£175,000 redesign planned for Hungate in York

York Press: The new Hiscox building, which will form part of the wider redevelopment of Hungate The new Hiscox building, which will form part of the wider redevelopment of Hungate

YORK'S leaders plan to spend £175,000 improving Hungate in the hope of luring more businesses to the area and cementing the city's international reputation.

City of York Council's cabinet will be asked on May 6 to approve the use of the money to improve the "public realm" in that part of the city-centre and make it more pedestrian friendly.

Katie Stewart, the council's head of economic development, and Ian Floyd, director of customer and business support services, say the move will create a "world-class district for commercial and resident development", but the council has been criticised for failing to provide detail of exactly how and where the money would be spent, with little detail in the report to cabinet.

The money will come from the council's £28.5 million Economic Infrastructure Fund, set up to fuel economic growth and will match money contributed by developers in the Hungate area through the planning application process.

The work should lead to increased investment and footfall in the area, and English Heritage research suggests similar work elsewhere has led to £1.60 return for every £1 spent, said the report by Ms Stewart and Mr Floyd.

They wrote: "The project will see the development of a more pedestrian-friendly and higher quality public realm in the Hungate area, creating a new pedestrian circuit in the city centre. It will link the new improved spaces and streets and also bring footfall to this currently under-utilised area of the centre."

They said York had to compete with other cities in England and overseas.

The report to cabinet does not detail the precise nature nor location of the work.

York Liberal Democrat leader Keith Aspden said: "Residents will be surprised that while basic services are being cut in their local community Labour has found £175,000 to splash on another city-centre project.

"The business case for this spending is short on detail or any measurable targets. It seems that Labour has failed to learn the lessons from either the King's Square revamp or the botched Lendal Bridge trial.”

Insurance giant Hiscox is in the process of moving on to Hungate, on a site behind the Black Swan pub, and Hungate York Regeneration Ltd recently received planning permission for the second phase of housing on its £130 million site, creating 195 flats near the footbridge leading to Navigation Wharf.

At the same meeting, the cabinet will be asked to approve the use of £75,000 from the EIF to help develop the ‘BioVale’ cluster, which seeks to drive Yorkshire as a international hub built on bio-fuels, bio-waste and chemical knowledge. The project is seen as having the potential to create 40,000 jobs regionally and contribute to a £12bn economic boost by 2025.

Council leader James Alexander said: “The Economic Infrastructure Fund was created to kick-start key projects for the city that otherwise would not be possible. These investments will boost the city’s offer and enable us to showcase its assets on a local, national and international stage as well as create jobs and further investment into the city.”

 

>> Read the council report here (item 12)

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4:04pm Sun 27 Apr 14

iYorky says...

Great news, nice to see some forward thinking from the council - all this hard work will pay off in good jobs and a nicer city. To all those who will comment saying 'it's a waste of money' etc,, how do you expect York's economy to grow and get more businesses to stay and move here?
Great news, nice to see some forward thinking from the council - all this hard work will pay off in good jobs and a nicer city. To all those who will comment saying 'it's a waste of money' etc,, how do you expect York's economy to grow and get more businesses to stay and move here? iYorky
  • Score: 46

5:07pm Sun 27 Apr 14

CaroleBaines says...

Without wishing to be political, is it just me or is York starting to look like a city which has grown up a bit? A modern stadium on the way like most other places of similar size have. At last some decent out of town shopping. Bigger business being attracted. Monks Cross being a proper facility, not the 'nod' to out of town we've been allowed before.
Just seems to me, that the local business lobby - Browns, Mulberry Hall, Barnetts et al and other self-interested sectors are not getting things all their own way.
I stress this is NOT a political view, but have lived in this city all my life and seen 'small' York kept small sometimes against resident wishes. Coppergate was a point in case.
We now live in a relatively sizable city - over 200k residents. It is about time we had some facilities to match. Second division retail, second division concert venues, second division business attraction needs to stop. We are not just about tourism and pennies in local business pockets.
Without wishing to be political, is it just me or is York starting to look like a city which has grown up a bit? A modern stadium on the way like most other places of similar size have. At last some decent out of town shopping. Bigger business being attracted. Monks Cross being a proper facility, not the 'nod' to out of town we've been allowed before. Just seems to me, that the local business lobby - Browns, Mulberry Hall, Barnetts et al and other self-interested sectors are not getting things all their own way. I stress this is NOT a political view, but have lived in this city all my life and seen 'small' York kept small sometimes against resident wishes. Coppergate was a point in case. We now live in a relatively sizable city - over 200k residents. It is about time we had some facilities to match. Second division retail, second division concert venues, second division business attraction needs to stop. We are not just about tourism and pennies in local business pockets. CaroleBaines
  • Score: 88

5:19pm Sun 27 Apr 14

shartin says...

Good idea,and I feel sure it will be money well spent.Regarding the King's Square re-vamp I think it' s looking great!
Good idea,and I feel sure it will be money well spent.Regarding the King's Square re-vamp I think it' s looking great! shartin
  • Score: 65

5:32pm Sun 27 Apr 14

imassey says...

Can't help but agree with the first three comments. I also think this sort of "speculate to accumulate" investment is much more likely to do York long term good than this Summer's cycle race nonsense ever will.
Can't help but agree with the first three comments. I also think this sort of "speculate to accumulate" investment is much more likely to do York long term good than this Summer's cycle race nonsense ever will. imassey
  • Score: 86

5:52pm Sun 27 Apr 14

Tug job says...

imassey wrote:
Can't help but agree with the first three comments. I also think this sort of "speculate to accumulate" investment is much more likely to do York long term good than this Summer's cycle race nonsense ever will.
Other towns and cities around the world, as well as the UK, make these types of investments all the time to encourage businesses to invest there. Why should York be any different? Seems very sensible.
[quote][p][bold]imassey[/bold] wrote: Can't help but agree with the first three comments. I also think this sort of "speculate to accumulate" investment is much more likely to do York long term good than this Summer's cycle race nonsense ever will.[/p][/quote]Other towns and cities around the world, as well as the UK, make these types of investments all the time to encourage businesses to invest there. Why should York be any different? Seems very sensible. Tug job
  • Score: 71

6:30pm Sun 27 Apr 14

Sign 'O' The Times says...

