Schools asked to help plug shortage of builders

Schools asked to help plug shortage of builders

Schools asked to help plug shortage of builders

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MORE must be done to encourage York teenagers to pursue a career in construction, a new report has said.

The industry faces a huge shortage of young employees and apprentices and is looking at ways to increase the intake of workers.

There is a particular need to encourage more girls and young women to pursue construction-related work, the report says.

York schools are said to have been slow to promote the industry in recent years, while the economic crisis has stalled development, but a City of York Council says more should be done now, given the number of major building projects in the pipeline in York.

The council wants 22,000 new homes to be built in the city over the next 15 years and major developments are planned at the former Terry's and British Sugar factories, and on part of the Nestlé site

A council task group has been reviewing the issue for the past eight months and its findings will go before the ruling cabinet next Tuesday.

The task group, made up of councillors Andy D'Agorne, Neil McIlveen and Joe Watt concluded that "all indications point to a boom in the construction industry in York" but said: "Employers acknowledged there was a major skills gap in York and they were struggling to recruit skilled staff. Many were committed to taking on apprentices but this training took two or three years and apprentices are not able to satisfy the immediate requirements."

The group said York had positive systems in place, through the YorCity Construction’s Skills Model, which created training opportunities.

The councillors said: "The construction industry needs to be better promoted in schools as a worthwhile career with a wide variety of jobs available from tradespeople to professional, technical and commercial and sales positions."

They added: "More needs to be done to attract women into the construction industry, not just in an office environment but at all levels."

Kevin Clancy, head of division for construction at York College said a new construction centre at York College’s main site will be opening in September 2015, providing easy access for school leavers, apprentices, adult learners and “for people wanting to up-skill or change their current skills to work within the construction industry”.

Mr Clancy said: “York College offers training for the CSCS green card - the card construction workers require to gain access on construction sites. This is very valuable for anyone wanting to enter the construction industry.”

With regards to the representation of women in the industry, Mr Clancy said that about three per cent of students are female of “approximately 500” studying construction crafts at the college.

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9:16am Tue 29 Apr 14

Woody G Mellor says...

Yes, honest builders who actually turn up and have respect for your home would be great! Yeah, I know, dream on.
Yes, honest builders who actually turn up and have respect for your home would be great! Yeah, I know, dream on. Woody G Mellor
  • Score: -20

9:18am Tue 29 Apr 14

eeoodares says...

Has Labours plan, under Blair, of sending everybody to University not paid off? Maybe in years to come all those Media-Studies courses will pay off.
Has Labours plan, under Blair, of sending everybody to University not paid off? Maybe in years to come all those Media-Studies courses will pay off. eeoodares
  • Score: -18

9:48am Tue 29 Apr 14

Garrowby Turnoff says...

eeoodares wrote:
Has Labours plan, under Blair, of sending everybody to University not paid off? Maybe in years to come all those Media-Studies courses will pay off.
Media students are finding work OK. Its a massive growth market with 500+ TV stations, thousands of radio stations, world standard film production for cinema and video production at every level of industry for use in social media, websites, advertising and training.

Don't knock the student training of workers in the biggest industry this country has ever seen! We need 'em and we want the best money can buy for everyone's sake!
[quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: Has Labours plan, under Blair, of sending everybody to University not paid off? Maybe in years to come all those Media-Studies courses will pay off.[/p][/quote]Media students are finding work OK. Its a massive growth market with 500+ TV stations, thousands of radio stations, world standard film production for cinema and video production at every level of industry for use in social media, websites, advertising and training. Don't knock the student training of workers in the biggest industry this country has ever seen! We need 'em and we want the best money can buy for everyone's sake! Garrowby Turnoff
  • Score: 11

10:09am Tue 29 Apr 14

Platform9 says...

Maybe the influx of cheap foreign labour has to take some of the blame for the lack of growth in the local building industry?

You reep what you sow.
Maybe the influx of cheap foreign labour has to take some of the blame for the lack of growth in the local building industry? You reep what you sow. Platform9
  • Score: -15

10:12am Tue 29 Apr 14

Woody G Mellor says...

