Residents claim Derwenthorpe lorries are making their lives a nightmare

Residents claim Derwenthorpe lorries are making their lives a nightmare

Kim Jackson with the badly affected road on Fifth Avenue which she claims has been damaged due to lorries going to and from the Derwenthorpe site.

A section of road which has been dug up prior to repair.

A lorry on Fifth Avenue

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ANGRY residents claim heavy lorries trundling in and out of a York housing development are making their lives a nightmare.

Householders in Fifth Avenue say tipper trucks and diggers from the Derwenthorpe site are causing deep potholes and cracks in the road surface, and also damaging kerbs and verges.

They also believe the vibrations from lorries passing over bumps and potholes are causing cracks in their homes, and say they are worried about the safety of children going to and from a local primary school.

One resident, Lesley-Anne East, said: "The road is absolutely atrocious. One of the potholes is so bad that I'm worried someone will ride into it on their bike or moped and be thrown off. Someone has parked his car over one of the holes at night to make sure a cyclist doesn't go in it."

She said residents were also sometimes unable to get out of their drives because of lorries parking up or queuing to get into Derwenthorpe.

Another resident, Kim Jackson, said:" It's horrendous. There's constant noise from 8am until sometimes 7pm, and on Saturday mornings, when it often goes on into the afternoon. They damage the kerbs and the grass verge with their lorry wheels."

Osbaldwick councillor Mark Warters claimed that all the problems caused by construction traffic going through Osbaldwick and Fifth Avenue could have been avoided had a special access road been built for the lorries across fields from Osbaldwick. However, this had been turned down by the council to protect the land from development, even though housing was now being proposed there.

A spokesman for the Joseph Rowntree Housing Trust, which is behind the 500-home Derwenthorpe scheme, said it had not received any complaints relating to the condition of Fifth Avenue or safety concerns. However, it was aware that the developer David Wilson Homes was currently undertaking some repair work to the affected areas.

City of York Council, said the government’s inspector had agreed at a public inquiry in 2007, prior to development of the site, that Fifth Avenue was appropriate to use as the main route for access for construction traffic.

" Any damage to the highway as a result of the heavy construction vehicles will not come out of the public purse and all repairs will be paid for by the developer," added a spokeswoman.

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11:33am Mon 28 Apr 14

BL2 says...

" Any damage to the highway as a result of the heavy construction vehicles will not come out of the public purse and all repairs will be paid for by the developer," added a spokeswoman.

That is not the point obviously! It should not have been allowed in the first place and the damage would then not have happened.
[quote]" Any damage to the highway as a result of the heavy construction vehicles will not come out of the public purse and all repairs will be paid for by the developer," added a spokeswoman. [/quote] That is not the point obviously! It should not have been allowed in the first place and the damage would then not have happened. BL2
  • Score: 0

12:03pm Mon 28 Apr 14

matroom says...

Nimby's. A few of them towards the end of fifth ave were paid alot of money by the developers if i remember rightly.
Nimby's. A few of them towards the end of fifth ave were paid alot of money by the developers if i remember rightly. matroom
  • Score: 31

12:05pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Rich Picking says...

Hang about !! I seem to recall that the owners of the houses on that stretch of road were given some sort of compensation payment for the envisaged disruption. Agree safety is most important but if payment was taken then you cannot object to some works traffic using the road. I am sure that the road will be made safe and verges restored (if damaged by the lorries and not owners cars) once work is completed.
Hang about !! I seem to recall that the owners of the houses on that stretch of road were given some sort of compensation payment for the envisaged disruption. Agree safety is most important but if payment was taken then you cannot object to some works traffic using the road. I am sure that the road will be made safe and verges restored (if damaged by the lorries and not owners cars) once work is completed. Rich Picking
  • Score: 45

12:12pm Mon 28 Apr 14

oldgoat says...

Don't understand the problem with having a temporary access across the fields?
Surely that would be less intrusive and a lot easier/cheaper to repair afterwards...
Don't understand the problem with having a temporary access across the fields? Surely that would be less intrusive and a lot easier/cheaper to repair afterwards... oldgoat
  • Score: 6

12:43pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Fulfordian says...

