City of York Council has 'no power' to issue Lendal Bridge or Coppergate fines, says ruling

York Press: Councillors Chris Steward and Ann Reid at Lendal Bridge. A Government inspector now says fines should not have been imposed on drivers Councillors Chris Steward and Ann Reid at Lendal Bridge. A Government inspector now says fines should not have been imposed on drivers

CITY leaders have no power to issue fines through traffic restrictions on Lendal Bridge and Coppergate in York, the Government's traffic adjudicator has ruled.

The adjudicator said neither of the schemes could be "sensibly" described as bus lanes, meaning City of York Council has "no power to issue a penalty charge notice".

The council has said the restrictions both on Lendal Bridge and Coppergate WILL remain in place and drivers should continue to obey them, despite the judgement, as it seeks "independent legal advice".

Coun Dave Merrett, the cabinet member for transport, this evening told The Press: "I am obviously very perturbed at the adjudicator's decision.

"We will clearly need to look at it very carefully and I will need to get legal and officers' advice to make the appropriate response."

A decision on whether the bridge trial should continue is due to be made by the Labour cabinet next month, but the adjudicator's report throws its future into doubt.

>> Read the adjudicator's report in full here: Traffic Ruling.pdf 

Adjudicator Stephen Knapp, who visited York in February to assess the schemes, ruled on the single case of a driver fined for using Coppergate last August and stated that because 14 exemptions apply on that street and 21 are in place on Lendal Bridge, the roads could not be classed as a bus lane.

It said: "In my judgement, notwithstanding the designation in the traffic order, neither Coppergate nor Lendal Bridge can sensibly be described as a bus lane, street or gate, but rather the roads are part of a general traffic scheme from which non-exempt vehicles are restricted at certain times and where buses are just one of the excepted categories or classes of vehicle."

"Clearly the council has power to impose those restrictions, but because Schedule 7 of the TMA [Traffic Management Act] has not been fully implemented, civil enforcement does not apply and there is no power to issue a PCN [penalty charge notice]."

The council has made at least £1.3 million in income from fines on Lendal Bridge alone, and has said between £650,000 and £750,000 of this would be ringfenced for transport schemes once the costs of the trial are deducted. More than 53,000 drivers, the majority of them being visitors to the city, were issued with PCNs during the official six-month span of the trial, which ended on February 27.

However, the restrictions have remained in force ahead of a meeting of the cabinet on May 6, when it will decide whether to continue, extend or abandon the scheme. Opposition parties have today said Coun Dave Merrett, cabinet member for transport, should resign or consider his position.

Top traffic lawyer Nick Freeman, known as 'Mr Loophole' for his success in defending celebrity clients, said tonight: "The council had no power to levy these fines and therefore the total penalty charges should be reimbursed to the 53,000 motorists who have been issued with these penalty charge notices.

"I would strongly urge all of the 53,000 motorists to contact City of York Council by letter or email requesting a refund of their money. This ruling could have potentially huge implications for other councils nationally who have similar schemes in operation."

Darren Richardson, the council's director of city and environmental services, said: “City of York Council is seeking independent legal advice in relation to the adjudicator’s decision on this specific appeal.

"We will also be speaking to the Department for Transport, who approved signage used for both schemes. The restrictions will remain in place on Lendal Bridge and Coppergate and we would urge drivers to continue to adhere to these.

“We know that a number of councils nationally will be concerned about this decision and the implications this may have in their area.”

Earlier today, before Coun Merrett's statement, a Labour spokesman said: "A traffic restriction was implemented along Coppergate in the 1960s and there have been many calls for more consistent enforcement. 

"The adjudicator’s letter does not suggest Coppergate or Lendal Bridge restrictions should be lifted and council officers have consistently assured councillors the restrictions are legally compliant."

In his ruling, Mr Knapp said he was cancelling the fine imposed on the driver who appealed against the decision, Nigel Rhodes. He said there was an "inherent ambiguity" in the signs advising drivers of the Lendal Bridge restrictions, because the direction sign did not include the times of the closure.

"The impression is therefore that the two restrictions were entirely separate, the first being a closure of Lendal Bridge, without a reference to a bus or general traffic restriction, and the second a prohibition of motor vehicles at all times," said the judgement, saying that while improvements to signage had been carried out, it was "inadequate" before January this year, by which time the trial had been running for four months.

"Even after January, it remains the case that there is potential for a misunderstanding of the advance signs, but I am persuaded that the signs could then be regarded as adequate," said Mr Knapp's report.

"However, it remains the case that the council should not be able to issue PCNs on the basis of the evidence from the roadside cameras because the restriction was not, on any reasonable view, a bus street."

On Coppergate, Mr Knapp said: "Considering the signing at either end of Coppergate as a whole, I find that it was not adequate to reasonably alert the driver to the terms of the restriction.

"In my judgement, the signs are poorly located and the exception plates, particularly the information about the times when the restriction operates, are not reasonably understandable from a vehicle negotiating the busy junctions. The clarity of the times when the restriction is in force is particularly important in circumstances when there was an alteration of the times which had applied for the previous 50 years."

Conservative group leader Coun Chris Steward said: "The release of the adjudication that Lendal Bridge fines are illegal would be thought by anybody new to York to be an April fool.

"For those of us familiar with the farcical saga, it is entirely predictable given the poor signage, misleading 'restricted access' and the lack of information on where Lendal Bridge even is. For the good of York, I reiterate my group's call for Lendal Bridge to be reopened.

"However, even those who support the trial closure realise it has been handled diabolically, and it is time for Coun Merrett to resign from the cabinet."

Liberal Democrat transport spokeswoman Coun Ann Reid said: “This ruling proves what an utter fiasco Labour’s decision to close Lendal Bridge has become.

"It confirms the council should not even be issuing fines using traffic cameras to drivers crossing Lendal Bridge or Coppergate as they have wrongly classified both as bus lanes. If I was somebody who had received a fine, I would be demanding my money back.

“The ruling supports our concerns that the closure signs were not clear and using words like ‘Restricted Access’ is misleading. It also confirms that often the only way for drivers to avoid the closure is to do a dangerous u-turn on a narrow road.

"This has been a botched closure from start to finish. It has made congestion worse, increased overall bus times, and done reputational damage to York. Labour should reopen Lendal Bridge immediately and the cabinet member responsible for the mess should be considering his position."

York Outer MP Julian Sturdy said: “The closure of Lendal Bridge has been a dog’s breakfast from start to finish.

"Not only has it caused horrendous traffic problems throughout the city, it now appears the council have been wrongly demanding payment for fines which should never have been issued in the first place. The council has failed to oversee the trial closure properly, and I think the very least the council leader should do is apologise for trouble he has caused local residents and businesses.

“Hopefully the council will now see sense, waive the outstanding fines that should never have been handed out, and reopen Lendal Bridge as quickly as possible.”

Green group leader Coun Andy D'Agorne said: "Poorly-implemented restrictions do not mean the principle is wrong, but Labour should have got better advice about the appropriate signage to ensure the restrictions are clear and enforceable."

The Labour spokesman added: "Calls for Labour councillors to resign is what we expect from our Conservative and Liberal Democrat opposition.

"On the more important matter of the adjudicator's comments and their implications, we will await the legal guidance the council is seeking."

>> Read the adjudicator's report in full here: Traffic Ruling.pdf

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12:45pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Prob says...

WHOOPS!
WHOOPS! Prob
  • Score: 986

12:46pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Zetkin says...

Cat.

Pigeons.
Cat. Pigeons. Zetkin
  • Score: 829

12:47pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Lord Muck says...

The pratt who plays with the scores is going to have their work cut out on this.
The pratt who plays with the scores is going to have their work cut out on this. Lord Muck
  • Score: 554

12:47pm Tue 1 Apr 14

powerwatt says...

Well this is going to be costing the council a lot! Who doesn't check this before starting a trial?!

Nice of York Press to credit Minster FM.
Well this is going to be costing the council a lot! Who doesn't check this before starting a trial?! Nice of York Press to credit Minster FM. powerwatt
  • Score: 353

12:49pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Overproof says...

Which means that everyone who has been unlawfully fined should be entitled to a refund.
Which means that everyone who has been unlawfully fined should be entitled to a refund. Overproof
  • Score: 115

12:49pm Tue 1 Apr 14

TheManor says...

A few questions are raised by this:
- will COYC now have to refund all penalty notices that have already been paid?
- by the time you add in the enforcement company's fees, the cost of signage and other expenditure, assuming that absolutely no income will have been made from this trial, what will the cost have been for this to the York council tax payer?
- can the trial now remain in place?
A few questions are raised by this: - will COYC now have to refund all penalty notices that have already been paid? - by the time you add in the enforcement company's fees, the cost of signage and other expenditure, assuming that absolutely no income will have been made from this trial, what will the cost have been for this to the York council tax payer? - can the trial now remain in place? TheManor
  • Score: -670

12:50pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Matt RSJ says...

This is a MASSIVE win for the residents. Thankfully the truth has outed.

And I truly hope that whoever said this WAS a legal standing is held to account. The nerve the council had in penalising and nigh on criminalising the drivers who were issued PCNs is appalling.

Can't wait for Pedalling Prat's take on this news...
This is a MASSIVE win for the residents. Thankfully the truth has outed. And I truly hope that whoever said this WAS a legal standing is held to account. The nerve the council had in penalising and nigh on criminalising the drivers who were issued PCNs is appalling. Can't wait for Pedalling Prat's take on this news... Matt RSJ
  • Score: -638

12:52pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Matt RSJ says...

TheManor wrote:
A few questions are raised by this:
- will COYC now have to refund all penalty notices that have already been paid?
- by the time you add in the enforcement company's fees, the cost of signage and other expenditure, assuming that absolutely no income will have been made from this trial, what will the cost have been for this to the York council tax payer?
- can the trial now remain in place?
Each point in turn (although I am no expert):

"will COYC now have to refund all penalty notices that have already been paid?" - Yes. It was illegal.

", what will the cost have been for this to the York council tax payer?" - Far too much and is as equally criminal as them pocketing the money generated by the fines.

"can the trial now remain in place?" How can it? It's illegal.
[quote][p][bold]TheManor[/bold] wrote: A few questions are raised by this: - will COYC now have to refund all penalty notices that have already been paid? - by the time you add in the enforcement company's fees, the cost of signage and other expenditure, assuming that absolutely no income will have been made from this trial, what will the cost have been for this to the York council tax payer? - can the trial now remain in place?[/p][/quote]Each point in turn (although I am no expert): "will COYC now have to refund all penalty notices that have already been paid?" - Yes. It was illegal. "[by the time you add in the enforcement company's fees, the cost of signage and other expenditure, assuming that absolutely no income will have been made from this trial], what will the cost have been for this to the York council tax payer?" - Far too much and is as equally criminal as them pocketing the money generated by the fines. "can the trial now remain in place?" How can it? It's illegal. Matt RSJ
  • Score: 687

12:52pm Tue 1 Apr 14

The Great Buda says...

Oh dear.
Oh dear. The Great Buda
  • Score: -1482

12:53pm Tue 1 Apr 14

The Great Buda says...

The Great Buda wrote:
Oh dear.
Whoops, forgot to add:

How many people are now going to fight for their money back?
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: Oh dear.[/p][/quote]Whoops, forgot to add: How many people are now going to fight for their money back? The Great Buda
  • Score: -1054

12:53pm Tue 1 Apr 14

yorkandproud says...

All fines must now be refunded. ( have they still got the money, after paying the private company to run the ill thought out scheme ? )Is the Labour cabinet in our City ,fit to continue ? I think not. They must resign. No doubt Alexander, Merrett, Simpson-Laing, and their cronies will carry on regardless, ingnoring the views of the voters, and more importantly, "the Law". Shame on you COYC.
All fines must now be refunded. ( have they still got the money, after paying the private company to run the ill thought out scheme ? )Is the Labour cabinet in our City ,fit to continue ? I think not. They must resign. No doubt Alexander, Merrett, Simpson-Laing, and their cronies will carry on regardless, ingnoring the views of the voters, and more importantly, "the Law". Shame on you COYC. yorkandproud
  • Score: -1018

12:53pm Tue 1 Apr 14

buzzy_bee says...

Firstly this means that all those who were fined (illegally) should get their money back.

Secondly, this means that this will actually cost York taxpayers because this scheme will now be at a loss given that no revenue will be made in fines, the cost of signage and the manpower involved in setting up this scheme, issuing fines and now having to issue refunds.

James Alexander should stand down immediately.
Firstly this means that all those who were fined (illegally) should get their money back. Secondly, this means that this will actually cost York taxpayers because this scheme will now be at a loss given that no revenue will be made in fines, the cost of signage and the manpower involved in setting up this scheme, issuing fines and now having to issue refunds. James Alexander should stand down immediately. buzzy_bee
  • Score: -4207

12:54pm Tue 1 Apr 14

ouseswimmer says...

As I have stated from day one the legalities here have not been followed correctly. Especially with regards to the ending of the trial. The Council will now be forced to hand back all those fines and rate payers will be forced to pay the cost. A complete shambles.
As I have stated from day one the legalities here have not been followed correctly. Especially with regards to the ending of the trial. The Council will now be forced to hand back all those fines and rate payers will be forced to pay the cost. A complete shambles. ouseswimmer
  • Score: -4315

12:54pm Tue 1 Apr 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

That's one of the funniest pieces I've read for ages.

Would be far funnier if it wasn't about to cost York's residents a huge amount of money for a barking scheme with no reasonable benefit apart from people who lived within walking distance...
That's one of the funniest pieces I've read for ages. Would be far funnier if it wasn't about to cost York's residents a huge amount of money for a barking scheme with no reasonable benefit apart from people who lived within walking distance... AGuyFromStrensall
  • Score: -3984

12:54pm Tue 1 Apr 14

GooseTrackLane says...

This is beyond parody. Hilarious.

Potentially the council will respond with a rising bollard...so not as many fines, but more chaos either side of the bridge.
This is beyond parody. Hilarious. Potentially the council will respond with a rising bollard...so not as many fines, but more chaos either side of the bridge. GooseTrackLane
  • Score: -3039

12:55pm Tue 1 Apr 14

TheManor says...

Matt RSJ - my reading of this is that the trial itself is not illegal, it is the way that penalties have been issued (using a camera) that is illegal - so if they put a man with a cap recording registration numbers on the bridge, it might be perfectly possibly to continue to enforce... possibly.
Matt RSJ - my reading of this is that the trial itself is not illegal, it is the way that penalties have been issued (using a camera) that is illegal - so if they put a man with a cap recording registration numbers on the bridge, it might be perfectly possibly to continue to enforce... possibly. TheManor
  • Score: -3298

12:56pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Pinza-C55 says...

TheManor wrote:
A few questions are raised by this:
- will COYC now have to refund all penalty notices that have already been paid?
- by the time you add in the enforcement company's fees, the cost of signage and other expenditure, assuming that absolutely no income will have been made from this trial, what will the cost have been for this to the York council tax payer?
- can the trial now remain in place?
"what will the cost have been for this to the York council tax payer?"
I think the most recent quoted figure was that the Lendal Bridge scheme cost £600,000 in setup and administration. Since the council has no income of it's own we, the taxpayers, may be landed with a hefty bill.
[quote][p][bold]TheManor[/bold] wrote: A few questions are raised by this: - will COYC now have to refund all penalty notices that have already been paid? - by the time you add in the enforcement company's fees, the cost of signage and other expenditure, assuming that absolutely no income will have been made from this trial, what will the cost have been for this to the York council tax payer? - can the trial now remain in place?[/p][/quote]"what will the cost have been for this to the York council tax payer?" I think the most recent quoted figure was that the Lendal Bridge scheme cost £600,000 in setup and administration. Since the council has no income of it's own we, the taxpayers, may be landed with a hefty bill. Pinza-C55
  • Score: -3324

1:03pm Tue 1 Apr 14

buzzy_bee says...

Further to my previous post, this scheme will have damaged tourism because those who have been fined will not return and they will probably have told others who will in turn decide to stay away from York.

This is a utter shambles and somebody needs to be accountable. In my view this has to be James Alexander and the transport cllr. They should act with integrity and resign immediately.
Further to my previous post, this scheme will have damaged tourism because those who have been fined will not return and they will probably have told others who will in turn decide to stay away from York. This is a utter shambles and somebody needs to be accountable. In my view this has to be James Alexander and the transport cllr. They should act with integrity and resign immediately. buzzy_bee
  • Score: -3007

1:04pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Dr Brian says...