Platform9 wrote:
Maybe the influx of cheap foreign labour has to take some of the blame for the lack of growth in the local building industry?

You reep what you sow.
How the hell do you work that out?????? Maybe if some of the lazy @rsed Brits got off there backsides, developers wouldn't have to hire hard working foreign labourers who actually appreciate having a job!
[quote][p][bold]Platform9[/bold] wrote: Maybe the influx of cheap foreign labour has to take some of the blame for the lack of growth in the local building industry? You reep what you sow.[/p][/quote]How the hell do you work that out?????? Maybe if some of the lazy @rsed Brits got off there backsides, developers wouldn't have to hire hard working foreign labourers who actually appreciate having a job! Woody G Mellor
  • Score: -13

10:12am Tue 29 Apr 14

Zetkin says...

It's schools' function to promote the building industry?

Doesn't the building industry have a role in this too? They're the ones who'll be profiting from it when all is said and done. They could make a start by stopping the practice of blacklisting workers who ask for decent safety standards on building sites.
It's schools' function to promote the building industry? Doesn't the building industry have a role in this too? They're the ones who'll be profiting from it when all is said and done. They could make a start by stopping the practice of blacklisting workers who ask for decent safety standards on building sites. Zetkin
  • Score: 15

10:13am Tue 29 Apr 14

smudge2 says...

Most builders turn up late,spend most of there time on mobile phones or going out for parts whilst looking at other jobs,have many tea breaks at the customers expense and start the job with a lot of tradesmen and near the end of the job only or two turn up.They then start asking for interim payments normally in cash and at the end of the job add a few extras on and then think they have done us a favour by doing the job for us.Proper old fashioned tradesmen that do a full days work would be great if the colleges can produce such an animal.!!
Most builders turn up late,spend most of there time on mobile phones or going out for parts whilst looking at other jobs,have many tea breaks at the customers expense and start the job with a lot of tradesmen and near the end of the job only or two turn up.They then start asking for interim payments normally in cash and at the end of the job add a few extras on and then think they have done us a favour by doing the job for us.Proper old fashioned tradesmen that do a full days work would be great if the colleges can produce such an animal.!! smudge2
  • Score: -17

10:39am Tue 29 Apr 14

Pete the Brickie says...

smudge2 wrote:
Most builders turn up late,spend most of there time on mobile phones or going out for parts whilst looking at other jobs,have many tea breaks at the customers expense and start the job with a lot of tradesmen and near the end of the job only or two turn up.They then start asking for interim payments normally in cash and at the end of the job add a few extras on and then think they have done us a favour by doing the job for us.Proper old fashioned tradesmen that do a full days work would be great if the colleges can produce such an animal.!!
I hate that sort of thing, usually an agreed fixed price and a programme with a penalty clause for non completion solves it though. Personally I don't think there is a shortage of school leavers joining the industry, but it is definitely getting harder and harder to make something of those that do.
[quote][p][bold]smudge2[/bold] wrote: Most builders turn up late,spend most of there time on mobile phones or going out for parts whilst looking at other jobs,have many tea breaks at the customers expense and start the job with a lot of tradesmen and near the end of the job only or two turn up.They then start asking for interim payments normally in cash and at the end of the job add a few extras on and then think they have done us a favour by doing the job for us.Proper old fashioned tradesmen that do a full days work would be great if the colleges can produce such an animal.!![/p][/quote]I hate that sort of thing, usually an agreed fixed price and a programme with a penalty clause for non completion solves it though. Personally I don't think there is a shortage of school leavers joining the industry, but it is definitely getting harder and harder to make something of those that do. Pete the Brickie
  • Score: 10

10:48am Tue 29 Apr 14

smudge2 says...