Getting compensation for disturbance and noise pollution is one thing - safety issues arising out of the road's use by the developers is another. Any damage viewed as a safety issue should be temporarily repaired immediately. The developers have a duty of care regardless.
Getting compensation for disturbance and noise pollution is one thing - safety issues arising out of the road's use by the developers is another. Any damage viewed as a safety issue should be temporarily repaired immediately. The developers have a duty of care regardless. Fulfordian
  • Score: -6

12:46pm Mon 28 Apr 14

cresta says...

i think the house owners need to stop moaning and let them finish the housing thats badly needed in york. it goes without saying that the developer will fix the road surfaces once the work has been completed. i think the residants need to stop moaning and go do some work!
i think the house owners need to stop moaning and let them finish the housing thats badly needed in york. it goes without saying that the developer will fix the road surfaces once the work has been completed. i think the residants need to stop moaning and go do some work! cresta
  • Score: 7

12:50pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Bailed Out says...

oldgoat wrote:
Don't understand the problem with having a temporary access across the fields?
Surely that would be less intrusive and a lot easier/cheaper to repair afterwards...
That would have been the sensible way to go given the amount of heavy plant, equipment and materials to be used. However the obvious very seldom works in York.
[quote][p][bold]oldgoat[/bold] wrote: Don't understand the problem with having a temporary access across the fields? Surely that would be less intrusive and a lot easier/cheaper to repair afterwards...[/p][/quote]That would have been the sensible way to go given the amount of heavy plant, equipment and materials to be used. However the obvious very seldom works in York. Bailed Out
  • Score: 12

12:56pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Sugarpop says...

But houses in neighbouring streets didn't get anything and we still have the disruption when we have to use Fifth Ave. It's muddy, slippery if it rains, busy and in very poor repair. I also worry about the St Aelreds kids.
But houses in neighbouring streets didn't get anything and we still have the disruption when we have to use Fifth Ave. It's muddy, slippery if it rains, busy and in very poor repair. I also worry about the St Aelreds kids. Sugarpop
  • Score: -7

1:08pm Mon 28 Apr 14

matroom says...

Sugarpop wrote:
But houses in neighbouring streets didn't get anything and we still have the disruption when we have to use Fifth Ave. It's muddy, slippery if it rains, busy and in very poor repair. I also worry about the St Aelreds kids.
Use another road then, and stop moaning !!??
[quote][p][bold]Sugarpop[/bold] wrote: But houses in neighbouring streets didn't get anything and we still have the disruption when we have to use Fifth Ave. It's muddy, slippery if it rains, busy and in very poor repair. I also worry about the St Aelreds kids.[/p][/quote]Use another road then, and stop moaning !!?? matroom
  • Score: -3

1:37pm Mon 28 Apr 14

YorkPatrol says...

matroom wrote:
Sugarpop wrote: But houses in neighbouring streets didn't get anything and we still have the disruption when we have to use Fifth Ave. It's muddy, slippery if it rains, busy and in very poor repair. I also worry about the St Aelreds kids.
Use another road then, and stop moaning !!??
Too right... and can I ask, why on earth are the "kids" in danger?

That's "kids" as in Children rather than baby goats
[quote][p][bold]matroom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sugarpop[/bold] wrote: But houses in neighbouring streets didn't get anything and we still have the disruption when we have to use Fifth Ave. It's muddy, slippery if it rains, busy and in very poor repair. I also worry about the St Aelreds kids.[/p][/quote]Use another road then, and stop moaning !!??[/p][/quote]Too right... and can I ask, why on earth are the "kids" in danger? That's "kids" as in Children rather than baby goats YorkPatrol
  • Score: -11

2:23pm Mon 28 Apr 14

cresta says...

my guess is they just feel left out and want some compo............
my guess is they just feel left out and want some compo............ cresta
  • Score: 10

2:49pm Mon 28 Apr 14

matroom says...

Sugarpop wrote:
But houses in neighbouring streets didn't get anything and we still have the disruption when we have to use Fifth Ave. It's muddy, slippery if it rains, busy and in very poor repair. I also worry about the St Aelreds kids.
I too worry about the kids that go to that school, but for different reasons, ive seen the parents !!
[quote][p][bold]Sugarpop[/bold] wrote: But houses in neighbouring streets didn't get anything and we still have the disruption when we have to use Fifth Ave. It's muddy, slippery if it rains, busy and in very poor repair. I also worry about the St Aelreds kids.[/p][/quote]I too worry about the kids that go to that school, but for different reasons, ive seen the parents !! matroom
  • Score: 7

3:28pm Mon 28 Apr 14

YorkPatrol says...

matroom wrote:
Sugarpop wrote: But houses in neighbouring streets didn't get anything and we still have the disruption when we have to use Fifth Ave. It's muddy, slippery if it rains, busy and in very poor repair. I also worry about the St Aelreds kids.
I too worry about the kids that go to that school, but for different reasons, ive seen the parents !!
Are you implying they are all interbred smack heads, good for nothing more than Jeremy Kyle fodder?
[quote][p][bold]matroom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sugarpop[/bold] wrote: But houses in neighbouring streets didn't get anything and we still have the disruption when we have to use Fifth Ave. It's muddy, slippery if it rains, busy and in very poor repair. I also worry about the St Aelreds kids.[/p][/quote]I too worry about the kids that go to that school, but for different reasons, ive seen the parents !![/p][/quote]Are you implying they are all interbred smack heads, good for nothing more than Jeremy Kyle fodder? YorkPatrol
  • Score: 11

3:46pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Sign 'O' The Times says...

