North Yorkshire Police to allow business experts to apply for senior roles

York Press: North Yorkshire Police to allow business experts to apply for senior roles North Yorkshire Police to allow business experts to apply for senior roles

A SCHEME which allows business executives to replace senior police officers has been adopted by North Yorkshire Police.

The direct entry initiative was introduced by the Government last year to allow members of the private or commercial sector to join the police force in senior positions without any policing experience.

Last month, Chief Constable Dave Jones told The Press decisions were in the early stages, and direct entry was one of several initiatives being considered by the force, but yesterday, North Yorkshire Police was announced as one of six forces around the country to take on the scheme - with direct entry announced for two superintendent roles.

Chief Constable Dave Jones said changes to the scheme had overcome his concerns about the idea, which would mean a wider talent pool to apply for high-ranking officer roles.

Mr Jones said: “Despite my initial reservations which were informed by basic details around the scheme I have had the opportunity over the last six months to discuss in detail with colleagues both within North Yorkshire Police and wider police service, and this has lead to us being able to influence the proposals so that the scheme now has a very vigorous selection process and the 18 month training requires a robust operational element, which is now pass/fail has influenced my current position.

“Particularly as I believe these developments have mitigated my main concern around operational competence. It is also reassuring that the ultimate decision for employing people onto the scheme is a matter for the Chief Constable. I have always supported the opening up of the service to new talent and ideas so look forward to the scheme delivering what will need to be exceptional individuals and there by enhancing our services to the public.”

Last month, Mike Stubbs, the secretary of North Yorkshire Police Federation, called the direct entry scheme "unproven and expensive", and said consequences could be "grave" if the scheme did not work well.

Today, Mark Botham from NYPF said he was concerned that the scheme had lured forces to take part with financial benefits which would not last forever, but the Federation was open to ideas which could help provide good service.

He said: "Anything which helps us deliver a better service to the public and does not compromise the health, safety and welfare of our members in doing so is supported by us.

"We are not convinced about direct entry. We know many of our members have directly transferable skills to use in the private sector but it is not axiomatic that the converse is true. We can all learn from each other but we worry this is a further government gimmick which forces are taking up because at present it is funded. Will there be a robust transparent independent evaluation? What happens when the central funding runs out?"

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1:20pm Fri 11 Apr 14

MouseHouse says...

Very worrying indeed. Policing is NOT a business nor a profit making exercise. Policing is about service, providing assistance to those in need, crime prevention and crime detection.

Business people are, generally speaking, corner cutters, seeking the cheapest way to achieve objectives by way of cutting services and employment conditions.

Business people have no role in public services, they have plenty of other areas to work in, such as supplying shampoo, paving slabs and cat food. They have no role in public services.
Very worrying indeed. Policing is NOT a business nor a profit making exercise. Policing is about service, providing assistance to those in need, crime prevention and crime detection. Business people are, generally speaking, corner cutters, seeking the cheapest way to achieve objectives by way of cutting services and employment conditions. Business people have no role in public services, they have plenty of other areas to work in, such as supplying shampoo, paving slabs and cat food. They have no role in public services. MouseHouse
  • Score: 15

1:57pm Fri 11 Apr 14

ian923 says...

Big U turn by the Chief Constable.Has he been influenced by the PCC?
A direct entry Superintendent will have NO police experience so will not be able to command the respect of lower ranks who have it.His level of decision making will involve lives and if he gets one wrong there will be a furore.The Police College has jumped on this bandwagon and when you consider the number of Chief Officers it has produced that are brainless, terrified of criticism and dishonest it has to be time the College was scrapped.
Big U turn by the Chief Constable.Has he been influenced by the PCC? A direct entry Superintendent will have NO police experience so will not be able to command the respect of lower ranks who have it.His level of decision making will involve lives and if he gets one wrong there will be a furore.The Police College has jumped on this bandwagon and when you consider the number of Chief Officers it has produced that are brainless, terrified of criticism and dishonest it has to be time the College was scrapped. ian923
  • Score: 13

2:17pm Fri 11 Apr 14

BioLogic says...

MouseHouse wrote:
Very worrying indeed. Policing is NOT a business nor a profit making exercise. Policing is about service, providing assistance to those in need, crime prevention and crime detection.

Business people are, generally speaking, corner cutters, seeking the cheapest way to achieve objectives by way of cutting services and employment conditions.

Business people have no role in public services, they have plenty of other areas to work in, such as supplying shampoo, paving slabs and cat food. They have no role in public services.
Very valid arguments, but there is a flip side. In reality senior ranks do far less policing and much more 'managing' than they ever used to.

NYP is notorious for bad management, as all senior ranks have come up from being a lowly constable and have no proper experience of managing a large organisation. This results in really poor management staff, no other organisation the size of NYP would ever be run by senior management staff that have only ever worked in the same organisation.

