York's gritting and salt bin budget £107k in the red despite mild winter

York Press: City of York council exceeded its gritting budget by more than £100,000 last winter despite the mild conditions City of York council exceeded its gritting budget by more than £100,000 last winter despite the mild conditions

YORK overspent its gritting and salt bin budget by more than £100,000 - despite the city experiencing one of the mildest winters on record, a Lib Dem councillor claims.

The city saw no significant snowfall or prolonged frosts over the 2013/14 winter but City of York Council's maintenance budget was still £107,000 in the red, said Coun Ann Reid, the party's environmental services spokeswoman.

She claimed cuts by the Labour-run council had reduced gritting routes and salt bins across York and therefore reduced the city’s capacity to cope with bad weather.

"“Labour got lucky this winter," she said. "However, the policy of spending money on city-centre vanity projects like Kings Square instead of on frontline services like gritting roads will catch-up with them.

"If we have a more typical winter next year then the budget is just not there to ensure roads and paths are gritted and residents are kept safe."

She said Lib Dem budget plans had called for an extra £30,000 to be put into winter services and an extra £500,000 to be given to communities for local priorities such as extra salt bins or gritting, which would have ensured the resource was there to cope with bad weather.

But Labour's cabinet Member for environmental services, Coun David Levene, said there had been an historic issue with overspends in this budget dating back years, which he had started to address and which York's 'transformation programme' would resolve in the future.

"Recent changes I made have ensured the service saves £20,000 annually and to put the overspend in context, the budget overspent by nearly £500,000 in 2009/10 and £250,000 in 2010/11 under Coun Reid’s administration, though her party did nothing to address it.

“Public safety is a top priority for this council which is why whatever the budgetary position, contingency would be used to ensure the service is maintained”.

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11:32am Wed 16 Apr 14

A19A64 says...

I`d be very interested to know the price per mile of a gritting trip. Last winter I recall no more than 5 frosts, no snow.
So how many miles do you get for £100k? How much of that was pointless?
Their safety concerns certainly weren`t apparent in the winter of 2012-13 when many stretches on road failed to receive a grain of salt for days on end.
I`d be very interested to know the price per mile of a gritting trip. Last winter I recall no more than 5 frosts, no snow. So how many miles do you get for £100k? How much of that was pointless? Their safety concerns certainly weren`t apparent in the winter of 2012-13 when many stretches on road failed to receive a grain of salt for days on end. A19A64
  • Score: -64

11:43am Wed 16 Apr 14

Garrowby Turnoff says...

"Ice" road warning signs are much safer and cheaper and prettier.
"Ice" road warning signs are much safer and cheaper and prettier. Garrowby Turnoff
  • Score: -75

11:44am Wed 16 Apr 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Typical Labour response, the LibDem's got it wrong so it "OK" for us to get it wrong.

"NO", your results, your responsibility, just another failure by Labour.

Maybe you should send an email requesting supporting letters to the press to say it's "OK".

http://www.minsterfm
.com/news/local/1258
443/exclusive-york-t
ransport-boss-20mph-
e-mails-revealed/

Having read this on Minster FM, I am more convinced than ever who the Mark-Down Mongrels are, time for the big reveal by the press.
Typical Labour response, the LibDem's got it wrong so it "OK" for us to get it wrong. "NO", your results, your responsibility, just another failure by Labour. Maybe you should send an email requesting supporting letters to the press to say it's "OK". http://www.minsterfm .com/news/local/1258 443/exclusive-york-t ransport-boss-20mph- e-mails-revealed/ Having read this on Minster FM, I am more convinced than ever who the Mark-Down Mongrels are, time for the big reveal by the press. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -68

12:04pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Ichabod76 says...

YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
Typical Labour response, the LibDem's got it wrong so it "OK" for us to get it wrong.

"NO", your results, your responsibility, just another failure by Labour.