I'm just waiting for the residents of Ennerdale Ave./ Malham Grove to join in. The road and footpath down there have been in an appalling state for years.
I'm just waiting for the residents of Ennerdale Ave./ Malham Grove to join in. The road and footpath down there have been in an appalling state for years. Sign 'O' The Times
  • Score: 1

4:06pm Mon 28 Apr 14

spottycow says...

THE council and david wilsn homes dont give a TOSS
THE council and david wilsn homes dont give a TOSS spottycow
  • Score: 6

4:15pm Mon 28 Apr 14

spare14 says...

I am a resident of fifth avenue living opposite them cracks in the photos,
we did not receive any type of income from the developers.
there where only 10 houses and the school that received any compensation
this damage is outside my house not down the end there working on.
my car is moody every single day even when parked up down the drive ?!?!
not been able to even reverse my car from my drive to get to work because of the build up of lorry's and work cars queued outside our home.

we realise new homes need to be built. but we are just asking for consideration for the residents that already live here.

we do work,we do have a life but would like some peace.
I am a resident of fifth avenue living opposite them cracks in the photos, we did not receive any type of income from the developers. there where only 10 houses and the school that received any compensation this damage is outside my house not down the end there working on. my car is moody every single day even when parked up down the drive ?!?! not been able to even reverse my car from my drive to get to work because of the build up of lorry's and work cars queued outside our home. we realise new homes need to be built. but we are just asking for consideration for the residents that already live here. we do work,we do have a life but would like some peace. spare14
  • Score: 7

5:06pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Woody G Mellor says...

Bailed Out wrote:
oldgoat wrote:
Don't understand the problem with having a temporary access across the fields?
Surely that would be less intrusive and a lot easier/cheaper to repair afterwards...
That would have been the sensible way to go given the amount of heavy plant, equipment and materials to be used. However the obvious very seldom works in York.
Heavy plant equipment crossing fields, i.e. soft ground?? Errr, yeah right. One heavy downpour and.................
think about it.
[quote][p][bold]Bailed Out[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oldgoat[/bold] wrote: Don't understand the problem with having a temporary access across the fields? Surely that would be less intrusive and a lot easier/cheaper to repair afterwards...[/p][/quote]That would have been the sensible way to go given the amount of heavy plant, equipment and materials to be used. However the obvious very seldom works in York.[/p][/quote]Heavy plant equipment crossing fields, i.e. soft ground?? Errr, yeah right. One heavy downpour and................. think about it. Woody G Mellor
  • Score: -9

8:17pm Mon 28 Apr 14

matroom says...

spare14 wrote:
I am a resident of fifth avenue living opposite them cracks in the photos,
we did not receive any type of income from the developers.
there where only 10 houses and the school that received any compensation
this damage is outside my house not down the end there working on.
my car is moody every single day even when parked up down the drive ?!?!
not been able to even reverse my car from my drive to get to work because of the build up of lorry's and work cars queued outside our home.

we realise new homes need to be built. but we are just asking for consideration for the residents that already live here.

we do work,we do have a life but would like some peace.
Your cars "moody" every morning. Love it.
[quote][p][bold]spare14[/bold] wrote: I am a resident of fifth avenue living opposite them cracks in the photos, we did not receive any type of income from the developers. there where only 10 houses and the school that received any compensation this damage is outside my house not down the end there working on. my car is moody every single day even when parked up down the drive ?!?! not been able to even reverse my car from my drive to get to work because of the build up of lorry's and work cars queued outside our home. we realise new homes need to be built. but we are just asking for consideration for the residents that already live here. we do work,we do have a life but would like some peace.[/p][/quote]Your cars "moody" every morning. Love it. matroom
  • Score: 10

9:40pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Silver says...