Admittedly it has to be done right, but simply put at senior rank level it is easier to teach good business managers how to be police officers rather than teach police officers to be business managers.
[quote][p][bold]MouseHouse[/bold] wrote: Very worrying indeed. Policing is NOT a business nor a profit making exercise. Policing is about service, providing assistance to those in need, crime prevention and crime detection. Business people are, generally speaking, corner cutters, seeking the cheapest way to achieve objectives by way of cutting services and employment conditions. Business people have no role in public services, they have plenty of other areas to work in, such as supplying shampoo, paving slabs and cat food. They have no role in public services.[/p][/quote]Very valid arguments, but there is a flip side. In reality senior ranks do far less policing and much more 'managing' than they ever used to. NYP is notorious for bad management, as all senior ranks have come up from being a lowly constable and have no proper experience of managing a large organisation. This results in really poor management staff, no other organisation the size of NYP would ever be run by senior management staff that have only ever worked in the same organisation. Admittedly it has to be done right, but simply put at senior rank level it is easier to teach good business managers how to be police officers rather than teach police officers to be business managers. BioLogic
  • Score: 1

2:24pm Fri 11 Apr 14

eeoodares says...

MouseHouse wrote:
Very worrying indeed. Policing is NOT a business nor a profit making exercise. Policing is about service, providing assistance to those in need, crime prevention and crime detection.

Business people are, generally speaking, corner cutters, seeking the cheapest way to achieve objectives by way of cutting services and employment conditions.

Business people have no role in public services, they have plenty of other areas to work in, such as supplying shampoo, paving slabs and cat food. They have no role in public services.
You must be a huge fan of poor service, budget irresponsibility and a lack of accountability.

You can always get shampoo, paving slabs and cat food....but not a Policeman! Maybe we need a change???
[quote][p][bold]MouseHouse[/bold] wrote: Very worrying indeed. Policing is NOT a business nor a profit making exercise. Policing is about service, providing assistance to those in need, crime prevention and crime detection. Business people are, generally speaking, corner cutters, seeking the cheapest way to achieve objectives by way of cutting services and employment conditions. Business people have no role in public services, they have plenty of other areas to work in, such as supplying shampoo, paving slabs and cat food. They have no role in public services.[/p][/quote]You must be a huge fan of poor service, budget irresponsibility and a lack of accountability. You can always get shampoo, paving slabs and cat food....but not a Policeman! Maybe we need a change??? eeoodares
  • Score: -2

2:59pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Fat Harry says...

Another big step forward for the lunatics' asylum takeover.
Another big step forward for the lunatics' asylum takeover. Fat Harry
  • Score: 8

4:24pm Fri 11 Apr 14

TheTruthHurts says...

MouseHouse wrote:
Very worrying indeed. Policing is NOT a business nor a profit making exercise. Policing is about service, providing assistance to those in need, crime prevention and crime detection.

Business people are, generally speaking, corner cutters, seeking the cheapest way to achieve objectives by way of cutting services and employment conditions.

Business people have no role in public services, they have plenty of other areas to work in, such as supplying shampoo, paving slabs and cat food. They have no role in public services.
Lol bit of melodrama their.

I for one think there is a place in our public services for business minded people. Why not? Surely the wider experience the better at executive level.

Public services should be ran more like businesses.
[quote][p][bold]MouseHouse[/bold] wrote: Very worrying indeed. Policing is NOT a business nor a profit making exercise. Policing is about service, providing assistance to those in need, crime prevention and crime detection. Business people are, generally speaking, corner cutters, seeking the cheapest way to achieve objectives by way of cutting services and employment conditions. Business people have no role in public services, they have plenty of other areas to work in, such as supplying shampoo, paving slabs and cat food. They have no role in public services.[/p][/quote]Lol bit of melodrama their. I for one think there is a place in our public services for business minded people. Why not? Surely the wider experience the better at executive level. Public services should be ran more like businesses. TheTruthHurts
  • Score: -11

10:35pm Fri 11 Apr 14

MouseHouse says...

eeoodares wrote:
MouseHouse wrote:
Very worrying indeed. Policing is NOT a business nor a profit making exercise. Policing is about service, providing assistance to those in need, crime prevention and crime detection.

Business people are, generally speaking, corner cutters, seeking the cheapest way to achieve objectives by way of cutting services and employment conditions.

Business people have no role in public services, they have plenty of other areas to work in, such as supplying shampoo, paving slabs and cat food. They have no role in public services.
You must be a huge fan of poor service, budget irresponsibility and a lack of accountability.

