Lendal Bridge traffic ban is axed

York Press: Lendal Bridge will reopen fully this weekend Lendal Bridge will reopen fully this weekend

YORK'S controversial Lendal Bridge traffic ban is to be axed, following a crunch vote by ruling councillors - and the route will reopen fully this weekend.

City of York Council's Labour group met last night to decide the future of the restrictions following a Government traffic expert's judgement last week that the authority did not have the power to impose fines.

A vote was taken in favour of ending the trial and the restrictions will be lifted from Saturday. 

Labour last night stood by its policy of introducing the six-month trial last August, claiming it had brought a string of benefits to the city, but a different way of dealing with York's congestion problems now had to be found

However, opposition groups have accused Labour of an "embarrassing U-turn" and only changing their minds because of the potential political fallout. They have also called for council leader James Alexander and the city's transport boss, Coun Dave Merrett, to quit.

Coun Alexander said the "principle" of the Lendal Bridge trial was correct and the council followed the correct legal procedures. He said the council had gathered "valuable information" about traffic flows, bus reliability had improved and passenger numbers had increased.

He said footfall and hotel bookings in the city had also risen while pollution had fallen, but added: "It is, however, clear the trial has been polarising and we need greater consensus among residents and businesses over measures required to tackle congestion in our city.

"We have listened to businesses and the public alike and I am therefore announcing that, after seeing results from the trial and these results being debated among my colleagues, I have asked the council's chief executive to lift the restriction from Saturday through the appropriate procedure."

Coun Alexander said "doing nothing is not an option" on congestion and it needed "tough decisions" to be made. He said an independently-chaired cross-party commission will be formed to "take a long, hard look at the data from this trial and to come up with more consensual suggestions as to how we tackle the great challenge of congestion in this city."

Tweeting his request to the council's chief executive, Kersten England, for the restrictions to be lifted, Coun Alexander wrote: "We've listened."

Coun Merrett, cabinet member for transport - who has been under pressure since traffic adjudicator Stephen Knapp's judgement a week ago - said transport schemes could often be "complex and controversial", and said: "The decision to reopen the restriction in light of the public feedback shows why we were right to undertake a trial rather than seeking to move straight to permanent implementation."

Conservative leader Coun Chris Steward said: "It is better late than never that Labour has finally ended this terrible closure - sadly, it seems it was the threat of Labour councillors losing their seats and discontent in the Labour group, as well as the pressure of a public full council meeting that we called for, which did it, rather than the problems of the closure itself.

"There is now much to resolve on fines to date and the damage the trial has done to York's reputation. Dave Merrett and James Alexander should now finally apologise and resign."

Coun Keith Aspden, who leads the Liberal Democrat group, said Labour had been left with "no choice" but to reopen Lendal Bridge following the adjudicator's report. but said: "Even so, this is an embarrassing U-turn from a Labour cabinet which has insisted all along that the closure is lawful and the restrictions were working.

"It was a botched trial from the start which has made congestion worse and damaged local businesses. It is now time for Coun Merrett and Coun Alexander to take responsibility and resign. We also need urgent answers over whether the council will continue to use taxpayers' money to fund its legal battle and whether it plans to repay the motorists who were fined unlawfully."

Earlier today, Labour sources told The Press the group was split on the issue of the Lendal Bridge scheme and many were fearful of the political damage it was doing to the party, with one councillor saying: "If we continue with this, we will lose the next election". Its members were allowed to vote freely on the issue last night.

Mr Knapp, of the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, said neither Lendal Bridge nor Coppergate, where traffic restrictions have also been introduced and will remain in force, could be “sensibly” classed as bus lanes and this meant penalty charge notices (PCNs) should not have been issued. The council has since sought legal advice from a QC and has said it is confident both schemes are “within the law”, with an appeal likely.

It has continued to record any breaches of the restrictions and urged drivers to obey them, originally saying PCNs could be issued at a later date. However, the authority later confirmed any legal process could take up to three months to resolve, and traffic fines must be issued within 28 days of an offence.

More than 53,000 drivers were fined during the six-month bridge trial, which ended on February 27, although the restrictions remained ahead of a meeting of the Labour cabinet on May 6 which had been due to discuss whether to continue or abandon the trial before Mr Knapp’s judgement emerged. Almost 10,000 PCNs were issued in Coppergate between the end of September and the end of February.

 

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4:56pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Overproof says...

Praise be.
Lets hope that the traffic ban is overturned and we can put all of this behind us.
Praise be. Lets hope that the traffic ban is overturned and we can put all of this behind us. Overproof
  • Score: 12446

4:58pm Tue 8 Apr 14

acomblass says...

To the councillor who is worried about losing his seat at the next election - do not worry you have lost it already.
To the councillor who is worried about losing his seat at the next election - do not worry you have lost it already. acomblass
  • Score: 1898

5:02pm Tue 8 Apr 14

vax2002 says...

Simple vote.
They have been told by the countries highest legal authority the Fines are ILLEGAL.
The vote now is to see who honours the OATH they took as councillors to act within the law or vote to stand in treason of that oath and the common law.

Two choices, Treason or the Law.

Lets see who thinks they are above the law tonight.
Simple vote. They have been told by the countries highest legal authority the Fines are ILLEGAL. The vote now is to see who honours the OATH they took as councillors to act within the law or vote to stand in treason of that oath and the common law. Two choices, Treason or the Law. Lets see who thinks they are above the law tonight. vax2002
  • Score: 943

5:02pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

One councillor, who did not wish to be named, said: “If we continue with this, we will lose the next election”.


Labour will lose the next council election, irrespective of this vote.

Alexander, Merrett and Simpson-Laing have made them unelectable !
[quote] One councillor, who did not wish to be named, said: “If we continue with this, we will lose the next election”. [/quote] Labour will lose the next council election, irrespective of this vote. Alexander, Merrett and Simpson-Laing have made them unelectable ! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -726

5:05pm Tue 8 Apr 14

bill bailey says...

acomblass wrote:
To the councillor who is worried about losing his seat at the next election - do not worry you have lost it already.
YES YOUR SPOT ON, ITS THE MONEY THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT,
The ex-pound shop till operator Alexander, is well qualified to get a till job at Lewis Monk cross..
[quote][p][bold]acomblass[/bold] wrote: To the councillor who is worried about losing his seat at the next election - do not worry you have lost it already.[/p][/quote]YES YOUR SPOT ON, ITS THE MONEY THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT, The ex-pound shop till operator Alexander, is well qualified to get a till job at Lewis Monk cross.. bill bailey
  • Score: -216

5:09pm Tue 8 Apr 14

nowthen says...

However, Labour sources say many of their councillors are now concerned about the political damage the controversy is inflicting on the party and want to see the scheme scrapped. .... so none of them are concerned about the damage it's done to York's reputation !!!! The party comes first , then councillor's careers and a poor third York's residents.
However, Labour sources say many of their councillors are now concerned about the political damage the controversy is inflicting on the party and want to see the scheme scrapped. .... so none of them are concerned about the damage it's done to York's reputation !!!! The party comes first , then councillor's careers and a poor third York's residents. nowthen
  • Score: -474

5:09pm Tue 8 Apr 14

gritheworth says...

Rather late.
Rather late. gritheworth
  • Score: -141

5:10pm Tue 8 Apr 14

zorpie says...

James Alexander should resign in disgrace. Neither he nor his cabinet understand transport.
James Alexander should resign in disgrace. Neither he nor his cabinet understand transport. zorpie
  • Score: -163

5:15pm Tue 8 Apr 14

DB Bowman says...

acomblass wrote:
To the councillor who is worried about losing his seat at the next election - do not worry you have lost it already.
Just wait until next May, when the people of York retreat into the arms of the Liberal Democrats, apologizing for ever having left them. And then run right back into Labour's arms in 2019. And then the Lib Dems again in 2023...
[quote][p][bold]acomblass[/bold] wrote: To the councillor who is worried about losing his seat at the next election - do not worry you have lost it already.[/p][/quote]Just wait until next May, when the people of York retreat into the arms of the Liberal Democrats, apologizing for ever having left them. And then run right back into Labour's arms in 2019. And then the Lib Dems again in 2023... DB Bowman
  • Score: -131

5:26pm Tue 8 Apr 14

bolero says...

Doesn't make any difference. You've lost the next election already. And don't let the Lib Dems get excited. We remember you well.
Doesn't make any difference. You've lost the next election already. And don't let the Lib Dems get excited. We remember you well. bolero
  • Score: 436

5:32pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Caecilius says...

Those councillors thinking of voting to end the ban - grow a pair! You believed it was the right thing to do when you supported it originally, one presumes, unless you were no more than ventriloquist's dummies toeing the party line because Alexander told you to. In that case, try doing what's right, instead of rolling over and appeasing the wailing car driver lobby yet again in the hope of clinging on to your seats.
Those councillors thinking of voting to end the ban - grow a pair! You believed it was the right thing to do when you supported it originally, one presumes, unless you were no more than ventriloquist's dummies toeing the party line because Alexander told you to. In that case, try doing what's right, instead of rolling over and appeasing the wailing car driver lobby yet again in the hope of clinging on to your seats. Caecilius
  • Score: -2132

5:33pm Tue 8 Apr 14

acomblass says...

If the Party is split then can we expect to see a breakaway Labour Group? After they have voted on the Lendal Bridge issue perhaps they should hold a mirror to themselves and resign en masse thus opening the way for councillors of all parties whose first interest is York and its citizens (not London paymasters and dogma) to form a coalition.
If the Party is split then can we expect to see a breakaway Labour Group? After they have voted on the Lendal Bridge issue perhaps they should hold a mirror to themselves and resign en masse thus opening the way for councillors of all parties whose first interest is York and its citizens (not London paymasters and dogma) to form a coalition. acomblass
  • Score: 6310

5:36pm Tue 8 Apr 14

mutley12321 says...

It's disappointing but not surprising that the un-named member decided to put his/her own political future ahead of the electorate.

I always understood that Councillors have to balance the needs and interests of residents the political party they represent (if any) and the council.

I wonder if they'll come out after the vote to confirm why they decided their actions were appropriate.

All round, a pretty poor show.
It's disappointing but not surprising that the un-named member decided to put his/her own political future ahead of the electorate. I always understood that Councillors have to balance the needs and interests of residents the political party they represent (if any) and the council. I wonder if they'll come out after the vote to confirm why they decided their actions were appropriate. All round, a pretty poor show. mutley12321
  • Score: -787

5:44pm Tue 8 Apr 14

pedalling paul says...

zorpie wrote:
James Alexander should resign in disgrace. Neither he nor his cabinet understand transport.
All Councillors with a transport portfolio are made very aware by CoYC Officers that York faces a ticking time bomb in transport terms. Not now but a few decades ahead. It matters not a jot who you vote for, or if you are determined to cling to your own private motor transport for every journey that you make. Doing nothing is not an option.

The car is a good servant and despite some claims made on my behalf to the contrary, I have never said otherwise. But it is also often a bad master. That's why York's current Local Transport Plan, prepared by Officers to Whitehall guidance and signed up to by the then ruling LibDems in 2010, has a continued reduction in car dependancy as its main theme.

I await with interest, the independent Report for the Institute of Transport Studies. I also hope that all York's politicians will support the LTP goals and not shy from trying bold solutions to attain it. Also that they will join with York's MP@s and the Local Govt. Association, to get some clarity on ANPR law, amending it if neccessary so that it can be used effectively in all circumstances.
[quote][p][bold]zorpie[/bold] wrote: James Alexander should resign in disgrace. Neither he nor his cabinet understand transport.[/p][/quote]All Councillors with a transport portfolio are made very aware by CoYC Officers that York faces a ticking time bomb in transport terms. Not now but a few decades ahead. It matters not a jot who you vote for, or if you are determined to cling to your own private motor transport for every journey that you make. Doing nothing is not an option. The car is a good servant and despite some claims made on my behalf to the contrary, I have never said otherwise. But it is also often a bad master. That's why York's current Local Transport Plan, prepared by Officers to Whitehall guidance and signed up to by the then ruling LibDems in 2010, has a continued reduction in car dependancy as its main theme. I await with interest, the independent Report for the Institute of Transport Studies. I also hope that all York's politicians will support the LTP goals and not shy from trying bold solutions to attain it. Also that they will join with York's MP@s and the Local Govt. Association, to get some clarity on ANPR law, amending it if neccessary so that it can be used effectively in all circumstances. pedalling paul
  • Score: -3732

5:47pm Tue 8 Apr 14

The OX says...

Whats the Press and the people, + and the prat PP going to talk about when this is over lol
Whats the Press and the people, + and the prat PP going to talk about when this is over lol The OX
  • Score: -610

5:51pm Tue 8 Apr 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

One councillor, who did not wish to be named,

The most telling comment of this article and indicative of the regime.
One councillor, who did not wish to be named, The most telling comment of this article and indicative of the regime. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -515

5:52pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Garrowby Turnoff says...

If thrown out will he-who-bikes be known as "Back-Pedalling Paul" from now on?
If thrown out will he-who-bikes be known as "Back-Pedalling Paul" from now on? Garrowby Turnoff
  • Score: -453

5:54pm Tue 8 Apr 14

mutley12321 says...

pedalling paul wrote:
zorpie wrote:
James Alexander should resign in disgrace. Neither he nor his cabinet understand transport.
All Councillors with a transport portfolio are made very aware by CoYC Officers that York faces a ticking time bomb in transport terms. Not now but a few decades ahead. It matters not a jot who you vote for, or if you are determined to cling to your own private motor transport for every journey that you make. Doing nothing is not an option.

The car is a good servant and despite some claims made on my behalf to the contrary, I have never said otherwise. But it is also often a bad master. That's why York's current Local Transport Plan, prepared by Officers to Whitehall guidance and signed up to by the then ruling LibDems in 2010, has a continued reduction in car dependancy as its main theme.

I await with interest, the independent Report for the Institute of Transport Studies. I also hope that all York's politicians will support the LTP goals and not shy from trying bold solutions to attain it. Also that they will join with York's MP@s and the Local Govt. Association, to get some clarity on ANPR law, amending it if neccessary so that it can be used effectively in all circumstances.
Hello Paul,

Hardly surprising you continue to miss the point/ central crux of this debate.

Still blaming central government though, tut tut.

The only aspect of your increasingly desperate latest ramblings I agreed with is "Doing nothing is not an option". Perhaps whichever party (or possibly hung?) is left to sweep up this mess realises the electorate demands full consultation and their voice deserves to be heard.

We agree this city needs to be carefully managed to ensure a sustainable future, let's ensure all voices are heard. Just because someone disagrees with you PP - this doesn't automatically make them wrong.

Regards,

Mutt
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zorpie[/bold] wrote: James Alexander should resign in disgrace. Neither he nor his cabinet understand transport.[/p][/quote]All Councillors with a transport portfolio are made very aware by CoYC Officers that York faces a ticking time bomb in transport terms. Not now but a few decades ahead. It matters not a jot who you vote for, or if you are determined to cling to your own private motor transport for every journey that you make. Doing nothing is not an option. The car is a good servant and despite some claims made on my behalf to the contrary, I have never said otherwise. But it is also often a bad master. That's why York's current Local Transport Plan, prepared by Officers to Whitehall guidance and signed up to by the then ruling LibDems in 2010, has a continued reduction in car dependancy as its main theme. I await with interest, the independent Report for the Institute of Transport Studies. I also hope that all York's politicians will support the LTP goals and not shy from trying bold solutions to attain it. Also that they will join with York's MP@s and the Local Govt. Association, to get some clarity on ANPR law, amending it if neccessary so that it can be used effectively in all circumstances.[/p][/quote]Hello Paul, Hardly surprising you continue to miss the point/ central crux of this debate. Still blaming central government though, tut tut. The only aspect of your increasingly desperate latest ramblings I agreed with is "Doing nothing is not an option". Perhaps whichever party (or possibly hung?) is left to sweep up this mess realises the electorate demands full consultation and their voice deserves to be heard. We agree this city needs to be carefully managed to ensure a sustainable future, let's ensure all voices are heard. Just because someone disagrees with you PP - this doesn't automatically make them wrong. Regards, Mutt mutley12321
  • Score: -380

5:56pm Tue 8 Apr 14

ouseswimmer says...

Funny how they begin to listen when there's an election around the corner.
Funny how they begin to listen when there's an election around the corner. ouseswimmer
  • Score: -356

5:57pm Tue 8 Apr 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

A last desperate effort bt the Mark-Down Mongrel.

Woof, Woof, after tonight it's get in your basket.
A last desperate effort bt the Mark-Down Mongrel. Woof, Woof, after tonight it's get in your basket. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: 6225

5:58pm Tue 8 Apr 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

The press should ensure we have a list of the way each member voted.

Public interest, based on representing public opinion.
The press should ensure we have a list of the way each member voted. Public interest, based on representing public opinion. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -510

6:11pm Tue 8 Apr 14

AnotherPointofView says...

acomblass wrote:
If the Party is split then can we expect to see a breakaway Labour Group? After they have voted on the Lendal Bridge issue perhaps they should hold a mirror to themselves and resign en masse thus opening the way for councillors of all parties whose first interest is York and its citizens (not London paymasters and dogma) to form a coalition.
I think that a break away group would be one way forward for Labour in York.

Personally, I prefer party politics to be taken out of local councils, with Independent councillors. Regrettably, we only have two on this council - Mark Waters in Osbaldwick and Sian Wiseman in Strensall.
[quote][p][bold]acomblass[/bold] wrote: If the Party is split then can we expect to see a breakaway Labour Group? After they have voted on the Lendal Bridge issue perhaps they should hold a mirror to themselves and resign en masse thus opening the way for councillors of all parties whose first interest is York and its citizens (not London paymasters and dogma) to form a coalition.[/p][/quote]I think that a break away group would be one way forward for Labour in York. Personally, I prefer party politics to be taken out of local councils, with Independent councillors. Regrettably, we only have two on this council - Mark Waters in Osbaldwick and Sian Wiseman in Strensall. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: -486

6:12pm Tue 8 Apr 14

MorkofYork says...

"All Councillors with a transport portfolio are made very aware by CoYC Officers that York faces a ticking time bomb in transport terms. Not now but a few decades ahead. It matters not a jot who you vote for, or if you are determined to cling to your own private motor transport for every journey that you make. Doing nothing is not an option."

We'll base our traffic rules on the facts we have now, not their opinion of what might happen in the future.
"All Councillors with a transport portfolio are made very aware by CoYC Officers that York faces a ticking time bomb in transport terms. Not now but a few decades ahead. It matters not a jot who you vote for, or if you are determined to cling to your own private motor transport for every journey that you make. Doing nothing is not an option." We'll base our traffic rules on the facts we have now, not their opinion of what might happen in the future. MorkofYork
  • Score: -484

6:26pm Tue 8 Apr 14

nowthen says...

Headline from Minster FM : Emergency Vote on Lendal Bridge Trial as Alexander Declines To Back Merrett ... http://www.minsterfm
.com/news/local/1252
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l-as-alexander-decli
nes-to-back-merrett/
Headline from Minster FM : Emergency Vote on Lendal Bridge Trial as Alexander Declines To Back Merrett ... http://www.minsterfm .com/news/local/1252 290/emergency-vote-o n-lendal-bridge-tria l-as-alexander-decli nes-to-back-merrett/ nowthen
  • Score: -474

6:30pm Tue 8 Apr 14

vax2002 says...

Can the press get it's IT department to capture and track the IP of the troll who is hacking the comment vote scores.
I would have thought that having Their server hacked in to by this moppet would be a concern to them.
Can the press get it's IT department to capture and track the IP of the troll who is hacking the comment vote scores. I would have thought that having Their server hacked in to by this moppet would be a concern to them. vax2002
  • Score: -4781

6:44pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Jazzper says...

vax2002 wrote:
Can the press get it's IT department to capture and track the IP of the troll who is hacking the comment vote scores.
I would have thought that having Their server hacked in to by this moppet would be a concern to them.
I have already asked The Press to sort this out and as yet have had NO reply from them.
[quote][p][bold]vax2002[/bold] wrote: Can the press get it's IT department to capture and track the IP of the troll who is hacking the comment vote scores. I would have thought that having Their server hacked in to by this moppet would be a concern to them.[/p][/quote]I have already asked The Press to sort this out and as yet have had NO reply from them. Jazzper
  • Score: -437

6:45pm Tue 8 Apr 14

SteveSCA says...

nowthen wrote:
Headline from Minster FM : Emergency Vote on Lendal Bridge Trial as Alexander Declines To Back Merrett ... http://www.minsterfm

.com/news/local/1252

290/emergency-vote-o

n-lendal-bridge-tria

l-as-alexander-decli

nes-to-back-merrett/
So he's hanging Merrett out to dry, in a desperate effort to save his own sorry a*se. What a surprise.
[quote][p][bold]nowthen[/bold] wrote: Headline from Minster FM : Emergency Vote on Lendal Bridge Trial as Alexander Declines To Back Merrett ... http://www.minsterfm .com/news/local/1252 290/emergency-vote-o n-lendal-bridge-tria l-as-alexander-decli nes-to-back-merrett/[/p][/quote]So he's hanging Merrett out to dry, in a desperate effort to save his own sorry a*se. What a surprise. SteveSCA
  • Score: -435

6:52pm Tue 8 Apr 14

nearlyman says...

nowthen wrote:
Headline from Minster FM : Emergency Vote on Lendal Bridge Trial as Alexander Declines To Back Merrett ... http://www.minsterfm

.com/news/local/1252

290/emergency-vote-o

n-lendal-bridge-tria

l-as-alexander-decli

nes-to-back-merrett/
I fear Mr Merrett is soon to be purged for his incompetent scheme, which the supreme leader never ever wanted for his beloved people.
[quote][p][bold]nowthen[/bold] wrote: Headline from Minster FM : Emergency Vote on Lendal Bridge Trial as Alexander Declines To Back Merrett ... http://www.minsterfm .com/news/local/1252 290/emergency-vote-o n-lendal-bridge-tria l-as-alexander-decli nes-to-back-merrett/[/p][/quote]I fear Mr Merrett is soon to be purged for his incompetent scheme, which the supreme leader never ever wanted for his beloved people. nearlyman
  • Score: -370

6:55pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Hereiamagainhaha says...

Looks like ferret's gonna be the fall guy, o well never mind......
Looks like ferret's gonna be the fall guy, o well never mind...... Hereiamagainhaha
  • Score: -411

7:00pm Tue 8 Apr 14

The Junkyard Angel says...

The depressing thing is all the Labour voters will return in droves next year and the 'money go round' will continue to spin it's merry way .
The depressing thing is all the Labour voters will return in droves next year and the 'money go round' will continue to spin it's merry way . The Junkyard Angel
  • Score: -471

7:01pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Whitecat says...

What a shambles. Come next years Council Elections Alexander, Merritt, Simpson-Laing and the rest of the Labour Councillors will be destroyed at the ballot box and it serves them right. What will replace Labour is anyone's guess as long as it is not Lib Dem or Conservative. Hugh Bailey, Labour MP for York Central, has served the City well for over 20 years, unfortunately for him he will almost certainly lose his seat at next years General Election which is a great pity. I hope the Labour Councillors will be very proud of this. They should be "tarred and feathered" and run out of town or possibly thrown over Lendal Bridge.
What a shambles. Come next years Council Elections Alexander, Merritt, Simpson-Laing and the rest of the Labour Councillors will be destroyed at the ballot box and it serves them right. What will replace Labour is anyone's guess as long as it is not Lib Dem or Conservative. Hugh Bailey, Labour MP for York Central, has served the City well for over 20 years, unfortunately for him he will almost certainly lose his seat at next years General Election which is a great pity. I hope the Labour Councillors will be very proud of this. They should be "tarred and feathered" and run out of town or possibly thrown over Lendal Bridge. Whitecat
  • Score: 3841

7:10pm Tue 8 Apr 14

mickeytops says...

About time the Council may have finally grown a pair and decided to listen to the people who voted them in. Resign, but it will be even better for us to see your faces after the next elections and you loose by a massive margin.
That Pratt Alexander can even go back to the tills and hopefully take the other idiots Simpson and Merrett with him.
Open the Bridge tomorrow and then go onto your next idiotic idea on how to ruin the people of York lives.
And it is us Council Tax payers that are going to have to pay for all this which could be well over a million pounds, but nether mind us Council Tax payers will pay for it next year with a large hike.
Sleep well York Council while it lasts.
Have the balls to resign and give us back our City from you incompident idiots.
About time the Council may have finally grown a pair and decided to listen to the people who voted them in. Resign, but it will be even better for us to see your faces after the next elections and you loose by a massive margin. That Pratt Alexander can even go back to the tills and hopefully take the other idiots Simpson and Merrett with him. Open the Bridge tomorrow and then go onto your next idiotic idea on how to ruin the people of York lives. And it is us Council Tax payers that are going to have to pay for all this which could be well over a million pounds, but nether mind us Council Tax payers will pay for it next year with a large hike. Sleep well York Council while it lasts. Have the balls to resign and give us back our City from you incompident idiots. mickeytops
  • Score: -446

7:10pm Tue 8 Apr 14

oi oi savaloy says...

"One councillor, who did not wish to be named, said: “If we continue with this, we will lose the next election”.

Carry on lovey! it's a foregone conclusion that you lot are out next elections!

As a lifelong labour voter you have lost my vote because of

A, Beckfield Lane tip
B, the money wasted on gipsy site's
C, Lendal Bridge
D, the 20mph fiasco
E, Kings Square
F, The whopping big pay rise to edmonson-jones
G, the 70k non job you created to keep a certain person from leaving to go to st johns uni
H, Totally Simply-Wrongs attitude
I, you are turning this city into a **** hole!
J, James Alexander
K, the rainbow flag on the mansion house (not anti gay, just thought it was inappropriate to fly it)
L, etc etc etc

bye bye was nice knowing you xx
"One councillor, who did not wish to be named, said: “If we continue with this, we will lose the next election”. Carry on lovey! it's a foregone conclusion that you lot are out next elections! As a lifelong labour voter you have lost my vote because of A, Beckfield Lane tip B, the money wasted on gipsy site's C, Lendal Bridge D, the 20mph fiasco E, Kings Square F, The whopping big pay rise to edmonson-jones G, the 70k non job you created to keep a certain person from leaving to go to st johns uni H, Totally Simply-Wrongs attitude I, you are turning this city into a **** hole! J, James Alexander K, the rainbow flag on the mansion house (not anti gay, just thought it was inappropriate to fly it) L, etc etc etc bye bye was nice knowing you xx oi oi savaloy
  • Score: 4312

7:15pm Tue 8 Apr 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
"One councillor, who did not wish to be named, said: “If we continue with this, we will lose the next election”.

Carry on lovey! it's a foregone conclusion that you lot are out next elections!

As a lifelong labour voter you have lost my vote because of

A, Beckfield Lane tip
B, the money wasted on gipsy site's
C, Lendal Bridge
D, the 20mph fiasco
E, Kings Square
F, The whopping big pay rise to edmonson-jones
G, the 70k non job you created to keep a certain person from leaving to go to st johns uni
H, Totally Simply-Wrongs attitude
I, you are turning this city into a **** hole!
J, James Alexander
K, the rainbow flag on the mansion house (not anti gay, just thought it was inappropriate to fly it)
L, etc etc etc

bye bye was nice knowing you xx
The OX says...

Whats the Press and the people, + and the prat PP going to talk about when this is over lol

I think there are a number of issues that are listed above plus the £4million West Yorkshire exclusive boys club.
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: "One councillor, who did not wish to be named, said: “If we continue with this, we will lose the next election”. Carry on lovey! it's a foregone conclusion that you lot are out next elections! As a lifelong labour voter you have lost my vote because of A, Beckfield Lane tip B, the money wasted on gipsy site's C, Lendal Bridge D, the 20mph fiasco E, Kings Square F, The whopping big pay rise to edmonson-jones G, the 70k non job you created to keep a certain person from leaving to go to st johns uni H, Totally Simply-Wrongs attitude I, you are turning this city into a **** hole! J, James Alexander K, the rainbow flag on the mansion house (not anti gay, just thought it was inappropriate to fly it) L, etc etc etc bye bye was nice knowing you xx[/p][/quote]The OX says... Whats the Press and the people, + and the prat PP going to talk about when this is over lol I think there are a number of issues that are listed above plus the £4million West Yorkshire exclusive boys club. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -348

7:18pm Tue 8 Apr 14

RoseD says...

AnotherPointofView wrote:
acomblass wrote:
If the Party is split then can we expect to see a breakaway Labour Group? After they have voted on the Lendal Bridge issue perhaps they should hold a mirror to themselves and resign en masse thus opening the way for councillors of all parties whose first interest is York and its citizens (not London paymasters and dogma) to form a coalition.
I think that a break away group would be one way forward for Labour in York.

Personally, I prefer party politics to be taken out of local councils, with Independent councillors. Regrettably, we only have two on this council - Mark Waters in Osbaldwick and Sian Wiseman in Strensall.
I'd LOVE to run as an Independent, making up my own mind on each issue as its presented. However, I don't have unlimited funds. While I do realise money doesn't COMPLETELY control politics here, as it does in my former home of amerikkka, you do need access to cash to even get into an election. I too don't mind Hugh Bayley but Labour will not do well in 2015, unless 'Breakaway' Labour candidates CLEARLY differentiate themselves from the present shambolic cast of Muppets.

