New hospital planned for York

Plans move forward for new hospital for York

Plans move forward for new hospital for York

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 A NEW psychiatric hospital is due to be built in York to replace Bootham Park Hospital, it has been confirmed.

Facilities at Bootham Park Hospital are no longer adequate for modern mental health care, service users and Care Quality Commission (CQC) inspectors have said.

As the Grade 1 listed building cannot be altered sufficiently, Vale of York Clinical Commissioning Group has agreed it would look to find funding for a new hospital.

Inpatient facilities at both Bootham and Lime Trees - a mental health unit for children and young people - were both deemed unsuitable by the CQC, meaning patients need to be moved out of both into alternative accommodation "as soon as possible".

Patients are due to move out of Bootham into Peppermill Court off Huntington Road and Cherry Tree House in Tang Hall and out of Lime Trees into Mill Lodge in Huntington Road as an interim measure while plans for the new hospital go ahead.

In the long term Leeds and York Partnership NHS Foundation Trust (LYPFT)  is in talks with NHS England to move Lime Trees into more suitable accommodation.

Rachel Potts, the CCG’s chief operating officer said:  “Bootham Park Hospital was built in 1774, it has served the people of the Vale of York will for 240 years, but the time has come for it to be replaced.

“The CCG believes that the review of mental health services gives us a fantastic opportunity to define the best possible model of care within which we can design a state of the art hospital facility.

“There is no health without mental health and the CCG is confident that the consultation process will allow it to commission innovative solutions that are fit for the 21st century.”

Bootham Hospital's wards 1 and 2, the place of safety and and crisis assessment service will move to Peppermill Court in 15 to 18 months and the elderly assessment unit currently based at Bootham Park Hospital will move to Cherry Tree House in six months.

The needs of 12 men currently in Peppermill Court are being assessed and they may be transferred to   Meadowfields in York, Worsley Court in Selby or at The Retreat in York, LYPFT said.

Inpatient facilities are due to move from Lime Trees to the empty Mill Lodge in six months. Mill Lodge will have enough capacity to provide local care for a number of young people who have previously been sent out of area because of insufficient facilities, a spokesman for LYPFT said.

Other services for children and young people will remain at the current Lime Trees site.
Consultations are due to be held throughout the summer about the precise nature of the hospital.

The consultation process will also look to determine the range of services that should be provided in the community setting, a CCG spokesman said.

 

 

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12:20pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Zetkin says...

With the accelerating privatisation of the NHS the unasked question is, which privateer will get their sweaty palms on Bootham Park, which will be worth millions when it's converted into an hotel or luxury flats?
With the accelerating privatisation of the NHS the unasked question is, which privateer will get their sweaty palms on Bootham Park, which will be worth millions when it's converted into an hotel or luxury flats? Zetkin
  • Score: 24

1:10pm Fri 25 Apr 14

TCJYork says...

Will make lovely flats...
Will make lovely flats... TCJYork
  • Score: 11

1:37pm Fri 25 Apr 14

YorkPatrol says...

Why don't they just convert West Offices - Most of the patients are already in there
Why don't they just convert West Offices - Most of the patients are already in there YorkPatrol
  • Score: -17

2:04pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Budgie says...

Bootham Park a wonderful building, bet the NHS will sell it for peanuts. It has been unsuitable to nurse psychiatric patients for years. I hope someone who knows how to nurse these patients is fully involved in any plans for a new build
Bootham Park a wonderful building, bet the NHS will sell it for peanuts. It has been unsuitable to nurse psychiatric patients for years. I hope someone who knows how to nurse these patients is fully involved in any plans for a new build Budgie
  • Score: 15

2:42pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Ichabod76 says...

Zetkin wrote:
With the accelerating privatisation of the NHS the unasked question is, which privateer will get their sweaty palms on Bootham Park, which will be worth millions when it's converted into an hotel or luxury flats?
why don't you and a couple of your lefty mates put a proposal together to buy the building, spend a couple of million renovating and converting them into apartments for the needy ?
[quote][p][bold]Zetkin[/bold] wrote: With the accelerating privatisation of the NHS the unasked question is, which privateer will get their sweaty palms on Bootham Park, which will be worth millions when it's converted into an hotel or luxury flats?[/p][/quote]why don't you and a couple of your lefty mates put a proposal together to buy the building, spend a couple of million renovating and converting them into apartments for the needy ? Ichabod76
  • Score: -7

2:52pm Fri 25 Apr 14

marvell says...

