Lendal Bridge traffic ban ends

York Press: Lendal Bridge on August 27 last year, the day the traffic trial began. Lendal Bridge on August 27 last year, the day the traffic trial began.

YORK'S Lendal Bridge traffic ban - one of the most controversial episodes in the city's recent history - has ended this afternoon.

City of York Council's ruling Labour group this week voted to abandon the restrictions which have prevented cars, vans, lorries and motorbikes from crossing the bridge for six-and-a-half hours a day since the end of August, following a Government traffic adjudicator's criticism of the scheme.

The bridge will be fully reopened from tomorrow, with enforcement of the restrictions having ended at 5pm today. More than 53,000 fines were issued during the six-month bridge trial, which ended on February 27 but with the rules staying in force ahead of a decision on its future.

This was due to be made by the Labour cabinet on May 6, but the party axed the restrictions at a meeting on Tuesday night, saying they had succeeded in many of their aims but had divided opinion across the city and a fresh look must be taken at how to tackle York's congestion problems.

Last week, adjudicator Stephen Knapp of the Traffic Penalty Tribunal said the council had no power to fine motorists for breaching traffic restrictions on Lendal Bridge and Coppergate because neither route could be classed as a bus lane. The council has insisted the schemes are lawful and is set to appeal against Mr Knapp's judgement.

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5:30pm Fri 11 Apr 14

The OX says...

There's some cars going over Lendal Bridge. They think it's all over?...............
.... It is now!!!!!
There's some cars going over Lendal Bridge. They think it's all over?............... .... It is now!!!!! The OX
  • Score: 15132

5:36pm Fri 11 Apr 14

the original Homer says...

There are 2 statements which keep being reported as if they represent conflicting views and could be the basis of an appeal by the Council:

1 The adjudicator said the fines were illegal, because they aren't bus lanes.
2 The Council have been advised the schemes are legal.

Why can no-one on the Council see that both points are right? The 2nd point merely says the scheme (the restrictions) were legal, not that the fines were legal. They didn't need legal advice for that as the adjudicator himself said as much.

Is this Council going to go to appeal only to be told to go away and read the report?

There are 2 points which any appeal would have to take into account:

A)
CCTV can't be used to generate Penalty Charge Notices on traffic restrictions other than bus lanes.

B)
A "bus lane" which allows access to the Wally Trolley (Land Train), to anything with a Council logo on the side and to anything with a Royal Mail logo on the side is not a bus lane at all.

As the appeal can only be judged within the law as it stands it has no power to overturn point A.
Point B is just common sense, the standard test being "What would the man on the London Omnibus think?". Ironic that the man on the bus would say it isn't a bus lane.

There it is, written for the Council to see - there is no point in incurring the extra costs of going to an appeal - you can't win.
There are 2 statements which keep being reported as if they represent conflicting views and could be the basis of an appeal by the Council: 1 The adjudicator said the fines were illegal, because they aren't bus lanes. 2 The Council have been advised the schemes are legal. Why can no-one on the Council see that both points are right? The 2nd point merely says the scheme (the restrictions) were legal, not that the fines were legal. They didn't need legal advice for that as the adjudicator himself said as much. Is this Council going to go to appeal only to be told to go away and read the report? There are 2 points which any appeal would have to take into account: A) CCTV can't be used to generate Penalty Charge Notices on traffic restrictions other than bus lanes. B) A "bus lane" which allows access to the Wally Trolley (Land Train), to anything with a Council logo on the side and to anything with a Royal Mail logo on the side is not a bus lane at all. As the appeal can only be judged within the law as it stands it has no power to overturn point A. Point B is just common sense, the standard test being "What would the man on the London Omnibus think?". Ironic that the man on the bus would say it isn't a bus lane. There it is, written for the Council to see - there is no point in incurring the extra costs of going to an appeal - you can't win. the original Homer
  • Score: -45

5:41pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Blimp says...

Well done Original Homer - probably the most intelligent post we've had in this whole debate.

Brilliant, love it! More please.
Well done Original Homer - probably the most intelligent post we've had in this whole debate. Brilliant, love it! More please. Blimp
  • Score: 0

6:03pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Back and Beyond says...

Not been around there today, are all the signs down and the road markings removed?

Well done to all those that challenged and complained.
Not been around there today, are all the signs down and the road markings removed? Well done to all those that challenged and complained. Back and Beyond
  • Score: 1963

6:05pm Fri 11 Apr 14

non pedalling pete says...

The adjuster is quick off the mark today
The adjuster is quick off the mark today non pedalling pete
  • Score: -10

6:07pm Fri 11 Apr 14

tobefair says...

Politicians of all persuasions please note.
Pedalling Paul may be very vociferous but he represents a small minority of the travelling population of this city.
DON'T MESS WITH THE MOTORISTS.
The silent majority will not stand for it.
Politicians of all persuasions please note. Pedalling Paul may be very vociferous but he represents a small minority of the travelling population of this city. DON'T MESS WITH THE MOTORISTS. The silent majority will not stand for it. tobefair
  • Score: -163

6:21pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Go on Press, wring this this story out like a slightly moist towel, I'm sure a few more drops in there...

Have to admit without a bridge story today it all looked a bit parochial and dull didn't it?

Who's next to step up and provide the column inches?
Go on Press, wring this this story out like a slightly moist towel, I'm sure a few more drops in there... Have to admit without a bridge story today it all looked a bit parochial and dull didn't it? Who's next to step up and provide the column inches? Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 65

6:38pm Fri 11 Apr 14

AnotherPointofView says...

Back and Beyond wrote:
Not been around there today, are all the signs down and the road markings removed?

Well done to all those that challenged and complained.
I have been over it couple of times today but the signs are still in place. There's quite a few cars going over it. Far more than at this point last week.

Technically the council is abandoning the scheme from today but in reality it's been pointless from when the adjudicator ruled against the council last week.

Why they didn't just concede last week, I don't know. Must be something to do with being arrogant.
[quote][p][bold]Back and Beyond[/bold] wrote: Not been around there today, are all the signs down and the road markings removed? Well done to all those that challenged and complained.[/p][/quote]I have been over it couple of times today but the signs are still in place. There's quite a few cars going over it. Far more than at this point last week. Technically the council is abandoning the scheme from today but in reality it's been pointless from when the adjudicator ruled against the council last week. Why they didn't just concede last week, I don't know. Must be something to do with being arrogant. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: -55

6:46pm Fri 11 Apr 14

bolero says...

Some bright Labour Councillor said it should be abandoned because otherwise to continue would lose labour the 2015 election. Wake up sonny boy, you'd already lost it from the outset plus the other wasteful schemes like Kings Square and unwanted, unused cycle tracks and so we could go on. But more particularly, because of your useless clown of a leader.
Some bright Labour Councillor said it should be abandoned because otherwise to continue would lose labour the 2015 election. Wake up sonny boy, you'd already lost it from the outset plus the other wasteful schemes like Kings Square and unwanted, unused cycle tracks and so we could go on. But more particularly, because of your useless clown of a leader. bolero
  • Score: -99

7:09pm Fri 11 Apr 14

MouseHouse says...

The ban was a worthy trial, but you can only go ahead with trials if they are legal, and that basic pre-requisite should have been resolved prior to the start.

Regardless of politics this is, as with Maria Miller earlier this week, a resignation matter.
The ban was a worthy trial, but you can only go ahead with trials if they are legal, and that basic pre-requisite should have been resolved prior to the start. Regardless of politics this is, as with Maria Miller earlier this week, a resignation matter. MouseHouse
  • Score: -104

7:14pm Fri 11 Apr 14

RingoStarr says...

non pedalling pete wrote:
The adjuster is quick off the mark today
He certainly is!
Mind you, he's probably feeling a bit upset today.
[quote][p][bold]non pedalling pete[/bold] wrote: The adjuster is quick off the mark today[/p][/quote]He certainly is! Mind you, he's probably feeling a bit upset today. RingoStarr
  • Score: -90

7:41pm Fri 11 Apr 14

eeoodares says...