Maybe you should send an email requesting supporting letters to the press to say it's "OK".

http://www.minsterfm

.com/news/local/1258

443/exclusive-york-t

ransport-boss-20mph-

e-mails-revealed/

Having read this on Minster FM, I am more convinced than ever who the Mark-Down Mongrels are, time for the big reveal by the press.
Greenmonkey has been having my posts removed on this subject
I wonder why ?
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: Typical Labour response, the LibDem's got it wrong so it "OK" for us to get it wrong. "NO", your results, your responsibility, just another failure by Labour. Maybe you should send an email requesting supporting letters to the press to say it's "OK". http://www.minsterfm .com/news/local/1258 443/exclusive-york-t ransport-boss-20mph- e-mails-revealed/ Having read this on Minster FM, I am more convinced than ever who the Mark-Down Mongrels are, time for the big reveal by the press.[/p][/quote]Greenmonkey has been having my posts removed on this subject I wonder why ? Ichabod76
  • Score: -63

12:40pm Wed 16 Apr 14

yorkiemum says...

Ichabod76 wrote:
YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
Typical Labour response, the LibDem's got it wrong so it "OK" for us to get it wrong.

"NO", your results, your responsibility, just another failure by Labour.

Maybe you should send an email requesting supporting letters to the press to say it's "OK".

http://www.minsterfm


.com/news/local/1258


443/exclusive-york-t


ransport-boss-20mph-


e-mails-revealed/

Having read this on Minster FM, I am more convinced than ever who the Mark-Down Mongrels are, time for the big reveal by the press.
Greenmonkey has been having my posts removed on this subject
I wonder why ?
Noticed that and their insistence to keep on topic. Surely anything to do with transport is on topic? Don't like to be gagged
[quote][p][bold]Ichabod76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: Typical Labour response, the LibDem's got it wrong so it "OK" for us to get it wrong. "NO", your results, your responsibility, just another failure by Labour. Maybe you should send an email requesting supporting letters to the press to say it's "OK". http://www.minsterfm .com/news/local/1258 443/exclusive-york-t ransport-boss-20mph- e-mails-revealed/ Having read this on Minster FM, I am more convinced than ever who the Mark-Down Mongrels are, time for the big reveal by the press.[/p][/quote]Greenmonkey has been having my posts removed on this subject I wonder why ?[/p][/quote]Noticed that and their insistence to keep on topic. Surely anything to do with transport is on topic? Don't like to be gagged yorkiemum
  • Score: -73

1:14pm Wed 16 Apr 14

roy_batty says...

“Public safety is a top priority for this council which is why whatever the budgetary position, contingency would be used to ensure the service is maintained”.??????
?

If this is so why did you stop gritting down Bootham Terrace? this street is a death trap when iced over!

But all in all , how on earth did this council overspend on one of the mildest winters ever?? Something not quite right with this council and the money that they are frittering away left right and centre!
“Public safety is a top priority for this council which is why whatever the budgetary position, contingency would be used to ensure the service is maintained”.?????? ? If this is so why did you stop gritting down Bootham Terrace? this street is a death trap when iced over! But all in all , how on earth did this council overspend on one of the mildest winters ever?? Something not quite right with this council and the money that they are frittering away left right and centre! roy_batty
  • Score: -97

1:17pm Wed 16 Apr 14

courier46 says...

Why Please?
Why Please? courier46
  • Score: -98

1:31pm Wed 16 Apr 14

gjh says...

The picture is a North Yorkshire County Council gritter. No CoYC pictures available?
The picture is a North Yorkshire County Council gritter. No CoYC pictures available? gjh
  • Score: -164

1:58pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Hereiamagainhaha says...

Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
"Ice" road warning signs are much safer and cheaper and prettier.
But don't stop you skidding.......
[quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: "Ice" road warning signs are much safer and cheaper and prettier.[/p][/quote]But don't stop you skidding....... Hereiamagainhaha
  • Score: -150

6:10pm Wed 16 Apr 14

wildthing666 says...

