Highways bosses sceptical on calls for 50mph speed limit on A64 at Bilbrough Top

York Press: Traffic on the A64 at Bilborough Traffic on the A64 at Bilborough

HIGHWAYS bosses have given a cool reception to calls for a 50 mph limit on a stretch of the A64 between York and Tadcaster.

Local Selby district councillor Richard Musgrave called for a reduction in the 70 mph limit at Bilbrough Top after the latest in a spate of accidents in March.

The three-vehicle crash happened less than 100 metres from the scene of a fatal crash in late 2012, and close to where a pedestrian was killed last November.

Cllr Musgrave and Selby and Ainsty MP Nigel Adams asked for a meeting with the Highways Agency and North Yorkshire Police to discuss a lower limit and various other suggestions to improve safety on the bendy stretch of dual carriageway.

Cllr Musgrave said yesterday that the meeting took place earlier this week, and he was grateful agency and police representatives had taken the time to attend and explain the hard work they were putting in to make the road safer.

"However, it's frustrating that we haven't been able to pinpoint the cause of so many serious accidents," he said.

"The stretch of the A64 a mile either side of Bilbrough Top is a particular concern to me and I am still not convinced that a 70mph limit is appropriate in that area."

An agency spokeswoman said safety was its highest priority and it constantly monitored accidents on the network to look for patterns, causes and trends that indicated a need for improvements which would lead to a reduction in accidents.

“The data for the A64 from Tadcaster to Bilborough shows an accident frequency rate which is less than half of the national average for a road of this type," she said. "The figures do show however that the severity of these accidents are higher than average.

“The proposal for a 50mph speed limit was not mentioned at the meeting. However, our road safety engineers have not recommended a permanent reduced speed limit as an effective means to address the accidents occurring at this location and the police would need to be consulted to determine if a 50mph limit was enforceable.”

She added that the agency would be carrying out a complete resurfacing of the A64 in this area later in the year to ensure the road condition remained safe.

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10:56am Thu 24 Apr 14

the-e-man says...

If a 50 mph speed limit is the answer then no need to police it. Just install cameras that record a vehicle's average speed. The cameras that record speed at a specific point are no use as locals know where they are and slow down for them and speed up after they pass them. I am against cameras which are used purely to raise income but if they solve a road safety problem then they should be used.
If a 50 mph speed limit is the answer then no need to police it. Just install cameras that record a vehicle's average speed. The cameras that record speed at a specific point are no use as locals know where they are and slow down for them and speed up after they pass them. I am against cameras which are used purely to raise income but if they solve a road safety problem then they should be used. the-e-man
  • Score: 187

10:58am Thu 24 Apr 14

Realistic ycfc says...

i would rather they banned tractors from using the A64 in rush hour
i would rather they banned tractors from using the A64 in rush hour Realistic ycfc
  • Score: 101

11:07am Thu 24 Apr 14

Mr Udigawa says...

If the eastbound bus stop was moved closer to the bridge at bilbrough lane end as was originally promised that would be a step in the right direction.
If the eastbound bus stop was moved closer to the bridge at bilbrough lane end as was originally promised that would be a step in the right direction. Mr Udigawa
  • Score: 108

11:13am Thu 24 Apr 14

BioLogic says...

The issue in this area in my opinion is two fold:

- firstly it is down to speed differentials, caused by very slow moving vehicles mixed in with faster vehicles, such as the tractors which caused accidents in the past few weeks. A reduced speed limit would not be effective in addressing that as even a 50mph speed limit would produce a massive speed differential such that high impact accidents could occur. The way to address this problem is to increase speeds by removing the farm vehicles. Close off the accesses and make the road the A64(M) which prevents farm vehicles from using the road. The junction infrastructure is already mostly there.

- pedestrians crossing the road. Alas there is little you can do to stop people doing stupid things. All of the bridges etc are there but people choose not to use them as it takes longer. Aside of educating you can't solve this with a 50mph limit. This would make traffic spacing lower (traffic bunches in a 50mph limit and you get more cars in less space) meaning less opportunity to cross, but the lower speeds will encourage people. Getting hit at 50mph will unfortunately be just as fatal as getting hit at 50mph.
The issue in this area in my opinion is two fold: - firstly it is down to speed differentials, caused by very slow moving vehicles mixed in with faster vehicles, such as the tractors which caused accidents in the past few weeks. A reduced speed limit would not be effective in addressing that as even a 50mph speed limit would produce a massive speed differential such that high impact accidents could occur. The way to address this problem is to increase speeds by removing the farm vehicles. Close off the accesses and make the road the A64(M) which prevents farm vehicles from using the road. The junction infrastructure is already mostly there. - pedestrians crossing the road. Alas there is little you can do to stop people doing stupid things. All of the bridges etc are there but people choose not to use them as it takes longer. Aside of educating you can't solve this with a 50mph limit. This would make traffic spacing lower (traffic bunches in a 50mph limit and you get more cars in less space) meaning less opportunity to cross, but the lower speeds will encourage people. Getting hit at 50mph will unfortunately be just as fatal as getting hit at 50mph. BioLogic
  • Score: 61

11:33am Thu 24 Apr 14

pedalling paul says...

Disgraceful comments about the farmers....would you rather eat imported food.....?
Disgraceful comments about the farmers....would you rather eat imported food.....? pedalling paul
  • Score: -4305

11:41am Thu 24 Apr 14

Mr Udigawa says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Disgraceful comments about the farmers....would you rather eat imported food.....?
Agreed Paul, Tractors don't cause accidents, idiotic drivers driving too close, too fast and not anticipating changing road conditions do that. When was the last time that a tractor ploughed into the back of a queue of traffic?
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Disgraceful comments about the farmers....would you rather eat imported food.....?[/p][/quote]Agreed Paul, Tractors don't cause accidents, idiotic drivers driving too close, too fast and not anticipating changing road conditions do that. When was the last time that a tractor ploughed into the back of a queue of traffic? Mr Udigawa
  • Score: 81

11:53am Thu 24 Apr 14

Just zis guy, you know? says...

A 50mph limit won't stop some people from driving like complete idiots.
Fact.
A 50mph limit won't stop some people from driving like complete idiots. Fact. Just zis guy, you know?
  • Score: 102

11:58am Thu 24 Apr 14

BL2 says...

A 50mph limit won't make the slightest difference!
A 50mph limit won't make the slightest difference! BL2
  • Score: 46

12:07pm Thu 24 Apr 14

The Great Buda says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Disgraceful comments about the farmers....would you rather eat imported food.....?
Trolling again Paul?

Very shamefull of you to twist the comments in such a way.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Disgraceful comments about the farmers....would you rather eat imported food.....?[/p][/quote]Trolling again Paul? Very shamefull of you to twist the comments in such a way. The Great Buda
  • Score: 97

12:09pm Thu 24 Apr 14

The Great Buda says...

BioLogic wrote:
The issue in this area in my opinion is two fold:

- firstly it is down to speed differentials, caused by very slow moving vehicles mixed in with faster vehicles, such as the tractors which caused accidents in the past few weeks. A reduced speed limit would not be effective in addressing that as even a 50mph speed limit would produce a massive speed differential such that high impact accidents could occur. The way to address this problem is to increase speeds by removing the farm vehicles. Close off the accesses and make the road the A64(M) which prevents farm vehicles from using the road. The junction infrastructure is already mostly there.

- pedestrians crossing the road. Alas there is little you can do to stop people doing stupid things. All of the bridges etc are there but people choose not to use them as it takes longer. Aside of educating you can't solve this with a 50mph limit. This would make traffic spacing lower (traffic bunches in a 50mph limit and you get more cars in less space) meaning less opportunity to cross, but the lower speeds will encourage people. Getting hit at 50mph will unfortunately be just as fatal as getting hit at 50mph.
Agreed on both points, although some money will need to be spent on the roads surronding the area so the Farmers can still go about their buisness with ease.

Better provision of foot and cycle bridges would improve things no end.
[quote][p][bold]BioLogic[/bold] wrote: The issue in this area in my opinion is two fold: - firstly it is down to speed differentials, caused by very slow moving vehicles mixed in with faster vehicles, such as the tractors which caused accidents in the past few weeks. A reduced speed limit would not be effective in addressing that as even a 50mph speed limit would produce a massive speed differential such that high impact accidents could occur. The way to address this problem is to increase speeds by removing the farm vehicles. Close off the accesses and make the road the A64(M) which prevents farm vehicles from using the road. The junction infrastructure is already mostly there. - pedestrians crossing the road. Alas there is little you can do to stop people doing stupid things. All of the bridges etc are there but people choose not to use them as it takes longer. Aside of educating you can't solve this with a 50mph limit. This would make traffic spacing lower (traffic bunches in a 50mph limit and you get more cars in less space) meaning less opportunity to cross, but the lower speeds will encourage people. Getting hit at 50mph will unfortunately be just as fatal as getting hit at 50mph.[/p][/quote]Agreed on both points, although some money will need to be spent on the roads surronding the area so the Farmers can still go about their buisness with ease. Better provision of foot and cycle bridges would improve things no end. The Great Buda
  • Score: 135

12:16pm Thu 24 Apr 14

pedalling paul says...

The Great Buda wrote:
BioLogic wrote:
The issue in this area in my opinion is two fold:

- firstly it is down to speed differentials, caused by very slow moving vehicles mixed in with faster vehicles, such as the tractors which caused accidents in the past few weeks. A reduced speed limit would not be effective in addressing that as even a 50mph speed limit would produce a massive speed differential such that high impact accidents could occur. The way to address this problem is to increase speeds by removing the farm vehicles. Close off the accesses and make the road the A64(M) which prevents farm vehicles from using the road. The junction infrastructure is already mostly there.

- pedestrians crossing the road. Alas there is little you can do to stop people doing stupid things. All of the bridges etc are there but people choose not to use them as it takes longer. Aside of educating you can't solve this with a 50mph limit. This would make traffic spacing lower (traffic bunches in a 50mph limit and you get more cars in less space) meaning less opportunity to cross, but the lower speeds will encourage people. Getting hit at 50mph will unfortunately be just as fatal as getting hit at 50mph.
Agreed on both points, although some money will need to be spent on the roads surronding the area so the Farmers can still go about their buisness with ease.

Better provision of foot and cycle bridges would improve things no end.
Unfortunately the Highways Agency have a poor historic record of providing for non-motorised travellers to safely cross trunk roads and motoways.
However after a time trialling cyclist was sadly killed near York while riding along the A64, the HA spent a small fortune creating jug handle junctions across high speed exit slip roads, in case more cyclists were minded to make similar journeys.
A bridge has to satisfy an environmental impact assessment, to avoid building a blot on the landscape. Presumably the trunk road carrying thousands of vehicles per day, is not similarly regarded as a blot by HIghway Engineers.
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BioLogic[/bold] wrote: The issue in this area in my opinion is two fold: - firstly it is down to speed differentials, caused by very slow moving vehicles mixed in with faster vehicles, such as the tractors which caused accidents in the past few weeks. A reduced speed limit would not be effective in addressing that as even a 50mph speed limit would produce a massive speed differential such that high impact accidents could occur. The way to address this problem is to increase speeds by removing the farm vehicles. Close off the accesses and make the road the A64(M) which prevents farm vehicles from using the road. The junction infrastructure is already mostly there. - pedestrians crossing the road. Alas there is little you can do to stop people doing stupid things. All of the bridges etc are there but people choose not to use them as it takes longer. Aside of educating you can't solve this with a 50mph limit. This would make traffic spacing lower (traffic bunches in a 50mph limit and you get more cars in less space) meaning less opportunity to cross, but the lower speeds will encourage people. Getting hit at 50mph will unfortunately be just as fatal as getting hit at 50mph.[/p][/quote]Agreed on both points, although some money will need to be spent on the roads surronding the area so the Farmers can still go about their buisness with ease. Better provision of foot and cycle bridges would improve things no end.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately the Highways Agency have a poor historic record of providing for non-motorised travellers to safely cross trunk roads and motoways. However after a time trialling cyclist was sadly killed near York while riding along the A64, the HA spent a small fortune creating jug handle junctions across high speed exit slip roads, in case more cyclists were minded to make similar journeys. A bridge has to satisfy an environmental impact assessment, to avoid building a blot on the landscape. Presumably the trunk road carrying thousands of vehicles per day, is not similarly regarded as a blot by HIghway Engineers. pedalling paul
  • Score: 77

12:30pm Thu 24 Apr 14

uriahh says...

the-e-man wrote:
If a 50 mph speed limit is the answer then no need to police it. Just install cameras that record a vehicle's average speed. The cameras that record speed at a specific point are no use as locals know where they are and slow down for them and speed up after they pass them. I am against cameras which are used purely to raise income but if they solve a road safety problem then they should be used.
Take a trip down this road anytime and you'll see 2 major causes of these accidents, neither of which is due to travelling at 70 mph!.