Its the end of their careers and they know it. Cant help but notice how quiet Semlyn has gone!
Its the end of their careers and they know it. Cant help but notice how quiet Semlyn has gone! eeoodares
  • Score: -44

8:01pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Igiveinthen says...

tobefair wrote:
Politicians of all persuasions please note.
Pedalling Paul may be very vociferous but he represents a small minority of the travelling population of this city.
DON'T MESS WITH THE MOTORISTS.
The silent majority will not stand for it.
STOP PRESS!!!

Lendal Bridge traffic restrictions to be discontinued, grand reopening day on Saturday 12 April 2014, Lord Mayor, James Alexander, Dave Merrett, Kirsten England and Tracey Simpson Lang will be at the opening ceremony to watch Paul Hepworth our distinguished cycling celebrity cut the ribbon and declare it open to all types of traffic!!!
Well done everyone and hearty congratulations to the City of York Council.
[quote][p][bold]tobefair[/bold] wrote: Politicians of all persuasions please note. Pedalling Paul may be very vociferous but he represents a small minority of the travelling population of this city. DON'T MESS WITH THE MOTORISTS. The silent majority will not stand for it.[/p][/quote]STOP PRESS!!! Lendal Bridge traffic restrictions to be discontinued, grand reopening day on Saturday 12 April 2014, Lord Mayor, James Alexander, Dave Merrett, Kirsten England and Tracey Simpson Lang will be at the opening ceremony to watch Paul Hepworth our distinguished cycling celebrity cut the ribbon and declare it open to all types of traffic!!! Well done everyone and hearty congratulations to the City of York Council. Igiveinthen
  • Score: -93

8:01pm Fri 11 Apr 14

bill bailey says...

The reason the gang of 2 Alexander The great ( I'll say/do anything to get my ugly mug in the Press) and Merrett The Ferret (I'll wont resign) refuse to pay back the fines is because they will loose the city tax payers 33% commission
they paid the company for collecting the fines.
The reason the gang of 2 Alexander The great ( I'll say/do anything to get my ugly mug in the Press) and Merrett The Ferret (I'll wont resign) refuse to pay back the fines is because they will loose the city tax payers 33% commission they paid the company for collecting the fines. bill bailey
  • Score: -18

8:04pm Fri 11 Apr 14

marvell says...

What's the betting that Calamity James will not even stand in 2015 for the Council - having been selected for a safe Labour Parliamentary constituency somewhere...
What's the betting that Calamity James will not even stand in 2015 for the Council - having been selected for a safe Labour Parliamentary constituency somewhere... marvell
  • Score: -83

8:05pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Igiveinthen says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Go on Press, wring this this story out like a slightly moist towel, I'm sure a few more drops in there...

Have to admit without a bridge story today it all looked a bit parochial and dull didn't it?

Who's next to step up and provide the column inches?
It's kind of sad in an ironic sort of way, what will we do now, suppose I'll have to the garden as the nights are pulling out!
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Go on Press, wring this this story out like a slightly moist towel, I'm sure a few more drops in there... Have to admit without a bridge story today it all looked a bit parochial and dull didn't it? Who's next to step up and provide the column inches?[/p][/quote]It's kind of sad in an ironic sort of way, what will we do now, suppose I'll have to the garden as the nights are pulling out! Igiveinthen
  • Score: -74

8:13pm Fri 11 Apr 14

chelk says...

bill bailey wrote:
The reason the gang of 2 Alexander The great ( I'll say/do anything to get my ugly mug in the Press) and Merrett The Ferret (I'll wont resign) refuse to pay back the fines is because they will loose the city tax payers 33% commission
they paid the company for collecting the fines.
The shortfall should come out of both of their wages
[quote][p][bold]bill bailey[/bold] wrote: The reason the gang of 2 Alexander The great ( I'll say/do anything to get my ugly mug in the Press) and Merrett The Ferret (I'll wont resign) refuse to pay back the fines is because they will loose the city tax payers 33% commission they paid the company for collecting the fines.[/p][/quote]The shortfall should come out of both of their wages chelk
  • Score: -88

8:28pm Fri 11 Apr 14

piaggio1 says...

The shortfall should come out of the next daft cycling scheme this useless bunch of idiots ever comes up with.
They cant even do the decent thing .as in resign.and yea semelyn ??????
Remarkably quite.
Next target........20s plenty signs...and make her pay....
The shortfall should come out of the next daft cycling scheme this useless bunch of idiots ever comes up with. They cant even do the decent thing .as in resign.and yea semelyn ?????? Remarkably quite. Next target........20s plenty signs...and make her pay.... piaggio1
  • Score: -60

8:33pm Fri 11 Apr 14

ouseswimmer says...

I went over at 4pm today. Plenty of cars using it then. Now why has Coppergate not been changed?
I went over at 4pm today. Plenty of cars using it then. Now why has Coppergate not been changed? ouseswimmer
  • Score: -175

8:44pm Fri 11 Apr 14

nearlyman says...

marvell wrote:
What's the betting that Calamity James will not even stand in 2015 for the Council - having been selected for a safe Labour Parliamentary constituency somewhere...
We can but dream !!
[quote][p][bold]marvell[/bold] wrote: What's the betting that Calamity James will not even stand in 2015 for the Council - having been selected for a safe Labour Parliamentary constituency somewhere...[/p][/quote]We can but dream !! nearlyman
  • Score: -51

9:02pm Fri 11 Apr 14

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

marvell wrote:
What's the betting that Calamity James will not even stand in 2015 for the Council - having been selected for a safe Labour Parliamentary constituency somewhere...
Ah but..........What if that safe Labour seat is York?
[quote][p][bold]marvell[/bold] wrote: What's the betting that Calamity James will not even stand in 2015 for the Council - having been selected for a safe Labour Parliamentary constituency somewhere...[/p][/quote]Ah but..........What if that safe Labour seat is York? NoNewsIsGoodNews
  • Score: -14

9:10pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Silver says...

nearlyman wrote:
marvell wrote:
What's the betting that Calamity James will not even stand in 2015 for the Council - having been selected for a safe Labour Parliamentary constituency somewhere...
We can but dream !!
Whats the betting they won't? If I was in charge of Labour, I'd put him in the hands of fate. A Labour win in York is rare andhe only had to make minor changes and keep things as they stood and they'd potentially have been a success. Instead he fell from the beginning and has hindered Labour's image. I'm a Labour voter and if I had to vote for him to be a MP I'd vote independant instead
[quote][p][bold]nearlyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marvell[/bold] wrote: What's the betting that Calamity James will not even stand in 2015 for the Council - having been selected for a safe Labour Parliamentary constituency somewhere...[/p][/quote]We can but dream !![/p][/quote]Whats the betting they won't? If I was in charge of Labour, I'd put him in the hands of fate. A Labour win in York is rare andhe only had to make minor changes and keep things as they stood and they'd potentially have been a success. Instead he fell from the beginning and has hindered Labour's image. I'm a Labour voter and if I had to vote for him to be a MP I'd vote independant instead Silver
  • Score: -58

9:20pm Fri 11 Apr 14

anth!! says...

