Ombudsman criticises York council over draft Local Plan papers

Ombudsman criticises York council over draft Local Plan papers

Ombudsman criticises York council over draft Local Plan papers

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A WATCHDOG has criticised City of York Council for failing to make background papers available for public inspection before it launched its draft Local Plan last summer.

The Local Government Ombudsman, giving its provisional view on a complaint about the authority, also said that by not finalising some papers before a meeting, the council had left itself open to allegations of intentionally withholding information from the public.

It has also recommended that the council should finalise background papers before public meetings and make them available for inspection before such meetings in accordance with regulations, and that the council should provide training to relevant staff to ensure they are fully aware of the requirements of regulations.

The complaint was made by local economic development adviser Gwen Swinburn, who on May 14 last year asked to see a report which she considered was a background paper to the Local Plan preferred options.

The Ombudsman said the council told her it was not yet able to share the report but all the supporting documents and studies would be made available on June 5, when the public consultation on the Plan would start.

"It explained that it was finalising and checking some of the studies to ensure the information was organised and presented in a co-ordinated and coherent way," said the Ombudsman. "The report was then made available on June 5."

Th Ombudsman said Ms Swinburn claimed that when the background papers were made available in June, it was clear from the dates that some of them had been finalised before April and the council failed to comply with regulation requirements by not making all the background papers available before a cabinet meeting on April 30.

"I consider that, on the balance of probabilities, at least one of the background documents had been finalised before the Cabinet meeting on April 30 and therefore should have been made available for inspection by members of the public," it said.

"This was administrative fault. I will reconsider this view if the council is able to provide evidence to show that each of the background documents had not been finalised before April 30."

Ms Swinburn said she had complained to the Ombudsman because she believed there was a growing disregard for democracy at the authority and she was pleased by the provisional view.

Council director Darren Richardson said: “We are looking at the Ombudsman’s provisional comments and will be preparing a response to this soon. Until this has been carried out, we’re unable to add any further comment at this stage.”

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8:25am Sat 19 Apr 14

AnotherPointofView says...

"Ms Swinburn said she had complained to the Ombudsman because she believed there was a growing disregard for democracy at the authority and she was pleased by the provisional view."

Well done Gwen. A total disregard for democracy is something this administration has been very good at. It would appear they are just realising that there elections next year. They way this lot have been riding roughshod over the electorate has been appalling. Roll on the 2015 elections.
"Ms Swinburn said she had complained to the Ombudsman because she believed there was a growing disregard for democracy at the authority and she was pleased by the provisional view." Well done Gwen. A total disregard for democracy is something this administration has been very good at. It would appear they are just realising that there elections next year. They way this lot have been riding roughshod over the electorate has been appalling. Roll on the 2015 elections. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: -61

9:41am Sat 19 Apr 14

eboricana says...

Completely agree with the above comment This council has the collective IQ of a pork pie! They included New Earswick in the Local Plan - D'OH! Joseph Rowntree if I am correct made a everlasting covenant to the effect that only the Trust could build in the village - this council would be hilarious if it was not for the fact that we, as council tax payers, are( a.) their employers and (b). cannot sack them! I am not sure but I think Waller is still unemployed ! In the words of Lauren the teenager the wonderful creation of Catherine Tate: ' AM I BOVVERED?' (About the possibility of Alexander and his rag and bone band being unemployed and unemployable - a bit fat NO!!!!!
Completely agree with the above comment This council has the collective IQ of a pork pie! They included New Earswick in the Local Plan - D'OH! Joseph Rowntree if I am correct made a everlasting covenant to the effect that only the Trust could build in the village - this council would be hilarious if it was not for the fact that we, as council tax payers, are( a.) their employers and (b). cannot sack them! I am not sure but I think Waller is still unemployed ! In the words of Lauren the teenager the wonderful creation of Catherine Tate: ' AM I BOVVERED?' (About the possibility of Alexander and his rag and bone band being unemployed and unemployable - a bit fat NO!!!!! eboricana
  • Score: -77

10:05am Sat 19 Apr 14

courier46 says...

And they wonder why we don't trust or have any faith in this present group who purport to be democratic.They have no interest in York people and I admit I am very worried for the coming months.We need them out now!!!!!!!
And they wonder why we don't trust or have any faith in this present group who purport to be democratic.They have no interest in York people and I admit I am very worried for the coming months.We need them out now!!!!!!! courier46
  • Score: -56

11:46am Sat 19 Apr 14

roskoboskovic says...

gwen,if you had had dealings with these clowns before then nothing would surprise you.when the good people of york go to the polls surely they could never ever consider voting for alexander and co unless of course there are far more cyclist obsessed lefties than i thought.
gwen,if you had had dealings with these clowns before then nothing would surprise you.when the good people of york go to the polls surely they could never ever consider voting for alexander and co unless of course there are far more cyclist obsessed lefties than i thought. roskoboskovic
  • Score: -80

12:01pm Sat 19 Apr 14

Sage9 says...

".... the council should finalise background papers before public meetings and make them available for inspection before such meetings ...."

Couldn't put it better myself. The same should apply to the Lendal Bridge fiasco. There should be a full report on the costs and where money will come from if fines have to be repaid. I would suggest suspending the 20mph plans now so the money can be saved for now and the citizens can be consulted.
".... the council should finalise background papers before public meetings and make them available for inspection before such meetings ...." Couldn't put it better myself. The same should apply to the Lendal Bridge fiasco. There should be a full report on the costs and where money will come from if fines have to be repaid. I would suggest suspending the 20mph plans now so the money can be saved for now and the citizens can be consulted. Sage9
  • Score: -62

1:04pm Sat 19 Apr 14

gmsgop says...

This is not a small matter. The council flouted the law in the first place, I complained to the Police who recognised the issues, but even though it is a criminal offence to withhold these documents did not prosecute as it was not a recordable offence. They referred it on, and shockingly city if York council made no attempt to supply any evidence to the Ombudsman.

In a series of embarrassing proposed actions, staff are to be trained to publish background papers in accordance with the law. Pity then only in the last couple of days I have had to formally complain for exactly the same issue - the Director responsible set the tone we are all struggling with- "reports can be added to a published agenda in a lead up to a meeting' says it all - the pothole meeting had to be cancelled anyway as it had been convened illegally - but the ombudsman will be disturbed to see the approach to transparency from Director Floyd -2days before a one item agenda the report had not been published
This is not a small matter. The council flouted the law in the first place, I complained to the Police who recognised the issues, but even though it is a criminal offence to withhold these documents did not prosecute as it was not a recordable offence. They referred it on, and shockingly city if York council made no attempt to supply any evidence to the Ombudsman. In a series of embarrassing proposed actions, staff are to be trained to publish background papers in accordance with the law. Pity then only in the last couple of days I have had to formally complain for exactly the same issue - the Director responsible set the tone we are all struggling with- "reports can be added to a published agenda in a lead up to a meeting' says it all - the pothole meeting had to be cancelled anyway as it had been convened illegally - but the ombudsman will be disturbed to see the approach to transparency from Director Floyd -2days before a one item agenda the report had not been published gmsgop
  • Score: -52

1:27pm Sat 19 Apr 14

Sillybillies says...

More maladministration by Alexander & Co. Vote them out next year and make sure Alexander never holds public office again.
More maladministration by Alexander & Co. Vote them out next year and make sure Alexander never holds public office again. Sillybillies
  • Score: -33

2:29pm Sat 19 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

Nice to see that the score hacker hasn't been here yet.

Scores so far....

All +
20, 13, 8, 5, 5, 7, 3 & 5
Nice to see that the score hacker hasn't been here yet. Scores so far.... All + 20, 13, 8, 5, 5, 7, 3 & 5 Badgers Drift
  • Score: -25

3:03pm Sat 19 Apr 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
Nice to see that the score hacker hasn't been here yet.

Scores so far....