Its all a shame too because some really great people work for the Arts Council here in York. But Merrett is an able-ist bigot, and now his slippery turncoat 'friend' Alexander, who is also a rather nasty little man, is hanging him out to dry. Oh, it is to laugh.
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]acomblass[/bold] wrote: If the Party is split then can we expect to see a breakaway Labour Group? After they have voted on the Lendal Bridge issue perhaps they should hold a mirror to themselves and resign en masse thus opening the way for councillors of all parties whose first interest is York and its citizens (not London paymasters and dogma) to form a coalition.[/p][/quote]I think that a break away group would be one way forward for Labour in York. Personally, I prefer party politics to be taken out of local councils, with Independent councillors. Regrettably, we only have two on this council - Mark Waters in Osbaldwick and Sian Wiseman in Strensall.[/p][/quote]I'd LOVE to run as an Independent, making up my own mind on each issue as its presented. However, I don't have unlimited funds. While I do realise money doesn't COMPLETELY control politics here, as it does in my former home of amerikkka, you do need access to cash to even get into an election. I too don't mind Hugh Bayley but Labour will not do well in 2015, unless 'Breakaway' Labour candidates CLEARLY differentiate themselves from the present shambolic cast of Muppets. Its all a shame too because some really great people work for the Arts Council here in York. But Merrett is an able-ist bigot, and now his slippery turncoat 'friend' Alexander, who is also a rather nasty little man, is hanging him out to dry. Oh, it is to laugh. RoseD
  • Score: -258

7:19pm Tue 8 Apr 14

oi oi savaloy says...

YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
"One councillor, who did not wish to be named, said: “If we continue with this, we will lose the next election”.

Carry on lovey! it's a foregone conclusion that you lot are out next elections!

As a lifelong labour voter you have lost my vote because of

A, Beckfield Lane tip
B, the money wasted on gipsy site's
C, Lendal Bridge
D, the 20mph fiasco
E, Kings Square
F, The whopping big pay rise to edmonson-jones
G, the 70k non job you created to keep a certain person from leaving to go to st johns uni
H, Totally Simply-Wrongs attitude
I, you are turning this city into a **** hole!
J, James Alexander
K, the rainbow flag on the mansion house (not anti gay, just thought it was inappropriate to fly it)
L, etc etc etc

bye bye was nice knowing you xx
The OX says...

Whats the Press and the people, + and the prat PP going to talk about when this is over lol

I think there are a number of issues that are listed above plus the £4million West Yorkshire exclusive boys club.
i got -104 in 8 minutes :)
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: "One councillor, who did not wish to be named, said: “If we continue with this, we will lose the next election”. Carry on lovey! it's a foregone conclusion that you lot are out next elections! As a lifelong labour voter you have lost my vote because of A, Beckfield Lane tip B, the money wasted on gipsy site's C, Lendal Bridge D, the 20mph fiasco E, Kings Square F, The whopping big pay rise to edmonson-jones G, the 70k non job you created to keep a certain person from leaving to go to st johns uni H, Totally Simply-Wrongs attitude I, you are turning this city into a **** hole! J, James Alexander K, the rainbow flag on the mansion house (not anti gay, just thought it was inappropriate to fly it) L, etc etc etc bye bye was nice knowing you xx[/p][/quote]The OX says... Whats the Press and the people, + and the prat PP going to talk about when this is over lol I think there are a number of issues that are listed above plus the £4million West Yorkshire exclusive boys club.[/p][/quote]i got -104 in 8 minutes :) oi oi savaloy
  • Score: 2987

7:20pm Tue 8 Apr 14

mickeytops says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
"One councillor, who did not wish to be named, said: “If we continue with this, we will lose the next election”.

Carry on lovey! it's a foregone conclusion that you lot are out next elections!

As a lifelong labour voter you have lost my vote because of

A, Beckfield Lane tip
B, the money wasted on gipsy site's
C, Lendal Bridge
D, the 20mph fiasco
E, Kings Square
F, The whopping big pay rise to edmonson-jones
G, the 70k non job you created to keep a certain person from leaving to go to st johns uni
H, Totally Simply-Wrongs attitude
I, you are turning this city into a **** hole!
J, James Alexander
K, the rainbow flag on the mansion house (not anti gay, just thought it was inappropriate to fly it)
L, etc etc etc

bye bye was nice knowing you xx
Brilliant Quote, and look on the front page of the Council website, York Council is a Co-operative Council, what a **** take.
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: "One councillor, who did not wish to be named, said: “If we continue with this, we will lose the next election”. Carry on lovey! it's a foregone conclusion that you lot are out next elections! As a lifelong labour voter you have lost my vote because of A, Beckfield Lane tip B, the money wasted on gipsy site's C, Lendal Bridge D, the 20mph fiasco E, Kings Square F, The whopping big pay rise to edmonson-jones G, the 70k non job you created to keep a certain person from leaving to go to st johns uni H, Totally Simply-Wrongs attitude I, you are turning this city into a **** hole! J, James Alexander K, the rainbow flag on the mansion house (not anti gay, just thought it was inappropriate to fly it) L, etc etc etc bye bye was nice knowing you xx[/p][/quote]Brilliant Quote, and look on the front page of the Council website, York Council is a Co-operative Council, what a **** take. mickeytops
  • Score: -226

7:24pm Tue 8 Apr 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

oi oi savaloy says…

i got -104 in 8 minutes :)

Good man, although I don't think it's a record it is a measure of your success at irritating the Mark-Down Mongrels.

Keep up the fantastic work.
oi oi savaloy says… i got -104 in 8 minutes :) Good man, although I don't think it's a record it is a measure of your success at irritating the Mark-Down Mongrels. Keep up the fantastic work. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -275

7:26pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Woody G Mellor says...

I'd like to see a "New" Labour in York. Sweep away the hidden Greens in the party and get York moving again!
I'd like to see a "New" Labour in York. Sweep away the hidden Greens in the party and get York moving again! Woody G Mellor
  • Score: -302

7:26pm Tue 8 Apr 14

bolero says...

pedalling paul wrote:
zorpie wrote:
James Alexander should resign in disgrace. Neither he nor his cabinet understand transport.
All Councillors with a transport portfolio are made very aware by CoYC Officers that York faces a ticking time bomb in transport terms. Not now but a few decades ahead. It matters not a jot who you vote for, or if you are determined to cling to your own private motor transport for every journey that you make. Doing nothing is not an option.

The car is a good servant and despite some claims made on my behalf to the contrary, I have never said otherwise. But it is also often a bad master. That's why York's current Local Transport Plan, prepared by Officers to Whitehall guidance and signed up to by the then ruling LibDems in 2010, has a continued reduction in car dependancy as its main theme.

I await with interest, the independent Report for the Institute of Transport Studies. I also hope that all York's politicians will support the LTP goals and not shy from trying bold solutions to attain it. Also that they will join with York's MP@s and the Local Govt. Association, to get some clarity on ANPR law, amending it if neccessary so that it can be used effectively in all circumstances.
SCORE -1
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zorpie[/bold] wrote: James Alexander should resign in disgrace. Neither he nor his cabinet understand transport.[/p][/quote]All Councillors with a transport portfolio are made very aware by CoYC Officers that York faces a ticking time bomb in transport terms. Not now but a few decades ahead. It matters not a jot who you vote for, or if you are determined to cling to your own private motor transport for every journey that you make. Doing nothing is not an option. The car is a good servant and despite some claims made on my behalf to the contrary, I have never said otherwise. But it is also often a bad master. That's why York's current Local Transport Plan, prepared by Officers to Whitehall guidance and signed up to by the then ruling LibDems in 2010, has a continued reduction in car dependancy as its main theme. I await with interest, the independent Report for the Institute of Transport Studies. I also hope that all York's politicians will support the LTP goals and not shy from trying bold solutions to attain it. Also that they will join with York's MP@s and the Local Govt. Association, to get some clarity on ANPR law, amending it if neccessary so that it can be used effectively in all circumstances.[/p][/quote]SCORE -1 bolero
  • Score: -171

7:43pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Pinza-C55 says...

There's an internet acronym LMAO and a more extreme one ROFLMAO. If they vote to abandon the scheme I don't think ROFLMAO will suffice.
ROFPMSL may hit the mark.
There's an internet acronym LMAO and a more extreme one ROFLMAO. If they vote to abandon the scheme I don't think ROFLMAO will suffice. ROFPMSL may hit the mark. Pinza-C55
  • Score: -284

7:52pm Tue 8 Apr 14

velvetdixie says...

No matter which way the wind blows the present council needs to be swept free of the fools who committed this act of vandalism in the first place. Actions have consequences but so do elections!
No matter which way the wind blows the present council needs to be swept free of the fools who committed this act of vandalism in the first place. Actions have consequences but so do elections! velvetdixie
  • Score: -368

7:55pm Tue 8 Apr 14

strangebuttrue? says...

This as yet may not be a forgone conclusion but if the rest of the councillors have any sense, that will be all but about 4 of them, it should be.

We should not forget though that this is not the only anti car scheme in York and the council still have there other weapons at their disposal to exact revenge if they dare not least their traffic lights. One older council report says of one set of lights in York that they are deliberately set short (only one or two cars let past at a time) to dissuaded drivers from using a road. This has been rolled out to many other lights in York now.

If this goes the way it should I wonder if we will get the resignation we are all waiting for, well that will be all except PP I suppose. One can only live in hope.

One more to mark down. Must have sore fingers tonight. I may come back later just to keep the mark down person up late again.
This as yet may not be a forgone conclusion but if the rest of the councillors have any sense, that will be all but about 4 of them, it should be. We should not forget though that this is not the only anti car scheme in York and the council still have there other weapons at their disposal to exact revenge if they dare not least their traffic lights. One older council report says of one set of lights in York that they are deliberately set short (only one or two cars let past at a time) to dissuaded drivers from using a road. This has been rolled out to many other lights in York now. If this goes the way it should I wonder if we will get the resignation we are all waiting for, well that will be all except PP I suppose. One can only live in hope. One more to mark down. Must have sore fingers tonight. I may come back later just to keep the mark down person up late again. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: 2881

8:01pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Igiveinthen says...

Caecilius wrote:
Those councillors thinking of voting to end the ban - grow a pair! You believed it was the right thing to do when you supported it originally, one presumes, unless you were no more than ventriloquist's dummies toeing the party line because Alexander told you to. In that case, try doing what's right, instead of rolling over and appeasing the wailing car driver lobby yet again in the hope of clinging on to your seats.
Whoe there trigger, it's not the wailing car driver lobby that caused this, it's the Goverment Traffic Ajudicator that has called the council to heel, if they think they are above the law, as you appear to be, then I hope they are all made to answer for their 'arrogant I know it all attitude' they have towards the electorate.
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: Those councillors thinking of voting to end the ban - grow a pair! You believed it was the right thing to do when you supported it originally, one presumes, unless you were no more than ventriloquist's dummies toeing the party line because Alexander told you to. In that case, try doing what's right, instead of rolling over and appeasing the wailing car driver lobby yet again in the hope of clinging on to your seats.[/p][/quote]Whoe there trigger, it's not the wailing car driver lobby that caused this, it's the Goverment Traffic Ajudicator that has called the council to heel, if they think they are above the law, as you appear to be, then I hope they are all made to answer for their 'arrogant I know it all attitude' they have towards the electorate. Igiveinthen
  • Score: 2732

8:11pm Tue 8 Apr 14

the equalizer squad says...

Bridgekeeper: What... is your name?
King Arthur: It is 'Arthur', King of the Britons.
Bridgekeeper: What... is your quest?
King Arthur: To seek the Holy Grail.
Bridgekeeper: What... is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
King Arthur: What do you mean? An African or European swallow?
Bridgekeeper: Huh? I... I don't know that.

Bridgekeeper: Auuuuuuuugh.
Sir Bedevere: How do know so much about swallows?
King Arthur: Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
Bridgekeeper: What... is your name? King Arthur: It is 'Arthur', King of the Britons. Bridgekeeper: What... is your quest? King Arthur: To seek the Holy Grail. Bridgekeeper: What... is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow? King Arthur: What do you mean? An African or European swallow? Bridgekeeper: Huh? I... I don't know that. [he is thrown over] Bridgekeeper: Auuuuuuuugh. Sir Bedevere: How do know so much about swallows? King Arthur: Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know. the equalizer squad
  • Score: 2936

8:11pm Tue 8 Apr 14

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

Caecilius wrote:
Those councillors thinking of voting to end the ban - grow a pair! You believed it was the right thing to do when you supported it originally, one presumes, unless you were no more than ventriloquist's dummies toeing the party line because Alexander told you to. In that case, try doing what's right, instead of rolling over and appeasing the wailing car driver lobby yet again in the hope of clinging on to your seats.
It's good to see that you have moved on from boring and endlessly commenting about the Water End mess, and finally joined us in this year and started discussing the current mess of Lendal Bridge.
Can we make a deal though, that when it reopens that you will actually give it rest and stop flogging dead horses?
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: Those councillors thinking of voting to end the ban - grow a pair! You believed it was the right thing to do when you supported it originally, one presumes, unless you were no more than ventriloquist's dummies toeing the party line because Alexander told you to. In that case, try doing what's right, instead of rolling over and appeasing the wailing car driver lobby yet again in the hope of clinging on to your seats.[/p][/quote]It's good to see that you have moved on from boring and endlessly commenting about the Water End mess, and finally joined us in this year and started discussing the current mess of Lendal Bridge. Can we make a deal though, that when it reopens that you will actually give it rest and stop flogging dead horses? NoNewsIsGoodNews
  • Score: 3650

8:14pm Tue 8 Apr 14

anth!! says...

vax2002 wrote:
Can the press get it's IT department to capture and track the IP of the troll who is hacking the comment vote scores.
I would have thought that having Their server hacked in to by this moppet would be a concern to them.
Totally agree pal, the person is an oxygen thief.
[quote][p][bold]vax2002[/bold] wrote: Can the press get it's IT department to capture and track the IP of the troll who is hacking the comment vote scores. I would have thought that having Their server hacked in to by this moppet would be a concern to them.[/p][/quote]Totally agree pal, the person is an oxygen thief. anth!!
  • Score: -5181

8:20pm Tue 8 Apr 14

calmdownyork says...

DB Bowman wrote:
acomblass wrote:
To the councillor who is worried about losing his seat at the next election - do not worry you have lost it already.
Just wait until next May, when the people of York retreat into the arms of the Liberal Democrats, apologizing for ever having left them. And then run right back into Labour's arms in 2019. And then the Lib Dems again in 2023...
The elections are every 5 years and have been for a while, but I think we get your point.
[quote][p][bold]DB Bowman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]acomblass[/bold] wrote: To the councillor who is worried about losing his seat at the next election - do not worry you have lost it already.[/p][/quote]Just wait until next May, when the people of York retreat into the arms of the Liberal Democrats, apologizing for ever having left them. And then run right back into Labour's arms in 2019. And then the Lib Dems again in 2023...[/p][/quote]The elections are every 5 years and have been for a while, but I think we get your point. calmdownyork
  • Score: 2542

8:31pm Tue 8 Apr 14

gmc_1963 says...

“If we continue with this, we will lose the next election”.

Oh yeah, like it's not too late

ha ha ha
“If we continue with this, we will lose the next election”. Oh yeah, like it's not too late ha ha ha gmc_1963
  • Score: 2580

9:12pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Sage9 says...

Seems to be some incorrect assumptions here:
vax2002 says...
"They have been told by the country's highest legal authority the Fines are illegal."

Well the High Court, Court of Appeal and Supreme Court might disagree.


pedalling paul says...

"I await with interest, the independent Report for the Institute of Transport Studies."

Well unless the Institute of Transport Studies can wave a magic wand and turn back time to retrospectively validate the cameras, I think there are more urgent matters to attend to.


AnotherPointofView says

"The press should ensure we have a list of the way each member voted."

This is a Labour Party meeting to "… determine the unified stance Labour then take at an extraordinary general meeting of the council to discuss the issue, which may be held later this week."

I am not sure we should expect to be told about tonight's discussions. It is interesting though that they expect or hope for an agreed unified conclusion.
However, given that Council meetings are held in public and broadcast live on the web there might be some entertainment coming. Of course, they would not suggest that any extraordinary meeting should exclude the public would they? If so, that could become their biggest mistake yet.
Seems to be some incorrect assumptions here: vax2002 says... "They have been told by the country's highest legal authority the Fines are illegal." Well the High Court, Court of Appeal and Supreme Court might disagree. pedalling paul says... "I await with interest, the independent Report for the Institute of Transport Studies." Well unless the Institute of Transport Studies can wave a magic wand and turn back time to retrospectively validate the cameras, I think there are more urgent matters to attend to. AnotherPointofView says "The press should ensure we have a list of the way each member voted." This is a Labour Party meeting to "… determine the unified stance Labour then take at an extraordinary general meeting of the council to discuss the issue, which may be held later this week." I am not sure we should expect to be told about tonight's discussions. It is interesting though that they expect or hope for an agreed unified conclusion. However, given that Council meetings are held in public and broadcast live on the web there might be some entertainment coming. Of course, they would not suggest that any extraordinary meeting should exclude the public would they? If so, that could become their biggest mistake yet. Sage9
  • Score: -524

9:13pm Tue 8 Apr 14

nowthen says...

From Minster FM : Department of Transport Says Not It's Job to Police Lendal Bridge & Coppergate Signs ...... http://www.minsterfm
.com/news/local/1252
278/department-of-tr
ansport-says-not-its
-job-to-police-lenda
l-bridge--coppergate
-signs/
From Minster FM : Department of Transport Says Not It's Job to Police Lendal Bridge & Coppergate Signs ...... http://www.minsterfm .com/news/local/1252 278/department-of-tr ansport-says-not-its -job-to-police-lenda l-bridge--coppergate -signs/ nowthen
  • Score: -551

9:18pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Sage9 says...

What a result !!
What a result !! Sage9
  • Score: -549

9:18pm Tue 8 Apr 14

bill bailey says...

gmc_1963 wrote:
“If we continue with this, we will lose the next election”.

Oh yeah, like it's not too late

ha ha ha
What ever happens tonight they will be out next time,,I think this is the end of labour in YORK...
[quote][p][bold]gmc_1963[/bold] wrote: “If we continue with this, we will lose the next election”. Oh yeah, like it's not too late ha ha ha[/p][/quote]What ever happens tonight they will be out next time,,I think this is the end of labour in YORK... bill bailey
  • Score: -531

9:19pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Exiled Tyke says...

GOOD!
GOOD! Exiled Tyke
  • Score: 465

9:20pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Exiled Tyke says...

Good! This has been a completely mismanaged fiasco from the start.
Good! This has been a completely mismanaged fiasco from the start. Exiled Tyke
  • Score: 292

9:23pm Tue 8 Apr 14

roclank2000 says...

Does any anti council comment here get voted down?

Here's another one then.

GREAT NEWS.

I'm off in my BMW carbon maker to Lendal Bridge to celebrate. With an e-cig and an iPad charger.
Does any anti council comment here get voted down? Here's another one then. GREAT NEWS. I'm off in my BMW carbon maker to Lendal Bridge to celebrate. With an e-cig and an iPad charger. roclank2000
  • Score: 272

9:23pm Tue 8 Apr 14

bill bailey says...

LENDAL BRIDGE WILL OPEN, THE CIRCUS CLOWNS HAVE LOST,
BECAUSE THEY CANT READ ...THE RULES ..THEY ARE A BUNCH OF KIDS DOING A MANS JOB.
LENDAL BRIDGE WILL OPEN, THE CIRCUS CLOWNS HAVE LOST, BECAUSE THEY CANT READ ...THE RULES ..THEY ARE A BUNCH OF KIDS DOING A MANS JOB. bill bailey
  • Score: 1838

9:24pm Tue 8 Apr 14

againstthecuts says...

I hope everyone that has paid the fine should demand a refund. A total embarrassing situation for Alexander.
I hope everyone that has paid the fine should demand a refund. A total embarrassing situation for Alexander. againstthecuts
  • Score: 1886

9:26pm Tue 8 Apr 14

yorkandproud says...

Resignations to follow ? Shame on Labour Group cabinet, for making this fine City a laughing stock. Hang your heads in shame.
Resignations to follow ? Shame on Labour Group cabinet, for making this fine City a laughing stock. Hang your heads in shame. yorkandproud
  • Score: 636

9:29pm Tue 8 Apr 14

ouseswimmer says...

Have you seen the photo of the sign used for Lendal Bridge on the Minster Radio page? It says no motor vehicles between 10.30 and 5pm. So how come no buses or taxis received fines? It clearly says no motor vehicles.
Have you seen the photo of the sign used for Lendal Bridge on the Minster Radio page? It says no motor vehicles between 10.30 and 5pm. So how come no buses or taxis received fines? It clearly says no motor vehicles. ouseswimmer
  • Score: 285

9:31pm Tue 8 Apr 14

cas540 says...

yippee at last some of the Muppet brigade have seen sense. Now all we need is a few resignations and that will close the whole fiasco and we can party.
yippee at last some of the Muppet brigade have seen sense. Now all we need is a few resignations and that will close the whole fiasco and we can party. cas540
  • Score: -551

9:32pm Tue 8 Apr 14

cas540 says...

Pedalling Paul GET ON YOUR BIKE!!
Pedalling Paul GET ON YOUR BIKE!! cas540
  • Score: -569

9:33pm Tue 8 Apr 14

ouseswimmer says...

Love the way Alexander says he's listened and taken action! Since when?
Love the way Alexander says he's listened and taken action! Since when? ouseswimmer
  • Score: -466

9:35pm Tue 8 Apr 14

oldgoat says...

Common sense prevails.
Wonder who will fall on their swords tomorrow?
Common sense prevails. Wonder who will fall on their swords tomorrow? oldgoat
  • Score: -412

9:36pm Tue 8 Apr 14

jay, york says...

So CYC were wrong after all ............
Dont forget little jimmy is live on Radio York with Adam Tomliinson after 8 Wenesday morning.............
So CYC were wrong after all ............ Dont forget little jimmy is live on Radio York with Adam Tomliinson after 8 Wenesday morning............. jay, york
  • Score: -302

9:39pm Tue 8 Apr 14

bolero says...

That result is as good as an election result. Labour OUT.






Score +10000
That result is as good as an election result. Labour OUT. Score +10000 bolero
  • Score: -21455

9:44pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Whistlejacket says...

So, will "uncle" Merrit now be stripped naked and fed to a pack of ravenous dogs for bringing shame on the podgy young supreme leader?
So, will "uncle" Merrit now be stripped naked and fed to a pack of ravenous dogs for bringing shame on the podgy young supreme leader? Whistlejacket
  • Score: -175

9:47pm Tue 8 Apr 14

The OX says...

So why Saturday ?? if I go over tomorrow will I be fined what a hash
So why Saturday ?? if I go over tomorrow will I be fined what a hash The OX
  • Score: -183

9:47pm Tue 8 Apr 14

oi oi savaloy says...

'Coun James Alexander has said in the last few minutes that the "principle" of the Lendal Bridge trial was correct and the council followed the correct legal procedures. He said the council had gathered "valuable information" about traffic flows, bus reliability had improved and passenger numbers had increased.

He said footfall and hotel bookings in the city had also risen while pollution had fallen'

And you James Alexander have proof of this???

What an absolute load of codswallop!!

You are doing this for 2 reasons,

1, because you have acted illegally

2, your all scared of losing your seats next election

Do the right thing for the tax paying residents of York Alexander , resign and move back home (and take the rest of the lunatics with you)
'Coun James Alexander has said in the last few minutes that the "principle" of the Lendal Bridge trial was correct and the council followed the correct legal procedures. He said the council had gathered "valuable information" about traffic flows, bus reliability had improved and passenger numbers had increased. He said footfall and hotel bookings in the city had also risen while pollution had fallen' And you James Alexander have proof of this??? What an absolute load of codswallop!! You are doing this for 2 reasons, 1, because you have acted illegally 2, your all scared of losing your seats next election Do the right thing for the tax paying residents of York Alexander , resign and move back home (and take the rest of the lunatics with you) oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -107

9:51pm Tue 8 Apr 14

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

Don't worry everyone Jim'll Fix IT for us to cross the bridge unhindered now.
He has seen the light, Hallelujah, Buda be praised.
Don't worry everyone Jim'll Fix IT for us to cross the bridge unhindered now. He has seen the light, Hallelujah, Buda be praised. NoNewsIsGoodNews
  • Score: -128

9:52pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Igiveinthen says...

In light of the shock news re Lendal Bridge, what happens now to the Coppergate restrictions?
In light of the shock news re Lendal Bridge, what happens now to the Coppergate restrictions? Igiveinthen
  • Score: -101

9:53pm Tue 8 Apr 14

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

Igiveinthen wrote:
In light of the shock news re Lendal Bridge, what happens now to the Coppergate restrictions?
Good question.
[quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: In light of the shock news re Lendal Bridge, what happens now to the Coppergate restrictions?[/p][/quote]Good question. NoNewsIsGoodNews
  • Score: -86

9:56pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Sage9 says...

Igiveinthen wrote:
In light of the shock news re Lendal Bridge, what happens now to the Coppergate restrictions?
Nothing changed.

Restriction valid (subject to signs being acceptable), camera enforcement not valid until advised otherwise.

On balance you could use it and fight any ticket, even if handed out by a policeman. However, frankly, I think this restriction makes a lot more sense.
[quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: In light of the shock news re Lendal Bridge, what happens now to the Coppergate restrictions?[/p][/quote]Nothing changed. Restriction valid (subject to signs being acceptable), camera enforcement not valid until advised otherwise. On balance you could use it and fight any ticket, even if handed out by a policeman. However, frankly, I think this restriction makes a lot more sense. Sage9
  • Score: -89

9:58pm Tue 8 Apr 14

yorkonafork says...

Haha, what's footfall and hotel bookings got to do with a bridge shutting!? Man alive, if you didn't laugh you'd cry. What are these people on!
Haha, what's footfall and hotel bookings got to do with a bridge shutting!? Man alive, if you didn't laugh you'd cry. What are these people on! yorkonafork
  • Score: -65

9:58pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Madasanibbotson says...

Alexander , Ferrett and Simply Laing.- Go now, if you have an ounce of honour you will resign tonight.
Even die hard labour voters cannot vote Labour in York after the way you gang of amateur, self interested amateurs have tried to hoodwink the council tax payers.

You are a disgrace.
Alexander , Ferrett and Simply Laing.- Go now, if you have an ounce of honour you will resign tonight. Even die hard labour voters cannot vote Labour in York after the way you gang of amateur, self interested amateurs have tried to hoodwink the council tax payers. You are a disgrace. Madasanibbotson
  • Score: -51

9:59pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Pitbull Terry says...

Council leader even now trying to save face! What a fiasco. You couldn't make it up.
Council leader even now trying to save face! What a fiasco. You couldn't make it up. Pitbull Terry
  • Score: -53

10:00pm Tue 8 Apr 14

courier46 says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
"One councillor, who did not wish to be named, said: “If we continue with this, we will lose the next election”.

Carry on lovey! it's a foregone conclusion that you lot are out next elections!

As a lifelong labour voter you have lost my vote because of

A, Beckfield Lane tip
B, the money wasted on gipsy site's
C, Lendal Bridge
D, the 20mph fiasco
E, Kings Square
F, The whopping big pay rise to edmonson-jones
G, the 70k non job you created to keep a certain person from leaving to go to st johns uni
H, Totally Simply-Wrongs attitude
I, you are turning this city into a **** hole!
J, James Alexander
K, the rainbow flag on the mansion house (not anti gay, just thought it was inappropriate to fly it)
L, etc etc etc

bye bye was nice knowing you xx
Me too.3 votes in our house not going to Labour next year
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: "One councillor, who did not wish to be named, said: “If we continue with this, we will lose the next election”. Carry on lovey! it's a foregone conclusion that you lot are out next elections! As a lifelong labour voter you have lost my vote because of A, Beckfield Lane tip B, the money wasted on gipsy site's C, Lendal Bridge D, the 20mph fiasco E, Kings Square F, The whopping big pay rise to edmonson-jones G, the 70k non job you created to keep a certain person from leaving to go to st johns uni H, Totally Simply-Wrongs attitude I, you are turning this city into a **** hole! J, James Alexander K, the rainbow flag on the mansion house (not anti gay, just thought it was inappropriate to fly it) L, etc etc etc bye bye was nice knowing you xx[/p][/quote]Me too.3 votes in our house not going to Labour next year courier46
  • Score: -71

10:00pm Tue 8 Apr 14

nearlyman says...

And they are still saying how good they are !!!!..........lost touch of reality !!!
And they are still saying how good they are !!!!..........lost touch of reality !!! nearlyman
  • Score: -42

10:01pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

How much can you get for second hand ANPR cameras on Ebay?

It's a good result, we can all breathe a sigh of relief, like loosening a belt after a big meal out.
And it's long overdue!

But let's not forget that James Alexander claiming the "principle of the trial was correct" and that "correct legal procedures" were followed is just as arrogant as Steve Galloway telling us we were too incompetent to use his Fulford Road bus lane, the one that got people seriously injured.

This lot were wrong, that lot were wrong. And they blamed us. Don't trust em, any of em.


Anyway, bridge open again. Result! The engineers can no longer be offended.