I do hope this is not a silly attempt at an April Fool by the Press if it is it could potentially cost people money if they drive over the bridge thinking that they are exempt from fines

Possibly going to cost the rate payers of York a lot of money Perhaps Jimmy and his sidekicks will do the honourable thing and fall on their swords.
I do hope this is not a silly attempt at an April Fool by the Press if it is it could potentially cost people money if they drive over the bridge thinking that they are exempt from fines Possibly going to cost the rate payers of York a lot of money Perhaps Jimmy and his sidekicks will do the honourable thing and fall on their swords. Dr Brian
  • Score: -3309

1:04pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Pinza-C55 says...

TheManor wrote:
Matt RSJ - my reading of this is that the trial itself is not illegal, it is the way that penalties have been issued (using a camera) that is illegal - so if they put a man with a cap recording registration numbers on the bridge, it might be perfectly possibly to continue to enforce... possibly.
My own reading of it is that if LB and Coppergate were "Bus Lanes" then it would be legal.
However since Royal Mail vans, Emergency Vehicles, Taxis, Tour buses, refuse trucks, bicycles etc etc etc (the list goes on) can use them they are not bus lanes so the council are using legislation in a way which was never intended.
[quote][p][bold]TheManor[/bold] wrote: Matt RSJ - my reading of this is that the trial itself is not illegal, it is the way that penalties have been issued (using a camera) that is illegal - so if they put a man with a cap recording registration numbers on the bridge, it might be perfectly possibly to continue to enforce... possibly.[/p][/quote]My own reading of it is that if LB and Coppergate were "Bus Lanes" then it would be legal. However since Royal Mail vans, Emergency Vehicles, Taxis, Tour buses, refuse trucks, bicycles etc etc etc (the list goes on) can use them they are not bus lanes so the council are using legislation in a way which was never intended. Pinza-C55
  • Score: -2252

1:06pm Tue 1 Apr 14

SteadyOn says...

Guess which way I'll be going home when I leave work at 4pm...
Guess which way I'll be going home when I leave work at 4pm... SteadyOn
  • Score: -5624

1:07pm Tue 1 Apr 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Nothing to add, just going to watch how this farce now plays out.
Nothing to add, just going to watch how this farce now plays out. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -5226

1:08pm Tue 1 Apr 14

bolero says...

What a complete c*** *p. Rising bollards indeed. We always knew that this lot were complete and utter clowns. NOW GET OUT.
What a complete c*** *p. Rising bollards indeed. We always knew that this lot were complete and utter clowns. NOW GET OUT. bolero
  • Score: -5188

1:09pm Tue 1 Apr 14

chelk says...

Overproof wrote:
Which means that everyone who has been unlawfully fined should be entitled to a refund.
They may also be able to claim compensation for being fined and the stress involved this could mean a bigger bill for York Residents. If any compensation of any kind has to be paid out then it should come from the wages of the people responsible for implementing this farce. Alternatively they could resign but none of them would do the decent thing.
[quote][p][bold]Overproof[/bold] wrote: Which means that everyone who has been unlawfully fined should be entitled to a refund.[/p][/quote]They may also be able to claim compensation for being fined and the stress involved this could mean a bigger bill for York Residents. If any compensation of any kind has to be paid out then it should come from the wages of the people responsible for implementing this farce. Alternatively they could resign but none of them would do the decent thing. chelk
  • Score: -4587

1:09pm Tue 1 Apr 14

TheManor says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
TheManor wrote:
Matt RSJ - my reading of this is that the trial itself is not illegal, it is the way that penalties have been issued (using a camera) that is illegal - so if they put a man with a cap recording registration numbers on the bridge, it might be perfectly possibly to continue to enforce... possibly.
My own reading of it is that if LB and Coppergate were "Bus Lanes" then it would be legal.
However since Royal Mail vans, Emergency Vehicles, Taxis, Tour buses, refuse trucks, bicycles etc etc etc (the list goes on) can use them they are not bus lanes so the council are using legislation in a way which was never intended.
My own reading of it is that if LB and Coppergate were "Bus Lanes" then it would be legal. However since Royal Mail vans, Emergency Vehicles, Taxis, Tour buses, refuse trucks, bicycles etc etc etc (the list goes on) can use them they are not bus lanes so the council are using legislation in a way which was never intended.

I *think* that the restriction itself is still legal though - albeit probably unenforceable, which means that it is just as effective as a sign saying 'Cars - we'd prefer it if you don't use this bridge please.'
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheManor[/bold] wrote: Matt RSJ - my reading of this is that the trial itself is not illegal, it is the way that penalties have been issued (using a camera) that is illegal - so if they put a man with a cap recording registration numbers on the bridge, it might be perfectly possibly to continue to enforce... possibly.[/p][/quote]My own reading of it is that if LB and Coppergate were "Bus Lanes" then it would be legal. However since Royal Mail vans, Emergency Vehicles, Taxis, Tour buses, refuse trucks, bicycles etc etc etc (the list goes on) can use them they are not bus lanes so the council are using legislation in a way which was never intended.[/p][/quote][quote]My own reading of it is that if LB and Coppergate were "Bus Lanes" then it would be legal. However since Royal Mail vans, Emergency Vehicles, Taxis, Tour buses, refuse trucks, bicycles etc etc etc (the list goes on) can use them they are not bus lanes so the council are using legislation in a way which was never intended.[/quote] I *think* that the restriction itself is still legal though - albeit probably unenforceable, which means that it is just as effective as a sign saying 'Cars - we'd prefer it if you don't use this bridge please.' TheManor
  • Score: -4431

1:11pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Richard Catton says...

This is quite simply the greatest news since VE day.
Drive...drive your cars over your bridge immediately, waving your flags and sounding your horns.
This is quite simply the greatest news since VE day. Drive...drive your cars over your bridge immediately, waving your flags and sounding your horns. Richard Catton
  • Score: -4063

1:14pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Yorkees says...

Hold your horses, don't get too excited yet.

This was first reported by Minster FM this morning (before 12pm) then picked up by the Press this afternoon.

Is it actually true??
Hold your horses, don't get too excited yet. This was first reported by Minster FM this morning (before 12pm) then picked up by the Press this afternoon. Is it actually true?? Yorkees
  • Score: -3835

1:14pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Oaklands Resident says...

The Council were repeatedly told to switch off the ANPR cameras. As recently as the Council meeting last week they refused to even debate the issue. That is culpable and requires the resignation of those involved.

The administrative costs of refunding over 70,000 drivers should not be under-estimated. My guess is that the Council will simply not contest any appeals that are registered.

However with 80% of fines having been levied against "visitors" how many will actually find out that they are entitled to a refund.

If the ANPR cameras are not turned of today then someone at the Council could face criminal charges
The Council were repeatedly told to switch off the ANPR cameras. As recently as the Council meeting last week they refused to even debate the issue. That is culpable and requires the resignation of those involved. The administrative costs of refunding over 70,000 drivers should not be under-estimated. My guess is that the Council will simply not contest any appeals that are registered. However with 80% of fines having been levied against "visitors" how many will actually find out that they are entitled to a refund. If the ANPR cameras are not turned of today then someone at the Council could face criminal charges Oaklands Resident
  • Score: -3333

1:16pm Tue 1 Apr 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

Yorkees wrote:
Hold your horses, don't get too excited yet.

This was first reported by Minster FM this morning (before 12pm) then picked up by the Press this afternoon.

Is it actually true??
You'd hope they'd fact check, but It'd almost be worth the disappointment for the hilariousness of finding out that the Press had failed *that* badly...
[quote][p][bold]Yorkees[/bold] wrote: Hold your horses, don't get too excited yet. This was first reported by Minster FM this morning (before 12pm) then picked up by the Press this afternoon. Is it actually true??[/p][/quote]You'd hope they'd fact check, but It'd almost be worth the disappointment for the hilariousness of finding out that the Press had failed *that* badly... AGuyFromStrensall
  • Score: -3263

1:18pm Tue 1 Apr 14

The Analyst says...

HA -HA -HA -HA -HA -HA -HA

Brilliant news, eggs on the faces of some local clowns, sorry politicians this afternoon eh!

Roll on 2015!!
HA -HA -HA -HA -HA -HA -HA Brilliant news, eggs on the faces of some local clowns, sorry politicians this afternoon eh! Roll on 2015!! The Analyst
  • Score: -2981

1:19pm Tue 1 Apr 14

sniper 9964 says...

Incompetent CyC buffoons !!!!
Incompetent CyC buffoons !!!! sniper 9964
  • Score: -2613

1:19pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Pinza-C55 says...

For the very first time in my life I am actually looking forward to the first Pedalling Paul comment 8-)
For the very first time in my life I am actually looking forward to the first Pedalling Paul comment 8-) Pinza-C55
  • Score: -2438

1:20pm Tue 1 Apr 14

sniper 9964 says...

April Fools ????
April Fools ???? sniper 9964
  • Score: -2367

1:22pm Tue 1 Apr 14

The Analyst says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
TheManor wrote:
A few questions are raised by this:
- will COYC now have to refund all penalty notices that have already been paid?
- by the time you add in the enforcement company's fees, the cost of signage and other expenditure, assuming that absolutely no income will have been made from this trial, what will the cost have been for this to the York council tax payer?
- can the trial now remain in place?
"what will the cost have been for this to the York council tax payer?"
I think the most recent quoted figure was that the Lendal Bridge scheme cost £600,000 in setup and administration. Since the council has no income of it's own we, the taxpayers, may be landed with a hefty bill.
ANY costs associated with this stupid scheme should come directly out of the pockets of those associated with it. Fair game to me!
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheManor[/bold] wrote: A few questions are raised by this: - will COYC now have to refund all penalty notices that have already been paid? - by the time you add in the enforcement company's fees, the cost of signage and other expenditure, assuming that absolutely no income will have been made from this trial, what will the cost have been for this to the York council tax payer? - can the trial now remain in place?[/p][/quote]"what will the cost have been for this to the York council tax payer?" I think the most recent quoted figure was that the Lendal Bridge scheme cost £600,000 in setup and administration. Since the council has no income of it's own we, the taxpayers, may be landed with a hefty bill.[/p][/quote]ANY costs associated with this stupid scheme should come directly out of the pockets of those associated with it. Fair game to me! The Analyst
  • Score: -2191

1:22pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Knavesmire view says...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Are we seriously suprised. This incumbent Council has been incompetent at best, neglible at worst.

An omnishambles of the highest order.

They should all resign now!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Are we seriously suprised. This incumbent Council has been incompetent at best, neglible at worst. An omnishambles of the highest order. They should all resign now!! Knavesmire view
  • Score: -1928

1:23pm Tue 1 Apr 14

TheTruthHurts says...

I have been saying for a long time that this would end up costing the taxpayer big time.

This cost is likely to run into the hundreds of thousands now. because if this is illegal then all of the money will have to be refunded without prompt and including interest. The company processing all of the fines will still have to be paid. YCC will not get a refund on all of the signage and think of all the man hours spent placing and tweaking the signs, then all of the consultations etc. I presume that the council will start conducting an internal review which will also cost us.

In my trade this is called dropping a serious Pollock (we are family friendly at our spot :-))

When the true costs are revealed i wonder who the fall guys(s) and gal(s) will be.

Given the controversy already surrounding the bridge closure this is a huge story!
I have been saying for a long time that this would end up costing the taxpayer big time. This cost is likely to run into the hundreds of thousands now. because if this is illegal then all of the money will have to be refunded without prompt and including interest. The company processing all of the fines will still have to be paid. YCC will not get a refund on all of the signage and think of all the man hours spent placing and tweaking the signs, then all of the consultations etc. I presume that the council will start conducting an internal review which will also cost us. In my trade this is called dropping a serious Pollock (we are family friendly at our spot :-)) When the true costs are revealed i wonder who the fall guys(s) and gal(s) will be. Given the controversy already surrounding the bridge closure this is a huge story! TheTruthHurts
  • Score: -1896

1:24pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Hahahahaha Muppets... so 600k it cost to implement to date... but that was about a month or so ago and administration costs etc will have continued since then. Call it 700k out of pocket... and it’s not just the fines that they will be paying back. people will want damages (and admin costs for refunds) for inconvenience too.. I’d suggest that this scheme of causing traffic mayhem will cost us around 1mill.... Bye bye Alexander (Fat jimmy carr) & merrit... and 20 is plenty should be sacked too for wasting 500k on signs that can not be implemented. I take that to a total of 1.5m that has been wasted on traffic management in a year.... Heads should role asap.
Hahahahaha Muppets... so 600k it cost to implement to date... but that was about a month or so ago and administration costs etc will have continued since then. Call it 700k out of pocket... and it’s not just the fines that they will be paying back. people will want damages (and admin costs for refunds) for inconvenience too.. I’d suggest that this scheme of causing traffic mayhem will cost us around 1mill.... Bye bye Alexander (Fat jimmy carr) & merrit... and 20 is plenty should be sacked too for wasting 500k on signs that can not be implemented. I take that to a total of 1.5m that has been wasted on traffic management in a year.... Heads should role asap. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -1720

1:24pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Dr Brian says...

sniper 9964 wrote:
April Fools ????
Well if it is as I said earlier the Press could find a lot of people totally peed off by them publishing and it could cost people money driving over the bridge because the Press have encouraged them to with the article

That to me would make the Press the fools.
[quote][p][bold]sniper 9964[/bold] wrote: April Fools ????[/p][/quote]Well if it is as I said earlier the Press could find a lot of people totally peed off by them publishing and it could cost people money driving over the bridge because the Press have encouraged them to with the article That to me would make the Press the fools. Dr Brian
  • Score: -1569

1:30pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
For the very first time in my life I am actually looking forward to the first Pedalling Paul comment 8-)
it will be something along the lines of... "while it is not legal people still need to prepare for the future and that is cycling the time of the combustion engine is over, more cycle lanes are required and cars should be banned from the city centre. (typed while sniffing bike seat)"
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: For the very first time in my life I am actually looking forward to the first Pedalling Paul comment 8-)[/p][/quote]it will be something along the lines of... "while it is not legal people still need to prepare for the future and that is cycling the time of the combustion engine is over, more cycle lanes are required and cars should be banned from the city centre. (typed while sniffing bike seat)" Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -1523

1:31pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Bailed Out says...

Can't wait for the comment from the clowns.
Can't wait for the comment from the clowns. Bailed Out
  • Score: 5884

1:36pm Tue 1 Apr 14

yorkdiamond says...

Dr Brian wrote:
sniper 9964 wrote:
April Fools ????
Well if it is as I said earlier the Press could find a lot of people totally peed off by them publishing and it could cost people money driving over the bridge because the Press have encouraged them to with the article

That to me would make the Press the fools.
Also if someone fools another after 12.00 then the fooler is the fool?

woould be a great way to upset a lot of people in york though, so will wait and see.

spaghetti tree anyone?
[quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sniper 9964[/bold] wrote: April Fools ????[/p][/quote]Well if it is as I said earlier the Press could find a lot of people totally peed off by them publishing and it could cost people money driving over the bridge because the Press have encouraged them to with the article That to me would make the Press the fools.[/p][/quote]Also if someone fools another after 12.00 then the fooler is the fool? woould be a great way to upset a lot of people in york though, so will wait and see. spaghetti tree anyone? yorkdiamond
  • Score: 8052

1:37pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Justin7 says...

This is a terrible decision, made just a day after the UN report that global warming is going to result in the country being entirely flooded in the next decade until we stop driving petrol cars.

Merrit is a hero for trying to save this city from the tragic horror that could happen to our city with cars everywhere.

Protect York. Make it entirely petrol vehicle free!
This is a terrible decision, made just a day after the UN report that global warming is going to result in the country being entirely flooded in the next decade until we stop driving petrol cars. Merrit is a hero for trying to save this city from the tragic horror that could happen to our city with cars everywhere. Protect York. Make it entirely petrol vehicle free! Justin7
  • Score: -9516

1:37pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Dr Brian says...

Reading the adjudicators report http://www.yorkpress
.co.uk/resources/fil
es/31754
it would appear the Press are not playing an April Fool but James Aleander and his Merry Men are the Fools!
Reading the adjudicators report http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/resources/fil es/31754 it would appear the Press are not playing an April Fool but James Aleander and his Merry Men are the Fools! Dr Brian
  • Score: -1276

1:37pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Jim says...

Morally the fines should be refunded but I suspect as in other cases where the traffic adjudicator has ruled against such things (a bus lane in Birmingham springs to mind), they won't be. Any outstanding tickets will be cancelled and no more issued but nothing will be done to refund anybody who paid up without challenging their penalty.
Morally the fines should be refunded but I suspect as in other cases where the traffic adjudicator has ruled against such things (a bus lane in Birmingham springs to mind), they won't be. Any outstanding tickets will be cancelled and no more issued but nothing will be done to refund anybody who paid up without challenging their penalty. Jim
  • Score: -1197

1:42pm Tue 1 Apr 14

m dee says...