I don't want to appear negative, as I agree, it is a good idea. My problem is with the figure of £175,000. Surely, that can't be right. If Kings Square cost £500,000, then £175,000 is not going to achieve much.
I don't want to appear negative, as I agree, it is a good idea. My problem is with the figure of £175,000. Surely, that can't be right. If Kings Square cost £500,000, then £175,000 is not going to achieve much. Sign 'O' The Times
  • Score: 64

7:11pm Sun 27 Apr 14

pedalling paul says...

Some opposition Councillors are quick to condemn off the cuff. Labour has not "found" the money yet. The Officer's Report is seeking approval to spend this sum. That approval may well be witheld by Cabinet.
If the LibDems were still in office, their Cabinet would have received precisely the same request.
Some opposition Councillors are quick to condemn off the cuff. Labour has not "found" the money yet. The Officer's Report is seeking approval to spend this sum. That approval may well be witheld by Cabinet. If the LibDems were still in office, their Cabinet would have received precisely the same request. pedalling paul
  • Score: 45

7:22pm Sun 27 Apr 14

eeoodares says...

CaroleBaines wrote:
Without wishing to be political, is it just me or is York starting to look like a city which has grown up a bit? A modern stadium on the way like most other places of similar size have. At last some decent out of town shopping. Bigger business being attracted. Monks Cross being a proper facility, not the 'nod' to out of town we've been allowed before.
Just seems to me, that the local business lobby - Browns, Mulberry Hall, Barnetts et al and other self-interested sectors are not getting things all their own way.
I stress this is NOT a political view, but have lived in this city all my life and seen 'small' York kept small sometimes against resident wishes. Coppergate was a point in case.
We now live in a relatively sizable city - over 200k residents. It is about time we had some facilities to match. Second division retail, second division concert venues, second division business attraction needs to stop. We are not just about tourism and pennies in local business pockets.
Your comments seem quite sensible, but is the reason why York is a top destination and the reason why so many people wish to live here because we have not had the development that every other city has? The local businesses that you seem happy to deride are the one thing that sets us apart from the high streets in other cities.

If you want some development, start with the Barbican, how many years has that debacle gone on for, it is a real mess.
[quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: Without wishing to be political, is it just me or is York starting to look like a city which has grown up a bit? A modern stadium on the way like most other places of similar size have. At last some decent out of town shopping. Bigger business being attracted. Monks Cross being a proper facility, not the 'nod' to out of town we've been allowed before. Just seems to me, that the local business lobby - Browns, Mulberry Hall, Barnetts et al and other self-interested sectors are not getting things all their own way. I stress this is NOT a political view, but have lived in this city all my life and seen 'small' York kept small sometimes against resident wishes. Coppergate was a point in case. We now live in a relatively sizable city - over 200k residents. It is about time we had some facilities to match. Second division retail, second division concert venues, second division business attraction needs to stop. We are not just about tourism and pennies in local business pockets.[/p][/quote]Your comments seem quite sensible, but is the reason why York is a top destination and the reason why so many people wish to live here because we have not had the development that every other city has? The local businesses that you seem happy to deride are the one thing that sets us apart from the high streets in other cities. If you want some development, start with the Barbican, how many years has that debacle gone on for, it is a real mess. eeoodares
  • Score: 92

7:26pm Sun 27 Apr 14

Warren Z says...

the same meeting, the cabinet will be asked to approve the use of £75,000 from the EIF to help develop the ‘BioVale’ cluster, which seeks to drive Yorkshire as a international hub built on bio-fuels, bio-waste and chemical knowledge. The project is seen as having the potential to create 40,000 jobs regionally and contribute to a £12bn economic boost by 2025.
Biovale cluster,hub type thing?Bullcrap.
the same meeting, the cabinet will be asked to approve the use of £75,000 from the EIF to help develop the ‘BioVale’ cluster, which seeks to drive Yorkshire as a international hub built on bio-fuels, bio-waste and chemical knowledge. The project is seen as having the potential to create 40,000 jobs regionally and contribute to a £12bn economic boost by 2025. Biovale cluster,hub type thing?Bullcrap. Warren Z
  • Score: 70

9:23pm Sun 27 Apr 14

digendelve says...

I wouldn't worry too much, this council will approve anything. Fact (sarc)
I wouldn't worry too much, this council will approve anything. Fact (sarc) digendelve
  • Score: -14

9:38pm Sun 27 Apr 14

pedalling paul says...

eeoodares wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
Without wishing to be political, is it just me or is York starting to look like a city which has grown up a bit? A modern stadium on the way like most other places of similar size have. At last some decent out of town shopping. Bigger business being attracted. Monks Cross being a proper facility, not the 'nod' to out of town we've been allowed before.
Just seems to me, that the local business lobby - Browns, Mulberry Hall, Barnetts et al and other self-interested sectors are not getting things all their own way.
I stress this is NOT a political view, but have lived in this city all my life and seen 'small' York kept small sometimes against resident wishes. Coppergate was a point in case.
We now live in a relatively sizable city - over 200k residents. It is about time we had some facilities to match. Second division retail, second division concert venues, second division business attraction needs to stop. We are not just about tourism and pennies in local business pockets.
Your comments seem quite sensible, but is the reason why York is a top destination and the reason why so many people wish to live here because we have not had the development that every other city has? The local businesses that you seem happy to deride are the one thing that sets us apart from the high streets in other cities.