Too many drivers don't indicate when they're changing lane in congested traffic or indicate far too late and try last minute overtaking as a means of travelling faster - increasing the chance of an impact with adjacent vehicles a.

Too many drive far too close to the vehicle in front, giving no chance of hitting the vehicle in front if there is a sudden slow down in traffic.

Keep the 70 mph limit and simply put CCTV cameras there to record and give maximum fines and penalties to transgressors!
[quote][p][bold]the-e-man[/bold] wrote: If a 50 mph speed limit is the answer then no need to police it. Just install cameras that record a vehicle's average speed. The cameras that record speed at a specific point are no use as locals know where they are and slow down for them and speed up after they pass them. I am against cameras which are used purely to raise income but if they solve a road safety problem then they should be used.[/p][/quote]Take a trip down this road anytime and you'll see 2 major causes of these accidents, neither of which is due to travelling at 70 mph!. Too many drivers don't indicate when they're changing lane in congested traffic or indicate far too late and try last minute overtaking as a means of travelling faster - increasing the chance of an impact with adjacent vehicles a. Too many drive far too close to the vehicle in front, giving no chance of hitting the vehicle in front if there is a sudden slow down in traffic. Keep the 70 mph limit and simply put CCTV cameras there to record and give maximum fines and penalties to transgressors! uriahh
  • Score: 46

12:41pm Thu 24 Apr 14

tew123 says...

Does anyone know where the 'A64 data' comes from? “The data for the A64 from Tadcaster to Bilborough shows an accident frequency rate which is less than half of the national average for a road of this type," she said. My crash was serious but as no one died is probably not included in this data. I know at the time of my crash the police had very little involvement as their hands are tied unless there is a serious injury or a fatality. There are so many near misses that will not be reported so how do we know this data is accurate. All sounds a bit vague to me. The police know it's a hot spot as the patrol cars sit there on purpose to try and slow the traffic down, the police were at the meeting so did they not mention their concerns or do the highways agency just choose to ignore it?
Does anyone know where the 'A64 data' comes from? “The data for the A64 from Tadcaster to Bilborough shows an accident frequency rate which is less than half of the national average for a road of this type," she said. My crash was serious but as no one died is probably not included in this data. I know at the time of my crash the police had very little involvement as their hands are tied unless there is a serious injury or a fatality. There are so many near misses that will not be reported so how do we know this data is accurate. All sounds a bit vague to me. The police know it's a hot spot as the patrol cars sit there on purpose to try and slow the traffic down, the police were at the meeting so did they not mention their concerns or do the highways agency just choose to ignore it? tew123
  • Score: 32

12:45pm Thu 24 Apr 14

ouseswimmer says...

With so many pedestrians crossing the road here I'm surprised they haven't made it a 20mph zone. Tractors seem to be the root cause of many accidents here. How many times I have been stuck behind a tractor which refuses to pull in and allow people to overtake safely? Countless. I see them with a taliback of 20 cars pass several laybys where they could stop but no they seem to be in a rush at 20mph for some reason. Perhaps they should have a police escort?
With so many pedestrians crossing the road here I'm surprised they haven't made it a 20mph zone. Tractors seem to be the root cause of many accidents here. How many times I have been stuck behind a tractor which refuses to pull in and allow people to overtake safely? Countless. I see them with a taliback of 20 cars pass several laybys where they could stop but no they seem to be in a rush at 20mph for some reason. Perhaps they should have a police escort? ouseswimmer
  • Score: 45

12:53pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Realistic ycfc says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Disgraceful comments about the farmers....would you rather eat imported food.....?
i would rather be able to access mcdonalds without the traffic chaos created by these tractors PP.....
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Disgraceful comments about the farmers....would you rather eat imported food.....?[/p][/quote]i would rather be able to access mcdonalds without the traffic chaos created by these tractors PP..... Realistic ycfc
  • Score: 107

1:13pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Mr Udigawa wrote:
pedalling paul wrote: Disgraceful comments about the farmers....would you rather eat imported food.....?
Agreed Paul, Tractors don't cause accidents, idiotic drivers driving too close, too fast and not anticipating changing road conditions do that. When was the last time that a tractor ploughed into the back of a queue of traffic?
Both morons. People have to overtake tractors on many of the outer roads which leads to accidents. Why do they do this? well if you travel at 20mph when the limit is 60mph and you want to get somewhere without it taking 3 times longer you need to overtake. Mr Udigawa you are right a tractor doesnt go into the back of people.. maybe because there is no one slowing the tractor up for them to go into?? just a thought...

As for eating imported food paul have a look at what you buy and where it came from. England is anything but a farmers shop paradise. Do you think the local farmers sell their produce to tesco??? no...
[quote][p][bold]Mr Udigawa[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Disgraceful comments about the farmers....would you rather eat imported food.....?[/p][/quote]Agreed Paul, Tractors don't cause accidents, idiotic drivers driving too close, too fast and not anticipating changing road conditions do that. When was the last time that a tractor ploughed into the back of a queue of traffic?[/p][/quote]Both morons. People have to overtake tractors on many of the outer roads which leads to accidents. Why do they do this? well if you travel at 20mph when the limit is 60mph and you want to get somewhere without it taking 3 times longer you need to overtake. Mr Udigawa you are right a tractor doesnt go into the back of people.. maybe because there is no one slowing the tractor up for them to go into?? just a thought... As for eating imported food paul have a look at what you buy and where it came from. England is anything but a farmers shop paradise. Do you think the local farmers sell their produce to tesco??? no... Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 47

1:15pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

the-e-man wrote:
If a 50 mph speed limit is the answer then no need to police it. Just install cameras that record a vehicle's average speed. The cameras that record speed at a specific point are no use as locals know where they are and slow down for them and speed up after they pass them. I am against cameras which are used purely to raise income but if they solve a road safety problem then they should be used.
Yes put the average speed cameras in at a service station. That way when you speed past the first one at 90mph.. pop for a big mac and speed off at 90mph again you average speed will come up around 10mph...

might i suggest that the reason there are accidents there is that the lane joining on from the services is not long enough for people to get up to speed. I've seen the eldely going on to the a64 at around 40mph.. to car in the slow lane travelling at say 60mph and unable to pull out due to the speed of the fast lane this causes issues...
[quote][p][bold]the-e-man[/bold] wrote: If a 50 mph speed limit is the answer then no need to police it. Just install cameras that record a vehicle's average speed. The cameras that record speed at a specific point are no use as locals know where they are and slow down for them and speed up after they pass them. I am against cameras which are used purely to raise income but if they solve a road safety problem then they should be used.[/p][/quote]Yes put the average speed cameras in at a service station. That way when you speed past the first one at 90mph.. pop for a big mac and speed off at 90mph again you average speed will come up around 10mph... might i suggest that the reason there are accidents there is that the lane joining on from the services is not long enough for people to get up to speed. I've seen the eldely going on to the a64 at around 40mph.. to car in the slow lane travelling at say 60mph and unable to pull out due to the speed of the fast lane this causes issues... Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 105

1:20pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

pedalling paul wrote:
The Great Buda wrote:
BioLogic wrote: The issue in this area in my opinion is two fold: - firstly it is down to speed differentials, caused by very slow moving vehicles mixed in with faster vehicles, such as the tractors which caused accidents in the past few weeks. A reduced speed limit would not be effective in addressing that as even a 50mph speed limit would produce a massive speed differential such that high impact accidents could occur. The way to address this problem is to increase speeds by removing the farm vehicles. Close off the accesses and make the road the A64(M) which prevents farm vehicles from using the road. The junction infrastructure is already mostly there. - pedestrians crossing the road. Alas there is little you can do to stop people doing stupid things. All of the bridges etc are there but people choose not to use them as it takes longer. Aside of educating you can't solve this with a 50mph limit. This would make traffic spacing lower (traffic bunches in a 50mph limit and you get more cars in less space) meaning less opportunity to cross, but the lower speeds will encourage people. Getting hit at 50mph will unfortunately be just as fatal as getting hit at 50mph.
Agreed on both points, although some money will need to be spent on the roads surronding the area so the Farmers can still go about their buisness with ease. Better provision of foot and cycle bridges would improve things no end.
Unfortunately the Highways Agency have a poor historic record of providing for non-motorised travellers to safely cross trunk roads and motoways. However after a time trialling cyclist was sadly killed near York while riding along the A64, the HA spent a small fortune creating jug handle junctions across high speed exit slip roads, in case more cyclists were minded to make similar journeys. A bridge has to satisfy an environmental impact assessment, to avoid building a blot on the landscape. Presumably the trunk road carrying thousands of vehicles per day, is not similarly regarded as a blot by HIghway Engineers.
People take their own chances by skipping over that road... there is a bridge over it. If they are too lazy to use it then fool on them. A MIN of 300k is needed for a small footbridge (as I’ve build them before) one spanning the a64 would be double that. And can the cost be justified for the amount of pedestrians and cyclists that would use it? no...

Cyclists should not be near a 70mph speed limit road and pedestrians should use the correct route to safely pass these roads.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BioLogic[/bold] wrote: The issue in this area in my opinion is two fold: - firstly it is down to speed differentials, caused by very slow moving vehicles mixed in with faster vehicles, such as the tractors which caused accidents in the past few weeks. A reduced speed limit would not be effective in addressing that as even a 50mph speed limit would produce a massive speed differential such that high impact accidents could occur. The way to address this problem is to increase speeds by removing the farm vehicles. Close off the accesses and make the road the A64(M) which prevents farm vehicles from using the road. The junction infrastructure is already mostly there. - pedestrians crossing the road. Alas there is little you can do to stop people doing stupid things. All of the bridges etc are there but people choose not to use them as it takes longer. Aside of educating you can't solve this with a 50mph limit. This would make traffic spacing lower (traffic bunches in a 50mph limit and you get more cars in less space) meaning less opportunity to cross, but the lower speeds will encourage people. Getting hit at 50mph will unfortunately be just as fatal as getting hit at 50mph.[/p][/quote]Agreed on both points, although some money will need to be spent on the roads surronding the area so the Farmers can still go about their buisness with ease. Better provision of foot and cycle bridges would improve things no end.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately the Highways Agency have a poor historic record of providing for non-motorised travellers to safely cross trunk roads and motoways. However after a time trialling cyclist was sadly killed near York while riding along the A64, the HA spent a small fortune creating jug handle junctions across high speed exit slip roads, in case more cyclists were minded to make similar journeys. A bridge has to satisfy an environmental impact assessment, to avoid building a blot on the landscape. Presumably the trunk road carrying thousands of vehicles per day, is not similarly regarded as a blot by HIghway Engineers.[/p][/quote]People take their own chances by skipping over that road... there is a bridge over it. If they are too lazy to use it then fool on them. A MIN of 300k is needed for a small footbridge (as I’ve build them before) one spanning the a64 would be double that. And can the cost be justified for the amount of pedestrians and cyclists that would use it? no... Cyclists should not be near a 70mph speed limit road and pedestrians should use the correct route to safely pass these roads. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 79

1:24pm Thu 24 Apr 14

TheLumpster says...

I use the road every day to commute to Leeds in the morning and I struggle to get anywhere near to 70mph in rush hour due to heavy traffic and, as people have already said, frequent tractors / JCBs creating long tailbacks. Even the police seem to have cottoned on to this fact as the mobile camera van is not parked up at the side of the road near the first Tadcaster exit very often these days when in the past it seemed to be an almost permanent fixture.
I use the road every day to commute to Leeds in the morning and I struggle to get anywhere near to 70mph in rush hour due to heavy traffic and, as people have already said, frequent tractors / JCBs creating long tailbacks. Even the police seem to have cottoned on to this fact as the mobile camera van is not parked up at the side of the road near the first Tadcaster exit very often these days when in the past it seemed to be an almost permanent fixture. TheLumpster
  • Score: 34

1:42pm Thu 24 Apr 14

4yorks says...

What a load of codswallop, 70mph is too slow as it is, never mind 50. I personally travel at 85 on the A64 Westbound ( apart from the bit past Tadcaster as that is where the speed camera van parks)

I was driving down the A64 the other day at 3am after returning from the airport, I set the cruise control to 100 and was home in no time.

All you safety nuts need to get a life
What a load of codswallop, 70mph is too slow as it is, never mind 50. I personally travel at 85 on the A64 Westbound ( apart from the bit past Tadcaster as that is where the speed camera van parks) I was driving down the A64 the other day at 3am after returning from the airport, I set the cruise control to 100 and was home in no time. All you safety nuts need to get a life 4yorks
  • Score: 28

1:48pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Just zis guy, you know? says...

4yorks wrote:
What a load of codswallop, 70mph is too slow as it is, never mind 50. I personally travel at 85 on the A64 Westbound ( apart from the bit past Tadcaster as that is where the speed camera van parks)

I was driving down the A64 the other day at 3am after returning from the airport, I set the cruise control to 100 and was home in no time.