All +
20, 13, 8, 5, 5, 7, 3 & 5
Anyone at minus two?
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: Nice to see that the score hacker hasn't been here yet. Scores so far.... All + 20, 13, 8, 5, 5, 7, 3 & 5[/p][/quote]Anyone at minus two? Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 45

5:12pm Sat 19 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: Nice to see that the score hacker hasn't been here yet. Scores so far.... All + 20, 13, 8, 5, 5, 7, 3 & 5
Anyone at minus two?
Latest (pre-hacked) scores:-

All +
25, 15, 10, 8, 9, 12, 7, 8, 6,
except...
-5 (Buzzz)
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: Nice to see that the score hacker hasn't been here yet. Scores so far.... All + 20, 13, 8, 5, 5, 7, 3 & 5[/p][/quote]Anyone at minus two?[/p][/quote]Latest (pre-hacked) scores:- All + 25, 15, 10, 8, 9, 12, 7, 8, 6, except... -5 (Buzzz) Badgers Drift
  • Score: -34

5:45pm Sat 19 Apr 14

gmsgop says...

Sage9 wrote:
".... the council should finalise background papers before public meetings and make them available for inspection before such meetings ...."

Couldn't put it better myself. The same should apply to the Lendal Bridge fiasco. There should be a full report on the costs and where money will come from if fines have to be repaid. I would suggest suspending the 20mph plans now so the money can be saved for now and the citizens can be consulted.
I am in correspondence with Kersten England and Ian Floyd asking some very specific questions on the Lendal Bridge closure democratic process. I believe there is an entire series of fails in this process - I am waiting for internal responses before taking it further. This will include the old favourite of background papers- what is an urgent decision- what is a key decision, what should have been published ahead of the decision process, if we clarify what that was.

I fear the local government ombudsman will be busy again. What I dont understand is the rules (need tightening) are quite clear - did these top staff not think for a moment that, with their recent track record, citizens, not just me, would exercise their rights to ensure no underhand, illegal decisions were made?
Gwen swinburn
[quote][p][bold]Sage9[/bold] wrote: ".... the council should finalise background papers before public meetings and make them available for inspection before such meetings ...." Couldn't put it better myself. The same should apply to the Lendal Bridge fiasco. There should be a full report on the costs and where money will come from if fines have to be repaid. I would suggest suspending the 20mph plans now so the money can be saved for now and the citizens can be consulted.[/p][/quote]I am in correspondence with Kersten England and Ian Floyd asking some very specific questions on the Lendal Bridge closure democratic process. I believe there is an entire series of fails in this process - I am waiting for internal responses before taking it further. This will include the old favourite of background papers- what is an urgent decision- what is a key decision, what should have been published ahead of the decision process, if we clarify what that was. I fear the local government ombudsman will be busy again. What I dont understand is the rules (need tightening) are quite clear - did these top staff not think for a moment that, with their recent track record, citizens, not just me, would exercise their rights to ensure no underhand, illegal decisions were made? Gwen swinburn gmsgop
  • Score: -46

6:37pm Sat 19 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

gmsgop wrote:
Sage9 wrote: ".... the council should finalise background papers before public meetings and make them available for inspection before such meetings ...." Couldn't put it better myself. The same should apply to the Lendal Bridge fiasco. There should be a full report on the costs and where money will come from if fines have to be repaid. I would suggest suspending the 20mph plans now so the money can be saved for now and the citizens can be consulted.
I am in correspondence with Kersten England and Ian Floyd asking some very specific questions on the Lendal Bridge closure democratic process. I believe there is an entire series of fails in this process - I am waiting for internal responses before taking it further. This will include the old favourite of background papers- what is an urgent decision- what is a key decision, what should have been published ahead of the decision process, if we clarify what that was. I fear the local government ombudsman will be busy again. What I dont understand is the rules (need tightening) are quite clear - did these top staff not think for a moment that, with their recent track record, citizens, not just me, would exercise their rights to ensure no underhand, illegal decisions were made? Gwen swinburn
"....did these top staff not think for a moment that, with their recent track record, citizens, not just me, would exercise their rights to ensure no underhand, illegal decisions were made?"

Obviously not, but, doesn't this just show how arrogant they are?

Despite being found out, named and shamed on numerous occasions, they just carry on regardless, repeating the same breaches (plus new ones), and showing contempt and disrespect for York citizens.

It's time that the Police actually prosecuted the criminal offences, because a slap on the wrist from the largely impotent and obviously partisan Ombudsman, is clearly not sufficient to deter re-offending by these criminals!
[quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sage9[/bold] wrote: ".... the council should finalise background papers before public meetings and make them available for inspection before such meetings ...." Couldn't put it better myself. The same should apply to the Lendal Bridge fiasco. There should be a full report on the costs and where money will come from if fines have to be repaid. I would suggest suspending the 20mph plans now so the money can be saved for now and the citizens can be consulted.[/p][/quote]I am in correspondence with Kersten England and Ian Floyd asking some very specific questions on the Lendal Bridge closure democratic process. I believe there is an entire series of fails in this process - I am waiting for internal responses before taking it further. This will include the old favourite of background papers- what is an urgent decision- what is a key decision, what should have been published ahead of the decision process, if we clarify what that was. I fear the local government ombudsman will be busy again. What I dont understand is the rules (need tightening) are quite clear - did these top staff not think for a moment that, with their recent track record, citizens, not just me, would exercise their rights to ensure no underhand, illegal decisions were made? Gwen swinburn[/p][/quote]"....did these top staff not think for a moment that, with their recent track record, citizens, not just me, would exercise their rights to ensure no underhand, illegal decisions were made?" Obviously not, but, doesn't this just show how arrogant they are? Despite being found out, named and shamed on numerous occasions, they just carry on regardless, repeating the same breaches (plus new ones), and showing contempt and disrespect for York citizens. It's time that the Police actually prosecuted the criminal offences, because a slap on the wrist from the largely impotent and obviously partisan Ombudsman, is clearly not sufficient to deter re-offending by these criminals! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -75

6:42pm Sat 19 Apr 14

Sage9 says...

gmsgop wrote:
Sage9 wrote: ".... the council should finalise background papers before public meetings and make them available for inspection before such meetings ...." Couldn't put it better myself. The same should apply to the Lendal Bridge fiasco. There should be a full report on the costs and where money will come from if fines have to be repaid. I would suggest suspending the 20mph plans now so the money can be saved for now and the citizens can be consulted.
I am in correspondence with Kersten England and Ian Floyd asking some very specific questions on the Lendal Bridge closure democratic process. I believe there is an entire series of fails in this process - I am waiting for internal responses before taking it further. This will include the old favourite of background papers- what is an urgent decision- what is a key decision, what should have been published ahead of the decision process, if we clarify what that was. I fear the local government ombudsman will be busy again. What I dont understand is the rules (need tightening) are quite clear - did these top staff not think for a moment that, with their recent track record, citizens, not just me, would exercise their rights to ensure no underhand, illegal decisions were made? Gwen swinburn
Gwen - you speaking or attending on 6 May?
[quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sage9[/bold] wrote: ".... the council should finalise background papers before public meetings and make them available for inspection before such meetings ...." Couldn't put it better myself. The same should apply to the Lendal Bridge fiasco. There should be a full report on the costs and where money will come from if fines have to be repaid. I would suggest suspending the 20mph plans now so the money can be saved for now and the citizens can be consulted.[/p][/quote]I am in correspondence with Kersten England and Ian Floyd asking some very specific questions on the Lendal Bridge closure democratic process. I believe there is an entire series of fails in this process - I am waiting for internal responses before taking it further. This will include the old favourite of background papers- what is an urgent decision- what is a key decision, what should have been published ahead of the decision process, if we clarify what that was. I fear the local government ombudsman will be busy again. What I dont understand is the rules (need tightening) are quite clear - did these top staff not think for a moment that, with their recent track record, citizens, not just me, would exercise their rights to ensure no underhand, illegal decisions were made? Gwen swinburn[/p][/quote]Gwen - you speaking or attending on 6 May? Sage9
  • Score: -54

6:58pm Sat 19 Apr 14

gmsgop says...

