Children arriving at school "hungry and cold" due to parents' money worries

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CHILDREN are going to school hungry, cold and wearing dirty clothes because their parents are struggling for money, a teachers union has warned.

Members of the NASUWT, which represents thousands of teachers North Yorkshire and the North East, have reported that some children are turning up for lessons with mouldy food in their lunchboxes and holes in their uniforms.

A survey of almost 4,000 NASUWT members found that many teachers are giving pupils money out of their own pocket, providing food and lending clothes to help them out.

The president of the NASUWT, Geoff Branner, said that schools alone cannot solve the problems of poverty, poor housing, neglect and abuse.

In a speech at NASUWT's annual conference in Birmingham, Mr Branner said: “Public education is not just about developing an individual’s capacity to earn, it has a moral objective as well - to tackle inequality.

But he added: “Whether education alone can overcome the malign effects of poverty, poor housing, neglect and abuse in all its forms is questionable.”

The poll of NASUWT teachers revealed stories of pupils hugging radiators to keep warm and getting upset when they lose basic items such as pencils and rubbers because they are fearful of the cost of replacing them.

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9:07am Mon 21 Apr 14

eeoodares says...

1) Cancel SKY
2) Stop smoking
3) Learn to cook
4) Wear a jumper
1) Cancel SKY 2) Stop smoking 3) Learn to cook 4) Wear a jumper eeoodares
  • Score: 23

9:18am Mon 21 Apr 14

nearlyman says...

Whilst there are undoubtedly cases where there is real hardship, there are many more where it is the parental prioritisation and competence that creates the situations as described. We have a very generous social security scheme in this country which provides in particular for families with children. That many families manage to send children to school clean, warm and fed is testament to this. In too many cases, the decisions made on where to spend a family’s income are the problem. If luxuries are considered first, then the basics will obviously not be provided. Inequality is a fact of life at whatever income level it occurs. It is, however, far more evident at the lower end of the income scale. The problem is that if you ramp up the income too much at the lowest levels, those people just above that threshold feel unfairly discriminated against as their income becomes the same as those who are supported by the state. It is also nigh impossible to determine what the basic level of income should actually be to live a life free from poverty. Imagine two families; the first perhaps includes two smokers who enjoy a drink and watching sport on sky TV with a liking of take away food. The second are non-smokers with no interest in sport but enjoy fresh home produced food. The bill for these two lifestyles will be very different. Maybe, or not, an extreme example but to what degree should the state fund these contrasting ways of life. Should the first family get the money to finance a £75 a week smoking habit along with the £35 a month Sky subscription and their larger food bill? Or perhaps the second family too should be given that money to finance let’s say cultural outings to the ballet and opera or theatre? This is, and always has been the dilemma at the heart of the matter. As long as we have diverse populations we will live with the consequences.
Whilst there are undoubtedly cases where there is real hardship, there are many more where it is the parental prioritisation and competence that creates the situations as described. We have a very generous social security scheme in this country which provides in particular for families with children. That many families manage to send children to school clean, warm and fed is testament to this. In too many cases, the decisions made on where to spend a family’s income are the problem. If luxuries are considered first, then the basics will obviously not be provided. Inequality is a fact of life at whatever income level it occurs. It is, however, far more evident at the lower end of the income scale. The problem is that if you ramp up the income too much at the lowest levels, those people just above that threshold feel unfairly discriminated against as their income becomes the same as those who are supported by the state. It is also nigh impossible to determine what the basic level of income should actually be to live a life free from poverty. Imagine two families; the first perhaps includes two smokers who enjoy a drink and watching sport on sky TV with a liking of take away food. The second are non-smokers with no interest in sport but enjoy fresh home produced food. The bill for these two lifestyles will be very different. Maybe, or not, an extreme example but to what degree should the state fund these contrasting ways of life. Should the first family get the money to finance a £75 a week smoking habit along with the £35 a month Sky subscription and their larger food bill? Or perhaps the second family too should be given that money to finance let’s say cultural outings to the ballet and opera or theatre? This is, and always has been the dilemma at the heart of the matter. As long as we have diverse populations we will live with the consequences. nearlyman
  • Score: 42

9:25am Mon 21 Apr 14

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

Here we go again with a "Lets blame the poor for all of life's problems" comments thread.