The annoying thing is this lot are highly paid from the public purse have legal departments,officers
,traffic planners, people with job titles unknown to most of us,yet all they do is make a mess of every thing they, do they are wrecking this City and making it less desirable to visitors/shoppers leaving the residents/businesses to foot the bill, how long before the other unpaid traffic/gridlock experts come on here saying something like its a minor glitch/teething troubles and still a good idea.
The annoying thing is this lot are highly paid from the public purse have legal departments,officers ,traffic planners, people with job titles unknown to most of us,yet all they do is make a mess of every thing they, do they are wrecking this City and making it less desirable to visitors/shoppers leaving the residents/businesses to foot the bill, how long before the other unpaid traffic/gridlock experts come on here saying something like its a minor glitch/teething troubles and still a good idea. m dee
  • Score: -1138

1:43pm Tue 1 Apr 14

MorkofYork says...

Yeah i'm not surprised really, All they have is warped anti motorist vision and complete ignorance of facts. They were always doomed.
Yeah i'm not surprised really, All they have is warped anti motorist vision and complete ignorance of facts. They were always doomed. MorkofYork
  • Score: -1014

1:48pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Dr Brian says...

"James Alexander,Dave Merrett, Tracey Simpson Laing" You boys have taken a helluva beating" ;)
"James Alexander,Dave Merrett, Tracey Simpson Laing" You boys have taken a helluva beating" ;) Dr Brian
  • Score: -1122

1:50pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Dr Brian wrote:
sniper 9964 wrote:
April Fools ????
Well if it is as I said earlier the Press could find a lot of people totally peed off by them publishing and it could cost people money driving over the bridge because the Press have encouraged them to with the article

That to me would make the Press the fools.
It cannot be an April Fool. If you follow the link to the PDF of his adjudication it has his name at the bottom so if the Press invented this and put his name to it they would be in the queue at the Jobcentre behind senior council figures.
Come to think of it I wonder if the council could get a "Crisis Loan"?
[quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sniper 9964[/bold] wrote: April Fools ????[/p][/quote]Well if it is as I said earlier the Press could find a lot of people totally peed off by them publishing and it could cost people money driving over the bridge because the Press have encouraged them to with the article That to me would make the Press the fools.[/p][/quote]It cannot be an April Fool. If you follow the link to the PDF of his adjudication it has his name at the bottom so if the Press invented this and put his name to it they would be in the queue at the Jobcentre behind senior council figures. Come to think of it I wonder if the council could get a "Crisis Loan"? Pinza-C55
  • Score: -1078

1:52pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Mister Matosis says...

And yet.... THE TRIAL CONTINUES!!!!!!!!

It needs to stop NOW. TODAY. NO MORE.
And yet.... THE TRIAL CONTINUES!!!!!!!! It needs to stop NOW. TODAY. NO MORE. Mister Matosis
  • Score: -1009

1:53pm Tue 1 Apr 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

All we need now is a picture of Merret dressed up as Comical Ali telling us that nothing is wrong and the Lendal Bridge closure is going super well and is still the best course of action for the people of York...
All we need now is a picture of Merret dressed up as Comical Ali telling us that nothing is wrong and the Lendal Bridge closure is going super well and is still the best course of action for the people of York... AGuyFromStrensall
  • Score: -1099

1:53pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Dr Brian says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
Dr Brian wrote:
sniper 9964 wrote:
April Fools ????
Well if it is as I said earlier the Press could find a lot of people totally peed off by them publishing and it could cost people money driving over the bridge because the Press have encouraged them to with the article

That to me would make the Press the fools.
It cannot be an April Fool. If you follow the link to the PDF of his adjudication it has his name at the bottom so if the Press invented this and put his name to it they would be in the queue at the Jobcentre behind senior council figures.
Come to think of it I wonder if the council could get a "Crisis Loan"?
Yes I know now Pinza but the link was not there when there were doubts about whether it was real or an prank
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sniper 9964[/bold] wrote: April Fools ????[/p][/quote]Well if it is as I said earlier the Press could find a lot of people totally peed off by them publishing and it could cost people money driving over the bridge because the Press have encouraged them to with the article That to me would make the Press the fools.[/p][/quote]It cannot be an April Fool. If you follow the link to the PDF of his adjudication it has his name at the bottom so if the Press invented this and put his name to it they would be in the queue at the Jobcentre behind senior council figures. Come to think of it I wonder if the council could get a "Crisis Loan"?[/p][/quote]Yes I know now Pinza but the link was not there when there were doubts about whether it was real or an prank Dr Brian
  • Score: -1023

1:56pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Dr Brian wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Dr Brian wrote:
sniper 9964 wrote:
April Fools ????
Well if it is as I said earlier the Press could find a lot of people totally peed off by them publishing and it could cost people money driving over the bridge because the Press have encouraged them to with the article

That to me would make the Press the fools.
It cannot be an April Fool. If you follow the link to the PDF of his adjudication it has his name at the bottom so if the Press invented this and put his name to it they would be in the queue at the Jobcentre behind senior council figures.
Come to think of it I wonder if the council could get a "Crisis Loan"?
Yes I know now Pinza but the link was not there when there were doubts about whether it was real or an prank
True.
I live very close to the West Offices and I haven't seen anybody jumping out of the 3rd floor windows yet so they must be taking it pretty well.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sniper 9964[/bold] wrote: April Fools ????[/p][/quote]Well if it is as I said earlier the Press could find a lot of people totally peed off by them publishing and it could cost people money driving over the bridge because the Press have encouraged them to with the article That to me would make the Press the fools.[/p][/quote]It cannot be an April Fool. If you follow the link to the PDF of his adjudication it has his name at the bottom so if the Press invented this and put his name to it they would be in the queue at the Jobcentre behind senior council figures. Come to think of it I wonder if the council could get a "Crisis Loan"?[/p][/quote]Yes I know now Pinza but the link was not there when there were doubts about whether it was real or an prank[/p][/quote]True. I live very close to the West Offices and I haven't seen anybody jumping out of the 3rd floor windows yet so they must be taking it pretty well. Pinza-C55
  • Score: -1144

1:58pm Tue 1 Apr 14

yorkshirelad says...

Those celebrating will ultimately be the fools. So, a democratically elected council may not be able to enforce a bridge ban due to a technicality. This doesn't take away from the economic, environmental and health costs we will all pay if we don't get on top of traffic in small cities in the UK.

In the end the people celebrating will be sitting in gridlock and they will be the fools once again. With the sheer extent of car dependancy now, no traffic restriction is ever going to be popular in the short term...but all politicians (and yes, the Lib Dems too) know that these restrictions will be necessary at some point in the future.

If it's true its a Pyrrhic victory...and if there are reversal costs it's worth remembering two things. 1) these were fines levied after ignoring restriction signs 2) it's you, me and the rest of us who will pay costs of this technical ruling...via Council Tax.
Those celebrating will ultimately be the fools. So, a democratically elected council may not be able to enforce a bridge ban due to a technicality. This doesn't take away from the economic, environmental and health costs we will all pay if we don't get on top of traffic in small cities in the UK. In the end the people celebrating will be sitting in gridlock and they will be the fools once again. With the sheer extent of car dependancy now, no traffic restriction is ever going to be popular in the short term...but all politicians (and yes, the Lib Dems too) know that these restrictions will be necessary at some point in the future. If it's true its a Pyrrhic victory...and if there are reversal costs it's worth remembering two things. 1) these were fines levied after ignoring restriction signs 2) it's you, me and the rest of us who will pay costs of this technical ruling...via Council Tax. yorkshirelad
  • Score: -1034

2:04pm Tue 1 Apr 14

TheManor says...

The Council has handed it to its legal team to review and restrictions will remain in place, according to the Minster FM news story.
The Council has handed it to its legal team to review and restrictions will remain in place, according to the Minster FM news story. TheManor
  • Score: -948

2:08pm Tue 1 Apr 14

meme says...

so who takes the blame and resigns over something that has caused huge harm to York?
or does D Richardson catch the can despite just following orders?
or does no one accept responsibility as seems to be the case nowadays in CoYC
so who takes the blame and resigns over something that has caused huge harm to York? or does D Richardson catch the can despite just following orders? or does no one accept responsibility as seems to be the case nowadays in CoYC meme
  • Score: -950

2:11pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

buzzy_bee wrote:
Firstly this means that all those who were fined (illegally) should get their money back. Secondly, this means that this will actually cost York taxpayers because this scheme will now be at a loss given that no revenue will be made in fines, the cost of signage and the manpower involved in setting up this scheme, issuing fines and now having to issue refunds. James Alexander should stand down immediately.
Merrett and Darren Richardson should also be sacked..... oh, wait a minute, Darren Richardson announced a couple of weeks ago that he is leaving ?!!

Well, well, it looks like Richardson saw the writing on the wall, and knew that he had allowed this sham trial to proceed with illegitimate fines.

York Council are an utter disgrace. It's time that we had a clear out of all the officers and councillors who have brought York to its knees !

Let the cull commence !
[quote][p][bold]buzzy_bee[/bold] wrote: Firstly this means that all those who were fined (illegally) should get their money back. Secondly, this means that this will actually cost York taxpayers because this scheme will now be at a loss given that no revenue will be made in fines, the cost of signage and the manpower involved in setting up this scheme, issuing fines and now having to issue refunds. James Alexander should stand down immediately.[/p][/quote]Merrett and Darren Richardson should also be sacked..... oh, wait a minute, Darren Richardson announced a couple of weeks ago that he is leaving ?!! Well, well, it looks like Richardson saw the writing on the wall, and knew that he had allowed this sham trial to proceed with illegitimate fines. York Council are an utter disgrace. It's time that we had a clear out of all the officers and councillors who have brought York to its knees ! Let the cull commence ! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -1036

2:16pm Tue 1 Apr 14

buzzy_bee says...

I have no doubts that the Council will waste more taxpayers money by taking legal action in an attempt to challenge this ruling.

In its inception, the Lendal bridge restrictions were a fiasco. Surely to know the rules regarding traffic restrictions and fines is a fundamental issue when planning such restrictions?
I have no doubts that the Council will waste more taxpayers money by taking legal action in an attempt to challenge this ruling. In its inception, the Lendal bridge restrictions were a fiasco. Surely to know the rules regarding traffic restrictions and fines is a fundamental issue when planning such restrictions? buzzy_bee
  • Score: -951

2:23pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Pinza-C55 says...

buzzy_bee wrote:
I have no doubts that the Council will waste more taxpayers money by taking legal action in an attempt to challenge this ruling.

In its inception, the Lendal bridge restrictions were a fiasco. Surely to know the rules regarding traffic restrictions and fines is a fundamental issue when planning such restrictions?
This is essentially a rerun of the Grays Court Hotel fiasco where the council said that it (the hotel) only had a license to operate as a B&B but the adjudicator said there was no difference between the two in terms of building use. How could the councils officers not know this?
[quote][p][bold]buzzy_bee[/bold] wrote: I have no doubts that the Council will waste more taxpayers money by taking legal action in an attempt to challenge this ruling. In its inception, the Lendal bridge restrictions were a fiasco. Surely to know the rules regarding traffic restrictions and fines is a fundamental issue when planning such restrictions?[/p][/quote]This is essentially a rerun of the Grays Court Hotel fiasco where the council said that it (the hotel) only had a license to operate as a B&B but the adjudicator said there was no difference between the two in terms of building use. How could the councils officers not know this? Pinza-C55
  • Score: -944

2:24pm Tue 1 Apr 14

hokey cokey says...

The appeal was based on a transgression on Coppergate. A street that has been restricted for many years before the current Labour administration took power. A restriction that was regularly flouted by motorists who knew they would get away with it apart from when the police held very occasional checks. The use of camera's has been a very good deterrent and it has irked alot of people because they cannot "get away with it". It is interesting that the appellant was a local and decided because he was carrying someone else his car became a taxi! Hmm next time I drive my mother in law to the station does that make my car a taxi, or the kids to an activity on the far side of town?
I think the councillors have been let down by some very poor advice firstly by the DVLA who said that they could not send motorists "yellow cards" but also there legal advice team on road sign terminology. This is a good idea that has been executed badly!
The appeal was based on a transgression on Coppergate. A street that has been restricted for many years before the current Labour administration took power. A restriction that was regularly flouted by motorists who knew they would get away with it apart from when the police held very occasional checks. The use of camera's has been a very good deterrent and it has irked alot of people because they cannot "get away with it". It is interesting that the appellant was a local and decided because he was carrying someone else his car became a taxi! Hmm next time I drive my mother in law to the station does that make my car a taxi, or the kids to an activity on the far side of town? I think the councillors have been let down by some very poor advice firstly by the DVLA who said that they could not send motorists "yellow cards" but also there legal advice team on road sign terminology. This is a good idea that has been executed badly! hokey cokey
  • Score: -989

2:24pm Tue 1 Apr 14

yorkonafork says...

So everyone can drive over it now then. There's no reason not to.

*revs engine up*
So everyone can drive over it now then. There's no reason not to. *revs engine up* yorkonafork
  • Score: -961

2:25pm Tue 1 Apr 14

northern belle says...

powerwatt wrote:
Well this is going to be costing the council a lot! Who doesn't check this before starting a trial?! Nice of York Press to credit Minster FM.
sadly it is going to be costing US a lot...the council tax payers who have to fund all this including, now, the independent legal advice...
[quote][p][bold]powerwatt[/bold] wrote: Well this is going to be costing the council a lot! Who doesn't check this before starting a trial?! Nice of York Press to credit Minster FM.[/p][/quote]sadly it is going to be costing US a lot...the council tax payers who have to fund all this including, now, the independent legal advice... northern belle
  • Score: -1027

2:25pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Bailed Out says...

Who will be first to jump ship ?
Who will be first to jump ship ? Bailed Out
  • Score: -877

2:27pm Tue 1 Apr 14

MouseHouse says...

oops.

Basics wrong = tremendous foul up.
oops. Basics wrong = tremendous foul up. MouseHouse
  • Score: -931

2:28pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

A council spokeswoman said: "City of York Council is seeking independent legal advice in relation to the adjudicator's decision on this specific appeal.


Why can't this council just accept a judge's findings ?

They did the same thing with the Grain Store planning appeal, taking independant advice, then making a further appeal and losing - costing us (not them) thousands in costs.

They never admit or accept they are wrong. They are arrogant, ignorant and inept. It's time to get rid of the useless overpaid idiots, starting at the top !
[quote] A council spokeswoman said: "City of York Council is seeking independent legal advice in relation to the adjudicator's decision on this specific appeal. [/quote] Why can't this council just accept a judge's findings ? They did the same thing with the Grain Store planning appeal, taking independant advice, then making a further appeal and losing - costing us (not them) thousands in costs. They never admit or accept they are wrong. They are arrogant, ignorant and inept. It's time to get rid of the useless overpaid idiots, starting at the top ! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -706

2:28pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Thord Gellir says...

Some officers are going to have to carry the can for this and will presumably be dismissed for getting it so badly wrong..

But the councillors who insisted on the fines continuing in spite of knowing problems should also surely stand down.
Ultimately this is going to cost the Council and thus the Council tax payers hundreds of thousands of pounds.
Tracey: your time is up. Do the decent thing!

Thord Gellir
The Thunderer
Some officers are going to have to carry the can for this and will presumably be dismissed for getting it so badly wrong.. But the councillors who insisted on the fines continuing in spite of knowing problems should also surely stand down. Ultimately this is going to cost the Council and thus the Council tax payers hundreds of thousands of pounds. Tracey: your time is up. Do the decent thing! Thord Gellir The Thunderer Thord Gellir
  • Score: -802

2:30pm Tue 1 Apr 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Thord Gellir wrote:
Some officers are going to have to carry the can for this and will presumably be dismissed for getting it so badly wrong..

But the councillors who insisted on the fines continuing in spite of knowing problems should also surely stand down.
Ultimately this is going to cost the Council and thus the Council tax payers hundreds of thousands of pounds.
Tracey: your time is up. Do the decent thing!