Sage9 wrote:
gmsgop wrote:
Sage9 wrote: ".... the council should finalise background papers before public meetings and make them available for inspection before such meetings ...." Couldn't put it better myself. The same should apply to the Lendal Bridge fiasco. There should be a full report on the costs and where money will come from if fines have to be repaid. I would suggest suspending the 20mph plans now so the money can be saved for now and the citizens can be consulted.
I am in correspondence with Kersten England and Ian Floyd asking some very specific questions on the Lendal Bridge closure democratic process. I believe there is an entire series of fails in this process - I am waiting for internal responses before taking it further. This will include the old favourite of background papers- what is an urgent decision- what is a key decision, what should have been published ahead of the decision process, if we clarify what that was. I fear the local government ombudsman will be busy again. What I dont understand is the rules (need tightening) are quite clear - did these top staff not think for a moment that, with their recent track record, citizens, not just me, would exercise their rights to ensure no underhand, illegal decisions were made? Gwen swinburn
Gwen - you speaking or attending on 6 May?
YES!
I am registering to speak - hopefully thie time I will not be shouted down by aspirational MEP Tracey Simpson Laing and that she will not willfully misrepresent what I said and that she will not breach my Data Protection Act rights again.

That reminds me, better look at the letter Director Floyd sent me after that meeting- no doubt it will be me to blame! It's ok citizens, well used to cyc tactics now - but problem is the more they block me, misrepresent me, bully me, 'brief' against me, complain about how much I am 'costing' them- the more they push me to protect our rights. There is so much in the pipeline.

Don't forget citizens, if you want a full record of council meetings, record it yourself- you may not have confidence in the council version as things stand.

Gwen swinburn
[quote][p][bold]Sage9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sage9[/bold] wrote: ".... the council should finalise background papers before public meetings and make them available for inspection before such meetings ...." Couldn't put it better myself. The same should apply to the Lendal Bridge fiasco. There should be a full report on the costs and where money will come from if fines have to be repaid. I would suggest suspending the 20mph plans now so the money can be saved for now and the citizens can be consulted.[/p][/quote]I am in correspondence with Kersten England and Ian Floyd asking some very specific questions on the Lendal Bridge closure democratic process. I believe there is an entire series of fails in this process - I am waiting for internal responses before taking it further. This will include the old favourite of background papers- what is an urgent decision- what is a key decision, what should have been published ahead of the decision process, if we clarify what that was. I fear the local government ombudsman will be busy again. What I dont understand is the rules (need tightening) are quite clear - did these top staff not think for a moment that, with their recent track record, citizens, not just me, would exercise their rights to ensure no underhand, illegal decisions were made? Gwen swinburn[/p][/quote]Gwen - you speaking or attending on 6 May?[/p][/quote]YES! I am registering to speak - hopefully thie time I will not be shouted down by aspirational MEP Tracey Simpson Laing and that she will not willfully misrepresent what I said and that she will not breach my Data Protection Act rights again. That reminds me, better look at the letter Director Floyd sent me after that meeting- no doubt it will be me to blame! It's ok citizens, well used to cyc tactics now - but problem is the more they block me, misrepresent me, bully me, 'brief' against me, complain about how much I am 'costing' them- the more they push me to protect our rights. There is so much in the pipeline. Don't forget citizens, if you want a full record of council meetings, record it yourself- you may not have confidence in the council version as things stand. Gwen swinburn gmsgop
  • Score: -37

6:58pm Sat 19 Apr 14

gmsgop says...

Sage9 wrote:
gmsgop wrote:
Sage9 wrote: ".... the council should finalise background papers before public meetings and make them available for inspection before such meetings ...." Couldn't put it better myself. The same should apply to the Lendal Bridge fiasco. There should be a full report on the costs and where money will come from if fines have to be repaid. I would suggest suspending the 20mph plans now so the money can be saved for now and the citizens can be consulted.
I am in correspondence with Kersten England and Ian Floyd asking some very specific questions on the Lendal Bridge closure democratic process. I believe there is an entire series of fails in this process - I am waiting for internal responses before taking it further. This will include the old favourite of background papers- what is an urgent decision- what is a key decision, what should have been published ahead of the decision process, if we clarify what that was. I fear the local government ombudsman will be busy again. What I dont understand is the rules (need tightening) are quite clear - did these top staff not think for a moment that, with their recent track record, citizens, not just me, would exercise their rights to ensure no underhand, illegal decisions were made? Gwen swinburn
Gwen - you speaking or attending on 6 May?
YES!
I am registering to speak - hopefully thie time I will not be shouted down by aspirational MEP Tracey Simpson Laing and that she will not willfully misrepresent what I said and that she will not breach my Data Protection Act rights again.

That reminds me, better look at the letter Director Floyd sent me after that meeting- no doubt it will be me to blame! It's ok citizens, well used to cyc tactics now - but problem is the more they block me, misrepresent me, bully me, 'brief' against me, complain about how much I am 'costing' them- the more they push me to protect our rights. There is so much in the pipeline.

Don't forget citizens, if you want a full record of council meetings, record it yourself- you may not have confidence in the council version as things stand.

Gwen swinburn
[quote][p][bold]Sage9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sage9[/bold] wrote: ".... the council should finalise background papers before public meetings and make them available for inspection before such meetings ...." Couldn't put it better myself. The same should apply to the Lendal Bridge fiasco. There should be a full report on the costs and where money will come from if fines have to be repaid. I would suggest suspending the 20mph plans now so the money can be saved for now and the citizens can be consulted.[/p][/quote]I am in correspondence with Kersten England and Ian Floyd asking some very specific questions on the Lendal Bridge closure democratic process. I believe there is an entire series of fails in this process - I am waiting for internal responses before taking it further. This will include the old favourite of background papers- what is an urgent decision- what is a key decision, what should have been published ahead of the decision process, if we clarify what that was. I fear the local government ombudsman will be busy again. What I dont understand is the rules (need tightening) are quite clear - did these top staff not think for a moment that, with their recent track record, citizens, not just me, would exercise their rights to ensure no underhand, illegal decisions were made? Gwen swinburn[/p][/quote]Gwen - you speaking or attending on 6 May?[/p][/quote]YES! I am registering to speak - hopefully thie time I will not be shouted down by aspirational MEP Tracey Simpson Laing and that she will not willfully misrepresent what I said and that she will not breach my Data Protection Act rights again. That reminds me, better look at the letter Director Floyd sent me after that meeting- no doubt it will be me to blame! It's ok citizens, well used to cyc tactics now - but problem is the more they block me, misrepresent me, bully me, 'brief' against me, complain about how much I am 'costing' them- the more they push me to protect our rights. There is so much in the pipeline. Don't forget citizens, if you want a full record of council meetings, record it yourself- you may not have confidence in the council version as things stand. Gwen swinburn gmsgop
  • Score: -38

8:05pm Sat 19 Apr 14

Sage9 says...