Pete the Brickie wrote:
smudge2 wrote:
Most builders turn up late,spend most of there time on mobile phones or going out for parts whilst looking at other jobs,have many tea breaks at the customers expense and start the job with a lot of tradesmen and near the end of the job only or two turn up.They then start asking for interim payments normally in cash and at the end of the job add a few extras on and then think they have done us a favour by doing the job for us.Proper old fashioned tradesmen that do a full days work would be great if the colleges can produce such an animal.!!
I hate that sort of thing, usually an agreed fixed price and a programme with a penalty clause for non completion solves it though. Personally I don't think there is a shortage of school leavers joining the industry, but it is definitely getting harder and harder to make something of those that do.
Hi Pete
Some builders give themselves a bad name but I am sure there are still good genuine ones about.As an industry man yourself you know what I mean as you will, at some stage have worked with some of these so called tradesmen who will have angered you as well.
[quote][p][bold]Pete the Brickie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smudge2[/bold] wrote: Most builders turn up late,spend most of there time on mobile phones or going out for parts whilst looking at other jobs,have many tea breaks at the customers expense and start the job with a lot of tradesmen and near the end of the job only or two turn up.They then start asking for interim payments normally in cash and at the end of the job add a few extras on and then think they have done us a favour by doing the job for us.Proper old fashioned tradesmen that do a full days work would be great if the colleges can produce such an animal.!![/p][/quote]I hate that sort of thing, usually an agreed fixed price and a programme with a penalty clause for non completion solves it though. Personally I don't think there is a shortage of school leavers joining the industry, but it is definitely getting harder and harder to make something of those that do.[/p][/quote]Hi Pete Some builders give themselves a bad name but I am sure there are still good genuine ones about.As an industry man yourself you know what I mean as you will, at some stage have worked with some of these so called tradesmen who will have angered you as well. smudge2
  • Score: -17

11:47am Tue 29 Apr 14

Platform9 says...

Woody G Mellor wrote:
Platform9 wrote: Maybe the influx of cheap foreign labour has to take some of the blame for the lack of growth in the local building industry? You reep what you sow.
How the hell do you work that out?????? Maybe if some of the lazy @rsed Brits got off there backsides, developers wouldn't have to hire hard working foreign labourers who actually appreciate having a job!
Hard working or Slave Labour? and cheap doesnt always mean the job is done right?
[quote][p][bold]Woody G Mellor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Platform9[/bold] wrote: Maybe the influx of cheap foreign labour has to take some of the blame for the lack of growth in the local building industry? You reep what you sow.[/p][/quote]How the hell do you work that out?????? Maybe if some of the lazy @rsed Brits got off there backsides, developers wouldn't have to hire hard working foreign labourers who actually appreciate having a job![/p][/quote]Hard working or Slave Labour? and cheap doesnt always mean the job is done right? Platform9
  • Score: 0

12:18pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Stevie D says...

Zetkin wrote:
It's schools' function to promote the building industry?

It's schools' function to prepare kids for life after school. That includes realistic careers advice, which in turn needs to bear in mind the availability of jobs locally and elsewhere. If the advice that schools are giving kids about careers doesn't take into account what industries they have a realistic chance of getting jobs in then it isn't serving its purpose.
[quote][bold]Zetkin[/bold] wrote: It's schools' function to promote the building industry?[/quote] It's schools' function to prepare kids for life after school. That includes realistic careers advice, which in turn needs to bear in mind the availability of jobs locally and elsewhere. If the advice that schools are giving kids about careers doesn't take into account what industries they have a realistic chance of getting jobs in then it isn't serving its purpose. Stevie D
  • Score: 8

12:28pm Tue 29 Apr 14

eeoodares says...

Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
eeoodares wrote:
Has Labours plan, under Blair, of sending everybody to University not paid off? Maybe in years to come all those Media-Studies courses will pay off.
Media students are finding work OK. Its a massive growth market with 500+ TV stations, thousands of radio stations, world standard film production for cinema and video production at every level of industry for use in social media, websites, advertising and training.

Don't knock the student training of workers in the biggest industry this country has ever seen! We need 'em and we want the best money can buy for everyone's sake!
Yeah, wait until you have a leaky pipe or storm damage!