Let's hope (probably against hope) that they get the building of a new Mental Health facility right and make it of the highest priority.

Mental Health is drastically underfunded and misunderstood by successive governments and needs taking a lot more seriously - particularly with the opportunity in York to build the best possible units for those in need.
Let's hope (probably against hope) that they get the building of a new Mental Health facility right and make it of the highest priority. Mental Health is drastically underfunded and misunderstood by successive governments and needs taking a lot more seriously - particularly with the opportunity in York to build the best possible units for those in need. marvell
  • Score: 24

3:05pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Dr Brian says...

I wonder what will happen to the patients at Peppermill Court? The Trust appear to be silent on this and what will happen to the staff there also? Why are the press not asking these questions instead of just reprinting the press release?
I wonder what will happen to the patients at Peppermill Court? The Trust appear to be silent on this and what will happen to the staff there also? Why are the press not asking these questions instead of just reprinting the press release? Dr Brian
  • Score: 16

3:06pm Fri 25 Apr 14

cynic3 says...

If it has been suitable for so long I do wonder why they have to empty it so fast as though the building had been condemned as totally unfit for occupation.
If it has been suitable for so long I do wonder why they have to empty it so fast as though the building had been condemned as totally unfit for occupation. cynic3
  • Score: 4

3:38pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Digeorge says...

So it has taken complaints and the Care Quality Commission to say that this building is no longer suitable for mental health needs in the 21st century. How long has that taken a few years and a few million pounds on that building.

Meanwhile, what is happening to the people in there and their services as I gather from consultants that mental health provision in York is virtually non-existent.
So it has taken complaints and the Care Quality Commission to say that this building is no longer suitable for mental health needs in the 21st century. How long has that taken a few years and a few million pounds on that building. Meanwhile, what is happening to the people in there and their services as I gather from consultants that mental health provision in York is virtually non-existent. Digeorge
  • Score: 3

4:38pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Alfredd-g says...

No problem, there's already a precedent. Just chuck the patients out onto the streets and convert Bootham Park into luxury flats. It worked so well in North London, in 1993, when they shut down Colney Hatch Asylum, or Frien Hospital as it subsequently became known and flooded Central London with dossers, half of whom were apparently insane. Mrs Thatcher called it care in the community?!?
No problem, there's already a precedent. Just chuck the patients out onto the streets and convert Bootham Park into luxury flats. It worked so well in North London, in 1993, when they shut down Colney Hatch Asylum, or Frien Hospital as it subsequently became known and flooded Central London with dossers, half of whom were apparently insane. Mrs Thatcher called it care in the community?!? Alfredd-g
  • Score: 0

5:25pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Dave Ruddock says...

I would have thought it would go at "Build replacement then move patients" not move patients to a temp housing/residential home, then in 10 years time forget where the patients where.
I would have thought it would go at "Build replacement then move patients" not move patients to a temp housing/residential home, then in 10 years time forget where the patients where. Dave Ruddock
  • Score: 8

5:45pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Sillybillies says...

Zetkin wrote:
With the accelerating privatisation of the NHS the unasked question is, which privateer will get their sweaty palms on Bootham Park, which will be worth millions when it's converted into an hotel or luxury flats?
So what would you do, what's the comminist solution?
[quote][p][bold]Zetkin[/bold] wrote: With the accelerating privatisation of the NHS the unasked question is, which privateer will get their sweaty palms on Bootham Park, which will be worth millions when it's converted into an hotel or luxury flats?[/p][/quote]So what would you do, what's the comminist solution? Sillybillies
  • Score: -4

5:52pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Sillybillies says...

Alfredd-g wrote:
No problem, there's already a precedent. Just chuck the patients out onto the streets and convert Bootham Park into luxury flats. It worked so well in North London, in 1993, when they shut down Colney Hatch Asylum, or Frien Hospital as it subsequently became known and flooded Central London with dossers, half of whom were apparently insane. Mrs Thatcher called it care in the community?!?
Were it not for the agitation of MIND and MENCAP there would still be secure hospitals for the mentally ill where they can be properly looked after and the rest of us protected from highly dangerous individuals -
Mentally ill patients killed 96 in London over eight years, say trusts

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-england-lon
don-24437484
[quote][p][bold]Alfredd-g[/bold] wrote: No problem, there's already a precedent. Just chuck the patients out onto the streets and convert Bootham Park into luxury flats. It worked so well in North London, in 1993, when they shut down Colney Hatch Asylum, or Frien Hospital as it subsequently became known and flooded Central London with dossers, half of whom were apparently insane. Mrs Thatcher called it care in the community?!?[/p][/quote]Were it not for the agitation of MIND and MENCAP there would still be secure hospitals for the mentally ill where they can be properly looked after and the rest of us protected from highly dangerous individuals - [quote]Mentally ill patients killed 96 in London over eight years, say trusts http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-lon don-24437484[/quote] Sillybillies
  • Score: -9

6:04pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Zetkin says...