Would like to discuss

sage9@tesco.net
Would like to discuss sage9@tesco.net Sage9
  • Score: -64

8:18pm Sat 19 Apr 14

jay, york says...

gmsgop wrote:
Sage9 wrote:
gmsgop wrote:
Sage9 wrote: ".... the council should finalise background papers before public meetings and make them available for inspection before such meetings ...." Couldn't put it better myself. The same should apply to the Lendal Bridge fiasco. There should be a full report on the costs and where money will come from if fines have to be repaid. I would suggest suspending the 20mph plans now so the money can be saved for now and the citizens can be consulted.
I am in correspondence with Kersten England and Ian Floyd asking some very specific questions on the Lendal Bridge closure democratic process. I believe there is an entire series of fails in this process - I am waiting for internal responses before taking it further. This will include the old favourite of background papers- what is an urgent decision- what is a key decision, what should have been published ahead of the decision process, if we clarify what that was. I fear the local government ombudsman will be busy again. What I dont understand is the rules (need tightening) are quite clear - did these top staff not think for a moment that, with their recent track record, citizens, not just me, would exercise their rights to ensure no underhand, illegal decisions were made? Gwen swinburn
Gwen - you speaking or attending on 6 May?
YES! I am registering to speak - hopefully thie time I will not be shouted down by aspirational MEP Tracey Simpson Laing and that she will not willfully misrepresent what I said and that she will not breach my Data Protection Act rights again. That reminds me, better look at the letter Director Floyd sent me after that meeting- no doubt it will be me to blame! It's ok citizens, well used to cyc tactics now - but problem is the more they block me, misrepresent me, bully me, 'brief' against me, complain about how much I am 'costing' them- the more they push me to protect our rights. There is so much in the pipeline. Don't forget citizens, if you want a full record of council meetings, record it yourself- you may not have confidence in the council version as things stand. Gwen swinburn
Well done and well said Gwen - many of us have believed for a while that this coyc are a dishonest and corrupt group. But just how much more of what they are doing is illegal - ie crimanal? It cant just be this and the bridge fiasco. Look forward with interest to see what the pipeline brings.
I think your stance against all their bullying etc is absolutely right - the more coyc try to shut someone up (in whatever way) the more it confirms they have something to hide. And the number of people now speaking out in these posts and letters to the Press obviously feel the same way. Negative votes may be cast and coyc 'pals' may write comments/ letters to try and "even things out" as they have been encouraged to do.- but they cannot stop it It is how we feel and it is there for all to see.
Just out of interest, will this meeting be on a webcast? If so, expect record viewings before they can get to edit it!
Keep up your brilliant work - and just for the record, I do NOT know you and have only become aware of you and what you do through recent events !
[quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sage9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sage9[/bold] wrote: ".... the council should finalise background papers before public meetings and make them available for inspection before such meetings ...." Couldn't put it better myself. The same should apply to the Lendal Bridge fiasco. There should be a full report on the costs and where money will come from if fines have to be repaid. I would suggest suspending the 20mph plans now so the money can be saved for now and the citizens can be consulted.[/p][/quote]I am in correspondence with Kersten England and Ian Floyd asking some very specific questions on the Lendal Bridge closure democratic process. I believe there is an entire series of fails in this process - I am waiting for internal responses before taking it further. This will include the old favourite of background papers- what is an urgent decision- what is a key decision, what should have been published ahead of the decision process, if we clarify what that was. I fear the local government ombudsman will be busy again. What I dont understand is the rules (need tightening) are quite clear - did these top staff not think for a moment that, with their recent track record, citizens, not just me, would exercise their rights to ensure no underhand, illegal decisions were made? Gwen swinburn[/p][/quote]Gwen - you speaking or attending on 6 May?[/p][/quote]YES! I am registering to speak - hopefully thie time I will not be shouted down by aspirational MEP Tracey Simpson Laing and that she will not willfully misrepresent what I said and that she will not breach my Data Protection Act rights again. That reminds me, better look at the letter Director Floyd sent me after that meeting- no doubt it will be me to blame! It's ok citizens, well used to cyc tactics now - but problem is the more they block me, misrepresent me, bully me, 'brief' against me, complain about how much I am 'costing' them- the more they push me to protect our rights. There is so much in the pipeline. Don't forget citizens, if you want a full record of council meetings, record it yourself- you may not have confidence in the council version as things stand. Gwen swinburn[/p][/quote]Well done and well said Gwen - many of us have believed for a while that this coyc are a dishonest and corrupt group. But just how much more of what they are doing is illegal - ie crimanal? It cant just be this and the bridge fiasco. Look forward with interest to see what the pipeline brings. I think your stance against all their bullying etc is absolutely right - the more coyc try to shut someone up (in whatever way) the more it confirms they have something to hide. And the number of people now speaking out in these posts and letters to the Press obviously feel the same way. Negative votes may be cast and coyc 'pals' may write comments/ letters to try and "even things out" as they have been encouraged to do.- but they cannot stop it It is how we feel and it is there for all to see. Just out of interest, will this meeting be on a webcast? If so, expect record viewings before they can get to edit it! Keep up your brilliant work - and just for the record, I do NOT know you and have only become aware of you and what you do through recent events ! jay, york
  • Score: -8

8:22pm Sat 19 Apr 14

courier46 says...

jay, york wrote:
gmsgop wrote:
Sage9 wrote:
gmsgop wrote:
Sage9 wrote: ".... the council should finalise background papers before public meetings and make them available for inspection before such meetings ...." Couldn't put it better myself. The same should apply to the Lendal Bridge fiasco. There should be a full report on the costs and where money will come from if fines have to be repaid. I would suggest suspending the 20mph plans now so the money can be saved for now and the citizens can be consulted.
I am in correspondence with Kersten England and Ian Floyd asking some very specific questions on the Lendal Bridge closure democratic process. I believe there is an entire series of fails in this process - I am waiting for internal responses before taking it further. This will include the old favourite of background papers- what is an urgent decision- what is a key decision, what should have been published ahead of the decision process, if we clarify what that was. I fear the local government ombudsman will be busy again. What I dont understand is the rules (need tightening) are quite clear - did these top staff not think for a moment that, with their recent track record, citizens, not just me, would exercise their rights to ensure no underhand, illegal decisions were made? Gwen swinburn
Gwen - you speaking or attending on 6 May?
YES! I am registering to speak - hopefully thie time I will not be shouted down by aspirational MEP Tracey Simpson Laing and that she will not willfully misrepresent what I said and that she will not breach my Data Protection Act rights again. That reminds me, better look at the letter Director Floyd sent me after that meeting- no doubt it will be me to blame! It's ok citizens, well used to cyc tactics now - but problem is the more they block me, misrepresent me, bully me, 'brief' against me, complain about how much I am 'costing' them- the more they push me to protect our rights. There is so much in the pipeline. Don't forget citizens, if you want a full record of council meetings, record it yourself- you may not have confidence in the council version as things stand. Gwen swinburn
Well done and well said Gwen - many of us have believed for a while that this coyc are a dishonest and corrupt group. But just how much more of what they are doing is illegal - ie crimanal? It cant just be this and the bridge fiasco. Look forward with interest to see what the pipeline brings.
I think your stance against all their bullying etc is absolutely right - the more coyc try to shut someone up (in whatever way) the more it confirms they have something to hide. And the number of people now speaking out in these posts and letters to the Press obviously feel the same way. Negative votes may be cast and coyc 'pals' may write comments/ letters to try and "even things out" as they have been encouraged to do.- but they cannot stop it It is how we feel and it is there for all to see.
Just out of interest, will this meeting be on a webcast? If so, expect record viewings before they can get to edit it!
Keep up your brilliant work - and just for the record, I do NOT know you and have only become aware of you and what you do through recent events !
Agreed, well done Gwen.
[quote][p][bold]jay, york[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sage9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sage9[/bold] wrote: ".... the council should finalise background papers before public meetings and make them available for inspection before such meetings ...." Couldn't put it better myself. The same should apply to the Lendal Bridge fiasco. There should be a full report on the costs and where money will come from if fines have to be repaid. I would suggest suspending the 20mph plans now so the money can be saved for now and the citizens can be consulted.[/p][/quote]I am in correspondence with Kersten England and Ian Floyd asking some very specific questions on the Lendal Bridge closure democratic process. I believe there is an entire series of fails in this process - I am waiting for internal responses before taking it further. This will include the old favourite of background papers- what is an urgent decision- what is a key decision, what should have been published ahead of the decision process, if we clarify what that was. I fear the local government ombudsman will be busy again. What I dont understand is the rules (need tightening) are quite clear - did these top staff not think for a moment that, with their recent track record, citizens, not just me, would exercise their rights to ensure no underhand, illegal decisions were made? Gwen swinburn[/p][/quote]Gwen - you speaking or attending on 6 May?[/p][/quote]YES! I am registering to speak - hopefully thie time I will not be shouted down by aspirational MEP Tracey Simpson Laing and that she will not willfully misrepresent what I said and that she will not breach my Data Protection Act rights again. That reminds me, better look at the letter Director Floyd sent me after that meeting- no doubt it will be me to blame! It's ok citizens, well used to cyc tactics now - but problem is the more they block me, misrepresent me, bully me, 'brief' against me, complain about how much I am 'costing' them- the more they push me to protect our rights. There is so much in the pipeline. Don't forget citizens, if you want a full record of council meetings, record it yourself- you may not have confidence in the council version as things stand. Gwen swinburn[/p][/quote]Well done and well said Gwen - many of us have believed for a while that this coyc are a dishonest and corrupt group. But just how much more of what they are doing is illegal - ie crimanal? It cant just be this and the bridge fiasco. Look forward with interest to see what the pipeline brings. I think your stance against all their bullying etc is absolutely right - the more coyc try to shut someone up (in whatever way) the more it confirms they have something to hide. And the number of people now speaking out in these posts and letters to the Press obviously feel the same way. Negative votes may be cast and coyc 'pals' may write comments/ letters to try and "even things out" as they have been encouraged to do.- but they cannot stop it It is how we feel and it is there for all to see. Just out of interest, will this meeting be on a webcast? If so, expect record viewings before they can get to edit it! Keep up your brilliant work - and just for the record, I do NOT know you and have only become aware of you and what you do through recent events ![/p][/quote]Agreed, well done Gwen. courier46
  • Score: -43