All you safety nuts need to get a life
And you need to get the hell off the roads.
[quote][p][bold]4yorks[/bold] wrote: What a load of codswallop, 70mph is too slow as it is, never mind 50. I personally travel at 85 on the A64 Westbound ( apart from the bit past Tadcaster as that is where the speed camera van parks) I was driving down the A64 the other day at 3am after returning from the airport, I set the cruise control to 100 and was home in no time. All you safety nuts need to get a life[/p][/quote]And you need to get the hell off the roads. Just zis guy, you know?
  • Score: 46

1:53pm Thu 24 Apr 14

pedalling paul says...

Just zis guy, you know? wrote:
4yorks wrote:
What a load of codswallop, 70mph is too slow as it is, never mind 50. I personally travel at 85 on the A64 Westbound ( apart from the bit past Tadcaster as that is where the speed camera van parks)

I was driving down the A64 the other day at 3am after returning from the airport, I set the cruise control to 100 and was home in no time.

All you safety nuts need to get a life
And you need to get the hell off the roads.
What a silly Billy you are. No wonder the emergency services are kept busy. Are you so unafraid to drive without regard for the potential consequences of excess speed.both to yourself and other road users.
[quote][p][bold]Just zis guy, you know?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]4yorks[/bold] wrote: What a load of codswallop, 70mph is too slow as it is, never mind 50. I personally travel at 85 on the A64 Westbound ( apart from the bit past Tadcaster as that is where the speed camera van parks) I was driving down the A64 the other day at 3am after returning from the airport, I set the cruise control to 100 and was home in no time. All you safety nuts need to get a life[/p][/quote]And you need to get the hell off the roads.[/p][/quote]What a silly Billy you are. No wonder the emergency services are kept busy. Are you so unafraid to drive without regard for the potential consequences of excess speed.both to yourself and other road users. pedalling paul
  • Score: 29

1:54pm Thu 24 Apr 14

MrMr says...

PP...It is widely thought by the right minded people who comment on here, that you are a bigoted idiot, who's soul desire is to see the demise of the motor car, so frankly your thoughts and comments on how you perceive car drivers are pretty skewed in any case.

Most of the serious accidents around these junctions have involved tractors and/or lorries. The tractors pull straight out without giving a thought to what is approaching, as they are secure in their several tonnes of vehicles.
I have seen the driver's grinning from ear to ear, when they do this, it seems something of a game to some of them.
The problem is when they do this on a 40 tonne lorry. The poor lorry drivers is often forced to take evasive action and pull into the outside lane, or risk being unable to stop for the tractor. AGAIN something I have seen on many occasions travelling on the A64.
Some will argue that the lorry should be able to stop...those that do, please read up on Newton's second law!

I think the farmers may need to take their tractors onto the A64, however, why do they seem to have more on during rush hour?

A ban on the A64 for tractors between 4pm and 7pm for the evening and 6am and 9am in the morning would help relieve the problem.
We have to make some changes, the speed of 70mph has never been an issue, it's the differential in speed of the traffic that has caused these terrible disasters for those bereaved families
PP...It is widely thought by the right minded people who comment on here, that you are a bigoted idiot, who's soul desire is to see the demise of the motor car, so frankly your thoughts and comments on how you perceive car drivers are pretty skewed in any case. Most of the serious accidents around these junctions have involved tractors and/or lorries. The tractors pull straight out without giving a thought to what is approaching, as they are secure in their several tonnes of vehicles. I have seen the driver's grinning from ear to ear, when they do this, it seems something of a game to some of them. The problem is when they do this on a 40 tonne lorry. The poor lorry drivers is often forced to take evasive action and pull into the outside lane, or risk being unable to stop for the tractor. AGAIN something I have seen on many occasions travelling on the A64. Some will argue that the lorry should be able to stop...those that do, please read up on Newton's second law! I think the farmers may need to take their tractors onto the A64, however, why do they seem to have more on during rush hour? A ban on the A64 for tractors between 4pm and 7pm for the evening and 6am and 9am in the morning would help relieve the problem. We have to make some changes, the speed of 70mph has never been an issue, it's the differential in speed of the traffic that has caused these terrible disasters for those bereaved families MrMr
  • Score: 14

2:00pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Loollah says...

I personally think a 50mph speed limit in that area would be a positive step toward reducing the number of accidents around Bilborough Top. I've thought this for a long time!

It's been proven to work in other accident hot spots such as the A1 around Elkesley in Nottinghamshire. That stretch of road was once a horrendous place for accidents, the 50mph speed limit has seriously contributed toward a reduction in accidents.
I personally think a 50mph speed limit in that area would be a positive step toward reducing the number of accidents around Bilborough Top. I've thought this for a long time! It's been proven to work in other accident hot spots such as the A1 around Elkesley in Nottinghamshire. That stretch of road was once a horrendous place for accidents, the 50mph speed limit has seriously contributed toward a reduction in accidents. Loollah
  • Score: 118

2:01pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Fabius the Delayer says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Disgraceful comments about the farmers....would you rather eat imported food.....?
How about compulsory Eye tests every year just to keep your driving licence.
Instead of waiting for the myopic Biddies to crash first before nicely insisting they get off the road.
This i suggest would save more accidents than the Whole national speed (trap) camera campaign.. Discuss …..
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Disgraceful comments about the farmers....would you rather eat imported food.....?[/p][/quote]How about compulsory Eye tests every year just to keep your driving licence. Instead of waiting for the myopic Biddies to crash first before nicely insisting they get off the road. This i suggest would save more accidents than the Whole national speed (trap) camera campaign.. Discuss ….. Fabius the Delayer
  • Score: 3

2:04pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Fabius the Delayer says...

Realistic ycfc wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Disgraceful comments about the farmers....would you rather eat imported food.....?
i would rather be able to access mcdonalds without the traffic chaos created by these tractors PP.....
Rather than the factory farmed, hydroponically bloated, muck that's churned out by the subsidy obsessed land blockers .. Yes !!

Tractors , JCBs, Combines, Horse boxes & BICYCLES should all be on a curfew, to keep them off the roads at peak times,
and id make them pay some bl**dy road tax and insurance for the privilege
[quote][p][bold]Realistic ycfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Disgraceful comments about the farmers....would you rather eat imported food.....?[/p][/quote]i would rather be able to access mcdonalds without the traffic chaos created by these tractors PP.....[/p][/quote]Rather than the factory farmed, hydroponically bloated, muck that's churned out by the subsidy obsessed land blockers .. Yes !! Tractors , JCBs, Combines, Horse boxes & BICYCLES should all be on a curfew, to keep them off the roads at peak times, and id make them pay some bl**dy road tax and insurance for the privilege Fabius the Delayer
  • Score: 3

2:38pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Mr Udigawa says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Mr Udigawa wrote:
pedalling paul wrote: Disgraceful comments about the farmers....would you rather eat imported food.....?
Agreed Paul, Tractors don't cause accidents, idiotic drivers driving too close, too fast and not anticipating changing road conditions do that. When was the last time that a tractor ploughed into the back of a queue of traffic?
Both morons. People have to overtake tractors on many of the outer roads which leads to accidents. Why do they do this? well if you travel at 20mph when the limit is 60mph and you want to get somewhere without it taking 3 times longer you need to overtake. Mr Udigawa you are right a tractor doesnt go into the back of people.. maybe because there is no one slowing the tractor up for them to go into?? just a thought... As for eating imported food paul have a look at what you buy and where it came from. England is anything but a farmers shop paradise. Do you think the local farmers sell their produce to tesco??? no...
I travel up and down this stretch of road every day and I can honestly say I've never had to take evasive action to avoid hitting a tractor or other vehicle.
Using my observational skills I scan the road ahead and any side roads and slip roads and adjust my speed and direction as neccessary. When in a slow moving queue of traffic I leave enough space to be able to stop safely should the need arise, and I also readjust my speed to safely allow any vehicles to join my lane should they wish to do so.
Tractors and other vehicles have a right and a need to use this road and have never posed a danger to me.
Perhaps you and a few others need to brush up on your driving skills.

Re pedestrians crossing thsi road, I have also seen several people trying to cross, and several people have been killed over the years while attempting to do so, the sad fact is that what is a 20 second journey across the 64 can take over 40 Minutes by using the bridge. The bus stops should have been moved closer to the bridge so at least it is in sight and obvious. My heart goes out to anyone who has lost someone on this road, My lad works at Maccy D's & I have made him promise never to try to take the shortcut.
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Udigawa[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Disgraceful comments about the farmers....would you rather eat imported food.....?[/p][/quote]Agreed Paul, Tractors don't cause accidents, idiotic drivers driving too close, too fast and not anticipating changing road conditions do that. When was the last time that a tractor ploughed into the back of a queue of traffic?[/p][/quote]Both morons. People have to overtake tractors on many of the outer roads which leads to accidents. Why do they do this? well if you travel at 20mph when the limit is 60mph and you want to get somewhere without it taking 3 times longer you need to overtake. Mr Udigawa you are right a tractor doesnt go into the back of people.. maybe because there is no one slowing the tractor up for them to go into?? just a thought... As for eating imported food paul have a look at what you buy and where it came from. England is anything but a farmers shop paradise. Do you think the local farmers sell their produce to tesco??? no...[/p][/quote]I travel up and down this stretch of road every day and I can honestly say I've never had to take evasive action to avoid hitting a tractor or other vehicle. Using my observational skills I scan the road ahead and any side roads and slip roads and adjust my speed and direction as neccessary. When in a slow moving queue of traffic I leave enough space to be able to stop safely should the need arise, and I also readjust my speed to safely allow any vehicles to join my lane should they wish to do so. Tractors and other vehicles have a right and a need to use this road and have never posed a danger to me. Perhaps you and a few others need to brush up on your driving skills. Re pedestrians crossing thsi road, I have also seen several people trying to cross, and several people have been killed over the years while attempting to do so, the sad fact is that what is a 20 second journey across the 64 can take over 40 Minutes by using the bridge. The bus stops should have been moved closer to the bridge so at least it is in sight and obvious. My heart goes out to anyone who has lost someone on this road, My lad works at Maccy D's & I have made him promise never to try to take the shortcut. Mr Udigawa
  • Score: 6

2:44pm Thu 24 Apr 14

piaggio1 says...

Dont forget caravans as well.NOW they should be on restricted travel.
Bane of my life them things.part time p*k*ys
Dont forget caravans as well.NOW they should be on restricted travel. Bane of my life them things.part time p*k*ys piaggio1
  • Score: 10

3:01pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Mr Udigawa says...

Fabius the Delayer wrote:
pedalling paul wrote: Disgraceful comments about the farmers....would you rather eat imported food.....?
How about compulsory Eye tests every year just to keep your driving licence. Instead of waiting for the myopic Biddies to crash first before nicely insisting they get off the road. This i suggest would save more accidents than the Whole national speed (trap) camera campaign.. Discuss …..
Not sure about the Biddie bit, young people are statistically more likely to have an RTA than the elderly
[quote][p][bold]Fabius the Delayer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Disgraceful comments about the farmers....would you rather eat imported food.....?[/p][/quote]How about compulsory Eye tests every year just to keep your driving licence. Instead of waiting for the myopic Biddies to crash first before nicely insisting they get off the road. This i suggest would save more accidents than the Whole national speed (trap) camera campaign.. Discuss …..[/p][/quote]Not sure about the Biddie bit, young people are statistically more likely to have an RTA than the elderly Mr Udigawa
  • Score: 4

3:06pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Mr Udigawa says...

piaggio1 wrote:
Dont forget caravans as well.NOW they should be on restricted travel. Bane of my life them things.part time p*k*ys
Surprised you can get enough speed up or keep going for long enough on your hairdyer to catch them up :-)
[quote][p][bold]piaggio1[/bold] wrote: Dont forget caravans as well.NOW they should be on restricted travel. Bane of my life them things.part time p*k*ys[/p][/quote]Surprised you can get enough speed up or keep going for long enough on your hairdyer to catch them up :-) Mr Udigawa
  • Score: 75

3:21pm Thu 24 Apr 14

cfromyork says...

Westbound I believe the problem starts at the junction where the A1237 at Copmanthorpe joins the A64. I believe the slip road here is not long enough. I've seen countless cars stopping at the end of the slip road because they cannot merge in. Then cars behind them are having to break unexpectedly. From here cars drive practically bumper to bumper to Bilbrough Top and beyond. A longer slip road for the amount of traffic that uses this junction would certainly help.
Westbound I believe the problem starts at the junction where the A1237 at Copmanthorpe joins the A64. I believe the slip road here is not long enough. I've seen countless cars stopping at the end of the slip road because they cannot merge in. Then cars behind them are having to break unexpectedly. From here cars drive practically bumper to bumper to Bilbrough Top and beyond. A longer slip road for the amount of traffic that uses this junction would certainly help. cfromyork
  • Score: 72

3:31pm Thu 24 Apr 14

sonorbloke says...

