Baedeker Raids to be remembered

Baedeker Raids to be remembered

Baedeker Raids to be remembered

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A HAWKER Hurricane aircraft will be on display in York city centre today, to mark the 72nd anniversary of the Baedeker Raids which destroyed buildings around the city.

The aeroplane will be on display in St Sampson's Square from the Yorkshire Air Museum, along with an accompanying exhibition and re-enactors throughout the week, sharing 'memories' of the so-called York Blitz.

The Baedeker Raids struck York at 2.36am on Tuesday, April 29, 1942, when 40 German Luftwaffe bombers bombed York for more than 90 minutes, with 84 tonnes of incendiary and high explosive bombs hitting the city, largely destroying the medieval Guildhall, St. Martin le Grande Church in Coney Street, Rowntree's North Street Factory, the railway station, and a King’s Cross-bound train carrying soldiers and other service personnel amongst its passengers.

A total of 95 people died, 212 were injured and 579 homes destroyed and in all, about half the homes in the city damaged.

A French Fighter pilot, 23-year-old Yves Mahé, of 253 Squadron RAF Fighter Command, took to the fight in his Hawker Hurricane and destroyed a Heinkel H III bomber, and a JU88.

Ian Reed, Museum director Commented: “It is very fitting that as the City prepares for the Tour de France Grand Départ, our Hawker Hurricane is making this now annual pilgrimage into York to celebrate the day a French airman saved York from what could have been catastrophic damage had the raid continued for much longer. This year, that airman, Yves Mahé will be fully honoured with a plaque to be erected in his memory.”

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10:37am Mon 28 Apr 14

Fat Harry says...

St Martin le Grand, not Grande.
St Martin le Grand, not Grande. Fat Harry
  • Score: 7

10:38am Mon 28 Apr 14

andy fowler says...

The council have destroyed more of York than Hitler, the vikings and any other invader ever did.
The council have destroyed more of York than Hitler, the vikings and any other invader ever did. andy fowler
  • Score: -13

10:44am Mon 28 Apr 14

Grumpy Old Man says...

What raids? There was just one raid on York that could be classed as a "Baedeker" raid. The Germans launched no such raids based on the Baedeker guide books. It was a bit of nonsense circulated by Churchill's black propaganda department. York was a legitimate target - a major railway junction much used to move men and materials. Look a a pattern of the bomb craters and it's obvious the station was their target. The idea, at a time when the tide was starting to turn against the Germans, that they woukl risk valuable planes and even more valuable crews to attack a church is just nonsense and it's about time the Press stopped blindly trotting out the same phrase ad nauseum.
What raids? There was just one raid on York that could be classed as a "Baedeker" raid. The Germans launched no such raids based on the Baedeker guide books. It was a bit of nonsense circulated by Churchill's black propaganda department. York was a legitimate target - a major railway junction much used to move men and materials. Look a a pattern of the bomb craters and it's obvious the station was their target. The idea, at a time when the tide was starting to turn against the Germans, that they woukl risk valuable planes and even more valuable crews to attack a church is just nonsense and it's about time the Press stopped blindly trotting out the same phrase ad nauseum. Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 2

12:09pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Firedrake says...

Moreover, there is good evidence to suggest that the Minster itself was deliberately avoided, because the white limestone showed up so well in the moonlight that it provided a useful "waymark" for German aircrew heading for the Indusrtrial West Riding and beyond.
Moreover, there is good evidence to suggest that the Minster itself was deliberately avoided, because the white limestone showed up so well in the moonlight that it provided a useful "waymark" for German aircrew heading for the Indusrtrial West Riding and beyond. Firedrake
  • Score: 3

12:28pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Garrowby Turnoff says...

What a bunch of unjustified ingrates this story has attracted. Personally, I give thanks to whomever saved our bacon in a desperate and dangerous time for the UK.
What a bunch of unjustified ingrates this story has attracted. Personally, I give thanks to whomever saved our bacon in a desperate and dangerous time for the UK. Garrowby Turnoff
  • Score: 8

12:45pm Mon 28 Apr 14

again says...