Um..... what of Coppergate?
How much can you get for second hand ANPR cameras on Ebay? It's a good result, we can all breathe a sigh of relief, like loosening a belt after a big meal out. And it's long overdue! But let's not forget that James Alexander claiming the "principle of the trial was correct" and that "correct legal procedures" were followed is just as arrogant as Steve Galloway telling us we were too incompetent to use his Fulford Road bus lane, the one that got people seriously injured. This lot were wrong, that lot were wrong. And they blamed us. Don't trust em, any of em. Anyway, bridge open again. Result! The engineers can no longer be offended. Um..... what of Coppergate? Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: -43

10:02pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Igiveinthen says...

I would like to say to pp/Hepworth that I feel really gutted for him, and hope that this news doesn't affect his mental well being, I would also like to add.........Yippee!!
!!!
I would like to say to pp/Hepworth that I feel really gutted for him, and hope that this news doesn't affect his mental well being, I would also like to add.........Yippee!! !!! Igiveinthen
  • Score: -45

10:04pm Tue 8 Apr 14

courier46 says...

What a total waste of money ,time and man power.Same as the non enforceable 20mph zones.These people do NOT care about the way they are destroying our city ,the sad thing is when they have gone there destruction will still be here.
What a total waste of money ,time and man power.Same as the non enforceable 20mph zones.These people do NOT care about the way they are destroying our city ,the sad thing is when they have gone there destruction will still be here. courier46
  • Score: -37

10:04pm Tue 8 Apr 14

ouseswimmer says...

OOOPS! Not good for the council,

http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/motoring/news
/10753358/Councils-3
50000-bill-for-illeg
al-parking-fines.htm
l
OOOPS! Not good for the council, http://www.telegraph .co.uk/motoring/news /10753358/Councils-3 50000-bill-for-illeg al-parking-fines.htm l ouseswimmer
  • Score: -59

10:07pm Tue 8 Apr 14

aac2689 says...

Best get the signs to the local scrapyard to get some money back..oh and take some of the 20mph signs with you,im all for them outside schools but ycc have gone mad with them..
Best get the signs to the local scrapyard to get some money back..oh and take some of the 20mph signs with you,im all for them outside schools but ycc have gone mad with them.. aac2689
  • Score: -31

10:11pm Tue 8 Apr 14

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

I can't help but think that the score adjuster is now just wasting his/her/its time.
I can't help but think that the score adjuster is now just wasting his/her/its time. NoNewsIsGoodNews
  • Score: -33

10:15pm Tue 8 Apr 14

cas540 says...

Has anyone noticed that now the meeting is over the score hacking seems to have zoomed into action big style ? What does that prove?
Has anyone noticed that now the meeting is over the score hacking seems to have zoomed into action big style ? What does that prove? cas540
  • Score: -22

10:17pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Just-a-moment says...

OK - now councillors and senior officers implicated in these decisions must be brought to account for their wlful maladministration and misuse of public funds - then punished financially and appropriately to set an example to other local authorities. It's only fair and equitable.
OK - now councillors and senior officers implicated in these decisions must be brought to account for their wlful maladministration and misuse of public funds - then punished financially and appropriately to set an example to other local authorities. It's only fair and equitable. Just-a-moment
  • Score: -24

10:18pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Silver says...

He said footfall and hotel bookings in the city had also risen while pollution had fallen
First two parts may be true. But the last isn't. The Press released emails stating that. Thats a lie then, if a general gets his soldiers to commit something illegal he is responsible for their actions. Our leader needs to realise he broke the law and must pay for it
He said footfall and hotel bookings in the city had also risen while pollution had fallen First two parts may be true. But the last isn't. The Press released emails stating that. Thats a lie then, if a general gets his soldiers to commit something illegal he is responsible for their actions. Our leader needs to realise he broke the law and must pay for it Silver
  • Score: -25

10:22pm Tue 8 Apr 14

eeoodares says...

"If we continue with this, we will lose the next election"

You are finished, do the right thing and leave NOW. You are a disgrace to York, you are a disgrace to Labour and you are a disgrace to democracy.

GO NOW!
"If we continue with this, we will lose the next election" You are finished, do the right thing and leave NOW. You are a disgrace to York, you are a disgrace to Labour and you are a disgrace to democracy. GO NOW! eeoodares
  • Score: -20

10:23pm Tue 8 Apr 14

courier46 says...

Can we all get together and decide who we are going to vote for next year,just so there`s not even a 1% chance of these idiots getting there hands on more of our money for there crazy schemes.
Can we all get together and decide who we are going to vote for next year,just so there`s not even a 1% chance of these idiots getting there hands on more of our money for there crazy schemes. courier46
  • Score: -27

10:23pm Tue 8 Apr 14

tizme says...

I hope to get my £30 back. I also hope the tourists, who we (the council) have annoyed, will come back again. I really do think the public should have a vote with regard to what happens next. I personally think that every person who has supported this debacle should be ordered to resign and stand for election again and include in their manifesto that they voted FOR this madcap idea! Also the reason why (the truthful reason ie: we wanted to be in Jimmy's gang!!!). As for losing the vote at the next election. I will not vote for the idiots. For the first time in my 62 years I will NOT vote for labour.
I hope to get my £30 back. I also hope the tourists, who we (the council) have annoyed, will come back again. I really do think the public should have a vote with regard to what happens next. I personally think that every person who has supported this debacle should be ordered to resign and stand for election again and include in their manifesto that they voted FOR this madcap idea! Also the reason why (the truthful reason ie: we wanted to be in Jimmy's gang!!!). As for losing the vote at the next election. I will not vote for the idiots. For the first time in my 62 years I will NOT vote for labour. tizme
  • Score: -11

10:24pm Tue 8 Apr 14

SteveSCA says...

The OX wrote:
So why Saturday ?? if I go over tomorrow will I be fined what a hash
I shall be driving my car over Lendal Bridge at 10.31am tomorrow, with great delight. I would like to see them try and fine me.
[quote][p][bold]The OX[/bold] wrote: So why Saturday ?? if I go over tomorrow will I be fined what a hash[/p][/quote]I shall be driving my car over Lendal Bridge at 10.31am tomorrow, with great delight. I would like to see them try and fine me. SteveSCA
  • Score: -11

10:34pm Tue 8 Apr 14

dudbertman says...

zorpie wrote:
James Alexander should resign in disgrace. Neither he nor his cabinet understand transport.
They certainly don't. Sort the outer ring road out never mind spend a £million on a cycle track.
Dual the outer ring road and sort the Wigginton, Haxby and Strensall junctions out
[quote][p][bold]zorpie[/bold] wrote: James Alexander should resign in disgrace. Neither he nor his cabinet understand transport.[/p][/quote]They certainly don't. Sort the outer ring road out never mind spend a £million on a cycle track. Dual the outer ring road and sort the Wigginton, Haxby and Strensall junctions out dudbertman
  • Score: -17

10:37pm Tue 8 Apr 14

nearlyman says...

Alexander has just lied through his teeth on Look north....claiming that it was re opening because the council have listened to businesses and residents !!!!
...........So Pinocchio, 'what was all that last month about keeping the restrictions in place for a further three months to assess the impact of the scheme ???' Looks like the assessment must have been fast tracked. Liar , Liar, Liar. Resign now before your colleagues unseat you for gross incompetence.
Alexander has just lied through his teeth on Look north....claiming that it was re opening because the council have listened to businesses and residents !!!! ...........So Pinocchio, 'what was all that last month about keeping the restrictions in place for a further three months to assess the impact of the scheme ???' Looks like the assessment must have been fast tracked. Liar , Liar, Liar. Resign now before your colleagues unseat you for gross incompetence. nearlyman
  • Score: -3

10:38pm Tue 8 Apr 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Good News for all York residents (although a couple may not think so) and for visitors, business and those who provide care to our elderly residents.

Pollution has gone down??? What is that below the levels achieved in 2005 when traffic volumes hit a low and have stayed there since whilst pollution since 2005 has gone up by as much as 48%? Non of us should be happy with any decrease in pollution until we at least get back to the levels of 2005.

Now all we need is a resignation from the man who has sat on the transport panels since 2006 and even I may dust off my bike and go for a ride to celebrate.

Now keep a look out for sneaky changes to the traffic light sequences to create the illusion of increased volume and the reality of increased congestion and pollution that will allow them to mislead us into believing opening the bridge has made matters worse. Don't forget they changed the traffic lights to make the closure look good so now they may just change them back to make it look like opening it again was a bad decision. Someone needs to be asking what there intensions are with this now.
Good News for all York residents (although a couple may not think so) and for visitors, business and those who provide care to our elderly residents. Pollution has gone down??? What is that below the levels achieved in 2005 when traffic volumes hit a low and have stayed there since whilst pollution since 2005 has gone up by as much as 48%? Non of us should be happy with any decrease in pollution until we at least get back to the levels of 2005. Now all we need is a resignation from the man who has sat on the transport panels since 2006 and even I may dust off my bike and go for a ride to celebrate. Now keep a look out for sneaky changes to the traffic light sequences to create the illusion of increased volume and the reality of increased congestion and pollution that will allow them to mislead us into believing opening the bridge has made matters worse. Don't forget they changed the traffic lights to make the closure look good so now they may just change them back to make it look like opening it again was a bad decision. Someone needs to be asking what there intensions are with this now. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -4

10:38pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Igiveinthen says...

Back peddaling Alexander on Look North news, when asked if it had anything to do with the adjudicators findings that the bridge restrictions would now be axed, he replied no it was because they had listened to the feed back from businesses and residents, and he still claimed that the bridge restriction where legal.
Can't believe the c**p that comes out of this mans mouth!, completely and utterly arrogant.
Back peddaling Alexander on Look North news, when asked if it had anything to do with the adjudicators findings that the bridge restrictions would now be axed, he replied no it was because they had listened to the feed back from businesses and residents, and he still claimed that the bridge restriction where legal. Can't believe the c**p that comes out of this mans mouth!, completely and utterly arrogant. Igiveinthen
  • Score: -70

10:39pm Tue 8 Apr 14

cas540 says...

Just watched Jimmy on look north news and he says fines won't be paid back to people.Also says bridge shouldn't be used until Saturday.
Surely the bridge should be accessible to all now.
Just watched Jimmy on look north news and he says fines won't be paid back to people.Also says bridge shouldn't be used until Saturday. Surely the bridge should be accessible to all now. cas540
  • Score: -89

10:42pm Tue 8 Apr 14

the equalizer squad says...

HoofHearted ?? You did you loosing old wind bag.

The bridge is open from Saturday you smug buffoon HA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HA
HoofHearted ?? You did you loosing old wind bag. The bridge is open from Saturday you smug buffoon HA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HA the equalizer squad
  • Score: -101

10:44pm Tue 8 Apr 14

mel_drew says...

Footfall, hotel bookings, pollution. Aren't these all things that Leeds University were supposed to be reporting on sometime next month? Sounds as if wee Jimmy has already written the report.
Footfall, hotel bookings, pollution. Aren't these all things that Leeds University were supposed to be reporting on sometime next month? Sounds as if wee Jimmy has already written the report. mel_drew
  • Score: -79

10:51pm Tue 8 Apr 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Coun Alexander said "doing nothing is not an option" on congestion and it needed "tough decisions".

Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing and we don't need tough decisions, we need smart decisions.

The only thing more disgraceful than this botched misdescribed trial is that there was never any intention to lift the restriction. And even now the so called leadership are spinning their rubbish results to justify their actions, disgraceful.

If it hadn't been for Mr Knapp's report York residents would have been burdened with this ideological nightmare.

The real concern should be the abuse of power and position that has been exacted to create a nonsense solution to a manufactured problem so that personal ideologies can be realised.

****-ups of this magnitude should not be allowed to pass by without full public investigation and consequences for those responsible.
Coun Alexander said "doing nothing is not an option" on congestion and it needed "tough decisions". Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing and we don't need tough decisions, we need smart decisions. The only thing more disgraceful than this botched misdescribed trial is that there was never any intention to lift the restriction. And even now the so called leadership are spinning their rubbish results to justify their actions, disgraceful. If it hadn't been for Mr Knapp's report York residents would have been burdened with this ideological nightmare. The real concern should be the abuse of power and position that has been exacted to create a nonsense solution to a manufactured problem so that personal ideologies can be realised. ****-ups of this magnitude should not be allowed to pass by without full public investigation and consequences for those responsible. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -72

10:57pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Igiveinthen says...

cas540 wrote:
Just watched Jimmy on look north news and he says fines won't be paid back to people.Also says bridge shouldn't be used until Saturday.
Surely the bridge should be accessible to all now.
Of course it is, he has to save face and still try to act as though he is in control, what a complete t**t, along with the rest of the mottley crew.
[quote][p][bold]cas540[/bold] wrote: Just watched Jimmy on look north news and he says fines won't be paid back to people.Also says bridge shouldn't be used until Saturday. Surely the bridge should be accessible to all now.[/p][/quote]Of course it is, he has to save face and still try to act as though he is in control, what a complete t**t, along with the rest of the mottley crew. Igiveinthen
  • Score: -84

11:00pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Just-a-moment says...

Take your pick:

From the Local Government Ombudsman website:
"Has the council done something wrong? (maladministration)"


The law says the Ombudsman can investigate alleged or apparent ‘maladministration
’ or service failure. This can include:

delay
incorrect action or failure to take any action
failure to follow procedures or the law
failure to provide information
inadequate record-keeping
failure to investigate
failure to reply
misleading or inaccurate statements
inadequate liaison
inadequate consultation
broken promises

The Ombudsman does not usually criticise a decision which has been properly taken simply because someone disagrees with it. We will however look at the way the decision was made.
Take your pick: From the Local Government Ombudsman website: "Has the council done something wrong? (maladministration)" The law says the Ombudsman can investigate alleged or apparent ‘maladministration ’ or service failure. This can include: delay incorrect action or failure to take any action failure to follow procedures or the law failure to provide information inadequate record-keeping failure to investigate failure to reply misleading or inaccurate statements inadequate liaison inadequate consultation broken promises The Ombudsman does not usually criticise a decision which has been properly taken simply because someone disagrees with it. We will however look at the way the decision was made. Just-a-moment
  • Score: -84

11:01pm Tue 8 Apr 14

yawn.. says...

..would it be going too far if we asked for Cllr Merrett's head on a pole displayed on top of Micklegate Bar..??
..would it be going too far if we asked for Cllr Merrett's head on a pole displayed on top of Micklegate Bar..?? yawn..
  • Score: -76

11:07pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Put'KettleOn says...

The Press must be devastated. What will they write about now.....
The Press must be devastated. What will they write about now..... Put'KettleOn
  • Score: -84

11:12pm Tue 8 Apr 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Igiveinthen wrote:
Back peddaling Alexander on Look North news, when asked if it had anything to do with the adjudicators findings that the bridge restrictions would now be axed, he replied no it was because they had listened to the feed back from businesses and residents, and he still claimed that the bridge restriction where legal.
Can't believe the c**p that comes out of this mans mouth!, completely and utterly arrogant.
Totally agree, best bit you won't get fined if you go over the bridge, but don't go over until Saturday. I was just waiting for Batman to jump out and KABAM the Riddler.
[quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: Back peddaling Alexander on Look North news, when asked if it had anything to do with the adjudicators findings that the bridge restrictions would now be axed, he replied no it was because they had listened to the feed back from businesses and residents, and he still claimed that the bridge restriction where legal. Can't believe the c**p that comes out of this mans mouth!, completely and utterly arrogant.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, best bit you won't get fined if you go over the bridge, but don't go over until Saturday. I was just waiting for Batman to jump out and KABAM the Riddler. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -83

11:13pm Tue 8 Apr 14

bolero says...

Whilst this is undoubtedly a good result, don't forget that most of these clowns voted the scheme in in the first place. Furthermore, this among other wasteful schemes have cost us the taxpayer a considerable sum of money which cannot be recouped. We have been conned, lied to and fleeced by a band of incompetent hoodlums led by a disgraceful James Alexander.
Whilst this is undoubtedly a good result, don't forget that most of these clowns voted the scheme in in the first place. Furthermore, this among other wasteful schemes have cost us the taxpayer a considerable sum of money which cannot be recouped. We have been conned, lied to and fleeced by a band of incompetent hoodlums led by a disgraceful James Alexander. bolero
  • Score: -61

11:17pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Got a life says...

May I offer postage stamps for resignation purposes to the leading idiots of this pathetic council, these would of course be SECOND CLASS!

Go ou you bunch of Muppets and do the decent thing!
May I offer postage stamps for resignation purposes to the leading idiots of this pathetic council, these would of course be SECOND CLASS! Go ou you bunch of Muppets and do the decent thing! Got a life
  • Score: -103

11:18pm Tue 8 Apr 14

strangebuttrue? says...

yawn.. wrote:
..would it be going too far if we asked for Cllr Merrett's head on a pole displayed on top of Micklegate Bar..??
Maybe. A simple letter will do as long as it says I resign.
[quote][p][bold]yawn..[/bold] wrote: ..would it be going too far if we asked for Cllr Merrett's head on a pole displayed on top of Micklegate Bar..??[/p][/quote]Maybe. A simple letter will do as long as it says I resign. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -79

11:34pm Tue 8 Apr 14

mickeytops says...

Is that idiot having a laugh, He has listened to businesses and the public.
The Council refused to listen to what Businesses had to say and refused to a meeting with local Businesses. Also it took all this time to finally listen to the public, only because there backsides were on the line to resign.
Are them idiots so deluded. Tell the truth, you have made a mistake and resign.
How is it that they can only open the bridge again at the weekend and not in the morning, and who is going to pay for all this mess???
Just resign, you are all acting as if you have done the people of York a favour. The reputation of York has been ruined, Business is down and to say buses have reduced in time, are you all deluded.
Is that idiot having a laugh, He has listened to businesses and the public. The Council refused to listen to what Businesses had to say and refused to a meeting with local Businesses. Also it took all this time to finally listen to the public, only because there backsides were on the line to resign. Are them idiots so deluded. Tell the truth, you have made a mistake and resign. How is it that they can only open the bridge again at the weekend and not in the morning, and who is going to pay for all this mess??? Just resign, you are all acting as if you have done the people of York a favour. The reputation of York has been ruined, Business is down and to say buses have reduced in time, are you all deluded. mickeytops
  • Score: -81

11:35pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Pinza-C55 says...

This isn't or rather shouldn't be over. Were the restrictions legal or not, and should the motorists who were fined be refunded?
If the council's mysterious "legal advice" was so convincing, why didn't they follow it?
This isn't or rather shouldn't be over. Were the restrictions legal or not, and should the motorists who were fined be refunded? If the council's mysterious "legal advice" was so convincing, why didn't they follow it? Pinza-C55
  • Score: -83

11:36pm Tue 8 Apr 14

mickeytops says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
One councillor, who did not wish to be named, said: “If we continue with this, we will lose the next election”.


Labour will lose the next council election, irrespective of this vote.

Alexander, Merrett and Simpson-Laing have made them unelectable !
And that is a true statement, it is only the Labour prat that has voted to put a minus vote on your comment.
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote] One councillor, who did not wish to be named, said: “If we continue with this, we will lose the next election”. [/quote] Labour will lose the next council election, irrespective of this vote. Alexander, Merrett and Simpson-Laing have made them unelectable ![/p][/quote]And that is a true statement, it is only the Labour prat that has voted to put a minus vote on your comment. mickeytops
  • Score: -168

11:36pm Tue 8 Apr 14

ZachCohen says...

bolero wrote:
That result is as good as an election result. Labour OUT.






Score +10000
This has got a score of -20000 in 2 hours.

That is 10000 minus scores an hour. Which is 166.7 minus scores a minute. Which is one minus score every 2.7 seconds.

Surely this is a new record for the website or someone is hacking the scores.
[quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: That result is as good as an election result. Labour OUT. Score +10000[/p][/quote]This has got a score of -20000 in 2 hours. That is 10000 minus scores an hour. Which is 166.7 minus scores a minute. Which is one minus score every 2.7 seconds. Surely this is a new record for the website or someone is hacking the scores. ZachCohen
  • Score: -188

11:43pm Tue 8 Apr 14

ZachCohen says...

Also didn't they say earlier this week that no fines would be issued until further notice.
Which means that although the 'trial' doesn't finish until Saturday you won't be fined for going over before.
Also didn't they say earlier this week that no fines would be issued until further notice. Which means that although the 'trial' doesn't finish until Saturday you won't be fined for going over before. ZachCohen
  • Score: -209

11:50pm Tue 8 Apr 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

And what does the 6th May decision mean now? I might have to apologise to jonthon by default.
I like the idea that JA says; we have listened! Yes, but not to residents and business but to the man who said they were illegal.
Still, at least we will get our bridge back. Just don't let em take it again!
And what does the 6th May decision mean now? I might have to apologise to jonthon by default. I like the idea that JA says; we have listened! Yes, but not to residents and business but to the man who said they were illegal. Still, at least we will get our bridge back. Just don't let em take it again! ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: -192

11:53pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Pitbull Terry says...

mickeytops wrote:
Is that idiot having a laugh, He has listened to businesses and the public.
The Council refused to listen to what Businesses had to say and refused to a meeting with local Businesses. Also it took all this time to finally listen to the public, only because there backsides were on the line to resign.
Are them idiots so deluded. Tell the truth, you have made a mistake and resign.
How is it that they can only open the bridge again at the weekend and not in the morning, and who is going to pay for all this mess???
Just resign, you are all acting as if you have done the people of York a favour. The reputation of York has been ruined, Business is down and to say buses have reduced in time, are you all deluded.
Like I said earlier, trying to save face. Idiot!
[quote][p][bold]mickeytops[/bold] wrote: Is that idiot having a laugh, He has listened to businesses and the public. The Council refused to listen to what Businesses had to say and refused to a meeting with local Businesses. Also it took all this time to finally listen to the public, only because there backsides were on the line to resign. Are them idiots so deluded. Tell the truth, you have made a mistake and resign. How is it that they can only open the bridge again at the weekend and not in the morning, and who is going to pay for all this mess??? Just resign, you are all acting as if you have done the people of York a favour. The reputation of York has been ruined, Business is down and to say buses have reduced in time, are you all deluded.[/p][/quote]Like I said earlier, trying to save face. Idiot! Pitbull Terry
  • Score: -207

11:53pm Tue 8 Apr 14

alky-wtf says...

Is now a good time for a laugh? http://www.yorkpress
.co.uk/features/feat
ures/9022981.James_A
lexander_wants_to_sh
ake_things_up/
Is now a good time for a laugh? http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/features/feat ures/9022981.James_A lexander_wants_to_sh ake_things_up/ alky-wtf
  • Score: -189

11:55pm Tue 8 Apr 14

mel_drew says...

ZachCohen wrote:
bolero wrote:
That result is as good as an election result. Labour OUT.






Score +10000
This has got a score of -20000 in 2 hours.

That is 10000 minus scores an hour. Which is 166.7 minus scores a minute. Which is one minus score every 2.7 seconds.

Surely this is a new record for the website or someone is hacking the scores.
Hacking the scores? You reckon? Surely not.
[quote][p][bold]ZachCohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: That result is as good as an election result. Labour OUT. Score +10000[/p][/quote]This has got a score of -20000 in 2 hours. That is 10000 minus scores an hour. Which is 166.7 minus scores a minute. Which is one minus score every 2.7 seconds. Surely this is a new record for the website or someone is hacking the scores.[/p][/quote]Hacking the scores? You reckon? Surely not. mel_drew
  • Score: -211

12:16am Wed 9 Apr 14

Woody G Mellor says...

mel_drew wrote:
ZachCohen wrote:
bolero wrote:
That result is as good as an election result. Labour OUT.






Score +10000
This has got a score of -20000 in 2 hours.

That is 10000 minus scores an hour. Which is 166.7 minus scores a minute. Which is one minus score every 2.7 seconds.

Surely this is a new record for the website or someone is hacking the scores.
Hacking the scores? You reckon? Surely not.
Yup! And the sad twit is still at it, even though he knows he has well and truly lost!

Thats dedication for ya!
[quote][p][bold]mel_drew[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZachCohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: That result is as good as an election result. Labour OUT. Score +10000[/p][/quote]This has got a score of -20000 in 2 hours. That is 10000 minus scores an hour. Which is 166.7 minus scores a minute. Which is one minus score every 2.7 seconds. Surely this is a new record for the website or someone is hacking the scores.[/p][/quote]Hacking the scores? You reckon? Surely not.[/p][/quote]Yup! And the sad twit is still at it, even though he knows he has well and truly lost! Thats dedication for ya! Woody G Mellor
  • Score: -186

12:29am Wed 9 Apr 14

WhyEver says...

So to sum up:

Coun Alexander takes the credit for lifting the closure, saying "We've listened" and "I've looked at the results". Even though for the past 8 months he's said the results will show closure is a success, and it's the cabinet who decide these things.

Coun Merrett says the closure is lifted because of public opinion, doesn't mention they stopped issuing fines a month ago, and suggests this is a good outcome because they could have just introduced a permanent closure. He'll be resigning if the council don't win their appeal against the traffic commissioner, regardless.

Opposition politicians are going to make as much noise as possible now because they've lost the chance to debate the issue at council meetings.

And the residents of York just shake their heads in disbelief.
So to sum up: Coun Alexander takes the credit for lifting the closure, saying "We've listened" and "I've looked at the results". Even though for the past 8 months he's said the results will show closure is a success, and it's the cabinet who decide these things. Coun Merrett says the closure is lifted because of public opinion, doesn't mention they stopped issuing fines a month ago, and suggests this is a good outcome because they could have just introduced a permanent closure. He'll be resigning if the council don't win their appeal against the traffic commissioner, regardless. Opposition politicians are going to make as much noise as possible now because they've lost the chance to debate the issue at council meetings. And the residents of York just shake their heads in disbelief. WhyEver
  • Score: -158

2:33am Wed 9 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

Coun. Dave Merrett:
“The Lendal Bridge trial does not stand in isolation of the other measures we are taking to combat congestion through delivering new park and rides, facilitating improvements to bus services and pursuing an upgrade to the outer ring road.
"Transport schemes can often be complex and controversial. The decision to re-open the restriction in light of the public feedback shows why were right to undertake a trial rather than seeking to move straight to permanent implementation.”


Unbelieveable arrogance!

He is saying that public opinion justified the trial, rather than immediate closure without a trial.

This is a false comparison, and is wrong.

An immediate closure would have been the action of a dictatorship, and totally wrong. This was never an option.

A trial without consultation, prior to moving to a trial, is also wrong.

The point is, the public never wanted the trial in the first place, and putting them/us through it was wrong. The trial was botched because 53,000 were fined arguably illegally, and Merrett is culpable. He should still resign.

This is a cop out. The trial was wrong, and Merrett was wrong. He no longer has any credibility, and is unfit to stay in his role. He must resign.
[quote] Coun. Dave Merrett: “The Lendal Bridge trial does not stand in isolation of the other measures we are taking to combat congestion through delivering new park and rides, facilitating improvements to bus services and pursuing an upgrade to the outer ring road. "Transport schemes can often be complex and controversial. The decision to re-open the restriction in light of the public feedback shows why were right to undertake a trial rather than seeking to move straight to permanent implementation.” [/quote] Unbelieveable arrogance! He is saying that public opinion justified the trial, rather than immediate closure without a trial. This is a false comparison, and is wrong. An immediate closure would have been the action of a dictatorship, and totally wrong. This was never an option. A trial without consultation, prior to moving to a trial, is also wrong. The point is, the public never wanted the trial in the first place, and putting them/us through it was wrong. The trial was botched because 53,000 were fined arguably illegally, and Merrett is culpable. He should still resign. This is a cop out. The trial was wrong, and Merrett was wrong. He no longer has any credibility, and is unfit to stay in his role. He must resign. Badgers Drift
  • Score: -193

3:50am Wed 9 Apr 14

Evil Ena says...

nearlyman wrote:
Alexander has just lied through his teeth on Look north....claiming that it was re opening because the council have listened to businesses and residents !!!!
...........So Pinocchio, 'what was all that last month about keeping the restrictions in place for a further three months to assess the impact of the scheme ???' Looks like the assessment must have been fast tracked. Liar , Liar, Liar. Resign now before your colleagues unseat you for gross incompetence.
I remember how James Alexander listened to York businesses when he tried to sell the Coach park off.
He Polarised opinion then between himself/Ripon and St Johns against the rest of the city's populace.
[quote][p][bold]nearlyman[/bold] wrote: Alexander has just lied through his teeth on Look north....claiming that it was re opening because the council have listened to businesses and residents !!!! ...........So Pinocchio, 'what was all that last month about keeping the restrictions in place for a further three months to assess the impact of the scheme ???' Looks like the assessment must have been fast tracked. Liar , Liar, Liar. Resign now before your colleagues unseat you for gross incompetence.[/p][/quote]I remember how James Alexander listened to York businesses when he tried to sell the Coach park off. He Polarised opinion then between himself/Ripon and St Johns against the rest of the city's populace. Evil Ena
  • Score: -181

4:43am Wed 9 Apr 14

pedalling paul says...