If you want some development, start with the Barbican, how many years has that debacle gone on for, it is a real mess.
Presumably you are referring to vacant the land next to the Barbican. I recall that Planning Consent was given for a hotel development, but perhaps the developer has decided not to go ahead just yet. A lot of commentators claim to have more wisdom than me, so perhaps they can shed further light.
[quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: Without wishing to be political, is it just me or is York starting to look like a city which has grown up a bit? A modern stadium on the way like most other places of similar size have. At last some decent out of town shopping. Bigger business being attracted. Monks Cross being a proper facility, not the 'nod' to out of town we've been allowed before. Just seems to me, that the local business lobby - Browns, Mulberry Hall, Barnetts et al and other self-interested sectors are not getting things all their own way. I stress this is NOT a political view, but have lived in this city all my life and seen 'small' York kept small sometimes against resident wishes. Coppergate was a point in case. We now live in a relatively sizable city - over 200k residents. It is about time we had some facilities to match. Second division retail, second division concert venues, second division business attraction needs to stop. We are not just about tourism and pennies in local business pockets.[/p][/quote]Your comments seem quite sensible, but is the reason why York is a top destination and the reason why so many people wish to live here because we have not had the development that every other city has? The local businesses that you seem happy to deride are the one thing that sets us apart from the high streets in other cities. If you want some development, start with the Barbican, how many years has that debacle gone on for, it is a real mess.[/p][/quote]Presumably you are referring to vacant the land next to the Barbican. I recall that Planning Consent was given for a hotel development, but perhaps the developer has decided not to go ahead just yet. A lot of commentators claim to have more wisdom than me, so perhaps they can shed further light. pedalling paul
  • Score: 16

9:42pm Sun 27 Apr 14

non pedalling pete says...

Another waste of money for yet another vanity job we cannot afford.
ROLL ON 2015. Watch the mark down mongrel go.
Another waste of money for yet another vanity job we cannot afford. ROLL ON 2015. Watch the mark down mongrel go. non pedalling pete
  • Score: -21

10:08pm Sun 27 Apr 14

eeoodares says...

pedalling paul wrote:
eeoodares wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
Without wishing to be political, is it just me or is York starting to look like a city which has grown up a bit? A modern stadium on the way like most other places of similar size have. At last some decent out of town shopping. Bigger business being attracted. Monks Cross being a proper facility, not the 'nod' to out of town we've been allowed before.
Just seems to me, that the local business lobby - Browns, Mulberry Hall, Barnetts et al and other self-interested sectors are not getting things all their own way.
I stress this is NOT a political view, but have lived in this city all my life and seen 'small' York kept small sometimes against resident wishes. Coppergate was a point in case.
We now live in a relatively sizable city - over 200k residents. It is about time we had some facilities to match. Second division retail, second division concert venues, second division business attraction needs to stop. We are not just about tourism and pennies in local business pockets.
Your comments seem quite sensible, but is the reason why York is a top destination and the reason why so many people wish to live here because we have not had the development that every other city has? The local businesses that you seem happy to deride are the one thing that sets us apart from the high streets in other cities.

If you want some development, start with the Barbican, how many years has that debacle gone on for, it is a real mess.
Presumably you are referring to vacant the land next to the Barbican. I recall that Planning Consent was given for a hotel development, but perhaps the developer has decided not to go ahead just yet. A lot of commentators claim to have more wisdom than me, so perhaps they can shed further light.
I am referring to the site as a whole. It is scruffy, why have they been given permission to level a community asset and create an eyesore? They need to landscape it.

The entrance with posters stuck in windows and litter, no proper area for taxis, to drop off punters before shows etc. The whole site is poorly thought out. It looks like something they would have built in Leeds in the 1970's.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: Without wishing to be political, is it just me or is York starting to look like a city which has grown up a bit? A modern stadium on the way like most other places of similar size have. At last some decent out of town shopping. Bigger business being attracted. Monks Cross being a proper facility, not the 'nod' to out of town we've been allowed before. Just seems to me, that the local business lobby - Browns, Mulberry Hall, Barnetts et al and other self-interested sectors are not getting things all their own way. I stress this is NOT a political view, but have lived in this city all my life and seen 'small' York kept small sometimes against resident wishes. Coppergate was a point in case. We now live in a relatively sizable city - over 200k residents. It is about time we had some facilities to match. Second division retail, second division concert venues, second division business attraction needs to stop. We are not just about tourism and pennies in local business pockets.[/p][/quote]Your comments seem quite sensible, but is the reason why York is a top destination and the reason why so many people wish to live here because we have not had the development that every other city has? The local businesses that you seem happy to deride are the one thing that sets us apart from the high streets in other cities. If you want some development, start with the Barbican, how many years has that debacle gone on for, it is a real mess.[/p][/quote]Presumably you are referring to vacant the land next to the Barbican. I recall that Planning Consent was given for a hotel development, but perhaps the developer has decided not to go ahead just yet. A lot of commentators claim to have more wisdom than me, so perhaps they can shed further light.[/p][/quote]I am referring to the site as a whole. It is scruffy, why have they been given permission to level a community asset and create an eyesore? They need to landscape it. The entrance with posters stuck in windows and litter, no proper area for taxis, to drop off punters before shows etc. The whole site is poorly thought out. It looks like something they would have built in Leeds in the 1970's. eeoodares
  • Score: -6

10:09pm Sun 27 Apr 14

Tug job says...

non pedalling pete wrote:
Another waste of money for yet another vanity job we cannot afford.
ROLL ON 2015. Watch the mark down mongrel go.
I wonder if that's what the residents of Sunderland thought when the local council, their MPs and the Government of the day paved the way for Nissan to open their European factories up there?
[quote][p][bold]non pedalling pete[/bold] wrote: Another waste of money for yet another vanity job we cannot afford. ROLL ON 2015. Watch the mark down mongrel go.[/p][/quote]I wonder if that's what the residents of Sunderland thought when the local council, their MPs and the Government of the day paved the way for Nissan to open their European factories up there? Tug job
  • Score: 31

10:32pm Sun 27 Apr 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

eeoodares wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
eeoodares wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
Without wishing to be political, is it just me or is York starting to look like a city which has grown up a bit? A modern stadium on the way like most other places of similar size have. At last some decent out of town shopping. Bigger business being attracted. Monks Cross being a proper facility, not the 'nod' to out of town we've been allowed before.
Just seems to me, that the local business lobby - Browns, Mulberry Hall, Barnetts et al and other self-interested sectors are not getting things all their own way.
I stress this is NOT a political view, but have lived in this city all my life and seen 'small' York kept small sometimes against resident wishes. Coppergate was a point in case.
We now live in a relatively sizable city - over 200k residents. It is about time we had some facilities to match. Second division retail, second division concert venues, second division business attraction needs to stop. We are not just about tourism and pennies in local business pockets.
Your comments seem quite sensible, but is the reason why York is a top destination and the reason why so many people wish to live here because we have not had the development that every other city has? The local businesses that you seem happy to deride are the one thing that sets us apart from the high streets in other cities.