Thord Gellir
The Thunderer
Totally agree with one exception, £millions not £thousands.
[quote][p][bold]Thord Gellir[/bold] wrote: Some officers are going to have to carry the can for this and will presumably be dismissed for getting it so badly wrong.. But the councillors who insisted on the fines continuing in spite of knowing problems should also surely stand down. Ultimately this is going to cost the Council and thus the Council tax payers hundreds of thousands of pounds. Tracey: your time is up. Do the decent thing! Thord Gellir The Thunderer[/p][/quote]Totally agree with one exception, £millions not £thousands. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -684

2:31pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

Bailed Out wrote:
Who will be first to jump ship ?
According to Kersten England's twitter page, she moved house at the weekend - is this a preamble to another 'move' ?
[quote][p][bold]Bailed Out[/bold] wrote: Who will be first to jump ship ?[/p][/quote]According to Kersten England's twitter page, she moved house at the weekend - is this a preamble to another 'move' ? Badgers Drift
  • Score: -662

2:33pm Tue 1 Apr 14

only human says...

hahahahah....i love it when those in power make monumental "errors " like this , it just shows how a little power goes to some peoples heads.
I am totally fed up with being a penalised motorist and being stealth taxed off the road in the name of the environment or tourism.
I was born in York and so was my father before me , we have paid into the council tax system just as anyone else and i really dont see why we should be excuded from accessing our own city centre and then stealth taxed through parking tickets for daring to pay any heed to these ridiculous motoring taxes.
We should get a social networking gathering of motorists together to go to and fro over the lendal bridge circuit just to show our irritation at the whole fiasco.
hahahahah....i love it when those in power make monumental "errors " like this , it just shows how a little power goes to some peoples heads. I am totally fed up with being a penalised motorist and being stealth taxed off the road in the name of the environment or tourism. I was born in York and so was my father before me , we have paid into the council tax system just as anyone else and i really dont see why we should be excuded from accessing our own city centre and then stealth taxed through parking tickets for daring to pay any heed to these ridiculous motoring taxes. We should get a social networking gathering of motorists together to go to and fro over the lendal bridge circuit just to show our irritation at the whole fiasco. only human
  • Score: -726

2:35pm Tue 1 Apr 14

york_chap says...

If the adjudicator is correct, then my understanding of his report is that the council has been relying on legislation that was never implemented and therefore had no power to issue PCNs for contravening the bridge restriction. They're entitled to keep the restriction (as their signage is now just about acceptable) but it can only be enforced by police officers on the street - not cameras.

Obviously the police have far better things to do than fine motorists for using the Inner ring road to go about their daily business, so it would rarely, if ever, be enforced; ergo totally pointless. (The signs might still deter some tourists though I suppose). I just hope the adjudicator is correct, so that we can all use the bridge again, thereby reducing the congestion and pollution which the closure has created in residential areas such as Clifton and Leeman Road.

As for those such as PP and Yorkshirelad who insist that if we're allowed to drive cars over Lendal Bridge, gridlock will ensue; traffic volumes in York are not increasing and have actually declined in recent years, (yes, even back when Lendal Bridge was open). Just because roads are open and people can choose to drive, doesn't mean they all will.
If the adjudicator is correct, then my understanding of his report is that the council has been relying on legislation that was never implemented and therefore had no power to issue PCNs for contravening the bridge restriction. They're entitled to keep the restriction (as their signage is now just about acceptable) but it can only be enforced by police officers on the street - not cameras. Obviously the police have far better things to do than fine motorists for using the Inner ring road to go about their daily business, so it would rarely, if ever, be enforced; ergo totally pointless. (The signs might still deter some tourists though I suppose). I just hope the adjudicator is correct, so that we can all use the bridge again, thereby reducing the congestion and pollution which the closure has created in residential areas such as Clifton and Leeman Road. As for those such as PP and Yorkshirelad who insist that if we're allowed to drive cars over Lendal Bridge, gridlock will ensue; traffic volumes in York are not increasing and have actually declined in recent years, (yes, even back when Lendal Bridge was open). Just because roads are open and people can choose to drive, doesn't mean they all will. york_chap
  • Score: -669

2:40pm Tue 1 Apr 14

meme says...

I got a fine on Coppergate at 6.30 some months ago so am going to ask for money back
I keep saying this but I find it sad and disheartening that CoYC seem unable to get things right. I want our leaders to be trustworthy and honest and competent but it appears they are not.They must have had legal advice; they must have followed it but someone drove this through ,probably the usual cabal and we, the ratepayers, will catch the can financially for it and none gets punished at Council as no one will be brought to book.
If TSL/DM and JA had any decency they would at least offer to resign as this is an almighty **** up that could cost York hundreds of thousands of pounds and we all know this is a pet project for them
I am not actually dead against the closure just the way it has been done
I got a fine on Coppergate at 6.30 some months ago so am going to ask for money back I keep saying this but I find it sad and disheartening that CoYC seem unable to get things right. I want our leaders to be trustworthy and honest and competent but it appears they are not.They must have had legal advice; they must have followed it but someone drove this through ,probably the usual cabal and we, the ratepayers, will catch the can financially for it and none gets punished at Council as no one will be brought to book. If TSL/DM and JA had any decency they would at least offer to resign as this is an almighty **** up that could cost York hundreds of thousands of pounds and we all know this is a pet project for them I am not actually dead against the closure just the way it has been done meme
  • Score: -669

2:43pm Tue 1 Apr 14

yorkandproud says...

I presume York MP Hugh Bayley is really impressed with the performance of the Labour controlled COYC. His voters will be wondering whether to vote Labour at general election.
I presume York MP Hugh Bayley is really impressed with the performance of the Labour controlled COYC. His voters will be wondering whether to vote Labour at general election. yorkandproud
  • Score: -855

2:44pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

So far there are 67 comments, with only five having -ve scores.

The first fifteen scores are as follows:-

All +
39, 25, 58, 37, 55, 40, 47, 28, 25, 28, 39, 46, 30, 29, & 26

This reflects the true sentiment of readers, but, after 5.30pm the pathetic imbecile who hacks the scores will no doubt skew the results.
So far there are 67 comments, with only five having -ve scores. The first fifteen scores are as follows:- All + 39, 25, 58, 37, 55, 40, 47, 28, 25, 28, 39, 46, 30, 29, & 26 This reflects the true sentiment of readers, but, after 5.30pm the pathetic imbecile who hacks the scores will no doubt skew the results. Badgers Drift
  • Score: -801

2:45pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Richard Catton says...

yorkshirelad wrote:
Those celebrating will ultimately be the fools. So, a democratically elected council may not be able to enforce a bridge ban due to a technicality. This doesn't take away from the economic, environmental and health costs we will all pay if we don't get on top of traffic in small cities in the UK. In the end the people celebrating will be sitting in gridlock and they will be the fools once again. With the sheer extent of car dependancy now, no traffic restriction is ever going to be popular in the short term...but all politicians (and yes, the Lib Dems too) know that these restrictions will be necessary at some point in the future. If it's true its a Pyrrhic victory...and if there are reversal costs it's worth remembering two things. 1) these were fines levied after ignoring restriction signs 2) it's you, me and the rest of us who will pay costs of this technical ruling...via Council Tax.
If, in the coming days and weeks, it sees the resignation of those responsible, it will have been worth every penny.

Or if it makes another unfortunate town or city in England think twice about voting Alexander in as an MP, it will have been worth the chaos.

Now if you will excuse me, It's a beautiful spring day and I'm going for a drive through my city with the windows down and the music up full blast
[quote][p][bold]yorkshirelad[/bold] wrote: Those celebrating will ultimately be the fools. So, a democratically elected council may not be able to enforce a bridge ban due to a technicality. This doesn't take away from the economic, environmental and health costs we will all pay if we don't get on top of traffic in small cities in the UK. In the end the people celebrating will be sitting in gridlock and they will be the fools once again. With the sheer extent of car dependancy now, no traffic restriction is ever going to be popular in the short term...but all politicians (and yes, the Lib Dems too) know that these restrictions will be necessary at some point in the future. If it's true its a Pyrrhic victory...and if there are reversal costs it's worth remembering two things. 1) these were fines levied after ignoring restriction signs 2) it's you, me and the rest of us who will pay costs of this technical ruling...via Council Tax.[/p][/quote]If, in the coming days and weeks, it sees the resignation of those responsible, it will have been worth every penny. Or if it makes another unfortunate town or city in England think twice about voting Alexander in as an MP, it will have been worth the chaos. Now if you will excuse me, It's a beautiful spring day and I'm going for a drive through my city with the windows down and the music up full blast Richard Catton
  • Score: -639

2:45pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Madasanibbotson says...

Merrett,

If you have a sliver of honour you will resign today.
Merrett, If you have a sliver of honour you will resign today. Madasanibbotson
  • Score: -544

2:48pm Tue 1 Apr 14

piaggio1 says...

First time some loony mentioned GRIDLOCK.

And it was.nt PP.
Every one of em should be named n shamed.....but hey.WE know who you are.
Incompetent the lot of em.
And if I.d have got a fine .I.d want interest on the cash I.d given this bunch o clowns.
First time some loony mentioned GRIDLOCK. And it was.nt PP. Every one of em should be named n shamed.....but hey.WE know who you are. Incompetent the lot of em. And if I.d have got a fine .I.d want interest on the cash I.d given this bunch o clowns. piaggio1
  • Score: -474

2:48pm Tue 1 Apr 14

the original Homer says...

I've read the full report (and it definitely ISN'T an April Fool - it is genuine)

In a nutshell, the restrictions are lawful, and the trial is legal to continue, if that's what the Council choose to do.

The adjudicator also said most of the comments about bad signing were justified, but that the most recent changes were just good enough to be legal from Jan 2014.

However, the big story is that it is illegal for the Council to issue fines based on camera evidence, as these are "general traffic restrictions" and not "bus lanes".

The Council can insist on continuing the trial, as it is perfectly legal as a trial, provided they don't issue fines. They are quite welcome to compile a count if they want to.

The only way they can legally issue fines, is if they put someone on the spot to witness offences and issue tickets immediately.

They will ultimately have to refund any fines paid, and write to cancel any pending. so continuing to issue fines beyond today would just be incurring more costs for no reason. This has turned into a big financial loss, which will ultimately be paid by the taxpayer.

No doubt the "trail" will continue, since the Council never really planned anything else, despite their date for the trail end having already passed.

However, there is no reason for them to print and post any more illegal tickets and I think 24 hours should be enough time for them to do that. Continuing to issue tickets after tomorrow would bee criminal in my view. They talk about independent legal advice, but the adjudicator himself is independent, so they already have that advice.

However, I won't be surprised if this Council is arrogant enough to think they know best, which will result in them running up an even bigger bill for undoing the fiasco.

Surely the prudent action must be to suspend issuing fines immediately, even if they still think they are right.
I've read the full report (and it definitely ISN'T an April Fool - it is genuine) In a nutshell, the restrictions are lawful, and the trial is legal to continue, if that's what the Council choose to do. The adjudicator also said most of the comments about bad signing were justified, but that the most recent changes were just good enough to be legal from Jan 2014. However, the big story is that it is illegal for the Council to issue fines based on camera evidence, as these are "general traffic restrictions" and not "bus lanes". The Council can insist on continuing the trial, as it is perfectly legal as a trial, provided they don't issue fines. They are quite welcome to compile a count if they want to. The only way they can legally issue fines, is if they put someone on the spot to witness offences and issue tickets immediately. They will ultimately have to refund any fines paid, and write to cancel any pending. so continuing to issue fines beyond today would just be incurring more costs for no reason. This has turned into a big financial loss, which will ultimately be paid by the taxpayer. No doubt the "trail" will continue, since the Council never really planned anything else, despite their date for the trail end having already passed. However, there is no reason for them to print and post any more illegal tickets and I think 24 hours should be enough time for them to do that. Continuing to issue tickets after tomorrow would bee criminal in my view. They talk about independent legal advice, but the adjudicator himself is independent, so they already have that advice. However, I won't be surprised if this Council is arrogant enough to think they know best, which will result in them running up an even bigger bill for undoing the fiasco. Surely the prudent action must be to suspend issuing fines immediately, even if they still think they are right. the original Homer
  • Score: -565

2:51pm Tue 1 Apr 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
So far there are 67 comments, with only five having -ve scores.

The first fifteen scores are as follows:-

All +
39, 25, 58, 37, 55, 40, 47, 28, 25, 28, 39, 46, 30, 29, & 26

This reflects the true sentiment of readers, but, after 5.30pm the pathetic imbecile who hacks the scores will no doubt skew the results.
Noooo surely the council have their crack team with their cookie cleaner ready to jump into action and save the day!
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: So far there are 67 comments, with only five having -ve scores. The first fifteen scores are as follows:- All + 39, 25, 58, 37, 55, 40, 47, 28, 25, 28, 39, 46, 30, 29, & 26 This reflects the true sentiment of readers, but, after 5.30pm the pathetic imbecile who hacks the scores will no doubt skew the results.[/p][/quote]Noooo surely the council have their crack team with their cookie cleaner ready to jump into action and save the day! AGuyFromStrensall
  • Score: -380

2:54pm Tue 1 Apr 14

jay, york says...

Bailed Out wrote:
Who will be first to jump ship ?
Well doesnt this article and report from the traffic judges make interesting reading.
I am very pleaased that the Press has published the report, so we can actually see how many failings there have been by CYC. They have done nothing but mis-handle and lie about this whole fiasco.. And now we als learn they have been acting illegally in actually fining people.- taking money they are not entitled to under false pretences......Isn't that a bit naughty CYC?
But the most amazing thing is that CYC seem intent to conitnue with the illegality - it's no wonder that they are talking to their lawyers.
[quote][p][bold]Bailed Out[/bold] wrote: Who will be first to jump ship ?[/p][/quote]Well doesnt this article and report from the traffic judges make interesting reading. I am very pleaased that the Press has published the report, so we can actually see how many failings there have been by CYC. They have done nothing but mis-handle and lie about this whole fiasco.. And now we als learn they have been acting illegally in actually fining people.- taking money they are not entitled to under false pretences......Isn't that a bit naughty CYC? But the most amazing thing is that CYC seem intent to conitnue with the illegality - it's no wonder that they are talking to their lawyers. jay, york
  • Score: -476

2:58pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: So far there are 67 comments, with only five having -ve scores. The first fifteen scores are as follows:- All + 39, 25, 58, 37, 55, 40, 47, 28, 25, 28, 39, 46, 30, 29, & 26 This reflects the true sentiment of readers, but, after 5.30pm the pathetic imbecile who hacks the scores will no doubt skew the results.
Noooo surely the council have their crack team with their cookie cleaner ready to jump into action and save the day!
No doubt the shill does it from their own home, so no potential 'whistleblower' can catch them at it.
[quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: So far there are 67 comments, with only five having -ve scores. The first fifteen scores are as follows:- All + 39, 25, 58, 37, 55, 40, 47, 28, 25, 28, 39, 46, 30, 29, & 26 This reflects the true sentiment of readers, but, after 5.30pm the pathetic imbecile who hacks the scores will no doubt skew the results.[/p][/quote]Noooo surely the council have their crack team with their cookie cleaner ready to jump into action and save the day![/p][/quote]No doubt the shill does it from their own home, so no potential 'whistleblower' can catch them at it. Badgers Drift
  • Score: -333

3:03pm Tue 1 Apr 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: So far there are 67 comments, with only five having -ve scores. The first fifteen scores are as follows:- All + 39, 25, 58, 37, 55, 40, 47, 28, 25, 28, 39, 46, 30, 29, & 26 This reflects the true sentiment of readers, but, after 5.30pm the pathetic imbecile who hacks the scores will no doubt skew the results.
Noooo surely the council have their crack team with their cookie cleaner ready to jump into action and save the day!
No doubt the shill does it from their own home, so no potential 'whistleblower' can catch them at it.
Or alternatively it's some 13 year old who thinks it's pretty hilarious to see everyone on here get stressed at the "destruction of democracy". But no, of course your conspiracy scenario is *far* more likely...
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: So far there are 67 comments, with only five having -ve scores. The first fifteen scores are as follows:- All + 39, 25, 58, 37, 55, 40, 47, 28, 25, 28, 39, 46, 30, 29, & 26 This reflects the true sentiment of readers, but, after 5.30pm the pathetic imbecile who hacks the scores will no doubt skew the results.[/p][/quote]Noooo surely the council have their crack team with their cookie cleaner ready to jump into action and save the day![/p][/quote]No doubt the shill does it from their own home, so no potential 'whistleblower' can catch them at it.[/p][/quote]Or alternatively it's some 13 year old who thinks it's pretty hilarious to see everyone on here get stressed at the "destruction of democracy". But no, of course your conspiracy scenario is *far* more likely... AGuyFromStrensall
  • Score: -396

3:19pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: So far there are 67 comments, with only five having -ve scores. The first fifteen scores are as follows:- All + 39, 25, 58, 37, 55, 40, 47, 28, 25, 28, 39, 46, 30, 29, & 26 This reflects the true sentiment of readers, but, after 5.30pm the pathetic imbecile who hacks the scores will no doubt skew the results.
Noooo surely the council have their crack team with their cookie cleaner ready to jump into action and save the day!
No doubt the shill does it from their own home, so no potential 'whistleblower' can catch them at it.
Or alternatively it's some 13 year old who thinks it's pretty hilarious to see everyone on here get stressed at the "destruction of democracy". But no, of course your conspiracy scenario is *far* more likely...
It ain't no 13-year old - they have far better things to do with their time. Plus, they wouldn't target just council related stuff.
[quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: So far there are 67 comments, with only five having -ve scores. The first fifteen scores are as follows:- All + 39, 25, 58, 37, 55, 40, 47, 28, 25, 28, 39, 46, 30, 29, & 26 This reflects the true sentiment of readers, but, after 5.30pm the pathetic imbecile who hacks the scores will no doubt skew the results.[/p][/quote]Noooo surely the council have their crack team with their cookie cleaner ready to jump into action and save the day![/p][/quote]No doubt the shill does it from their own home, so no potential 'whistleblower' can catch them at it.[/p][/quote]Or alternatively it's some 13 year old who thinks it's pretty hilarious to see everyone on here get stressed at the "destruction of democracy". But no, of course your conspiracy scenario is *far* more likely...[/p][/quote]It ain't no 13-year old - they have far better things to do with their time. Plus, they wouldn't target just council related stuff. Badgers Drift
  • Score: -368

3:19pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Mr Udigawa says...

piaggio1 wrote:
First time some loony mentioned GRIDLOCK. And it was.nt PP. Every one of em should be named n shamed.....but hey.WE know who you are. Incompetent the lot of em. And if I.d have got a fine .I.d want interest on the cash I.d given this bunch o clowns.
It was PP, he's using one of his other usernames.
[quote][p][bold]piaggio1[/bold] wrote: First time some loony mentioned GRIDLOCK. And it was.nt PP. Every one of em should be named n shamed.....but hey.WE know who you are. Incompetent the lot of em. And if I.d have got a fine .I.d want interest on the cash I.d given this bunch o clowns.[/p][/quote]It was PP, he's using one of his other usernames. Mr Udigawa
  • Score: -574

3:21pm Tue 1 Apr 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

And what is more worrying is that the very same people responsible for this utter fiasco will be responsible for key decisions on transport and local economy with the new West Yorkshire super council.