You cannot put a price on safety it's as simpleas that every rroad and street should be gritted in serious cold weather but the council seem to like spending on vanity projects like the Lendal bridge scam that raked in over a million pounds
You cannot put a price on safety it's as simpleas that every rroad and street should be gritted in serious cold weather but the council seem to like spending on vanity projects like the Lendal bridge scam that raked in over a million pounds wildthing666
  • Score: -77

6:32pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Yorkborneinbse says...

We have a nice new cycle track to grit now. Just in case there is someone who may use the full length of it.
We have a nice new cycle track to grit now. Just in case there is someone who may use the full length of it. Yorkborneinbse
  • Score: -140

7:30pm Wed 16 Apr 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Wow, the man responsible for this overspend is now responsible for transport.
Wow, the man responsible for this overspend is now responsible for transport. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -26

9:17pm Wed 16 Apr 14

DeeJaiEss says...

It is distressing that the weather station at York University can record 7 separate days where the weather fell below 0°C but YCC can still overspend by this much.

As commented earlier, this winter has been exceptionally mild and so it could have been much, much worse.

The more pressing question is 'how has this been allowed?' It's not as if its the first incident of overspending - only a few days ago, it was reported of the cycle path which will run along the A1237 going massively over-budget.

Has local government become either a. so incompetent that it gets screwed over by any company it tenders new contracts to or b. is subject to 'quiet backhanders' which inflate their prices to cover such 'arrangements?'
It is distressing that the weather station at York University can record 7 separate days where the weather fell below 0°C but YCC can still overspend by this much. As commented earlier, this winter has been exceptionally mild and so it could have been much, much worse. The more pressing question is 'how has this been allowed?' It's not as if its the first incident of overspending - only a few days ago, it was reported of the cycle path which will run along the A1237 going massively over-budget. Has local government become either a. so incompetent that it gets screwed over by any company it tenders new contracts to or b. is subject to 'quiet backhanders' which inflate their prices to cover such 'arrangements?' DeeJaiEss
  • Score: 2

3:22am Thu 17 Apr 14

Magicman! says...

How the hell has the council overspent on road gritting? we've had 7 days when grit was spread out of the entire winter!Heaven forbid we have another winter like the 2011-12 one where the snow stayed down for 2-3 weeks.
How the hell has the council overspent on road gritting? we've had 7 days when grit was spread out of the entire winter!Heaven forbid we have another winter like the 2011-12 one where the snow stayed down for 2-3 weeks. Magicman!
  • Score: 3

9:43am Thu 17 Apr 14

Warren Z says...

DeeJaiEss wrote:
It is distressing that the weather station at York University can record 7 separate days where the weather fell below 0°C but YCC can still overspend by this much.

As commented earlier, this winter has been exceptionally mild and so it could have been much, much worse.

The more pressing question is 'how has this been allowed?' It's not as if its the first incident of overspending - only a few days ago, it was reported of the cycle path which will run along the A1237 going massively over-budget.

Has local government become either a. so incompetent that it gets screwed over by any company it tenders new contracts to or b. is subject to 'quiet backhanders' which inflate their prices to cover such 'arrangements?'
The latter is the only logical conclusion. They cannot all be that useless.
[quote][p][bold]DeeJaiEss[/bold] wrote: It is distressing that the weather station at York University can record 7 separate days where the weather fell below 0°C but YCC can still overspend by this much. As commented earlier, this winter has been exceptionally mild and so it could have been much, much worse. The more pressing question is 'how has this been allowed?' It's not as if its the first incident of overspending - only a few days ago, it was reported of the cycle path which will run along the A1237 going massively over-budget. Has local government become either a. so incompetent that it gets screwed over by any company it tenders new contracts to or b. is subject to 'quiet backhanders' which inflate their prices to cover such 'arrangements?'[/p][/quote]The latter is the only logical conclusion. They cannot all be that useless. Warren Z
  • Score: 1

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