MrMr wrote:
PP...It is widely thought by the right minded people who comment on here, that you are a bigoted idiot, who's soul desire is to see the demise of the motor car, so frankly your thoughts and comments on how you perceive car drivers are pretty skewed in any case. Most of the serious accidents around these junctions have involved tractors and/or lorries. The tractors pull straight out without giving a thought to what is approaching, as they are secure in their several tonnes of vehicles. I have seen the driver's grinning from ear to ear, when they do this, it seems something of a game to some of them. The problem is when they do this on a 40 tonne lorry. The poor lorry drivers is often forced to take evasive action and pull into the outside lane, or risk being unable to stop for the tractor. AGAIN something I have seen on many occasions travelling on the A64. Some will argue that the lorry should be able to stop...those that do, please read up on Newton's second law! I think the farmers may need to take their tractors onto the A64, however, why do they seem to have more on during rush hour? A ban on the A64 for tractors between 4pm and 7pm for the evening and 6am and 9am in the morning would help relieve the problem. We have to make some changes, the speed of 70mph has never been an issue, it's the differential in speed of the traffic that has caused these terrible disasters for those bereaved families
The banning of tractors on the A64 at these times has a precedent, as such bans are in place on the A1 around Newcastle, for similar reasons, ie tractors and vehicles on a free flowing but busy 70mph dual carriageway don't mix.
[quote][p][bold]MrMr[/bold] wrote: PP...It is widely thought by the right minded people who comment on here, that you are a bigoted idiot, who's soul desire is to see the demise of the motor car, so frankly your thoughts and comments on how you perceive car drivers are pretty skewed in any case. Most of the serious accidents around these junctions have involved tractors and/or lorries. The tractors pull straight out without giving a thought to what is approaching, as they are secure in their several tonnes of vehicles. I have seen the driver's grinning from ear to ear, when they do this, it seems something of a game to some of them. The problem is when they do this on a 40 tonne lorry. The poor lorry drivers is often forced to take evasive action and pull into the outside lane, or risk being unable to stop for the tractor. AGAIN something I have seen on many occasions travelling on the A64. Some will argue that the lorry should be able to stop...those that do, please read up on Newton's second law! I think the farmers may need to take their tractors onto the A64, however, why do they seem to have more on during rush hour? A ban on the A64 for tractors between 4pm and 7pm for the evening and 6am and 9am in the morning would help relieve the problem. We have to make some changes, the speed of 70mph has never been an issue, it's the differential in speed of the traffic that has caused these terrible disasters for those bereaved families[/p][/quote]The banning of tractors on the A64 at these times has a precedent, as such bans are in place on the A1 around Newcastle, for similar reasons, ie tractors and vehicles on a free flowing but busy 70mph dual carriageway don't mix. sonorbloke
  • Score: 11

3:35pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

If you want to stop pedestrians being killed as they cross this busy dual carriageway, you need to lower the speed limit to 20mph, not 50mph. Or convince the idiots crossing on foot that it's not a good idea and to use the bridge.

But, worse, a speed restriction on this road would mean bunching - and a load of subsequent accidents - all the way back in both directions to York Ring Road or Tadcaster.

What a gormless idea.
If you want to stop pedestrians being killed as they cross this busy dual carriageway, you need to lower the speed limit to 20mph, not 50mph. Or convince the idiots crossing on foot that it's not a good idea and to use the bridge. But, worse, a speed restriction on this road would mean bunching - and a load of subsequent accidents - all the way back in both directions to York Ring Road or Tadcaster. What a gormless idea. Ignatius Lumpopo
  • Score: 6

3:46pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Local lassie says...

Seriously think they should be looking the slip roads onto the A64. At Bilbrough Top traffic comes out of the services on a very short run of road and some people just seem to think they can pull straight out into the traffic, they do not register that if they pull straight out the traffic on the inside lane of the A64 either has to brake, run up their backside or an automatic reaction is to pull right to get out of the way - possibly taking out someone overtaking them in the outside lane. The garage\services and restaurant on the Eastbound side has the same problem - traffic pulling out with nowhere to go when there's already traffic in both lanes of the A64. If they put 50 signs up I doubt a lot of people will take any notice, they don't seem to approaching the Monks Cross roundabout. It needs to be obvious to traffic on the A64 that there is a slip road coming on to it and equally those people pulling out need to be reminded to drive with caution. Too many people make assumptions about what others will do, 'oh they'll pull over and let me in' - no they won't if they've nowhere to go!.
Seriously think they should be looking the slip roads onto the A64. At Bilbrough Top traffic comes out of the services on a very short run of road and some people just seem to think they can pull straight out into the traffic, they do not register that if they pull straight out the traffic on the inside lane of the A64 either has to brake, run up their backside or an automatic reaction is to pull right to get out of the way - possibly taking out someone overtaking them in the outside lane. The garage\services and restaurant on the Eastbound side has the same problem - traffic pulling out with nowhere to go when there's already traffic in both lanes of the A64. If they put 50 signs up I doubt a lot of people will take any notice, they don't seem to approaching the Monks Cross roundabout. It needs to be obvious to traffic on the A64 that there is a slip road coming on to it and equally those people pulling out need to be reminded to drive with caution. Too many people make assumptions about what others will do, 'oh they'll pull over and let me in' - no they won't if they've nowhere to go!. Local lassie
  • Score: 3

3:54pm Thu 24 Apr 14

piaggio1 says...

Hairdryer !!!!
At last.someone who knows.
Actually its a 300cc twist n tw*t.pure italian classic.
Pontedera finest.
Still hate caravans. Also them massive BOCM lorries that pull out of selby.get behind one of them on A19.SLOW .SLOW SLOW.
Hairdryer !!!! At last.someone who knows. Actually its a 300cc twist n tw*t.pure italian classic. Pontedera finest. Still hate caravans. Also them massive BOCM lorries that pull out of selby.get behind one of them on A19.SLOW .SLOW SLOW. piaggio1
  • Score: 2

4:02pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Mr Udigawa wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Mr Udigawa wrote:
pedalling paul wrote: Disgraceful comments about the farmers....would you rather eat imported food.....?
Agreed Paul, Tractors don't cause accidents, idiotic drivers driving too close, too fast and not anticipating changing road conditions do that. When was the last time that a tractor ploughed into the back of a queue of traffic?
Both morons. People have to overtake tractors on many of the outer roads which leads to accidents. Why do they do this? well if you travel at 20mph when the limit is 60mph and you want to get somewhere without it taking 3 times longer you need to overtake. Mr Udigawa you are right a tractor doesnt go into the back of people.. maybe because there is no one slowing the tractor up for them to go into?? just a thought... As for eating imported food paul have a look at what you buy and where it came from. England is anything but a farmers shop paradise. Do you think the local farmers sell their produce to tesco??? no...
I travel up and down this stretch of road every day and I can honestly say I've never had to take evasive action to avoid hitting a tractor or other vehicle. Using my observational skills I scan the road ahead and any side roads and slip roads and adjust my speed and direction as neccessary. When in a slow moving queue of traffic I leave enough space to be able to stop safely should the need arise, and I also readjust my speed to safely allow any vehicles to join my lane should they wish to do so. Tractors and other vehicles have a right and a need to use this road and have never posed a danger to me. Perhaps you and a few others need to brush up on your driving skills. Re pedestrians crossing thsi road, I have also seen several people trying to cross, and several people have been killed over the years while attempting to do so, the sad fact is that what is a 20 second journey across the 64 can take over 40 Minutes by using the bridge. The bus stops should have been moved closer to the bridge so at least it is in sight and obvious. My heart goes out to anyone who has lost someone on this road, My lad works at Maccy D's & I have made him promise never to try to take the shortcut.
So on your many travels you have never had to pull out into the fast lane to let people join from the services? Just brake slowing down the traffic behind you? all it takes is for one guy to be looking at a sign and due to a person slamming on the breaks 4 cars in front he’s into the back of someone... Maybe it isn’t my driving that should be questioned here.

My driving is fine thank you. Having passed my test within the last 10 years and not having grandfather rights i went though a lot more to get my licences then the older bunch.. You don’t build infrastructure for people who can not be arsed to use the correct path!
And the bridge is there for a reason. like i say if anyone wants to run across bidirectional dual carriage ways then fool on them. The quickest way home for me is across train tracks but i dont use it as i'd get run over.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Udigawa[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Udigawa[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Disgraceful comments about the farmers....would you rather eat imported food.....?[/p][/quote]Agreed Paul, Tractors don't cause accidents, idiotic drivers driving too close, too fast and not anticipating changing road conditions do that. When was the last time that a tractor ploughed into the back of a queue of traffic?[/p][/quote]Both morons. People have to overtake tractors on many of the outer roads which leads to accidents. Why do they do this? well if you travel at 20mph when the limit is 60mph and you want to get somewhere without it taking 3 times longer you need to overtake. Mr Udigawa you are right a tractor doesnt go into the back of people.. maybe because there is no one slowing the tractor up for them to go into?? just a thought... As for eating imported food paul have a look at what you buy and where it came from. England is anything but a farmers shop paradise. Do you think the local farmers sell their produce to tesco??? no...[/p][/quote]I travel up and down this stretch of road every day and I can honestly say I've never had to take evasive action to avoid hitting a tractor or other vehicle. Using my observational skills I scan the road ahead and any side roads and slip roads and adjust my speed and direction as neccessary. When in a slow moving queue of traffic I leave enough space to be able to stop safely should the need arise, and I also readjust my speed to safely allow any vehicles to join my lane should they wish to do so. Tractors and other vehicles have a right and a need to use this road and have never posed a danger to me. Perhaps you and a few others need to brush up on your driving skills. Re pedestrians crossing thsi road, I have also seen several people trying to cross, and several people have been killed over the years while attempting to do so, the sad fact is that what is a 20 second journey across the 64 can take over 40 Minutes by using the bridge. The bus stops should have been moved closer to the bridge so at least it is in sight and obvious. My heart goes out to anyone who has lost someone on this road, My lad works at Maccy D's & I have made him promise never to try to take the shortcut.[/p][/quote]So on your many travels you have never had to pull out into the fast lane to let people join from the services? Just brake slowing down the traffic behind you? all it takes is for one guy to be looking at a sign and due to a person slamming on the breaks 4 cars in front he’s into the back of someone... Maybe it isn’t my driving that should be questioned here. My driving is fine thank you. Having passed my test within the last 10 years and not having grandfather rights i went though a lot more to get my licences then the older bunch.. You don’t build infrastructure for people who can not be arsed to use the correct path! And the bridge is there for a reason. like i say if anyone wants to run across bidirectional dual carriage ways then fool on them. The quickest way home for me is across train tracks but i dont use it as i'd get run over. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 1

4:06pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Just zis guy, you know? wrote:
4yorks wrote: What a load of codswallop, 70mph is too slow as it is, never mind 50. I personally travel at 85 on the A64 Westbound ( apart from the bit past Tadcaster as that is where the speed camera van parks) I was driving down the A64 the other day at 3am after returning from the airport, I set the cruise control to 100 and was home in no time. All you safety nuts need to get a life
And you need to get the hell off the roads.
What a silly Billy you are. No wonder the emergency services are kept busy. Are you so unafraid to drive without regard for the potential consequences of excess speed.both to yourself and other road users.
Or maybe at 3am on a clear road that is dual carriage way built for speeds of 130mph its safe? you drive at whatever pace you feel safe at.. otherwise you wouldnt do it.. When i'm on a motorway im usually over 100mph at times. why? becasue it is safe? Because maybe some of us have reaction times?? Maybe some of us can go faster then 50mph on a dual carriage way??
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just zis guy, you know?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]4yorks[/bold] wrote: What a load of codswallop, 70mph is too slow as it is, never mind 50. I personally travel at 85 on the A64 Westbound ( apart from the bit past Tadcaster as that is where the speed camera van parks) I was driving down the A64 the other day at 3am after returning from the airport, I set the cruise control to 100 and was home in no time. All you safety nuts need to get a life[/p][/quote]And you need to get the hell off the roads.[/p][/quote]What a silly Billy you are. No wonder the emergency services are kept busy. Are you so unafraid to drive without regard for the potential consequences of excess speed.both to yourself and other road users.[/p][/quote]Or maybe at 3am on a clear road that is dual carriage way built for speeds of 130mph its safe? you drive at whatever pace you feel safe at.. otherwise you wouldnt do it.. When i'm on a motorway im usually over 100mph at times. why? becasue it is safe? Because maybe some of us have reaction times?? Maybe some of us can go faster then 50mph on a dual carriage way?? Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -6

4:08pm Thu 24 Apr 14

spottycow says...