Sillybillies wrote:
Zetkin wrote:
With the accelerating privatisation of the NHS the unasked question is, which privateer will get their sweaty palms on Bootham Park, which will be worth millions when it's converted into an hotel or luxury flats?
So what would you do, what's the comminist solution?
I'm fairly sure some viable community use could be found for it, that didn't involve a huge unearned profit for one of the vultures currently circling the remains of the NHS.

Good quality social housing, student accommodation, offices for community groups, even commercial development, provided the NHS and not the privateers got the money.

The parkland could be a wonderful public space.

There are plenty of people out there with more imagination than me - let's hope it's they who are listened to when it comes to deciding what to do with this great building and grounds.
[quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zetkin[/bold] wrote: With the accelerating privatisation of the NHS the unasked question is, which privateer will get their sweaty palms on Bootham Park, which will be worth millions when it's converted into an hotel or luxury flats?[/p][/quote]So what would you do, what's the comminist solution?[/p][/quote]I'm fairly sure some viable community use could be found for it, that didn't involve a huge unearned profit for one of the vultures currently circling the remains of the NHS. Good quality social housing, student accommodation, offices for community groups, even commercial development, provided the NHS and not the privateers got the money. The parkland could be a wonderful public space. There are plenty of people out there with more imagination than me - let's hope it's they who are listened to when it comes to deciding what to do with this great building and grounds. Zetkin
  • Score: 6

6:09pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Zetkin says...

Ichabod76 wrote:
Zetkin wrote:
With the accelerating privatisation of the NHS the unasked question is, which privateer will get their sweaty palms on Bootham Park, which will be worth millions when it's converted into an hotel or luxury flats?
why don't you and a couple of your lefty mates put a proposal together to buy the building, spend a couple of million renovating and converting them into apartments for the needy ?
Lovely idea, but I suspect it would take more than two or three of us to find the necessary millions, unless I can arrange to work until I'm 350 years old, and save very hard indeed :-)
[quote][p][bold]Ichabod76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zetkin[/bold] wrote: With the accelerating privatisation of the NHS the unasked question is, which privateer will get their sweaty palms on Bootham Park, which will be worth millions when it's converted into an hotel or luxury flats?[/p][/quote]why don't you and a couple of your lefty mates put a proposal together to buy the building, spend a couple of million renovating and converting them into apartments for the needy ?[/p][/quote]Lovely idea, but I suspect it would take more than two or three of us to find the necessary millions, unless I can arrange to work until I'm 350 years old, and save very hard indeed :-) Zetkin
  • Score: 4

6:12pm Fri 25 Apr 14

bloodaxe says...

Sillybillies wrote:
Zetkin wrote:
With the accelerating privatisation of the NHS the unasked question is, which privateer will get their sweaty palms on Bootham Park, which will be worth millions when it's converted into an hotel or luxury flats?
So what would you do, what's the comminist solution?
Presumably the "communist" (as you meant to call it) solution would be to provide decent public services out of fair taxation irrespective of the ability to pay for treatment. This would of course include inpatient mental health care. After all, it was the "fascist" regime of Ma T which closed the inpatient hospitals and turfed the patients onto the streets and subsequently into the prisons. The right always looks for short term cash savings irrespective of the long term problems which inevitably result.
[quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zetkin[/bold] wrote: With the accelerating privatisation of the NHS the unasked question is, which privateer will get their sweaty palms on Bootham Park, which will be worth millions when it's converted into an hotel or luxury flats?[/p][/quote]So what would you do, what's the comminist solution?[/p][/quote]Presumably the "communist" (as you meant to call it) solution would be to provide decent public services out of fair taxation irrespective of the ability to pay for treatment. This would of course include inpatient mental health care. After all, it was the "fascist" regime of Ma T which closed the inpatient hospitals and turfed the patients onto the streets and subsequently into the prisons. The right always looks for short term cash savings irrespective of the long term problems which inevitably result. bloodaxe
  • Score: 6

6:17pm Fri 25 Apr 14

farmerpalmer says...