You can always get shampoo, paving slabs and cat food....but not a Policeman! Maybe we need a change???
"poor service, budget irresponsibility and a lack of accountability" I assume you mean the banks. Those big businesses that took this country to the edge, aided and abetted by the big accountancy firms and business consultancies. Then again maybe it's those wholly unaccountable energy companies you refer to. Poor service...now is that BT you refer to or is it one of the jokers that run the privatised parts of our rail system? Maybe it's those honest folk at Amazon and Starbucks etc. that work the tax system in a way that end up with the public paying more as they ahem "manage" their way out of shouldering a fair share of the burden. Business people, in particular Boards of Directors, have a legal responsibility to put the needs of shareholders first. That is a mindset they have, I see no evidence to show they can make the leap to a world of service. Policing is too important to become a test area for these people to foul up.

I'm mellowing a bit, business people can do all they want with the bits that don't matter too much...cat food, paving slabs, hammers, bicycle pumps, lawn mowers, gravy boats, pencils, wicker baskets and radiators etc. but please let's get the word 'service' back into the public realm.
[quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MouseHouse[/bold] wrote: Very worrying indeed. Policing is NOT a business nor a profit making exercise. Policing is about service, providing assistance to those in need, crime prevention and crime detection. Business people are, generally speaking, corner cutters, seeking the cheapest way to achieve objectives by way of cutting services and employment conditions. Business people have no role in public services, they have plenty of other areas to work in, such as supplying shampoo, paving slabs and cat food. They have no role in public services.[/p][/quote]You must be a huge fan of poor service, budget irresponsibility and a lack of accountability. You can always get shampoo, paving slabs and cat food....but not a Policeman! Maybe we need a change???[/p][/quote]"poor service, budget irresponsibility and a lack of accountability" I assume you mean the banks. Those big businesses that took this country to the edge, aided and abetted by the big accountancy firms and business consultancies. Then again maybe it's those wholly unaccountable energy companies you refer to. Poor service...now is that BT you refer to or is it one of the jokers that run the privatised parts of our rail system? Maybe it's those honest folk at Amazon and Starbucks etc. that work the tax system in a way that end up with the public paying more as they ahem "manage" their way out of shouldering a fair share of the burden. Business people, in particular Boards of Directors, have a legal responsibility to put the needs of shareholders first. That is a mindset they have, I see no evidence to show they can make the leap to a world of service. Policing is too important to become a test area for these people to foul up. I'm mellowing a bit, business people can do all they want with the bits that don't matter too much...cat food, paving slabs, hammers, bicycle pumps, lawn mowers, gravy boats, pencils, wicker baskets and radiators etc. but please let's get the word 'service' back into the public realm. MouseHouse
  • Score: 2

8:13am Sat 12 Apr 14

Bonnie Clyde says...

Could anything be worse than the current management of Jimmy Savile's favourite police force?

Its chief officers, past and present, are embroiled in incessant corruption allegations, none of which they are denying.

They "failed to notice" a very active paedophile ring operating under their noses for 50 years.

Police cars and chauffeurs were used to take Savile to events involving children, when North Yorkshire Police were fully aware he
was under investigation for child abuse by other forces.

They are evading Lord Maginnis' calls in Parliament for an investigation into that "dubious constabulary".

North Yorkshire police urgently needs people of integrity and determination to clean up that dysfunctional force. Where does one find a person with those attributes in the police?
Could anything be worse than the current management of Jimmy Savile's favourite police force? Its chief officers, past and present, are embroiled in incessant corruption allegations, none of which they are denying. They "failed to notice" a very active paedophile ring operating under their noses for 50 years. Police cars and chauffeurs were used to take Savile to events involving children, when North Yorkshire Police were fully aware he was under investigation for child abuse by other forces. They are evading Lord Maginnis' calls in Parliament for an investigation into that "dubious constabulary". North Yorkshire police urgently needs people of integrity and determination to clean up that dysfunctional force. Where does one find a person with those attributes in the police? Bonnie Clyde
  • Score: 3

4:34pm Sat 12 Apr 14

spottycow says...

THE BEST COPPERS IN MY VIEW ARE THOSE THAT START AT THE BOTTOM AND GRAFT UP THE LADDER NOT PAPER PUSHERS WHO RUN AWAY FROM THE FIRST SIGN OF TROUBLE
THE BEST COPPERS IN MY VIEW ARE THOSE THAT START AT THE BOTTOM AND GRAFT UP THE LADDER NOT PAPER PUSHERS WHO RUN AWAY FROM THE FIRST SIGN OF TROUBLE spottycow
  • Score: 1

5:49am Sat 19 Apr 14

Bonnie Clyde says...

The best coppers are honest ones that uphold the law.

Where do you find one like that in North Yorkshire?
The best coppers are honest ones that uphold the law. Where do you find one like that in North Yorkshire? Bonnie Clyde
  • Score: 1

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