Educate these TRACTOR DRIVERS who think they can fly along as fast they can and dont seem to pay attention to other ROAD USERS . Also everyone needs to be a ware off what they are doing. IVE driven this road for the last thirty seven years in all modes of transport and never had a problem because i pay attention to conditions . And no im not a SMART AR . E BEFORE PEOPLE COMMENT
Educate these TRACTOR DRIVERS who think they can fly along as fast they can and dont seem to pay attention to other ROAD USERS . Also everyone needs to be a ware off what they are doing. IVE driven this road for the last thirty seven years in all modes of transport and never had a problem because i pay attention to conditions . And no im not a SMART AR . E BEFORE PEOPLE COMMENT spottycow
  • Score: 0

4:15pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Mr Udigawa says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Mr Udigawa wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Mr Udigawa wrote:
pedalling paul wrote: Disgraceful comments about the farmers....would you rather eat imported food.....?
Agreed Paul, Tractors don't cause accidents, idiotic drivers driving too close, too fast and not anticipating changing road conditions do that. When was the last time that a tractor ploughed into the back of a queue of traffic?
Both morons. People have to overtake tractors on many of the outer roads which leads to accidents. Why do they do this? well if you travel at 20mph when the limit is 60mph and you want to get somewhere without it taking 3 times longer you need to overtake. Mr Udigawa you are right a tractor doesnt go into the back of people.. maybe because there is no one slowing the tractor up for them to go into?? just a thought... As for eating imported food paul have a look at what you buy and where it came from. England is anything but a farmers shop paradise. Do you think the local farmers sell their produce to tesco??? no...
I travel up and down this stretch of road every day and I can honestly say I've never had to take evasive action to avoid hitting a tractor or other vehicle. Using my observational skills I scan the road ahead and any side roads and slip roads and adjust my speed and direction as neccessary. When in a slow moving queue of traffic I leave enough space to be able to stop safely should the need arise, and I also readjust my speed to safely allow any vehicles to join my lane should they wish to do so. Tractors and other vehicles have a right and a need to use this road and have never posed a danger to me. Perhaps you and a few others need to brush up on your driving skills. Re pedestrians crossing thsi road, I have also seen several people trying to cross, and several people have been killed over the years while attempting to do so, the sad fact is that what is a 20 second journey across the 64 can take over 40 Minutes by using the bridge. The bus stops should have been moved closer to the bridge so at least it is in sight and obvious. My heart goes out to anyone who has lost someone on this road, My lad works at Maccy D's & I have made him promise never to try to take the shortcut.
So on your many travels you have never had to pull out into the fast lane to let people join from the services? Just brake slowing down the traffic behind you? all it takes is for one guy to be looking at a sign and due to a person slamming on the breaks 4 cars in front he’s into the back of someone... Maybe it isn’t my driving that should be questioned here. My driving is fine thank you. Having passed my test within the last 10 years and not having grandfather rights i went though a lot more to get my licences then the older bunch.. You don’t build infrastructure for people who can not be arsed to use the correct path! And the bridge is there for a reason. like i say if anyone wants to run across bidirectional dual carriage ways then fool on them. The quickest way home for me is across train tracks but i dont use it as i'd get run over.
I regularly have to change lane to let traffic join the carriageway, where did you get the idea that I haven't?
If you're happy for someone to crash into the back of you because they weren't paying attention, that's your choice old fruit, I suppose it's just natural selection at work....
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Udigawa[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Udigawa[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Disgraceful comments about the farmers....would you rather eat imported food.....?[/p][/quote]Agreed Paul, Tractors don't cause accidents, idiotic drivers driving too close, too fast and not anticipating changing road conditions do that. When was the last time that a tractor ploughed into the back of a queue of traffic?[/p][/quote]Both morons. People have to overtake tractors on many of the outer roads which leads to accidents. Why do they do this? well if you travel at 20mph when the limit is 60mph and you want to get somewhere without it taking 3 times longer you need to overtake. Mr Udigawa you are right a tractor doesnt go into the back of people.. maybe because there is no one slowing the tractor up for them to go into?? just a thought... As for eating imported food paul have a look at what you buy and where it came from. England is anything but a farmers shop paradise. Do you think the local farmers sell their produce to tesco??? no...[/p][/quote]I travel up and down this stretch of road every day and I can honestly say I've never had to take evasive action to avoid hitting a tractor or other vehicle. Using my observational skills I scan the road ahead and any side roads and slip roads and adjust my speed and direction as neccessary. When in a slow moving queue of traffic I leave enough space to be able to stop safely should the need arise, and I also readjust my speed to safely allow any vehicles to join my lane should they wish to do so. Tractors and other vehicles have a right and a need to use this road and have never posed a danger to me. Perhaps you and a few others need to brush up on your driving skills. Re pedestrians crossing thsi road, I have also seen several people trying to cross, and several people have been killed over the years while attempting to do so, the sad fact is that what is a 20 second journey across the 64 can take over 40 Minutes by using the bridge. The bus stops should have been moved closer to the bridge so at least it is in sight and obvious. My heart goes out to anyone who has lost someone on this road, My lad works at Maccy D's & I have made him promise never to try to take the shortcut.[/p][/quote]So on your many travels you have never had to pull out into the fast lane to let people join from the services? Just brake slowing down the traffic behind you? all it takes is for one guy to be looking at a sign and due to a person slamming on the breaks 4 cars in front he’s into the back of someone... Maybe it isn’t my driving that should be questioned here. My driving is fine thank you. Having passed my test within the last 10 years and not having grandfather rights i went though a lot more to get my licences then the older bunch.. You don’t build infrastructure for people who can not be arsed to use the correct path! And the bridge is there for a reason. like i say if anyone wants to run across bidirectional dual carriage ways then fool on them. The quickest way home for me is across train tracks but i dont use it as i'd get run over.[/p][/quote]I regularly have to change lane to let traffic join the carriageway, where did you get the idea that I haven't? If you're happy for someone to crash into the back of you because they weren't paying attention, that's your choice old fruit, I suppose it's just natural selection at work.... Mr Udigawa
  • Score: -4

4:17pm Thu 24 Apr 14

york_chap says...

cfromyork wrote:
Westbound I believe the problem starts at the junction where the A1237 at Copmanthorpe joins the A64. I believe the slip road here is not long enough. I've seen countless cars stopping at the end of the slip road because they cannot merge in. Then cars behind them are having to break unexpectedly. From here cars drive practically bumper to bumper to Bilbrough Top and beyond. A longer slip road for the amount of traffic that uses this junction would certainly help.
I completely agree with you. Often, even outside peak times it can be extremely difficult and dangerous for people trying to enter the main carriageway from that sliproad. I've also seen cars have to stop on the slip road because the A64 traffic is solid at 60mph+ with just a few feet between each car. In 2.5 tonnes with rapid acceleration and nudge bars, getting out isn't usually a prolem, but the fact is that many people have smaller-engined cars, in which having to accelerate from 0 - 60mph takes time, causing traffic already on the A64 to brake and bunch up even more. Must be horrible for less experienced/confiden
t drivers in particular.

Longer slip-roads and a curfew on farm traffic/JCBs between 7-9am and 4-6pm would help certainly improve traffic flow and may prevent some accidents. However, you'd still get the pedestrians who could be drunk or late for work etc trying to skip across 4 lanes - and the youngsters thundering down at 100mph at night, losing control and landing in a ditch. I seem to recall several such incidents/fatalities in recent years and I doubt a 50mph limit would have prevented many of them.
[quote][p][bold]cfromyork[/bold] wrote: Westbound I believe the problem starts at the junction where the A1237 at Copmanthorpe joins the A64. I believe the slip road here is not long enough. I've seen countless cars stopping at the end of the slip road because they cannot merge in. Then cars behind them are having to break unexpectedly. From here cars drive practically bumper to bumper to Bilbrough Top and beyond. A longer slip road for the amount of traffic that uses this junction would certainly help.[/p][/quote]I completely agree with you. Often, even outside peak times it can be extremely difficult and dangerous for people trying to enter the main carriageway from that sliproad. I've also seen cars have to stop on the slip road because the A64 traffic is solid at 60mph+ with just a few feet between each car. In 2.5 tonnes with rapid acceleration and nudge bars, getting out isn't usually a prolem, but the fact is that many people have smaller-engined cars, in which having to accelerate from 0 - 60mph takes time, causing traffic already on the A64 to brake and bunch up even more. Must be horrible for less experienced/confiden t drivers in particular. Longer slip-roads and a curfew on farm traffic/JCBs between 7-9am and 4-6pm would help certainly improve traffic flow and may prevent some accidents. However, you'd still get the pedestrians who could be drunk or late for work etc trying to skip across 4 lanes - and the youngsters thundering down at 100mph at night, losing control and landing in a ditch. I seem to recall several such incidents/fatalities in recent years and I doubt a 50mph limit would have prevented many of them. york_chap
  • Score: 9

4:33pm Thu 24 Apr 14

viking99 says...

Its not the tractors that are the greatest menace as some are saying but the stupid drivers who creep along at 50mph and wont pull over into the outer lane until they are one cars length from the tractor I travel this road everyday and when you see 40ft lorries overtaking these idiots no wonder there are accidents.
a curfew would be a disaster for farmers they should have priority with decent slip roads to their fields. we all need to eat !
Its not the tractors that are the greatest menace as some are saying but the stupid drivers who creep along at 50mph and wont pull over into the outer lane until they are one cars length from the tractor I travel this road everyday and when you see 40ft lorries overtaking these idiots no wonder there are accidents. a curfew would be a disaster for farmers they should have priority with decent slip roads to their fields. we all need to eat ! viking99
  • Score: 2

4:35pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Mr Udigawa says...

piaggio1 wrote:
Hairdryer !!!! At last.someone who knows. Actually its a 300cc twist n tw*t.pure italian classic. Pontedera finest. Still hate caravans. Also them massive BOCM lorries that pull out of selby.get behind one of them on A19.SLOW .SLOW SLOW.
Nice,
I keep threatening our lass that I'm going to get a Lambretta but she says I'll look like Donkey Kong on it & would disown me.
Anyway, it probably wouldn't be safe going down the A64 at less than 100mph with Archiebold bearing down on me distracted by signs and tractors etc....
[quote][p][bold]piaggio1[/bold] wrote: Hairdryer !!!! At last.someone who knows. Actually its a 300cc twist n tw*t.pure italian classic. Pontedera finest. Still hate caravans. Also them massive BOCM lorries that pull out of selby.get behind one of them on A19.SLOW .SLOW SLOW.[/p][/quote]Nice, I keep threatening our lass that I'm going to get a Lambretta but she says I'll look like Donkey Kong on it & would disown me. Anyway, it probably wouldn't be safe going down the A64 at less than 100mph with Archiebold bearing down on me distracted by signs and tractors etc.... Mr Udigawa
  • Score: 4

4:58pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Garrowby Turnoff says...

Regarding farm tractors and their safety maybe PP and others ought to read this article regarding unobserved regulations by farm tractor owners who should have modified their braking systems when travelling above 20mph with heavy loads. Most have not obeyed the "Look behind you" campaign suggestions on braking systems suggested by the AEA. A full speed (40mph), fully laden trailor pulled by a farm tractor has a stopping time 10 times that of an F1 racing car travelling at 200mph!

http://www.farmersgu
ardian.com/home/mach
inery/machinery-feat
ures/are-your-tracto
r-and-trailer-brakes
-legal?/33572.articl
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Regarding farm tractors and their safety maybe PP and others ought to read this article regarding unobserved regulations by farm tractor owners who should have modified their braking systems when travelling above 20mph with heavy loads. Most have not obeyed the "Look behind you" campaign suggestions on braking systems suggested by the AEA. A full speed (40mph), fully laden trailor pulled by a farm tractor has a stopping time 10 times that of an F1 racing car travelling at 200mph! http://www.farmersgu ardian.com/home/mach inery/machinery-feat ures/are-your-tracto r-and-trailer-brakes -legal?/33572.articl e Garrowby Turnoff
  • Score: 2

5:14pm Thu 24 Apr 14

again says...

Mr Udigawa wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Disgraceful comments about the farmers....would you rather eat imported food.....?
Agreed Paul, Tractors don't cause accidents, idiotic drivers driving too close, too fast and not anticipating changing road conditions do that. When was the last time that a tractor ploughed into the back of a queue of traffic?
It's extraordinary how often you can see people fail to spot a big tractor with a flashing light on top until it is too late to pull out safely. Nevertheless very often they pull out any way.