Divide and conquer, the mantra of the Tory party.
Here we go again with a "Lets blame the poor for all of life's problems" comments thread. Divide and conquer, the mantra of the Tory party. NoNewsIsGoodNews
  • Score: -16

9:29am Mon 21 Apr 14

markymmark says...

Are these headlines a case of if you tell someone something often enough - in the end they will believe you ?
Does the unfortunate child with the mouldy lunch box also get taken to school by his parent - who is still dressed in her PJ's and dressing gown ?
Is a hole in your uniform just indicative of poverty or could it be from a fall in the playground whilst enjoying a game of football.
Any chance of some balance here please.
Are these headlines a case of if you tell someone something often enough - in the end they will believe you ? Does the unfortunate child with the mouldy lunch box also get taken to school by his parent - who is still dressed in her PJ's and dressing gown ? Is a hole in your uniform just indicative of poverty or could it be from a fall in the playground whilst enjoying a game of football. Any chance of some balance here please. markymmark
  • Score: 17

9:43am Mon 21 Apr 14

bobsuncle says...

eeoodares wrote:
1) Cancel SKY
2) Stop smoking
3) Learn to cook
4) Wear a jumper
It gets worse! Nowadays, not everyone is living on a lot, some will find it hard to get a 20 pence piece out of their purse/wallet. This isn't always their fault. Obviously, there is mick-takers around, but that's society and we have to put up with that. What the government should now be doing is identifying these parents and helping them (with luck). Money is tight, and money pay's all the bills off, as we know. Many can't afford this and these people need help. No teacher should be forced into paying for a students meal unless they really really really have to. There is a boundary between this sort of stuff and sending your child to school must be some cry for help!!!
[quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: 1) Cancel SKY 2) Stop smoking 3) Learn to cook 4) Wear a jumper[/p][/quote]It gets worse! Nowadays, not everyone is living on a lot, some will find it hard to get a 20 pence piece out of their purse/wallet. This isn't always their fault. Obviously, there is mick-takers around, but that's society and we have to put up with that. What the government should now be doing is identifying these parents and helping them (with luck). Money is tight, and money pay's all the bills off, as we know. Many can't afford this and these people need help. No teacher should be forced into paying for a students meal unless they really really really have to. There is a boundary between this sort of stuff and sending your child to school must be some cry for help!!! bobsuncle
  • Score: 8

9:45am Mon 21 Apr 14

nearlyman says...

NoNewsIsGoodNews wrote:
Here we go again with a "Lets blame the poor for all of life's problems" comments thread.

Divide and conquer, the mantra of the Tory party.
This is nothing to do with 'blaming' the poor and very little, i suspect, to do with the Tory party. It is to do with parenting in this century. Screaming 'wicked Tories' in the usual hysterical way will do nothing to address the issue. How would you solve the problem ?
[quote][p][bold]NoNewsIsGoodNews[/bold] wrote: Here we go again with a "Lets blame the poor for all of life's problems" comments thread. Divide and conquer, the mantra of the Tory party.[/p][/quote]This is nothing to do with 'blaming' the poor and very little, i suspect, to do with the Tory party. It is to do with parenting in this century. Screaming 'wicked Tories' in the usual hysterical way will do nothing to address the issue. How would you solve the problem ? nearlyman
  • Score: 25

9:54am Mon 21 Apr 14

nearlyman says...

bobsuncle wrote:
eeoodares wrote:
1) Cancel SKY
2) Stop smoking
3) Learn to cook
4) Wear a jumper
It gets worse! Nowadays, not everyone is living on a lot, some will find it hard to get a 20 pence piece out of their purse/wallet. This isn't always their fault. Obviously, there is mick-takers around, but that's society and we have to put up with that. What the government should now be doing is identifying these parents and helping them (with luck). Money is tight, and money pay's all the bills off, as we know. Many can't afford this and these people need help. No teacher should be forced into paying for a students meal unless they really really really have to. There is a boundary between this sort of stuff and sending your child to school must be some cry for help!!!
No teacher should be forced into paying for a students meal. Full Stop.
The fact that many teachers have the kindness to do so does not solve anything. It only demonstrates their humanity.
How should the Government identify these parents ? Purely on a financial basis or on competance ? More impotantly, in what form should the help be given ?
[quote][p][bold]bobsuncle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: 1) Cancel SKY 2) Stop smoking 3) Learn to cook 4) Wear a jumper[/p][/quote]It gets worse! Nowadays, not everyone is living on a lot, some will find it hard to get a 20 pence piece out of their purse/wallet. This isn't always their fault. Obviously, there is mick-takers around, but that's society and we have to put up with that. What the government should now be doing is identifying these parents and helping them (with luck). Money is tight, and money pay's all the bills off, as we know. Many can't afford this and these people need help. No teacher should be forced into paying for a students meal unless they really really really have to. There is a boundary between this sort of stuff and sending your child to school must be some cry for help!!![/p][/quote]No teacher should be forced into paying for a students meal. Full Stop. The fact that many teachers have the kindness to do so does not solve anything. It only demonstrates their humanity. How should the Government identify these parents ? Purely on a financial basis or on competance ? More impotantly, in what form should the help be given ? nearlyman
  • Score: 10