It matters not where you queue in traffic next week. I'll still sail past you on my bike.
JA and DM are quite right to point out that congestion will not go away. Whoever runs York from 2015 will have to face it and manage it, politically unpopular though it be.
A cross party scrutiny committee is perhaps the best next step . Theft might examine the change of preferred bridge closure from Ouse to Lendal.
ANPR law must be changed or clarified, so that the technology can be used by all Local Authorities. Our City's MP's and the Local Govt. Association must be brought in to support this, and put Mr Loopholes out of business.
Artificial priority for the most efficient users of road capacity must remain part of the long term solution
.We all know what the alternative will be for our descendants.
It matters not where you queue in traffic next week. I'll still sail past you on my bike. JA and DM are quite right to point out that congestion will not go away. Whoever runs York from 2015 will have to face it and manage it, politically unpopular though it be. A cross party scrutiny committee is perhaps the best next step . Theft might examine the change of preferred bridge closure from Ouse to Lendal. ANPR law must be changed or clarified, so that the technology can be used by all Local Authorities. Our City's MP's and the Local Govt. Association must be brought in to support this, and put Mr Loopholes out of business. Artificial priority for the most efficient users of road capacity must remain part of the long term solution .We all know what the alternative will be for our descendants. pedalling paul
  • Score: 25

5:08am Wed 9 Apr 14

anistasia says...

Semi victory for public still intends getting car registration numbers so if bridge closure found legal you'll get a fine sent through the post.but how can the council do this if it's axed so should any further action the council can't have it both ways.but damage done bye bye labour council next election time.too little too late.
Semi victory for public still intends getting car registration numbers so if bridge closure found legal you'll get a fine sent through the post.but how can the council do this if it's axed so should any further action the council can't have it both ways.but damage done bye bye labour council next election time.too little too late. anistasia
  • Score: -87

5:29am Wed 9 Apr 14

Osbaldwick Lad says...

At next year in election year can we please have our green bins collected in winter?
At next year in election year can we please have our green bins collected in winter? Osbaldwick Lad
  • Score: -143

6:52am Wed 9 Apr 14

The Analyst says...

What an absolute disgrace and embarrassment to the people of York - the current Council are a shambles and I have no confidence in them whatsoever!! Your days are numbered!!
What an absolute disgrace and embarrassment to the people of York - the current Council are a shambles and I have no confidence in them whatsoever!! Your days are numbered!! The Analyst
  • Score: -138

7:00am Wed 9 Apr 14

oi oi savaloy says...

pedalling paul wrote:
It matters not where you queue in traffic next week. I'll still sail past you on my bike.
JA and DM are quite right to point out that congestion will not go away. Whoever runs York from 2015 will have to face it and manage it, politically unpopular though it be.
A cross party scrutiny committee is perhaps the best next step . Theft might examine the change of preferred bridge closure from Ouse to Lendal.
ANPR law must be changed or clarified, so that the technology can be used by all Local Authorities. Our City's MP's and the Local Govt. Association must be brought in to support this, and put Mr Loopholes out of business.
Artificial priority for the most efficient users of road capacity must remain part of the long term solution
.We all know what the alternative will be for our descendants.
you really are a clueless muppet!!

"It matters not where you queue in traffic next week."

john lewis opens this week, do you think the employee's will use public transport or bike's to get there?? answer is no, a number of reasons public transport is overpriced and rubbish, it's too far to cycle for employee's coming from leeds and malton etc.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: It matters not where you queue in traffic next week. I'll still sail past you on my bike. JA and DM are quite right to point out that congestion will not go away. Whoever runs York from 2015 will have to face it and manage it, politically unpopular though it be. A cross party scrutiny committee is perhaps the best next step . Theft might examine the change of preferred bridge closure from Ouse to Lendal. ANPR law must be changed or clarified, so that the technology can be used by all Local Authorities. Our City's MP's and the Local Govt. Association must be brought in to support this, and put Mr Loopholes out of business. Artificial priority for the most efficient users of road capacity must remain part of the long term solution .We all know what the alternative will be for our descendants.[/p][/quote]you really are a clueless muppet!! "It matters not where you queue in traffic next week." john lewis opens this week, do you think the employee's will use public transport or bike's to get there?? answer is no, a number of reasons public transport is overpriced and rubbish, it's too far to cycle for employee's coming from leeds and malton etc. oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -130

7:12am Wed 9 Apr 14

Cheeky face says...

I still await replies to my complaints from August 2013, and one earlier (2011).

Coppergate signage probably needs rewording and the advance signs should quote the times; and be better positioned.

Nearly all my concerns from August 2013 appear to be backed by the report.
from the adjudicator. He visited on 19.2.2014 and had two CofY employees with him. AT THAT POINT THEY WERE MADE AWARE OF THE LIKELY CRITICISM IN THE REPORT OF 28.3.2014. The council did not provide requested info for the adjudicator, that being a 5 week delay, all of their own making!

Paul' s right we have now to witness plan B. Must have a tablet, can;'t envisage that at all!

York must have it all tidied up by Easter, and the for the cycle race. Is Paul competing!

THEY HAVE NEVER REPLIED PROPERLY TO OUR CONCERNS IF THEY WERE CONSIDERED BY THEM TO BE NEGATIVE.
No further questions your honour!
I still await replies to my complaints from August 2013, and one earlier (2011). Coppergate signage probably needs rewording and the advance signs should quote the times; and be better positioned. Nearly all my concerns from August 2013 appear to be backed by the report. from the adjudicator. He visited on 19.2.2014 and had two CofY employees with him. AT THAT POINT THEY WERE MADE AWARE OF THE LIKELY CRITICISM IN THE REPORT OF 28.3.2014. The council did not provide requested info for the adjudicator, that being a 5 week delay, all of their own making! Paul' s right we have now to witness plan B. Must have a tablet, can;'t envisage that at all! York must have it all tidied up by Easter, and the for the cycle race. Is Paul competing! THEY HAVE NEVER REPLIED PROPERLY TO OUR CONCERNS IF THEY WERE CONSIDERED BY THEM TO BE NEGATIVE. No further questions your honour! Cheeky face
  • Score: -113

7:21am Wed 9 Apr 14

Igiveinthen says...

pedalling paul wrote:
It matters not where you queue in traffic next week. I'll still sail past you on my bike.
JA and DM are quite right to point out that congestion will not go away. Whoever runs York from 2015 will have to face it and manage it, politically unpopular though it be.
A cross party scrutiny committee is perhaps the best next step . Theft might examine the change of preferred bridge closure from Ouse to Lendal.
ANPR law must be changed or clarified, so that the technology can be used by all Local Authorities. Our City's MP's and the Local Govt. Association must be brought in to support this, and put Mr Loopholes out of business.
Artificial priority for the most efficient users of road capacity must remain part of the long term solution
.We all know what the alternative will be for our descendants.
Like your labour council friends you have had your nose put out of joint, but you will still spout your rhetoric about cars, the majority have been seen to be right in what they were saying, I agree there has to be a solution to congestion in the City, but this council went about it the wrong way and got every ones back up apart from you and a minority of 'others'.
As for ANPR cameras, they are a good thing only when used in a correct and legal manner, I am grateful to the Goverment Adjudicator who has correctly identified that their usage was illegal.
Let us hope that the council has learned a lesson and will think twice and consult the electorate before trying to introduce radicle ideas during the remainder of their limited time in office.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: It matters not where you queue in traffic next week. I'll still sail past you on my bike. JA and DM are quite right to point out that congestion will not go away. Whoever runs York from 2015 will have to face it and manage it, politically unpopular though it be. A cross party scrutiny committee is perhaps the best next step . Theft might examine the change of preferred bridge closure from Ouse to Lendal. ANPR law must be changed or clarified, so that the technology can be used by all Local Authorities. Our City's MP's and the Local Govt. Association must be brought in to support this, and put Mr Loopholes out of business. Artificial priority for the most efficient users of road capacity must remain part of the long term solution .We all know what the alternative will be for our descendants.[/p][/quote]Like your labour council friends you have had your nose put out of joint, but you will still spout your rhetoric about cars, the majority have been seen to be right in what they were saying, I agree there has to be a solution to congestion in the City, but this council went about it the wrong way and got every ones back up apart from you and a minority of 'others'. As for ANPR cameras, they are a good thing only when used in a correct and legal manner, I am grateful to the Goverment Adjudicator who has correctly identified that their usage was illegal. Let us hope that the council has learned a lesson and will think twice and consult the electorate before trying to introduce radicle ideas during the remainder of their limited time in office. Igiveinthen
  • Score: -213

7:56am Wed 9 Apr 14

alswales says...

Please remove my name I never intended to comment on this issue but the right decision has been made. The persons who authorised that ridiculous cycle track to nowhere are the ones who should resign.
Please remove my name I never intended to comment on this issue but the right decision has been made. The persons who authorised that ridiculous cycle track to nowhere are the ones who should resign. alswales
  • Score: -180

7:59am Wed 9 Apr 14

MrsHoney says...

If they want to do something about congestion and encourage people onto public transport then get rid of First and have a public not private transport system. One that actually goes to and from the places people want to go to, at frequent useful times, until a reasonable time at night and with bus drivers who aren't grumpy and abusive! Until then people who drive will not be persuaded out of their cars because the alternative is too inconvenient and unpalatable!
If they want to do something about congestion and encourage people onto public transport then get rid of First and have a public not private transport system. One that actually goes to and from the places people want to go to, at frequent useful times, until a reasonable time at night and with bus drivers who aren't grumpy and abusive! Until then people who drive will not be persuaded out of their cars because the alternative is too inconvenient and unpalatable! MrsHoney
  • Score: -249

8:03am Wed 9 Apr 14

Kevin Turvey says...

To the good people of York:

Excellent news and it shows what people pressure, the checks and balances of public scrutiny can do.

I want to thank all the people who like me have constantly challenged this issue on here and direct to the council.

I would also like to thank the Press for being a local paper again, standing up for York residents and it has made a difference.

Councillor Little Jimmy ‘Lend me a tenner’ Alexander resign now.
Councillor Ferret resign now.
Councillor Simply Very Wrong resign now.

You are a disgrace to democracy, your party and to the people you purport to serve.

We as residents shall ensure that you never are let loose on the public again, you are completely unelectable in this city by your own hand.

We have seen your attempts at squealing out of your responsibility of this fiasco and it has been an unpleasant experience for us all to see the duplicitous nature of local politicians behaving in this way.

As individuals and as a collective you are unfit to serve in any public capacity.

I was glad to see the nick names I created stick on this forum.

I am also looking forward to seeing the culprits drummed out of office and hopefully suitably tarred and feathered.

Well done York residents for not putting up with these misuses of power.
I hope it spurs others on to get involved in local politics and not stick to the mainstream parties or at least complain, shout, scream, scrutinise and challenge these attention seeking selfish morons.
There are other options whatever your wing!

When all the 3 resignation have been accepted my work here will have been done.

However next time my city needs me I shall return!

Yours
Kevin Turvey
To the good people of York: Excellent news and it shows what people pressure, the checks and balances of public scrutiny can do. I want to thank all the people who like me have constantly challenged this issue on here and direct to the council. I would also like to thank the Press for being a local paper again, standing up for York residents and it has made a difference. Councillor Little Jimmy ‘Lend me a tenner’ Alexander resign now. Councillor Ferret resign now. Councillor Simply Very Wrong resign now. You are a disgrace to democracy, your party and to the people you purport to serve. We as residents shall ensure that you never are let loose on the public again, you are completely unelectable in this city by your own hand. We have seen your attempts at squealing out of your responsibility of this fiasco and it has been an unpleasant experience for us all to see the duplicitous nature of local politicians behaving in this way. As individuals and as a collective you are unfit to serve in any public capacity. I was glad to see the nick names I created stick on this forum. I am also looking forward to seeing the culprits drummed out of office and hopefully suitably tarred and feathered. Well done York residents for not putting up with these misuses of power. I hope it spurs others on to get involved in local politics and not stick to the mainstream parties or at least complain, shout, scream, scrutinise and challenge these attention seeking selfish morons. There are other options whatever your wing! When all the 3 resignation have been accepted my work here will have been done. However next time my city needs me I shall return! Yours Kevin Turvey Kevin Turvey
  • Score: -185

8:18am Wed 9 Apr 14

supporting the news says...

Yorks councillors get it wrong again! years of miss management by our beloved elected councillors. little people with little minds.
Sadley no one better they are all the same!!!
Yorks councillors get it wrong again! years of miss management by our beloved elected councillors. little people with little minds. Sadley no one better they are all the same!!! supporting the news
  • Score: -178

8:23am Wed 9 Apr 14

andy fowler says...

ALEXANDER OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!
MERRETT OUT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!
Total incompetence, don't wait for elections, resign NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!
ALEXANDER OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! MERRETT OUT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!! Total incompetence, don't wait for elections, resign NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! andy fowler
  • Score: -145

8:33am Wed 9 Apr 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Just heard James Alexander say that there will be no immediate boost to business following the lifting of the restriction on Lendal.

Yet another red herring, John Lewis opens this week and have already made clear the impact they expect to see on the City Centre Economy.

What's the next spin, Lendal opened, reduced footfall, reduced spend, get real, Labour delivered the blow when it approved the expansion of Monks Cross.
Just heard James Alexander say that there will be no immediate boost to business following the lifting of the restriction on Lendal. Yet another red herring, John Lewis opens this week and have already made clear the impact they expect to see on the City Centre Economy. What's the next spin, Lendal opened, reduced footfall, reduced spend, get real, Labour delivered the blow when it approved the expansion of Monks Cross. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -109

8:35am Wed 9 Apr 14

level-headed says...

pedalling paul wrote:
It matters not where you queue in traffic next week. I'll still sail past you on my bike.
JA and DM are quite right to point out that congestion will not go away. Whoever runs York from 2015 will have to face it and manage it, politically unpopular though it be.
A cross party scrutiny committee is perhaps the best next step . Theft might examine the change of preferred bridge closure from Ouse to Lendal.
ANPR law must be changed or clarified, so that the technology can be used by all Local Authorities. Our City's MP's and the Local Govt. Association must be brought in to support this, and put Mr Loopholes out of business.
Artificial priority for the most efficient users of road capacity must remain part of the long term solution
.We all know what the alternative will be for our descendants.
You're absolutely right Paul - where I queue in traffic next week, next month or next year doesn't matter to me in the slightest because it will be the same places that it's been happening for the last 30 years in York.

Why do people get so frightened of traffic queues, and start using such dramatic terms like 'choking' and 'gridlock'. I can still drive from Strensall into the city centre at any time of day in about 25 minutes, as opposed to about an hour fannying about waiting for bus which then stops at every stop for one person to get on or off. Of course the roads will be busy at certain times of day - just like supermarkets or pubs will be, but the city centre isn't quick sand that you disappear into forever if you try to drive through it. You might be held up for 10-15 minutes but so what? You just build it in to your journey time as necessary.

If you want to cycle, that's fine and no-one cares. If you're cycling anyway, why do you constantly chunter about queues? And just for the record, this doesn't make me 'car-dependent' which is another completely misused term amongst the eco-warriors. That would suggest that I was addicted or had no other options. I have loads of options but the one I choose, work to pay for and above all SUITS ME is to drive a car. On that basis, I object to being told by others how I should travel.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: It matters not where you queue in traffic next week. I'll still sail past you on my bike. JA and DM are quite right to point out that congestion will not go away. Whoever runs York from 2015 will have to face it and manage it, politically unpopular though it be. A cross party scrutiny committee is perhaps the best next step . Theft might examine the change of preferred bridge closure from Ouse to Lendal. ANPR law must be changed or clarified, so that the technology can be used by all Local Authorities. Our City's MP's and the Local Govt. Association must be brought in to support this, and put Mr Loopholes out of business. Artificial priority for the most efficient users of road capacity must remain part of the long term solution .We all know what the alternative will be for our descendants.[/p][/quote]You're absolutely right Paul - where I queue in traffic next week, next month or next year doesn't matter to me in the slightest because it will be the same places that it's been happening for the last 30 years in York. Why do people get so frightened of traffic queues, and start using such dramatic terms like 'choking' and 'gridlock'. I can still drive from Strensall into the city centre at any time of day in about 25 minutes, as opposed to about an hour fannying about waiting for bus which then stops at every stop for one person to get on or off. Of course the roads will be busy at certain times of day - just like supermarkets or pubs will be, but the city centre isn't quick sand that you disappear into forever if you try to drive through it. You might be held up for 10-15 minutes but so what? You just build it in to your journey time as necessary. If you want to cycle, that's fine and no-one cares. If you're cycling anyway, why do you constantly chunter about queues? And just for the record, this doesn't make me 'car-dependent' which is another completely misused term amongst the eco-warriors. That would suggest that I was addicted or had no other options. I have loads of options but the one I choose, work to pay for and above all SUITS ME is to drive a car. On that basis, I object to being told by others how I should travel. level-headed
  • Score: -51

8:36am Wed 9 Apr 14

pedalling paul says...

MrsHoney wrote:
If they want to do something about congestion and encourage people onto public transport then get rid of First and have a public not private transport system. One that actually goes to and from the places people want to go to, at frequent useful times, until a reasonable time at night and with bus drivers who aren't grumpy and abusive! Until then people who drive will not be persuaded out of their cars because the alternative is too inconvenient and unpalatable!
It was Thatcher's Tory government who deregulated the bus industry so please blame them for many of York's bus travel ills. CoYC is working to the best that current legislation allowed, through the Better Bus Partnership, which involves all York's operators. Government funding is currently being sought for a range of improvements. http://www.itravelyo
rk.info/buses/about-
buses-in-york/projec
ts/

To Igiveinthens earlier comment of "As for ANPR cameras, they are a good thing only when used in a correct and legal manner, I am grateful to the Goverment Adjudicator who has correctly identified that their usage was illegal."

The word "allegedly" might usefully be added before "Illegal". There is a legal challenge being prepared which has wide implications for ANPR useage by Local Authorities country-wide. Don't count your chickens mon ami........

And before anyone accuses me again of being anti-car, that does not automatically follow from being pro-pedal power. I'd love to see blue badge holders being able to drive round York without their way being repeatedly blocked by single occupancy, short distance car commuters.
[quote][p][bold]MrsHoney[/bold] wrote: If they want to do something about congestion and encourage people onto public transport then get rid of First and have a public not private transport system. One that actually goes to and from the places people want to go to, at frequent useful times, until a reasonable time at night and with bus drivers who aren't grumpy and abusive! Until then people who drive will not be persuaded out of their cars because the alternative is too inconvenient and unpalatable![/p][/quote]It was Thatcher's Tory government who deregulated the bus industry so please blame them for many of York's bus travel ills. CoYC is working to the best that current legislation allowed, through the Better Bus Partnership, which involves all York's operators. Government funding is currently being sought for a range of improvements. http://www.itravelyo rk.info/buses/about- buses-in-york/projec ts/ To Igiveinthens earlier comment of "As for ANPR cameras, they are a good thing only when used in a correct and legal manner, I am grateful to the Goverment Adjudicator who has correctly identified that their usage was illegal." The word "allegedly" might usefully be added before "Illegal". There is a legal challenge being prepared which has wide implications for ANPR useage by Local Authorities country-wide. Don't count your chickens mon ami........ And before anyone accuses me again of being anti-car, that does not automatically follow from being pro-pedal power. I'd love to see blue badge holders being able to drive round York without their way being repeatedly blocked by single occupancy, short distance car commuters. pedalling paul
  • Score: 70

8:41am Wed 9 Apr 14

poorlyduck says...

So Alexander has said those who were fined won't get their money back? No doubt we'll be seeing many more appeals against the fines, given last week's traffic ruling. And no doubt the council will appeal each one. Which means we will be footing the bill for additional legal costs on top of everything else we're having to pay for as a result of this debacle.

And like many in this city who've been die-hard Labour voters all their lives I too will be withdrawing my support next year, much as it grieves me to do so. There comes a time when the issues far outweigh the politics and it's huge shame that the Labour Group hasn't realised that until now.
So Alexander has said those who were fined won't get their money back? No doubt we'll be seeing many more appeals against the fines, given last week's traffic ruling. And no doubt the council will appeal each one. Which means we will be footing the bill for additional legal costs on top of everything else we're having to pay for as a result of this debacle. And like many in this city who've been die-hard Labour voters all their lives I too will be withdrawing my support next year, much as it grieves me to do so. There comes a time when the issues far outweigh the politics and it's huge shame that the Labour Group hasn't realised that until now. poorlyduck
  • Score: -115

8:41am Wed 9 Apr 14

Fat Harry says...

Calm down dears, it's only a U-turn.
Calm down dears, it's only a U-turn. Fat Harry
  • Score: -181

8:42am Wed 9 Apr 14

chelk says...

pedalling paul wrote:
It matters not where you queue in traffic next week. I'll still sail past you on my bike.
JA and DM are quite right to point out that congestion will not go away. Whoever runs York from 2015 will have to face it and manage it, politically unpopular though it be.
A cross party scrutiny committee is perhaps the best next step . Theft might examine the change of preferred bridge closure from Ouse to Lendal.
ANPR law must be changed or clarified, so that the technology can be used by all Local Authorities. Our City's MP's and the Local Govt. Association must be brought in to support this, and put Mr Loopholes out of business.
Artificial priority for the most efficient users of road capacity must remain part of the long term solution
.We all know what the alternative will be for our descendants.
If you really want to be Green and cut pollution Get off your bike and walk, the carbon footprint in making your bike tyres and all the other attachments, transporting it then making all that special gear you ride in is massive. On another note most people agree traffic needs to be looked at but it is how you do this, it should be by consultation not as you would like dictatorship.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: It matters not where you queue in traffic next week. I'll still sail past you on my bike. JA and DM are quite right to point out that congestion will not go away. Whoever runs York from 2015 will have to face it and manage it, politically unpopular though it be. A cross party scrutiny committee is perhaps the best next step . Theft might examine the change of preferred bridge closure from Ouse to Lendal. ANPR law must be changed or clarified, so that the technology can be used by all Local Authorities. Our City's MP's and the Local Govt. Association must be brought in to support this, and put Mr Loopholes out of business. Artificial priority for the most efficient users of road capacity must remain part of the long term solution .We all know what the alternative will be for our descendants.[/p][/quote]If you really want to be Green and cut pollution Get off your bike and walk, the carbon footprint in making your bike tyres and all the other attachments, transporting it then making all that special gear you ride in is massive. On another note most people agree traffic needs to be looked at but it is how you do this, it should be by consultation not as you would like dictatorship. chelk
  • Score: -92

8:44am Wed 9 Apr 14

nearlyman says...

Just out of interest....What do the Greens have to say about all of this...........I am sure that if they had their way much more of York would be 'restricted access ' ??
You have gone very quiet on this matter Green party.
Politics of the real world...............
....
Just out of interest....What do the Greens have to say about all of this...........I am sure that if they had their way much more of York would be 'restricted access ' ?? You have gone very quiet on this matter Green party. Politics of the real world............... .... nearlyman
  • Score: -61

8:47am Wed 9 Apr 14

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

pedalling paul wrote:
MrsHoney wrote:
If they want to do something about congestion and encourage people onto public transport then get rid of First and have a public not private transport system. One that actually goes to and from the places people want to go to, at frequent useful times, until a reasonable time at night and with bus drivers who aren't grumpy and abusive! Until then people who drive will not be persuaded out of their cars because the alternative is too inconvenient and unpalatable!
It was Thatcher's Tory government who deregulated the bus industry so please blame them for many of York's bus travel ills. CoYC is working to the best that current legislation allowed, through the Better Bus Partnership, which involves all York's operators. Government funding is currently being sought for a range of improvements. http://www.itravelyo

rk.info/buses/about-

buses-in-york/projec

ts/

To Igiveinthens earlier comment of "As for ANPR cameras, they are a good thing only when used in a correct and legal manner, I am grateful to the Goverment Adjudicator who has correctly identified that their usage was illegal."

The word "allegedly" might usefully be added before "Illegal". There is a legal challenge being prepared which has wide implications for ANPR useage by Local Authorities country-wide. Don't count your chickens mon ami........

And before anyone accuses me again of being anti-car, that does not automatically follow from being pro-pedal power. I'd love to see blue badge holders being able to drive round York without their way being repeatedly blocked by single occupancy, short distance car commuters.
I find it funny that your mystic traffic guru's who have to look decades into the future to predict traffic flow didn't see this one coming.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsHoney[/bold] wrote: If they want to do something about congestion and encourage people onto public transport then get rid of First and have a public not private transport system. One that actually goes to and from the places people want to go to, at frequent useful times, until a reasonable time at night and with bus drivers who aren't grumpy and abusive! Until then people who drive will not be persuaded out of their cars because the alternative is too inconvenient and unpalatable![/p][/quote]It was Thatcher's Tory government who deregulated the bus industry so please blame them for many of York's bus travel ills. CoYC is working to the best that current legislation allowed, through the Better Bus Partnership, which involves all York's operators. Government funding is currently being sought for a range of improvements. http://www.itravelyo rk.info/buses/about- buses-in-york/projec ts/ To Igiveinthens earlier comment of "As for ANPR cameras, they are a good thing only when used in a correct and legal manner, I am grateful to the Goverment Adjudicator who has correctly identified that their usage was illegal." The word "allegedly" might usefully be added before "Illegal". There is a legal challenge being prepared which has wide implications for ANPR useage by Local Authorities country-wide. Don't count your chickens mon ami........ And before anyone accuses me again of being anti-car, that does not automatically follow from being pro-pedal power. I'd love to see blue badge holders being able to drive round York without their way being repeatedly blocked by single occupancy, short distance car commuters.[/p][/quote]I find it funny that your mystic traffic guru's who have to look decades into the future to predict traffic flow didn't see this one coming. NoNewsIsGoodNews
  • Score: -284

8:53am Wed 9 Apr 14

SilentMajor I.T. says...

Please edit typos and clarify confusing last paragreaph.
Please edit typos and clarify confusing last paragreaph. SilentMajor I.T.
  • Score: -366

9:10am Wed 9 Apr 14

Eric Olthwaite says...

Peddling Paul:
What are views on your fellow cyclists misbehaviours caught on camera?

http://www.yorkpress
.co.uk/news/11134564
.Video_shows_cyclist
s__blunders_in_York/


Do you not speak for cyclists?

Or is it only the ones you want to speak for?

Obviously cycling is not shown in the best light in this footage, what are the steps being taken within the cycling community to alter individuals behaviours to the positive from the negative ones shown?

I would argue the footage shows an own goal for cycling in this city with many road traffic offences being shown.

Only the other day I came across a cyclist riding the wrong way up a one way street in this city putting his life and my own at danger and when verbally challenged by myself on the issue I was verbally abused – nice attitude.
Next time I will not be so polite!

Sort your own out first before attempting to dictate to individuals of how they travel around this city!


Can you do us all a big favour Paul?

When the restrictions on Lendal Bridge are removed on Saturday can you please never ever spout your pro cycling dogma/diatribe ever again on this forum.

You had your choice and you have been proved to be wrong, so have the grace to leave it alone.

Although I suspect that your obsession will not let it lie.
Peddling Paul: What are views on your fellow cyclists misbehaviours caught on camera? http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/11134564 .Video_shows_cyclist s__blunders_in_York/ Do you not speak for cyclists? Or is it only the ones you want to speak for? Obviously cycling is not shown in the best light in this footage, what are the steps being taken within the cycling community to alter individuals behaviours to the positive from the negative ones shown? I would argue the footage shows an own goal for cycling in this city with many road traffic offences being shown. Only the other day I came across a cyclist riding the wrong way up a one way street in this city putting his life and my own at danger and when verbally challenged by myself on the issue I was verbally abused – nice attitude. Next time I will not be so polite! Sort your own out first before attempting to dictate to individuals of how they travel around this city! Can you do us all a big favour Paul? When the restrictions on Lendal Bridge are removed on Saturday can you please never ever spout your pro cycling dogma/diatribe ever again on this forum. You had your choice and you have been proved to be wrong, so have the grace to leave it alone. Although I suspect that your obsession will not let it lie. Eric Olthwaite
  • Score: -202

9:11am Wed 9 Apr 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

NoNewsIsGoodNews wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
MrsHoney wrote: If they want to do something about congestion and encourage people onto public transport then get rid of First and have a public not private transport system. One that actually goes to and from the places people want to go to, at frequent useful times, until a reasonable time at night and with bus drivers who aren't grumpy and abusive! Until then people who drive will not be persuaded out of their cars because the alternative is too inconvenient and unpalatable!
It was Thatcher's Tory government who deregulated the bus industry so please blame them for many of York's bus travel ills. CoYC is working to the best that current legislation allowed, through the Better Bus Partnership, which involves all York's operators. Government funding is currently being sought for a range of improvements. http://www.itravelyo rk.info/buses/about- buses-in-york/projec ts/ To Igiveinthens earlier comment of "As for ANPR cameras, they are a good thing only when used in a correct and legal manner, I am grateful to the Goverment Adjudicator who has correctly identified that their usage was illegal." The word "allegedly" might usefully be added before "Illegal". There is a legal challenge being prepared which has wide implications for ANPR useage by Local Authorities country-wide. Don't count your chickens mon ami........ And before anyone accuses me again of being anti-car, that does not automatically follow from being pro-pedal power. I'd love to see blue badge holders being able to drive round York without their way being repeatedly blocked by single occupancy, short distance car commuters.
I find it funny that your mystic traffic guru's who have to look decades into the future to predict traffic flow didn't see this one coming.
Paul get your head around it... its illegal... an expert has said so and he has quoted the reason why it is illegal. The fact it is illegal is not debatable (oh wait a law firm say they can fight it and win… not like a firm to say that is it). It is black and white. Also in all your infinite knowledge about traffic law and traffic management why do you think this ban has been lifted Paul?? Do you think it’s from pressure from central maybe? As they already know its illegal? The appeal will be dropped in a week or so. Central will be explaining to these imbeciles stop wasting money on a sinking ship... You have a lot of faith in people who do not know how to carry out a simple job Paul (simply because they are labour). I'll put my faith in an adjudicator who has many years of experience in this, is an expert in their field, rather then these lot.... You are like a 2nd hand on a sinking ship. Paul I can not wait for their appeal to be chucked out (and it will trust me) so you can actually grovel and apologise just like all the other blinkered labour fanatics.