Grumpy Old Man wrote:
What raids? There was just one raid on York that could be classed as a "Baedeker" raid. The Germans launched no such raids based on the Baedeker guide books. It was a bit of nonsense circulated by Churchill's black propaganda department. York was a legitimate target - a major railway junction much used to move men and materials. Look a a pattern of the bomb craters and it's obvious the station was their target. The idea, at a time when the tide was starting to turn against the Germans, that they woukl risk valuable planes and even more valuable crews to attack a church is just nonsense and it's about time the Press stopped blindly trotting out the same phrase ad nauseum.
If you produced the slightest evidence for your personal belief then it it might be worth consideration. As it is, your opinion appears to be mischievous nonsense typed by idle hands.
[quote][p][bold]Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: What raids? There was just one raid on York that could be classed as a "Baedeker" raid. The Germans launched no such raids based on the Baedeker guide books. It was a bit of nonsense circulated by Churchill's black propaganda department. York was a legitimate target - a major railway junction much used to move men and materials. Look a a pattern of the bomb craters and it's obvious the station was their target. The idea, at a time when the tide was starting to turn against the Germans, that they woukl risk valuable planes and even more valuable crews to attack a church is just nonsense and it's about time the Press stopped blindly trotting out the same phrase ad nauseum.[/p][/quote]If you produced the slightest evidence for your personal belief then it it might be worth consideration. As it is, your opinion appears to be mischievous nonsense typed by idle hands. again
  • Score: 5

1:59pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Caecilius says...

again wrote:
Grumpy Old Man wrote:
What raids? There was just one raid on York that could be classed as a "Baedeker" raid. The Germans launched no such raids based on the Baedeker guide books. It was a bit of nonsense circulated by Churchill's black propaganda department. York was a legitimate target - a major railway junction much used to move men and materials. Look a a pattern of the bomb craters and it's obvious the station was their target. The idea, at a time when the tide was starting to turn against the Germans, that they woukl risk valuable planes and even more valuable crews to attack a church is just nonsense and it's about time the Press stopped blindly trotting out the same phrase ad nauseum.
If you produced the slightest evidence for your personal belief then it it might be worth consideration. As it is, your opinion appears to be mischievous nonsense typed by idle hands.
From "Air War over East Yorkshire in WW2", by Paul Bright. "Had the raid really been a terror attack? An analysis of where the bombs had fallen and the interrogation of captured German airmen suggest that it was no such thing. Also, a Luftwaffe briefing photograph for the raid clearly shows that the principal target area was the railway station/engine sheds/marshalling yards complex. Other targets were the gasworks and RAF York. All three were legitimate military targets. Damage to residential property and civilian casualties would appear to have been the result of poor work by the German bomb aimers rather than a deliberate attempt to terrorise and destroy the civilian population of the city."

Also, WO Mahe did indeed destroy a Ju 88 but not the He 111 - he attacked it but it got away. I've a feeling this was pointed out the last time the Press ran this story. Two other RAF night fighter pilots did score kills that night, though.
[quote][p][bold]again[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: What raids? There was just one raid on York that could be classed as a "Baedeker" raid. The Germans launched no such raids based on the Baedeker guide books. It was a bit of nonsense circulated by Churchill's black propaganda department. York was a legitimate target - a major railway junction much used to move men and materials. Look a a pattern of the bomb craters and it's obvious the station was their target. The idea, at a time when the tide was starting to turn against the Germans, that they woukl risk valuable planes and even more valuable crews to attack a church is just nonsense and it's about time the Press stopped blindly trotting out the same phrase ad nauseum.[/p][/quote]If you produced the slightest evidence for your personal belief then it it might be worth consideration. As it is, your opinion appears to be mischievous nonsense typed by idle hands.[/p][/quote]From "Air War over East Yorkshire in WW2", by Paul Bright. "Had the raid really been a terror attack? An analysis of where the bombs had fallen and the interrogation of captured German airmen suggest that it was no such thing. Also, a Luftwaffe briefing photograph for the raid clearly shows that the principal target area was the railway station/engine sheds/marshalling yards complex. Other targets were the gasworks and RAF York. All three were legitimate military targets. Damage to residential property and civilian casualties would appear to have been the result of poor work by the German bomb aimers rather than a deliberate attempt to terrorise and destroy the civilian population of the city." Also, WO Mahe did indeed destroy a Ju 88 but not the He 111 - he attacked it but it got away. I've a feeling this was pointed out the last time the Press ran this story. Two other RAF night fighter pilots did score kills that night, though. Caecilius
  • Score: 13

2:42pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Garrowby Turnoff says...