9:55am Mon 21 Apr 14

nearlyman says...

nearlyman wrote:
NoNewsIsGoodNews wrote:
Here we go again with a "Lets blame the poor for all of life's problems" comments thread.

Divide and conquer, the mantra of the Tory party.
This is nothing to do with 'blaming' the poor and very little, i suspect, to do with the Tory party. It is to do with parenting in this century. Screaming 'wicked Tories' in the usual hysterical way will do nothing to address the issue. How would you solve the problem ?
Sorry, second part of that was directed to bobsuncle.
[quote][p][bold]nearlyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NoNewsIsGoodNews[/bold] wrote: Here we go again with a "Lets blame the poor for all of life's problems" comments thread. Divide and conquer, the mantra of the Tory party.[/p][/quote]This is nothing to do with 'blaming' the poor and very little, i suspect, to do with the Tory party. It is to do with parenting in this century. Screaming 'wicked Tories' in the usual hysterical way will do nothing to address the issue. How would you solve the problem ?[/p][/quote]Sorry, second part of that was directed to bobsuncle. nearlyman
  • Score: -1

10:53am Mon 21 Apr 14

Tigerstolly says...

Bizzare tory bashing in the comments, i'm not sure that parental neglect is a well known trait of any particular political party.
Bizzare tory bashing in the comments, i'm not sure that parental neglect is a well known trait of any particular political party. Tigerstolly
  • Score: 17

10:59am Mon 21 Apr 14

Tigerstolly says...

As to the point, children coming from disadvantaged backgrounds are typically provided with free school meals, so the mouldy food point is a little strange to understand. The school would also typically be in receipt of pupil premium for those pupils, funding which for example would provide for dedicated teaching assistants to ensure these pupils are given every chance to attain. I'm sure this funding would also cover school uniforms if the parents approach the school for help.

As someone who spends a little bit of time within the education system, its sad to relate that the root cause of pupil issues is often the parent, not the circumstances.
As to the point, children coming from disadvantaged backgrounds are typically provided with free school meals, so the mouldy food point is a little strange to understand. The school would also typically be in receipt of pupil premium for those pupils, funding which for example would provide for dedicated teaching assistants to ensure these pupils are given every chance to attain. I'm sure this funding would also cover school uniforms if the parents approach the school for help. As someone who spends a little bit of time within the education system, its sad to relate that the root cause of pupil issues is often the parent, not the circumstances. Tigerstolly
  • Score: 23

12:32pm Mon 21 Apr 14

eeoodares says...

NoNewsIsGoodNews wrote:
Here we go again with a "Lets blame the poor for all of life's problems" comments thread.

Divide and conquer, the mantra of the Tory party.
Not blaming the poor, I am blaming the parents.

You are blaming a political party, do you think its about time you took responsibility for your own actions?

Ask many people over forty, ask anybody over 60 and they will tell you about freezing houses with ice on the inside of the windows, they will also tell you that you learn to get dressed quick and that you can spin at least another meal out of leftovers.