So those concrete slabs will have a large bit cut out and filled with tarmac as a cheap fix. Will they be using the same repair method that the council tried for the roads that was cheap but crap and discontinued by the council. But it won't be the council fixing it so it'll be a cheap fix I bet
So those concrete slabs will have a large bit cut out and filled with tarmac as a cheap fix. Will they be using the same repair method that the council tried for the roads that was cheap but crap and discontinued by the council. But it won't be the council fixing it so it'll be a cheap fix I bet Silver
  • Score: -8

10:42pm Mon 28 Apr 14

pedalling paul says...

matroom wrote:
spare14 wrote:
I am a resident of fifth avenue living opposite them cracks in the photos,
we did not receive any type of income from the developers.
there where only 10 houses and the school that received any compensation
this damage is outside my house not down the end there working on.
my car is moody every single day even when parked up down the drive ?!?!
not been able to even reverse my car from my drive to get to work because of the build up of lorry's and work cars queued outside our home.

we realise new homes need to be built. but we are just asking for consideration for the residents that already live here.

we do work,we do have a life but would like some peace.
Your cars "moody" every morning. Love it.
Presumably that should be "muddy."
[quote][p][bold]matroom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spare14[/bold] wrote: I am a resident of fifth avenue living opposite them cracks in the photos, we did not receive any type of income from the developers. there where only 10 houses and the school that received any compensation this damage is outside my house not down the end there working on. my car is moody every single day even when parked up down the drive ?!?! not been able to even reverse my car from my drive to get to work because of the build up of lorry's and work cars queued outside our home. we realise new homes need to be built. but we are just asking for consideration for the residents that already live here. we do work,we do have a life but would like some peace.[/p][/quote]Your cars "moody" every morning. Love it.[/p][/quote]Presumably that should be "muddy." pedalling paul
  • Score: 23

11:23pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Happy Chappie says...

Here we go again, the ruination of our country NIMBYs
Here we go again, the ruination of our country NIMBYs Happy Chappie
  • Score: 23

12:52am Tue 29 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

Woody G Mellor wrote:
Bailed Out wrote:
oldgoat wrote: Don't understand the problem with having a temporary access across the fields? Surely that would be less intrusive and a lot easier/cheaper to repair afterwards...
That would have been the sensible way to go given the amount of heavy plant, equipment and materials to be used. However the obvious very seldom works in York.
Heavy plant equipment crossing fields, i.e. soft ground?? Errr, yeah right. One heavy downpour and................. think about it.
Solution:

Form temporary access road during construction phase, and reinstate on completion.
[quote][p][bold]Woody G Mellor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bailed Out[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oldgoat[/bold] wrote: Don't understand the problem with having a temporary access across the fields? Surely that would be less intrusive and a lot easier/cheaper to repair afterwards...[/p][/quote]That would have been the sensible way to go given the amount of heavy plant, equipment and materials to be used. However the obvious very seldom works in York.[/p][/quote]Heavy plant equipment crossing fields, i.e. soft ground?? Errr, yeah right. One heavy downpour and................. think about it.[/p][/quote]Solution: Form temporary access road during construction phase, and reinstate on completion. Badgers Drift
  • Score: 4

12:53am Tue 29 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

spottycow wrote:
THE council and david wilsn homes dont give a TOSS
Add to that JRHT !
[quote][p][bold]spottycow[/bold] wrote: THE council and david wilsn homes dont give a TOSS[/p][/quote]Add to that JRHT ! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -18

12:56am Tue 29 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

I see the council and their JRF mates have got their commenting lobby 'levelling things up' again. LOL
I see the council and their JRF mates have got their commenting lobby 'levelling things up' again. LOL Badgers Drift
  • Score: 19

1:18am Tue 29 Apr 14

Magicman! says...

I live nowhere near there, but use that road when I'm on the bike so as to avoid Tang Hall Lane - and the road condition is appauling. Mud everywhere, bits of aggregates and road material all over the place, deep cracks and big potholes. It doesn't help that the road itself was built out of preformed concrete slabs - because the gaps between the slabs can create a height difference which then increases the force a lorry wheel may hit the slab with, which then eventually forces the slab down further into the ground, and further, until bits break off which is what has happened.

The house building is essential and I have nothing against that, but I do think a teporary road across the nearby fields would have been a better way to go. When the university's Heslington East was being built, the construstion lorries there went along a specially built road which was made of sizeable concrete oblongs with spikes underneath which were essentially hammered into the ground - and then pulled back up after the works were finished.