Caecilius wrote:
again wrote:
Grumpy Old Man wrote:
What raids? There was just one raid on York that could be classed as a "Baedeker" raid. The Germans launched no such raids based on the Baedeker guide books. It was a bit of nonsense circulated by Churchill's black propaganda department. York was a legitimate target - a major railway junction much used to move men and materials. Look a a pattern of the bomb craters and it's obvious the station was their target. The idea, at a time when the tide was starting to turn against the Germans, that they woukl risk valuable planes and even more valuable crews to attack a church is just nonsense and it's about time the Press stopped blindly trotting out the same phrase ad nauseum.
If you produced the slightest evidence for your personal belief then it it might be worth consideration. As it is, your opinion appears to be mischievous nonsense typed by idle hands.
From "Air War over East Yorkshire in WW2", by Paul Bright. "Had the raid really been a terror attack? An analysis of where the bombs had fallen and the interrogation of captured German airmen suggest that it was no such thing. Also, a Luftwaffe briefing photograph for the raid clearly shows that the principal target area was the railway station/engine sheds/marshalling yards complex. Other targets were the gasworks and RAF York. All three were legitimate military targets. Damage to residential property and civilian casualties would appear to have been the result of poor work by the German bomb aimers rather than a deliberate attempt to terrorise and destroy the civilian population of the city."

Also, WO Mahe did indeed destroy a Ju 88 but not the He 111 - he attacked it but it got away. I've a feeling this was pointed out the last time the Press ran this story. Two other RAF night fighter pilots did score kills that night, though.
I'm afraid giving credence to an author (Paul Bright) who lives in Filey, is not old enough to remember such events, and whose library of other books contains illustrious historical titles such as; "Nobody Laughs at a Lion", "A Practical Guide to Dormouse Conservation", "The Bears in the Bed and the Great Big Storm", and the gem "Charlie's Superhero Underpants" leaves much to be desired.
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]again[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: What raids? There was just one raid on York that could be classed as a "Baedeker" raid. The Germans launched no such raids based on the Baedeker guide books. It was a bit of nonsense circulated by Churchill's black propaganda department. York was a legitimate target - a major railway junction much used to move men and materials. Look a a pattern of the bomb craters and it's obvious the station was their target. The idea, at a time when the tide was starting to turn against the Germans, that they woukl risk valuable planes and even more valuable crews to attack a church is just nonsense and it's about time the Press stopped blindly trotting out the same phrase ad nauseum.[/p][/quote]If you produced the slightest evidence for your personal belief then it it might be worth consideration. As it is, your opinion appears to be mischievous nonsense typed by idle hands.[/p][/quote]From "Air War over East Yorkshire in WW2", by Paul Bright. "Had the raid really been a terror attack? An analysis of where the bombs had fallen and the interrogation of captured German airmen suggest that it was no such thing. Also, a Luftwaffe briefing photograph for the raid clearly shows that the principal target area was the railway station/engine sheds/marshalling yards complex. Other targets were the gasworks and RAF York. All three were legitimate military targets. Damage to residential property and civilian casualties would appear to have been the result of poor work by the German bomb aimers rather than a deliberate attempt to terrorise and destroy the civilian population of the city." Also, WO Mahe did indeed destroy a Ju 88 but not the He 111 - he attacked it but it got away. I've a feeling this was pointed out the last time the Press ran this story. Two other RAF night fighter pilots did score kills that night, though.[/p][/quote]I'm afraid giving credence to an author (Paul Bright) who lives in Filey, is not old enough to remember such events, and whose library of other books contains illustrious historical titles such as; "Nobody Laughs at a Lion", "A Practical Guide to Dormouse Conservation", "The Bears in the Bed and the Great Big Storm", and the gem "Charlie's Superhero Underpants" leaves much to be desired. Garrowby Turnoff
  • Score: 1

3:19pm Mon 28 Apr 14

eeoodares says...