As for my comment on SKY, please feel free to pass through some of the 'poorest' areas of York and count the dishes.
[quote][p][bold]NoNewsIsGoodNews[/bold] wrote: Here we go again with a "Lets blame the poor for all of life's problems" comments thread. Divide and conquer, the mantra of the Tory party.[/p][/quote]Not blaming the poor, I am blaming the parents. You are blaming a political party, do you think its about time you took responsibility for your own actions? Ask many people over forty, ask anybody over 60 and they will tell you about freezing houses with ice on the inside of the windows, they will also tell you that you learn to get dressed quick and that you can spin at least another meal out of leftovers. As for my comment on SKY, please feel free to pass through some of the 'poorest' areas of York and count the dishes. eeoodares
  • Score: 16

1:37pm Mon 21 Apr 14

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

Tigerstolly wrote:
Bizzare tory bashing in the comments, i'm not sure that parental neglect is a well known trait of any particular political party.
It's not just Tory bashing, it's the whole political system that needs fixing.
Doesn't matter who is in power, the rich get rich and the poor get poorer.
[quote][p][bold]Tigerstolly[/bold] wrote: Bizzare tory bashing in the comments, i'm not sure that parental neglect is a well known trait of any particular political party.[/p][/quote]It's not just Tory bashing, it's the whole political system that needs fixing. Doesn't matter who is in power, the rich get rich and the poor get poorer. NoNewsIsGoodNews
  • Score: 2

1:43pm Mon 21 Apr 14

nearlyman says...

NoNewsIsGoodNews wrote:
Tigerstolly wrote:
Bizzare tory bashing in the comments, i'm not sure that parental neglect is a well known trait of any particular political party.
It's not just Tory bashing, it's the whole political system that needs fixing.
Doesn't matter who is in power, the rich get rich and the poor get poorer.
............So what would you do...............com
munism ??
[quote][p][bold]NoNewsIsGoodNews[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tigerstolly[/bold] wrote: Bizzare tory bashing in the comments, i'm not sure that parental neglect is a well known trait of any particular political party.[/p][/quote]It's not just Tory bashing, it's the whole political system that needs fixing. Doesn't matter who is in power, the rich get rich and the poor get poorer.[/p][/quote]............So what would you do...............com munism ?? nearlyman
  • Score: 4

1:58pm Mon 21 Apr 14

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

nearlyman wrote:
NoNewsIsGoodNews wrote:
Tigerstolly wrote:
Bizzare tory bashing in the comments, i'm not sure that parental neglect is a well known trait of any particular political party.
It's not just Tory bashing, it's the whole political system that needs fixing.
Doesn't matter who is in power, the rich get rich and the poor get poorer.
............So what would you do...............com

munism ??
Don't look to me for answers.
Look to your so called leaders.
you voted for them, get them to sort it out.
[quote][p][bold]nearlyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NoNewsIsGoodNews[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tigerstolly[/bold] wrote: Bizzare tory bashing in the comments, i'm not sure that parental neglect is a well known trait of any particular political party.[/p][/quote]It's not just Tory bashing, it's the whole political system that needs fixing. Doesn't matter who is in power, the rich get rich and the poor get poorer.[/p][/quote]............So what would you do...............com munism ??[/p][/quote]Don't look to me for answers. Look to your so called leaders. you voted for them, get them to sort it out. NoNewsIsGoodNews
  • Score: -4

2:19pm Mon 21 Apr 14

nearlyman says...

NoNewsIsGoodNews wrote:
nearlyman wrote:
NoNewsIsGoodNews wrote:
Tigerstolly wrote:
Bizzare tory bashing in the comments, i'm not sure that parental neglect is a well known trait of any particular political party.
It's not just Tory bashing, it's the whole political system that needs fixing.
Doesn't matter who is in power, the rich get rich and the poor get poorer.
............So what would you do...............com


munism ??
Don't look to me for answers.
Look to your so called leaders.
you voted for them, get them to sort it out.
.................so, nothing to offer then, pass the buck......not your responsibility.....n
ever mind someone else will sort out all your problems. That explains so much.
[quote][p][bold]NoNewsIsGoodNews[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nearlyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NoNewsIsGoodNews[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tigerstolly[/bold] wrote: Bizzare tory bashing in the comments, i'm not sure that parental neglect is a well known trait of any particular political party.[/p][/quote]It's not just Tory bashing, it's the whole political system that needs fixing. Doesn't matter who is in power, the rich get rich and the poor get poorer.[/p][/quote]............So what would you do...............com munism ??[/p][/quote]Don't look to me for answers. Look to your so called leaders. you voted for them, get them to sort it out.[/p][/quote].................so, nothing to offer then, pass the buck......not your responsibility.....n ever mind someone else will sort out all your problems. That explains so much. nearlyman
  • Score: 4

4:51pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Woody G Mellor says...

What's wrong with Tory bashing? Every Tory deserves a good bashing!