If i've missed it, I apologise, but is the coppergate ban still enforced ?
If i've missed it, I apologise, but is the coppergate ban still enforced ? anth!!
  • Score: -201

9:35pm Fri 11 Apr 14

jay, york says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Go on Press, wring this this story out like a slightly moist towel, I'm sure a few more drops in there... Have to admit without a bridge story today it all looked a bit parochial and dull didn't it? Who's next to step up and provide the column inches?
Seems to be an awful lot of bittterness in your comments buzz - wonder why that should be?????. Are your pals having a play day today?????
But please dont worry - Lendal Bodge is not the first example of CoYCincompetance - and will not be the last. I am sure we will all have plenty to say going forward - and then you are your mates can respond in your usual unprofessional manner and adjust scores to look as though your have support, when you dont.
Lets look at 20mph zones - someone almost ran into the back of be yesterday in a village near York. I obeyed the 20 limit and slowed even more when a vehicle ahead was pulling out - unfortunatley the idiot behind me did not even see this. He almost ran into the back of me - and then attempted to pass me on the inside.to avoid a collision. Who was this idiot?? Yes a cyclist wearing a fleece that would suggest he belongs to a loal cycling club. I am NOT anti cyclist but. idiots like them do them no favours.............
..
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Go on Press, wring this this story out like a slightly moist towel, I'm sure a few more drops in there... Have to admit without a bridge story today it all looked a bit parochial and dull didn't it? Who's next to step up and provide the column inches?[/p][/quote]Seems to be an awful lot of bittterness in your comments buzz - wonder why that should be?????. Are your pals having a play day today????? But please dont worry - Lendal Bodge is not the first example of CoYCincompetance - and will not be the last. I am sure we will all have plenty to say going forward - and then you are your mates can respond in your usual unprofessional manner and adjust scores to look as though your have support, when you dont. Lets look at 20mph zones - someone almost ran into the back of be yesterday in a village near York. I obeyed the 20 limit and slowed even more when a vehicle ahead was pulling out - unfortunatley the idiot behind me did not even see this. He almost ran into the back of me - and then attempted to pass me on the inside.to avoid a collision. Who was this idiot?? Yes a cyclist wearing a fleece that would suggest he belongs to a loal cycling club. I am NOT anti cyclist but. idiots like them do them no favours............. .. jay, york
  • Score: -70

11:12pm Fri 11 Apr 14

pedalling paul says...

tobefair wrote:
Politicians of all persuasions please note.
Pedalling Paul may be very vociferous but he represents a small minority of the travelling population of this city.
DON'T MESS WITH THE MOTORISTS.
The silent majority will not stand for it.
Unfortunately is is that majority of car owners, many wanting but not all needing to access the same medieval street layout at the same time, who are contributing to the very problem that they complain about. The above attitude is what will drive York into eventual gridlock or congestion charging.
But.... I hear someone say......Councillors are elected to do what we want.

OK so if they do what you want, no problem for me. Enjoy the queues. I'll sail by them on my bike.
[quote][p][bold]tobefair[/bold] wrote: Politicians of all persuasions please note. Pedalling Paul may be very vociferous but he represents a small minority of the travelling population of this city. DON'T MESS WITH THE MOTORISTS. The silent majority will not stand for it.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately is is that majority of car owners, many wanting but not all needing to access the same medieval street layout at the same time, who are contributing to the very problem that they complain about. The above attitude is what will drive York into eventual gridlock or congestion charging. But.... I hear someone say......Councillors are elected to do what we want. OK so if they do what you want, no problem for me. Enjoy the queues. I'll sail by them on my bike. pedalling paul
  • Score: -5124

11:38pm Fri 11 Apr 14

m dee says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Go on Press, wring this this story out like a slightly moist towel, I'm sure a few more drops in there...

Have to admit without a bridge story today it all looked a bit parochial and dull didn't it?

Who's next to step up and provide the column inches?
Still got the official reopening to go on Saturday, then the debate on what we can learn from this.
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Go on Press, wring this this story out like a slightly moist towel, I'm sure a few more drops in there... Have to admit without a bridge story today it all looked a bit parochial and dull didn't it? Who's next to step up and provide the column inches?[/p][/quote]Still got the official reopening to go on Saturday, then the debate on what we can learn from this. m dee
  • Score: -123

12:52am Sat 12 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

eeoodares wrote:
Its the end of their careers and they know it. Cant help but notice how quiet Semlyn has gone!
Although Merrett is on Twitter, he only manages the odd tweet, like once a month, so you can't guage if this has had an effect on his behaviour.

The deputy leader, Simpson-Laing, on the other hand has been uncharacteritically quiet, and has only tweeted nine times in the last week. Four tweets were about TV programmes, one about the next Star trek movie, one just said 'ok', and two RT's. She has not tweeted at all for the last three days.

Prior to this one week period of low output, on 4th April she did six tweets, on 3rd April; ten, and on 2nd April; fifty-five (55) tweets !

This sudden drop off in highly inconsistent with her usual twitter behaviour, and clearly the unfolding of the Lendal Bridge affair has had a profound effect. It has almost rendered her speechless - something many of us are celebrating. I hope it signifies sometyhing more than a temporary blip.
[quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: Its the end of their careers and they know it. Cant help but notice how quiet Semlyn has gone![/p][/quote]Although Merrett is on Twitter, he only manages the odd tweet, like once a month, so you can't guage if this has had an effect on his behaviour. The deputy leader, Simpson-Laing, on the other hand has been uncharacteritically quiet, and has only tweeted nine times in the last week. Four tweets were about TV programmes, one about the next Star trek movie, one just said 'ok', and two RT's. She has not tweeted at all for the last three days. Prior to this one week period of low output, on 4th April she did six tweets, on 3rd April; ten, and on 2nd April; fifty-five (55) tweets ! This sudden drop off in highly inconsistent with her usual twitter behaviour, and clearly the unfolding of the Lendal Bridge affair has had a profound effect. It has almost rendered her speechless - something many of us are celebrating. I hope it signifies sometyhing more than a temporary blip. Badgers Drift
  • Score: -41

5:07am Sat 12 Apr 14

Magicman! says...

tobefair wrote:
Politicians of all persuasions please note.
Pedalling Paul may be very vociferous but he represents a small minority of the travelling population of this city.
DON'T MESS WITH THE MOTORISTS.
The silent majority will not stand for it.
SILENT MAJORITY????

Are you high?!

Take a trawl back through these pages about Lendal bridge, and you will see the "I have car therefore I must drive it anywhere at any time of day without restriction" brigade have been far from 'silent'.... just the same as they were far from 'silent' when it came to the cycle lane on Water End - even motorists who never used that street before during or after the cycle lane was there thought their opinion needed to be heard.

This is now twice that the council have buckled under pressure from the most selfish individuals in this city.
[quote][p][bold]tobefair[/bold] wrote: Politicians of all persuasions please note. Pedalling Paul may be very vociferous but he represents a small minority of the travelling population of this city. DON'T MESS WITH THE MOTORISTS. The silent majority will not stand for it.[/p][/quote]SILENT MAJORITY???? Are you high?! Take a trawl back through these pages about Lendal bridge, and you will see the "I have car therefore I must drive it anywhere at any time of day without restriction" brigade have been far from 'silent'.... just the same as they were far from 'silent' when it came to the cycle lane on Water End - even motorists who never used that street before during or after the cycle lane was there thought their opinion needed to be heard. This is now twice that the council have buckled under pressure from the most selfish individuals in this city. Magicman!
  • Score: -4993

5:10am Sat 12 Apr 14

Magicman! says...

Igiveinthen wrote:
tobefair wrote:
Politicians of all persuasions please note.
Pedalling Paul may be very vociferous but he represents a small minority of the travelling population of this city.
DON'T MESS WITH THE MOTORISTS.
The silent majority will not stand for it.
STOP PRESS!!!