If you want some development, start with the Barbican, how many years has that debacle gone on for, it is a real mess.
Presumably you are referring to vacant the land next to the Barbican. I recall that Planning Consent was given for a hotel development, but perhaps the developer has decided not to go ahead just yet. A lot of commentators claim to have more wisdom than me, so perhaps they can shed further light.
I am referring to the site as a whole. It is scruffy, why have they been given permission to level a community asset and create an eyesore? They need to landscape it.

The entrance with posters stuck in windows and litter, no proper area for taxis, to drop off punters before shows etc. The whole site is poorly thought out. It looks like something they would have built in Leeds in the 1970's.
...And on Google Earth it looks like a toilet seat.
[quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: Without wishing to be political, is it just me or is York starting to look like a city which has grown up a bit? A modern stadium on the way like most other places of similar size have. At last some decent out of town shopping. Bigger business being attracted. Monks Cross being a proper facility, not the 'nod' to out of town we've been allowed before. Just seems to me, that the local business lobby - Browns, Mulberry Hall, Barnetts et al and other self-interested sectors are not getting things all their own way. I stress this is NOT a political view, but have lived in this city all my life and seen 'small' York kept small sometimes against resident wishes. Coppergate was a point in case. We now live in a relatively sizable city - over 200k residents. It is about time we had some facilities to match. Second division retail, second division concert venues, second division business attraction needs to stop. We are not just about tourism and pennies in local business pockets.[/p][/quote]Your comments seem quite sensible, but is the reason why York is a top destination and the reason why so many people wish to live here because we have not had the development that every other city has? The local businesses that you seem happy to deride are the one thing that sets us apart from the high streets in other cities. If you want some development, start with the Barbican, how many years has that debacle gone on for, it is a real mess.[/p][/quote]Presumably you are referring to vacant the land next to the Barbican. I recall that Planning Consent was given for a hotel development, but perhaps the developer has decided not to go ahead just yet. A lot of commentators claim to have more wisdom than me, so perhaps they can shed further light.[/p][/quote]I am referring to the site as a whole. It is scruffy, why have they been given permission to level a community asset and create an eyesore? They need to landscape it. The entrance with posters stuck in windows and litter, no proper area for taxis, to drop off punters before shows etc. The whole site is poorly thought out. It looks like something they would have built in Leeds in the 1970's.[/p][/quote]...And on Google Earth it looks like a toilet seat. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 38

11:20pm Sun 27 Apr 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Tug job wrote:
non pedalling pete wrote:
Another waste of money for yet another vanity job we cannot afford.
ROLL ON 2015. Watch the mark down mongrel go.
I wonder if that's what the residents of Sunderland thought when the local council, their MPs and the Government of the day paved the way for Nissan to open their European factories up there?
Sunderland wouldn't have needed Nissan if Thatcher hadn't destroyed most of the industries in the town and then Doxfords and Austin & Pickersgills shipyards hadn't been closed down because the EU "wanted to reduce UK shipbuilding capacity" despite healthy order books.
[quote][p][bold]Tug job[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]non pedalling pete[/bold] wrote: Another waste of money for yet another vanity job we cannot afford. ROLL ON 2015. Watch the mark down mongrel go.[/p][/quote]I wonder if that's what the residents of Sunderland thought when the local council, their MPs and the Government of the day paved the way for Nissan to open their European factories up there?[/p][/quote]Sunderland wouldn't have needed Nissan if Thatcher hadn't destroyed most of the industries in the town and then Doxfords and Austin & Pickersgills shipyards hadn't been closed down because the EU "wanted to reduce UK shipbuilding capacity" despite healthy order books. Pinza-C55
  • Score: 40

7:03am Mon 28 Apr 14

mortandindi says...

here we go again.... pedestrian friendly, cycle friendly what a load of rubbish, its about time this city realised that this is not the answer to everything. it will end up like the rest of the city centre where you cannot get in to service the businesses.
New thinking is needed, not the same old ideas from councillors and planners with tunnel vision.
here we go again.... pedestrian friendly, cycle friendly what a load of rubbish, its about time this city realised that this is not the answer to everything. it will end up like the rest of the city centre where you cannot get in to service the businesses. New thinking is needed, not the same old ideas from councillors and planners with tunnel vision. mortandindi
  • Score: -19

7:19am Mon 28 Apr 14

eeoodares says...