I mean what are they looking at? It can't be the road ahead..
[quote][p][bold]Mr Udigawa[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Disgraceful comments about the farmers....would you rather eat imported food.....?[/p][/quote]Agreed Paul, Tractors don't cause accidents, idiotic drivers driving too close, too fast and not anticipating changing road conditions do that. When was the last time that a tractor ploughed into the back of a queue of traffic?[/p][/quote]It's extraordinary how often you can see people fail to spot a big tractor with a flashing light on top until it is too late to pull out safely. Nevertheless very often they pull out any way. I mean what are they looking at? It can't be the road ahead.. again
  • Score: 36

5:23pm Thu 24 Apr 14

MrMr says...

spottycow wrote:
Educate these TRACTOR DRIVERS who think they can fly along as fast they can and dont seem to pay attention to other ROAD USERS . Also everyone needs to be a ware off what they are doing. IVE driven this road for the last thirty seven years in all modes of transport and never had a problem because i pay attention to conditions . And no im not a SMART AR . E BEFORE PEOPLE COMMENT
No you are definitely are not one of those, judging by your comments!
[quote][p][bold]spottycow[/bold] wrote: Educate these TRACTOR DRIVERS who think they can fly along as fast they can and dont seem to pay attention to other ROAD USERS . Also everyone needs to be a ware off what they are doing. IVE driven this road for the last thirty seven years in all modes of transport and never had a problem because i pay attention to conditions . And no im not a SMART AR . E BEFORE PEOPLE COMMENT[/p][/quote]No you are definitely are not one of those, judging by your comments! MrMr
  • Score: 0

5:41pm Thu 24 Apr 14

piaggio1 says...

Notice no comments allowed on the loonys idea of building ha em! Travellers pitches on er housing estate s..................a
nd I wonder why.....
Notice no comments allowed on the loonys idea of building ha em! Travellers pitches on er housing estate s..................a nd I wonder why..... piaggio1
  • Score: 8

6:06pm Thu 24 Apr 14

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

This looks like a job for Anna Semlyn.
20's plenty for the A64.
Paint a cycle track between the two lanes to stop overtaking, throw in a few chicanes and plonk in a couple of extra large speeds humps for good measure.
This looks like a job for Anna Semlyn. 20's plenty for the A64. Paint a cycle track between the two lanes to stop overtaking, throw in a few chicanes and plonk in a couple of extra large speeds humps for good measure. NoNewsIsGoodNews
  • Score: 11

7:37pm Thu 24 Apr 14

York2000 says...

I see the moan about Lendal brigade have moved on...
I see the moan about Lendal brigade have moved on... York2000
  • Score: 28

9:00pm Thu 24 Apr 14

no comment75 says...

First try a clamp down on mobile phone use. I travel this stretch every day and see 3 or 4 people everyday furtively reading their phone or calling. I can tell they are doing it as they wander the carriageway and jolt to correct course.
Clean this up and we'll all be safer!!
First try a clamp down on mobile phone use. I travel this stretch every day and see 3 or 4 people everyday furtively reading their phone or calling. I can tell they are doing it as they wander the carriageway and jolt to correct course. Clean this up and we'll all be safer!! no comment75
  • Score: 12

11:10pm Thu 24 Apr 14

JHardacre says...

piaggio1 wrote:
Notice no comments allowed on the loonys idea of building ha em! Travellers pitches on er housing estate s..................a

nd I wonder why.....
Thinking exactly the same myself. We're obviously not allowed to say what a boners idea is would be to make developers set aside land for 'Travellers'. Would you buy a house next to a gipsy camp site?
[quote][p][bold]piaggio1[/bold] wrote: Notice no comments allowed on the loonys idea of building ha em! Travellers pitches on er housing estate s..................a nd I wonder why.....[/p][/quote]Thinking exactly the same myself. We're obviously not allowed to say what a boners idea is would be to make developers set aside land for 'Travellers'. Would you buy a house next to a gipsy camp site? JHardacre
  • Score: 8

3:58am Fri 25 Apr 14

Magicman! says...

The best possible solution would be to completely realign the road so it's straight at Bilbrough top. The liklihood of that happenning is close to zero, so other measures should be used...

... crash barriers between the carriageway and pavement/cycle lane - so if a car comes off the road it doesn't slam straight into some innocent and somewhat shocked pedestrian or cyclist.

.. alter the layout of the eastbound service area so that the slip road by Little Chef is only for vehicles coming in to the services, and the exit fron the services goes onto the road that comes from Bilbrough village and the flyover where the is a long enough sliproad - this would also get rid of the issue where cars turning off for Bilbrough of the flyover are in conflict with cars moving out from the Little Chef area into lane 2 within less than 1 mile.

... alter bus stop locations. If the layout of the eastbound services was altered as above, a consideraton should be made towards either moving the nearby eastbound bus stop onto either the slip road for the services or within the service area itself - thus removing the speed differential between a bus that is stopped, stopping, or accelerating from a stop and that of vehicles going at 70mph+ on the carriageway. Likewise with the westbound services - as this stop is more popular it should be moved into the service area with a new exit road built from the services going behind the hotel and onto the carriageway.... or having the bus stop on the A64 but in its own lane which includes a long enough slip road so the bus can get back up to speed before re-joining the mainline.

... consider a 2nd pedestrian footbridge or underpass as the western end of the service areas.
The best possible solution would be to completely realign the road so it's straight at Bilbrough top. The liklihood of that happenning is close to zero, so other measures should be used... ... crash barriers between the carriageway and pavement/cycle lane - so if a car comes off the road it doesn't slam straight into some innocent and somewhat shocked pedestrian or cyclist. .. alter the layout of the eastbound service area so that the slip road by Little Chef is only for vehicles coming in to the services, and the exit fron the services goes onto the road that comes from Bilbrough village and the flyover where the is a long enough sliproad - this would also get rid of the issue where cars turning off for Bilbrough of the flyover are in conflict with cars moving out from the Little Chef area into lane 2 within less than 1 mile. ... alter bus stop locations. If the layout of the eastbound services was altered as above, a consideraton should be made towards either moving the nearby eastbound bus stop onto either the slip road for the services or within the service area itself - thus removing the speed differential between a bus that is stopped, stopping, or accelerating from a stop and that of vehicles going at 70mph+ on the carriageway. Likewise with the westbound services - as this stop is more popular it should be moved into the service area with a new exit road built from the services going behind the hotel and onto the carriageway.... or having the bus stop on the A64 but in its own lane which includes a long enough slip road so the bus can get back up to speed before re-joining the mainline. ... consider a 2nd pedestrian footbridge or underpass as the western end of the service areas. Magicman!
  • Score: 0

6:30am Fri 25 Apr 14

JHardacre says...

JHardacre wrote:
piaggio1 wrote:
Notice no comments allowed on the loonys idea of building ha em! Travellers pitches on er housing estate s..................a


nd I wonder why.....
Thinking exactly the same myself. We're obviously not allowed to say what a boners idea is would be to make developers set aside land for 'Travellers'. Would you buy a house next to a gipsy camp site?
For 'boners' read 'bonkers'.
[quote][p][bold]JHardacre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]piaggio1[/bold] wrote: Notice no comments allowed on the loonys idea of building ha em! Travellers pitches on er housing estate s..................a nd I wonder why.....[/p][/quote]Thinking exactly the same myself. We're obviously not allowed to say what a boners idea is would be to make developers set aside land for 'Travellers'. Would you buy a house next to a gipsy camp site?[/p][/quote]For 'boners' read 'bonkers'. JHardacre
  • Score: 0

7:39am Fri 25 Apr 14

bovril says...

Ok so i haven't commented in a while but here goes!

The biggest rpoblem with the A64 is the bus stops and pedestrians crossing the road to get to said bus stop.

there is a very simple solution for this, move the bus stop into the services, it takes temptation away and allows the busses to get upto speed on the slip road before joining the A64 (you could make the slip road west a bit longer).

As for Cyclists, there is a designated off road cycle path between tadcaster and the bridge over the ouse) then it drops over the millenium bridge and onwards so there should be no issue and no bikes on the road.

Also if you remove the parking layby after bilborough this will stop the large number of waggons joining the A64 at slow speed (Or just remove the Cafe trailer)

The number of tractors using the A64 is negligable compared to other users and im sure that we can get around them.

The main deaths on the A64 have been caused by person Vs Car on the road. only ever one winner and unfortunatly there is ony one person at fault whatever the seed of the car. at 70mph you do not expect a person to cross the road when (as a local) you know that there is a footbridge.

People will always take risks, whether that be on foot, in a car or on a bike. we just have to live with the consequences if it goes wrong. stop wrapping us in cotton wool and let us get on with it.
Ok so i haven't commented in a while but here goes! The biggest rpoblem with the A64 is the bus stops and pedestrians crossing the road to get to said bus stop. there is a very simple solution for this, move the bus stop into the services, it takes temptation away and allows the busses to get upto speed on the slip road before joining the A64 (you could make the slip road west a bit longer). As for Cyclists, there is a designated off road cycle path between tadcaster and the bridge over the ouse) then it drops over the millenium bridge and onwards so there should be no issue and no bikes on the road. Also if you remove the parking layby after bilborough this will stop the large number of waggons joining the A64 at slow speed (Or just remove the Cafe trailer) The number of tractors using the A64 is negligable compared to other users and im sure that we can get around them. The main deaths on the A64 have been caused by person Vs Car on the road. only ever one winner and unfortunatly there is ony one person at fault whatever the seed of the car. at 70mph you do not expect a person to cross the road when (as a local) you know that there is a footbridge. People will always take risks, whether that be on foot, in a car or on a bike. we just have to live with the consequences if it goes wrong. stop wrapping us in cotton wool and let us get on with it. bovril
  • Score: 4

8:33am Fri 25 Apr 14

roadwars says...

Reducing the speed limit to 50mph for a 5 mile stretch will add 2 whole minutes on to the journey. All of the saddos who can't bear the thought of 2 extra minutes on their journey really need to have a serious think about their lives.
If a minor inconvenience saves just one life in 10 years then it is worthwhile to me.
Also, the tractors on this stretch may be annoying but they have every right to use the road and there are 2 lanes so you can easily pass them without waiting for them to pull into a layby. The congestion is caused when unobservant motorists and lorries leave it to the last minute to pull out and overtake them.
Reducing the speed limit to 50mph for a 5 mile stretch will add 2 whole minutes on to the journey. All of the saddos who can't bear the thought of 2 extra minutes on their journey really need to have a serious think about their lives. If a minor inconvenience saves just one life in 10 years then it is worthwhile to me. Also, the tractors on this stretch may be annoying but they have every right to use the road and there are 2 lanes so you can easily pass them without waiting for them to pull into a layby. The congestion is caused when unobservant motorists and lorries leave it to the last minute to pull out and overtake them. roadwars
  • Score: 0

8:54am Fri 25 Apr 14

yorkshirelad says...

The law and the highway code are crystal clear....you should drive within your stopping distance. This is the basis of fault being allocated to drivers who crash into others from behind. This makes some of the comments above about slow vehicles very frightening.

The same danger applies to country lanes where around any corner may be a herd of cattle or a horserider...but you see so many people now not driving within their stopping distance... ('if you're in my way it's tough'). Same applies to fog and the people who think if they've got a big flash car they can still do 80 in fog....

So, if people use the arguments above, then maybe 50mph restriction is the only answer. Many of the restrictions we are facing on driving are coming from irresponsible driving so we only have ourselves to blame.

A completely separate issue is the congestion caused by slow moving vehicles (More of a problem on single carriageway A-roads). I have no problem with tractors and JCBs until they avoid obvious areas where they could easily pull in and let the queue pass...I think this is becoming a major problem in the York area and I think the Newcastle A1 precedent of a timed rush hour ban on farm vehicles on the road might be a sad necessity. A little bit more consideration could avoid this.
The law and the highway code are crystal clear....you should drive within your stopping distance. This is the basis of fault being allocated to drivers who crash into others from behind. This makes some of the comments above about slow vehicles very frightening. The same danger applies to country lanes where around any corner may be a herd of cattle or a horserider...but you see so many people now not driving within their stopping distance... ('if you're in my way it's tough'). Same applies to fog and the people who think if they've got a big flash car they can still do 80 in fog.... So, if people use the arguments above, then maybe 50mph restriction is the only answer. Many of the restrictions we are facing on driving are coming from irresponsible driving so we only have ourselves to blame. A completely separate issue is the congestion caused by slow moving vehicles (More of a problem on single carriageway A-roads). I have no problem with tractors and JCBs until they avoid obvious areas where they could easily pull in and let the queue pass...I think this is becoming a major problem in the York area and I think the Newcastle A1 precedent of a timed rush hour ban on farm vehicles on the road might be a sad necessity. A little bit more consideration could avoid this. yorkshirelad
  • Score: 6

10:25am Fri 25 Apr 14

YorkPatrol says...