Lendal Bridge traffic restrictions to be discontinued, grand reopening day on Saturday 12 April 2014, Lord Mayor, James Alexander, Dave Merrett, Kirsten England and Tracey Simpson Lang will be at the opening ceremony to watch Paul Hepworth our distinguished cycling celebrity cut the ribbon and declare it open to all types of traffic!!!
Well done everyone and hearty congratulations to the City of York Council.
... after which Paul Hepworth will get knocked over by some clown in a small car who can't see beyond their bonnet - probably the bloke who complained to the traffic adjudicator in the first place because he didn't look at the signs for Coppergate, despite it being the second time he had been through there during restrictions (he had written a letter to the Press the first time he got fined as I recall)
[quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tobefair[/bold] wrote: Politicians of all persuasions please note. Pedalling Paul may be very vociferous but he represents a small minority of the travelling population of this city. DON'T MESS WITH THE MOTORISTS. The silent majority will not stand for it.[/p][/quote]STOP PRESS!!! Lendal Bridge traffic restrictions to be discontinued, grand reopening day on Saturday 12 April 2014, Lord Mayor, James Alexander, Dave Merrett, Kirsten England and Tracey Simpson Lang will be at the opening ceremony to watch Paul Hepworth our distinguished cycling celebrity cut the ribbon and declare it open to all types of traffic!!! Well done everyone and hearty congratulations to the City of York Council.[/p][/quote]... after which Paul Hepworth will get knocked over by some clown in a small car who can't see beyond their bonnet - probably the bloke who complained to the traffic adjudicator in the first place because he didn't look at the signs for Coppergate, despite it being the second time he had been through there during restrictions (he had written a letter to the Press the first time he got fined as I recall) Magicman!
  • Score: -4398

7:15am Sat 12 Apr 14

Igiveinthen says...

pedalling paul wrote:
tobefair wrote:
Politicians of all persuasions please note.
Pedalling Paul may be very vociferous but he represents a small minority of the travelling population of this city.
DON'T MESS WITH THE MOTORISTS.
The silent majority will not stand for it.
Unfortunately is is that majority of car owners, many wanting but not all needing to access the same medieval street layout at the same time, who are contributing to the very problem that they complain about. The above attitude is what will drive York into eventual gridlock or congestion charging.
But.... I hear someone say......Councillors are elected to do what we want.

OK so if they do what you want, no problem for me. Enjoy the queues. I'll sail by them on my bike.
PP/Hepworth you assume that all car drivers traveling in and out of the city complain about queues, it is part and parcel of ALL modern city life, when I travel to Leeds, Bradford, Huddersfield, Halifax etc. etc., I get stuck I traffic queues, but I don't complain because I have factored in the probability into my journey time.
Sail past me on your bike as many times as you like, it's not a problem and in no way am I envious of you, particularly when it's cold, wet and windy, even when it's hot I have air conditioning.
So please don't feel sorry for me as I am one of many drivers that is not complaining, what I do complain about is your attitude, Lendal Bridge is now being used for what it was built for, taking traffic across a river, let us look forward now to a council with some sense and ability to engage all parties and electorate alike in a solution to Yorks traffic problems that takes into account the needs of everyone and not the minority.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tobefair[/bold] wrote: Politicians of all persuasions please note. Pedalling Paul may be very vociferous but he represents a small minority of the travelling population of this city. DON'T MESS WITH THE MOTORISTS. The silent majority will not stand for it.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately is is that majority of car owners, many wanting but not all needing to access the same medieval street layout at the same time, who are contributing to the very problem that they complain about. The above attitude is what will drive York into eventual gridlock or congestion charging. But.... I hear someone say......Councillors are elected to do what we want. OK so if they do what you want, no problem for me. Enjoy the queues. I'll sail by them on my bike.[/p][/quote]PP/Hepworth you assume that all car drivers traveling in and out of the city complain about queues, it is part and parcel of ALL modern city life, when I travel to Leeds, Bradford, Huddersfield, Halifax etc. etc., I get stuck I traffic queues, but I don't complain because I have factored in the probability into my journey time. Sail past me on your bike as many times as you like, it's not a problem and in no way am I envious of you, particularly when it's cold, wet and windy, even when it's hot I have air conditioning. So please don't feel sorry for me as I am one of many drivers that is not complaining, what I do complain about is your attitude, Lendal Bridge is now being used for what it was built for, taking traffic across a river, let us look forward now to a council with some sense and ability to engage all parties and electorate alike in a solution to Yorks traffic problems that takes into account the needs of everyone and not the minority. Igiveinthen
  • Score: 10

7:18am Sat 12 Apr 14

Igiveinthen says...

Magicman! wrote:
Igiveinthen wrote:
tobefair wrote:
Politicians of all persuasions please note.
Pedalling Paul may be very vociferous but he represents a small minority of the travelling population of this city.
DON'T MESS WITH THE MOTORISTS.
The silent majority will not stand for it.
STOP PRESS!!!

Lendal Bridge traffic restrictions to be discontinued, grand reopening day on Saturday 12 April 2014, Lord Mayor, James Alexander, Dave Merrett, Kirsten England and Tracey Simpson Lang will be at the opening ceremony to watch Paul Hepworth our distinguished cycling celebrity cut the ribbon and declare it open to all types of traffic!!!
Well done everyone and hearty congratulations to the City of York Council.
... after which Paul Hepworth will get knocked over by some clown in a small car who can't see beyond their bonnet - probably the bloke who complained to the traffic adjudicator in the first place because he didn't look at the signs for Coppergate, despite it being the second time he had been through there during restrictions (he had written a letter to the Press the first time he got fined as I recall)
You are getting to sound just like pp/Hepworth
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tobefair[/bold] wrote: Politicians of all persuasions please note. Pedalling Paul may be very vociferous but he represents a small minority of the travelling population of this city. DON'T MESS WITH THE MOTORISTS. The silent majority will not stand for it.[/p][/quote]STOP PRESS!!! Lendal Bridge traffic restrictions to be discontinued, grand reopening day on Saturday 12 April 2014, Lord Mayor, James Alexander, Dave Merrett, Kirsten England and Tracey Simpson Lang will be at the opening ceremony to watch Paul Hepworth our distinguished cycling celebrity cut the ribbon and declare it open to all types of traffic!!! Well done everyone and hearty congratulations to the City of York Council.[/p][/quote]... after which Paul Hepworth will get knocked over by some clown in a small car who can't see beyond their bonnet - probably the bloke who complained to the traffic adjudicator in the first place because he didn't look at the signs for Coppergate, despite it being the second time he had been through there during restrictions (he had written a letter to the Press the first time he got fined as I recall)[/p][/quote]You are getting to sound just like pp/Hepworth Igiveinthen
  • Score: 11

8:49am Sat 12 Apr 14

pedalling paul says...

bolero wrote:
Some bright Labour Councillor said it should be abandoned because otherwise to continue would lose labour the 2015 election. Wake up sonny boy, you'd already lost it from the outset plus the other wasteful schemes like Kings Square and unwanted, unused cycle tracks and so we could go on. But more particularly, because of your useless clown of a leader.
Unused cycle tracks........not the A1237 again....! How many more times..it
awaits a new bridge span across the Leeds-Scarborough railway line, and is not due to open until summer. Funding courtesy of the Government's Local Sustainable Transport Fund, not CoYC Council Tax payers. Get your facts right before putting finger to keyboard.
[quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: Some bright Labour Councillor said it should be abandoned because otherwise to continue would lose labour the 2015 election. Wake up sonny boy, you'd already lost it from the outset plus the other wasteful schemes like Kings Square and unwanted, unused cycle tracks and so we could go on. But more particularly, because of your useless clown of a leader.[/p][/quote]Unused cycle tracks........not the A1237 again....! How many more times..it awaits a new bridge span across the Leeds-Scarborough railway line, and is not due to open until summer. Funding courtesy of the Government's Local Sustainable Transport Fund, not CoYC Council Tax payers. Get your facts right before putting finger to keyboard. pedalling paul
  • Score: -13770

8:57am Sat 12 Apr 14

pedalling paul says...

Igiveinthen wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
tobefair wrote:
Politicians of all persuasions please note.
Pedalling Paul may be very vociferous but he represents a small minority of the travelling population of this city.
DON'T MESS WITH THE MOTORISTS.
The silent majority will not stand for it.
Unfortunately is is that majority of car owners, many wanting but not all needing to access the same medieval street layout at the same time, who are contributing to the very problem that they complain about. The above attitude is what will drive York into eventual gridlock or congestion charging.
But.... I hear someone say......Councillors are elected to do what we want.