Tug job wrote:
non pedalling pete wrote:
Another waste of money for yet another vanity job we cannot afford.
ROLL ON 2015. Watch the mark down mongrel go.
I wonder if that's what the residents of Sunderland thought when the local council, their MPs and the Government of the day paved the way for Nissan to open their European factories up there?
Yeah, 'cos Sunderland is a lovely place to live, lets copy them!
[quote][p][bold]Tug job[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]non pedalling pete[/bold] wrote: Another waste of money for yet another vanity job we cannot afford. ROLL ON 2015. Watch the mark down mongrel go.[/p][/quote]I wonder if that's what the residents of Sunderland thought when the local council, their MPs and the Government of the day paved the way for Nissan to open their European factories up there?[/p][/quote]Yeah, 'cos Sunderland is a lovely place to live, lets copy them! eeoodares
  • Score: -15

7:51am Mon 28 Apr 14

Caecilius says...

mortandindi wrote:
here we go again.... pedestrian friendly, cycle friendly what a load of rubbish, its about time this city realised that this is not the answer to everything. it will end up like the rest of the city centre where you cannot get in to service the businesses.
New thinking is needed, not the same old ideas from councillors and planners with tunnel vision.
So, when you spend money in a city centre business, you do it without getting out of your car? Of course you don't. To bring money into Hungate, people need to be encouraged to come in on foot. Go to practically any city that you care to mention and you'll find that the main shopping areas are pedestrianized.
[quote][p][bold]mortandindi[/bold] wrote: here we go again.... pedestrian friendly, cycle friendly what a load of rubbish, its about time this city realised that this is not the answer to everything. it will end up like the rest of the city centre where you cannot get in to service the businesses. New thinking is needed, not the same old ideas from councillors and planners with tunnel vision.[/p][/quote]So, when you spend money in a city centre business, you do it without getting out of your car? Of course you don't. To bring money into Hungate, people need to be encouraged to come in on foot. Go to practically any city that you care to mention and you'll find that the main shopping areas are pedestrianized. Caecilius
  • Score: 78

8:26am Mon 28 Apr 14

pedalling paul says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
eeoodares wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
eeoodares wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
Without wishing to be political, is it just me or is York starting to look like a city which has grown up a bit? A modern stadium on the way like most other places of similar size have. At last some decent out of town shopping. Bigger business being attracted. Monks Cross being a proper facility, not the 'nod' to out of town we've been allowed before.
Just seems to me, that the local business lobby - Browns, Mulberry Hall, Barnetts et al and other self-interested sectors are not getting things all their own way.
I stress this is NOT a political view, but have lived in this city all my life and seen 'small' York kept small sometimes against resident wishes. Coppergate was a point in case.
We now live in a relatively sizable city - over 200k residents. It is about time we had some facilities to match. Second division retail, second division concert venues, second division business attraction needs to stop. We are not just about tourism and pennies in local business pockets.
Your comments seem quite sensible, but is the reason why York is a top destination and the reason why so many people wish to live here because we have not had the development that every other city has? The local businesses that you seem happy to deride are the one thing that sets us apart from the high streets in other cities.

If you want some development, start with the Barbican, how many years has that debacle gone on for, it is a real mess.
Presumably you are referring to vacant the land next to the Barbican. I recall that Planning Consent was given for a hotel development, but perhaps the developer has decided not to go ahead just yet. A lot of commentators claim to have more wisdom than me, so perhaps they can shed further light.
I am referring to the site as a whole. It is scruffy, why have they been given permission to level a community asset and create an eyesore? They need to landscape it.

The entrance with posters stuck in windows and litter, no proper area for taxis, to drop off punters before shows etc. The whole site is poorly thought out. It looks like something they would have built in Leeds in the 1970's.
...And on Google Earth it looks like a toilet seat.
I'm sure that the Barbican has always belonged to CoYC but was leased to various successive companies. While the latter can do things with the building, they may not be able to manage the surrounds.
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: Without wishing to be political, is it just me or is York starting to look like a city which has grown up a bit? A modern stadium on the way like most other places of similar size have. At last some decent out of town shopping. Bigger business being attracted. Monks Cross being a proper facility, not the 'nod' to out of town we've been allowed before. Just seems to me, that the local business lobby - Browns, Mulberry Hall, Barnetts et al and other self-interested sectors are not getting things all their own way. I stress this is NOT a political view, but have lived in this city all my life and seen 'small' York kept small sometimes against resident wishes. Coppergate was a point in case. We now live in a relatively sizable city - over 200k residents. It is about time we had some facilities to match. Second division retail, second division concert venues, second division business attraction needs to stop. We are not just about tourism and pennies in local business pockets.[/p][/quote]Your comments seem quite sensible, but is the reason why York is a top destination and the reason why so many people wish to live here because we have not had the development that every other city has? The local businesses that you seem happy to deride are the one thing that sets us apart from the high streets in other cities. If you want some development, start with the Barbican, how many years has that debacle gone on for, it is a real mess.[/p][/quote]Presumably you are referring to vacant the land next to the Barbican. I recall that Planning Consent was given for a hotel development, but perhaps the developer has decided not to go ahead just yet. A lot of commentators claim to have more wisdom than me, so perhaps they can shed further light.[/p][/quote]I am referring to the site as a whole. It is scruffy, why have they been given permission to level a community asset and create an eyesore? They need to landscape it. The entrance with posters stuck in windows and litter, no proper area for taxis, to drop off punters before shows etc. The whole site is poorly thought out. It looks like something they would have built in Leeds in the 1970's.[/p][/quote]...And on Google Earth it looks like a toilet seat.[/p][/quote]I'm sure that the Barbican has always belonged to CoYC but was leased to various successive companies. While the latter can do things with the building, they may not be able to manage the surrounds. pedalling paul
  • Score: 12

8:40am Mon 28 Apr 14

CaroleBaines says...

eeoodares wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
Without wishing to be political, is it just me or is York starting to look like a city which has grown up a bit? A modern stadium on the way like most other places of similar size have. At last some decent out of town shopping. Bigger business being attracted. Monks Cross being a proper facility, not the 'nod' to out of town we've been allowed before.
Just seems to me, that the local business lobby - Browns, Mulberry Hall, Barnetts et al and other self-interested sectors are not getting things all their own way.
I stress this is NOT a political view, but have lived in this city all my life and seen 'small' York kept small sometimes against resident wishes. Coppergate was a point in case.
We now live in a relatively sizable city - over 200k residents. It is about time we had some facilities to match. Second division retail, second division concert venues, second division business attraction needs to stop. We are not just about tourism and pennies in local business pockets.
Your comments seem quite sensible, but is the reason why York is a top destination and the reason why so many people wish to live here because we have not had the development that every other city has? The local businesses that you seem happy to deride are the one thing that sets us apart from the high streets in other cities.

