Famous York shop to become brasserie, bar and coffee house

York Press: The Army and Navy Stores at the top of Fossgate, which is to become a brasserie, bar and coffee house The Army and Navy Stores at the top of Fossgate, which is to become a brasserie, bar and coffee house

A NEW brasserie, bar and coffee house in York's former Army & Navy Stores has today been approved, despite local residents' objections.

The 170-capacity business at the top of Fossgate will offer a range of foods and drinks, said applicant Richard Beal.

He said it would be significantly different from existing drinking venues in the street such as The Terrace and The Hop, as people would be encouraged to eat as well as drink, with high quality food on sale, and said the company was socially responsible and wanted to be part of the community.

Local residents Alison Richardson and Andy Dorse had claimed the venue would add to problems of noise and antisocial behaviour, which they said were in danger of turning the street into a 'second Micklegate.'

They said the noise from the street, including customers outside new pub The Hop, could already be heard from the living room of their flat in Fossgate, and the size and popularity of the pub had had a major impact on the general atmosphere in the street.

They feared people would end up congregating in the street all the way from the Blue Bell pub up to Pavement.

Mr Beal said: "The bar/brasserie will inevitably bring more people to Fossgate. However, I firmly believe this will be a positive step forwards in the evolution of the street. It will not be a city-centre circuit pub. The building needs to be developed soon to prevent further decay and damage."

He said he intended to live above the premises, and it was in his interests that the business did not intrude on residents or other businesses.

Coun Barbara Boyce, chairman of City of York Council's licensing committee, said she was satisfied that the 'very strict' conditions attached to the premises licence being granted by the committee would address residents' concerns and if they weren't adhered to, the licence could be reviewed and come back to the committee.

The Army & Navy Stores, which had been operating in York since 1919, was put up for sale in 2012 due to the owners' retirement.

Tougher rules on new pubs and bars were recently extended to new areas including Fossgate after police said the city could not take any more licensed premises.

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4:19pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Woody G Mellor says...

Hope they manage to retain the old counter and all that lovely shelving behind it. Good Luck to them, and any other new venture in these hard times. Mrs Mellor and myself look forward to visiting. Hope its good, we have very high standards.
Hope they manage to retain the old counter and all that lovely shelving behind it. Good Luck to them, and any other new venture in these hard times. Mrs Mellor and myself look forward to visiting. Hope its good, we have very high standards. Woody G Mellor
  • Score: 6

4:44pm Mon 14 Apr 14

eeoodares says...

170 people in there, sounds quite ambitious!
170 people in there, sounds quite ambitious! eeoodares
  • Score: 18

5:47pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

The council obviously want people to congregate in Fossgate because their recently published plans include greater pedestrianisation plus seats.
The council obviously want people to congregate in Fossgate because their recently published plans include greater pedestrianisation plus seats. Ignatius Lumpopo
  • Score: 4

6:13pm Mon 14 Apr 14

notmyrealname says...

Since when did the council listen to anything that the residents of York ask for ?
Since when did the council listen to anything that the residents of York ask for ? notmyrealname
  • Score: 9

6:28pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Dave Ruddock says...

how many drinking establishment do the council allow in 100 yards, never mind eating establishments, takeaways shops , Its no longer the an Historic City , its a Feeding Face city
how many drinking establishment do the council allow in 100 yards, never mind eating establishments, takeaways shops , Its no longer the an Historic City , its a Feeding Face city Dave Ruddock
  • Score: -8

7:15pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Loollah says...

Since the Hop has opened, I've never seen many if any people congregating outside. I use Fossgate quite a lot and the only problem I've experienced is the regulars at the Bluebell who routinely block the whole pavement and pay no heed to anyone who wants to get past.
Since the Hop has opened, I've never seen many if any people congregating outside. I use Fossgate quite a lot and the only problem I've experienced is the regulars at the Bluebell who routinely block the whole pavement and pay no heed to anyone who wants to get past. Loollah
  • Score: 44

8:11pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Pinza-C55 says...