8:36pm Sat 19 Apr 14

gmsgop says...

Thanks everyone. Regarding webcast of the meeting on 6th. The Council ( to its immense credit) is transitioning to webcasting many of its meetings -it webcasts cabinet & council using an outside supplier ( indifferent quality) but have for most other meetings been audio recording - now it is piloting own inhouse live casting-it is a great effort to record cheaply but is in growing pains :) I am sure on this occasion bearing in mind the interest they will do both.

I will in any event do a last resort parallel recoding in my humble iPad.

It is immensely rewarding to see this level if interest. Regarding 98% of people in this site - I seriously have no clue who you are - I am just happy that until we have open discussion of cyc site, we have the comfort of knowing we can exchange views and support on this York Press hosted site & twitter :))
Thanks everyone. Regarding webcast of the meeting on 6th. The Council ( to its immense credit) is transitioning to webcasting many of its meetings -it webcasts cabinet & council using an outside supplier ( indifferent quality) but have for most other meetings been audio recording - now it is piloting own inhouse live casting-it is a great effort to record cheaply but is in growing pains :) I am sure on this occasion bearing in mind the interest they will do both. I will in any event do a last resort parallel recoding in my humble iPad. It is immensely rewarding to see this level if interest. Regarding 98% of people in this site - I seriously have no clue who you are - I am just happy that until we have open discussion of cyc site, we have the comfort of knowing we can exchange views and support on this York Press hosted site & twitter :)) gmsgop
  • Score: -53

10:55pm Sat 19 Apr 14

inthesticks says...

The buck stops at the top, Kersten England you are not doing the job that we pay you a huge amount of money to do. A lot of us can only dream to earn what you or your directors and ADs do. Polish up the CV will ya and let us have York back.
If only you had let Gwen work with you as she has offered to do instead of your childish efforts at blocking and gagging, she has more brains and integrity than the lot of you put together.
One word to finish - incompetent.
The buck stops at the top, Kersten England you are not doing the job that we pay you a huge amount of money to do. A lot of us can only dream to earn what you or your directors and ADs do. Polish up the CV will ya and let us have York back. If only you had let Gwen work with you as she has offered to do instead of your childish efforts at blocking and gagging, she has more brains and integrity than the lot of you put together. One word to finish - incompetent. inthesticks
  • Score: -73

12:39am Sun 20 Apr 14

jake777 says...

jay, york wrote:
gmsgop wrote:
Sage9 wrote:
gmsgop wrote:
Sage9 wrote: ".... the council should finalise background papers before public meetings and make them available for inspection before such meetings ...." Couldn't put it better myself. The same should apply to the Lendal Bridge fiasco. There should be a full report on the costs and where money will come from if fines have to be repaid. I would suggest suspending the 20mph plans now so the money can be saved for now and the citizens can be consulted.
I am in correspondence with Kersten England and Ian Floyd asking some very specific questions on the Lendal Bridge closure democratic process. I believe there is an entire series of fails in this process - I am waiting for internal responses before taking it further. This will include the old favourite of background papers- what is an urgent decision- what is a key decision, what should have been published ahead of the decision process, if we clarify what that was. I fear the local government ombudsman will be busy again. What I dont understand is the rules (need tightening) are quite clear - did these top staff not think for a moment that, with their recent track record, citizens, not just me, would exercise their rights to ensure no underhand, illegal decisions were made? Gwen swinburn
Gwen - you speaking or attending on 6 May?
YES! I am registering to speak - hopefully thie time I will not be shouted down by aspirational MEP Tracey Simpson Laing and that she will not willfully misrepresent what I said and that she will not breach my Data Protection Act rights again. That reminds me, better look at the letter Director Floyd sent me after that meeting- no doubt it will be me to blame! It's ok citizens, well used to cyc tactics now - but problem is the more they block me, misrepresent me, bully me, 'brief' against me, complain about how much I am 'costing' them- the more they push me to protect our rights. There is so much in the pipeline. Don't forget citizens, if you want a full record of council meetings, record it yourself- you may not have confidence in the council version as things stand. Gwen swinburn
Well done and well said Gwen - many of us have believed for a while that this coyc are a dishonest and corrupt group. But just how much more of what they are doing is illegal - ie crimanal? It cant just be this and the bridge fiasco. Look forward with interest to see what the pipeline brings.
I think your stance against all their bullying etc is absolutely right - the more coyc try to shut someone up (in whatever way) the more it confirms they have something to hide. And the number of people now speaking out in these posts and letters to the Press obviously feel the same way. Negative votes may be cast and coyc 'pals' may write comments/ letters to try and "even things out" as they have been encouraged to do.- but they cannot stop it It is how we feel and it is there for all to see.
Just out of interest, will this meeting be on a webcast? If so, expect record viewings before they can get to edit it!
Keep up your brilliant work - and just for the record, I do NOT know you and have only become aware of you and what you do through recent events !
yawn yawn yawn .
[quote][p][bold]jay, york[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sage9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sage9[/bold] wrote: ".... the council should finalise background papers before public meetings and make them available for inspection before such meetings ...." Couldn't put it better myself. The same should apply to the Lendal Bridge fiasco. There should be a full report on the costs and where money will come from if fines have to be repaid. I would suggest suspending the 20mph plans now so the money can be saved for now and the citizens can be consulted.[/p][/quote]I am in correspondence with Kersten England and Ian Floyd asking some very specific questions on the Lendal Bridge closure democratic process. I believe there is an entire series of fails in this process - I am waiting for internal responses before taking it further. This will include the old favourite of background papers- what is an urgent decision- what is a key decision, what should have been published ahead of the decision process, if we clarify what that was. I fear the local government ombudsman will be busy again. What I dont understand is the rules (need tightening) are quite clear - did these top staff not think for a moment that, with their recent track record, citizens, not just me, would exercise their rights to ensure no underhand, illegal decisions were made? Gwen swinburn[/p][/quote]Gwen - you speaking or attending on 6 May?[/p][/quote]YES! I am registering to speak - hopefully thie time I will not be shouted down by aspirational MEP Tracey Simpson Laing and that she will not willfully misrepresent what I said and that she will not breach my Data Protection Act rights again. That reminds me, better look at the letter Director Floyd sent me after that meeting- no doubt it will be me to blame! It's ok citizens, well used to cyc tactics now - but problem is the more they block me, misrepresent me, bully me, 'brief' against me, complain about how much I am 'costing' them- the more they push me to protect our rights. There is so much in the pipeline. Don't forget citizens, if you want a full record of council meetings, record it yourself- you may not have confidence in the council version as things stand. Gwen swinburn[/p][/quote]Well done and well said Gwen - many of us have believed for a while that this coyc are a dishonest and corrupt group. But just how much more of what they are doing is illegal - ie crimanal? It cant just be this and the bridge fiasco. Look forward with interest to see what the pipeline brings. I think your stance against all their bullying etc is absolutely right - the more coyc try to shut someone up (in whatever way) the more it confirms they have something to hide. And the number of people now speaking out in these posts and letters to the Press obviously feel the same way. Negative votes may be cast and coyc 'pals' may write comments/ letters to try and "even things out" as they have been encouraged to do.- but they cannot stop it It is how we feel and it is there for all to see. Just out of interest, will this meeting be on a webcast? If so, expect record viewings before they can get to edit it! Keep up your brilliant work - and just for the record, I do NOT know you and have only become aware of you and what you do through recent events ![/p][/quote]yawn yawn yawn . jake777
  • Score: 48