Feed The Poor. Eat The Rich.
What's wrong with Tory bashing? Every Tory deserves a good bashing! Feed The Poor. Eat The Rich. Woody G Mellor
  • Score: -2

5:36pm Mon 21 Apr 14

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

nearlyman wrote:
NoNewsIsGoodNews wrote:
nearlyman wrote:
NoNewsIsGoodNews wrote:
Tigerstolly wrote:
Bizzare tory bashing in the comments, i'm not sure that parental neglect is a well known trait of any particular political party.
It's not just Tory bashing, it's the whole political system that needs fixing.
Doesn't matter who is in power, the rich get rich and the poor get poorer.
............So what would you do...............com



munism ??
Don't look to me for answers.
Look to your so called leaders.
you voted for them, get them to sort it out.
.................so, nothing to offer then, pass the buck......not your responsibility.....n

ever mind someone else will sort out all your problems. That explains so much.
When did they all of a sudden become my problems?
[quote][p][bold]nearlyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NoNewsIsGoodNews[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nearlyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NoNewsIsGoodNews[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tigerstolly[/bold] wrote: Bizzare tory bashing in the comments, i'm not sure that parental neglect is a well known trait of any particular political party.[/p][/quote]It's not just Tory bashing, it's the whole political system that needs fixing. Doesn't matter who is in power, the rich get rich and the poor get poorer.[/p][/quote]............So what would you do...............com munism ??[/p][/quote]Don't look to me for answers. Look to your so called leaders. you voted for them, get them to sort it out.[/p][/quote].................so, nothing to offer then, pass the buck......not your responsibility.....n ever mind someone else will sort out all your problems. That explains so much.[/p][/quote]When did they all of a sudden become my problems? NoNewsIsGoodNews
  • Score: -2

7:43pm Mon 21 Apr 14

janice gray says...

I agree, some parents don´t have their priorities right. Give up the cigarettes, sky subs. sell their iphones and clothe them from the many charity shops that are in York. When I had my first child 41 years ago, there were no such shops, only jumble sales and I bought second hand furniture too from Cramptons Sale Room .
I agree, some parents don´t have their priorities right. Give up the cigarettes, sky subs. sell their iphones and clothe them from the many charity shops that are in York. When I had my first child 41 years ago, there were no such shops, only jumble sales and I bought second hand furniture too from Cramptons Sale Room . janice gray
  • Score: 10

8:16pm Mon 21 Apr 14

MouseHouse says...

As per usual there are a lot of causes. There will be some parents who cannot be bothered. There will be some parents who do not know how to cook a meal (oh yes they exist), or how to prepare fresh veg. There are also some parents who are too poor, who don't have sky, who don't smoke or drink etc. or are genuinely skint. It is those families we are letting down - instead of funding a decent level of social care, millionaire Dave Cameron, and before him Millionaire Tony Blair decided to spend £one hundred billion on a useless nuclear submarine nuclear bomb. Both of these chaps claimed to be Christians!
As per usual there are a lot of causes. There will be some parents who cannot be bothered. There will be some parents who do not know how to cook a meal (oh yes they exist), or how to prepare fresh veg. There are also some parents who are too poor, who don't have sky, who don't smoke or drink etc. or are genuinely skint. It is those families we are letting down - instead of funding a decent level of social care, millionaire Dave Cameron, and before him Millionaire Tony Blair decided to spend £one hundred billion on a useless nuclear submarine nuclear bomb. Both of these chaps claimed to be Christians! MouseHouse
  • Score: -5

10:37pm Mon 21 Apr 14

welf_man says...

eeoodares wrote:
NoNewsIsGoodNews wrote:
Here we go again with a "Lets blame the poor for all of life's problems" comments thread.

Divide and conquer, the mantra of the Tory party.
Not blaming the poor, I am blaming the parents.

You are blaming a political party, do you think its about time you took responsibility for your own actions?

Ask many people over forty, ask anybody over 60 and they will tell you about freezing houses with ice on the inside of the windows, they will also tell you that you learn to get dressed quick and that you can spin at least another meal out of leftovers.

As for my comment on SKY, please feel free to pass through some of the 'poorest' areas of York and count the dishes.
"...As for my comment on SKY, please feel free to pass through some of the 'poorest' areas of York and count the dishes"


Because having a Sky dish on your house automatically means that the current tenant/owner is the one who installed it, and that it is used for a paid service not just Freeview?