OK so if they do what you want, no problem for me. Enjoy the queues. I'll sail by them on my bike.
PP/Hepworth you assume that all car drivers traveling in and out of the city complain about queues, it is part and parcel of ALL modern city life, when I travel to Leeds, Bradford, Huddersfield, Halifax etc. etc., I get stuck I traffic queues, but I don't complain because I have factored in the probability into my journey time.
Sail past me on your bike as many times as you like, it's not a problem and in no way am I envious of you, particularly when it's cold, wet and windy, even when it's hot I have air conditioning.
So please don't feel sorry for me as I am one of many drivers that is not complaining, what I do complain about is your attitude, Lendal Bridge is now being used for what it was built for, taking traffic across a river, let us look forward now to a council with some sense and ability to engage all parties and electorate alike in a solution to Yorks traffic problems that takes into account the needs of everyone and not the minority.
Not sure which of us you are addressing, but I'll reply on my own behalf. I'll continue to enjoy my urban commute in the fast lane. Please continue to enjoy yours in the fat lane..........
[quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tobefair[/bold] wrote: Politicians of all persuasions please note. Pedalling Paul may be very vociferous but he represents a small minority of the travelling population of this city. DON'T MESS WITH THE MOTORISTS. The silent majority will not stand for it.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately is is that majority of car owners, many wanting but not all needing to access the same medieval street layout at the same time, who are contributing to the very problem that they complain about. The above attitude is what will drive York into eventual gridlock or congestion charging. But.... I hear someone say......Councillors are elected to do what we want. OK so if they do what you want, no problem for me. Enjoy the queues. I'll sail by them on my bike.[/p][/quote]PP/Hepworth you assume that all car drivers traveling in and out of the city complain about queues, it is part and parcel of ALL modern city life, when I travel to Leeds, Bradford, Huddersfield, Halifax etc. etc., I get stuck I traffic queues, but I don't complain because I have factored in the probability into my journey time. Sail past me on your bike as many times as you like, it's not a problem and in no way am I envious of you, particularly when it's cold, wet and windy, even when it's hot I have air conditioning. So please don't feel sorry for me as I am one of many drivers that is not complaining, what I do complain about is your attitude, Lendal Bridge is now being used for what it was built for, taking traffic across a river, let us look forward now to a council with some sense and ability to engage all parties and electorate alike in a solution to Yorks traffic problems that takes into account the needs of everyone and not the minority.[/p][/quote]Not sure which of us you are addressing, but I'll reply on my own behalf. I'll continue to enjoy my urban commute in the fast lane. Please continue to enjoy yours in the fat lane.......... pedalling paul
  • Score: -14192

9:05am Sat 12 Apr 14

krites says...

OK so Lendal Bridge is re-opened. So what is CYC now going to do to (a) enable a quick and reliable bus service to be run in the city, and (b) provide a safe, direct, and attractive route for pedestrians between the station and the Minster area?
OK so Lendal Bridge is re-opened. So what is CYC now going to do to (a) enable a quick and reliable bus service to be run in the city, and (b) provide a safe, direct, and attractive route for pedestrians between the station and the Minster area? krites
  • Score: 0

9:21am Sat 12 Apr 14

Caecilius says...

Igiveinthen wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
tobefair wrote:
Politicians of all persuasions please note.
Pedalling Paul may be very vociferous but he represents a small minority of the travelling population of this city.
DON'T MESS WITH THE MOTORISTS.
The silent majority will not stand for it.
Unfortunately is is that majority of car owners, many wanting but not all needing to access the same medieval street layout at the same time, who are contributing to the very problem that they complain about. The above attitude is what will drive York into eventual gridlock or congestion charging.
But.... I hear someone say......Councillors are elected to do what we want.

OK so if they do what you want, no problem for me. Enjoy the queues. I'll sail by them on my bike.
PP/Hepworth you assume that all car drivers traveling in and out of the city complain about queues, it is part and parcel of ALL modern city life, when I travel to Leeds, Bradford, Huddersfield, Halifax etc. etc., I get stuck I traffic queues, but I don't complain because I have factored in the probability into my journey time.
Sail past me on your bike as many times as you like, it's not a problem and in no way am I envious of you, particularly when it's cold, wet and windy, even when it's hot I have air conditioning.
So please don't feel sorry for me as I am one of many drivers that is not complaining, what I do complain about is your attitude, Lendal Bridge is now being used for what it was built for, taking traffic across a river, let us look forward now to a council with some sense and ability to engage all parties and electorate alike in a solution to Yorks traffic problems that takes into account the needs of everyone and not the minority.
Lendal Bridge was built in 1863. It wasn't built to accommodate an ever-increasing volume of cars, and still less was the medieval city. And the very last thing that York's car lobby want is a solution to the traffic problem they're causing that "takes into account the needs of everyone". They consider it to be an outrage if any concession is made to anyone's needs but theirs.

Unfortunately, a lot of drivers don't react to traffic jams with the same equanimity that you apparently achieve. Go take a look at Clifton Green, where, despite the notorious cycle lane having been removed at the insistence of motorists who didn't give a stuff about "the needs of everyone", the junction is still rammed with single-occupancy cars in the afternoon rush hour. Observe the drivers flouting the box junction and obstructing the road because they're not prepared to wait. If motorists simply sat and festered in their self-induced congestion, that would be entirely their affair. But many of them aren't prepared to accept either responsibility for the problem or its consequences - which they've now, for a second time, succeeded in offloading onto other people.
[quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tobefair[/bold] wrote: Politicians of all persuasions please note. Pedalling Paul may be very vociferous but he represents a small minority of the travelling population of this city. DON'T MESS WITH THE MOTORISTS. The silent majority will not stand for it.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately is is that majority of car owners, many wanting but not all needing to access the same medieval street layout at the same time, who are contributing to the very problem that they complain about. The above attitude is what will drive York into eventual gridlock or congestion charging. But.... I hear someone say......Councillors are elected to do what we want. OK so if they do what you want, no problem for me. Enjoy the queues. I'll sail by them on my bike.[/p][/quote]PP/Hepworth you assume that all car drivers traveling in and out of the city complain about queues, it is part and parcel of ALL modern city life, when I travel to Leeds, Bradford, Huddersfield, Halifax etc. etc., I get stuck I traffic queues, but I don't complain because I have factored in the probability into my journey time. Sail past me on your bike as many times as you like, it's not a problem and in no way am I envious of you, particularly when it's cold, wet and windy, even when it's hot I have air conditioning. So please don't feel sorry for me as I am one of many drivers that is not complaining, what I do complain about is your attitude, Lendal Bridge is now being used for what it was built for, taking traffic across a river, let us look forward now to a council with some sense and ability to engage all parties and electorate alike in a solution to Yorks traffic problems that takes into account the needs of everyone and not the minority.[/p][/quote]Lendal Bridge was built in 1863. It wasn't built to accommodate an ever-increasing volume of cars, and still less was the medieval city. And the very last thing that York's car lobby want is a solution to the traffic problem they're causing that "takes into account the needs of everyone". They consider it to be an outrage if any concession is made to anyone's needs but theirs. Unfortunately, a lot of drivers don't react to traffic jams with the same equanimity that you apparently achieve. Go take a look at Clifton Green, where, despite the notorious cycle lane having been removed at the insistence of motorists who didn't give a stuff about "the needs of everyone", the junction is still rammed with single-occupancy cars in the afternoon rush hour. Observe the drivers flouting the box junction and obstructing the road because they're not prepared to wait. If motorists simply sat and festered in their self-induced congestion, that would be entirely their affair. But many of them aren't prepared to accept either responsibility for the problem or its consequences - which they've now, for a second time, succeeded in offloading onto other people. Caecilius
  • Score: -9

9:34am Sat 12 Apr 14

thecairnman says...