Grumpy Old Man wrote:
What raids? There was just one raid on York that could be classed as a "Baedeker" raid. The Germans launched no such raids based on the Baedeker guide books. It was a bit of nonsense circulated by Churchill's black propaganda department. York was a legitimate target - a major railway junction much used to move men and materials. Look a a pattern of the bomb craters and it's obvious the station was their target. The idea, at a time when the tide was starting to turn against the Germans, that they woukl risk valuable planes and even more valuable crews to attack a church is just nonsense and it's about time the Press stopped blindly trotting out the same phrase ad nauseum.
Ahh, lets not celebrate anything then. You found a brilliant name for yourself!
[quote][p][bold]Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: What raids? There was just one raid on York that could be classed as a "Baedeker" raid. The Germans launched no such raids based on the Baedeker guide books. It was a bit of nonsense circulated by Churchill's black propaganda department. York was a legitimate target - a major railway junction much used to move men and materials. Look a a pattern of the bomb craters and it's obvious the station was their target. The idea, at a time when the tide was starting to turn against the Germans, that they woukl risk valuable planes and even more valuable crews to attack a church is just nonsense and it's about time the Press stopped blindly trotting out the same phrase ad nauseum.[/p][/quote]Ahh, lets not celebrate anything then. You found a brilliant name for yourself! eeoodares
  • Score: 3

4:16pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Firedrake says...

Garrowby: I am as grateful as you are that "whom(so)ever saved our bacon" but I also care about historical accuracy. Rightly ot wrongly, the "Baedeker Theory" has indeed been challenged by a number of historians over the years. I'm perhaps not quite so taken with Grumpy's "Black Propaganda" notion, but I have encountered it before, along with the suggestion that serious anti-aircraft units had been withdrawn from the area to protect other, more industrial significant cities.

As for my point about the limestone in the moonlight: I got that from the horse's mouth, so to speak: a veteran Luftwaffe pilot!
Garrowby: I am as grateful as you are that "whom(so)ever saved our bacon" but I also care about historical accuracy. Rightly ot wrongly, the "Baedeker Theory" has indeed been challenged by a number of historians over the years. I'm perhaps not quite so taken with Grumpy's "Black Propaganda" notion, but I have encountered it before, along with the suggestion that serious anti-aircraft units had been withdrawn from the area to protect other, more industrial significant cities. As for my point about the limestone in the moonlight: I got that from the horse's mouth, so to speak: a veteran Luftwaffe pilot! Firedrake
  • Score: 5

5:36pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Seadog says...

Perhaps Michael Portillo could make a TV series called: "Great British Plane Journeys" armed with a Baedeker as opposed to a Bradshaw ...
Perhaps Michael Portillo could make a TV series called: "Great British Plane Journeys" armed with a Baedeker as opposed to a Bradshaw ... Seadog
  • Score: 4

6:57pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

andy fowler wrote:
The council have destroyed more of York than Hitler, the vikings and any other invader ever did.
Prove it.
[quote][p][bold]andy fowler[/bold] wrote: The council have destroyed more of York than Hitler, the vikings and any other invader ever did.[/p][/quote]Prove it. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 0

6:59pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

It's funny that this story was rebranded and republished by the Press as "Hurricane in York" ..... about 2 hours after The York Mix did the same.
It's funny that this story was rebranded and republished by the Press as "Hurricane in York" ..... about 2 hours after The York Mix did the same. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 0

8:11pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Seadog says...

And without a comments box ...
And without a comments box ... Seadog
  • Score: 1

9:09am Tue 29 Apr 14

andy fowler says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
andy fowler wrote:
The council have destroyed more of York than Hitler, the vikings and any other invader ever did.
Prove it.
Morning Alexander
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andy fowler[/bold] wrote: The council have destroyed more of York than Hitler, the vikings and any other invader ever did.[/p][/quote]Prove it.[/p][/quote]Morning Alexander andy fowler
  • Score: -54

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