On a more interesting note.. i post a link to a video of illegal cyclists and next thing you know the press steal it and make it a story.. Come on press you're better then that... Archie should have the credit.
[quote][p][bold]NoNewsIsGoodNews[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsHoney[/bold] wrote: If they want to do something about congestion and encourage people onto public transport then get rid of First and have a public not private transport system. One that actually goes to and from the places people want to go to, at frequent useful times, until a reasonable time at night and with bus drivers who aren't grumpy and abusive! Until then people who drive will not be persuaded out of their cars because the alternative is too inconvenient and unpalatable![/p][/quote]It was Thatcher's Tory government who deregulated the bus industry so please blame them for many of York's bus travel ills. CoYC is working to the best that current legislation allowed, through the Better Bus Partnership, which involves all York's operators. Government funding is currently being sought for a range of improvements. http://www.itravelyo rk.info/buses/about- buses-in-york/projec ts/ To Igiveinthens earlier comment of "As for ANPR cameras, they are a good thing only when used in a correct and legal manner, I am grateful to the Goverment Adjudicator who has correctly identified that their usage was illegal." The word "allegedly" might usefully be added before "Illegal". There is a legal challenge being prepared which has wide implications for ANPR useage by Local Authorities country-wide. Don't count your chickens mon ami........ And before anyone accuses me again of being anti-car, that does not automatically follow from being pro-pedal power. I'd love to see blue badge holders being able to drive round York without their way being repeatedly blocked by single occupancy, short distance car commuters.[/p][/quote]I find it funny that your mystic traffic guru's who have to look decades into the future to predict traffic flow didn't see this one coming.[/p][/quote]Paul get your head around it... its illegal... an expert has said so and he has quoted the reason why it is illegal. The fact it is illegal is not debatable (oh wait a law firm say they can fight it and win… not like a firm to say that is it). It is black and white. Also in all your infinite knowledge about traffic law and traffic management why do you think this ban has been lifted Paul?? Do you think it’s from pressure from central maybe? As they already know its illegal? The appeal will be dropped in a week or so. Central will be explaining to these imbeciles stop wasting money on a sinking ship... You have a lot of faith in people who do not know how to carry out a simple job Paul (simply because they are labour). I'll put my faith in an adjudicator who has many years of experience in this, is an expert in their field, rather then these lot.... You are like a 2nd hand on a sinking ship. Paul I can not wait for their appeal to be chucked out (and it will trust me) so you can actually grovel and apologise just like all the other blinkered labour fanatics. On a more interesting note.. i post a link to a video of illegal cyclists and next thing you know the press steal it and make it a story.. Come on press you're better then that... Archie should have the credit. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -118

9:14am Wed 9 Apr 14

York2000 says...

Good. Maybe everyone will shut up about it now. Mark Stead is going to be bored, so there's probably still going to be three articles a day on the website for a year or so.
Good. Maybe everyone will shut up about it now. Mark Stead is going to be bored, so there's probably still going to be three articles a day on the website for a year or so. York2000
  • Score: -94

9:15am Wed 9 Apr 14

Madasanibbotson says...

FORGET EASTER EGG HUNTING

Where is the Ferrett over the last few days ?
FORGET EASTER EGG HUNTING Where is the Ferrett over the last few days ? Madasanibbotson
  • Score: -63

9:26am Wed 9 Apr 14

Got a life says...

Alexander on radio York this morning stated that the CYC will fight the ombudsmen. Very nobile Jimmy but surly you should have an approved budget and be prepared to disclose, or is the cheque book in your top draw?
Alexander on radio York this morning stated that the CYC will fight the ombudsmen. Very nobile Jimmy but surly you should have an approved budget and be prepared to disclose, or is the cheque book in your top draw? Got a life
  • Score: -31

9:28am Wed 9 Apr 14

Exlabourmember says...

pedalling paul wrote:
MrsHoney wrote:
If they want to do something about congestion and encourage people onto public transport then get rid of First and have a public not private transport system. One that actually goes to and from the places people want to go to, at frequent useful times, until a reasonable time at night and with bus drivers who aren't grumpy and abusive! Until then people who drive will not be persuaded out of their cars because the alternative is too inconvenient and unpalatable!
It was Thatcher's Tory government who deregulated the bus industry so please blame them for many of York's bus travel ills. CoYC is working to the best that current legislation allowed, through the Better Bus Partnership, which involves all York's operators. Government funding is currently being sought for a range of improvements. http://www.itravelyo

rk.info/buses/about-

buses-in-york/projec

ts/

To Igiveinthens earlier comment of "As for ANPR cameras, they are a good thing only when used in a correct and legal manner, I am grateful to the Goverment Adjudicator who has correctly identified that their usage was illegal."

The word "allegedly" might usefully be added before "Illegal". There is a legal challenge being prepared which has wide implications for ANPR useage by Local Authorities country-wide. Don't count your chickens mon ami........

And before anyone accuses me again of being anti-car, that does not automatically follow from being pro-pedal power. I'd love to see blue badge holders being able to drive round York without their way being repeatedly blocked by single occupancy, short distance car commuters.
Calamity James promised in his manifesto he would reregulate the buses

Conveniently forgot to mention that didn't you
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsHoney[/bold] wrote: If they want to do something about congestion and encourage people onto public transport then get rid of First and have a public not private transport system. One that actually goes to and from the places people want to go to, at frequent useful times, until a reasonable time at night and with bus drivers who aren't grumpy and abusive! Until then people who drive will not be persuaded out of their cars because the alternative is too inconvenient and unpalatable![/p][/quote]It was Thatcher's Tory government who deregulated the bus industry so please blame them for many of York's bus travel ills. CoYC is working to the best that current legislation allowed, through the Better Bus Partnership, which involves all York's operators. Government funding is currently being sought for a range of improvements. http://www.itravelyo rk.info/buses/about- buses-in-york/projec ts/ To Igiveinthens earlier comment of "As for ANPR cameras, they are a good thing only when used in a correct and legal manner, I am grateful to the Goverment Adjudicator who has correctly identified that their usage was illegal." The word "allegedly" might usefully be added before "Illegal". There is a legal challenge being prepared which has wide implications for ANPR useage by Local Authorities country-wide. Don't count your chickens mon ami........ And before anyone accuses me again of being anti-car, that does not automatically follow from being pro-pedal power. I'd love to see blue badge holders being able to drive round York without their way being repeatedly blocked by single occupancy, short distance car commuters.[/p][/quote]Calamity James promised in his manifesto he would reregulate the buses Conveniently forgot to mention that didn't you Exlabourmember
  • Score: -52

9:31am Wed 9 Apr 14

windowlicker says...

I've just had a drive over the bridge, and won't be paying any fine for the pleasure, the next objective should be to haul the idiots who sanctioned this over the coals.

How much exactly will the council tax payer have to pay to fix this? Will refunds now be offered or paid to people who write and ask?

We've had some real showers in charge over the years but this is the most clueless bunch I remember..

How's the new football ground coming along?
I've just had a drive over the bridge, and won't be paying any fine for the pleasure, the next objective should be to haul the idiots who sanctioned this over the coals. How much exactly will the council tax payer have to pay to fix this? Will refunds now be offered or paid to people who write and ask? We've had some real showers in charge over the years but this is the most clueless bunch I remember.. How's the new football ground coming along? windowlicker
  • Score: -49

9:34am Wed 9 Apr 14

courier46 says...

Osbaldwick Lad wrote:
At next year in election year can we please have our green bins collected in winter?
Or at least only stop for dec and jan,i`ve had a full bin waiting for weeks and i`ve only got a smallish garden.
[quote][p][bold]Osbaldwick Lad[/bold] wrote: At next year in election year can we please have our green bins collected in winter?[/p][/quote]Or at least only stop for dec and jan,i`ve had a full bin waiting for weeks and i`ve only got a smallish garden. courier46
  • Score: -34

9:38am Wed 9 Apr 14

No Such Len says...

Suck it up York, it is only going to get worse.
Suck it up York, it is only going to get worse. No Such Len
  • Score: -30

9:41am Wed 9 Apr 14

courier46 says...

Got a life wrote:
May I offer postage stamps for resignation purposes to the leading idiots of this pathetic council, these would of course be SECOND CLASS!

Go ou you bunch of Muppets and do the decent thing!
If they resign i`ll deliver them myself
[quote][p][bold]Got a life[/bold] wrote: May I offer postage stamps for resignation purposes to the leading idiots of this pathetic council, these would of course be SECOND CLASS! Go ou you bunch of Muppets and do the decent thing![/p][/quote]If they resign i`ll deliver them myself courier46
  • Score: -54

9:41am Wed 9 Apr 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

pedalling paul wrote:
It matters not where you queue in traffic next week. I'll still sail past you on my bike. JA and DM are quite right to point out that congestion will not go away. Whoever runs York from 2015 will have to face it and manage it, politically unpopular though it be. A cross party scrutiny committee is perhaps the best next step . Theft might examine the change of preferred bridge closure from Ouse to Lendal. ANPR law must be changed or clarified, so that the technology can be used by all Local Authorities. Our City's MP's and the Local Govt. Association must be brought in to support this, and put Mr Loopholes out of business. Artificial priority for the most efficient users of road capacity must remain part of the long term solution .We all know what the alternative will be for our descendants.
Imagine that with your cycling ego! An electrified line that takes cars out of the centre of York and creates a more efficient way for getting into the centre!!! After all that is the only way people will use a new system, if it is quicker or cheaper! not that they are told by their shower of sh@t labour leaders. (Nice pic of Alexander came up on my feed today of him smoking a “pipe” in his youth....)

Obviously you’ll hate the above idea as you won’t get to see other people in spandex and there would be fewer seats to sniff. So Paul will you for once pass on your views on a sensible scheme for the future of transportation in York that isn’t cycling? Moron! After all the above idea didn’t even take much research.. .York is a hub for the railway… why don’t we use it to reduce traffic… Imagine if your beloved labour party had the inspirational imagination to contribute the 2m (2.5 with 20is plenty my other pet hate!!!) wasted on this trail, into such a scheme…

Would that not reduce traffic and make york a greener place paul? Is that not planning for the future??
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: It matters not where you queue in traffic next week. I'll still sail past you on my bike. JA and DM are quite right to point out that congestion will not go away. Whoever runs York from 2015 will have to face it and manage it, politically unpopular though it be. A cross party scrutiny committee is perhaps the best next step . Theft might examine the change of preferred bridge closure from Ouse to Lendal. ANPR law must be changed or clarified, so that the technology can be used by all Local Authorities. Our City's MP's and the Local Govt. Association must be brought in to support this, and put Mr Loopholes out of business. Artificial priority for the most efficient users of road capacity must remain part of the long term solution .We all know what the alternative will be for our descendants.[/p][/quote]Imagine that with your cycling ego! An electrified line that takes cars out of the centre of York and creates a more efficient way for getting into the centre!!! After all that is the only way people will use a new system, if it is quicker or cheaper! not that they are told by their shower of sh@t labour leaders. (Nice pic of Alexander came up on my feed today of him smoking a “pipe” in his youth....) Obviously you’ll hate the above idea as you won’t get to see other people in spandex and there would be fewer seats to sniff. So Paul will you for once pass on your views on a sensible scheme for the future of transportation in York that isn’t cycling? Moron! After all the above idea didn’t even take much research.. .York is a hub for the railway… why don’t we use it to reduce traffic… Imagine if your beloved labour party had the inspirational imagination to contribute the 2m (2.5 with 20is plenty my other pet hate!!!) wasted on this trail, into such a scheme… Would that not reduce traffic and make york a greener place paul? Is that not planning for the future?? Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -63

9:41am Wed 9 Apr 14

roskoboskovic says...

york have a history of appointing less than competent councils but surely this one must take first prize.if they have any semblance of decency and self respect alexander and merrett will resign but i would bet that they don t.
york have a history of appointing less than competent councils but surely this one must take first prize.if they have any semblance of decency and self respect alexander and merrett will resign but i would bet that they don t. roskoboskovic
  • Score: -61

9:45am Wed 9 Apr 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
pedalling paul wrote: It matters not where you queue in traffic next week. I'll still sail past you on my bike. JA and DM are quite right to point out that congestion will not go away. Whoever runs York from 2015 will have to face it and manage it, politically unpopular though it be. A cross party scrutiny committee is perhaps the best next step . Theft might examine the change of preferred bridge closure from Ouse to Lendal. ANPR law must be changed or clarified, so that the technology can be used by all Local Authorities. Our City's MP's and the Local Govt. Association must be brought in to support this, and put Mr Loopholes out of business. Artificial priority for the most efficient users of road capacity must remain part of the long term solution .We all know what the alternative will be for our descendants.
Imagine that with your cycling ego! An electrified line that takes cars out of the centre of York and creates a more efficient way for getting into the centre!!! After all that is the only way people will use a new system, if it is quicker or cheaper! not that they are told by their shower of sh@t labour leaders. (Nice pic of Alexander came up on my feed today of him smoking a “pipe” in his youth....) Obviously you’ll hate the above idea as you won’t get to see other people in spandex and there would be fewer seats to sniff. So Paul will you for once pass on your views on a sensible scheme for the future of transportation in York that isn’t cycling? Moron! After all the above idea didn’t even take much research.. .York is a hub for the railway… why don’t we use it to reduce traffic… Imagine if your beloved labour party had the inspirational imagination to contribute the 2m (2.5 with 20is plenty my other pet hate!!!) wasted on this trail, into such a scheme… Would that not reduce traffic and make york a greener place paul? Is that not planning for the future??
balls didnt paste it all in!!!

Paul I have said this to you about 5 times now... cycling is not the future! investing in infastructure is! Do you think all these many researchers (including myself at one point) came to a conclusion that everyone must cycle! no..

As I’ve told you we need to invest in a railway or tram project that will allow people to park outside of York (Tesco askern bar instead of a p&r would have been good) and can travel for a cheap fee and go directly to the city centre without traffic or stopping every 100 yards...

Imagine that with your cycling ego! An electrified line that takes cars out of the centre of York and creates a more efficient way for getting into the centre!!! After all that is the only way people will use a new system, if it is quicker or cheaper! not that they are told by their shower of sh@t labour leaders. (Nice pic of Alexander came up on my feed today of him smoking a “pipe” in his youth....)

Obviously you’ll hate the above idea as you won’t get to see other people in spandex and there would be fewer seats to sniff. So Paul will you for once pass on your views on a sensible scheme for the future of transportation in York that isn’t cycling? Moron! After all the above idea didn’t even take much research.. .York is a hub for the railway… why don’t we use it to reduce traffic… Imagine if your beloved labour party had the inspirational imagination to contribute the 2m (2.5 with 20is plenty my other pet hate!!!) wasted on this trail, into such a scheme…

Would that not reduce traffic and make york a greener place paul? Is that not planning for the future??
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: It matters not where you queue in traffic next week. I'll still sail past you on my bike. JA and DM are quite right to point out that congestion will not go away. Whoever runs York from 2015 will have to face it and manage it, politically unpopular though it be. A cross party scrutiny committee is perhaps the best next step . Theft might examine the change of preferred bridge closure from Ouse to Lendal. ANPR law must be changed or clarified, so that the technology can be used by all Local Authorities. Our City's MP's and the Local Govt. Association must be brought in to support this, and put Mr Loopholes out of business. Artificial priority for the most efficient users of road capacity must remain part of the long term solution .We all know what the alternative will be for our descendants.[/p][/quote]Imagine that with your cycling ego! An electrified line that takes cars out of the centre of York and creates a more efficient way for getting into the centre!!! After all that is the only way people will use a new system, if it is quicker or cheaper! not that they are told by their shower of sh@t labour leaders. (Nice pic of Alexander came up on my feed today of him smoking a “pipe” in his youth....) Obviously you’ll hate the above idea as you won’t get to see other people in spandex and there would be fewer seats to sniff. So Paul will you for once pass on your views on a sensible scheme for the future of transportation in York that isn’t cycling? Moron! After all the above idea didn’t even take much research.. .York is a hub for the railway… why don’t we use it to reduce traffic… Imagine if your beloved labour party had the inspirational imagination to contribute the 2m (2.5 with 20is plenty my other pet hate!!!) wasted on this trail, into such a scheme… Would that not reduce traffic and make york a greener place paul? Is that not planning for the future??[/p][/quote]balls didnt paste it all in!!! Paul I have said this to you about 5 times now... cycling is not the future! investing in infastructure is! Do you think all these many researchers (including myself at one point) came to a conclusion that everyone must cycle! no.. As I’ve told you we need to invest in a railway or tram project that will allow people to park outside of York (Tesco askern bar instead of a p&r would have been good) and can travel for a cheap fee and go directly to the city centre without traffic or stopping every 100 yards... Imagine that with your cycling ego! An electrified line that takes cars out of the centre of York and creates a more efficient way for getting into the centre!!! After all that is the only way people will use a new system, if it is quicker or cheaper! not that they are told by their shower of sh@t labour leaders. (Nice pic of Alexander came up on my feed today of him smoking a “pipe” in his youth....) Obviously you’ll hate the above idea as you won’t get to see other people in spandex and there would be fewer seats to sniff. So Paul will you for once pass on your views on a sensible scheme for the future of transportation in York that isn’t cycling? Moron! After all the above idea didn’t even take much research.. .York is a hub for the railway… why don’t we use it to reduce traffic… Imagine if your beloved labour party had the inspirational imagination to contribute the 2m (2.5 with 20is plenty my other pet hate!!!) wasted on this trail, into such a scheme… Would that not reduce traffic and make york a greener place paul? Is that not planning for the future?? Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -46

10:08am Wed 9 Apr 14

mitch2nd says...

So York council tax payers are going to have to foot the bill, not only will they have to pay the fines back but they will have to pay interest on the money they illegally took

Heads should role and I expect several Councillors and others involved to hand in their notices

Again a council run by people who just want to be famous and have not got a clue
So York council tax payers are going to have to foot the bill, not only will they have to pay the fines back but they will have to pay interest on the money they illegally took Heads should role and I expect several Councillors and others involved to hand in their notices Again a council run by people who just want to be famous and have not got a clue mitch2nd
  • Score: -57

10:11am Wed 9 Apr 14

imassey says...

Two positive outcomes of re-opening Lendal Bridge:

1 - I will, once again, be able to amble along to the bus stop when I spot the No. 1 stuck in traffic, rather than having to run when I see it coming unobstructed across the bridge.

2 - Parents will be able to start teaching their toddlers to count by playing the "how many stationary cars can we walk past while we are crossing the bridge" game.
Two positive outcomes of re-opening Lendal Bridge: 1 - I will, once again, be able to amble along to the bus stop when I spot the No. 1 stuck in traffic, rather than having to run when I see it coming unobstructed across the bridge. 2 - Parents will be able to start teaching their toddlers to count by playing the "how many stationary cars can we walk past while we are crossing the bridge" game. imassey
  • Score: -76

10:14am Wed 9 Apr 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

imassey wrote:
Two positive outcomes of re-opening Lendal Bridge: 1 - I will, once again, be able to amble along to the bus stop when I spot the No. 1 stuck in traffic, rather than having to run when I see it coming unobstructed across the bridge. 2 - Parents will be able to start teaching their toddlers to count by playing the "how many stationary cars can we walk past while we are crossing the bridge" game.
you missed off 3-... people can once again use the inner ring road or drive to waitrose in a higher gear the 2nd...
[quote][p][bold]imassey[/bold] wrote: Two positive outcomes of re-opening Lendal Bridge: 1 - I will, once again, be able to amble along to the bus stop when I spot the No. 1 stuck in traffic, rather than having to run when I see it coming unobstructed across the bridge. 2 - Parents will be able to start teaching their toddlers to count by playing the "how many stationary cars can we walk past while we are crossing the bridge" game.[/p][/quote]you missed off 3-... people can once again use the inner ring road or drive to waitrose in a higher gear the 2nd... Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -47

10:19am Wed 9 Apr 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

How long before we hear the words "Congestion Charge"?.

Weaknesses

1. Involves high costs at launching and in maintenance of the high-technology equipment.

2. Is complex to enforce and control.

3. Increases the traffic on secondary roads, the traffic jams are simply moved to other areas.

4. Encourages people to visit the malls out-side of the city and abandon the downtown shopping areas.

5. May under certain circumstances increase the gap between those who can easily afford to drive and those, poorer who have to use the often overcrowded and overpriced public transports. Moreover, the annual charge, added to other taxes on cars prevent some lower middle income families to buy a car, reducing their mobility.

6. Can be seem as an invasion of privacy and cause for new frauds.

Sounds like a familiar list of reasons not to, and then would/could it be self financing. If congestion charging was feasible it would have been done by now, so don't waste time after all it's been rejected by 30 other cities bigger than York for sound reasons.
How long before we hear the words "Congestion Charge"?. Weaknesses 1. Involves high costs at launching and in maintenance of the high-technology equipment. 2. Is complex to enforce and control. 3. Increases the traffic on secondary roads, the traffic jams are simply moved to other areas. 4. Encourages people to visit the malls out-side of the city and abandon the downtown shopping areas. 5. May under certain circumstances increase the gap between those who can easily afford to drive and those, poorer who have to use the often overcrowded and overpriced public transports. Moreover, the annual charge, added to other taxes on cars prevent some lower middle income families to buy a car, reducing their mobility. 6. Can be seem as an invasion of privacy and cause for new frauds. Sounds like a familiar list of reasons not to, and then would/could it be self financing. If congestion charging was feasible it would have been done by now, so don't waste time after all it's been rejected by 30 other cities bigger than York for sound reasons. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -42

10:33am Wed 9 Apr 14

yorkshirelad says...

Everyone involved in this sort of thing will know that difficult decisions have to be made if we are to keep small historic city centres viable. We ducked this one and it becomes another victim of an unholy alliance between short-termist local politicians who put themselves before their city, local papers who increasingly seem to exist to serve the Victor Meldrew tendency and whip up opposition to anything new and people who simply get frightened by any attempt to control traffic.

So Lendal Bridge will now be full of crawling traffic once more and we have missed a huge opportunity to improve the city for all of us. The lack of a political consensus and perhaps a bit of vision from our local paper has made the project cave in.

Around the world, cities are restricting private cars in city centres as they deal with the unpleasant and dangerous effects of traffic congestion. With this decision (and several others in recent years) we take a step backwards through lack of vision.

We are now stuck in the vicious cycle of not being able to move by car due to congestion, but the alternatives being unpleasant or dangerous or slow due to the same congestion.

The people who oppose modernising transport infrastructure including restricting private car use in York will be the ultimate losers here - they are the ones who will most of all be caught in the worsening congestion. Fools indeed.
Everyone involved in this sort of thing will know that difficult decisions have to be made if we are to keep small historic city centres viable. We ducked this one and it becomes another victim of an unholy alliance between short-termist local politicians who put themselves before their city, local papers who increasingly seem to exist to serve the Victor Meldrew tendency and whip up opposition to anything new and people who simply get frightened by any attempt to control traffic. So Lendal Bridge will now be full of crawling traffic once more and we have missed a huge opportunity to improve the city for all of us. The lack of a political consensus and perhaps a bit of vision from our local paper has made the project cave in. Around the world, cities are restricting private cars in city centres as they deal with the unpleasant and dangerous effects of traffic congestion. With this decision (and several others in recent years) we take a step backwards through lack of vision. We are now stuck in the vicious cycle of not being able to move by car due to congestion, but the alternatives being unpleasant or dangerous or slow due to the same congestion. The people who oppose modernising transport infrastructure including restricting private car use in York will be the ultimate losers here - they are the ones who will most of all be caught in the worsening congestion. Fools indeed. yorkshirelad
  • Score: -58

10:35am Wed 9 Apr 14

long distance depressive says...

So the Junta spin department is working overtime! Which head will/should be stuck on a spike over Micklegate Bar ?
If anyone in York could present themselves as a viable Independent then surely there are thousands of voters out there can't bring themselves to vote Tory,who are sick of the Labour shower and who are rightly wary of the Liberals.
So the Junta spin department is working overtime! Which head will/should be stuck on a spike over Micklegate Bar ? If anyone in York could present themselves as a viable Independent then surely there are thousands of voters out there can't bring themselves to vote Tory,who are sick of the Labour shower and who are rightly wary of the Liberals. long distance depressive
  • Score: -34

10:39am Wed 9 Apr 14

CaroleBaines says...

What I cannot understand with this, is how the experts can get it so wrong? I have met a fair few councillors and some of them I would not trust to have the intelligence to turn over a TV channel. But are these people not back by council expertise; legal people, accountants, surveyors, planners etc? How the hell did we end up with 53,000 fines and seemingly illegal ones at that.

I do not necessarily think the trial was a bad idea. But why with just about all Councils does everything have to be a farce?
What I cannot understand with this, is how the experts can get it so wrong? I have met a fair few councillors and some of them I would not trust to have the intelligence to turn over a TV channel. But are these people not back by council expertise; legal people, accountants, surveyors, planners etc? How the hell did we end up with 53,000 fines and seemingly illegal ones at that. I do not necessarily think the trial was a bad idea. But why with just about all Councils does everything have to be a farce? CaroleBaines
  • Score: -69

10:41am Wed 9 Apr 14

yorkshirelad says...

Archibald the 1st above - talking about railways/trams etc.....

In fact light rail and trams could be part of a solution....any solution is likely to involve a combination of methods. But if you read the posts above, you'll see that any solution that takes space away from private cars creates apoplexy in York among the Victor Meldrew brigade. We've seen in over the years as poor councils of all colours introduce tiny sections of cycle lane, bus lane....anything that is seen to infringe the right of the car driver to sit all day blocking the road and belching out fumes for us all to breathe.

So rail/tram could be good but the political parties are too busy point scoring against each other and there are now too many people who cannot seem to get around any other way than by car. Can you just imagine the rants we'd get here if trams/rail lines were suggested?

Sadly we have to wait until this all gets even worse before people will believe that quite radical solutions are required.
Archibald the 1st above - talking about railways/trams etc..... In fact light rail and trams could be part of a solution....any solution is likely to involve a combination of methods. But if you read the posts above, you'll see that any solution that takes space away from private cars creates apoplexy in York among the Victor Meldrew brigade. We've seen in over the years as poor councils of all colours introduce tiny sections of cycle lane, bus lane....anything that is seen to infringe the right of the car driver to sit all day blocking the road and belching out fumes for us all to breathe. So rail/tram could be good but the political parties are too busy point scoring against each other and there are now too many people who cannot seem to get around any other way than by car. Can you just imagine the rants we'd get here if trams/rail lines were suggested? Sadly we have to wait until this all gets even worse before people will believe that quite radical solutions are required. yorkshirelad
  • Score: -101

10:42am Wed 9 Apr 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

yorkshirelad wrote:
Everyone involved in this sort of thing will know that difficult decisions have to be made if we are to keep small historic city centres viable. We ducked this one and it becomes another victim of an unholy alliance between short-termist local politicians who put themselves before their city, local papers who increasingly seem to exist to serve the Victor Meldrew tendency and whip up opposition to anything new and people who simply get frightened by any attempt to control traffic. So Lendal Bridge will now be full of crawling traffic once more and we have missed a huge opportunity to improve the city for all of us. The lack of a political consensus and perhaps a bit of vision from our local paper has made the project cave in. Around the world, cities are restricting private cars in city centres as they deal with the unpleasant and dangerous effects of traffic congestion. With this decision (and several others in recent years) we take a step backwards through lack of vision. We are now stuck in the vicious cycle of not being able to move by car due to congestion, but the alternatives being unpleasant or dangerous or slow due to the same congestion. The people who oppose modernising transport infrastructure including restricting private car use in York will be the ultimate losers here - they are the ones who will most of all be caught in the worsening congestion. Fools indeed.
Please see comments above... all you cycle warriors who think cutting off a inner ring road is efficient in reducing traffic are barmy.. The cars have to go somewhere! Hence if any of you had a clue about future technologies you'd think how do we get cars out of the city centre.. Give you a clue banning them isn’t the solution!

Also i think you will find that people who do drive will be happy the bridge is open again... we can now travel in other city areas without getting stuck in all the diverted traffic that was forced down other routes (leman road and laythorpe for example)...