Now the trial is over its time to put the leaders on trial for crimes against the city
Now the trial is over its time to put the leaders on trial for crimes against the city thecairnman
  • Score: -24

10:18am Sat 12 Apr 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Caecilius wrote:
Igiveinthen wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
tobefair wrote:
Politicians of all persuasions please note.
Pedalling Paul may be very vociferous but he represents a small minority of the travelling population of this city.
DON'T MESS WITH THE MOTORISTS.
The silent majority will not stand for it.
Unfortunately is is that majority of car owners, many wanting but not all needing to access the same medieval street layout at the same time, who are contributing to the very problem that they complain about. The above attitude is what will drive York into eventual gridlock or congestion charging.
But.... I hear someone say......Councillors are elected to do what we want.

OK so if they do what you want, no problem for me. Enjoy the queues. I'll sail by them on my bike.
PP/Hepworth you assume that all car drivers traveling in and out of the city complain about queues, it is part and parcel of ALL modern city life, when I travel to Leeds, Bradford, Huddersfield, Halifax etc. etc., I get stuck I traffic queues, but I don't complain because I have factored in the probability into my journey time.
Sail past me on your bike as many times as you like, it's not a problem and in no way am I envious of you, particularly when it's cold, wet and windy, even when it's hot I have air conditioning.
So please don't feel sorry for me as I am one of many drivers that is not complaining, what I do complain about is your attitude, Lendal Bridge is now being used for what it was built for, taking traffic across a river, let us look forward now to a council with some sense and ability to engage all parties and electorate alike in a solution to Yorks traffic problems that takes into account the needs of everyone and not the minority.
Lendal Bridge was built in 1863. It wasn't built to accommodate an ever-increasing volume of cars, and still less was the medieval city. And the very last thing that York's car lobby want is a solution to the traffic problem they're causing that "takes into account the needs of everyone". They consider it to be an outrage if any concession is made to anyone's needs but theirs.

Unfortunately, a lot of drivers don't react to traffic jams with the same equanimity that you apparently achieve. Go take a look at Clifton Green, where, despite the notorious cycle lane having been removed at the insistence of motorists who didn't give a stuff about "the needs of everyone", the junction is still rammed with single-occupancy cars in the afternoon rush hour. Observe the drivers flouting the box junction and obstructing the road because they're not prepared to wait. If motorists simply sat and festered in their self-induced congestion, that would be entirely their affair. But many of them aren't prepared to accept either responsibility for the problem or its consequences - which they've now, for a second time, succeeded in offloading onto other people.
The issue is and has always been about Lendal. I don't see anything that represents medieval York on that specific route on either side of the bridge, and please don't include the minster it is not on the route.

I don't recall ever seeing any posts that suggest we open the centre of Medieval York to a traffic free for all and would be as much apposed to that as anyone.

Your Comment:
And the very last thing that York's car lobby want is a solution to the traffic problem they're causing that "takes into account the needs of everyone".

That is exactly what the non-existent car lobby wants, a solution to the traffic problem that "take into account the needs of everyone". As for who is causing the traffic problems, traffic volume has not increased since 2005/6 (councils own numbers) and yet congestion and pollution have increased. Demonising drivers seems to be a flawed and weak argument that is steeped in sentiment rather than fact.

A new approach is required that reviews the actions taken over the last 10 years in traffic management that have probably (yet to be proven) had more of an adverse effect than a positive effect on traffic flows.

If anything the Lendal trial has proven one thing and that is single issue groups operating to ideological agendas will inevitably attract opposition, more so when the outcomes are flawed and non-beneficial.

Facts not sentiment, achievable, measurable benefits not desires, representative groups not single issue agendas.

Any solution needs to be investigated by people who do not have a vested interest in the historical traffic management. The defence of actions already implemented is always going to have an adverse effect on the implementation of genuinely beneficial proposals that may/should focus on traffic flow rather than restriction.

The alternative as already demonstrated is to keep attacking drivers, compressing and restricting traffic flow, it serves no purpose other than to manufacture congestion and increase emissions.

At the same time we should have a policy that encourages so called modal change, this needs to occur through opening up the currently used road space which occurs if traffic is not compressed and restricted to deliberately cause congestion.
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tobefair[/bold] wrote: Politicians of all persuasions please note. Pedalling Paul may be very vociferous but he represents a small minority of the travelling population of this city. DON'T MESS WITH THE MOTORISTS. The silent majority will not stand for it.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately is is that majority of car owners, many wanting but not all needing to access the same medieval street layout at the same time, who are contributing to the very problem that they complain about. The above attitude is what will drive York into eventual gridlock or congestion charging. But.... I hear someone say......Councillors are elected to do what we want. OK so if they do what you want, no problem for me. Enjoy the queues. I'll sail by them on my bike.[/p][/quote]PP/Hepworth you assume that all car drivers traveling in and out of the city complain about queues, it is part and parcel of ALL modern city life, when I travel to Leeds, Bradford, Huddersfield, Halifax etc. etc., I get stuck I traffic queues, but I don't complain because I have factored in the probability into my journey time. Sail past me on your bike as many times as you like, it's not a problem and in no way am I envious of you, particularly when it's cold, wet and windy, even when it's hot I have air conditioning. So please don't feel sorry for me as I am one of many drivers that is not complaining, what I do complain about is your attitude, Lendal Bridge is now being used for what it was built for, taking traffic across a river, let us look forward now to a council with some sense and ability to engage all parties and electorate alike in a solution to Yorks traffic problems that takes into account the needs of everyone and not the minority.[/p][/quote]Lendal Bridge was built in 1863. It wasn't built to accommodate an ever-increasing volume of cars, and still less was the medieval city. And the very last thing that York's car lobby want is a solution to the traffic problem they're causing that "takes into account the needs of everyone". They consider it to be an outrage if any concession is made to anyone's needs but theirs. Unfortunately, a lot of drivers don't react to traffic jams with the same equanimity that you apparently achieve. Go take a look at Clifton Green, where, despite the notorious cycle lane having been removed at the insistence of motorists who didn't give a stuff about "the needs of everyone", the junction is still rammed with single-occupancy cars in the afternoon rush hour. Observe the drivers flouting the box junction and obstructing the road because they're not prepared to wait. If motorists simply sat and festered in their self-induced congestion, that would be entirely their affair. But many of them aren't prepared to accept either responsibility for the problem or its consequences - which they've now, for a second time, succeeded in offloading onto other people.[/p][/quote]The issue is and has always been about Lendal. I don't see anything that represents medieval York on that specific route on either side of the bridge, and please don't include the minster it is not on the route. I don't recall ever seeing any posts that suggest we open the centre of Medieval York to a traffic free for all and would be as much apposed to that as anyone. Your Comment: And the very last thing that York's car lobby want is a solution to the traffic problem they're causing that "takes into account the needs of everyone". That is exactly what the non-existent car lobby wants, a solution to the traffic problem that "take into account the needs of everyone". As for who is causing the traffic problems, traffic volume has not increased since 2005/6 (councils own numbers) and yet congestion and pollution have increased. Demonising drivers seems to be a flawed and weak argument that is steeped in sentiment rather than fact. A new approach is required that reviews the actions taken over the last 10 years in traffic management that have probably (yet to be proven) had more of an adverse effect than a positive effect on traffic flows. If anything the Lendal trial has proven one thing and that is single issue groups operating to ideological agendas will inevitably attract opposition, more so when the outcomes are flawed and non-beneficial. Facts not sentiment, achievable, measurable benefits not desires, representative groups not single issue agendas. Any solution needs to be investigated by people who do not have a vested interest in the historical traffic management. The defence of actions already implemented is always going to have an adverse effect on the implementation of genuinely beneficial proposals that may/should focus on traffic flow rather than restriction. The alternative as already demonstrated is to keep attacking drivers, compressing and restricting traffic flow, it serves no purpose other than to manufacture congestion and increase emissions. At the same time we should have a policy that encourages so called modal change, this needs to occur through opening up the currently used road space which occurs if traffic is not compressed and restricted to deliberately cause congestion. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -29

10:33am Sat 12 Apr 14

Igiveinthen says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Igiveinthen wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
tobefair wrote:
Politicians of all persuasions please note.
Pedalling Paul may be very vociferous but he represents a small minority of the travelling population of this city.
DON'T MESS WITH THE MOTORISTS.
The silent majority will not stand for it.
Unfortunately is is that majority of car owners, many wanting but not all needing to access the same medieval street layout at the same time, who are contributing to the very problem that they complain about. The above attitude is what will drive York into eventual gridlock or congestion charging.
But.... I hear someone say......Councillors are elected to do what we want.