I will knock the course because it is a waste of time. Generic courses like this are pointless, you do not need this qualification to work in Radio or TV, it does not help in high level web design and is not recognised in the industry. if you knew the slightest thing about the 'thousands' of radio stations you refer to you would understand my point!
[quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: Has Labours plan, under Blair, of sending everybody to University not paid off? Maybe in years to come all those Media-Studies courses will pay off.[/p][/quote]Media students are finding work OK. Its a massive growth market with 500+ TV stations, thousands of radio stations, world standard film production for cinema and video production at every level of industry for use in social media, websites, advertising and training. Don't knock the student training of workers in the biggest industry this country has ever seen! We need 'em and we want the best money can buy for everyone's sake![/p][/quote]Yeah, wait until you have a leaky pipe or storm damage! I will knock the course because it is a waste of time. Generic courses like this are pointless, you do not need this qualification to work in Radio or TV, it does not help in high level web design and is not recognised in the industry. if you knew the slightest thing about the 'thousands' of radio stations you refer to you would understand my point! eeoodares
  • Score: 3

12:51pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Garrowby Turnoff says...

eeoodares wrote:
Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
eeoodares wrote:
Has Labours plan, under Blair, of sending everybody to University not paid off? Maybe in years to come all those Media-Studies courses will pay off.
Media students are finding work OK. Its a massive growth market with 500+ TV stations, thousands of radio stations, world standard film production for cinema and video production at every level of industry for use in social media, websites, advertising and training.

Don't knock the student training of workers in the biggest industry this country has ever seen! We need 'em and we want the best money can buy for everyone's sake!
Yeah, wait until you have a leaky pipe or storm damage!

I will knock the course because it is a waste of time. Generic courses like this are pointless, you do not need this qualification to work in Radio or TV, it does not help in high level web design and is not recognised in the industry. if you knew the slightest thing about the 'thousands' of radio stations you refer to you would understand my point!
I've worked in media for over forty years and know exactly what I'm talking about.
[quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: Has Labours plan, under Blair, of sending everybody to University not paid off? Maybe in years to come all those Media-Studies courses will pay off.[/p][/quote]Media students are finding work OK. Its a massive growth market with 500+ TV stations, thousands of radio stations, world standard film production for cinema and video production at every level of industry for use in social media, websites, advertising and training. Don't knock the student training of workers in the biggest industry this country has ever seen! We need 'em and we want the best money can buy for everyone's sake![/p][/quote]Yeah, wait until you have a leaky pipe or storm damage! I will knock the course because it is a waste of time. Generic courses like this are pointless, you do not need this qualification to work in Radio or TV, it does not help in high level web design and is not recognised in the industry. if you knew the slightest thing about the 'thousands' of radio stations you refer to you would understand my point![/p][/quote]I've worked in media for over forty years and know exactly what I'm talking about. Garrowby Turnoff
  • Score: 0

12:59pm Tue 29 Apr 14

skateboarding simon says...

my school classed pupils that went to tech collage instead of 6 form as failures. being good at crafts or being technicaly minded wasn't classed as a messurable skill or intelegance level at my school, if you didn't understand shakespear you where thick.
being good at exams doesn't mean everything.
So many people come out of uni unimployable.
Schools need to learn uni isn't for everyone.
my school classed pupils that went to tech collage instead of 6 form as failures. being good at crafts or being technicaly minded wasn't classed as a messurable skill or intelegance level at my school, if you didn't understand shakespear you where thick. being good at exams doesn't mean everything. So many people come out of uni unimployable. Schools need to learn uni isn't for everyone. skateboarding simon
  • Score: 8

2:12pm Tue 29 Apr 14

PKH says...

eeoodares wrote:
Has Labours plan, under Blair, of sending everybody to University not paid off? Maybe in years to come all those Media-Studies courses will pay off.
Maggie got rid of apprenticeships, short term expedience was her mantra, not medium/long term planning for future needs.
[quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: Has Labours plan, under Blair, of sending everybody to University not paid off? Maybe in years to come all those Media-Studies courses will pay off.[/p][/quote]Maggie got rid of apprenticeships, short term expedience was her mantra, not medium/long term planning for future needs. PKH
  • Score: 2