If it is genuine, then the motorist who parks their car over a big pothole so cyclists don't fall in it at night deserves another mention - simply because they are showing a genuine consideration for others, just a shame there aren't more people like them really.
I live nowhere near there, but use that road when I'm on the bike so as to avoid Tang Hall Lane - and the road condition is appauling. Mud everywhere, bits of aggregates and road material all over the place, deep cracks and big potholes. It doesn't help that the road itself was built out of preformed concrete slabs - because the gaps between the slabs can create a height difference which then increases the force a lorry wheel may hit the slab with, which then eventually forces the slab down further into the ground, and further, until bits break off which is what has happened. The house building is essential and I have nothing against that, but I do think a teporary road across the nearby fields would have been a better way to go. When the university's Heslington East was being built, the construstion lorries there went along a specially built road which was made of sizeable concrete oblongs with spikes underneath which were essentially hammered into the ground - and then pulled back up after the works were finished. If it is genuine, then the motorist who parks their car over a big pothole so cyclists don't fall in it at night deserves another mention - simply because they are showing a genuine consideration for others, just a shame there aren't more people like them really. Magicman!
  • Score: 3

2:15am Tue 29 Apr 14

matroom says...

pedalling paul wrote:
matroom wrote:
spare14 wrote:
I am a resident of fifth avenue living opposite them cracks in the photos,
we did not receive any type of income from the developers.
there where only 10 houses and the school that received any compensation
this damage is outside my house not down the end there working on.
my car is moody every single day even when parked up down the drive ?!?!
not been able to even reverse my car from my drive to get to work because of the build up of lorry's and work cars queued outside our home.

we realise new homes need to be built. but we are just asking for consideration for the residents that already live here.

we do work,we do have a life but would like some peace.
Your cars "moody" every morning. Love it.
Presumably that should be "muddy."
No $hit sherlock ??!!!!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]matroom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spare14[/bold] wrote: I am a resident of fifth avenue living opposite them cracks in the photos, we did not receive any type of income from the developers. there where only 10 houses and the school that received any compensation this damage is outside my house not down the end there working on. my car is moody every single day even when parked up down the drive ?!?! not been able to even reverse my car from my drive to get to work because of the build up of lorry's and work cars queued outside our home. we realise new homes need to be built. but we are just asking for consideration for the residents that already live here. we do work,we do have a life but would like some peace.[/p][/quote]Your cars "moody" every morning. Love it.[/p][/quote]Presumably that should be "muddy."[/p][/quote]No $hit sherlock ??!!!! matroom
  • Score: -16

7:43am Tue 29 Apr 14

sniper 9964 says...

No doubt class II lgv tippers using it as a personall race track.
No doubt class II lgv tippers using it as a personall race track. sniper 9964
  • Score: -2

7:44am Tue 29 Apr 14

Bailed Out says...

Woody G Mellor wrote:
Bailed Out wrote:
oldgoat wrote:
Don't understand the problem with having a temporary access across the fields?
Surely that would be less intrusive and a lot easier/cheaper to repair afterwards...
That would have been the sensible way to go given the amount of heavy plant, equipment and materials to be used. However the obvious very seldom works in York.
Heavy plant equipment crossing fields, i.e. soft ground?? Errr, yeah right. One heavy downpour and.................

think about it.
Temporary roads for construction equipment are a regular occurrence on many construction projects. Recently miles were constructed over farmland for rail repairs on the south coast and only for a matter of weeks. Not rocket science.
[quote][p][bold]Woody G Mellor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bailed Out[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oldgoat[/bold] wrote: Don't understand the problem with having a temporary access across the fields? Surely that would be less intrusive and a lot easier/cheaper to repair afterwards...[/p][/quote]That would have been the sensible way to go given the amount of heavy plant, equipment and materials to be used. However the obvious very seldom works in York.[/p][/quote]Heavy plant equipment crossing fields, i.e. soft ground?? Errr, yeah right. One heavy downpour and................. think about it.[/p][/quote]Temporary roads for construction equipment are a regular occurrence on many construction projects. Recently miles were constructed over farmland for rail repairs on the south coast and only for a matter of weeks. Not rocket science. Bailed Out
  • Score: 3

7:22pm Tue 29 Apr 14

chav11 says...

Compensation Compensation compensation . that's all this is about , because others got it nearby , the others residents are now making a fuss about a crack in the road and a bit of noise . it will get repaired eventually , how do you build new homes without disruption .? GET A LIFE ,
Compensation Compensation compensation . that's all this is about , because others got it nearby , the others residents are now making a fuss about a crack in the road and a bit of noise . it will get repaired eventually , how do you build new homes without disruption .? GET A LIFE , chav11
  • Score: 1

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