My god what an exciting story. My life has changed for the better.
My god what an exciting story. My life has changed for the better. Pinza-C55
  • Score: -13

8:56pm Mon 14 Apr 14

bagnall1928@yahoo.com says...

MY FATHER AND BROTHER WERE MOTOR MECHANICS AND ALL THEIR OVERALLS WER BOUGHT FROM THIS STORE. GOOD FRIENDLY SERVICE AND HARDWEARING CLOTHING. i THNK MANY YORK WORKPEOPLE MUST HAVE SHOPPED THERE.
Another old business gone but I hope the building will be retained and
used for a long lasting business. Fossgate had the old Electric Cinema,
a good grocer too, a wallpaper shop, The Store with tools and building
needs also. on the bridge corner. There wa a good d grocery store then.
A pub or two. It was a well used street/
MY FATHER AND BROTHER WERE MOTOR MECHANICS AND ALL THEIR OVERALLS WER BOUGHT FROM THIS STORE. GOOD FRIENDLY SERVICE AND HARDWEARING CLOTHING. i THNK MANY YORK WORKPEOPLE MUST HAVE SHOPPED THERE. Another old business gone but I hope the building will be retained and used for a long lasting business. Fossgate had the old Electric Cinema, a good grocer too, a wallpaper shop, The Store with tools and building needs also. on the bridge corner. There wa a good d grocery store then. A pub or two. It was a well used street/ bagnall1928@yahoo.com
  • Score: 8

9:19pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Woody G Mellor says...

Woody G Mellor wrote:
Hope they manage to retain the old counter and all that lovely shelving behind it. Good Luck to them, and any other new venture in these hard times. Mrs Mellor and myself look forward to visiting. Hope its good, we have very high standards.
Looks like the sad score hackers has taken a dislike to me. Ha haa. That's made my day! (Tread carefully hacker, I've got an inkling who you are)
[quote][p][bold]Woody G Mellor[/bold] wrote: Hope they manage to retain the old counter and all that lovely shelving behind it. Good Luck to them, and any other new venture in these hard times. Mrs Mellor and myself look forward to visiting. Hope its good, we have very high standards.[/p][/quote]Looks like the sad score hackers has taken a dislike to me. Ha haa. That's made my day! (Tread carefully hacker, I've got an inkling who you are) Woody G Mellor
  • Score: -32

9:42pm Mon 14 Apr 14

mikebail says...

Great news I welcome it.
Great news I welcome it. mikebail
  • Score: 7

10:06pm Mon 14 Apr 14

roy_batty says...

The new tourism slogan could be...

"Come to York it's one big brasserie, bar and coffee house!"
The new tourism slogan could be... "Come to York it's one big brasserie, bar and coffee house!" roy_batty
  • Score: 4

7:41am Tue 15 Apr 14

clm058 says...

Just what York needs, somewhere to get something to eat and a few beers
Just what York needs, somewhere to get something to eat and a few beers clm058
  • Score: 7

7:41am Tue 15 Apr 14

piaggio1 says...

Tbe counter has bin ripped out.an I think all the shelving.well dint see any of it yesterday. ( mon ).
Tbe counter has bin ripped out.an I think all the shelving.well dint see any of it yesterday. ( mon ). piaggio1
  • Score: -2

7:58am Tue 15 Apr 14

MadamoiselleE says...

I do think if you choose to live in the city centre then you have to expect noise!! If you want peace & quiet then move a little further out. I'd rather see the building being turned into a nice bar/eatery than it remain empty & go to wrack & ruin.
I do think if you choose to live in the city centre then you have to expect noise!! If you want peace & quiet then move a little further out. I'd rather see the building being turned into a nice bar/eatery than it remain empty & go to wrack & ruin. MadamoiselleE
  • Score: 25

10:24am Tue 15 Apr 14

Warren Z says...

roy_batty wrote:
The new tourism slogan could be...