3:17pm Tue 29 Apr 14

yorkiemum says...

smudge2 wrote:
Most builders turn up late,spend most of there time on mobile phones or going out for parts whilst looking at other jobs,have many tea breaks at the customers expense and start the job with a lot of tradesmen and near the end of the job only or two turn up.They then start asking for interim payments normally in cash and at the end of the job add a few extras on and then think they have done us a favour by doing the job for us.Proper old fashioned tradesmen that do a full days work would be great if the colleges can produce such an animal.!!
'Most' thats quite a generalisation smudge I will send my son round and show you what a hard worker looks like. Please don't tar everyone with the same brush just because you picked the wrong tradesman!!!
[quote][p][bold]smudge2[/bold] wrote: Most builders turn up late,spend most of there time on mobile phones or going out for parts whilst looking at other jobs,have many tea breaks at the customers expense and start the job with a lot of tradesmen and near the end of the job only or two turn up.They then start asking for interim payments normally in cash and at the end of the job add a few extras on and then think they have done us a favour by doing the job for us.Proper old fashioned tradesmen that do a full days work would be great if the colleges can produce such an animal.!![/p][/quote]'Most' thats quite a generalisation smudge I will send my son round and show you what a hard worker looks like. Please don't tar everyone with the same brush just because you picked the wrong tradesman!!! yorkiemum
  • Score: 1

4:37pm Tue 29 Apr 14

smudge2 says...

yorkiemum wrote:
smudge2 wrote:
Most builders turn up late,spend most of there time on mobile phones or going out for parts whilst looking at other jobs,have many tea breaks at the customers expense and start the job with a lot of tradesmen and near the end of the job only or two turn up.They then start asking for interim payments normally in cash and at the end of the job add a few extras on and then think they have done us a favour by doing the job for us.Proper old fashioned tradesmen that do a full days work would be great if the colleges can produce such an animal.!!
'Most' thats quite a generalisation smudge I will send my son round and show you what a hard worker looks like. Please don't tar everyone with the same brush just because you picked the wrong tradesman!!!
I was in the trade for over 30 years my self before retirement last year and have a little more knowledge than most people in the trade at the current time....trust me hard working building staff whilst still out there are very few and far between and I have employed many different types of tradesmen so it is definitely not a generalisation .If your son is a well qualified hard worker then he should have no problem getting a job
[quote][p][bold]yorkiemum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smudge2[/bold] wrote: Most builders turn up late,spend most of there time on mobile phones or going out for parts whilst looking at other jobs,have many tea breaks at the customers expense and start the job with a lot of tradesmen and near the end of the job only or two turn up.They then start asking for interim payments normally in cash and at the end of the job add a few extras on and then think they have done us a favour by doing the job for us.Proper old fashioned tradesmen that do a full days work would be great if the colleges can produce such an animal.!![/p][/quote]'Most' thats quite a generalisation smudge I will send my son round and show you what a hard worker looks like. Please don't tar everyone with the same brush just because you picked the wrong tradesman!!![/p][/quote]I was in the trade for over 30 years my self before retirement last year and have a little more knowledge than most people in the trade at the current time....trust me hard working building staff whilst still out there are very few and far between and I have employed many different types of tradesmen so it is definitely not a generalisation .If your son is a well qualified hard worker then he should have no problem getting a job smudge2
  • Score: -1

6:22pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Stan2Attention says...

Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
eeoodares wrote:
Has Labours plan, under Blair, of sending everybody to University not paid off? Maybe in years to come all those Media-Studies courses will pay off.
Media students are finding work OK. Its a massive growth market with 500+ TV stations, thousands of radio stations, world standard film production for cinema and video production at every level of industry for use in social media, websites, advertising and training.