OK so if they do what you want, no problem for me. Enjoy the queues. I'll sail by them on my bike.
PP/Hepworth you assume that all car drivers traveling in and out of the city complain about queues, it is part and parcel of ALL modern city life, when I travel to Leeds, Bradford, Huddersfield, Halifax etc. etc., I get stuck I traffic queues, but I don't complain because I have factored in the probability into my journey time.
Sail past me on your bike as many times as you like, it's not a problem and in no way am I envious of you, particularly when it's cold, wet and windy, even when it's hot I have air conditioning.
So please don't feel sorry for me as I am one of many drivers that is not complaining, what I do complain about is your attitude, Lendal Bridge is now being used for what it was built for, taking traffic across a river, let us look forward now to a council with some sense and ability to engage all parties and electorate alike in a solution to Yorks traffic problems that takes into account the needs of everyone and not the minority.
Not sure which of us you are addressing, but I'll reply on my own behalf. I'll continue to enjoy my urban commute in the fast lane. Please continue to enjoy yours in the fat lane..........
PP/hepworth, again you assume all car drivers are fat, I have seen plenty of lard buckets on bikes, lets not cloud the issue as these comments so often do and get very personal.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tobefair[/bold] wrote: Politicians of all persuasions please note. Pedalling Paul may be very vociferous but he represents a small minority of the travelling population of this city. DON'T MESS WITH THE MOTORISTS. The silent majority will not stand for it.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately is is that majority of car owners, many wanting but not all needing to access the same medieval street layout at the same time, who are contributing to the very problem that they complain about. The above attitude is what will drive York into eventual gridlock or congestion charging. But.... I hear someone say......Councillors are elected to do what we want. OK so if they do what you want, no problem for me. Enjoy the queues. I'll sail by them on my bike.[/p][/quote]PP/Hepworth you assume that all car drivers traveling in and out of the city complain about queues, it is part and parcel of ALL modern city life, when I travel to Leeds, Bradford, Huddersfield, Halifax etc. etc., I get stuck I traffic queues, but I don't complain because I have factored in the probability into my journey time. Sail past me on your bike as many times as you like, it's not a problem and in no way am I envious of you, particularly when it's cold, wet and windy, even when it's hot I have air conditioning. So please don't feel sorry for me as I am one of many drivers that is not complaining, what I do complain about is your attitude, Lendal Bridge is now being used for what it was built for, taking traffic across a river, let us look forward now to a council with some sense and ability to engage all parties and electorate alike in a solution to Yorks traffic problems that takes into account the needs of everyone and not the minority.[/p][/quote]Not sure which of us you are addressing, but I'll reply on my own behalf. I'll continue to enjoy my urban commute in the fast lane. Please continue to enjoy yours in the fat lane..........[/p][/quote]PP/hepworth, again you assume all car drivers are fat, I have seen plenty of lard buckets on bikes, lets not cloud the issue as these comments so often do and get very personal. Igiveinthen
  • Score: -64

10:41am Sat 12 Apr 14

Igiveinthen says...

Caecilius wrote:
Igiveinthen wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
tobefair wrote:
Politicians of all persuasions please note.
Pedalling Paul may be very vociferous but he represents a small minority of the travelling population of this city.
DON'T MESS WITH THE MOTORISTS.
The silent majority will not stand for it.
Unfortunately is is that majority of car owners, many wanting but not all needing to access the same medieval street layout at the same time, who are contributing to the very problem that they complain about. The above attitude is what will drive York into eventual gridlock or congestion charging.
But.... I hear someone say......Councillors are elected to do what we want.

OK so if they do what you want, no problem for me. Enjoy the queues. I'll sail by them on my bike.
PP/Hepworth you assume that all car drivers traveling in and out of the city complain about queues, it is part and parcel of ALL modern city life, when I travel to Leeds, Bradford, Huddersfield, Halifax etc. etc., I get stuck I traffic queues, but I don't complain because I have factored in the probability into my journey time.
Sail past me on your bike as many times as you like, it's not a problem and in no way am I envious of you, particularly when it's cold, wet and windy, even when it's hot I have air conditioning.
So please don't feel sorry for me as I am one of many drivers that is not complaining, what I do complain about is your attitude, Lendal Bridge is now being used for what it was built for, taking traffic across a river, let us look forward now to a council with some sense and ability to engage all parties and electorate alike in a solution to Yorks traffic problems that takes into account the needs of everyone and not the minority.
Lendal Bridge was built in 1863. It wasn't built to accommodate an ever-increasing volume of cars, and still less was the medieval city. And the very last thing that York's car lobby want is a solution to the traffic problem they're causing that "takes into account the needs of everyone". They consider it to be an outrage if any concession is made to anyone's needs but theirs.

Unfortunately, a lot of drivers don't react to traffic jams with the same equanimity that you apparently achieve. Go take a look at Clifton Green, where, despite the notorious cycle lane having been removed at the insistence of motorists who didn't give a stuff about "the needs of everyone", the junction is still rammed with single-occupancy cars in the afternoon rush hour. Observe the drivers flouting the box junction and obstructing the road because they're not prepared to wait. If motorists simply sat and festered in their self-induced congestion, that would be entirely their affair. But many of them aren't prepared to accept either responsibility for the problem or its consequences - which they've now, for a second time, succeeded in offloading onto other people.
Excuse me, a bridge is built to take traffic, it's not for the use of selected users as you and pp/Hepworth seem to want it to be, read my comment......Lendal Bridge is now being used for what it was built for, taking traffic across a river, let us look forward now to a council with some sense and ability to engage all parties and electorate alike in a solution to Yorks traffic problems that takes into account the needs of everyone and not the minority..........it
's about time you thought about the needs of carers, patient buses, delivery vans, work related vans, all of which when working in the city need access across the bridges that were built to cross the river, try thinking of others and not yourself, you never know you might find that life is better for you.
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tobefair[/bold] wrote: Politicians of all persuasions please note. Pedalling Paul may be very vociferous but he represents a small minority of the travelling population of this city. DON'T MESS WITH THE MOTORISTS. The silent majority will not stand for it.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately is is that majority of car owners, many wanting but not all needing to access the same medieval street layout at the same time, who are contributing to the very problem that they complain about. The above attitude is what will drive York into eventual gridlock or congestion charging. But.... I hear someone say......Councillors are elected to do what we want. OK so if they do what you want, no problem for me. Enjoy the queues. I'll sail by them on my bike.[/p][/quote]PP/Hepworth you assume that all car drivers traveling in and out of the city complain about queues, it is part and parcel of ALL modern city life, when I travel to Leeds, Bradford, Huddersfield, Halifax etc. etc., I get stuck I traffic queues, but I don't complain because I have factored in the probability into my journey time. Sail past me on your bike as many times as you like, it's not a problem and in no way am I envious of you, particularly when it's cold, wet and windy, even when it's hot I have air conditioning. So please don't feel sorry for me as I am one of many drivers that is not complaining, what I do complain about is your attitude, Lendal Bridge is now being used for what it was built for, taking traffic across a river, let us look forward now to a council with some sense and ability to engage all parties and electorate alike in a solution to Yorks traffic problems that takes into account the needs of everyone and not the minority.[/p][/quote]Lendal Bridge was built in 1863. It wasn't built to accommodate an ever-increasing volume of cars, and still less was the medieval city. And the very last thing that York's car lobby want is a solution to the traffic problem they're causing that "takes into account the needs of everyone". They consider it to be an outrage if any concession is made to anyone's needs but theirs. Unfortunately, a lot of drivers don't react to traffic jams with the same equanimity that you apparently achieve. Go take a look at Clifton Green, where, despite the notorious cycle lane having been removed at the insistence of motorists who didn't give a stuff about "the needs of everyone", the junction is still rammed with single-occupancy cars in the afternoon rush hour. Observe the drivers flouting the box junction and obstructing the road because they're not prepared to wait. If motorists simply sat and festered in their self-induced congestion, that would be entirely their affair. But many of them aren't prepared to accept either responsibility for the problem or its consequences - which they've now, for a second time, succeeded in offloading onto other people.[/p][/quote]Excuse me, a bridge is built to take traffic, it's not for the use of selected users as you and pp/Hepworth seem to want it to be, read my comment......Lendal Bridge is now being used for what it was built for, taking traffic across a river, let us look forward now to a council with some sense and ability to engage all parties and electorate alike in a solution to Yorks traffic problems that takes into account the needs of everyone and not the minority..........it 's about time you thought about the needs of carers, patient buses, delivery vans, work related vans, all of which when working in the city need access across the bridges that were built to cross the river, try thinking of others and not yourself, you never know you might find that life is better for you. Igiveinthen
  • Score: -52