Doesn't look good at all, but this level of incompetence is clear indication of their un-suitability for office.
And what is more worrying is that the very same people responsible for this utter fiasco will be responsible for key decisions on transport and local economy with the new West Yorkshire super council. Doesn't look good at all, but this level of incompetence is clear indication of their un-suitability for office. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -892

3:24pm Tue 1 Apr 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: So far there are 67 comments, with only five having -ve scores. The first fifteen scores are as follows:- All + 39, 25, 58, 37, 55, 40, 47, 28, 25, 28, 39, 46, 30, 29, & 26 This reflects the true sentiment of readers, but, after 5.30pm the pathetic imbecile who hacks the scores will no doubt skew the results.
Noooo surely the council have their crack team with their cookie cleaner ready to jump into action and save the day!
No doubt the shill does it from their own home, so no potential 'whistleblower' can catch them at it.
Or alternatively it's some 13 year old who thinks it's pretty hilarious to see everyone on here get stressed at the "destruction of democracy". But no, of course your conspiracy scenario is *far* more likely...
It ain't no 13-year old - they have far better things to do with their time. Plus, they wouldn't target just council related stuff.
You couldn't make the paranoia up haha

Well know one thing. There is someone at home wetting themselves at your bluster on this. Until people stop biting it won't stop. But fair play to them, if they can get you riled up then their work is successful.
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: So far there are 67 comments, with only five having -ve scores. The first fifteen scores are as follows:- All + 39, 25, 58, 37, 55, 40, 47, 28, 25, 28, 39, 46, 30, 29, & 26 This reflects the true sentiment of readers, but, after 5.30pm the pathetic imbecile who hacks the scores will no doubt skew the results.[/p][/quote]Noooo surely the council have their crack team with their cookie cleaner ready to jump into action and save the day![/p][/quote]No doubt the shill does it from their own home, so no potential 'whistleblower' can catch them at it.[/p][/quote]Or alternatively it's some 13 year old who thinks it's pretty hilarious to see everyone on here get stressed at the "destruction of democracy". But no, of course your conspiracy scenario is *far* more likely...[/p][/quote]It ain't no 13-year old - they have far better things to do with their time. Plus, they wouldn't target just council related stuff.[/p][/quote]You couldn't make the paranoia up haha Well know one thing. There is someone at home wetting themselves at your bluster on this. Until people stop biting it won't stop. But fair play to them, if they can get you riled up then their work is successful. AGuyFromStrensall
  • Score: -838

3:24pm Tue 1 Apr 14

sonorbloke says...

the original Homer wrote:
I've read the full report (and it definitely ISN'T an April Fool - it is genuine) In a nutshell, the restrictions are lawful, and the trial is legal to continue, if that's what the Council choose to do. The adjudicator also said most of the comments about bad signing were justified, but that the most recent changes were just good enough to be legal from Jan 2014. However, the big story is that it is illegal for the Council to issue fines based on camera evidence, as these are "general traffic restrictions" and not "bus lanes". The Council can insist on continuing the trial, as it is perfectly legal as a trial, provided they don't issue fines. They are quite welcome to compile a count if they want to. The only way they can legally issue fines, is if they put someone on the spot to witness offences and issue tickets immediately. They will ultimately have to refund any fines paid, and write to cancel any pending. so continuing to issue fines beyond today would just be incurring more costs for no reason. This has turned into a big financial loss, which will ultimately be paid by the taxpayer. No doubt the "trail" will continue, since the Council never really planned anything else, despite their date for the trail end having already passed. However, there is no reason for them to print and post any more illegal tickets and I think 24 hours should be enough time for them to do that. Continuing to issue tickets after tomorrow would bee criminal in my view. They talk about independent legal advice, but the adjudicator himself is independent, so they already have that advice. However, I won't be surprised if this Council is arrogant enough to think they know best, which will result in them running up an even bigger bill for undoing the fiasco. Surely the prudent action must be to suspend issuing fines immediately, even if they still think they are right.
There's also the interesting issue raised that the Council did not and still don't have enough staff employed to look at appeals against these notices, meaning that if workload was high whole batches of appeals were allowed as uncontested as staff didn't have time to look at them. In effect this is a lottery.

The council knew that this would end up happening prior to the trial commencing and felt it would act as a deterrent (in their own words in a mind bogglingly stupid statement to the adjudicator).

The adjudicator, unsurprisingly, states that this is 'unacceptable' and that 'the council commenced the bus street scheme in the knowledge that sufficient resources to deal with challenges and appeals would not be available despite the statutory obligation to consider each of the representations fairly and based on the general principles of public law.'

Total incompetence.
[quote][p][bold]the original Homer[/bold] wrote: I've read the full report (and it definitely ISN'T an April Fool - it is genuine) In a nutshell, the restrictions are lawful, and the trial is legal to continue, if that's what the Council choose to do. The adjudicator also said most of the comments about bad signing were justified, but that the most recent changes were just good enough to be legal from Jan 2014. However, the big story is that it is illegal for the Council to issue fines based on camera evidence, as these are "general traffic restrictions" and not "bus lanes". The Council can insist on continuing the trial, as it is perfectly legal as a trial, provided they don't issue fines. They are quite welcome to compile a count if they want to. The only way they can legally issue fines, is if they put someone on the spot to witness offences and issue tickets immediately. They will ultimately have to refund any fines paid, and write to cancel any pending. so continuing to issue fines beyond today would just be incurring more costs for no reason. This has turned into a big financial loss, which will ultimately be paid by the taxpayer. No doubt the "trail" will continue, since the Council never really planned anything else, despite their date for the trail end having already passed. However, there is no reason for them to print and post any more illegal tickets and I think 24 hours should be enough time for them to do that. Continuing to issue tickets after tomorrow would bee criminal in my view. They talk about independent legal advice, but the adjudicator himself is independent, so they already have that advice. However, I won't be surprised if this Council is arrogant enough to think they know best, which will result in them running up an even bigger bill for undoing the fiasco. Surely the prudent action must be to suspend issuing fines immediately, even if they still think they are right.[/p][/quote]There's also the interesting issue raised that the Council did not and still don't have enough staff employed to look at appeals against these notices, meaning that if workload was high whole batches of appeals were allowed as uncontested as staff didn't have time to look at them. In effect this is a lottery. The council knew that this would end up happening prior to the trial commencing and felt it would act as a deterrent (in their own words in a mind bogglingly stupid statement to the adjudicator). The adjudicator, unsurprisingly, states that this is 'unacceptable' and that 'the council commenced the bus street scheme in the knowledge that sufficient resources to deal with challenges and appeals would not be available despite the statutory obligation to consider each of the representations fairly and based on the general principles of public law.' Total incompetence. sonorbloke
  • Score: -873

3:28pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Justin7 says...

So I hear the Tory PR machine have been asking their goons to each sign up 50 accounts to this Press and vote spam and comment spam this site.

Sad, sad Tories.

Ed Milliband is going to take you all out of power and save this country from a climate disaster!
So I hear the Tory PR machine have been asking their goons to each sign up 50 accounts to this Press and vote spam and comment spam this site. Sad, sad Tories. Ed Milliband is going to take you all out of power and save this country from a climate disaster! Justin7
  • Score: -650

3:35pm Tue 1 Apr 14

buzzy_bee says...

Justin7

You cannot argue with incompetence. The adjudicators report exposes the incompetence of the current York Labour council.
Justin7 You cannot argue with incompetence. The adjudicators report exposes the incompetence of the current York Labour council. buzzy_bee
  • Score: -356

3:37pm Tue 1 Apr 14

wildthing666 says...

I'm going to apply for my fine back and be telling everyone that had a fine to do the same.
I'm going to apply for my fine back and be telling everyone that had a fine to do the same. wildthing666
  • Score: -546

3:37pm Tue 1 Apr 14

BioLogic says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
TheManor wrote:
Matt RSJ - my reading of this is that the trial itself is not illegal, it is the way that penalties have been issued (using a camera) that is illegal - so if they put a man with a cap recording registration numbers on the bridge, it might be perfectly possibly to continue to enforce... possibly.
My own reading of it is that if LB and Coppergate were "Bus Lanes" then it would be legal.
However since Royal Mail vans, Emergency Vehicles, Taxis, Tour buses, refuse trucks, bicycles etc etc etc (the list goes on) can use them they are not bus lanes so the council are using legislation in a way which was never intended.
In simple terms you are bang on. The Scheme in itself is legal but cannot legally be enforced through the use of cameras, only through Police Officers on the street. Which will never happen, as it rarely happened on Coppergate.

The Council could legally enforce a bus lane with cameras, but that would have to have a far more limited list of exceptions and be signed differently. Furthermore that would not take away the many issues in relate to visibility of the signage and the lack of 'escape' route for drivers when they reach the restriction.

To simplify the adjudicator has said:

The enforcement of both routes is not legal through the use of Cameras

Coppergate signage is not and (my interpretation) in all likelihood could not ever be legal given the restricted angles on turning in to the street.

Lendal Bridge signage was not legal until January. It could be considered to be legal now but that there is insufficient information on and available and escape routes such that a driver would have reasonable grounds for going through the restriction anyway.

The adjudicator was also very critical of the way in which the scheme has been set up and administered, in language which is very 'strong' for a legal document of this nature. Heads should roll, but as Darren Richardson is already leaving (sinking ship anyone) it will be interesting to see who is left carrying the can for this.

What an almighty mess this Labour Cabinet has made of the idea, it smacks of incompetence and arrogance.
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheManor[/bold] wrote: Matt RSJ - my reading of this is that the trial itself is not illegal, it is the way that penalties have been issued (using a camera) that is illegal - so if they put a man with a cap recording registration numbers on the bridge, it might be perfectly possibly to continue to enforce... possibly.[/p][/quote]My own reading of it is that if LB and Coppergate were "Bus Lanes" then it would be legal. However since Royal Mail vans, Emergency Vehicles, Taxis, Tour buses, refuse trucks, bicycles etc etc etc (the list goes on) can use them they are not bus lanes so the council are using legislation in a way which was never intended.[/p][/quote]In simple terms you are bang on. The Scheme in itself is legal but cannot legally be enforced through the use of cameras, only through Police Officers on the street. Which will never happen, as it rarely happened on Coppergate. The Council could legally enforce a bus lane with cameras, but that would have to have a far more limited list of exceptions and be signed differently. Furthermore that would not take away the many issues in relate to visibility of the signage and the lack of 'escape' route for drivers when they reach the restriction. To simplify the adjudicator has said: The enforcement of both routes is not legal through the use of Cameras Coppergate signage is not and (my interpretation) in all likelihood could not ever be legal given the restricted angles on turning in to the street. Lendal Bridge signage was not legal until January. It could be considered to be legal now but that there is insufficient information on and available and escape routes such that a driver would have reasonable grounds for going through the restriction anyway. The adjudicator was also very critical of the way in which the scheme has been set up and administered, in language which is very 'strong' for a legal document of this nature. Heads should roll, but as Darren Richardson is already leaving (sinking ship anyone) it will be interesting to see who is left carrying the can for this. What an almighty mess this Labour Cabinet has made of the idea, it smacks of incompetence and arrogance. BioLogic
  • Score: -450

3:38pm Tue 1 Apr 14

YorkPatrol says...

Zetkin wrote:
Cat. Pigeons.
Thick. Incompetent.

not you, the council...
[quote][p][bold]Zetkin[/bold] wrote: Cat. Pigeons.[/p][/quote]Thick. Incompetent. not you, the council... YorkPatrol
  • Score: -408

3:38pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Lance Corporal Jones says...

Justin7 wrote:
So I hear the Tory PR machine have been asking their goons to each sign up 50 accounts to this Press and vote spam and comment spam this site.

Sad, sad Tories.

Ed Milliband is going to take you all out of power and save this country from a climate disaster!
And what else did the fairies at the bottom of your garden tell you….?.

Don't panic, Don't panic.
[quote][p][bold]Justin7[/bold] wrote: So I hear the Tory PR machine have been asking their goons to each sign up 50 accounts to this Press and vote spam and comment spam this site. Sad, sad Tories. Ed Milliband is going to take you all out of power and save this country from a climate disaster![/p][/quote]And what else did the fairies at the bottom of your garden tell you….?. Don't panic, Don't panic. Lance Corporal Jones
  • Score: -724

3:41pm Tue 1 Apr 14

cynic3 says...

wildthing666 wrote:
I'm going to apply for my fine back and be telling everyone that had a fine to do the same.
Should also ask for £10 for costs to be added IMHO
[quote][p][bold]wildthing666[/bold] wrote: I'm going to apply for my fine back and be telling everyone that had a fine to do the same.[/p][/quote]Should also ask for £10 for costs to be added IMHO cynic3
  • Score: -396

3:43pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Warren Z says...

Add the cost of this debacle to half a million spent on the Kings Sq paving stones(something very odd about the cost of that contract),enough there to justify a few resignations.
Add the cost of this debacle to half a million spent on the Kings Sq paving stones(something very odd about the cost of that contract),enough there to justify a few resignations. Warren Z
  • Score: -499

3:43pm Tue 1 Apr 14

pedalling paul says...

Councillors and the Officers who advise them have been let down by some very poor DVLA advice re the use of a "yellow card!" first warning." The road signage will doubtless be found to be fully DfT compliant. For now we must await the outcome of any legal appeal by CoYC against the view of one official.
That must be coupled with the forthcoming independent Report on the trial scheme, by the Leeds University-based Institute of Transport Studies. Provided that this becomes public domain at the same time as it is is delivered to CoYC, we can all presumably accept its findings, whatever those might be.
Councillors and the Officers who advise them have been let down by some very poor DVLA advice re the use of a "yellow card!" first warning." The road signage will doubtless be found to be fully DfT compliant. For now we must await the outcome of any legal appeal by CoYC against the view of one official. That must be coupled with the forthcoming independent Report on the trial scheme, by the Leeds University-based Institute of Transport Studies. Provided that this becomes public domain at the same time as it is is delivered to CoYC, we can all presumably accept its findings, whatever those might be. pedalling paul
  • Score: -9058

3:44pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Zebedee says...

Justin7 wrote:
So I hear the Tory PR machine have been asking their goons to each sign up 50 accounts to this Press and vote spam and comment spam this site. Sad, sad Tories. Ed Milliband is going to take you all out of power and save this country from a climate disaster!
Buffoon!!
[quote][p][bold]Justin7[/bold] wrote: So I hear the Tory PR machine have been asking their goons to each sign up 50 accounts to this Press and vote spam and comment spam this site. Sad, sad Tories. Ed Milliband is going to take you all out of power and save this country from a climate disaster![/p][/quote]Buffoon!! Zebedee
  • Score: -610

3:46pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Bumbleina says...