Just ban old people - problem solved
Just ban old people - problem solved YorkPatrol
  • Score: -2

12:27pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Mr Udigawa wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Mr Udigawa wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Mr Udigawa wrote:
pedalling paul wrote: Disgraceful comments about the farmers....would you rather eat imported food.....?
Agreed Paul, Tractors don't cause accidents, idiotic drivers driving too close, too fast and not anticipating changing road conditions do that. When was the last time that a tractor ploughed into the back of a queue of traffic?
Both morons. People have to overtake tractors on many of the outer roads which leads to accidents. Why do they do this? well if you travel at 20mph when the limit is 60mph and you want to get somewhere without it taking 3 times longer you need to overtake. Mr Udigawa you are right a tractor doesnt go into the back of people.. maybe because there is no one slowing the tractor up for them to go into?? just a thought... As for eating imported food paul have a look at what you buy and where it came from. England is anything but a farmers shop paradise. Do you think the local farmers sell their produce to tesco??? no...
I travel up and down this stretch of road every day and I can honestly say I've never had to take evasive action to avoid hitting a tractor or other vehicle. Using my observational skills I scan the road ahead and any side roads and slip roads and adjust my speed and direction as neccessary. When in a slow moving queue of traffic I leave enough space to be able to stop safely should the need arise, and I also readjust my speed to safely allow any vehicles to join my lane should they wish to do so. Tractors and other vehicles have a right and a need to use this road and have never posed a danger to me. Perhaps you and a few others need to brush up on your driving skills. Re pedestrians crossing thsi road, I have also seen several people trying to cross, and several people have been killed over the years while attempting to do so, the sad fact is that what is a 20 second journey across the 64 can take over 40 Minutes by using the bridge. The bus stops should have been moved closer to the bridge so at least it is in sight and obvious. My heart goes out to anyone who has lost someone on this road, My lad works at Maccy D's & I have made him promise never to try to take the shortcut.
So on your many travels you have never had to pull out into the fast lane to let people join from the services? Just brake slowing down the traffic behind you? all it takes is for one guy to be looking at a sign and due to a person slamming on the breaks 4 cars in front he’s into the back of someone... Maybe it isn’t my driving that should be questioned here. My driving is fine thank you. Having passed my test within the last 10 years and not having grandfather rights i went though a lot more to get my licences then the older bunch.. You don’t build infrastructure for people who can not be arsed to use the correct path! And the bridge is there for a reason. like i say if anyone wants to run across bidirectional dual carriage ways then fool on them. The quickest way home for me is across train tracks but i dont use it as i'd get run over.
I regularly have to change lane to let traffic join the carriageway, where did you get the idea that I haven't? If you're happy for someone to crash into the back of you because they weren't paying attention, that's your choice old fruit, I suppose it's just natural selection at work....
A combination of your first and second sentence? i brake accordingly? this is a dual carriage way where you are meant to keep a consistent speed to avoid people going into the back of you.. So by you adjusting your speed you have more chance for catching drivers out....

Yes that’s what i said.. you def support your argument by making up sentences... i do remember saying i love people going into the back of me... in fact i'm happy when this happens. Natural selection would be using you a pp as hardcore for the pedestrian bridge you idiots think will save lives!

As you said before 20 seconds compared to 40 mins? how will a footbridge reduce this if it is still quicker to run across... Use them eyes and scan through what you right instead of the road and you might be a little less contradicting.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Udigawa[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Udigawa[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Udigawa[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Disgraceful comments about the farmers....would you rather eat imported food.....?[/p][/quote]Agreed Paul, Tractors don't cause accidents, idiotic drivers driving too close, too fast and not anticipating changing road conditions do that. When was the last time that a tractor ploughed into the back of a queue of traffic?[/p][/quote]Both morons. People have to overtake tractors on many of the outer roads which leads to accidents. Why do they do this? well if you travel at 20mph when the limit is 60mph and you want to get somewhere without it taking 3 times longer you need to overtake. Mr Udigawa you are right a tractor doesnt go into the back of people.. maybe because there is no one slowing the tractor up for them to go into?? just a thought... As for eating imported food paul have a look at what you buy and where it came from. England is anything but a farmers shop paradise. Do you think the local farmers sell their produce to tesco??? no...[/p][/quote]I travel up and down this stretch of road every day and I can honestly say I've never had to take evasive action to avoid hitting a tractor or other vehicle. Using my observational skills I scan the road ahead and any side roads and slip roads and adjust my speed and direction as neccessary. When in a slow moving queue of traffic I leave enough space to be able to stop safely should the need arise, and I also readjust my speed to safely allow any vehicles to join my lane should they wish to do so. Tractors and other vehicles have a right and a need to use this road and have never posed a danger to me. Perhaps you and a few others need to brush up on your driving skills. Re pedestrians crossing thsi road, I have also seen several people trying to cross, and several people have been killed over the years while attempting to do so, the sad fact is that what is a 20 second journey across the 64 can take over 40 Minutes by using the bridge. The bus stops should have been moved closer to the bridge so at least it is in sight and obvious. My heart goes out to anyone who has lost someone on this road, My lad works at Maccy D's & I have made him promise never to try to take the shortcut.[/p][/quote]So on your many travels you have never had to pull out into the fast lane to let people join from the services? Just brake slowing down the traffic behind you? all it takes is for one guy to be looking at a sign and due to a person slamming on the breaks 4 cars in front he’s into the back of someone... Maybe it isn’t my driving that should be questioned here. My driving is fine thank you. Having passed my test within the last 10 years and not having grandfather rights i went though a lot more to get my licences then the older bunch.. You don’t build infrastructure for people who can not be arsed to use the correct path! And the bridge is there for a reason. like i say if anyone wants to run across bidirectional dual carriage ways then fool on them. The quickest way home for me is across train tracks but i dont use it as i'd get run over.[/p][/quote]I regularly have to change lane to let traffic join the carriageway, where did you get the idea that I haven't? If you're happy for someone to crash into the back of you because they weren't paying attention, that's your choice old fruit, I suppose it's just natural selection at work....[/p][/quote]A combination of your first and second sentence? i brake accordingly? this is a dual carriage way where you are meant to keep a consistent speed to avoid people going into the back of you.. So by you adjusting your speed you have more chance for catching drivers out.... Yes that’s what i said.. you def support your argument by making up sentences... i do remember saying i love people going into the back of me... in fact i'm happy when this happens. Natural selection would be using you a pp as hardcore for the pedestrian bridge you idiots think will save lives! As you said before 20 seconds compared to 40 mins? how will a footbridge reduce this if it is still quicker to run across... Use them eyes and scan through what you right instead of the road and you might be a little less contradicting. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 1

12:32pm Fri 25 Apr 14

JHardacre says...

roadwars wrote:
Reducing the speed limit to 50mph for a 5 mile stretch will add 2 whole minutes on to the journey. All of the saddos who can't bear the thought of 2 extra minutes on their journey really need to have a serious think about their lives.
If a minor inconvenience saves just one life in 10 years then it is worthwhile to me.
Also, the tractors on this stretch may be annoying but they have every right to use the road and there are 2 lanes so you can easily pass them without waiting for them to pull into a layby. The congestion is caused when unobservant motorists and lorries leave it to the last minute to pull out and overtake them.
It's not the setting of a reduced limited in one part of the road that's the problem, it's the constant change in speed limits along a journey that creates the difficulty. Instead of concentrating on driving and avoiding hazards one has the added complication of trying to remember what the particular speed limit is on the stretch of road one is currently driving on, constantly watching one's speedometer and braking everytime one sees a camera or police car 'just in case' you had missed the last speed restriction sign. The A1079 is a case in point - have you counted the number of limit changes between York and Hull? Ridiculous!
[quote][p][bold]roadwars[/bold] wrote: Reducing the speed limit to 50mph for a 5 mile stretch will add 2 whole minutes on to the journey. All of the saddos who can't bear the thought of 2 extra minutes on their journey really need to have a serious think about their lives. If a minor inconvenience saves just one life in 10 years then it is worthwhile to me. Also, the tractors on this stretch may be annoying but they have every right to use the road and there are 2 lanes so you can easily pass them without waiting for them to pull into a layby. The congestion is caused when unobservant motorists and lorries leave it to the last minute to pull out and overtake them.[/p][/quote]It's not the setting of a reduced limited in one part of the road that's the problem, it's the constant change in speed limits along a journey that creates the difficulty. Instead of concentrating on driving and avoiding hazards one has the added complication of trying to remember what the particular speed limit is on the stretch of road one is currently driving on, constantly watching one's speedometer and braking everytime one sees a camera or police car 'just in case' you had missed the last speed restriction sign. The A1079 is a case in point - have you counted the number of limit changes between York and Hull? Ridiculous! JHardacre
  • Score: 2

12:33pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Mr Udigawa wrote:
piaggio1 wrote: Hairdryer !!!! At last.someone who knows. Actually its a 300cc twist n tw*t.pure italian classic. Pontedera finest. Still hate caravans. Also them massive BOCM lorries that pull out of selby.get behind one of them on A19.SLOW .SLOW SLOW.
Nice, I keep threatening our lass that I'm going to get a Lambretta but she says I'll look like Donkey Kong on it & would disown me. Anyway, it probably wouldn't be safe going down the A64 at less than 100mph with Archiebold bearing down on me distracted by signs and tractors etc....
why not? you scan the road and adjust your speed accordingly. Obviously if i happened to see a donkey Kong look a like on a lambretta i may use the excuse i was distracted by signs if anything were to happen. (yet again though use your eyes to scan and read.... where exactly did i say "i get distracted by signs"? Back to my original point... you are a moron.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Udigawa[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]piaggio1[/bold] wrote: Hairdryer !!!! At last.someone who knows. Actually its a 300cc twist n tw*t.pure italian classic. Pontedera finest. Still hate caravans. Also them massive BOCM lorries that pull out of selby.get behind one of them on A19.SLOW .SLOW SLOW.[/p][/quote]Nice, I keep threatening our lass that I'm going to get a Lambretta but she says I'll look like Donkey Kong on it & would disown me. Anyway, it probably wouldn't be safe going down the A64 at less than 100mph with Archiebold bearing down on me distracted by signs and tractors etc....[/p][/quote]why not? you scan the road and adjust your speed accordingly. Obviously if i happened to see a donkey Kong look a like on a lambretta i may use the excuse i was distracted by signs if anything were to happen. (yet again though use your eyes to scan and read.... where exactly did i say "i get distracted by signs"? Back to my original point... you are a moron. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 0

12:50pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Cheeky face says...

Longer slip roads are one solution. Turning left onto A64 at Whitwell is dangerous!

Educate speed awareness, maintaining safe gaps between vehicles (2 second rule) should help. But that latter option is ignored where 2 second chevrons on the M62 in Lancs are clear.

Farmers were here before cars, but the trasctor drivers do not "pull in" on roads where no one lets them back in again!

Compromises needed all round; because totally making us all safe is, at the moments not cost effective! Human errors will continue. As will idiots who abuse being allowed to do reckless acts!
Longer slip roads are one solution. Turning left onto A64 at Whitwell is dangerous! Educate speed awareness, maintaining safe gaps between vehicles (2 second rule) should help. But that latter option is ignored where 2 second chevrons on the M62 in Lancs are clear. Farmers were here before cars, but the trasctor drivers do not "pull in" on roads where no one lets them back in again! Compromises needed all round; because totally making us all safe is, at the moments not cost effective! Human errors will continue. As will idiots who abuse being allowed to do reckless acts! Cheeky face
  • Score: 2

12:57pm Fri 25 Apr 14

AU55SEY says...

This is getting quite ridiculous now...

Perhaps the Highways Agency can publish the cause of the serious accidents, similar to how the AAIB publish incidents involving Aircraft, the Police should publish the cause of serious road collisions. I am lead to believe the recent fatal was a result of driver fatigue, and the pedestrian crossed directly into the path of 70mph traffic, these are not causes to reduce the speed limit, these are causes for us to accept that we, you, me and the next person are responsible for our own actions.

I travel at the speed of the traffic, if that is 50mph because there is a tractor ahead, then so be it, if there is no traffic, then I will probably keep up with all of those who maintain a steady flow, never above 99mph though ;-)
This is getting quite ridiculous now... Perhaps the Highways Agency can publish the cause of the serious accidents, similar to how the AAIB publish incidents involving Aircraft, the Police should publish the cause of serious road collisions. I am lead to believe the recent fatal was a result of driver fatigue, and the pedestrian crossed directly into the path of 70mph traffic, these are not causes to reduce the speed limit, these are causes for us to accept that we, you, me and the next person are responsible for our own actions. I travel at the speed of the traffic, if that is 50mph because there is a tractor ahead, then so be it, if there is no traffic, then I will probably keep up with all of those who maintain a steady flow, never above 99mph though ;-) AU55SEY
  • Score: 7

1:24pm Fri 25 Apr 14

TheLumpster says...

Well this morning it seems that overnight roadworks did the "traffic calming" job by slowing everyone down - there was a 4-5 mile queue towards Leeds as 2 lanes were condensed into 1 to allow some roadworks near Hazlewood Castle. And once I reached the roadworks, there was no sign of anything being done. Great!!!!
Well this morning it seems that overnight roadworks did the "traffic calming" job by slowing everyone down - there was a 4-5 mile queue towards Leeds as 2 lanes were condensed into 1 to allow some roadworks near Hazlewood Castle. And once I reached the roadworks, there was no sign of anything being done. Great!!!! TheLumpster
  • Score: 7

2:40am Sat 26 Apr 14

A19A64 says...