If you want some development, start with the Barbican, how many years has that debacle gone on for, it is a real mess.
It is not really 'deriding' those businesses. They are businesses and they do what is best for them, I do not have a problem with that and moreover, shareholders demand it as does corporate law. But it is up to council's to find a balance and just in my opinion, I think we have been swayed by them in the past, to the detriment of locals, where perhaps that should not have been the case.
Coppergate was perhaps an example and for a while, with Campaign for York, it looked like MX2 was going to go the same way.
However, that turned out not to be the case and in recent years, there seems to have been more balance, and as a life-long resident, York feels a little more.......balanced, or as I suggested, grown up.
[quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: Without wishing to be political, is it just me or is York starting to look like a city which has grown up a bit? A modern stadium on the way like most other places of similar size have. At last some decent out of town shopping. Bigger business being attracted. Monks Cross being a proper facility, not the 'nod' to out of town we've been allowed before. Just seems to me, that the local business lobby - Browns, Mulberry Hall, Barnetts et al and other self-interested sectors are not getting things all their own way. I stress this is NOT a political view, but have lived in this city all my life and seen 'small' York kept small sometimes against resident wishes. Coppergate was a point in case. We now live in a relatively sizable city - over 200k residents. It is about time we had some facilities to match. Second division retail, second division concert venues, second division business attraction needs to stop. We are not just about tourism and pennies in local business pockets.[/p][/quote]Your comments seem quite sensible, but is the reason why York is a top destination and the reason why so many people wish to live here because we have not had the development that every other city has? The local businesses that you seem happy to deride are the one thing that sets us apart from the high streets in other cities. If you want some development, start with the Barbican, how many years has that debacle gone on for, it is a real mess.[/p][/quote]It is not really 'deriding' those businesses. They are businesses and they do what is best for them, I do not have a problem with that and moreover, shareholders demand it as does corporate law. But it is up to council's to find a balance and just in my opinion, I think we have been swayed by them in the past, to the detriment of locals, where perhaps that should not have been the case. Coppergate was perhaps an example and for a while, with Campaign for York, it looked like MX2 was going to go the same way. However, that turned out not to be the case and in recent years, there seems to have been more balance, and as a life-long resident, York feels a little more.......balanced, or as I suggested, grown up. CaroleBaines
  • Score: 3

9:07am Mon 28 Apr 14

marvell says...

Nice to see the obvious Labour plants in the first few comments. These people blindly supporting the spending of £175,000 without any details on what it will be spent.

How do they know it will be money well spent if there is no information forthcoming from this typically autocratic Labour administration...
Nice to see the obvious Labour plants in the first few comments. These people blindly supporting the spending of £175,000 without any details on what it will be spent. How do they know it will be money well spent if there is no information forthcoming from this typically autocratic Labour administration... marvell
  • Score: 9

9:31am Mon 28 Apr 14

poorlyduck says...

CaroleBaines, you'll do for me. Your comments are spot on and the most reasoned I've read on here for a long time. Makes a welcome change to the 'string 'em up' muppets we normally have to contend with. Thank you. (And no, I'm not a councillor, I don't work for the council, and I'm not a political party activist. Just a resident who loves York....)
CaroleBaines, you'll do for me. Your comments are spot on and the most reasoned I've read on here for a long time. Makes a welcome change to the 'string 'em up' muppets we normally have to contend with. Thank you. (And no, I'm not a councillor, I don't work for the council, and I'm not a political party activist. Just a resident who loves York....) poorlyduck
  • Score: -1

10:17am Mon 28 Apr 14

imassey says...

marvell wrote:
Nice to see the obvious Labour plants in the first few comments. These people blindly supporting the spending of £175,000 without any details on what it will be spent.

How do they know it will be money well spent if there is no information forthcoming from this typically autocratic Labour administration...
Thank you for blindly assuming that I am a Labour plant. Unfortunately, you can no longer search by commentors name, so you will have to take my word for it when I tell you that, while I support some things done by the Council, I am vigorously against others. I'm guessing that would be the same whichever party was in power. No one party can completely meet my expectations or those of any one individual, let alone a city full of people.

For the record, to explain my comment, anything that is done to attract businesses to York and which has a visible effect in doing so, will get my approval. Correct, I don't know what the money will be spent on, but the idea behind the story is right. My worry (as you would also see from previous comments) is that attracting businesses to the Hungate area will involve the demolition of Stonebow House and, therefore, the destruction of the two music venues that I frequent. However, tidying up the area and using the fact that Hiscox will be there will, in my opinion, do more to bring non-tourist related businesses into York than the exposure that the City will get during the Tour.
[quote][p][bold]marvell[/bold] wrote: Nice to see the obvious Labour plants in the first few comments. These people blindly supporting the spending of £175,000 without any details on what it will be spent. How do they know it will be money well spent if there is no information forthcoming from this typically autocratic Labour administration...[/p][/quote]Thank you for blindly assuming that I am a Labour plant. Unfortunately, you can no longer search by commentors name, so you will have to take my word for it when I tell you that, while I support some things done by the Council, I am vigorously against others. I'm guessing that would be the same whichever party was in power. No one party can completely meet my expectations or those of any one individual, let alone a city full of people. For the record, to explain my comment, anything that is done to attract businesses to York and which has a visible effect in doing so, will get my approval. Correct, I don't know what the money will be spent on, but the idea behind the story is right. My worry (as you would also see from previous comments) is that attracting businesses to the Hungate area will involve the demolition of Stonebow House and, therefore, the destruction of the two music venues that I frequent. However, tidying up the area and using the fact that Hiscox will be there will, in my opinion, do more to bring non-tourist related businesses into York than the exposure that the City will get during the Tour. imassey
  • Score: 0

11:05am Mon 28 Apr 14

marvell says...