1 April, couldn't have asked for a better date for this to come out.
1 April, couldn't have asked for a better date for this to come out. Bumbleina
  • Score: -408

3:47pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Dan Atkinson says...

The people believe that the council is wrong and now the government has ruled that they're wrong. They need to stop wasting our money trying to fight something that we don't want.

It's time to wake up, face facts and accept that this whole stupid scheme has blown up in their face and stop this ridiculous trial once and for all.
The people believe that the council is wrong and now the government has ruled that they're wrong. They need to stop wasting our money trying to fight something that we don't want. It's time to wake up, face facts and accept that this whole stupid scheme has blown up in their face and stop this ridiculous trial once and for all. Dan Atkinson
  • Score: -352

3:47pm Tue 1 Apr 14

jay, york says...

Just heard this is going to be discussed on radio York sometime after 4 today - could be ineresting.
Just heard this is going to be discussed on radio York sometime after 4 today - could be ineresting. jay, york
  • Score: -341

3:49pm Tue 1 Apr 14

meme says...

So Pedalling Paul the truth is out now....we are aware you advise on Cycling matters to council
Regardless of whatever is said the council want this closed.That seems clear. They are going to waste more of mine potentially appealing this verdict as lets face it anyone can do anything with anyone else's money!
They will never admit they were wrong in the implementation and are going to do all they can to drive it through as to back down now loses so much money as to be virtually criminal and we cannot have that can we?
I find it mindboggling that they just don't go back to drawing board accept they were wrong cease the trial and lick their wounds AND RESIGN
So Pedalling Paul the truth is out now....we are aware you advise on Cycling matters to council Regardless of whatever is said the council want this closed.That seems clear. They are going to waste more of mine [and your money] potentially appealing this verdict as lets face it anyone can do anything with anyone else's money! They will never admit they were wrong in the implementation and are going to do all they can to drive it through as to back down now loses so much money as to be virtually criminal and we cannot have that can we? I find it mindboggling that they just don't go back to drawing board accept they were wrong cease the trial and lick their wounds AND RESIGN meme
  • Score: -283

3:50pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: So far there are 67 comments, with only five having -ve scores. The first fifteen scores are as follows:- All + 39, 25, 58, 37, 55, 40, 47, 28, 25, 28, 39, 46, 30, 29, & 26 This reflects the true sentiment of readers, but, after 5.30pm the pathetic imbecile who hacks the scores will no doubt skew the results.
Noooo surely the council have their crack team with their cookie cleaner ready to jump into action and save the day!
No doubt the shill does it from their own home, so no potential 'whistleblower' can catch them at it.
Or alternatively it's some 13 year old who thinks it's pretty hilarious to see everyone on here get stressed at the "destruction of democracy". But no, of course your conspiracy scenario is *far* more likely...
It ain't no 13-year old - they have far better things to do with their time. Plus, they wouldn't target just council related stuff.
You couldn't make the paranoia up haha Well know one thing. There is someone at home wetting themselves at your bluster on this. Until people stop biting it won't stop. But fair play to them, if they can get you riled up then their work is successful.
The only person who is getting wet is you...... you drip !
[quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: So far there are 67 comments, with only five having -ve scores. The first fifteen scores are as follows:- All + 39, 25, 58, 37, 55, 40, 47, 28, 25, 28, 39, 46, 30, 29, & 26 This reflects the true sentiment of readers, but, after 5.30pm the pathetic imbecile who hacks the scores will no doubt skew the results.[/p][/quote]Noooo surely the council have their crack team with their cookie cleaner ready to jump into action and save the day![/p][/quote]No doubt the shill does it from their own home, so no potential 'whistleblower' can catch them at it.[/p][/quote]Or alternatively it's some 13 year old who thinks it's pretty hilarious to see everyone on here get stressed at the "destruction of democracy". But no, of course your conspiracy scenario is *far* more likely...[/p][/quote]It ain't no 13-year old - they have far better things to do with their time. Plus, they wouldn't target just council related stuff.[/p][/quote]You couldn't make the paranoia up haha Well know one thing. There is someone at home wetting themselves at your bluster on this. Until people stop biting it won't stop. But fair play to them, if they can get you riled up then their work is successful.[/p][/quote]The only person who is getting wet is you...... you drip ! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -538

3:52pm Tue 1 Apr 14

The Great Buda says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: So far there are 67 comments, with only five having -ve scores. The first fifteen scores are as follows:- All + 39, 25, 58, 37, 55, 40, 47, 28, 25, 28, 39, 46, 30, 29, & 26 This reflects the true sentiment of readers, but, after 5.30pm the pathetic imbecile who hacks the scores will no doubt skew the results.
Noooo surely the council have their crack team with their cookie cleaner ready to jump into action and save the day!
No doubt the shill does it from their own home, so no potential 'whistleblower' can catch them at it.
Or alternatively it's some 13 year old who thinks it's pretty hilarious to see everyone on here get stressed at the "destruction of democracy". But no, of course your conspiracy scenario is *far* more likely...
It ain't no 13-year old - they have far better things to do with their time. Plus, they wouldn't target just council related stuff.
You couldn't make the paranoia up haha Well know one thing. There is someone at home wetting themselves at your bluster on this. Until people stop biting it won't stop. But fair play to them, if they can get you riled up then their work is successful.
The only person who is getting wet is you...... you drip !
No need to sling insults around Badger. Thats what got you banned the first three times.
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: So far there are 67 comments, with only five having -ve scores. The first fifteen scores are as follows:- All + 39, 25, 58, 37, 55, 40, 47, 28, 25, 28, 39, 46, 30, 29, & 26 This reflects the true sentiment of readers, but, after 5.30pm the pathetic imbecile who hacks the scores will no doubt skew the results.[/p][/quote]Noooo surely the council have their crack team with their cookie cleaner ready to jump into action and save the day![/p][/quote]No doubt the shill does it from their own home, so no potential 'whistleblower' can catch them at it.[/p][/quote]Or alternatively it's some 13 year old who thinks it's pretty hilarious to see everyone on here get stressed at the "destruction of democracy". But no, of course your conspiracy scenario is *far* more likely...[/p][/quote]It ain't no 13-year old - they have far better things to do with their time. Plus, they wouldn't target just council related stuff.[/p][/quote]You couldn't make the paranoia up haha Well know one thing. There is someone at home wetting themselves at your bluster on this. Until people stop biting it won't stop. But fair play to them, if they can get you riled up then their work is successful.[/p][/quote]The only person who is getting wet is you...... you drip ![/p][/quote]No need to sling insults around Badger. Thats what got you banned the first three times. The Great Buda
  • Score: -716

3:52pm Tue 1 Apr 14

YorkPatrol says...

Justin7 wrote:
This is a terrible decision, made just a day after the UN report that global warming is going to result in the country being entirely flooded in the next decade until we stop driving petrol cars. Merrit is a hero for trying to save this city from the tragic horror that could happen to our city with cars everywhere. Protect York. Make it entirely petrol vehicle free!
What about kerosene fuelled jet powered cars? Are they ok?
[quote][p][bold]Justin7[/bold] wrote: This is a terrible decision, made just a day after the UN report that global warming is going to result in the country being entirely flooded in the next decade until we stop driving petrol cars. Merrit is a hero for trying to save this city from the tragic horror that could happen to our city with cars everywhere. Protect York. Make it entirely petrol vehicle free![/p][/quote]What about kerosene fuelled jet powered cars? Are they ok? YorkPatrol
  • Score: -578

3:53pm Tue 1 Apr 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: So far there are 67 comments, with only five having -ve scores. The first fifteen scores are as follows:- All + 39, 25, 58, 37, 55, 40, 47, 28, 25, 28, 39, 46, 30, 29, & 26 This reflects the true sentiment of readers, but, after 5.30pm the pathetic imbecile who hacks the scores will no doubt skew the results.
Noooo surely the council have their crack team with their cookie cleaner ready to jump into action and save the day!
No doubt the shill does it from their own home, so no potential 'whistleblower' can catch them at it.
Or alternatively it's some 13 year old who thinks it's pretty hilarious to see everyone on here get stressed at the "destruction of democracy". But no, of course your conspiracy scenario is *far* more likely...
It ain't no 13-year old - they have far better things to do with their time. Plus, they wouldn't target just council related stuff.
You couldn't make the paranoia up haha Well know one thing. There is someone at home wetting themselves at your bluster on this. Until people stop biting it won't stop. But fair play to them, if they can get you riled up then their work is successful.
The only person who is getting wet is you...... you drip !
My advice, go out, have a walk, calm down, get less stressed.

And repeat after me:
"People laugh at people who believe in conspiracies"
"People laugh at people who believe in conspiracies"
"People laugh at people who believe in conspiracies"
"People laugh at people who believe in conspiracies"

Bless ya. And wipe the foam from off the sides of your mouth before you go outside....
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: So far there are 67 comments, with only five having -ve scores. The first fifteen scores are as follows:- All + 39, 25, 58, 37, 55, 40, 47, 28, 25, 28, 39, 46, 30, 29, & 26 This reflects the true sentiment of readers, but, after 5.30pm the pathetic imbecile who hacks the scores will no doubt skew the results.[/p][/quote]Noooo surely the council have their crack team with their cookie cleaner ready to jump into action and save the day![/p][/quote]No doubt the shill does it from their own home, so no potential 'whistleblower' can catch them at it.[/p][/quote]Or alternatively it's some 13 year old who thinks it's pretty hilarious to see everyone on here get stressed at the "destruction of democracy". But no, of course your conspiracy scenario is *far* more likely...[/p][/quote]It ain't no 13-year old - they have far better things to do with their time. Plus, they wouldn't target just council related stuff.[/p][/quote]You couldn't make the paranoia up haha Well know one thing. There is someone at home wetting themselves at your bluster on this. Until people stop biting it won't stop. But fair play to them, if they can get you riled up then their work is successful.[/p][/quote]The only person who is getting wet is you...... you drip ![/p][/quote]My advice, go out, have a walk, calm down, get less stressed. And repeat after me: "People laugh at people who believe in conspiracies" "People laugh at people who believe in conspiracies" "People laugh at people who believe in conspiracies" "People laugh at people who believe in conspiracies" Bless ya. And wipe the foam from off the sides of your mouth before you go outside.... AGuyFromStrensall
  • Score: -575

3:57pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Councillors and the Officers who advise them have been let down by some very poor DVLA advice re the use of a "yellow card!" first warning." The road signage will doubtless be found to be fully DfT compliant. For now we must await the outcome of any legal appeal by CoYC against the view of one official. That must be coupled with the forthcoming independent Report on the trial scheme, by the Leeds University-based Institute of Transport Studies. Provided that this becomes public domain at the same time as it is is delivered to CoYC, we can all presumably accept its findings, whatever those might be.
It's never the council who are to blame with you, is it ?

Like the inept idiots you defend, it's always someone else's fault.....

The outcome of any ill-advised appeal will be like the Grain Stores, the council are wrong.

'Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will learn in no other'
Benjamin Franklin
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Councillors and the Officers who advise them have been let down by some very poor DVLA advice re the use of a "yellow card!" first warning." The road signage will doubtless be found to be fully DfT compliant. For now we must await the outcome of any legal appeal by CoYC against the view of one official. That must be coupled with the forthcoming independent Report on the trial scheme, by the Leeds University-based Institute of Transport Studies. Provided that this becomes public domain at the same time as it is is delivered to CoYC, we can all presumably accept its findings, whatever those might be.[/p][/quote]It's never the council who are to blame with you, is it ? Like the inept idiots you defend, it's always someone else's fault..... The outcome of any ill-advised appeal will be like the Grain Stores, the council are wrong. 'Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will learn in no other' Benjamin Franklin Badgers Drift
  • Score: -494

4:00pm Tue 1 Apr 14

the original Homer says...

Justin7 wrote:
This is a terrible decision, made just a day after the UN report that global warming is going to result in the country being entirely flooded in the next decade until we stop driving petrol cars.

Merrit is a hero for trying to save this city from the tragic horror that could happen to our city with cars everywhere.

Protect York. Make it entirely petrol vehicle free!
The bridge restrictions mean cars have to drive further, causing more pollution, and more flooding.
[quote][p][bold]Justin7[/bold] wrote: This is a terrible decision, made just a day after the UN report that global warming is going to result in the country being entirely flooded in the next decade until we stop driving petrol cars. Merrit is a hero for trying to save this city from the tragic horror that could happen to our city with cars everywhere. Protect York. Make it entirely petrol vehicle free![/p][/quote]The bridge restrictions mean cars have to drive further, causing more pollution, and more flooding. the original Homer
  • Score: -593

4:02pm Tue 1 Apr 14

sonorbloke says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Councillors and the Officers who advise them have been let down by some very poor DVLA advice re the use of a "yellow card!" first warning." The road signage will doubtless be found to be fully DfT compliant. For now we must await the outcome of any legal appeal by CoYC against the view of one official. That must be coupled with the forthcoming independent Report on the trial scheme, by the Leeds University-based Institute of Transport Studies. Provided that this becomes public domain at the same time as it is is delivered to CoYC, we can all presumably accept its findings, whatever those might be.
Lovely bit of belittling and minimisation there, Paul. This isn't just 'one official'. The gentleman concerned is a senior civil service/judicial appointee called the Traffic Adjudicator, who is clearly far more well versed in traffic law than COYC appear to be, and has the power to decide issues like this, ie whether these restrictions are lawful or not .

Signage on Coppergate ISN'T compliant as the adjudicator says it isn't. He has the power to say whether this is the case or not. Signage on Lendal Bridge is only marginally compliant even now according to the adjudicator, but isn't reasonably located as it doesn't allow drivers time to find alternative routes.

What the independent report states as to effectiveness is not relevant if the current setup is unlawful, which it is.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Councillors and the Officers who advise them have been let down by some very poor DVLA advice re the use of a "yellow card!" first warning." The road signage will doubtless be found to be fully DfT compliant. For now we must await the outcome of any legal appeal by CoYC against the view of one official. That must be coupled with the forthcoming independent Report on the trial scheme, by the Leeds University-based Institute of Transport Studies. Provided that this becomes public domain at the same time as it is is delivered to CoYC, we can all presumably accept its findings, whatever those might be.[/p][/quote]Lovely bit of belittling and minimisation there, Paul. This isn't just 'one official'. The gentleman concerned is a senior civil service/judicial appointee called the Traffic Adjudicator, who is clearly far more well versed in traffic law than COYC appear to be, and has the power to decide issues like this, ie whether these restrictions are lawful or not . Signage on Coppergate ISN'T compliant as the adjudicator says it isn't. He has the power to say whether this is the case or not. Signage on Lendal Bridge is only marginally compliant even now according to the adjudicator, but isn't reasonably located as it doesn't allow drivers time to find alternative routes. What the independent report states as to effectiveness is not relevant if the current setup is unlawful, which it is. sonorbloke
  • Score: -561

4:03pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Cheeky face says...

No surprises at all. I warned them that the Lendal Bridge trial was not being administered properly in July 2013 when the traffic team explained what they intended in the trial. My asking them "in Aug 2013" to read the traffic regs 2002 and the Traffic manual each with each to understand the Dept of Transports intention has been ignored. In fact I have had letters and phone calls mainly ignored since August 2013. Reminders to James Alexander and Kersten England in recent weeks have not achieved a response to my feedback and/or complaints.

Today's congestion because of "foreign" contractors re-surfacing Fishergate is another example where the council could have helped motorists more than they did.

They need to sort out Cameron Gr bus stop sometime- reported by me in 2011! Again, no response fro CofY council.

How York's tourism survives is the eight wonder of the world. Visit York and the top hoteliers carry York, despite the council.

The adjudicator's decision is dated 28th March, 2013 so cannot be an April fool.

Now you may understand why I have moved to Scarborough.