How can you think that closing a road reduces traffic when no alternative was provided to people? Please explain your logic. The same amount of cars are on the road but with less options to choose from for the quickest route? How is that reducing congestion?
[quote][p][bold]yorkshirelad[/bold] wrote: Everyone involved in this sort of thing will know that difficult decisions have to be made if we are to keep small historic city centres viable. We ducked this one and it becomes another victim of an unholy alliance between short-termist local politicians who put themselves before their city, local papers who increasingly seem to exist to serve the Victor Meldrew tendency and whip up opposition to anything new and people who simply get frightened by any attempt to control traffic. So Lendal Bridge will now be full of crawling traffic once more and we have missed a huge opportunity to improve the city for all of us. The lack of a political consensus and perhaps a bit of vision from our local paper has made the project cave in. Around the world, cities are restricting private cars in city centres as they deal with the unpleasant and dangerous effects of traffic congestion. With this decision (and several others in recent years) we take a step backwards through lack of vision. We are now stuck in the vicious cycle of not being able to move by car due to congestion, but the alternatives being unpleasant or dangerous or slow due to the same congestion. The people who oppose modernising transport infrastructure including restricting private car use in York will be the ultimate losers here - they are the ones who will most of all be caught in the worsening congestion. Fools indeed.[/p][/quote]Please see comments above... all you cycle warriors who think cutting off a inner ring road is efficient in reducing traffic are barmy.. The cars have to go somewhere! Hence if any of you had a clue about future technologies you'd think how do we get cars out of the city centre.. Give you a clue banning them isn’t the solution! Also i think you will find that people who do drive will be happy the bridge is open again... we can now travel in other city areas without getting stuck in all the diverted traffic that was forced down other routes (leman road and laythorpe for example)... How can you think that closing a road reduces traffic when no alternative was provided to people? Please explain your logic. The same amount of cars are on the road but with less options to choose from for the quickest route? How is that reducing congestion? Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -78

10:46am Wed 9 Apr 14

Woody G Mellor says...

yorkshirelad wrote:
Archibald the 1st above - talking about railways/trams etc.....

In fact light rail and trams could be part of a solution....any solution is likely to involve a combination of methods. But if you read the posts above, you'll see that any solution that takes space away from private cars creates apoplexy in York among the Victor Meldrew brigade. We've seen in over the years as poor councils of all colours introduce tiny sections of cycle lane, bus lane....anything that is seen to infringe the right of the car driver to sit all day blocking the road and belching out fumes for us all to breathe.

So rail/tram could be good but the political parties are too busy point scoring against each other and there are now too many people who cannot seem to get around any other way than by car. Can you just imagine the rants we'd get here if trams/rail lines were suggested?

Sadly we have to wait until this all gets even worse before people will believe that quite radical solutions are required.
Why can't you understand the simple fact that I and many many others in York 'NEED' to drive. Its how I pay the bills. I do not drive for pleasure, basically because I do not find it a pleasure apart from being very expensive. If I could run my business on bike or foot, believe me I would!

Stop thinking that every mortised vehicle driver is doing so out of laziness or pleasure.
[quote][p][bold]yorkshirelad[/bold] wrote: Archibald the 1st above - talking about railways/trams etc..... In fact light rail and trams could be part of a solution....any solution is likely to involve a combination of methods. But if you read the posts above, you'll see that any solution that takes space away from private cars creates apoplexy in York among the Victor Meldrew brigade. We've seen in over the years as poor councils of all colours introduce tiny sections of cycle lane, bus lane....anything that is seen to infringe the right of the car driver to sit all day blocking the road and belching out fumes for us all to breathe. So rail/tram could be good but the political parties are too busy point scoring against each other and there are now too many people who cannot seem to get around any other way than by car. Can you just imagine the rants we'd get here if trams/rail lines were suggested? Sadly we have to wait until this all gets even worse before people will believe that quite radical solutions are required.[/p][/quote]Why can't you understand the simple fact that I and many many others in York 'NEED' to drive. Its how I pay the bills. I do not drive for pleasure, basically because I do not find it a pleasure apart from being very expensive. If I could run my business on bike or foot, believe me I would! Stop thinking that every mortised vehicle driver is doing so out of laziness or pleasure. Woody G Mellor
  • Score: -50

10:48am Wed 9 Apr 14

Pinza-C55 says...

pedalling paul wrote:
It matters not where you queue in traffic next week. I'll still sail past you on my bike.
JA and DM are quite right to point out that congestion will not go away. Whoever runs York from 2015 will have to face it and manage it, politically unpopular though it be.
A cross party scrutiny committee is perhaps the best next step . Theft might examine the change of preferred bridge closure from Ouse to Lendal.
ANPR law must be changed or clarified, so that the technology can be used by all Local Authorities. Our City's MP's and the Local Govt. Association must be brought in to support this, and put Mr Loopholes out of business.
Artificial priority for the most efficient users of road capacity must remain part of the long term solution
.We all know what the alternative will be for our descendants.
There's only one thing worse than a loser and that's a bad loser.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: It matters not where you queue in traffic next week. I'll still sail past you on my bike. JA and DM are quite right to point out that congestion will not go away. Whoever runs York from 2015 will have to face it and manage it, politically unpopular though it be. A cross party scrutiny committee is perhaps the best next step . Theft might examine the change of preferred bridge closure from Ouse to Lendal. ANPR law must be changed or clarified, so that the technology can be used by all Local Authorities. Our City's MP's and the Local Govt. Association must be brought in to support this, and put Mr Loopholes out of business. Artificial priority for the most efficient users of road capacity must remain part of the long term solution .We all know what the alternative will be for our descendants.[/p][/quote]There's only one thing worse than a loser and that's a bad loser. Pinza-C55
  • Score: -61

10:53am Wed 9 Apr 14

Sage9 says...

MrsHoney wrote:
If they want to do something about congestion and encourage people onto public transport then get rid of First and have a public not private transport system. One that actually goes to and from the places people want to go to, at frequent useful times, until a reasonable time at night and with bus drivers who aren't grumpy and abusive! Until then people who drive will not be persuaded out of their cars because the alternative is too inconvenient and unpalatable!
How about a bus station? There's a plot of land next to the Barbican that would do !!
[quote][p][bold]MrsHoney[/bold] wrote: If they want to do something about congestion and encourage people onto public transport then get rid of First and have a public not private transport system. One that actually goes to and from the places people want to go to, at frequent useful times, until a reasonable time at night and with bus drivers who aren't grumpy and abusive! Until then people who drive will not be persuaded out of their cars because the alternative is too inconvenient and unpalatable![/p][/quote]How about a bus station? There's a plot of land next to the Barbican that would do !! Sage9
  • Score: -46

10:56am Wed 9 Apr 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

yorkshirelad wrote:
Archibald the 1st above - talking about railways/trams etc..... In fact light rail and trams could be part of a solution....any solution is likely to involve a combination of methods. But if you read the posts above, you'll see that any solution that takes space away from private cars creates apoplexy in York among the Victor Meldrew brigade. We've seen in over the years as poor councils of all colours introduce tiny sections of cycle lane, bus lane....anything that is seen to infringe the right of the car driver to sit all day blocking the road and belching out fumes for us all to breathe. So rail/tram could be good but the political parties are too busy point scoring against each other and there are now too many people who cannot seem to get around any other way than by car. Can you just imagine the rants we'd get here if trams/rail lines were suggested? Sadly we have to wait until this all gets even worse before people will believe that quite radical solutions are required.
Yorkshire lad- I only mentioned trams as other cities have used these to good effect. in fact i believe Sheffield is undertaking a tram-train scheme. For my research purposes i chose that the spare capacity on existing lines would benefit people commuting into York on a daily basis. You can run 1 per hour on the existing railway during commuter times. The lines cover the main entrance routes to the city.

Pocklington seems to be thriving from this.. Station just outside of York that the majority of the village will commute on.

I’m a car driver but if for example I lived in strensal or bishopthorpe and didn’t want to pay for parking or wait in traffic such outer city stations would be welcomed by car users.

If you offer people a efficient alternative they will use it no matter what their views are. If you shut a road and don’t and it causes more traffic people wont like it… hence why lendal was always going to be a waste of time and I disagree that we have missed out there… york is a better place for the people living here with the bridge open.
[quote][p][bold]yorkshirelad[/bold] wrote: Archibald the 1st above - talking about railways/trams etc..... In fact light rail and trams could be part of a solution....any solution is likely to involve a combination of methods. But if you read the posts above, you'll see that any solution that takes space away from private cars creates apoplexy in York among the Victor Meldrew brigade. We've seen in over the years as poor councils of all colours introduce tiny sections of cycle lane, bus lane....anything that is seen to infringe the right of the car driver to sit all day blocking the road and belching out fumes for us all to breathe. So rail/tram could be good but the political parties are too busy point scoring against each other and there are now too many people who cannot seem to get around any other way than by car. Can you just imagine the rants we'd get here if trams/rail lines were suggested? Sadly we have to wait until this all gets even worse before people will believe that quite radical solutions are required.[/p][/quote]Yorkshire lad- I only mentioned trams as other cities have used these to good effect. in fact i believe Sheffield is undertaking a tram-train scheme. For my research purposes i chose that the spare capacity on existing lines would benefit people commuting into York on a daily basis. You can run 1 per hour on the existing railway during commuter times. The lines cover the main entrance routes to the city. Pocklington seems to be thriving from this.. Station just outside of York that the majority of the village will commute on. I’m a car driver but if for example I lived in strensal or bishopthorpe and didn’t want to pay for parking or wait in traffic such outer city stations would be welcomed by car users. If you offer people a efficient alternative they will use it no matter what their views are. If you shut a road and don’t and it causes more traffic people wont like it… hence why lendal was always going to be a waste of time and I disagree that we have missed out there… york is a better place for the people living here with the bridge open. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -52

10:56am Wed 9 Apr 14

Soupdragon70 says...

Just giving the SAD one last chance to get over excited and mark my comment down, but I wondered if this might come in handy for No-Merritt and Wee Jimmy:
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Only trying to help! ;)
Just giving the SAD one last chance to get over excited and mark my comment down, but I wondered if this might come in handy for No-Merritt and Wee Jimmy: http://www.totaljobs .com/careers-advice/ money-and-legal/resi gnation-letter-templ ates Only trying to help! ;) Soupdragon70
  • Score: -43

10:56am Wed 9 Apr 14

matroom says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
It matters not where you queue in traffic next week. I'll still sail past you on my bike.
JA and DM are quite right to point out that congestion will not go away. Whoever runs York from 2015 will have to face it and manage it, politically unpopular though it be.
A cross party scrutiny committee is perhaps the best next step . Theft might examine the change of preferred bridge closure from Ouse to Lendal.
ANPR law must be changed or clarified, so that the technology can be used by all Local Authorities. Our City's MP's and the Local Govt. Association must be brought in to support this, and put Mr Loopholes out of business.
Artificial priority for the most efficient users of road capacity must remain part of the long term solution
.We all know what the alternative will be for our descendants.
There's only one thing worse than a loser and that's a bad loser.
Would be a shame if PP came to a sticky end under the wheels of a bus. Oh, the irony.
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: It matters not where you queue in traffic next week. I'll still sail past you on my bike. JA and DM are quite right to point out that congestion will not go away. Whoever runs York from 2015 will have to face it and manage it, politically unpopular though it be. A cross party scrutiny committee is perhaps the best next step . Theft might examine the change of preferred bridge closure from Ouse to Lendal. ANPR law must be changed or clarified, so that the technology can be used by all Local Authorities. Our City's MP's and the Local Govt. Association must be brought in to support this, and put Mr Loopholes out of business. Artificial priority for the most efficient users of road capacity must remain part of the long term solution .We all know what the alternative will be for our descendants.[/p][/quote]There's only one thing worse than a loser and that's a bad loser.[/p][/quote]Would be a shame if PP came to a sticky end under the wheels of a bus. Oh, the irony. matroom
  • Score: -44

10:56am Wed 9 Apr 14

Woody G Mellor says...

Sage9 wrote:
MrsHoney wrote:
If they want to do something about congestion and encourage people onto public transport then get rid of First and have a public not private transport system. One that actually goes to and from the places people want to go to, at frequent useful times, until a reasonable time at night and with bus drivers who aren't grumpy and abusive! Until then people who drive will not be persuaded out of their cars because the alternative is too inconvenient and unpalatable!
How about a bus station? There's a plot of land next to the Barbican that would do !!
Thats going to be a Hilton hotel.
[quote][p][bold]Sage9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsHoney[/bold] wrote: If they want to do something about congestion and encourage people onto public transport then get rid of First and have a public not private transport system. One that actually goes to and from the places people want to go to, at frequent useful times, until a reasonable time at night and with bus drivers who aren't grumpy and abusive! Until then people who drive will not be persuaded out of their cars because the alternative is too inconvenient and unpalatable![/p][/quote]How about a bus station? There's a plot of land next to the Barbican that would do !![/p][/quote]Thats going to be a Hilton hotel. Woody G Mellor
  • Score: -23

10:57am Wed 9 Apr 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Sage9 wrote:
MrsHoney wrote: If they want to do something about congestion and encourage people onto public transport then get rid of First and have a public not private transport system. One that actually goes to and from the places people want to go to, at frequent useful times, until a reasonable time at night and with bus drivers who aren't grumpy and abusive! Until then people who drive will not be persuaded out of their cars because the alternative is too inconvenient and unpalatable!
How about a bus station? There's a plot of land next to the Barbican that would do !!
busses cause congestion. more then cars usually.
[quote][p][bold]Sage9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsHoney[/bold] wrote: If they want to do something about congestion and encourage people onto public transport then get rid of First and have a public not private transport system. One that actually goes to and from the places people want to go to, at frequent useful times, until a reasonable time at night and with bus drivers who aren't grumpy and abusive! Until then people who drive will not be persuaded out of their cars because the alternative is too inconvenient and unpalatable![/p][/quote]How about a bus station? There's a plot of land next to the Barbican that would do !![/p][/quote]busses cause congestion. more then cars usually. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -52

11:19am Wed 9 Apr 14

nearlyman says...

......still nothing from the greens.......keeping their heads down i suspect.....
......still nothing from the greens.......keeping their heads down i suspect..... nearlyman
  • Score: -78

11:22am Wed 9 Apr 14

Platform3 says...

The " ban all cars" and the "let's convert York into an F1 circuit" lobbies will never agree about its success or failure of the trial. However, the one undeniable fact is that the trial was mismanaged - regardless of who is to blame. This mismanagement puts into question the validity of any results and therefore renders the trial meaningless. The question, now therefore, is how to proceed. Do nothing is not an option. As York continues to grow so there will an exponential increase in vehicle usage (including bicycles a form of transport that also needs more controls on it Mr P P). What the implementation of the Lendal Bridge trial has shown is that the way NOT to do it is to allow the issue to be hijacked by one lobby or another nor to rush into any trial until it can be thoroughly thought out. This is certainly not a time for gloating nor is it a time for doom-mongering. What this is the time for is for the City Council to make the most courageous decision of them all and that is to make transport strategy a wholly inclusive, cross-party, transparent, non-lobby influenced, fully consultative process. If it means that certain elected representatives cannot take part because of their proven bias then so be it. The only qualification to take part should be one of proven ability to approach this with a totally open mind.

As far as a post-mortem into who, how, when or why the Lendal Bridge trial was allowed to descend into such a farce well that is something that has to take place and, if the Labour group wishes to confirm its support of open government, then the full facts need to be published. If they are not then, by default, the electorate is perfectly entitled to assume there is something to hide.
The " ban all cars" and the "let's convert York into an F1 circuit" lobbies will never agree about its success or failure of the trial. However, the one undeniable fact is that the trial was mismanaged - regardless of who is to blame. This mismanagement puts into question the validity of any results and therefore renders the trial meaningless. The question, now therefore, is how to proceed. Do nothing is not an option. As York continues to grow so there will an exponential increase in vehicle usage (including bicycles a form of transport that also needs more controls on it Mr P P). What the implementation of the Lendal Bridge trial has shown is that the way NOT to do it is to allow the issue to be hijacked by one lobby or another nor to rush into any trial until it can be thoroughly thought out. This is certainly not a time for gloating nor is it a time for doom-mongering. What this is the time for is for the City Council to make the most courageous decision of them all and that is to make transport strategy a wholly inclusive, cross-party, transparent, non-lobby influenced, fully consultative process. If it means that certain elected representatives cannot take part because of their proven bias then so be it. The only qualification to take part should be one of proven ability to approach this with a totally open mind. As far as a post-mortem into who, how, when or why the Lendal Bridge trial was allowed to descend into such a farce well that is something that has to take place and, if the Labour group wishes to confirm its support of open government, then the full facts need to be published. If they are not then, by default, the electorate is perfectly entitled to assume there is something to hide. Platform3
  • Score: -61

11:30am Wed 9 Apr 14

northern belle says...

strangebuttrue? wrote:
Good News for all York residents (although a couple may not think so) and for visitors, business and those who provide care to our elderly residents. Pollution has gone down??? What is that below the levels achieved in 2005 when traffic volumes hit a low and have stayed there since whilst pollution since 2005 has gone up by as much as 48%? Non of us should be happy with any decrease in pollution until we at least get back to the levels of 2005. Now all we need is a resignation from the man who has sat on the transport panels since 2006 and even I may dust off my bike and go for a ride to celebrate. Now keep a look out for sneaky changes to the traffic light sequences to create the illusion of increased volume and the reality of increased congestion and pollution that will allow them to mislead us into believing opening the bridge has made matters worse. Don't forget they changed the traffic lights to make the closure look good so now they may just change them back to make it look like opening it again was a bad decision. Someone needs to be asking what there intensions are with this now.
best traffic flow is when the lights are off...this has been proved over and over again on the Continent and even in our own fair City when they break...everyone takes care and everyone gets a turn.
[quote][p][bold]strangebuttrue?[/bold] wrote: Good News for all York residents (although a couple may not think so) and for visitors, business and those who provide care to our elderly residents. Pollution has gone down??? What is that below the levels achieved in 2005 when traffic volumes hit a low and have stayed there since whilst pollution since 2005 has gone up by as much as 48%? Non of us should be happy with any decrease in pollution until we at least get back to the levels of 2005. Now all we need is a resignation from the man who has sat on the transport panels since 2006 and even I may dust off my bike and go for a ride to celebrate. Now keep a look out for sneaky changes to the traffic light sequences to create the illusion of increased volume and the reality of increased congestion and pollution that will allow them to mislead us into believing opening the bridge has made matters worse. Don't forget they changed the traffic lights to make the closure look good so now they may just change them back to make it look like opening it again was a bad decision. Someone needs to be asking what there intensions are with this now.[/p][/quote]best traffic flow is when the lights are off...this has been proved over and over again on the Continent and even in our own fair City when they break...everyone takes care and everyone gets a turn. northern belle
  • Score: -50

11:31am Wed 9 Apr 14

Ichabod76 says...

Archiebold the 1st says.....

Paul get your head around it... its illegal... an expert has said so and he has quoted the reason why it is illegal. The fact it is illegal is not debatable (oh wait a law firm say they can fight it and win… not like a firm to say that is it). It is black and white. Also in all your infinite knowledge about traffic law and traffic management why do you think this ban has been lifted Paul?? Do you think it’s from pressure from central maybe? As they already know its illegal? The appeal will be dropped in a week or so.


It's interesting to note that the day Shadow housing minister Emma Reynolds was in town the lendal restrictions were lifted !

Did she warn you you wouldn't be getting a safe seat James ?
Archiebold the 1st says..... Paul get your head around it... its illegal... an expert has said so and he has quoted the reason why it is illegal. The fact it is illegal is not debatable (oh wait a law firm say they can fight it and win… not like a firm to say that is it). It is black and white. Also in all your infinite knowledge about traffic law and traffic management why do you think this ban has been lifted Paul?? Do you think it’s from pressure from central maybe? As they already know its illegal? The appeal will be dropped in a week or so. It's interesting to note that the day Shadow housing minister Emma Reynolds was in town the lendal restrictions were lifted ! Did she warn you you wouldn't be getting a safe seat James ? Ichabod76
  • Score: -31

11:36am Wed 9 Apr 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

Woody G Mellor wrote:
yorkshirelad wrote:
Archibald the 1st above - talking about railways/trams etc.....

In fact light rail and trams could be part of a solution....any solution is likely to involve a combination of methods. But if you read the posts above, you'll see that any solution that takes space away from private cars creates apoplexy in York among the Victor Meldrew brigade. We've seen in over the years as poor councils of all colours introduce tiny sections of cycle lane, bus lane....anything that is seen to infringe the right of the car driver to sit all day blocking the road and belching out fumes for us all to breathe.

So rail/tram could be good but the political parties are too busy point scoring against each other and there are now too many people who cannot seem to get around any other way than by car. Can you just imagine the rants we'd get here if trams/rail lines were suggested?

Sadly we have to wait until this all gets even worse before people will believe that quite radical solutions are required.
Why can't you understand the simple fact that I and many many others in York 'NEED' to drive. Its how I pay the bills. I do not drive for pleasure, basically because I do not find it a pleasure apart from being very expensive. If I could run my business on bike or foot, believe me I would!

Stop thinking that every mortised vehicle driver is doing so out of laziness or pleasure.
Perfect Woody!
I don't think you can sum it up better. Basically if any of the frothing at the mouth cycle zealots can't understand this, well speaks for itself.

I'm sure there are a few people who are addicted to their cars.
But it seems that you can put most people into two groups

1. Car drivers that need to get somewhere
2. Cyclists that need to get somewhere

The thing that confuses me is why group 2 can't understand that group 1 is the same as them barring a couple of words...
[quote][p][bold]Woody G Mellor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkshirelad[/bold] wrote: Archibald the 1st above - talking about railways/trams etc..... In fact light rail and trams could be part of a solution....any solution is likely to involve a combination of methods. But if you read the posts above, you'll see that any solution that takes space away from private cars creates apoplexy in York among the Victor Meldrew brigade. We've seen in over the years as poor councils of all colours introduce tiny sections of cycle lane, bus lane....anything that is seen to infringe the right of the car driver to sit all day blocking the road and belching out fumes for us all to breathe. So rail/tram could be good but the political parties are too busy point scoring against each other and there are now too many people who cannot seem to get around any other way than by car. Can you just imagine the rants we'd get here if trams/rail lines were suggested? Sadly we have to wait until this all gets even worse before people will believe that quite radical solutions are required.[/p][/quote]Why can't you understand the simple fact that I and many many others in York 'NEED' to drive. Its how I pay the bills. I do not drive for pleasure, basically because I do not find it a pleasure apart from being very expensive. If I could run my business on bike or foot, believe me I would! Stop thinking that every mortised vehicle driver is doing so out of laziness or pleasure.[/p][/quote]Perfect Woody! I don't think you can sum it up better. Basically if any of the frothing at the mouth cycle zealots can't understand this, well speaks for itself. I'm sure there are a few people who are addicted to their cars. But it seems that you can put most people into two groups 1. Car drivers that need to get somewhere 2. Cyclists that need to get somewhere The thing that confuses me is why group 2 can't understand that group 1 is the same as them barring a couple of words... AGuyFromStrensall
  • Score: -48

11:45am Wed 9 Apr 14

Dave Ruddock says...

Can I jut say , the bridge on restrictions or not makes absolutely bo difference to Bus times, Yesterday 08 Apr 2014 No1 Buss stopped for 5 minutes at Exhibition Square then went oner the bridge to syap at the station for a further 5 minutes (General Manager of York First ) take note and Muppet Merret (Member of the Merret im Right party) take note Nothing changed besides the outer ring road blocked. RESIGN at least get that right
Can I jut say , the bridge on restrictions or not makes absolutely bo difference to Bus times, Yesterday 08 Apr 2014 No1 Buss stopped for 5 minutes at Exhibition Square then went oner the bridge to syap at the station for a further 5 minutes (General Manager of York First ) take note and Muppet Merret (Member of the Merret im Right party) take note Nothing changed besides the outer ring road blocked. RESIGN at least get that right Dave Ruddock
  • Score: -42

11:49am Wed 9 Apr 14

Thord Gellir says...

York is a great city.
A great history.
A great place to live.
A great place to visit.
A city that has survived well over many centuries (compared with many other cities) in spite of the pressures of the modern world.

It needs top-class management and direction for its future. It simply has not got it at the present time. We need to ask the question why. Why does it not attract top class officers? Why are so many of its councillors (of all political persuasions) so lightweight and inadequate. Is it that they are more concerned with their narrow political dogmas rather than what is best for the city?

Perhaps there needs to be a forum of businesses, local residents, others with local interests (all without political banners hanging round their necks) to discuss the future of the City.

We simply cannot rely on and trust the current political leaders who have the support of so few of the local electorate and are motivated and directed by their own brands of politics.
York is a great city. A great history. A great place to live. A great place to visit. A city that has survived well over many centuries (compared with many other cities) in spite of the pressures of the modern world. It needs top-class management and direction for its future. It simply has not got it at the present time. We need to ask the question why. Why does it not attract top class officers? Why are so many of its councillors (of all political persuasions) so lightweight and inadequate. Is it that they are more concerned with their narrow political dogmas rather than what is best for the city? Perhaps there needs to be a forum of businesses, local residents, others with local interests (all without political banners hanging round their necks) to discuss the future of the City. We simply cannot rely on and trust the current political leaders who have the support of so few of the local electorate and are motivated and directed by their own brands of politics. Thord Gellir
  • Score: -17

11:59am Wed 9 Apr 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Still loving that councillors saying it was a trial. It never was it was conditioning period in which time the council hoped that all the fuss would die down and we would all become accustomed to our new more miserable lives. Had it not been for the sustained pressure of the majority of York's residents in the face of an arrogant few we would not be where we are now.
Still loving that councillors saying it was a trial. It never was it was conditioning period in which time the council hoped that all the fuss would die down and we would all become accustomed to our new more miserable lives. Had it not been for the sustained pressure of the majority of York's residents in the face of an arrogant few we would not be where we are now. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -27

12:07pm Wed 9 Apr 14

yorkshirelad says...

A Guy from Strensall said:

'1. Car drivers that need to get somewhere
2. Cyclists that need to get somewhere'

All slugging it out on here..... and then there's the rest of us getting around York by car, bus, bike, foot.... a variety of methods to suit the circumstances.
Perhaps it's the extremists in both camps that inhabit this place...but by my reckoning most York households contain a variety and a mix and cannot be easily pigeon-holed into these two groups.

Rabidly anti-car or rabidly anti-bike.... you are both the problem. The sensible majority in the middle see a place for both.
A Guy from Strensall said: '1. Car drivers that need to get somewhere 2. Cyclists that need to get somewhere' All slugging it out on here..... and then there's the rest of us getting around York by car, bus, bike, foot.... a variety of methods to suit the circumstances. Perhaps it's the extremists in both camps that inhabit this place...but by my reckoning most York households contain a variety and a mix and cannot be easily pigeon-holed into these two groups. Rabidly anti-car or rabidly anti-bike.... you are both the problem. The sensible majority in the middle see a place for both. yorkshirelad
  • Score: -35

12:12pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Justin7 says...

Disgusting news, aimed at prioritising the tourists again, as they clog our streets with their carbon footprints.

Our city is turning into a theme park for fat families from the midlands. York citizens are second class.

Tory councillors, who forced this to end, don't give a crap about people from York.

Yeah, vote this down, Tory Party Goon squad with your 100 usernames each.
Disgusting news, aimed at prioritising the tourists again, as they clog our streets with their carbon footprints. Our city is turning into a theme park for fat families from the midlands. York citizens are second class. Tory councillors, who forced this to end, don't give a crap about people from York. Yeah, vote this down, Tory Party Goon squad with your 100 usernames each. Justin7
  • Score: -98

12:17pm Wed 9 Apr 14

yorkshirelad says...

Northern Belle said this:

'best traffic flow is when the lights are off...this has been proved over and over again on the Continent and even in our own fair City when they break...everyone takes care and everyone gets a turn'.

Do they? The 11-year old trying to cross the street to get to school? The parent+pushchair trying to cross? The old man with the arthritic hip? In an ideal world this might work but in the reality 'I'm bigger then you' culture takes over and every road becomes a Berlin Wall for pedestrians.

A Pelican (or is it a Toucan?) crossing near me breaks down and loads of kids have to take their life in their hands getting to school because many drivers won't give an inch.
Northern Belle said this: 'best traffic flow is when the lights are off...this has been proved over and over again on the Continent and even in our own fair City when they break...everyone takes care and everyone gets a turn'. Do they? The 11-year old trying to cross the street to get to school? The parent+pushchair trying to cross? The old man with the arthritic hip? In an ideal world this might work but in the reality 'I'm bigger then you' culture takes over and every road becomes a Berlin Wall for pedestrians. A Pelican (or is it a Toucan?) crossing near me breaks down and loads of kids have to take their life in their hands getting to school because many drivers won't give an inch. yorkshirelad
  • Score: -71

12:18pm Wed 9 Apr 14

serendipity says...

I think York Council always think they are above the law and use bullying tactics and power to bulldoze their way through any change without much thought for the people who live here and small businesses , they cause much worry and do not listen avoid letters of complaints, when and where it suits , instead of consulting with the citizen of York .After all we own the council and pay for it out of our tax? surely we have rights in what they do in our city and when? I thought we lived in a free society not under a communist reign? It seems York is a micro climate with no rules or laws? Unless you work or in power at York Council, unless given out by the City of York Council ,then we have to adhere to them or are taken to court and fined.....?
I think York Council always think they are above the law and use bullying tactics and power to bulldoze their way through any change without much thought for the people who live here and small businesses , they cause much worry and do not listen avoid letters of complaints, when and where it suits , instead of consulting with the citizen of York .After all we own the council and pay for it out of our tax? surely we have rights in what they do in our city and when? I thought we lived in a free society not under a communist reign? It seems York is a micro climate with no rules or laws? Unless you work or in power at York Council, unless given out by the City of York Council ,then we have to adhere to them or are taken to court and fined.....? serendipity
  • Score: -55

12:20pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Tiv says...