1:12am Sun 20 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

I wish to register my strong disapproval to York Press for deleting my comment, posted yesterday (Saturday) afternoon, and for them issuing me with this warning:-


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I note that my comment was saved as a screenshot by one of the above posters, and has been shown on Twitter, as a record of what I wrote.

I wish to point out the following:-
1. What I wrote was 100% factual, and I have evidence of the involvement of the Police, LGO and ICO.
2. It is my intention to take a hard copy of the comment, and send it the the Managing Editor, requesting an explanation as to why it was deleted.
3. The comment was not abusive, was fair comment, and by comparison with other comments that have been allowed, is less controvesial.
4. It is my belief that I am subject to victimisation by CYC, who are singling me out in an attempt to gagg or suppress my right to free speech.
I wish to register my strong disapproval to York Press for deleting my comment, posted yesterday (Saturday) afternoon, and for them issuing me with this warning:- [quote] Warningclose Badgers Drift: Your comments are beginning to upset some users of this website. We welcome your contributions but please respect your fellow commenters and abide by our site terms. I confirm I have read and understood the message [/quote] I note that my comment was saved as a screenshot by one of the above posters, and has been shown on Twitter, as a record of what I wrote. I wish to point out the following:- 1. What I wrote was 100% factual, and I have evidence of the involvement of the Police, LGO and ICO. 2. It is my intention to take a hard copy of the comment, and send it the the Managing Editor, requesting an explanation as to why it was deleted. 3. The comment was not abusive, was fair comment, and by comparison with other comments that have been allowed, is less controvesial. 4. It is my belief that I am subject to victimisation by CYC, who are singling me out in an attempt to gagg or suppress my right to free speech. Badgers Drift
  • Score: -74

9:14am Sun 20 Apr 14

Dr Brian says...

Well done Gwen

Yet another example of our Council, who claim to be open and transparent, blocking the democratic rights of the residents of York.

This Council has no regard for the residents of York, we are an unnecessary evil who get in their way.

Keep campaigning Gwen
Well done Gwen Yet another example of our Council, who claim to be open and transparent, blocking the democratic rights of the residents of York. This Council has no regard for the residents of York, we are an unnecessary evil who get in their way. Keep campaigning Gwen Dr Brian
  • Score: -64

11:44pm Sun 20 Apr 14

Happytoliveinyork says...

Great work Gwen :-)
Great work Gwen :-) Happytoliveinyork
  • Score: -13

11:43am Mon 21 Apr 14

Jonothon says...

gmsgop wrote:
Sage9 wrote:
gmsgop wrote:
Sage9 wrote: ".... the council should finalise background papers before public meetings and make them available for inspection before such meetings ...." Couldn't put it better myself. The same should apply to the Lendal Bridge fiasco. There should be a full report on the costs and where money will come from if fines have to be repaid. I would suggest suspending the 20mph plans now so the money can be saved for now and the citizens can be consulted.
I am in correspondence with Kersten England and Ian Floyd asking some very specific questions on the Lendal Bridge closure democratic process. I believe there is an entire series of fails in this process - I am waiting for internal responses before taking it further. This will include the old favourite of background papers- what is an urgent decision- what is a key decision, what should have been published ahead of the decision process, if we clarify what that was. I fear the local government ombudsman will be busy again. What I dont understand is the rules (need tightening) are quite clear - did these top staff not think for a moment that, with their recent track record, citizens, not just me, would exercise their rights to ensure no underhand, illegal decisions were made? Gwen swinburn
Gwen - you speaking or attending on 6 May?
YES!
I am registering to speak - hopefully thie time I will not be shouted down by aspirational MEP Tracey Simpson Laing and that she will not willfully misrepresent what I said and that she will not breach my Data Protection Act rights again.

That reminds me, better look at the letter Director Floyd sent me after that meeting- no doubt it will be me to blame! It's ok citizens, well used to cyc tactics now - but problem is the more they block me, misrepresent me, bully me, 'brief' against me, complain about how much I am 'costing' them- the more they push me to protect our rights. There is so much in the pipeline.

Don't forget citizens, if you want a full record of council meetings, record it yourself- you may not have confidence in the council version as things stand.

Gwen swinburn
Hi Gwen,
Unsure why you make reference to Tracy Simpson Laing as an "apirational MEP" By drawing attention to it (if it is true) you leave the impression that such aspirations in some way reflect badly on the person concerned.
However every single MEP must have at one stage been aspirational, and I see nothing wrong with it.
Would you like to clear up you views on ambition in relation to Coun Simpsom Laing?
[quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sage9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sage9[/bold] wrote: ".... the council should finalise background papers before public meetings and make them available for inspection before such meetings ...." Couldn't put it better myself. The same should apply to the Lendal Bridge fiasco. There should be a full report on the costs and where money will come from if fines have to be repaid. I would suggest suspending the 20mph plans now so the money can be saved for now and the citizens can be consulted.[/p][/quote]I am in correspondence with Kersten England and Ian Floyd asking some very specific questions on the Lendal Bridge closure democratic process. I believe there is an entire series of fails in this process - I am waiting for internal responses before taking it further. This will include the old favourite of background papers- what is an urgent decision- what is a key decision, what should have been published ahead of the decision process, if we clarify what that was. I fear the local government ombudsman will be busy again. What I dont understand is the rules (need tightening) are quite clear - did these top staff not think for a moment that, with their recent track record, citizens, not just me, would exercise their rights to ensure no underhand, illegal decisions were made? Gwen swinburn[/p][/quote]Gwen - you speaking or attending on 6 May?[/p][/quote]YES! I am registering to speak - hopefully thie time I will not be shouted down by aspirational MEP Tracey Simpson Laing and that she will not willfully misrepresent what I said and that she will not breach my Data Protection Act rights again. That reminds me, better look at the letter Director Floyd sent me after that meeting- no doubt it will be me to blame! It's ok citizens, well used to cyc tactics now - but problem is the more they block me, misrepresent me, bully me, 'brief' against me, complain about how much I am 'costing' them- the more they push me to protect our rights. There is so much in the pipeline. Don't forget citizens, if you want a full record of council meetings, record it yourself- you may not have confidence in the council version as things stand. Gwen swinburn[/p][/quote]Hi Gwen, Unsure why you make reference to Tracy Simpson Laing as an "apirational MEP" By drawing attention to it (if it is true) you leave the impression that such aspirations in some way reflect badly on the person concerned. However every single MEP must have at one stage been aspirational, and I see nothing wrong with it. Would you like to clear up you views on ambition in relation to Coun Simpsom Laing? Jonothon
  • Score: 21

12:45pm Mon 21 Apr 14

gmsgop says...