We still need top sort out the traffic congestion and air quality - but has the council another plan?
No surprises at all. I warned them that the Lendal Bridge trial was not being administered properly in July 2013 when the traffic team explained what they intended in the trial. My asking them "in Aug 2013" to read the traffic regs 2002 and the Traffic manual each with each to understand the Dept of Transports intention has been ignored. In fact I have had letters and phone calls mainly ignored since August 2013. Reminders to James Alexander and Kersten England in recent weeks have not achieved a response to my feedback and/or complaints. Today's congestion because of "foreign" contractors re-surfacing Fishergate is another example where the council could have helped motorists more than they did. They need to sort out Cameron Gr bus stop sometime- reported by me in 2011! Again, no response fro CofY council. How York's tourism survives is the eight wonder of the world. Visit York and the top hoteliers carry York, despite the council. The adjudicator's decision is dated 28th March, 2013 so cannot be an April fool. Now you may understand why I have moved to Scarborough. We still need top sort out the traffic congestion and air quality - but has the council another plan? Cheeky face
  • Score: -674

4:04pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Councillors and the Officers who advise them have been let down by some very poor DVLA advice re the use of a "yellow card!" first warning." The road signage will doubtless be found to be fully DfT compliant. For now we must await the outcome of any legal appeal by CoYC against the view of one official. That must be coupled with the forthcoming independent Report on the trial scheme, by the Leeds University-based Institute of Transport Studies. Provided that this becomes public domain at the same time as it is is delivered to CoYC, we can all presumably accept its findings, whatever those might be.
I doubt there is a need to wait. An independent expert in the matter has more of a legal so over things than councillors who took advice? The yellow card system isn't even worth discussing. You can not blame the DVLA when you should have employed people with competence within the traffic planning section. They can do independent reports all they like but how do you get away from the fact that an “expert” in the matter says its illegal. COYC will try and put a paper together by employing some lawyers etc but let’s face it they have not got a leg to stand on and will simply waste more money (our money). Maybe they knew this was going to happen so decided to raise CT?

If you drive over the bridge anytime now and get a fine, you write to the council and say i want to challenge it, see you in court, and then they drop it as a judge will simply fine the council for legal charges for the defence and go with the ruling of the independent expert. After all that is why we have these people. Such as the ORR.

It’s not the signage. It’s the fact it’s not a bus lane which makes it illegal. I'm no planning expert but if I was looking into this for the council I’d look at what constitutes a bus lane to enable the fines to be legal BEFORE implementing a rule. It’s clearly defined and they haven’t complied with it. These people get paid more then enough money to be considered experts in their sections but the fact is they are oblivious to it all... This will go national and once again people will laugh at how stupid a city we are because of these morons along with 20 is plenty littering every road. We are a city run by half whit’s who have no commercial or financial intelligence. We have let them waste a lot of money that could have actually helped this city out on these schemes. No one can justify 1.5m for the 2 closures and twenty is plenty. Its actually disgusting Paul.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Councillors and the Officers who advise them have been let down by some very poor DVLA advice re the use of a "yellow card!" first warning." The road signage will doubtless be found to be fully DfT compliant. For now we must await the outcome of any legal appeal by CoYC against the view of one official. That must be coupled with the forthcoming independent Report on the trial scheme, by the Leeds University-based Institute of Transport Studies. Provided that this becomes public domain at the same time as it is is delivered to CoYC, we can all presumably accept its findings, whatever those might be.[/p][/quote]I doubt there is a need to wait. An independent expert in the matter has more of a legal so over things than councillors who took advice? The yellow card system isn't even worth discussing. You can not blame the DVLA when you should have employed people with competence within the traffic planning section. They can do independent reports all they like but how do you get away from the fact that an “expert” in the matter says its illegal. COYC will try and put a paper together by employing some lawyers etc but let’s face it they have not got a leg to stand on and will simply waste more money (our money). Maybe they knew this was going to happen so decided to raise CT? If you drive over the bridge anytime now and get a fine, you write to the council and say i want to challenge it, see you in court, and then they drop it as a judge will simply fine the council for legal charges for the defence and go with the ruling of the independent expert. After all that is why we have these people. Such as the ORR. It’s not the signage. It’s the fact it’s not a bus lane which makes it illegal. I'm no planning expert but if I was looking into this for the council I’d look at what constitutes a bus lane to enable the fines to be legal BEFORE implementing a rule. It’s clearly defined and they haven’t complied with it. These people get paid more then enough money to be considered experts in their sections but the fact is they are oblivious to it all... This will go national and once again people will laugh at how stupid a city we are because of these morons along with 20 is plenty littering every road. We are a city run by half whit’s who have no commercial or financial intelligence. We have let them waste a lot of money that could have actually helped this city out on these schemes. No one can justify 1.5m for the 2 closures and twenty is plenty. Its actually disgusting Paul. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -475

4:06pm Tue 1 Apr 14

jay, york says...

The Great Buda wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: So far there are 67 comments, with only five having -ve scores. The first fifteen scores are as follows:- All + 39, 25, 58, 37, 55, 40, 47, 28, 25, 28, 39, 46, 30, 29, & 26 This reflects the true sentiment of readers, but, after 5.30pm the pathetic imbecile who hacks the scores will no doubt skew the results.
Noooo surely the council have their crack team with their cookie cleaner ready to jump into action and save the day!
No doubt the shill does it from their own home, so no potential 'whistleblower' can catch them at it.
Or alternatively it's some 13 year old who thinks it's pretty hilarious to see everyone on here get stressed at the "destruction of democracy". But no, of course your conspiracy scenario is *far* more likely...
It ain't no 13-year old - they have far better things to do with their time. Plus, they wouldn't target just council related stuff.
You couldn't make the paranoia up haha Well know one thing. There is someone at home wetting themselves at your bluster on this. Until people stop biting it won't stop. But fair play to them, if they can get you riled up then their work is successful.
The only person who is getting wet is you...... you drip !
No need to sling insults around Badger. Thats what got you banned the first three times.
This wouldnt be a certain female councillor would it ??????
If so,no wonder she has so many different user names - but whatever the name, it is always the same tone, arrogance and rudeness that gives it away. And obviously doesnt realise thisis doing CYC no favours whatsoever.
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: So far there are 67 comments, with only five having -ve scores. The first fifteen scores are as follows:- All + 39, 25, 58, 37, 55, 40, 47, 28, 25, 28, 39, 46, 30, 29, & 26 This reflects the true sentiment of readers, but, after 5.30pm the pathetic imbecile who hacks the scores will no doubt skew the results.[/p][/quote]Noooo surely the council have their crack team with their cookie cleaner ready to jump into action and save the day![/p][/quote]No doubt the shill does it from their own home, so no potential 'whistleblower' can catch them at it.[/p][/quote]Or alternatively it's some 13 year old who thinks it's pretty hilarious to see everyone on here get stressed at the "destruction of democracy". But no, of course your conspiracy scenario is *far* more likely...[/p][/quote]It ain't no 13-year old - they have far better things to do with their time. Plus, they wouldn't target just council related stuff.[/p][/quote]You couldn't make the paranoia up haha Well know one thing. There is someone at home wetting themselves at your bluster on this. Until people stop biting it won't stop. But fair play to them, if they can get you riled up then their work is successful.[/p][/quote]The only person who is getting wet is you...... you drip ![/p][/quote]No need to sling insults around Badger. Thats what got you banned the first three times.[/p][/quote]This wouldnt be a certain female councillor would it ?????? If so,no wonder she has so many different user names - but whatever the name, it is always the same tone, arrogance and rudeness that gives it away. And obviously doesnt realise thisis doing CYC no favours whatsoever. jay, york
  • Score: -575

4:07pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

AGuyFromStrensall,

Who is getting stressed, other than the council, pedalling paul and YOU ?!!!

:)))
AGuyFromStrensall, Who is getting stressed, other than the council, pedalling paul and YOU ?!!! :))) Badgers Drift
  • Score: -873

4:11pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Pinza-C55 says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Councillors and the Officers who advise them have been let down by some very poor DVLA advice re the use of a "yellow card!" first warning." The road signage will doubtless be found to be fully DfT compliant. For now we must await the outcome of any legal appeal by CoYC against the view of one official.
That must be coupled with the forthcoming independent Report on the trial scheme, by the Leeds University-based Institute of Transport Studies. Provided that this becomes public domain at the same time as it is is delivered to CoYC, we can all presumably accept its findings, whatever those might be.
"For now we must await the outcome of any legal appeal by CoYC against the view of one official. "
Translated.
"This official didn't tell me what I wanted to hear so we will wait till May when people forget what a chucklehead I am."
"Councillors and the Officers who advise them have been let down by some very poor DVLA advice re the use of a "yellow card!" first warning."
Translated.
"Blame this on the anonymous and remote DVLA rather the council whose policies I love"
"That must be coupled with the forthcoming independent Report on the trial scheme, by the Leeds University-based Institute of Transport Studies. Provided that this becomes public domain at the same time as it is is delivered to CoYC, we can all presumably accept its findings, whatever those might be."
Translated.
"The Leeds University report may never be published, in which case I can still claim to be right.
If it is published and finds the council at fault I will still not agree with it but you will have forgotten that I said I would".
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Councillors and the Officers who advise them have been let down by some very poor DVLA advice re the use of a "yellow card!" first warning." The road signage will doubtless be found to be fully DfT compliant. For now we must await the outcome of any legal appeal by CoYC against the view of one official. That must be coupled with the forthcoming independent Report on the trial scheme, by the Leeds University-based Institute of Transport Studies. Provided that this becomes public domain at the same time as it is is delivered to CoYC, we can all presumably accept its findings, whatever those might be.[/p][/quote]"For now we must await the outcome of any legal appeal by CoYC against the view of one official. " Translated. "This official didn't tell me what I wanted to hear so we will wait till May when people forget what a chucklehead I am." "Councillors and the Officers who advise them have been let down by some very poor DVLA advice re the use of a "yellow card!" first warning." Translated. "Blame this on the anonymous and remote DVLA rather the council whose policies I love" "That must be coupled with the forthcoming independent Report on the trial scheme, by the Leeds University-based Institute of Transport Studies. Provided that this becomes public domain at the same time as it is is delivered to CoYC, we can all presumably accept its findings, whatever those might be." Translated. "The Leeds University report may never be published, in which case I can still claim to be right. If it is published and finds the council at fault I will still not agree with it but you will have forgotten that I said I would". Pinza-C55
  • Score: -893

4:12pm Tue 1 Apr 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall,

Who is getting stressed, other than the council, pedalling paul and YOU ?!!!

:)))
Hey, I'm sat here trying to stifle a giggle at your getting your knickers in a twist (every day!) at something so inconsequential as the comments numbers on a local news website. How anyone could get stressed at something so simple is hilarious, you really need to get your life priorities straight,,,,
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: AGuyFromStrensall, Who is getting stressed, other than the council, pedalling paul and YOU ?!!! :)))[/p][/quote]Hey, I'm sat here trying to stifle a giggle at your getting your knickers in a twist (every day!) at something so inconsequential as the comments numbers on a local news website. How anyone could get stressed at something so simple is hilarious, you really need to get your life priorities straight,,,, AGuyFromStrensall
  • Score: -849

4:12pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Cheeky face says...

Sonors ciomments look sound. Blue signs on the station side of Lendal br are almost good enough, but no blue signs are evident near the Visit York building , or, I believe, near Coppergate.

Blue signs and road markings on the Mount and Blossom St are quite good.

Essex County Council were better than York but still they refunded £1.3m re Colchester city center bus lane.

The adjudicator has visited for good reason- let's hope he did not get a PCN.

I agree with Paul we need to see the independent report as it should clearly give York a way forward.
Sonors ciomments look sound. Blue signs on the station side of Lendal br are almost good enough, but no blue signs are evident near the Visit York building , or, I believe, near Coppergate. Blue signs and road markings on the Mount and Blossom St are quite good. Essex County Council were better than York but still they refunded £1.3m re Colchester city center bus lane. The adjudicator has visited for good reason- let's hope he did not get a PCN. I agree with Paul we need to see the independent report as it should clearly give York a way forward. Cheeky face
  • Score: -1130

4:13pm Tue 1 Apr 14

LibDem says...

The Leadership of the Council could get into very serious trouble if it doesn't (at least) switch off the ANPR cameras today, while it seeks "independent legal advice".

If it is seen to harry and intimidate road users on the basis of an unlawful enforcement method then the Councillors responsible could find themselves being sued by their victims.

I would image that complaints of maladministration are already on their way to the Ombudsman while the District Auditor has powers to intervene if he believes the Council are pursing policies which deliberately jeopardise public finances.

There is also the small matter of the City's reputation with the 80% or so of those fined who were visitors to the City. Anyone issued with a PCN since lunchtime would have a legitimate expectation that their appeal costs would be covered.

Advice to Labour Councillors, "stop digging".
The Leadership of the Council could get into very serious trouble if it doesn't (at least) switch off the ANPR cameras today, while it seeks "independent legal advice". If it is seen to harry and intimidate road users on the basis of an unlawful enforcement method then the Councillors responsible could find themselves being sued by their victims. I would image that complaints of maladministration are already on their way to the Ombudsman while the District Auditor has powers to intervene if he believes the Council are pursing policies which deliberately jeopardise public finances. There is also the small matter of the City's reputation with the 80% or so of those fined who were visitors to the City. Anyone issued with a PCN since lunchtime would have a legitimate expectation that their appeal costs would be covered. Advice to Labour Councillors, "stop digging". LibDem
  • Score: -782

4:14pm Tue 1 Apr 14

york_chap says...

Justin7 wrote:
This is a terrible decision, made just a day after the UN report that global warming is going to result in the country being entirely flooded in the next decade until we stop driving petrol cars. Merrit is a hero for trying to save this city from the tragic horror that could happen to our city with cars everywhere. Protect York. Make it entirely petrol vehicle free!

LOL. The UN report had to predict that global warming will have disastrous results - otherwise several hundred global warming researchers, including those writing that very report, would be out of a job. If you think that people in York, or even the whole of the UK switching from petrol cars to buses and electric cars (all powered by burning fossil fuels) will save the planet, you are clearly deluded.

The part of the world in which our country is located has at times been covered in 100ft glaciers and at other times in history has had tropical animals roaming around its grassy plains (i.e. it's been a lot hotter and a lot colder than it is now) - and funnily enough, all quite a few thousand years before the internal combustion engine was invented.
Justin7 wrote: This is a terrible decision, made just a day after the UN report that global warming is going to result in the country being entirely flooded in the next decade until we stop driving petrol cars. Merrit is a hero for trying to save this city from the tragic horror that could happen to our city with cars everywhere. Protect York. Make it entirely petrol vehicle free! LOL. The UN report had to predict that global warming will have disastrous results - otherwise several hundred global warming researchers, including those writing that very report, would be out of a job. If you think that people in York, or even the whole of the UK switching from petrol cars to buses and electric cars (all powered by burning fossil fuels) will save the planet, you are clearly deluded. The part of the world in which our country is located has at times been covered in 100ft glaciers and at other times in history has had tropical animals roaming around its grassy plains (i.e. it's been a lot hotter and a lot colder than it is now) - and funnily enough, all quite a few thousand years before the internal combustion engine was invented. york_chap
  • Score: -782

4:14pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Clubfoot says...

That will be £30 ta very much !
That will be £30 ta very much ! Clubfoot
  • Score: -745

4:17pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

the original Homer wrote:
Justin7 wrote: This is a terrible decision, made just a day after the UN report that global warming is going to result in the country being entirely flooded in the next decade until we stop driving petrol cars. Merrit is a hero for trying to save this city from the tragic horror that could happen to our city with cars everywhere. Protect York. Make it entirely petrol vehicle free!
The bridge restrictions mean cars have to drive further, causing more pollution, and more flooding.
Justin 7. Please can you show me hard evidence that global warming exists as a direct result of traffic pollution or even co2 emissions? Does the methane in the poles not cause more then 60% of global CO2 emissions? Regardless of that fact global warming does not exist (also global warming causing flooding? are you mental? it means warming, i think you mean climate change). Just in case other fairy tails you may still believe in, I can also confirm that the tooth fairy isn’t real, Santa doesn’t exist, If you lie your nose doesn’t grow, trolls don’t live under bridges (despite us paying to go over them) and smoking trees and being a hippie is not way of life that is cool anymore.

The World is constantly fluctuating as it’s never in the same place or spinning at the same speed. This results in climate change and believe it or not in the Jurassic period dinosaurs didn’t get an ice age from flying planes and driving cars. If you do want to live in an area that is petrol free can I suggest you get on a boat (sail boat obviously) and just stay out at sea.
[quote][p][bold]the original Homer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Justin7[/bold] wrote: This is a terrible decision, made just a day after the UN report that global warming is going to result in the country being entirely flooded in the next decade until we stop driving petrol cars. Merrit is a hero for trying to save this city from the tragic horror that could happen to our city with cars everywhere. Protect York. Make it entirely petrol vehicle free![/p][/quote]The bridge restrictions mean cars have to drive further, causing more pollution, and more flooding.[/p][/quote]Justin 7. Please can you show me hard evidence that global warming exists as a direct result of traffic pollution or even co2 emissions? Does the methane in the poles not cause more then 60% of global CO2 emissions? Regardless of that fact global warming does not exist (also global warming causing flooding? are you mental? it means warming, i think you mean climate change). Just in case other fairy tails you may still believe in, I can also confirm that the tooth fairy isn’t real, Santa doesn’t exist, If you lie your nose doesn’t grow, trolls don’t live under bridges (despite us paying to go over them) and smoking trees and being a hippie is not way of life that is cool anymore. The World is constantly fluctuating as it’s never in the same place or spinning at the same speed. This results in climate change and believe it or not in the Jurassic period dinosaurs didn’t get an ice age from flying planes and driving cars. If you do want to live in an area that is petrol free can I suggest you get on a boat (sail boat obviously) and just stay out at sea. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 207

4:18pm Tue 1 Apr 14

IkonAndDiva says...