Let the traffic flow. Now resign James Alexander & Dave Merrit and let us not forget Sandy Fraser and his underhand tactics last week stopping debate (bet he regrets that now!).

A message to the luddite cyclist lobby, York is back open for business and progress is resumed.
Let the traffic flow. Now resign James Alexander & Dave Merrit and let us not forget Sandy Fraser and his underhand tactics last week stopping debate (bet he regrets that now!). A message to the luddite cyclist lobby, York is back open for business and progress is resumed. Tiv
  • Score: -35

12:21pm Wed 9 Apr 14

yorkshirelad says...

So are you saying that every decision should be taken by referendum? Can you give us any examples of any city in the world that works like that? Can you say how you'd fund that...because even taking the smallest of decisions would cost a fortune.
So are you saying that every decision should be taken by referendum? Can you give us any examples of any city in the world that works like that? Can you say how you'd fund that...because even taking the smallest of decisions would cost a fortune. yorkshirelad
  • Score: -66

12:24pm Wed 9 Apr 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

yorkshirelad wrote:
A Guy from Strensall said:

'1. Car drivers that need to get somewhere
2. Cyclists that need to get somewhere'

All slugging it out on here..... and then there's the rest of us getting around York by car, bus, bike, foot.... a variety of methods to suit the circumstances.
Perhaps it's the extremists in both camps that inhabit this place...but by my reckoning most York households contain a variety and a mix and cannot be easily pigeon-holed into these two groups.

Rabidly anti-car or rabidly anti-bike.... you are both the problem. The sensible majority in the middle see a place for both.
Do you ignore everything that you don't want to see?

The whole point people keep making is that there needs to be a more balanced approach.

You say you like I'm a person who drives around just to enjoy my car and annoy cyclists. Part of my job choice was literally to reduce my car drive by being a quick commute.
Most of the arguments on here are just people who want to get somewhere and the factions that would demonize them just for having somewhere to go that requires a car.
[quote][p][bold]yorkshirelad[/bold] wrote: A Guy from Strensall said: '1. Car drivers that need to get somewhere 2. Cyclists that need to get somewhere' All slugging it out on here..... and then there's the rest of us getting around York by car, bus, bike, foot.... a variety of methods to suit the circumstances. Perhaps it's the extremists in both camps that inhabit this place...but by my reckoning most York households contain a variety and a mix and cannot be easily pigeon-holed into these two groups. Rabidly anti-car or rabidly anti-bike.... you are both the problem. The sensible majority in the middle see a place for both.[/p][/quote]Do you ignore everything that you don't want to see? The whole point people keep making is that there needs to be a more balanced approach. You say you like I'm a person who drives around just to enjoy my car and annoy cyclists. Part of my job choice was literally to reduce my car drive by being a quick commute. Most of the arguments on here are just people who want to get somewhere and the factions that would demonize them just for having somewhere to go that requires a car. AGuyFromStrensall
  • Score: -56

12:31pm Wed 9 Apr 14

york_chap says...

Great news. It'll be interesting to see what changes are now made to the traffic light phasing at key junctions around York. With a little bit of tweeking here and there, it'll be easy for the council to make congestion suddenly worsen; meaning they can argue that the 'trial' was worthwhile.

It's interesting how traffic levels in York have remained steady or actually decreased over the past few years, yet congestion has got worse. If an independent body could ever be appointed to sort out the badly-phased and unnecessary traffic lights in York, with a mandate to maximise efficiency of traffic flow, congestion would decrease massively overnight.
Great news. It'll be interesting to see what changes are now made to the traffic light phasing at key junctions around York. With a little bit of tweeking here and there, it'll be easy for the council to make congestion suddenly worsen; meaning they can argue that the 'trial' was worthwhile. It's interesting how traffic levels in York have remained steady or actually decreased over the past few years, yet congestion has got worse. If an independent body could ever be appointed to sort out the badly-phased and unnecessary traffic lights in York, with a mandate to maximise efficiency of traffic flow, congestion would decrease massively overnight. york_chap
  • Score: -41

12:31pm Wed 9 Apr 14

york_chap says...

Great news. It'll be interesting to see what changes are now made to the traffic light phasing at key junctions around York. With a little bit of tweeking here and there, it'll be easy for the council to make congestion suddenly worsen; meaning they can argue that the 'trial' was worthwhile.

It's interesting how traffic levels in York have remained steady or actually decreased over the past few years, yet congestion has got worse. If an independent body could ever be appointed to sort out the badly-phased and unnecessary traffic lights in York, with a mandate to maximise efficiency of traffic flow, congestion would decrease massively overnight.
Great news. It'll be interesting to see what changes are now made to the traffic light phasing at key junctions around York. With a little bit of tweeking here and there, it'll be easy for the council to make congestion suddenly worsen; meaning they can argue that the 'trial' was worthwhile. It's interesting how traffic levels in York have remained steady or actually decreased over the past few years, yet congestion has got worse. If an independent body could ever be appointed to sort out the badly-phased and unnecessary traffic lights in York, with a mandate to maximise efficiency of traffic flow, congestion would decrease massively overnight. york_chap
  • Score: -27

12:37pm Wed 9 Apr 14

long distance depressive says...

Justin7 wrote:
Disgusting news, aimed at prioritising the tourists again, as they clog our streets with their carbon footprints.

Our city is turning into a theme park for fat families from the midlands. York citizens are second class.

Tory councillors, who forced this to end, don't give a crap about people from York.

Yeah, vote this down, Tory Party Goon squad with your 100 usernames each.
Drugs wearing off Justin7 ?
[quote][p][bold]Justin7[/bold] wrote: Disgusting news, aimed at prioritising the tourists again, as they clog our streets with their carbon footprints. Our city is turning into a theme park for fat families from the midlands. York citizens are second class. Tory councillors, who forced this to end, don't give a crap about people from York. Yeah, vote this down, Tory Party Goon squad with your 100 usernames each.[/p][/quote]Drugs wearing off Justin7 ? long distance depressive
  • Score: -21

12:38pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

I'm a bit confused.... I didn't realise the bridge closure was all Paul's idea.
I'm a bit confused.... I didn't realise the bridge closure was all Paul's idea. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: -25

12:39pm Wed 9 Apr 14

york_chap says...

yorkshirelad wrote:
Northern Belle said this:

'best traffic flow is when the lights are off...this has been proved over and over again on the Continent and even in our own fair City when they break...everyone takes care and everyone gets a turn'.

Do they? The 11-year old trying to cross the street to get to school? The parent+pushchair trying to cross? The old man with the arthritic hip? In an ideal world this might work but in the reality 'I'm bigger then you' culture takes over and every road becomes a Berlin Wall for pedestrians.

A Pelican (or is it a Toucan?) crossing near me breaks down and loads of kids have to take their life in their hands getting to school because many drivers won't give an inch.
Well a year or two back when the lights were off I drove through the Bootham/Gillygate junction during the evening rush hour and there certainly weren't hoards of pedestrians stranded desperately on the pavements. Drivers and cyclists had to slow down to approach the junction with care and plenty of the drivers/riders I saw (myself included) were slowing down or stopping to allow people (young and old) to cross the road.

Incidently, it was the shortest traffic queue I've ever seen on Bootham at that time of day, and there was no queue at all in Exhibition Square. For the record, I do think complicated/busy junctions like that one should have crossing facilities, but there's a lot to be said for zebra crossings which are far more efficient for drivers/cyclists and pedestrians alike.
[quote][p][bold]yorkshirelad[/bold] wrote: Northern Belle said this: 'best traffic flow is when the lights are off...this has been proved over and over again on the Continent and even in our own fair City when they break...everyone takes care and everyone gets a turn'. Do they? The 11-year old trying to cross the street to get to school? The parent+pushchair trying to cross? The old man with the arthritic hip? In an ideal world this might work but in the reality 'I'm bigger then you' culture takes over and every road becomes a Berlin Wall for pedestrians. A Pelican (or is it a Toucan?) crossing near me breaks down and loads of kids have to take their life in their hands getting to school because many drivers won't give an inch.[/p][/quote]Well a year or two back when the lights were off I drove through the Bootham/Gillygate junction during the evening rush hour and there certainly weren't hoards of pedestrians stranded desperately on the pavements. Drivers and cyclists had to slow down to approach the junction with care and plenty of the drivers/riders I saw (myself included) were slowing down or stopping to allow people (young and old) to cross the road. Incidently, it was the shortest traffic queue I've ever seen on Bootham at that time of day, and there was no queue at all in Exhibition Square. For the record, I do think complicated/busy junctions like that one should have crossing facilities, but there's a lot to be said for zebra crossings which are far more efficient for drivers/cyclists and pedestrians alike. york_chap
  • Score: -72

12:39pm Wed 9 Apr 14

bloodaxe says...

Just watch the increase in congestion from now on.....
Just watch the increase in congestion from now on..... bloodaxe
  • Score: -98

12:41pm Wed 9 Apr 14

jb1983 says...

SilentMajor I.T. wrote:
Please edit typos and clarify confusing last paragreaph.
Oh, the irony.
[quote][p][bold]SilentMajor I.T.[/bold] wrote: Please edit typos and clarify confusing last paragreaph.[/p][/quote]Oh, the irony. jb1983
  • Score: -55

12:46pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Alf Garnett says...

Ooh goody goody ! Can we have other sixties-type resolutions, decent pop music, miniskirts, O Levels and Secondary Modern schools, smoking in bars and cinemas ? York, City of the Future.
Ooh goody goody ! Can we have other sixties-type resolutions, decent pop music, miniskirts, O Levels and Secondary Modern schools, smoking in bars and cinemas ? York, City of the Future. Alf Garnett
  • Score: -66

12:54pm Wed 9 Apr 14

serendipity says...

I feel York Council must have spent many 1000s on man hours issuing fines and other red tape , it has cost 1000s of pounds to implement this ? on this a issue, it is a major change and should have had a debate and we should have been given a choice? waste of money that could have been given to the Health service for the community , the just bulldoze in to things which out much consideration and thought, whether a good idea or bad? How much has this debacle cost the taxpayers with man hours and meeting? It is and was illegal and people in positions of power should adhere to the law because if we don't we are fined imprisoned ??????
I feel York Council must have spent many 1000s on man hours issuing fines and other red tape , it has cost 1000s of pounds to implement this ? on this a issue, it is a major change and should have had a debate and we should have been given a choice? waste of money that could have been given to the Health service for the community , the just bulldoze in to things which out much consideration and thought, whether a good idea or bad? How much has this debacle cost the taxpayers with man hours and meeting? It is and was illegal and people in positions of power should adhere to the law because if we don't we are fined imprisoned ?????? serendipity
  • Score: -38

1:01pm Wed 9 Apr 14

YorkPatrol says...

bloodaxe wrote:
Just watch the increase in congestion from now on.....
And a decrease from those areas where the traffic was orginally diverted
[quote][p][bold]bloodaxe[/bold] wrote: Just watch the increase in congestion from now on.....[/p][/quote]And a decrease from those areas where the traffic was orginally diverted YorkPatrol
  • Score: -52

1:09pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Platform3 says...

Justin7 wrote:
Disgusting news, aimed at prioritising the tourists again, as they clog our streets with their carbon footprints.

Our city is turning into a theme park for fat families from the midlands. York citizens are second class.

Tory councillors, who forced this to end, don't give a crap about people from York.

Yeah, vote this down, Tory Party Goon squad with your 100 usernames each.
Can't help but bite on this one. Presumably Justin 7 you never go outside the CIty of York boundary for either a holiday or a day trip because if you do you become a TOURIST and you clearly have an aversion to them. You also conveniently forget the thousands of YORK residents who derive a living from tourism and its spin-off industries. If you want to make York a tourist free, "York citizens only" enclave why don't you go the whole hog and propose the closing of the Railway Museum or the demolition of the Minster (it would make a great location for the extra large Job Centre that would be required for everyone from the city who would become unemployed).. Oh whilst you are about it lets close all the cafes and restaurants, shops and other amenities and ensure no trains ever stop at the station because you don't want visitors as this reduces York citizens to second class citizens.

To be fair once the city has shut down once and for all there will always be an opportunity for you to run Weightwatchers' classes in Birmingham!

Can I suggest you seek a Labour nomination for the City Council - you clearly lack the power of rational thought so will be easily able to fill the boots of Alexander, Merrett, Simpson-Laing et al.
[quote][p][bold]Justin7[/bold] wrote: Disgusting news, aimed at prioritising the tourists again, as they clog our streets with their carbon footprints. Our city is turning into a theme park for fat families from the midlands. York citizens are second class. Tory councillors, who forced this to end, don't give a crap about people from York. Yeah, vote this down, Tory Party Goon squad with your 100 usernames each.[/p][/quote]Can't help but bite on this one. Presumably Justin 7 you never go outside the CIty of York boundary for either a holiday or a day trip because if you do you become a TOURIST and you clearly have an aversion to them. You also conveniently forget the thousands of YORK residents who derive a living from tourism and its spin-off industries. If you want to make York a tourist free, "York citizens only" enclave why don't you go the whole hog and propose the closing of the Railway Museum or the demolition of the Minster (it would make a great location for the extra large Job Centre that would be required for everyone from the city who would become unemployed).. Oh whilst you are about it lets close all the cafes and restaurants, shops and other amenities and ensure no trains ever stop at the station because you don't want visitors as this reduces York citizens to second class citizens. To be fair once the city has shut down once and for all there will always be an opportunity for you to run Weightwatchers' classes in Birmingham! Can I suggest you seek a Labour nomination for the City Council - you clearly lack the power of rational thought so will be easily able to fill the boots of Alexander, Merrett, Simpson-Laing et al. Platform3
  • Score: -25

1:17pm Wed 9 Apr 14

bill bailey says...

Alexandra's next job is back to his old one on the tills at POUNDSHOP I hear he is going to ask them if they will give Merrett as well, there will also jobs at Monks Cross New shops for trolly men, if I was the rest of the Labour councillors I would get the Park n Ride down there double quick.
Alexandra's next job is back to his old one on the tills at POUNDSHOP I hear he is going to ask them if they will give Merrett as well, there will also jobs at Monks Cross New shops for trolly men, if I was the rest of the Labour councillors I would get the Park n Ride down there double quick. bill bailey
  • Score: -19

1:20pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Woody G Mellor wrote:
Sage9 wrote:
MrsHoney wrote:
If they want to do something about congestion and encourage people onto public transport then get rid of First and have a public not private transport system. One that actually goes to and from the places people want to go to, at frequent useful times, until a reasonable time at night and with bus drivers who aren't grumpy and abusive! Until then people who drive will not be persuaded out of their cars because the alternative is too inconvenient and unpalatable!
How about a bus station? There's a plot of land next to the Barbican that would do !!
Thats going to be a Hilton hotel.
How many years has it been "going to be a Hilton hotel" for ? It must be at least 4 years now. They might as well have a traveller's site there.
[quote][p][bold]Woody G Mellor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sage9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsHoney[/bold] wrote: If they want to do something about congestion and encourage people onto public transport then get rid of First and have a public not private transport system. One that actually goes to and from the places people want to go to, at frequent useful times, until a reasonable time at night and with bus drivers who aren't grumpy and abusive! Until then people who drive will not be persuaded out of their cars because the alternative is too inconvenient and unpalatable![/p][/quote]How about a bus station? There's a plot of land next to the Barbican that would do !![/p][/quote]Thats going to be a Hilton hotel.[/p][/quote]How many years has it been "going to be a Hilton hotel" for ? It must be at least 4 years now. They might as well have a traveller's site there. Pinza-C55
  • Score: -28

1:21pm Wed 9 Apr 14

MorkofYork says...

York Labour, filled with hate, were never going to win the hearts and minds of the people. Kings square reinvigoration is really make the square less accommodating to cars. 20mph signs on cul-de-sacs. Doing everything they can to legitimize fining 53000 people because of their choice of transport.

Only the hate filled support them.
York Labour, filled with hate, were never going to win the hearts and minds of the people. Kings square reinvigoration is really make the square less accommodating to cars. 20mph signs on cul-de-sacs. Doing everything they can to legitimize fining 53000 people because of their choice of transport. Only the hate filled support them. MorkofYork
  • Score: -9

1:27pm Wed 9 Apr 14

bill bailey says...

Can I ask the council, have they carried a RISK ASSESMENT and HEALTH AND SAFETY ON THE STRAY at HEWORTH. If they have could they publish it for all to see, before the campers URINATE all over the Stray, TOILETS may be on site but after the they have had a skinfull at the local pubs they wont be walking the few yards in the night and use them they will be performing where they camp down.
Can I ask the council, have they carried a RISK ASSESMENT and HEALTH AND SAFETY ON THE STRAY at HEWORTH. If they have could they publish it for all to see, before the campers URINATE all over the Stray, TOILETS may be on site but after the they have had a skinfull at the local pubs they wont be walking the few yards in the night and use them they will be performing where they camp down. bill bailey
  • Score: -51

1:37pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

bill bailey wrote:
Can I ask the council, have they carried a RISK ASSESMENT and HEALTH AND SAFETY ON THE STRAY at HEWORTH. If they have could they publish it for all to see, before the campers URINATE all over the Stray, TOILETS may be on site but after the they have had a skinfull at the local pubs they wont be walking the few yards in the night and use them they will be performing where they camp down.
Bill. Please post on the relevant articles. If you look further down on the home page you will see a heworth green debate.
[quote][p][bold]bill bailey[/bold] wrote: Can I ask the council, have they carried a RISK ASSESMENT and HEALTH AND SAFETY ON THE STRAY at HEWORTH. If they have could they publish it for all to see, before the campers URINATE all over the Stray, TOILETS may be on site but after the they have had a skinfull at the local pubs they wont be walking the few yards in the night and use them they will be performing where they camp down.[/p][/quote]Bill. Please post on the relevant articles. If you look further down on the home page you will see a heworth green debate. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -39

1:43pm Wed 9 Apr 14

umaguma says...

Still waiting for heads to roll.......
Still waiting for heads to roll....... umaguma
  • Score: -46

1:46pm Wed 9 Apr 14

MCWM says...

Why have people been rigging the voting on the first few comments? Some people have far too much time on their hands... (and I assume the Press IT department haven’t the expertise or inclination to stop it)

My journey home from work will be worse once the bridge is reopened – not that I’m not complaining. York is split in half by the Ouse; restricting access across it was always ludicrous idea.
Why have people been rigging the voting on the first few comments? Some people have far too much time on their hands... (and I assume the Press IT department haven’t the expertise or inclination to stop it) My journey home from work will be worse once the bridge is reopened – not that I’m not complaining. York is split in half by the Ouse; restricting access across it was always ludicrous idea. MCWM
  • Score: -32

2:22pm Wed 9 Apr 14

JasBro says...

yorkshirelad wrote:
So are you saying that every decision should be taken by referendum? Can you give us any examples of any city in the world that works like that? Can you say how you'd fund that...because even taking the smallest of decisions would cost a fortune.
No, but they didn't even include it in their election manifesto.

That's dishonest and undemocratic.
[quote][p][bold]yorkshirelad[/bold] wrote: So are you saying that every decision should be taken by referendum? Can you give us any examples of any city in the world that works like that? Can you say how you'd fund that...because even taking the smallest of decisions would cost a fortune.[/p][/quote]No, but they didn't even include it in their election manifesto. That's dishonest and undemocratic. JasBro
  • Score: -20

2:24pm Wed 9 Apr 14

York2000 says...

Mark Stead should stop messing with the scores for each comment.
Mark Stead should stop messing with the scores for each comment. York2000
  • Score: -30

2:35pm Wed 9 Apr 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

york_chap wrote:
Great news. It'll be interesting to see what changes are now made to the traffic light phasing at key junctions around York. With a little bit of tweeking here and there, it'll be easy for the council to make congestion suddenly worsen; meaning they can argue that the 'trial' was worthwhile.

It's interesting how traffic levels in York have remained steady or actually decreased over the past few years, yet congestion has got worse. If an independent body could ever be appointed to sort out the badly-phased and unnecessary traffic lights in York, with a mandate to maximise efficiency of traffic flow, congestion would decrease massively overnight.
If the lights have been optimised then there should be no reason to change anything unless it is obvious that a problem exists.

It would be extremely foolish if the light sequence was deliberately sabotaged to reduce efficiency and create congestion.

If a set of lights were found to be inefficient then it would be good practice to report it so that congestion and pollution could be reduced, it would also free-up road space for other users.
[quote][p][bold]york_chap[/bold] wrote: Great news. It'll be interesting to see what changes are now made to the traffic light phasing at key junctions around York. With a little bit of tweeking here and there, it'll be easy for the council to make congestion suddenly worsen; meaning they can argue that the 'trial' was worthwhile. It's interesting how traffic levels in York have remained steady or actually decreased over the past few years, yet congestion has got worse. If an independent body could ever be appointed to sort out the badly-phased and unnecessary traffic lights in York, with a mandate to maximise efficiency of traffic flow, congestion would decrease massively overnight.[/p][/quote]If the lights have been optimised then there should be no reason to change anything unless it is obvious that a problem exists. It would be extremely foolish if the light sequence was deliberately sabotaged to reduce efficiency and create congestion. If a set of lights were found to be inefficient then it would be good practice to report it so that congestion and pollution could be reduced, it would also free-up road space for other users. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -29

2:49pm Wed 9 Apr 14

alanyork says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
"One councillor, who did not wish to be named, said: “If we continue with this, we will lose the next election”.

Carry on lovey! it's a foregone conclusion that you lot are out next elections!

As a lifelong labour voter you have lost my vote because of

A, Beckfield Lane tip
B, the money wasted on gipsy site's
C, Lendal Bridge
D, the 20mph fiasco
E, Kings Square
F, The whopping big pay rise to edmonson-jones
G, the 70k non job you created to keep a certain person from leaving to go to st johns uni
H, Totally Simply-Wrongs attitude
I, you are turning this city into a **** hole!
J, James Alexander
K, the rainbow flag on the mansion house (not anti gay, just thought it was inappropriate to fly it)
L, etc etc etc

bye bye was nice knowing you xx
ooh la la !! you've got em taped WELL SAID
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: "One councillor, who did not wish to be named, said: “If we continue with this, we will lose the next election”. Carry on lovey! it's a foregone conclusion that you lot are out next elections! As a lifelong labour voter you have lost my vote because of A, Beckfield Lane tip B, the money wasted on gipsy site's C, Lendal Bridge D, the 20mph fiasco E, Kings Square F, The whopping big pay rise to edmonson-jones G, the 70k non job you created to keep a certain person from leaving to go to st johns uni H, Totally Simply-Wrongs attitude I, you are turning this city into a **** hole! J, James Alexander K, the rainbow flag on the mansion house (not anti gay, just thought it was inappropriate to fly it) L, etc etc etc bye bye was nice knowing you xx[/p][/quote]ooh la la !! you've got em taped WELL SAID alanyork
  • Score: -10

2:57pm Wed 9 Apr 14

alanyork says...

Madasanibbotson wrote:
Alexander , Ferrett and Simply Laing.- Go now, if you have an ounce of honour you will resign tonight.
Even die hard labour voters cannot vote Labour in York after the way you gang of amateur, self interested amateurs have tried to hoodwink the council tax payers.

You are a disgrace.
YOU ARE JOKIN' THEY ARE AS THICK SKINNED AS A RHINO AND HAVE MORE CURLY WHIRLY EXCUSES THAN TSL's DATED HAIR DO ! !
[quote][p][bold]Madasanibbotson[/bold] wrote: Alexander , Ferrett and Simply Laing.- Go now, if you have an ounce of honour you will resign tonight. Even die hard labour voters cannot vote Labour in York after the way you gang of amateur, self interested amateurs have tried to hoodwink the council tax payers. You are a disgrace.[/p][/quote]YOU ARE JOKIN' THEY ARE AS THICK SKINNED AS A RHINO AND HAVE MORE CURLY WHIRLY EXCUSES THAN TSL's DATED HAIR DO ! ! alanyork
  • Score: -6

3:06pm Wed 9 Apr 14

martwaring says...

I would love to see the data that shows pollution went down during the trial. As a frequent walker along Bishy Road and over Skeldergate Bridge I have been many times stuck by the increased volume of traffic on this side of the city. I'm sure the pollution went down on Lendal Bridge but what about for the rest of us who had to put up with an increased volume of traffic going the other way round the ring round to avoid the toll bridge.
I would love to see the data that shows pollution went down during the trial. As a frequent walker along Bishy Road and over Skeldergate Bridge I have been many times stuck by the increased volume of traffic on this side of the city. I'm sure the pollution went down on Lendal Bridge but what about for the rest of us who had to put up with an increased volume of traffic going the other way round the ring round to avoid the toll bridge. martwaring
  • Score: 1

3:57pm Wed 9 Apr 14

skateboarding simon says...

does look like the only reason it's been axed is because they can't find a way to fine people. It was never a trial. They didn't care what people of york thought before and they dont care now. They just wanted to skank people out of money to cover up the mass's of money they have wasted.
does look like the only reason it's been axed is because they can't find a way to fine people. It was never a trial. They didn't care what people of york thought before and they dont care now. They just wanted to skank people out of money to cover up the mass's of money they have wasted. skateboarding simon
  • Score: -26

4:03pm Wed 9 Apr 14

mel_drew says...

alanyork wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
"One councillor, who did not wish to be named, said: “If we continue with this, we will lose the next election”.

Carry on lovey! it's a foregone conclusion that you lot are out next elections!

As a lifelong labour voter you have lost my vote because of

A, Beckfield Lane tip
B, the money wasted on gipsy site's
C, Lendal Bridge
D, the 20mph fiasco
E, Kings Square
F, The whopping big pay rise to edmonson-jones
G, the 70k non job you created to keep a certain person from leaving to go to st johns uni
H, Totally Simply-Wrongs attitude
I, you are turning this city into a **** hole!
J, James Alexander
K, the rainbow flag on the mansion house (not anti gay, just thought it was inappropriate to fly it)
L, etc etc etc

bye bye was nice knowing you xx
ooh la la !! you've got em taped WELL SAID
And let's not forget that early indication of Wee Jimmy's over-inflated ego, the attempt to sell off Union Terrace car park. Not three years ago. What a lot of anger, upset, dismay, and waste this administration has created in such a short time.
[quote][p][bold]alanyork[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: "One councillor, who did not wish to be named, said: “If we continue with this, we will lose the next election”. Carry on lovey! it's a foregone conclusion that you lot are out next elections! As a lifelong labour voter you have lost my vote because of A, Beckfield Lane tip B, the money wasted on gipsy site's C, Lendal Bridge D, the 20mph fiasco E, Kings Square F, The whopping big pay rise to edmonson-jones G, the 70k non job you created to keep a certain person from leaving to go to st johns uni H, Totally Simply-Wrongs attitude I, you are turning this city into a **** hole! J, James Alexander K, the rainbow flag on the mansion house (not anti gay, just thought it was inappropriate to fly it) L, etc etc etc bye bye was nice knowing you xx[/p][/quote]ooh la la !! you've got em taped WELL SAID[/p][/quote]And let's not forget that early indication of Wee Jimmy's over-inflated ego, the attempt to sell off Union Terrace car park. Not three years ago. What a lot of anger, upset, dismay, and waste this administration has created in such a short time. mel_drew
  • Score: -37

4:09pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Stevie D says...

york_chap wrote:
I do think complicated/busy junctions like that one should have crossing facilities, but there's a lot to be said for zebra crossings which are far more efficient for drivers/cyclists and pedestrians alike.
Zebra crossings are not good when you have a lot of pedestrians, because you have a continuous flow of people crossing and there's no break for traffic to move. Pedestrians have absolute right of way on a zebra crossing, so if there's a pedestrian wanting to cross, traffic must always wait.

Obviously in areas where there are squillions of people wandering about, this causes major problems for traffic, which is why pelican crossings are often better, because they give both people and traffic a fair turn. They are also better for blind/disabled people because they get a clear signal when traffic is stopped, which may not be so obvious at a zebra.
[quote][bold]york_chap[/bold] wrote: I do think complicated/busy junctions like that one should have crossing facilities, but there's a lot to be said for zebra crossings which are far more efficient for drivers/cyclists and pedestrians alike.[/quote]Zebra crossings are not good when you have a lot of pedestrians, because you have a continuous flow of people crossing and there's no break for traffic to move. Pedestrians have absolute right of way on a zebra crossing, so if there's a pedestrian wanting to cross, traffic must always wait. Obviously in areas where there are squillions of people wandering about, this causes major problems for traffic, which is why pelican crossings are often better, because they give both people and traffic a fair turn. They are also better for blind/disabled people because they get a clear signal when traffic is stopped, which may not be so obvious at a zebra. Stevie D
  • Score: -42

4:24pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Stevie D says...

Dave Ruddock wrote:
Can I jut say , the bridge on restrictions or not makes absolutely bo difference to Bus times, Yesterday 08 Apr 2014 No1 Buss stopped for 5 minutes at Exhibition Square then went oner the bridge to syap at the station for a further 5 minutes (General Manager of York First ) take note and Muppet Merret (Member of the Merret im Right party) take note Nothing changed besides the outer ring road blocked. RESIGN at least get that right
First said that they weren't going to change their timetables while the trial was running because they wanted to see how it played out, and didn't want to have to change them all back again if the restriction was not made permanent.