Jonothon wrote:
gmsgop wrote:
Sage9 wrote:
gmsgop wrote:
Sage9 wrote: ".... the council should finalise background papers before public meetings and make them available for inspection before such meetings ...." Couldn't put it better myself. The same should apply to the Lendal Bridge fiasco. There should be a full report on the costs and where money will come from if fines have to be repaid. I would suggest suspending the 20mph plans now so the money can be saved for now and the citizens can be consulted.
I am in correspondence with Kersten England and Ian Floyd asking some very specific questions on the Lendal Bridge closure democratic process. I believe there is an entire series of fails in this process - I am waiting for internal responses before taking it further. This will include the old favourite of background papers- what is an urgent decision- what is a key decision, what should have been published ahead of the decision process, if we clarify what that was. I fear the local government ombudsman will be busy again. What I dont understand is the rules (need tightening) are quite clear - did these top staff not think for a moment that, with their recent track record, citizens, not just me, would exercise their rights to ensure no underhand, illegal decisions were made? Gwen swinburn
Gwen - you speaking or attending on 6 May?
YES!
I am registering to speak - hopefully thie time I will not be shouted down by aspirational MEP Tracey Simpson Laing and that she will not willfully misrepresent what I said and that she will not breach my Data Protection Act rights again.

That reminds me, better look at the letter Director Floyd sent me after that meeting- no doubt it will be me to blame! It's ok citizens, well used to cyc tactics now - but problem is the more they block me, misrepresent me, bully me, 'brief' against me, complain about how much I am 'costing' them- the more they push me to protect our rights. There is so much in the pipeline.

Don't forget citizens, if you want a full record of council meetings, record it yourself- you may not have confidence in the council version as things stand.

Gwen swinburn
Hi Gwen,
Unsure why you make reference to Tracy Simpson Laing as an "apirational MEP" By drawing attention to it (if it is true) you leave the impression that such aspirations in some way reflect badly on the person concerned.
However every single MEP must have at one stage been aspirational, and I see nothing wrong with it.
Would you like to clear up you views on ambition in relation to Coun Simpsom Laing?
I would have thought fairly obvious - bullying, misrepresentation & breaking citizen DPA rights whilst in the chair of City of York cabinet - not the behaviour appropriate for a local councillor -let alone someone who imagines she has what it takes to be an MEP -
[quote][p][bold]Jonothon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sage9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sage9[/bold] wrote: ".... the council should finalise background papers before public meetings and make them available for inspection before such meetings ...." Couldn't put it better myself. The same should apply to the Lendal Bridge fiasco. There should be a full report on the costs and where money will come from if fines have to be repaid. I would suggest suspending the 20mph plans now so the money can be saved for now and the citizens can be consulted.[/p][/quote]I am in correspondence with Kersten England and Ian Floyd asking some very specific questions on the Lendal Bridge closure democratic process. I believe there is an entire series of fails in this process - I am waiting for internal responses before taking it further. This will include the old favourite of background papers- what is an urgent decision- what is a key decision, what should have been published ahead of the decision process, if we clarify what that was. I fear the local government ombudsman will be busy again. What I dont understand is the rules (need tightening) are quite clear - did these top staff not think for a moment that, with their recent track record, citizens, not just me, would exercise their rights to ensure no underhand, illegal decisions were made? Gwen swinburn[/p][/quote]Gwen - you speaking or attending on 6 May?[/p][/quote]YES! I am registering to speak - hopefully thie time I will not be shouted down by aspirational MEP Tracey Simpson Laing and that she will not willfully misrepresent what I said and that she will not breach my Data Protection Act rights again. That reminds me, better look at the letter Director Floyd sent me after that meeting- no doubt it will be me to blame! It's ok citizens, well used to cyc tactics now - but problem is the more they block me, misrepresent me, bully me, 'brief' against me, complain about how much I am 'costing' them- the more they push me to protect our rights. There is so much in the pipeline. Don't forget citizens, if you want a full record of council meetings, record it yourself- you may not have confidence in the council version as things stand. Gwen swinburn[/p][/quote]Hi Gwen, Unsure why you make reference to Tracy Simpson Laing as an "apirational MEP" By drawing attention to it (if it is true) you leave the impression that such aspirations in some way reflect badly on the person concerned. However every single MEP must have at one stage been aspirational, and I see nothing wrong with it. Would you like to clear up you views on ambition in relation to Coun Simpsom Laing?[/p][/quote]I would have thought fairly obvious - bullying, misrepresentation & breaking citizen DPA rights whilst in the chair of City of York cabinet - not the behaviour appropriate for a local councillor -let alone someone who imagines she has what it takes to be an MEP - gmsgop
  • Score: -46

12:50pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

Jonothon wrote:
gmsgop wrote:
Sage9 wrote:
gmsgop wrote:
Sage9 wrote: ".... the council should finalise background papers before public meetings and make them available for inspection before such meetings ...." Couldn't put it better myself. The same should apply to the Lendal Bridge fiasco. There should be a full report on the costs and where money will come from if fines have to be repaid. I would suggest suspending the 20mph plans now so the money can be saved for now and the citizens can be consulted.
I am in correspondence with Kersten England and Ian Floyd asking some very specific questions on the Lendal Bridge closure democratic process. I believe there is an entire series of fails in this process - I am waiting for internal responses before taking it further. This will include the old favourite of background papers- what is an urgent decision- what is a key decision, what should have been published ahead of the decision process, if we clarify what that was. I fear the local government ombudsman will be busy again. What I dont understand is the rules (need tightening) are quite clear - did these top staff not think for a moment that, with their recent track record, citizens, not just me, would exercise their rights to ensure no underhand, illegal decisions were made? Gwen swinburn
Gwen - you speaking or attending on 6 May?
YES! I am registering to speak - hopefully thie time I will not be shouted down by aspirational MEP Tracey Simpson Laing and that she will not willfully misrepresent what I said and that she will not breach my Data Protection Act rights again. That reminds me, better look at the letter Director Floyd sent me after that meeting- no doubt it will be me to blame! It's ok citizens, well used to cyc tactics now - but problem is the more they block me, misrepresent me, bully me, 'brief' against me, complain about how much I am 'costing' them- the more they push me to protect our rights. There is so much in the pipeline. Don't forget citizens, if you want a full record of council meetings, record it yourself- you may not have confidence in the council version as things stand. Gwen swinburn
Hi Gwen, Unsure why you make reference to Tracy Simpson Laing as an "apirational MEP" By drawing attention to it (if it is true) you leave the impression that such aspirations in some way reflect badly on the person concerned. However every single MEP must have at one stage been aspirational, and I see nothing wrong with it. Would you like to clear up you views on ambition in relation to Coun Simpsom Laing?
Perhaps it reflects badly on Simpson-Laing because she claims she is devoted to York, as a York Councillor, yet, spends much of her time making jaunts all over the country, and the EU.

Her Twitter output reveals how committed to York, and her housing portfolio. Very little comment on these subjects, and mostly it's Labour party politics, rubbishing the tories/govt, EU stuff, Liverpool FC, F1, TV series and films.