The `farmers in their tractors issue` is really not quite the point. The majority of agricultural vehicles on the A64 and A19 are not just on their way to a bit of ploughing or harvesting. Instead there are hauling produce. Especially if they have just pulled out onto the A19 at Crockey Hill. Using a `tractor` for this business arangement reduces costs enormously, in terms of VED & fuel duty. It is work that should be done by HGV`s. This issue is very poorly policed across the whole of the UK, something the operators know very well. Trundling up to Malton & beyond from south of York is just ridiculous. The fines are very substantial & perhaps a few police patrol / HMRC `pulls` on these operators would do us all a favour in terms of tax liability & free flowing traffic.
PS - I`m no caravan lover but they aren`t the problem these days. Most towing vehicles have got enough power to keep up with the flow of traffic, even up Whitwell Hill. HGV`s designed for & easily capable of 60+ with no problem but limited to 40mph on single carriageways are. If they are European registered it`s difficult to keep up!
All opinions here based on thousands of miles on the A19 & A64.
The `farmers in their tractors issue` is really not quite the point. The majority of agricultural vehicles on the A64 and A19 are not just on their way to a bit of ploughing or harvesting. Instead there are hauling produce. Especially if they have just pulled out onto the A19 at Crockey Hill. Using a `tractor` for this business arangement reduces costs enormously, in terms of VED & fuel duty. It is work that should be done by HGV`s. This issue is very poorly policed across the whole of the UK, something the operators know very well. Trundling up to Malton & beyond from south of York is just ridiculous. The fines are very substantial & perhaps a few police patrol / HMRC `pulls` on these operators would do us all a favour in terms of tax liability & free flowing traffic. PS - I`m no caravan lover but they aren`t the problem these days. Most towing vehicles have got enough power to keep up with the flow of traffic, even up Whitwell Hill. HGV`s designed for & easily capable of 60+ with no problem but limited to 40mph on single carriageways are. If they are European registered it`s difficult to keep up! All opinions here based on thousands of miles on the A19 & A64. A19A64
  • Score: 4

1:53pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Stevie D says...

JHardacre wrote:
The A1079 is a case in point - have you counted the number of limit changes between York and Hull? Ridiculous!

I'll see your A1079, and I'll raise you the A19. In 4½ miles, it goes from 30 (Fulford) to 40 (A64 junction) to 60 to 40 (Crockey Hill) to 60 to 50 (chippie) to 40 (Deighton) to 50 to 40 (Escrick) and back to 60. That's an average of just half a mile for each speed limit!
[quote][bold]JHardacre[/bold] wrote: The A1079 is a case in point - have you counted the number of limit changes between York and Hull? Ridiculous![/quote] I'll see your A1079, and I'll raise you the A19. In 4½ miles, it goes from 30 (Fulford) to 40 (A64 junction) to 60 to 40 (Crockey Hill) to 60 to 50 (chippie) to 40 (Deighton) to 50 to 40 (Escrick) and back to 60. That's an average of just half a mile for each speed limit! Stevie D
  • Score: 2

2:04pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Stevie D says...

roadwars wrote:
Reducing the speed limit to 50mph for a 5 mile stretch will add 2 whole minutes on to the journey. All of the saddos who can't bear the thought of 2 extra minutes on their journey really need to have a serious think about their lives.

That road is used by vehicles 45000 people a day. If all those people lose 2 minutes, that's 90,000 minutes a day, or nearly 33 million minutes a year lost, even assuming there's only one person in each vehicle (so in reality likely to be up to double that). An 80-year lifespan is 42 million minutes from birth.

So even if it saved one life a year, on the basis of those numbers you have actually cost more in terms of life by reducing the speed limit!
[quote][bold]roadwars[/bold] wrote: Reducing the speed limit to 50mph for a 5 mile stretch will add 2 whole minutes on to the journey. All of the saddos who can't bear the thought of 2 extra minutes on their journey really need to have a serious think about their lives.[/quote] That road is used by vehicles 45000 people a day. If all those people lose 2 minutes, that's 90,000 minutes a day, or nearly 33 million minutes a year lost, even assuming there's only one person in each vehicle (so in reality likely to be up to double that). An 80-year lifespan is 42 million minutes from birth. So even if it saved one life a year, on the basis of those numbers you have actually cost more in terms of life by reducing the speed limit! Stevie D
  • Score: 0

5:43pm Wed 30 Apr 14

UrbanYork says...

pedalling paul wrote:
The Great Buda wrote:
BioLogic wrote:
The issue in this area in my opinion is two fold:

- firstly it is down to speed differentials, caused by very slow moving vehicles mixed in with faster vehicles, such as the tractors which caused accidents in the past few weeks. A reduced speed limit would not be effective in addressing that as even a 50mph speed limit would produce a massive speed differential such that high impact accidents could occur. The way to address this problem is to increase speeds by removing the farm vehicles. Close off the accesses and make the road the A64(M) which prevents farm vehicles from using the road. The junction infrastructure is already mostly there.

- pedestrians crossing the road. Alas there is little you can do to stop people doing stupid things. All of the bridges etc are there but people choose not to use them as it takes longer. Aside of educating you can't solve this with a 50mph limit. This would make traffic spacing lower (traffic bunches in a 50mph limit and you get more cars in less space) meaning less opportunity to cross, but the lower speeds will encourage people. Getting hit at 50mph will unfortunately be just as fatal as getting hit at 50mph.
Agreed on both points, although some money will need to be spent on the roads surronding the area so the Farmers can still go about their buisness with ease.

Better provision of foot and cycle bridges would improve things no end.
Unfortunately the Highways Agency have a poor historic record of providing for non-motorised travellers to safely cross trunk roads and motoways.
However after a time trialling cyclist was sadly killed near York while riding along the A64, the HA spent a small fortune creating jug handle junctions across high speed exit slip roads, in case more cyclists were minded to make similar journeys.
A bridge has to satisfy an environmental impact assessment, to avoid building a blot on the landscape. Presumably the trunk road carrying thousands of vehicles per day, is not similarly regarded as a blot by HIghway Engineers.
Sorry but your latter information is incorrect. It would be unusual for a new non motorised user bridge to trigger an EIA however it would certainly require an appraisal. In contrast pretty much all new highways require EIA. More than just visual effects are assessed, if you are interested try looking here for what is actually required:
http://www.dft.gov.u
k/ha/standards/dmrb/
vol11/section1.htm
or for EIA here:
http://www.legislati
on.gov.uk/uksi/2011/
1824/pdfs/uksi_20111
824_en.pdf
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BioLogic[/bold] wrote: The issue in this area in my opinion is two fold: - firstly it is down to speed differentials, caused by very slow moving vehicles mixed in with faster vehicles, such as the tractors which caused accidents in the past few weeks. A reduced speed limit would not be effective in addressing that as even a 50mph speed limit would produce a massive speed differential such that high impact accidents could occur. The way to address this problem is to increase speeds by removing the farm vehicles. Close off the accesses and make the road the A64(M) which prevents farm vehicles from using the road. The junction infrastructure is already mostly there. - pedestrians crossing the road. Alas there is little you can do to stop people doing stupid things. All of the bridges etc are there but people choose not to use them as it takes longer. Aside of educating you can't solve this with a 50mph limit. This would make traffic spacing lower (traffic bunches in a 50mph limit and you get more cars in less space) meaning less opportunity to cross, but the lower speeds will encourage people. Getting hit at 50mph will unfortunately be just as fatal as getting hit at 50mph.[/p][/quote]Agreed on both points, although some money will need to be spent on the roads surronding the area so the Farmers can still go about their buisness with ease. Better provision of foot and cycle bridges would improve things no end.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately the Highways Agency have a poor historic record of providing for non-motorised travellers to safely cross trunk roads and motoways. However after a time trialling cyclist was sadly killed near York while riding along the A64, the HA spent a small fortune creating jug handle junctions across high speed exit slip roads, in case more cyclists were minded to make similar journeys. A bridge has to satisfy an environmental impact assessment, to avoid building a blot on the landscape. Presumably the trunk road carrying thousands of vehicles per day, is not similarly regarded as a blot by HIghway Engineers.[/p][/quote]Sorry but your latter information is incorrect. It would be unusual for a new non motorised user bridge to trigger an EIA however it would certainly require an appraisal. In contrast pretty much all new highways require EIA. More than just visual effects are assessed, if you are interested try looking here for what is actually required: http://www.dft.gov.u k/ha/standards/dmrb/ vol11/section1.htm or for EIA here: http://www.legislati on.gov.uk/uksi/2011/ 1824/pdfs/uksi_20111 824_en.pdf UrbanYork
  • Score: 0

5:50pm Wed 30 Apr 14

UrbanYork says...

pedalling paul wrote:
The Great Buda wrote:
BioLogic wrote:
The issue in this area in my opinion is two fold:

- firstly it is down to speed differentials, caused by very slow moving vehicles mixed in with faster vehicles, such as the tractors which caused accidents in the past few weeks. A reduced speed limit would not be effective in addressing that as even a 50mph speed limit would produce a massive speed differential such that high impact accidents could occur. The way to address this problem is to increase speeds by removing the farm vehicles. Close off the accesses and make the road the A64(M) which prevents farm vehicles from using the road. The junction infrastructure is already mostly there.

- pedestrians crossing the road. Alas there is little you can do to stop people doing stupid things. All of the bridges etc are there but people choose not to use them as it takes longer. Aside of educating you can't solve this with a 50mph limit. This would make traffic spacing lower (traffic bunches in a 50mph limit and you get more cars in less space) meaning less opportunity to cross, but the lower speeds will encourage people. Getting hit at 50mph will unfortunately be just as fatal as getting hit at 50mph.
Agreed on both points, although some money will need to be spent on the roads surronding the area so the Farmers can still go about their buisness with ease.

Better provision of foot and cycle bridges would improve things no end.
Unfortunately the Highways Agency have a poor historic record of providing for non-motorised travellers to safely cross trunk roads and motoways.
However after a time trialling cyclist was sadly killed near York while riding along the A64, the HA spent a small fortune creating jug handle junctions across high speed exit slip roads, in case more cyclists were minded to make similar journeys.
A bridge has to satisfy an environmental impact assessment, to avoid building a blot on the landscape. Presumably the trunk road carrying thousands of vehicles per day, is not similarly regarded as a blot by HIghway Engineers.
Sorry but your latter comments are inaccurate. It would be unusual for a new non-motorised user bridge to require an EIA; although an appraisal would be required and the approval process is lengthy. Issues are far wider than just visual effects. See here for information:
http://www.dft.gov.u
k/ha/standards/dmrb/
vol11/index.htm
In contrast pretty much every new highway will require an EIA. The thresholds can be seen here:
http://www.legislati
on.gov.uk/uksi/2011/
1824/pdfs/uksi_20111
824_en.pdf
Before you ask, I do not work for the Highways Agency.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BioLogic[/bold] wrote: The issue in this area in my opinion is two fold: - firstly it is down to speed differentials, caused by very slow moving vehicles mixed in with faster vehicles, such as the tractors which caused accidents in the past few weeks. A reduced speed limit would not be effective in addressing that as even a 50mph speed limit would produce a massive speed differential such that high impact accidents could occur. The way to address this problem is to increase speeds by removing the farm vehicles. Close off the accesses and make the road the A64(M) which prevents farm vehicles from using the road. The junction infrastructure is already mostly there. - pedestrians crossing the road. Alas there is little you can do to stop people doing stupid things. All of the bridges etc are there but people choose not to use them as it takes longer. Aside of educating you can't solve this with a 50mph limit. This would make traffic spacing lower (traffic bunches in a 50mph limit and you get more cars in less space) meaning less opportunity to cross, but the lower speeds will encourage people. Getting hit at 50mph will unfortunately be just as fatal as getting hit at 50mph.[/p][/quote]Agreed on both points, although some money will need to be spent on the roads surronding the area so the Farmers can still go about their buisness with ease. Better provision of foot and cycle bridges would improve things no end.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately the Highways Agency have a poor historic record of providing for non-motorised travellers to safely cross trunk roads and motoways. However after a time trialling cyclist was sadly killed near York while riding along the A64, the HA spent a small fortune creating jug handle junctions across high speed exit slip roads, in case more cyclists were minded to make similar journeys. A bridge has to satisfy an environmental impact assessment, to avoid building a blot on the landscape. Presumably the trunk road carrying thousands of vehicles per day, is not similarly regarded as a blot by HIghway Engineers.[/p][/quote]Sorry but your latter comments are inaccurate. It would be unusual for a new non-motorised user bridge to require an EIA; although an appraisal would be required and the approval process is lengthy. Issues are far wider than just visual effects. See here for information: http://www.dft.gov.u k/ha/standards/dmrb/ vol11/index.htm In contrast pretty much every new highway will require an EIA. The thresholds can be seen here: http://www.legislati on.gov.uk/uksi/2011/ 1824/pdfs/uksi_20111 824_en.pdf Before you ask, I do not work for the Highways Agency. UrbanYork
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