Pound to a penny that some bright spark has a PFI plan in the waiting.. another rip off 25 year contract that no one but the investors benefit.

Huntington fire station anyone?
Pound to a penny that some bright spark has a PFI plan in the waiting.. another rip off 25 year contract that no one but the investors benefit. Huntington fire station anyone? farmerpalmer
  • Score: 1

7:45pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Digeorge says...

"Colney Hatch Asylum, or Frien Hospital as it subsequently became known and flooded Central London with dossers, half of whom were apparently insane. Mrs Thatcher called it care in the community"?

Actually it isn't as some of my partners relatives live near there, both are a luxury housing development.

But there is no 'real' mental health service here in York that is why the waiting lists for counselling etc are so long. Neglected part of the NHS system for far too long.
"Colney Hatch Asylum, or Frien Hospital as it subsequently became known and flooded Central London with dossers, half of whom were apparently insane. Mrs Thatcher called it care in the community"? Actually it isn't as some of my partners relatives live near there, both are a luxury housing development. But there is no 'real' mental health service here in York that is why the waiting lists for counselling etc are so long. Neglected part of the NHS system for far too long. Digeorge
  • Score: 3

8:19pm Fri 25 Apr 14

BigJon says...

no mention in the article but where are thety planning to build the new hospital?
no mention in the article but where are thety planning to build the new hospital? BigJon
  • Score: 3

8:24pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Gerry2 says...

Certainly a wealth of possible patients to be found on Council. The ones who screwed up Lendal Bridge perhaps ????
Certainly a wealth of possible patients to be found on Council. The ones who screwed up Lendal Bridge perhaps ???? Gerry2
  • Score: -25

9:02pm Fri 25 Apr 14

pedalling paul says...

Gerry2 wrote:
Certainly a wealth of possible patients to be found on Council. The ones who screwed up Lendal Bridge perhaps ????
More appropriately perhaps those contributors to these pages, who are under the delusion that York can ever be a car user's paradise. Google York LTP3 to find out why it will never be one.
[quote][p][bold]Gerry2[/bold] wrote: Certainly a wealth of possible patients to be found on Council. The ones who screwed up Lendal Bridge perhaps ????[/p][/quote]More appropriately perhaps those contributors to these pages, who are under the delusion that York can ever be a car user's paradise. Google York LTP3 to find out why it will never be one. pedalling paul
  • Score: 22

10:18pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Alfredd-g says...

Digeorge wrote:
"Colney Hatch Asylum, or Frien Hospital as it subsequently became known and flooded Central London with dossers, half of whom were apparently insane. Mrs Thatcher called it care in the community"?

Actually it isn't as some of my partners relatives live near there, both are a luxury housing development.

But there is no 'real' mental health service here in York that is why the waiting lists for counselling etc are so long. Neglected part of the NHS system for far too long.
Luxury houses, or luxury flats? The same thing at the end of the day and not really the point, which is about vulnerable, sometimes dangerous people who need professional medical care in secure accomodation. This to protect us and them from harm.
[quote][p][bold]Digeorge[/bold] wrote: "Colney Hatch Asylum, or Frien Hospital as it subsequently became known and flooded Central London with dossers, half of whom were apparently insane. Mrs Thatcher called it care in the community"? Actually it isn't as some of my partners relatives live near there, both are a luxury housing development. But there is no 'real' mental health service here in York that is why the waiting lists for counselling etc are so long. Neglected part of the NHS system for far too long.[/p][/quote]Luxury houses, or luxury flats? The same thing at the end of the day and not really the point, which is about vulnerable, sometimes dangerous people who need professional medical care in secure accomodation. This to protect us and them from harm. Alfredd-g
  • Score: 1

9:09am Sat 26 Apr 14

Digeorge says...

Given that I have mental health services out of Leeds York Partnership Trust, I have a very good consultant out-of-area, I have to have one because of my genetic condition which is extremely complicated medically and also potentially psychiatrically. I also have out of the Commissioning Group counselling which is not done via the Trust but privately as it is cheaper. I am one of those 'vulnerable' adults and that starts when being in hospital. But it has taken me many years to get this.

As I say have to go 'out of area' because of expertise in psychiatric drugs and would I want to be in Bootham Park Hospital no I wouldn't as there is no real service and spending it on a dud old building is a waste of money.