And to other commenters - you only get free school meals if in receipt of certain benefits, even if you are not entitled to benefits and on a low income.

Hopefully some of these children will be helped by the free school meals for infants policy.
[quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NoNewsIsGoodNews[/bold] wrote: Here we go again with a "Lets blame the poor for all of life's problems" comments thread. Divide and conquer, the mantra of the Tory party.[/p][/quote]Not blaming the poor, I am blaming the parents. You are blaming a political party, do you think its about time you took responsibility for your own actions? Ask many people over forty, ask anybody over 60 and they will tell you about freezing houses with ice on the inside of the windows, they will also tell you that you learn to get dressed quick and that you can spin at least another meal out of leftovers. As for my comment on SKY, please feel free to pass through some of the 'poorest' areas of York and count the dishes.[/p][/quote][quote]"...As for my comment on SKY, please feel free to pass through some of the 'poorest' areas of York and count the dishes"[/quote] Because having a Sky dish on your house automatically means that the current tenant/owner is the one who installed it, and that it is used for a paid service not just Freeview? And to other commenters - you only get free school meals if in receipt of certain benefits, even if you are not entitled to benefits and on a low income. Hopefully some of these children will be helped by the free school meals for infants policy. welf_man
  • Score: 1

1:56am Tue 22 Apr 14

asd says...

I guess the idiot who says all poor having sky etc doesnt realise that its a digital tv anymore and actually a one of payment for freesat or firebird means you can get free tv. also maybe they dont have sky anymore as they were working and now dont and use freeview and sky does not come back and collect dish. . people sometimes fall on that line where they have income where they are only just over the line for free school meals so they can be worse off.
Typical right wing b***sh*t as usual on here, poverty doesnt exist because im ignorant and close my eyes to what is actually really happening so I am right ,literally. Shouldnt matter if your right wing left wing what ever, poeverty is poverty and as a civilised (loosley termed) we should be doing our best to help those less fortuante than ourselfs.
I guess the idiot who says all poor having sky etc doesnt realise that its a digital tv anymore and actually a one of payment for freesat or firebird means you can get free tv. also maybe they dont have sky anymore as they were working and now dont and use freeview and sky does not come back and collect dish. . people sometimes fall on that line where they have income where they are only just over the line for free school meals so they can be worse off. Typical right wing b***sh*t as usual on here, poverty doesnt exist because im ignorant and close my eyes to what is actually really happening so I am right ,literally. Shouldnt matter if your right wing left wing what ever, poeverty is poverty and as a civilised (loosley termed) we should be doing our best to help those less fortuante than ourselfs. asd
  • Score: 0

10:06am Tue 22 Apr 14

eeoodares says...

asd wrote:
I guess the idiot who says all poor having sky etc doesnt realise that its a digital tv anymore and actually a one of payment for freesat or firebird means you can get free tv. also maybe they dont have sky anymore as they were working and now dont and use freeview and sky does not come back and collect dish. . people sometimes fall on that line where they have income where they are only just over the line for free school meals so they can be worse off.
Typical right wing b***sh*t as usual on here, poverty doesnt exist because im ignorant and close my eyes to what is actually really happening so I am right ,literally. Shouldnt matter if your right wing left wing what ever, poeverty is poverty and as a civilised (loosley termed) we should be doing our best to help those less fortuante than ourselfs.
Typical left wing, don't blame me, blame them, no responsibility, oh they have more money than me so they must be bad! I am sick of hearing this dogma from the likes of you!

It is about time that people took responsibility for their own actions.

Poverty does exist, I have seen it many times in many countries, some of the people I have seen in poverty might disagree with your definition of it here in York. So stop blaming others, get some self respect and allow others to gain theirs by not giving handouts and letting them work.

People like you are what is destroying communities and this Country!
[quote][p][bold]asd[/bold] wrote: I guess the idiot who says all poor having sky etc doesnt realise that its a digital tv anymore and actually a one of payment for freesat or firebird means you can get free tv. also maybe they dont have sky anymore as they were working and now dont and use freeview and sky does not come back and collect dish. . people sometimes fall on that line where they have income where they are only just over the line for free school meals so they can be worse off. Typical right wing b***sh*t as usual on here, poverty doesnt exist because im ignorant and close my eyes to what is actually really happening so I am right ,literally. Shouldnt matter if your right wing left wing what ever, poeverty is poverty and as a civilised (loosley termed) we should be doing our best to help those less fortuante than ourselfs.[/p][/quote]Typical left wing, don't blame me, blame them, no responsibility, oh they have more money than me so they must be bad! I am sick of hearing this dogma from the likes of you! It is about time that people took responsibility for their own actions. Poverty does exist, I have seen it many times in many countries, some of the people I have seen in poverty might disagree with your definition of it here in York. So stop blaming others, get some self respect and allow others to gain theirs by not giving handouts and letting them work. People like you are what is destroying communities and this Country! eeoodares
  • Score: 0

11:30am Tue 22 Apr 14

Firedrake says...