The truth is, she prefers to be anywhere other than York, and chasing the MEP job proves it!
[quote][p][bold]Jonothon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sage9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sage9[/bold] wrote: ".... the council should finalise background papers before public meetings and make them available for inspection before such meetings ...." Couldn't put it better myself. The same should apply to the Lendal Bridge fiasco. There should be a full report on the costs and where money will come from if fines have to be repaid. I would suggest suspending the 20mph plans now so the money can be saved for now and the citizens can be consulted.[/p][/quote]I am in correspondence with Kersten England and Ian Floyd asking some very specific questions on the Lendal Bridge closure democratic process. I believe there is an entire series of fails in this process - I am waiting for internal responses before taking it further. This will include the old favourite of background papers- what is an urgent decision- what is a key decision, what should have been published ahead of the decision process, if we clarify what that was. I fear the local government ombudsman will be busy again. What I dont understand is the rules (need tightening) are quite clear - did these top staff not think for a moment that, with their recent track record, citizens, not just me, would exercise their rights to ensure no underhand, illegal decisions were made? Gwen swinburn[/p][/quote]Gwen - you speaking or attending on 6 May?[/p][/quote]YES! I am registering to speak - hopefully thie time I will not be shouted down by aspirational MEP Tracey Simpson Laing and that she will not willfully misrepresent what I said and that she will not breach my Data Protection Act rights again. That reminds me, better look at the letter Director Floyd sent me after that meeting- no doubt it will be me to blame! It's ok citizens, well used to cyc tactics now - but problem is the more they block me, misrepresent me, bully me, 'brief' against me, complain about how much I am 'costing' them- the more they push me to protect our rights. There is so much in the pipeline. Don't forget citizens, if you want a full record of council meetings, record it yourself- you may not have confidence in the council version as things stand. Gwen swinburn[/p][/quote]Hi Gwen, Unsure why you make reference to Tracy Simpson Laing as an "apirational MEP" By drawing attention to it (if it is true) you leave the impression that such aspirations in some way reflect badly on the person concerned. However every single MEP must have at one stage been aspirational, and I see nothing wrong with it. Would you like to clear up you views on ambition in relation to Coun Simpsom Laing?[/p][/quote]Perhaps it reflects badly on Simpson-Laing because she claims she is devoted to York, as a York Councillor, yet, spends much of her time making jaunts all over the country, and the EU. Her Twitter output reveals how committed to York, and her housing portfolio. Very little comment on these subjects, and mostly it's Labour party politics, rubbishing the tories/govt, EU stuff, Liverpool FC, F1, TV series and films. The truth is, she prefers to be anywhere other than York, and chasing the MEP job proves it! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -34

1:06pm Mon 21 Apr 14

gmsgop says...

Sorry thought I was being clear - I don't expect local councillors to bully, misrepresent, break DPA rights, esp whilst chairing cabinet and most certainly not the standard of behaviour from anyone who (unbelievably) imagines they might be of the calibre to stand for an MEP - not with that conduct
Sorry thought I was being clear - I don't expect local councillors to bully, misrepresent, break DPA rights, esp whilst chairing cabinet and most certainly not the standard of behaviour from anyone who (unbelievably) imagines they might be of the calibre to stand for an MEP - not with that conduct gmsgop
  • Score: -52

1:12pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

"The Ombudsman said Ms Swinburn claimed that when the background papers were made available in June, it was clear from the dates that some of them had been finalised before April and the council failed to comply with regulation requirements by not making all the background papers available before a cabinet meeting on April 30."


The regulation the LGO is referring to is Statutory Instrument no 2089 (2012).

Breaching these regulations is a summary offence under the Criminal Justice Act.

Those responsible would face prosecution which would result in fine, and a criminal record.

This breach was reported to the Police, who chose to refer it to the LGO, who have found the council guilty of the offence. I think that Gwen should now refer the matter back to the Police for prosecution and punishment.

Unless these breaches are followed through, and prosecuted by the appropriate authorities, the regulations are pointless, and there will be repeated offending, as has happened.

The council are not innocent, because the LGO has found them guilty!
[quote] "The Ombudsman said Ms Swinburn claimed that when the background papers were made available in June, it was clear from the dates that some of them had been finalised before April and the council failed to comply with regulation requirements by not making all the background papers available before a cabinet meeting on April 30." [/quote] The regulation the LGO is referring to is Statutory Instrument no 2089 (2012). Breaching these regulations is a summary offence under the Criminal Justice Act. Those responsible would face prosecution which would result in fine, and a criminal record. This breach was reported to the Police, who chose to refer it to the LGO, who have found the council guilty of the offence. I think that Gwen should now refer the matter back to the Police for prosecution and punishment. Unless these breaches are followed through, and prosecuted by the appropriate authorities, the regulations are pointless, and there will be repeated offending, as has happened. The council are not innocent, because the LGO has found them guilty! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -62

1:36pm Mon 21 Apr 14

gmsgop says...

Badgers Drift - I have a (growing) list of issues I am raising with Eric Pickles, democracy advocates & the Police, the ombudsman & information commissioner's office- the issue of criminal prosecution amongst them.

I know it is frustrating, but I need the final ruling of the LGO. The police did not close the door and as multiple further breaches of SI 2089 & the parallel 1972 local govt Act - I will be following up with the white collar crimes team.

Sadly I am considerably occupied with multiple breaches currently but will be dealing with it- to the fullest extent of the law. We don't live in a democracy in York right now - it will change. gwen swinburn
Badgers Drift - I have a (growing) list of issues I am raising with Eric Pickles, democracy advocates & the Police, the ombudsman & information commissioner's office- the issue of criminal prosecution amongst them. I know it is frustrating, but I need the final ruling of the LGO. The police did not close the door and as multiple further breaches of SI 2089 & the parallel 1972 local govt Act - I will be following up with the white collar crimes team. Sadly I am considerably occupied with multiple breaches currently but will be dealing with it- to the fullest extent of the law. We don't live in a democracy in York right now - it will change. gwen swinburn gmsgop
  • Score: -40

2:44pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

gmsgop wrote:
Badgers Drift - I have a (growing) list of issues I am raising with Eric Pickles, democracy advocates & the Police, the ombudsman & information commissioner's office- the issue of criminal prosecution amongst them. I know it is frustrating, but I need the final ruling of the LGO. The police did not close the door and as multiple further breaches of SI 2089 & the parallel 1972 local govt Act - I will be following up with the white collar crimes team. Sadly I am considerably occupied with multiple breaches currently but will be dealing with it- to the fullest extent of the law. We don't live in a democracy in York right now - it will change. gwen swinburn
Dear Gwen,

Pleased to hear that, subject to Final Decision of LGO, you intend to refer matter back to Police

This case should also be brought back to their attention...

http://www.yorkpress
.co.uk/news/11082358
.Council_was_wrong_o
n_housing_report__sa
ys_watchdog/?ref=var
_0

Thank you.
[quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: Badgers Drift - I have a (growing) list of issues I am raising with Eric Pickles, democracy advocates & the Police, the ombudsman & information commissioner's office- the issue of criminal prosecution amongst them. I know it is frustrating, but I need the final ruling of the LGO. The police did not close the door and as multiple further breaches of SI 2089 & the parallel 1972 local govt Act - I will be following up with the white collar crimes team. Sadly I am considerably occupied with multiple breaches currently but will be dealing with it- to the fullest extent of the law. We don't live in a democracy in York right now - it will change. gwen swinburn[/p][/quote]Dear Gwen, Pleased to hear that, subject to Final Decision of LGO, you intend to refer matter back to Police This case should also be brought back to their attention... http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/11082358 .Council_was_wrong_o n_housing_report__sa ys_watchdog/?ref=var _0 Thank you. Badgers Drift
  • Score: -32

6:47pm Mon 21 Apr 14

courier46 says...

gmsgop wrote:
Badgers Drift - I have a (growing) list of issues I am raising with Eric Pickles, democracy advocates & the Police, the ombudsman & information commissioner's office- the issue of criminal prosecution amongst them.

I know it is frustrating, but I need the final ruling of the LGO. The police did not close the door and as multiple further breaches of SI 2089 & the parallel 1972 local govt Act - I will be following up with the white collar crimes team.

Sadly I am considerably occupied with multiple breaches currently but will be dealing with it- to the fullest extent of the law. We don't live in a democracy in York right now - it will change. gwen swinburn
Well said Gwen!
[quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: Badgers Drift - I have a (growing) list of issues I am raising with Eric Pickles, democracy advocates & the Police, the ombudsman & information commissioner's office- the issue of criminal prosecution amongst them. I know it is frustrating, but I need the final ruling of the LGO. The police did not close the door and as multiple further breaches of SI 2089 & the parallel 1972 local govt Act - I will be following up with the white collar crimes team. Sadly I am considerably occupied with multiple breaches currently but will be dealing with it- to the fullest extent of the law. We don't live in a democracy in York right now - it will change. gwen swinburn[/p][/quote]Well said Gwen! courier46
  • Score: -36

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