imassey wrote:
marvell wrote: Nice to see the obvious Labour plants in the first few comments. These people blindly supporting the spending of £175,000 without any details on what it will be spent. How do they know it will be money well spent if there is no information forthcoming from this typically autocratic Labour administration...
Thank you for blindly assuming that I am a Labour plant. Unfortunately, you can no longer search by commentors name, so you will have to take my word for it when I tell you that, while I support some things done by the Council, I am vigorously against others. I'm guessing that would be the same whichever party was in power. No one party can completely meet my expectations or those of any one individual, let alone a city full of people. For the record, to explain my comment, anything that is done to attract businesses to York and which has a visible effect in doing so, will get my approval. Correct, I don't know what the money will be spent on, but the idea behind the story is right. My worry (as you would also see from previous comments) is that attracting businesses to the Hungate area will involve the demolition of Stonebow House and, therefore, the destruction of the two music venues that I frequent. However, tidying up the area and using the fact that Hiscox will be there will, in my opinion, do more to bring non-tourist related businesses into York than the exposure that the City will get during the Tour.
You make some good general points - but I repeat my question - how do you know that the money will be well spent? How do you know that in fact £75k wouldn't do just as good a job.

Given the lamentable track record of the current Labour Cabinet how can you trust what they say if they provide nothing to justify such a spend?
[quote][p][bold]imassey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marvell[/bold] wrote: Nice to see the obvious Labour plants in the first few comments. These people blindly supporting the spending of £175,000 without any details on what it will be spent. How do they know it will be money well spent if there is no information forthcoming from this typically autocratic Labour administration...[/p][/quote]Thank you for blindly assuming that I am a Labour plant. Unfortunately, you can no longer search by commentors name, so you will have to take my word for it when I tell you that, while I support some things done by the Council, I am vigorously against others. I'm guessing that would be the same whichever party was in power. No one party can completely meet my expectations or those of any one individual, let alone a city full of people. For the record, to explain my comment, anything that is done to attract businesses to York and which has a visible effect in doing so, will get my approval. Correct, I don't know what the money will be spent on, but the idea behind the story is right. My worry (as you would also see from previous comments) is that attracting businesses to the Hungate area will involve the demolition of Stonebow House and, therefore, the destruction of the two music venues that I frequent. However, tidying up the area and using the fact that Hiscox will be there will, in my opinion, do more to bring non-tourist related businesses into York than the exposure that the City will get during the Tour.[/p][/quote]You make some good general points - but I repeat my question - how do you know that the money will be well spent? How do you know that in fact £75k wouldn't do just as good a job. Given the lamentable track record of the current Labour Cabinet how can you trust what they say if they provide nothing to justify such a spend? marvell
  • Score: 9

11:13am Mon 28 Apr 14

imassey says...

marvell wrote:
imassey wrote:
marvell wrote: Nice to see the obvious Labour plants in the first few comments. These people blindly supporting the spending of £175,000 without any details on what it will be spent. How do they know it will be money well spent if there is no information forthcoming from this typically autocratic Labour administration...
Thank you for blindly assuming that I am a Labour plant. Unfortunately, you can no longer search by commentors name, so you will have to take my word for it when I tell you that, while I support some things done by the Council, I am vigorously against others. I'm guessing that would be the same whichever party was in power. No one party can completely meet my expectations or those of any one individual, let alone a city full of people. For the record, to explain my comment, anything that is done to attract businesses to York and which has a visible effect in doing so, will get my approval. Correct, I don't know what the money will be spent on, but the idea behind the story is right. My worry (as you would also see from previous comments) is that attracting businesses to the Hungate area will involve the demolition of Stonebow House and, therefore, the destruction of the two music venues that I frequent. However, tidying up the area and using the fact that Hiscox will be there will, in my opinion, do more to bring non-tourist related businesses into York than the exposure that the City will get during the Tour.
You make some good general points - but I repeat my question - how do you know that the money will be well spent? How do you know that in fact £75k wouldn't do just as good a job.

Given the lamentable track record of the current Labour Cabinet how can you trust what they say if they provide nothing to justify such a spend?
...and I repeat my answer...

I don't know what the money will be spent on, but the idea behind the story is right.

To clarify:

I am in favour of the idea. As no details have been given, I can't be in favour of any details at this point. However, I like and am in favour of the idea.
[quote][p][bold]marvell[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]imassey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marvell[/bold] wrote: Nice to see the obvious Labour plants in the first few comments. These people blindly supporting the spending of £175,000 without any details on what it will be spent. How do they know it will be money well spent if there is no information forthcoming from this typically autocratic Labour administration...[/p][/quote]Thank you for blindly assuming that I am a Labour plant. Unfortunately, you can no longer search by commentors name, so you will have to take my word for it when I tell you that, while I support some things done by the Council, I am vigorously against others. I'm guessing that would be the same whichever party was in power. No one party can completely meet my expectations or those of any one individual, let alone a city full of people. For the record, to explain my comment, anything that is done to attract businesses to York and which has a visible effect in doing so, will get my approval. Correct, I don't know what the money will be spent on, but the idea behind the story is right. My worry (as you would also see from previous comments) is that attracting businesses to the Hungate area will involve the demolition of Stonebow House and, therefore, the destruction of the two music venues that I frequent. However, tidying up the area and using the fact that Hiscox will be there will, in my opinion, do more to bring non-tourist related businesses into York than the exposure that the City will get during the Tour.[/p][/quote]You make some good general points - but I repeat my question - how do you know that the money will be well spent? How do you know that in fact £75k wouldn't do just as good a job. Given the lamentable track record of the current Labour Cabinet how can you trust what they say if they provide nothing to justify such a spend?[/p][/quote]...and I repeat my answer... I don't know what the money will be spent on, but the idea behind the story is right. To clarify: I am in favour of the idea. As no details have been given, I can't be in favour of any details at this point. However, I like and am in favour of the idea. imassey
  • Score: -2

12:51pm Mon 28 Apr 14

meme says...