Don't knock the student training of workers in the biggest industry this country has ever seen! We need 'em and we want the best money can buy for everyone's sake!
Six months after graduating, more than a quarter of media studies graduates work in cafes, bars and shops. Only fine arts graduates have a harder time getting jobs.
[quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: Has Labours plan, under Blair, of sending everybody to University not paid off? Maybe in years to come all those Media-Studies courses will pay off.[/p][/quote]Media students are finding work OK. Its a massive growth market with 500+ TV stations, thousands of radio stations, world standard film production for cinema and video production at every level of industry for use in social media, websites, advertising and training. Don't knock the student training of workers in the biggest industry this country has ever seen! We need 'em and we want the best money can buy for everyone's sake![/p][/quote]Six months after graduating, more than a quarter of media studies graduates work in cafes, bars and shops. Only fine arts graduates have a harder time getting jobs. Stan2Attention
  • Score: 2

8:03pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Back and Beyond says...

Reason for lack of apprentices? To much red tape and hoops to jump through to employs a school leaver.

Generally only large employers have the resources to give them an opportunity to enter a trade. The increased use of sub contractors by large companies also does not help!!
Reason for lack of apprentices? To much red tape and hoops to jump through to employs a school leaver. Generally only large employers have the resources to give them an opportunity to enter a trade. The increased use of sub contractors by large companies also does not help!! Back and Beyond
  • Score: 1

10:04pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Woody G Mellor says...

I see the sad little girl who adjusts the scores is active. Sad tw@t.
I see the sad little girl who adjusts the scores is active. Sad tw@t. Woody G Mellor
  • Score: -23

4:07am Wed 30 Apr 14

Magicman! says...

The shortage of skilled tradespeople (builders, woodworkers, electricians, brickies, plumbers, even for welders in some areas) has been around for at least 10 years - it's nothing new.
I was at York college doing an engineering course... the tutor for the electrical installation aspect of the course (the bit that provides a lead-in for training to become an electrician) never bothered to show up for the 2 years of the course... and towards the end of the course there was amassive push for going to university, with people even offering to actually send my details to universities...did anybody offer to send my details to employers offering apprenticeships? not in the slightest.

If this government really wants to address the skills shortage, it should be looking towards helping people in their late 20's to mid 30's who missed out in college because the opportunities weren't available then.
The shortage of skilled tradespeople (builders, woodworkers, electricians, brickies, plumbers, even for welders in some areas) has been around for at least 10 years - it's nothing new. I was at York college doing an engineering course... the tutor for the electrical installation aspect of the course (the bit that provides a lead-in for training to become an electrician) never bothered to show up for the 2 years of the course... and towards the end of the course there was amassive push for going to university, with people even offering to actually send my details to universities...did anybody offer to send my details to employers offering apprenticeships? not in the slightest. If this government really wants to address the skills shortage, it should be looking towards helping people in their late 20's to mid 30's who missed out in college because the opportunities weren't available then. Magicman!
  • Score: 2

10:43am Wed 30 Apr 14

again says...

skateboarding simon wrote:
my school classed pupils that went to tech collage instead of 6 form as failures. being good at crafts or being technicaly minded wasn't classed as a messurable skill or intelegance level at my school, if you didn't understand shakespear you where thick.
being good at exams doesn't mean everything.
So many people come out of uni unimployable.
Schools need to learn uni isn't for everyone.
Aye, some of these Uni types wouldn't know a hawk from a handsaw..
[quote][p][bold]skateboarding simon[/bold] wrote: my school classed pupils that went to tech collage instead of 6 form as failures. being good at crafts or being technicaly minded wasn't classed as a messurable skill or intelegance level at my school, if you didn't understand shakespear you where thick. being good at exams doesn't mean everything. So many people come out of uni unimployable. Schools need to learn uni isn't for everyone.[/p][/quote]Aye, some of these Uni types wouldn't know a hawk from a handsaw.. again
  • Score: 0

7:14pm Wed 30 Apr 14

eeoodares says...