It needs a new one that is fit for the 21st century and deliver proper services to those that are in need and those that require protection.
Given that I have mental health services out of Leeds York Partnership Trust, I have a very good consultant out-of-area, I have to have one because of my genetic condition which is extremely complicated medically and also potentially psychiatrically. I also have out of the Commissioning Group counselling which is not done via the Trust but privately as it is cheaper. I am one of those 'vulnerable' adults and that starts when being in hospital. But it has taken me many years to get this. As I say have to go 'out of area' because of expertise in psychiatric drugs and would I want to be in Bootham Park Hospital no I wouldn't as there is no real service and spending it on a dud old building is a waste of money. It needs a new one that is fit for the 21st century and deliver proper services to those that are in need and those that require protection. Digeorge
  • Score: 4

9:30am Sat 26 Apr 14

molliedog says...

Dr Brian wrote:
I wonder what will happen to the patients at Peppermill Court? The Trust appear to be silent on this and what will happen to the staff there also? Why are the press not asking these questions instead of just reprinting the press release?
the patients at peppermill don,t seem to matter where the trust is concerned and neither do the staff for that matter...they havent even been told of the proposed moves once again they have to find out in the press ...it happened at mill lodge ...the trust dont seem to care what happens to staff or patients..about time the people at the top come into the places there going to shut down and realise how many peoples lives are affected by desisions made at the top
[quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: I wonder what will happen to the patients at Peppermill Court? The Trust appear to be silent on this and what will happen to the staff there also? Why are the press not asking these questions instead of just reprinting the press release?[/p][/quote]the patients at peppermill don,t seem to matter where the trust is concerned and neither do the staff for that matter...they havent even been told of the proposed moves once again they have to find out in the press ...it happened at mill lodge ...the trust dont seem to care what happens to staff or patients..about time the people at the top come into the places there going to shut down and realise how many peoples lives are affected by desisions made at the top molliedog
  • Score: 12

2:40pm Sun 27 Apr 14

CaroleBaines says...

Gerry2 wrote:
Certainly a wealth of possible patients to be found on Council. The ones who screwed up Lendal Bridge perhaps ????
Can we just keep council bashing at least to stories where it might be relevant? Getting wearing and having a laugh using mental disability isn't really that funny imho.
In terms of this story, would personally like to see money being used on care and maybe worrying a little less about buildings. Certainly while we are clearly skint as a nation and cuts are being made. Care in the Community stripped York and other cities of much needed patient-beds, would like to see this reversed if possible. Lets put people first while the crisis lasts and no be overly concerned about the building.
[quote][p][bold]Gerry2[/bold] wrote: Certainly a wealth of possible patients to be found on Council. The ones who screwed up Lendal Bridge perhaps ????[/p][/quote]Can we just keep council bashing at least to stories where it might be relevant? Getting wearing and having a laugh using mental disability isn't really that funny imho. In terms of this story, would personally like to see money being used on care and maybe worrying a little less about buildings. Certainly while we are clearly skint as a nation and cuts are being made. Care in the Community stripped York and other cities of much needed patient-beds, would like to see this reversed if possible. Lets put people first while the crisis lasts and no be overly concerned about the building. CaroleBaines
  • Score: 5

5:35pm Mon 28 Apr 14

lancysteve says...

...and how did staff working for the trust find this out?? through a news article with a memo sent round a few days later!

Millions have been spent on that hospital in recent years whilst it has been gradually reduced in its facilities e.g.number of wards, it perhaps is no longer fit for purpose but the alternative is going to be one of the old units whilst a new hospital is planned...and how many years will it take to actually be built?

Since Leeds NHS Trust have taken over they have gone through York mental health services like a dose of salts with a number of major changes, merges and cuts to services with patients suffering as a result not to mention the effect on morale of staff.

Too much power in the hands of those making crucial decisions which ultimately effects the provision of mental health care services for the York area.
...and how did staff working for the trust find this out?? through a news article with a memo sent round a few days later! Millions have been spent on that hospital in recent years whilst it has been gradually reduced in its facilities e.g.number of wards, it perhaps is no longer fit for purpose but the alternative is going to be one of the old units whilst a new hospital is planned...and how many years will it take to actually be built? Since Leeds NHS Trust have taken over they have gone through York mental health services like a dose of salts with a number of major changes, merges and cuts to services with patients suffering as a result not to mention the effect on morale of staff. Too much power in the hands of those making crucial decisions which ultimately effects the provision of mental health care services for the York area. lancysteve
  • Score: 3

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