Before the trial was started, timetables were set to allow buses to mostly run more or less to time, which meant that they had to allow some waiting time in the city centre. Buses are not allowed to run early, by law. That means that if timetables were set as a "worst case scenario" before, and buses are now running 5 minutes quicker, they have to wait for 5 minutes longer. But that's because it was only a temporary trial. If it had been made permanent, First would have been delighted to take that waiting time out, and speed up bus journeys across the city.

Not that your illiterate rant suggests you've given much thought to the matter...
[quote][p][bold]Dave Ruddock[/bold] wrote: Can I jut say , the bridge on restrictions or not makes absolutely bo difference to Bus times, Yesterday 08 Apr 2014 No1 Buss stopped for 5 minutes at Exhibition Square then went oner the bridge to syap at the station for a further 5 minutes (General Manager of York First ) take note and Muppet Merret (Member of the Merret im Right party) take note Nothing changed besides the outer ring road blocked. RESIGN at least get that right[/p][/quote]First said that they weren't going to change their timetables while the trial was running because they wanted to see how it played out, and didn't want to have to change them all back again if the restriction was not made permanent. Before the trial was started, timetables were set to allow buses to mostly run more or less to time, which meant that they had to allow some waiting time in the city centre. Buses are not allowed to run early, by law. That means that if timetables were set as a "worst case scenario" before, and buses are now running 5 minutes quicker, they have to wait for 5 minutes longer. But that's because it was only a temporary trial. If it had been made permanent, First would have been delighted to take that waiting time out, and speed up bus journeys across the city. Not that your illiterate rant suggests you've given much thought to the matter... Stevie D
  • Score: -44

4:45pm Wed 9 Apr 14

stu3466 says...

The Junkyard Angel wrote:
The depressing thing is all the Labour voters will return in droves next year and the 'money go round' will continue to spin it's merry way .
better than the toies and limp dems
[quote][p][bold]The Junkyard Angel[/bold] wrote: The depressing thing is all the Labour voters will return in droves next year and the 'money go round' will continue to spin it's merry way .[/p][/quote]better than the toies and limp dems stu3466
  • Score: -32

4:52pm Wed 9 Apr 14

wildthing666 says...

So are they going to refund fined motorists in light of their scam been ruled illegal
So are they going to refund fined motorists in light of their scam been ruled illegal wildthing666
  • Score: -28

5:10pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Yorkborneinbse says...

YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
"One councillor, who did not wish to be named, said: “If we continue with this, we will lose the next election”.

Carry on lovey! it's a foregone conclusion that you lot are out next elections!

As a lifelong labour voter you have lost my vote because of

A, Beckfield Lane tip
B, the money wasted on gipsy site's
C, Lendal Bridge
D, the 20mph fiasco
E, Kings Square
F, The whopping big pay rise to edmonson-jones
G, the 70k non job you created to keep a certain person from leaving to go to st johns uni
H, Totally Simply-Wrongs attitude
I, you are turning this city into a **** hole!
J, James Alexander
K, the rainbow flag on the mansion house (not anti gay, just thought it was inappropriate to fly it)
L, etc etc etc

bye bye was nice knowing you xx
The OX says...

Whats the Press and the people, + and the prat PP going to talk about when this is over lol

I think there are a number of issues that are listed above plus the £4million West Yorkshire exclusive boys club.
M. Removing bins in the City Centre
N. The smokings banned, police department
O. The station traffic fiasco
P. The bendy bus
Q. Their new office
R. The public toilets
S. The small business rates

You really couldnt make it up. An embarassment to themselves, and us
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: "One councillor, who did not wish to be named, said: “If we continue with this, we will lose the next election”. Carry on lovey! it's a foregone conclusion that you lot are out next elections! As a lifelong labour voter you have lost my vote because of A, Beckfield Lane tip B, the money wasted on gipsy site's C, Lendal Bridge D, the 20mph fiasco E, Kings Square F, The whopping big pay rise to edmonson-jones G, the 70k non job you created to keep a certain person from leaving to go to st johns uni H, Totally Simply-Wrongs attitude I, you are turning this city into a **** hole! J, James Alexander K, the rainbow flag on the mansion house (not anti gay, just thought it was inappropriate to fly it) L, etc etc etc bye bye was nice knowing you xx[/p][/quote]The OX says... Whats the Press and the people, + and the prat PP going to talk about when this is over lol I think there are a number of issues that are listed above plus the £4million West Yorkshire exclusive boys club.[/p][/quote]M. Removing bins in the City Centre N. The smokings banned, police department O. The station traffic fiasco P. The bendy bus Q. Their new office R. The public toilets S. The small business rates You really couldnt make it up. An embarassment to themselves, and us Yorkborneinbse
  • Score: -31

5:19pm Wed 9 Apr 14

yorkshirelad says...

Don't you just wish all the politocos would go away. Jumping on bandwagons to fight your party's cause damages our city. For years decsions have gone one way and then the other because many times it's not the decisions that matters...it's simply giving the other lot a bloody nose. Whether it's the Clifton Green reversal or this, York suffers when local politicians point score like this.
In many areas, closing a city-centre bridge as part of controlling traffic in a historic city-centre would be Lib Dem policy. Here you have given Labour a bloody nose...but is it really consistent with your transport and environmental policies? After tuition fees. maybe we can assume nothing...
Don't you just wish all the politocos would go away. Jumping on bandwagons to fight your party's cause damages our city. For years decsions have gone one way and then the other because many times it's not the decisions that matters...it's simply giving the other lot a bloody nose. Whether it's the Clifton Green reversal or this, York suffers when local politicians point score like this. In many areas, closing a city-centre bridge as part of controlling traffic in a historic city-centre would be Lib Dem policy. Here you have given Labour a bloody nose...but is it really consistent with your transport and environmental policies? After tuition fees. maybe we can assume nothing... yorkshirelad
  • Score: -21

5:49pm Wed 9 Apr 14

MorkofYork says...

It's not just what they do, it's the attitude and way that they do it.
It's not just what they do, it's the attitude and way that they do it. MorkofYork
  • Score: -9

6:10pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Alf Garnett says...

YorkPatrol wrote:
bloodaxe wrote:
Just watch the increase in congestion from now on.....
And a decrease from those areas where the traffic was orginally diverted
No, just an increase. Or rather a reversion to the status quo ante.
[quote][p][bold]YorkPatrol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bloodaxe[/bold] wrote: Just watch the increase in congestion from now on.....[/p][/quote]And a decrease from those areas where the traffic was orginally diverted[/p][/quote]No, just an increase. Or rather a reversion to the status quo ante. Alf Garnett
  • Score: -19

6:18pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Alf Garnett says...

MorkofYork wrote:
York Labour, filled with hate, were never going to win the hearts and minds of the people. Kings square reinvigoration is really make the square less accommodating to cars. 20mph signs on cul-de-sacs. Doing everything they can to legitimize fining 53000 people because of their choice of transport.

Only the hate filled support them.
Seems that it ain't just York Labour who are filled with hate, judging from some of the posts on this site. Actually King's Square was just a rather squalid mess, with clapped-out street furniture and signage, awful broken tarmac road, dirty broken paving and a general air of knackeredness. Sorry old chum but in cities which cater for tourists (which provide thousands of jobs and keep York as one of the most bouyant UK retail cities ) the appearance actually means money. Investment in appearance always pays. As I used to find in my dancing years.
[quote][p][bold]MorkofYork[/bold] wrote: York Labour, filled with hate, were never going to win the hearts and minds of the people. Kings square reinvigoration is really make the square less accommodating to cars. 20mph signs on cul-de-sacs. Doing everything they can to legitimize fining 53000 people because of their choice of transport. Only the hate filled support them.[/p][/quote]Seems that it ain't just York Labour who are filled with hate, judging from some of the posts on this site. Actually King's Square was just a rather squalid mess, with clapped-out street furniture and signage, awful broken tarmac road, dirty broken paving and a general air of knackeredness. Sorry old chum but in cities which cater for tourists (which provide thousands of jobs and keep York as one of the most bouyant UK retail cities [fact]) the appearance actually means money. Investment in appearance always pays. As I used to find in my dancing years. Alf Garnett
  • Score: -13

6:20pm Wed 9 Apr 14

JasBro says...

yorkshirelad wrote:
Don't you just wish all the politocos would go away. Jumping on bandwagons to fight your party's cause damages our city. For years decsions have gone one way and then the other because many times it's not the decisions that matters...it's simply giving the other lot a bloody nose. Whether it's the Clifton Green reversal or this, York suffers when local politicians point score like this.
In many areas, closing a city-centre bridge as part of controlling traffic in a historic city-centre would be Lib Dem policy. Here you have given Labour a bloody nose...but is it really consistent with your transport and environmental policies? After tuition fees. maybe we can assume nothing...
It's the faceless and utterly useless traffic planning officers that have really messed up this city's transport policies for the last decade.

They should all resign now.
[quote][p][bold]yorkshirelad[/bold] wrote: Don't you just wish all the politocos would go away. Jumping on bandwagons to fight your party's cause damages our city. For years decsions have gone one way and then the other because many times it's not the decisions that matters...it's simply giving the other lot a bloody nose. Whether it's the Clifton Green reversal or this, York suffers when local politicians point score like this. In many areas, closing a city-centre bridge as part of controlling traffic in a historic city-centre would be Lib Dem policy. Here you have given Labour a bloody nose...but is it really consistent with your transport and environmental policies? After tuition fees. maybe we can assume nothing...[/p][/quote]It's the faceless and utterly useless traffic planning officers that have really messed up this city's transport policies for the last decade. They should all resign now. JasBro
  • Score: -77

6:22pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Alf Garnett says...

Yorkborneinbse wrote:
YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
"One councillor, who did not wish to be named, said: “If we continue with this, we will lose the next election”.

Carry on lovey! it's a foregone conclusion that you lot are out next elections!

As a lifelong labour voter you have lost my vote because of

A, Beckfield Lane tip
B, the money wasted on gipsy site's
C, Lendal Bridge
D, the 20mph fiasco
E, Kings Square
F, The whopping big pay rise to edmonson-jones
G, the 70k non job you created to keep a certain person from leaving to go to st johns uni
H, Totally Simply-Wrongs attitude
I, you are turning this city into a **** hole!
J, James Alexander
K, the rainbow flag on the mansion house (not anti gay, just thought it was inappropriate to fly it)
L, etc etc etc

bye bye was nice knowing you xx
The OX says...

Whats the Press and the people, + and the prat PP going to talk about when this is over lol

I think there are a number of issues that are listed above plus the £4million West Yorkshire exclusive boys club.
M. Removing bins in the City Centre
N. The smokings banned, police department
O. The station traffic fiasco
P. The bendy bus
Q. Their new office
R. The public toilets
S. The small business rates

You really couldnt make it up. An embarassment to themselves, and us
Embarrassed ? Them or you ?
[quote][p][bold]Yorkborneinbse[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: "One councillor, who did not wish to be named, said: “If we continue with this, we will lose the next election”. Carry on lovey! it's a foregone conclusion that you lot are out next elections! As a lifelong labour voter you have lost my vote because of A, Beckfield Lane tip B, the money wasted on gipsy site's C, Lendal Bridge D, the 20mph fiasco E, Kings Square F, The whopping big pay rise to edmonson-jones G, the 70k non job you created to keep a certain person from leaving to go to st johns uni H, Totally Simply-Wrongs attitude I, you are turning this city into a **** hole! J, James Alexander K, the rainbow flag on the mansion house (not anti gay, just thought it was inappropriate to fly it) L, etc etc etc bye bye was nice knowing you xx[/p][/quote]The OX says... Whats the Press and the people, + and the prat PP going to talk about when this is over lol I think there are a number of issues that are listed above plus the £4million West Yorkshire exclusive boys club.[/p][/quote]M. Removing bins in the City Centre N. The smokings banned, police department O. The station traffic fiasco P. The bendy bus Q. Their new office R. The public toilets S. The small business rates You really couldnt make it up. An embarassment to themselves, and us[/p][/quote]Embarrassed ? Them or you ? Alf Garnett
  • Score: -89

6:38pm Wed 9 Apr 14

MorkofYork says...

Kings square looks terrible. Anti car measures first then historic integrity second.

If they cared about tourists why are they so keen on fining nearly 40000 of them ?

They're even lying now about their reasons for ending the closure. If you lie to protect your integrity you automatically lose your integrity.
Kings square looks terrible. Anti car measures first then historic integrity second. If they cared about tourists why are they so keen on fining nearly 40000 of them ? They're even lying now about their reasons for ending the closure. If you lie to protect your integrity you automatically lose your integrity. MorkofYork
  • Score: -48

8:17pm Wed 9 Apr 14

chunkyyorkie says...

First this council has a bad history of ignoring the voters opinions on various other ventures it was hell bent on implementing whether the vast majority wanted them or not.
Second York’s congestion wouldn’t be half as bad if the local councils of the last couple of decades haven’t all been determined to keep closing off existing roads with bollards (often the streets where councillors live down) and reducing road space even more by turning the existing lanes to bus lanes, the buses are often empty, late and obviously too expensive.
Third point the pollution issue did not get solved by closing Lendal Bridge it simply got moved to the other streets where motorists had to use instead.
Fourth point is the reported facts that bus journeys since the bridge closure have on average increased by 9 minutes a journey.
It’s high time this arrogant council stopped ignoring the residents of the city who put them in power (most voters own cars don’t forget). The pomposity of these people who think their exercise was a way of educating us all into using buses was just beyond comprehension. A democracy doesn’t generally vote for dictators! And those of us who care for the city and have lived here a long time have a pretty good idea of what works and what doesn’t and it’s a shame the buffoons who so desperately need to feel in charge seem to lose common sense.
And the 20mph zones seem to be ignored by drivers because they make no sense…..and no action is ever taken. Police and council vehicles ignore them too. Decent cyclists can go that speed, are they going to be fined for speeding now? and why litter small cul-de-sacs with signs when there hasn’t been the merest hint of a road incident in decades??! They’ve gone mad, when are the election’s?
First this council has a bad history of ignoring the voters opinions on various other ventures it was hell bent on implementing whether the vast majority wanted them or not. Second York’s congestion wouldn’t be half as bad if the local councils of the last couple of decades haven’t all been determined to keep closing off existing roads with bollards (often the streets where councillors live down) and reducing road space even more by turning the existing lanes to bus lanes, the buses are often empty, late and obviously too expensive. Third point the pollution issue did not get solved by closing Lendal Bridge it simply got moved to the other streets where motorists had to use instead. Fourth point is the reported facts that bus journeys since the bridge closure have on average increased by 9 minutes a journey. It’s high time this arrogant council stopped ignoring the residents of the city who put them in power (most voters own cars don’t forget). The pomposity of these people who think their exercise was a way of educating us all into using buses was just beyond comprehension. A democracy doesn’t generally vote for dictators! And those of us who care for the city and have lived here a long time have a pretty good idea of what works and what doesn’t and it’s a shame the buffoons who so desperately need to feel in charge seem to lose common sense. And the 20mph zones seem to be ignored by drivers because they make no sense…..and no action is ever taken. Police and council vehicles ignore them too. Decent cyclists can go that speed, are they going to be fined for speeding now? and why litter small cul-de-sacs with signs when there hasn’t been the merest hint of a road incident in decades??! They’ve gone mad, when are the election’s? chunkyyorkie
  • Score: -74

8:56pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Pinza-C55 says...

And as if James Alexander hasn't plumbed enough depths, tonight's story "James Alexander didn't know his real father". It's beyond parody.
"Please feel sorry for me because I have had a hard life".
He'll be writing in to "Take A Break" next.
And as if James Alexander hasn't plumbed enough depths, tonight's story "James Alexander didn't know his real father". It's beyond parody. "Please feel sorry for me because I have had a hard life". He'll be writing in to "Take A Break" next. Pinza-C55
  • Score: -45

9:30pm Wed 9 Apr 14

MorkofYork says...

Lol i only just watched the video. They gave up because they were cornered and had no choice, after a week of fighting and empty threats, nothing to do with listening to us.
They can't keep going with the closure without the cameras without admitting fault and they can't go on with the cameras because they know it's illegal.

He has lost some weight though, i can't knock him for that.
Lol i only just watched the video. They gave up because they were cornered and had no choice, after a week of fighting and empty threats, nothing to do with listening to us. They can't keep going with the closure without the cameras without admitting fault and they can't go on with the cameras because they know it's illegal. He has lost some weight though, i can't knock him for that. MorkofYork
  • Score: -26

5:53am Thu 10 Apr 14

Magicman! says...

Just in time for Easter... I'm sure all the tourists arriving by sustainable transport options will love seeing the view towards York Minster engulfed by bumper-to-bumper traffic, being choked by fumes at the same time.

Aspects of the closure were botched, there should have been measures to increase capacity elsewhere on the road network first. But what's done is done. Repaying fines should not be an option, as that will cost more than the net gain to the city so far, and will come out of everybody's council tax bills for the next 2-3 years, and I for one don't want to have an increased council tax bill come through my door just to subsidise potentially dangerous drivers who don't see road signs and/or ignore them, whilst every time I go out I then get held up in a longer queue of traffic over the bridge.

Let's hope the traffic lights at the bottom of Lendal Bridge are altered back again though. during the day they are only on green for 12 seconds - once all the traffic comes back that 'green time' needs to be a minimum of 25 seconds. Oh and whilst they're at it, get rid of the pointless red light for traffic from Station Avenue onto Lendal Bridge - it used to only go red if a pedestrian pushed the 'wait' button on the crossing point, but now it just goes red in sequence with the lights for traffic going straight across into Rougier Street.
Just in time for Easter... I'm sure all the tourists arriving by sustainable transport options will love seeing the view towards York Minster engulfed by bumper-to-bumper traffic, being choked by fumes at the same time. Aspects of the closure were botched, there should have been measures to increase capacity elsewhere on the road network first. But what's done is done. Repaying fines should not be an option, as that will cost more than the net gain to the city so far, and will come out of everybody's council tax bills for the next 2-3 years, and I for one don't want to have an increased council tax bill come through my door just to subsidise potentially dangerous drivers who don't see road signs and/or ignore them, whilst every time I go out I then get held up in a longer queue of traffic over the bridge. Let's hope the traffic lights at the bottom of Lendal Bridge are altered back again though. during the day they are only on green for 12 seconds - once all the traffic comes back that 'green time' needs to be a minimum of 25 seconds. Oh and whilst they're at it, get rid of the pointless red light for traffic from Station Avenue onto Lendal Bridge - it used to only go red if a pedestrian pushed the 'wait' button on the crossing point, but now it just goes red in sequence with the lights for traffic going straight across into Rougier Street. Magicman!
  • Score: 97

10:24am Thu 10 Apr 14

soprano 2 says...

"Just in time for Easter... I'm sure all the tourists arriving by sustainable transport options will love seeing the view towards York Minster engulfed by bumper-to-bumper traffic, being choked by fumes at the same time."
I am sure the tourists will be happy that they do not receive a fine for crossing the bridge. As an ex resident - I have just had two weeks in York - I know where the bridge is - do tourists? The signs stated "Lendal Bridge closed- no mention of where it is. Plus, how can traffic flow have been judged , where there seemed to be such a of of road works in place.
"Just in time for Easter... I'm sure all the tourists arriving by sustainable transport options will love seeing the view towards York Minster engulfed by bumper-to-bumper traffic, being choked by fumes at the same time." I am sure the tourists will be happy that they do not receive a fine for crossing the bridge. As an ex resident - I have just had two weeks in York - I know where the bridge is - do tourists? The signs stated "Lendal Bridge closed- no mention of where it is. Plus, how can traffic flow have been judged , where there seemed to be such a of of road works in place. soprano 2
  • Score: 7

11:28am Thu 10 Apr 14

the original Homer says...

Magicman! wrote:
Just in time for Easter... I'm sure all the tourists arriving by sustainable transport options will love seeing the view towards York Minster engulfed by bumper-to-bumper traffic, being choked by fumes at the same time.

Aspects of the closure were botched, there should have been measures to increase capacity elsewhere on the road network first. But what's done is done. Repaying fines should not be an option, as that will cost more than the net gain to the city so far, and will come out of everybody's council tax bills for the next 2-3 years, and I for one don't want to have an increased council tax bill come through my door just to subsidise potentially dangerous drivers who don't see road signs and/or ignore them, whilst every time I go out I then get held up in a longer queue of traffic over the bridge.

Let's hope the traffic lights at the bottom of Lendal Bridge are altered back again though. during the day they are only on green for 12 seconds - once all the traffic comes back that 'green time' needs to be a minimum of 25 seconds. Oh and whilst they're at it, get rid of the pointless red light for traffic from Station Avenue onto Lendal Bridge - it used to only go red if a pedestrian pushed the 'wait' button on the crossing point, but now it just goes red in sequence with the lights for traffic going straight across into Rougier Street.
"Repaying fines should not be an option"

Unfortunately, it will be the only option, at least for anyone who chooses to pursue it.

The choice may come down to paying everyone back what they paid, or waiting to see how many take it further. Gambling on the latter could be expensive though, because people will pursue costs and interest. There is also the possibility that a judgement on one case could result in an order to repay everyone anyway.

The fines are currently adjudged to be illegal (pending appeal), but I don't see any grounds for an appeal succeeding. That makes it just a matter of time, unless anyone sees something I've not seen.
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: Just in time for Easter... I'm sure all the tourists arriving by sustainable transport options will love seeing the view towards York Minster engulfed by bumper-to-bumper traffic, being choked by fumes at the same time. Aspects of the closure were botched, there should have been measures to increase capacity elsewhere on the road network first. But what's done is done. Repaying fines should not be an option, as that will cost more than the net gain to the city so far, and will come out of everybody's council tax bills for the next 2-3 years, and I for one don't want to have an increased council tax bill come through my door just to subsidise potentially dangerous drivers who don't see road signs and/or ignore them, whilst every time I go out I then get held up in a longer queue of traffic over the bridge. Let's hope the traffic lights at the bottom of Lendal Bridge are altered back again though. during the day they are only on green for 12 seconds - once all the traffic comes back that 'green time' needs to be a minimum of 25 seconds. Oh and whilst they're at it, get rid of the pointless red light for traffic from Station Avenue onto Lendal Bridge - it used to only go red if a pedestrian pushed the 'wait' button on the crossing point, but now it just goes red in sequence with the lights for traffic going straight across into Rougier Street.[/p][/quote]"Repaying fines should not be an option" Unfortunately, it will be the only option, at least for anyone who chooses to pursue it. The choice may come down to paying everyone back what they paid, or waiting to see how many take it further. Gambling on the latter could be expensive though, because people will pursue costs and interest. There is also the possibility that a judgement on one case could result in an order to repay everyone anyway. The fines are currently adjudged to be illegal (pending appeal), but I don't see any grounds for an appeal succeeding. That makes it just a matter of time, unless anyone sees something I've not seen. the original Homer
  • Score: 2

1:19pm Thu 10 Apr 14

MorkofYork says...

"Repaying fines should not be an option, as that will cost more than the net gain to the city so far"

You just don't get it. It's dirty money that should never have been taken. This is due the the incompetence of the council, not the tourists. It should be paid back.
"Repaying fines should not be an option, as that will cost more than the net gain to the city so far" You just don't get it. It's dirty money that should never have been taken. This is due the the incompetence of the council, not the tourists. It should be paid back. MorkofYork
  • Score: 6

1:53pm Thu 10 Apr 14

MorkofYork says...

53000 people not only fined but insulted. This is a perfect example of the hate we've put up with throughout the trial.

The signs were not up to scratch, especially for the first 4 months, even the council knew this but decided to lie and keep taking money anyway.
The lay out of the road is a trap, the bridge is around a blind corner and there's no where to turn around at the last minute.
The amount of exempt traffic made it even more confusing.

These are huge numbers of guests being affected, anyone can see something was wrong. You have to hate cars and drivers if you can't see this.
53000 people not only fined but insulted. This is a perfect example of the hate we've put up with throughout the trial. The signs were not up to scratch, especially for the first 4 months, even the council knew this but decided to lie and keep taking money anyway. The lay out of the road is a trap, the bridge is around a blind corner and there's no where to turn around at the last minute. The amount of exempt traffic made it even more confusing. These are huge numbers of guests being affected, anyone can see something was wrong. You have to hate cars and drivers if you can't see this. MorkofYork
  • Score: 9

2:07pm Thu 10 Apr 14

yorkshirelad says...

A couple of comments above talk about NEEDING to drive to get around and so, understandably, not happy with the bridge closure. You folks who drive as part of a business should be doing all you can to support measures to help others (the majority of car drivers who could probably walk/cycle/bus/tram etc).

The irony of all of this is that some essential users oppose the very measures that will, in the long run, help them. For example, if you drive a van around York, losing money while you sit in crawling traffic, you should really support every measure to make walking/cycling/publ
ic transport better - helping people who could do, get out of their cars. You guys will be the biggest losers if we don't manage to reduce congestion.
A couple of comments above talk about NEEDING to drive to get around and so, understandably, not happy with the bridge closure. You folks who drive as part of a business should be doing all you can to support measures to help others (the majority of car drivers who could probably walk/cycle/bus/tram etc). The irony of all of this is that some essential users oppose the very measures that will, in the long run, help them. For example, if you drive a van around York, losing money while you sit in crawling traffic, you should really support every measure to make walking/cycling/publ ic transport better - helping people who could do, get out of their cars. You guys will be the biggest losers if we don't manage to reduce congestion. yorkshirelad
  • Score: -5

3:51pm Thu 10 Apr 14

chunkyyorkie says...

Its a stunning council that has a department within one of the UK's most popular tourist destination who are dedicated to promoting York as a visitor destination......and hen the very same council introduce a policy that has managed to fine and upset 50,000 people who will remember York in a very sour way and probably have no desire to return because of it. Brilliant!
Its a stunning council that has a department within one of the UK's most popular tourist destination who are dedicated to promoting York as a visitor destination......and hen the very same council introduce a policy that has managed to fine and upset 50,000 people who will remember York in a very sour way and probably have no desire to return because of it. Brilliant! chunkyyorkie
  • Score: 9

5:13pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Cheeky face says...

Original Homer is spot on.

Lots of councils are in a similar position; - waiting for legal advice.

Penalty Charge Notice.co.uk has useful info.

Congestion charging is not appropriate as we have no viable alternative yet.

As the confusion on legality continues York people need to work together to solve transport issues. Ex traffic cops, regular road users should be invited on to a "think tank" team.

In the meantime York city centre, A1237 ring road and the large Hopgrove Roundabout, will be problematical at events/holiday periods.

York, Harrogate etc will benefit from well-positioned transportable variable message illumination boards for the cycle event. Have we any money left in the kitty for some of these or will we hope the Leeds based cycle event
can conjure up funds from elsewhere?
Original Homer is spot on. Lots of councils are in a similar position; - waiting for legal advice. Penalty Charge Notice.co.uk has useful info. Congestion charging is not appropriate as we have no viable alternative yet. As the confusion on legality continues York people need to work together to solve transport issues. Ex traffic cops, regular road users should be invited on to a "think tank" team. In the meantime York city centre, A1237 ring road and the large Hopgrove Roundabout, will be problematical at events/holiday periods. York, Harrogate etc will benefit from well-positioned transportable variable message illumination boards for the cycle event. Have we any money left in the kitty for some of these or will we hope the Leeds based cycle event can conjure up funds from elsewhere? Cheeky face
  • Score: 0

6:22pm Fri 11 Apr 14

JasBro says...

yorkshirelad wrote:
A couple of comments above talk about NEEDING to drive to get around and so, understandably, not happy with the bridge closure. You folks who drive as part of a business should be doing all you can to support measures to help others (the majority of car drivers who could probably walk/cycle/bus/tram etc).

The irony of all of this is that some essential users oppose the very measures that will, in the long run, help them. For example, if you drive a van around York, losing money while you sit in crawling traffic, you should really support every measure to make walking/cycling/publ

ic transport better - helping people who could do, get out of their cars. You guys will be the biggest losers if we don't manage to reduce congestion.
Why would anybody support measures which simply haven't worked?

Congestion and pollution have increased while car use has remained stable. Cycle use has decreased in spite of all the efforts to encourage it.

The biggest losers are those that can't see the obvious failure of current policies. Fresh ideas are required.

Also, which tram would you like the people of York to use? Nice idea, but until it actually exists, it's not really a viable option.
[quote][p][bold]yorkshirelad[/bold] wrote: A couple of comments above talk about NEEDING to drive to get around and so, understandably, not happy with the bridge closure. You folks who drive as part of a business should be doing all you can to support measures to help others (the majority of car drivers who could probably walk/cycle/bus/tram etc). The irony of all of this is that some essential users oppose the very measures that will, in the long run, help them. For example, if you drive a van around York, losing money while you sit in crawling traffic, you should really support every measure to make walking/cycling/publ ic transport better - helping people who could do, get out of their cars. You guys will be the biggest losers if we don't manage to reduce congestion.[/p][/quote]Why would anybody support measures which simply haven't worked? Congestion and pollution have increased while car use has remained stable. Cycle use has decreased in spite of all the efforts to encourage it. The biggest losers are those that can't see the obvious failure of current policies. Fresh ideas are required. Also, which tram would you like the people of York to use? Nice idea, but until it actually exists, it's not really a viable option. JasBro
  • Score: 3

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