so long as the money is well spent its a good idea
however concern is that budgets in York are always exceeded
so long as the money is well spent its a good idea however concern is that budgets in York are always exceeded meme
  • Score: 9

4:24pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Idris Gawr says...

pedalling paul wrote:
eeoodares wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
Without wishing to be political, is it just me or is York starting to look like a city which has grown up a bit? A modern stadium on the way like most other places of similar size have. At last some decent out of town shopping. Bigger business being attracted. Monks Cross being a proper facility, not the 'nod' to out of town we've been allowed before.
Just seems to me, that the local business lobby - Browns, Mulberry Hall, Barnetts et al and other self-interested sectors are not getting things all their own way.
I stress this is NOT a political view, but have lived in this city all my life and seen 'small' York kept small sometimes against resident wishes. Coppergate was a point in case.
We now live in a relatively sizable city - over 200k residents. It is about time we had some facilities to match. Second division retail, second division concert venues, second division business attraction needs to stop. We are not just about tourism and pennies in local business pockets.
Your comments seem quite sensible, but is the reason why York is a top destination and the reason why so many people wish to live here because we have not had the development that every other city has? The local businesses that you seem happy to deride are the one thing that sets us apart from the high streets in other cities.

If you want some development, start with the Barbican, how many years has that debacle gone on for, it is a real mess.
Presumably you are referring to vacant the land next to the Barbican. I recall that Planning Consent was given for a hotel development, but perhaps the developer has decided not to go ahead just yet. A lot of commentators claim to have more wisdom than me, so perhaps they can shed further light.
PP-you are the number one propaganist for the council
Are you on their payroll?
York is a HISTORICAL city and most citizens love it as it is, warts and all.
Businesses should fit in with our city, not the other way round! Monks Cross developments are the way forward.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: Without wishing to be political, is it just me or is York starting to look like a city which has grown up a bit? A modern stadium on the way like most other places of similar size have. At last some decent out of town shopping. Bigger business being attracted. Monks Cross being a proper facility, not the 'nod' to out of town we've been allowed before. Just seems to me, that the local business lobby - Browns, Mulberry Hall, Barnetts et al and other self-interested sectors are not getting things all their own way. I stress this is NOT a political view, but have lived in this city all my life and seen 'small' York kept small sometimes against resident wishes. Coppergate was a point in case. We now live in a relatively sizable city - over 200k residents. It is about time we had some facilities to match. Second division retail, second division concert venues, second division business attraction needs to stop. We are not just about tourism and pennies in local business pockets.[/p][/quote]Your comments seem quite sensible, but is the reason why York is a top destination and the reason why so many people wish to live here because we have not had the development that every other city has? The local businesses that you seem happy to deride are the one thing that sets us apart from the high streets in other cities. If you want some development, start with the Barbican, how many years has that debacle gone on for, it is a real mess.[/p][/quote]Presumably you are referring to vacant the land next to the Barbican. I recall that Planning Consent was given for a hotel development, but perhaps the developer has decided not to go ahead just yet. A lot of commentators claim to have more wisdom than me, so perhaps they can shed further light.[/p][/quote]PP-you are the number one propaganist for the council Are you on their payroll? York is a HISTORICAL city and most citizens love it as it is, warts and all. Businesses should fit in with our city, not the other way round! Monks Cross developments are the way forward. Idris Gawr
  • Score: 2

5:45pm Mon 28 Apr 14

bloodaxe says...

shartin wrote:
Good idea,and I feel sure it will be money well spent.Regarding the King's Square re-vamp I think it' s looking great!
Right.
[quote][p][bold]shartin[/bold] wrote: Good idea,and I feel sure it will be money well spent.Regarding the King's Square re-vamp I think it' s looking great![/p][/quote]Right. bloodaxe
  • Score: -2

5:46pm Mon 28 Apr 14

bloodaxe says...

non pedalling pete wrote:
Another waste of money for yet another vanity job we cannot afford.
ROLL ON 2015. Watch the mark down mongrel go.
Drivel.
[quote][p][bold]non pedalling pete[/bold] wrote: Another waste of money for yet another vanity job we cannot afford. ROLL ON 2015. Watch the mark down mongrel go.[/p][/quote]Drivel. bloodaxe
  • Score: -4

6:49pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Steve, says...

I'm all for it, further development is good but they are STILL trying to defend the idea that our city apparently needs to compete with other cities from around the globe - why?? York does very well with what it naturally has!

"YORK'S leaders plan to spend £175,000 improving Hungate in the hope of luring more businesses to the area and cementing the city's international reputation" we don't need an international reputation, this is a working, thriving city that should be respected as such, not a changed trophy piece for politicians to add as another notch on their belts.
I'm all for it, further development is good but they are STILL trying to defend the idea that our city apparently needs to compete with other cities from around the globe - why?? York does very well with what it naturally has! "YORK'S leaders plan to spend £175,000 improving Hungate in the hope of luring more businesses to the area and cementing the city's international reputation" we don't need an international reputation, this is a working, thriving city that should be respected as such, not a changed trophy piece for politicians to add as another notch on their belts. Steve,
  • Score: 3

12:36pm Tue 29 Apr 14

marvell says...

bloodaxe wrote:
shartin wrote:
Good idea,and I feel sure it will be money well spent.Regarding the King's Square re-vamp I think it' s looking great!
Right.
How can you be sure it will be well spent?

A case study to consider would be the ring-road cycle path from Haxby to Clifton Moor - nearly double to original quotation due to failure to do any meaningful due diligence.

Most of us are pretty sure it will not be well spent...
[quote][p][bold]bloodaxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shartin[/bold] wrote: Good idea,and I feel sure it will be money well spent.Regarding the King's Square re-vamp I think it' s looking great![/p][/quote]Right.[/p][/quote]How can you be sure it will be well spent? A case study to consider would be the ring-road cycle path from Haxby to Clifton Moor - nearly double to original quotation due to failure to do any meaningful due diligence. Most of us are pretty sure it will not be well spent... marvell
  • Score: 2

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