2:06pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

jay, york wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Go on Press, wring this this story out like a slightly moist towel, I'm sure a few more drops in there... Have to admit without a bridge story today it all looked a bit parochial and dull didn't it? Who's next to step up and provide the column inches?
Seems to be an awful lot of bittterness in your comments buzz - wonder why that should be?????. Are your pals having a play day today?????
But please dont worry - Lendal Bodge is not the first example of CoYCincompetance - and will not be the last. I am sure we will all have plenty to say going forward - and then you are your mates can respond in your usual unprofessional manner and adjust scores to look as though your have support, when you dont.
Lets look at 20mph zones - someone almost ran into the back of be yesterday in a village near York. I obeyed the 20 limit and slowed even more when a vehicle ahead was pulling out - unfortunatley the idiot behind me did not even see this. He almost ran into the back of me - and then attempted to pass me on the inside.to avoid a collision. Who was this idiot?? Yes a cyclist wearing a fleece that would suggest he belongs to a loal cycling club. I am NOT anti cyclist but. idiots like them do them no favours.............

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Think you've got me mistaken for someone else.

There's no bitterness in a simple observation. Yesterday's Press seemed dull and anodyne without a big inflammatory issue to get everyone at each other's throats.

In fact, your ranty post above makes you seem a lot more bitter than most. So bitter that you don't even understand my stance on the bridge closure.

And it's rude to go around chucking false accusations at people.

Have some decorum.
[quote][p][bold]jay, york[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Go on Press, wring this this story out like a slightly moist towel, I'm sure a few more drops in there... Have to admit without a bridge story today it all looked a bit parochial and dull didn't it? Who's next to step up and provide the column inches?[/p][/quote]Seems to be an awful lot of bittterness in your comments buzz - wonder why that should be?????. Are your pals having a play day today????? But please dont worry - Lendal Bodge is not the first example of CoYCincompetance - and will not be the last. I am sure we will all have plenty to say going forward - and then you are your mates can respond in your usual unprofessional manner and adjust scores to look as though your have support, when you dont. Lets look at 20mph zones - someone almost ran into the back of be yesterday in a village near York. I obeyed the 20 limit and slowed even more when a vehicle ahead was pulling out - unfortunatley the idiot behind me did not even see this. He almost ran into the back of me - and then attempted to pass me on the inside.to avoid a collision. Who was this idiot?? Yes a cyclist wearing a fleece that would suggest he belongs to a loal cycling club. I am NOT anti cyclist but. idiots like them do them no favours............. ..[/p][/quote]Think you've got me mistaken for someone else. There's no bitterness in a simple observation. Yesterday's Press seemed dull and anodyne without a big inflammatory issue to get everyone at each other's throats. In fact, your ranty post above makes you seem a lot more bitter than most. So bitter that you don't even understand my stance on the bridge closure. And it's rude to go around chucking false accusations at people. Have some decorum. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 50

5:54pm Sat 12 Apr 14

jake777 says...

ouseswimmer wrote:
I went over at 4pm today. Plenty of cars using it then. Now why has Coppergate not been changed?
just shows you have no brain its been like it for 50yrs.
[quote][p][bold]ouseswimmer[/bold] wrote: I went over at 4pm today. Plenty of cars using it then. Now why has Coppergate not been changed?[/p][/quote]just shows you have no brain its been like it for 50yrs. jake777
  • Score: 34

7:16pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Igiveinthen says...

jake777 wrote:
ouseswimmer wrote:
I went over at 4pm today. Plenty of cars using it then. Now why has Coppergate not been changed?
just shows you have no brain its been like it for 50yrs.
Your brother Justin7 woke up and wrote a comment..........Lot
s of tourists all clogging up the bridge this morning, with fumes making it hard to breath for locals crossing it on bike and foot. That's our carbon footprint back up to stupid proportions. Bravo Tories, bravo. Ban all motor vehicles from York. Think of the planet. Vote Green!.........now it looks like you've woken up as well, so as I told him you must keep taking your medication, you know it makes you feel better.
[quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ouseswimmer[/bold] wrote: I went over at 4pm today. Plenty of cars using it then. Now why has Coppergate not been changed?[/p][/quote]just shows you have no brain its been like it for 50yrs.[/p][/quote]Your brother Justin7 woke up and wrote a comment..........Lot s of tourists all clogging up the bridge this morning, with fumes making it hard to breath for locals crossing it on bike and foot. That's our carbon footprint back up to stupid proportions. Bravo Tories, bravo. Ban all motor vehicles from York. Think of the planet. Vote Green!.........now it looks like you've woken up as well, so as I told him you must keep taking your medication, you know it makes you feel better. Igiveinthen
  • Score: -44

11:10pm Sat 12 Apr 14

bolero says...

pedalling paul wrote:
bolero wrote:
Some bright Labour Councillor said it should be abandoned because otherwise to continue would lose labour the 2015 election. Wake up sonny boy, you'd already lost it from the outset plus the other wasteful schemes like Kings Square and unwanted, unused cycle tracks and so we could go on. But more particularly, because of your useless clown of a leader.
Unused cycle tracks........not the A1237 again....! How many more times..it
awaits a new bridge span across the Leeds-Scarborough railway line, and is not due to open until summer. Funding courtesy of the Government's Local Sustainable Transport Fund, not CoYC Council Tax payers. Get your facts right before putting finger to keyboard.
I didn't mention the A1237. There are others all over the place. You shouldn't be cycling with defective eyesight you know. Try Specsavers.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: Some bright Labour Councillor said it should be abandoned because otherwise to continue would lose labour the 2015 election. Wake up sonny boy, you'd already lost it from the outset plus the other wasteful schemes like Kings Square and unwanted, unused cycle tracks and so we could go on. But more particularly, because of your useless clown of a leader.[/p][/quote]Unused cycle tracks........not the A1237 again....! How many more times..it awaits a new bridge span across the Leeds-Scarborough railway line, and is not due to open until summer. Funding courtesy of the Government's Local Sustainable Transport Fund, not CoYC Council Tax payers. Get your facts right before putting finger to keyboard.[/p][/quote]I didn't mention the A1237. There are others all over the place. You shouldn't be cycling with defective eyesight you know. Try Specsavers. bolero
  • Score: -309

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