PKH wrote:
eeoodares wrote:
Has Labours plan, under Blair, of sending everybody to University not paid off? Maybe in years to come all those Media-Studies courses will pay off.
Maggie got rid of apprenticeships, short term expedience was her mantra, not medium/long term planning for future needs.
Hahahahaha, still blaming Maggie.....hahahahah
a move on kid, we have had socialists wrecking this country before and after her.
[quote][p][bold]PKH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: Has Labours plan, under Blair, of sending everybody to University not paid off? Maybe in years to come all those Media-Studies courses will pay off.[/p][/quote]Maggie got rid of apprenticeships, short term expedience was her mantra, not medium/long term planning for future needs.[/p][/quote]Hahahahaha, still blaming Maggie.....hahahahah a move on kid, we have had socialists wrecking this country before and after her. eeoodares
  • Score: -1

7:20pm Wed 30 Apr 14

eeoodares says...

Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
eeoodares wrote:
Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
eeoodares wrote:
Has Labours plan, under Blair, of sending everybody to University not paid off? Maybe in years to come all those Media-Studies courses will pay off.
Media students are finding work OK. Its a massive growth market with 500+ TV stations, thousands of radio stations, world standard film production for cinema and video production at every level of industry for use in social media, websites, advertising and training.

Don't knock the student training of workers in the biggest industry this country has ever seen! We need 'em and we want the best money can buy for everyone's sake!
Yeah, wait until you have a leaky pipe or storm damage!

I will knock the course because it is a waste of time. Generic courses like this are pointless, you do not need this qualification to work in Radio or TV, it does not help in high level web design and is not recognised in the industry. if you knew the slightest thing about the 'thousands' of radio stations you refer to you would understand my point!
I've worked in media for over forty years and know exactly what I'm talking about.
Then you will know that the 'thousands' of radio stations are broadcast online from peoples bedrooms and have more people involved with running them than actually listening (i.e. two people). They create no revenue, they create no interest and you do not need a media studies degree to set up and operate them.
As far as it being the biggest industry this country has ever seen...I would recommend that you take more water with it in future, then pick up a book!
[quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: Has Labours plan, under Blair, of sending everybody to University not paid off? Maybe in years to come all those Media-Studies courses will pay off.[/p][/quote]Media students are finding work OK. Its a massive growth market with 500+ TV stations, thousands of radio stations, world standard film production for cinema and video production at every level of industry for use in social media, websites, advertising and training. Don't knock the student training of workers in the biggest industry this country has ever seen! We need 'em and we want the best money can buy for everyone's sake![/p][/quote]Yeah, wait until you have a leaky pipe or storm damage! I will knock the course because it is a waste of time. Generic courses like this are pointless, you do not need this qualification to work in Radio or TV, it does not help in high level web design and is not recognised in the industry. if you knew the slightest thing about the 'thousands' of radio stations you refer to you would understand my point![/p][/quote]I've worked in media for over forty years and know exactly what I'm talking about.[/p][/quote]Then you will know that the 'thousands' of radio stations are broadcast online from peoples bedrooms and have more people involved with running them than actually listening (i.e. two people). They create no revenue, they create no interest and you do not need a media studies degree to set up and operate them. As far as it being the biggest industry this country has ever seen...I would recommend that you take more water with it in future, then pick up a book! eeoodares
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11:20pm Wed 30 Apr 14

PKH says...

eeoodares wrote:
PKH wrote:
eeoodares wrote:
Has Labours plan, under Blair, of sending everybody to University not paid off? Maybe in years to come all those Media-Studies courses will pay off.
Maggie got rid of apprenticeships, short term expedience was her mantra, not medium/long term planning for future needs.
Hahahahaha, still blaming Maggie.....hahahahah

a move on kid, we have had socialists wrecking this country before and after her.
Socialists after? one thing Blair was not was a Socialist!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PKH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: Has Labours plan, under Blair, of sending everybody to University not paid off? Maybe in years to come all those Media-Studies courses will pay off.[/p][/quote]Maggie got rid of apprenticeships, short term expedience was her mantra, not medium/long term planning for future needs.[/p][/quote]Hahahahaha, still blaming Maggie.....hahahahah a move on kid, we have had socialists wrecking this country before and after her.[/p][/quote]Socialists after? one thing Blair was not was a Socialist!!!!! PKH
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