In order for anybody to "take responsibility" for anything, they must first be "taught" that this is the proper attitude to have. Ideally, this is the duty of parents first and schools second. Clearly some parents fail miserably in this regard (probably because they were failed themselves as children) and this puts a greater burden on schools, the social services and - ultimately - on the legal system. Of course, schools and social services also fail from time to time as well. No human organisation will ever be perfect, after all.

What concerns me deeply (as I pointed out in a previous post on a related topic) is the constant assumption that if the poor - of whatever age - don't pull themselves up by their own bootstraps" it's because they don't want to. Obviously there will be some for whom this is indeed the case, but I do wish we'd stop tarring everyone with the same brush.

For the record, I think nearlyman's opening post is more observational than party political: it asks questions which should be addressed all of us who are interested in these matters, regardless of our personal ideologies.

PS: I was amused by his reference to state support for people wishing to attend the ballet or the opera: I seem to recall that the Soviet Union was very keen tpo promote this ... but for everybody!
In order for anybody to "take responsibility" for anything, they must first be "taught" that this is the proper attitude to have. Ideally, this is the duty of parents first and schools second. Clearly some parents fail miserably in this regard (probably because they were failed themselves as children) and this puts a greater burden on schools, the social services and - ultimately - on the legal system. Of course, schools and social services also fail from time to time as well. No human organisation will ever be perfect, after all. What concerns me deeply (as I pointed out in a previous post on a related topic) is the constant assumption that if the poor - of whatever age - don't pull themselves up by their own bootstraps" it's because they don't want to. Obviously there will be some for whom this is indeed the case, but I do wish we'd stop tarring everyone with the same brush. For the record, I think nearlyman's opening post is more observational than party political: it asks questions which should be addressed all of us who are interested in these matters, regardless of our personal ideologies. PS: I was amused by his reference to state support for people wishing to attend the ballet or the opera: I seem to recall that the Soviet Union was very keen tpo promote this ... but for everybody! Firedrake
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12:06pm Tue 22 Apr 14

mamaanne says...

It's funny how all these poor household budget decisions increase or decrease according to the government of the day. Either the poorest and sickest are suffering hugely increased poverty under the Tories or they have become much more stupid under the Tories and can no longer prioritise their spending.
Either way life is much worse for them and the "put a jumper on" brigade should hide their heads in shame. "Put a holey jumper on top of your hungry smelly body...because we are all in it together, don't ya know?" Well if we are all in it together we should be looking out for the poorest, hungriest and sickest in our communities, regardless of our political persuasion, and not rubbing salt into their wounds by accusing them of being uncaring parents.
It's funny how all these poor household budget decisions increase or decrease according to the government of the day. Either the poorest and sickest are suffering hugely increased poverty under the Tories or they have become much more stupid under the Tories and can no longer prioritise their spending. Either way life is much worse for them and the "put a jumper on" brigade should hide their heads in shame. "Put a holey jumper on top of your hungry smelly body...because we are all in it together, don't ya know?" Well if we are all in it together we should be looking out for the poorest, hungriest and sickest in our communities, regardless of our political persuasion, and not rubbing salt into their wounds by accusing them of being uncaring parents. mamaanne
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1:26pm Tue 22 Apr 14

York2000 says...

eeoodares - You spout so many cliches, it's difficult to know where to begin. Alas, you are not worth the effort. You are what is known as a 'useful idiot' to governments. They get to shaft everyone and you are blind to it because they give you a chance to peddle your hatred.

You are another cowardly, nasty comments poster who no doubt gets a thrill of self satisfaction with each post sent. You must be really proud. Well done you.
eeoodares - You spout so many cliches, it's difficult to know where to begin. Alas, you are not worth the effort. You are what is known as a 'useful idiot' to governments. They get to shaft everyone and you are blind to it because they give you a chance to peddle your hatred. You are another cowardly, nasty comments poster who no doubt gets a thrill of self satisfaction with each post sent. You must be really proud. Well done you. York2000
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2:48pm Wed 23 Apr 14

long distance depressive says...