"Come to York it's one big brasserie, bar and coffee house!"
Very good roy,the council would pay a tourism expert £100K for that idea.
[quote][p][bold]roy_batty[/bold] wrote: The new tourism slogan could be... "Come to York it's one big brasserie, bar and coffee house!"[/p][/quote]Very good roy,the council would pay a tourism expert £100K for that idea. Warren Z
  • Score: 4

11:01am Tue 15 Apr 14

Platform9 says...

"He said it would be significantly different from existing drinking venues in the street such as The Terrace and The Hop, as people would be encouraged to eat as well as drink"

Erm - they do eat in The Terrace and The Hop?
"He said it would be significantly different from existing drinking venues in the street such as The Terrace and The Hop, as people would be encouraged to eat as well as drink" Erm - they do eat in The Terrace and The Hop? Platform9
  • Score: 2

11:58am Tue 15 Apr 14

TuttiFlutey says...

I am not sure York needs another Bar/Brasserie, but I have no objections to developing Fossgate into a nice open pedestrianised street that encourages patrons to eat and drink outdoors - go to Europe and you expect to see seating at the front of all catering/drinking establishments, and I think this sort of atmosphere would suit York down to the ground. Positive development like this should be supported and encouraged, especially since the City of York Council so rarely gets it right...

I agree with MadamoiselleE in both comments - I live on Gillygate, and so expect to hear people going home on a night, and heavy traffic. If you have chosen to live in or near the city centre, do not complain about the inherent noise that comes with that choice; and there are already far too many historic buildings that are sitting empty and useless - at least it's not another Tesco!
I am not sure York needs another Bar/Brasserie, but I have no objections to developing Fossgate into a nice open pedestrianised street that encourages patrons to eat and drink outdoors - go to Europe and you expect to see seating at the front of all catering/drinking establishments, and I think this sort of atmosphere would suit York down to the ground. Positive development like this should be supported and encouraged, especially since the City of York Council so rarely gets it right... I agree with MadamoiselleE in both comments - I live on Gillygate, and so expect to hear people going home on a night, and heavy traffic. If you have chosen to live in or near the city centre, do not complain about the inherent noise that comes with that choice; and there are already far too many historic buildings that are sitting empty and useless - at least it's not another Tesco! TuttiFlutey
  • Score: 13

12:37pm Tue 15 Apr 14

beermeup says...

Just what we need, another coffee house. We also need more mini-markets and street peddlars selling phone cases! And yes, the somewhat large regulars at The Blue Bell are a pain in the arse blocking a street that is narrow at the best of times.
Just what we need, another coffee house. We also need more mini-markets and street peddlars selling phone cases! And yes, the somewhat large regulars at The Blue Bell are a pain in the arse blocking a street that is narrow at the best of times. beermeup
  • Score: -3

6:00pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Woody G Mellor says...

If all the moaners would like to move into the empty retail units and start their own unique, money spinning business then please, stop wasting your time moaning on here and get on with it!
If all the moaners would like to move into the empty retail units and start their own unique, money spinning business then please, stop wasting your time moaning on here and get on with it! Woody G Mellor
  • Score: 11

7:27pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Mullarkian says...

Super! - great for the grockles.
Super! - great for the grockles. Mullarkian
  • Score: 0

8:18pm Tue 15 Apr 14

ouseswimmer says...

Mullarkian wrote:
Super! - great for the grockles.
York is not Devon!
[quote][p][bold]Mullarkian[/bold] wrote: Super! - great for the grockles.[/p][/quote]York is not Devon! ouseswimmer
  • Score: 1

6:28pm Wed 16 Apr 14

mrslbf says...

Amazed about all these people who choose to live in the center of town and then complain about noise.. Crackers.
Amazed about all these people who choose to live in the center of town and then complain about noise.. Crackers. mrslbf
  • Score: 3

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