No doubt there are a few 'poor people' who have struggled in this respect but let's get real...free meals and plenty of hand outs really should negate this 'can't afford to feed me kids' excuse. It's easy to comment on Sky TV and latest mobiles or must-have trainers BUT sadly this is not far from the truth in many cases. Lazy parenting, poor prioritisation and 'let's blame anybody else' are largely to blame in most cases. A bowl of cereal and wearing a jumper if it's nippy is not beyond anybody. Most teenagers turn up to school cold and wet anyway because it's just not cool to wear a rainproof.
No doubt there are a few 'poor people' who have struggled in this respect but let's get real...free meals and plenty of hand outs really should negate this 'can't afford to feed me kids' excuse. It's easy to comment on Sky TV and latest mobiles or must-have trainers BUT sadly this is not far from the truth in many cases. Lazy parenting, poor prioritisation and 'let's blame anybody else' are largely to blame in most cases. A bowl of cereal and wearing a jumper if it's nippy is not beyond anybody. Most teenagers turn up to school cold and wet anyway because it's just not cool to wear a rainproof. long distance depressive
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5:56pm Sun 27 Apr 14

Mrs.C72 says...

nearlyman wrote:
bobsuncle wrote:
eeoodares wrote:
1) Cancel SKY
2) Stop smoking
3) Learn to cook
4) Wear a jumper
It gets worse! Nowadays, not everyone is living on a lot, some will find it hard to get a 20 pence piece out of their purse/wallet. This isn't always their fault. Obviously, there is mick-takers around, but that's society and we have to put up with that. What the government should now be doing is identifying these parents and helping them (with luck). Money is tight, and money pay's all the bills off, as we know. Many can't afford this and these people need help. No teacher should be forced into paying for a students meal unless they really really really have to. There is a boundary between this sort of stuff and sending your child to school must be some cry for help!!!
No teacher should be forced into paying for a students meal. Full Stop.
The fact that many teachers have the kindness to do so does not solve anything. It only demonstrates their humanity.
How should the Government identify these parents ? Purely on a financial basis or on competance ? More impotantly, in what form should the help be given ?
I work in a school in the States and I keep money in my desk drawer specifically for students who can't pay for their lunch. Sometimes it is because the family is strapped for money but sometimes it is just neglectful parents who can't be bothered to send in money or pack a lunch. I know which students are financially struggling and those who are not, get a note home saying they own the lunch fund money. It is very difficult to tell a child they can't have lunch for any reason. School staff can usually identify poor students from the neglected ones. Those with financial problems should be eligible for free lunches and the others, maybe social services should visit to find out why they are not ensuring their children have lunch.
[quote][p][bold]nearlyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bobsuncle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: 1) Cancel SKY 2) Stop smoking 3) Learn to cook 4) Wear a jumper[/p][/quote]It gets worse! Nowadays, not everyone is living on a lot, some will find it hard to get a 20 pence piece out of their purse/wallet. This isn't always their fault. Obviously, there is mick-takers around, but that's society and we have to put up with that. What the government should now be doing is identifying these parents and helping them (with luck). Money is tight, and money pay's all the bills off, as we know. Many can't afford this and these people need help. No teacher should be forced into paying for a students meal unless they really really really have to. There is a boundary between this sort of stuff and sending your child to school must be some cry for help!!![/p][/quote]No teacher should be forced into paying for a students meal. Full Stop. The fact that many teachers have the kindness to do so does not solve anything. It only demonstrates their humanity. How should the Government identify these parents ? Purely on a financial basis or on competance ? More impotantly, in what form should the help be given ?[/p][/quote]I work in a school in the States and I keep money in my desk drawer specifically for students who can't pay for their lunch. Sometimes it is because the family is strapped for money but sometimes it is just neglectful parents who can't be bothered to send in money or pack a lunch. I know which students are financially struggling and those who are not, get a note home saying they own the lunch fund money. It is very difficult to tell a child they can't have lunch for any reason. School staff can usually identify poor students from the neglected ones. Those with financial problems should be eligible for free lunches and the others, maybe social services should visit to find out why they are not ensuring their children have lunch. Mrs.C72
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