Resignations are required.
Resignations are required. IkonAndDiva
  • Score: -617

4:20pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Osbaldwick Lad says...

If Labour is going to have any involvement in the running of this City after the next elections I feel that the Party itself should take some appropriate action. If I were to vote Labour I would expect at least any Labour Councillor involved in this fiasco who has not resigned should at least be de-selected and a fresh candidate put in place.
If Labour is going to have any involvement in the running of this City after the next elections I feel that the Party itself should take some appropriate action. If I were to vote Labour I would expect at least any Labour Councillor involved in this fiasco who has not resigned should at least be de-selected and a fresh candidate put in place. Osbaldwick Lad
  • Score: -482

4:21pm Tue 1 Apr 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

Osbaldwick Lad wrote:
If Labour is going to have any involvement in the running of this City after the next elections I feel that the Party itself should take some appropriate action. If I were to vote Labour I would expect at least any Labour Councillor involved in this fiasco who has not resigned should at least be de-selected and a fresh candidate put in place.
The sad thing is so many of the councillors are in safe seats so no matter when madness they get up to they are not going to be turfed out.
However Merret has the smallest margin in his ward so fingers crossed!
[quote][p][bold]Osbaldwick Lad[/bold] wrote: If Labour is going to have any involvement in the running of this City after the next elections I feel that the Party itself should take some appropriate action. If I were to vote Labour I would expect at least any Labour Councillor involved in this fiasco who has not resigned should at least be de-selected and a fresh candidate put in place.[/p][/quote]The sad thing is so many of the councillors are in safe seats so no matter when madness they get up to they are not going to be turfed out. However Merret has the smallest margin in his ward so fingers crossed! AGuyFromStrensall
  • Score: -857

4:25pm Tue 1 Apr 14

sonorbloke says...

Cheeky face wrote:
Sonors ciomments look sound. Blue signs on the station side of Lendal br are almost good enough, but no blue signs are evident near the Visit York building , or, I believe, near Coppergate. Blue signs and road markings on the Mount and Blossom St are quite good. Essex County Council were better than York but still they refunded £1.3m re Colchester city center bus lane. The adjudicator has visited for good reason- let's hope he did not get a PCN. I agree with Paul we need to see the independent report as it should clearly give York a way forward.
Slight point of order;

if the independent report is based on the current setup, ie the one that the adjudicator has decided is unlawful, it does not matter one in any way what it says as this setup could not continue as it is.

Reading the adjudicator's comments and between the lines it is difficult to see how the Coppergate restrictions could be made to be lawful.
[quote][p][bold]Cheeky face[/bold] wrote: Sonors ciomments look sound. Blue signs on the station side of Lendal br are almost good enough, but no blue signs are evident near the Visit York building , or, I believe, near Coppergate. Blue signs and road markings on the Mount and Blossom St are quite good. Essex County Council were better than York but still they refunded £1.3m re Colchester city center bus lane. The adjudicator has visited for good reason- let's hope he did not get a PCN. I agree with Paul we need to see the independent report as it should clearly give York a way forward.[/p][/quote]Slight point of order; if the independent report is based on the current setup, ie the one that the adjudicator has decided is unlawful, it does not matter one in any way what it says as this setup could not continue as it is. Reading the adjudicator's comments and between the lines it is difficult to see how the Coppergate restrictions could be made to be lawful. sonorbloke
  • Score: -875

4:27pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: AGuyFromStrensall, Who is getting stressed, other than the council, pedalling paul and YOU ?!!! :)))
Hey, I'm sat here trying to stifle a giggle at your getting your knickers in a twist (every day!) at something so inconsequential as the comments numbers on a local news website. How anyone could get stressed at something so simple is hilarious, you really need to get your life priorities straight,,,,
On the contrary, I was recording the factual score, and goading the pathetic imbecile..... all good fun :)

I'm happy with my priorities, so you mind your own !!!
[quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: AGuyFromStrensall, Who is getting stressed, other than the council, pedalling paul and YOU ?!!! :)))[/p][/quote]Hey, I'm sat here trying to stifle a giggle at your getting your knickers in a twist (every day!) at something so inconsequential as the comments numbers on a local news website. How anyone could get stressed at something so simple is hilarious, you really need to get your life priorities straight,,,,[/p][/quote]On the contrary, I was recording the factual score, and goading the pathetic imbecile..... all good fun :) I'm happy with my priorities, so you mind your own !!! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -897

4:33pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Richard Catton says...

hokey cokey wrote:
The appeal was based on a transgression on Coppergate. A street that has been restricted for many years before the current Labour administration took power. A restriction that was regularly flouted by motorists who knew they would get away with it apart from when the police held very occasional checks. The use of camera's has been a very good deterrent and it has irked alot of people because they cannot "get away with it". It is interesting that the appellant was a local and decided because he was carrying someone else his car became a taxi! Hmm next time I drive my mother in law to the station does that make my car a taxi, or the kids to an activity on the far side of town? I think the councillors have been let down by some very poor advice firstly by the DVLA who said that they could not send motorists "yellow cards" but also there legal advice team on road sign terminology. This is a good idea that has been executed badly!
No! The council hasn't been let down by poor advice.
The council has been let down by its blind and rabid determination to steamroller this ridiculous scheme through to a conclusion.

They have ignored logic and more importantly ignored the wishes of the majority in York.

Yes, they are subject to central government targets but let's not forget the real motivation behind this fiasco is an underlying hatred of the car and those who use them.

Resignations must follow. And if COYC is even considering spending a single penny of our money on launching a legal a challenge to these findings they should be ashamed of themselves .
[quote][p][bold]hokey cokey[/bold] wrote: The appeal was based on a transgression on Coppergate. A street that has been restricted for many years before the current Labour administration took power. A restriction that was regularly flouted by motorists who knew they would get away with it apart from when the police held very occasional checks. The use of camera's has been a very good deterrent and it has irked alot of people because they cannot "get away with it". It is interesting that the appellant was a local and decided because he was carrying someone else his car became a taxi! Hmm next time I drive my mother in law to the station does that make my car a taxi, or the kids to an activity on the far side of town? I think the councillors have been let down by some very poor advice firstly by the DVLA who said that they could not send motorists "yellow cards" but also there legal advice team on road sign terminology. This is a good idea that has been executed badly![/p][/quote]No! The council hasn't been let down by poor advice. The council has been let down by its blind and rabid determination to steamroller this ridiculous scheme through to a conclusion. They have ignored logic and more importantly ignored the wishes of the majority in York. Yes, they are subject to central government targets but let's not forget the real motivation behind this fiasco is an underlying hatred of the car and those who use them. Resignations must follow. And if COYC is even considering spending a single penny of our money on launching a legal a challenge to these findings they should be ashamed of themselves . Richard Catton
  • Score: -849

4:33pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Woody G Mellor says...

Dear Idiot Councillor Merrett,

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RESIGN!
Dear Idiot Councillor Merrett, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, RESIGN! Woody G Mellor
  • Score: -869

4:34pm Tue 1 Apr 14

spottycow says...

IF FOUND ITS ILLEGAL YOU CAN SUE YORK CITY COUNCIL FOR DEMANDING ILLEGAL MONEY FROM YOU I DID THIS TO A COMPANY WORKING FOR ASDA PARKING AND I WON PLUS DAMMAGES
IF FOUND ITS ILLEGAL YOU CAN SUE YORK CITY COUNCIL FOR DEMANDING ILLEGAL MONEY FROM YOU I DID THIS TO A COMPANY WORKING FOR ASDA PARKING AND I WON PLUS DAMMAGES spottycow
  • Score: -881

4:43pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Cheeky face says...

Sonorbloke . Sorry but my comment to wait the independent report covers all issues; i.e. traffic flow, bus times etc.

Incidentally readers, I have asked the Council who at DVLA did Merritt speak to. No reply, despite a reminder to the chief exec!
. I spoke to DVLA and they do not believe wrong advice was given re yellow card option.
Any yellow card option would still have been costly to council tax payers.

The rumour regarding the sale of the old council offices and a proviso for their guests to have easy access was heard by me from a taxi driver; at the Scarborough cricket festival. Presumed to be a fare for a councillor who could not keep "Stum".

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Sonorbloke . Sorry but my comment to wait the independent report covers all issues; i.e. traffic flow, bus times etc. Incidentally readers, I have asked the Council who at DVLA did Merritt speak to. No reply, despite a reminder to the chief exec! . I spoke to DVLA and they do not believe wrong advice was given re yellow card option. Any yellow card option would still have been costly to council tax payers. The rumour regarding the sale of the old council offices and a proviso for their guests to have easy access was heard by me from a taxi driver; at the Scarborough cricket festival. Presumed to be a fare for a councillor who could not keep "Stum". . Cheeky face
  • Score: -808

4:44pm Tue 1 Apr 14

postie28 says...

there goes the final nail into this totally inept councils coffin. resign now or face utter humiliation next may
there goes the final nail into this totally inept councils coffin. resign now or face utter humiliation next may postie28
  • Score: -764

4:49pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Meldrew2 says...

Add to this the complete waste of money for the city wide 20mph signs and the amount of money this council has cost us is immense.

I also got an email from them today stating that many households have been sent duplicate Council Tax bills. No apology for sending me two though.

More money down the drain?
Add to this the complete waste of money for the city wide 20mph signs and the amount of money this council has cost us is immense. I also got an email from them today stating that many households have been sent duplicate Council Tax bills. No apology for sending me two though. More money down the drain? Meldrew2
  • Score: -675

4:49pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Bailed Out says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
Dr Brian wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Dr Brian wrote:
sniper 9964 wrote:
April Fools ????
Well if it is as I said earlier the Press could find a lot of people totally peed off by them publishing and it could cost people money driving over the bridge because the Press have encouraged them to with the article

That to me would make the Press the fools.
It cannot be an April Fool. If you follow the link to the PDF of his adjudication it has his name at the bottom so if the Press invented this and put his name to it they would be in the queue at the Jobcentre behind senior council figures.
Come to think of it I wonder if the council could get a "Crisis Loan"?
Yes I know now Pinza but the link was not there when there were doubts about whether it was real or an prank
True.
I live very close to the West Offices and I haven't seen anybody jumping out of the 3rd floor windows yet so they must be taking it pretty well.
Not been back to my hometown for a while. Anyone know if the Stocks are still there and if they still work ?
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sniper 9964[/bold] wrote: April Fools ????[/p][/quote]Well if it is as I said earlier the Press could find a lot of people totally peed off by them publishing and it could cost people money driving over the bridge because the Press have encouraged them to with the article That to me would make the Press the fools.[/p][/quote]It cannot be an April Fool. If you follow the link to the PDF of his adjudication it has his name at the bottom so if the Press invented this and put his name to it they would be in the queue at the Jobcentre behind senior council figures. Come to think of it I wonder if the council could get a "Crisis Loan"?[/p][/quote]Yes I know now Pinza but the link was not there when there were doubts about whether it was real or an prank[/p][/quote]True. I live very close to the West Offices and I haven't seen anybody jumping out of the 3rd floor windows yet so they must be taking it pretty well.[/p][/quote]Not been back to my hometown for a while. Anyone know if the Stocks are still there and if they still work ? Bailed Out
  • Score: 917

4:52pm Tue 1 Apr 14

long distance depressive says...

Knavesmire view wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Are we seriously suprised. This incumbent Council has been incompetent at best, neglible at worst.

An omnishambles of the highest order.

They should all resign now!!
Juntas don't resign, they are ousted though a good old fashioned lynching would be preferable!
[quote][p][bold]Knavesmire view[/bold] wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Are we seriously suprised. This incumbent Council has been incompetent at best, neglible at worst. An omnishambles of the highest order. They should all resign now!![/p][/quote]Juntas don't resign, they are ousted though a good old fashioned lynching would be preferable! long distance depressive
  • Score: 159

5:04pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Overproof says...

Woody G Mellor wrote:
Dear Idiot Councillor Merrett,

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RESIGN!
Say that again, it wasn't quite clear enough ;)
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  • Score: 87

5:05pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Bailed Out wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Dr Brian wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Dr Brian wrote:
sniper 9964 wrote:
April Fools ????
Well if it is as I said earlier the Press could find a lot of people totally peed off by them publishing and it could cost people money driving over the bridge because the Press have encouraged them to with the article

That to me would make the Press the fools.
It cannot be an April Fool. If you follow the link to the PDF of his adjudication it has his name at the bottom so if the Press invented this and put his name to it they would be in the queue at the Jobcentre behind senior council figures.
Come to think of it I wonder if the council could get a "Crisis Loan"?
Yes I know now Pinza but the link was not there when there were doubts about whether it was real or an prank
True.
I live very close to the West Offices and I haven't seen anybody jumping out of the 3rd floor windows yet so they must be taking it pretty well.
Not been back to my hometown for a while. Anyone know if the Stocks are still there and if they still work ?
Theres a set of stocks outside the church halfway down Micklegate - very convenient for the Kremlin and we could pock up some fruit from Budgens before the close on Saturday.
[quote][p][bold]Bailed Out[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sniper 9964[/bold] wrote: April Fools ????[/p][/quote]Well if it is as I said earlier the Press could find a lot of people totally peed off by them publishing and it could cost people money driving over the bridge because the Press have encouraged them to with the article That to me would make the Press the fools.[/p][/quote]It cannot be an April Fool. If you follow the link to the PDF of his adjudication it has his name at the bottom so if the Press invented this and put his name to it they would be in the queue at the Jobcentre behind senior council figures. Come to think of it I wonder if the council could get a "Crisis Loan"?[/p][/quote]Yes I know now Pinza but the link was not there when there were doubts about whether it was real or an prank[/p][/quote]True. I live very close to the West Offices and I haven't seen anybody jumping out of the 3rd floor windows yet so they must be taking it pretty well.[/p][/quote]Not been back to my hometown for a while. Anyone know if the Stocks are still there and if they still work ?[/p][/quote]Theres a set of stocks outside the church halfway down Micklegate - very convenient for the Kremlin and we could pock up some fruit from Budgens before the close on Saturday. Pinza-C55
  • Score: -171

5:05pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Bailed Out wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Dr Brian wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Dr Brian wrote:
sniper 9964 wrote:
April Fools ????
Well if it is as I said earlier the Press could find a lot of people totally peed off by them publishing and it could cost people money driving over the bridge because the Press have encouraged them to with the article

That to me would make the Press the fools.
It cannot be an April Fool. If you follow the link to the PDF of his adjudication it has his name at the bottom so if the Press invented this and put his name to it they would be in the queue at the Jobcentre behind senior council figures.
Come to think of it I wonder if the council could get a "Crisis Loan"?
Yes I know now Pinza but the link was not there when there were doubts about whether it was real or an prank
True.
I live very close to the West Offices and I haven't seen anybody jumping out of the 3rd floor windows yet so they must be taking it pretty well.
Not been back to my hometown for a while. Anyone know if the Stocks are still there and if they still work ?
Theres a set of stocks outside the church halfway down Micklegate - very convenient for the Kremlin and we could pock up some fruit from Budgens before the close on Saturday.
[quote][p][bold]Bailed Out[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sniper 9964[/bold] wrote: April Fools ????[/p][/quote]Well if it is as I said earlier the Press could find a lot of people totally peed off by them publishing and it could cost people money driving over the bridge because the Press have encouraged them to with the article That to me would make the Press the fools.[/p][/quote]It cannot be an April Fool. If you follow the link to the PDF of his adjudication it has his name at the bottom so if the Press invented this and put his name to it they would be in the queue at the Jobcentre behind senior council figures. Come to think of it I wonder if the council could get a "Crisis Loan"?[/p][/quote]Yes I know now Pinza but the link was not there when there were doubts about whether it was real or an prank[/p][/quote]True. I live very close to the West Offices and I haven't seen anybody jumping out of the 3rd floor windows yet so they must be taking it pretty well.[/p][/quote]Not been back to my hometown for a while. Anyone know if the Stocks are still there and if they still work ?[/p][/quote]Theres a set of stocks outside the church halfway down Micklegate - very convenient for the Kremlin and we could pock up some fruit from Budgens before the close on Saturday. Pinza-C55
  • Score: 320

5:09pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Blimp says...

Brilliant, love it! More please.

Actually forget the "More please". Although it's hilarious, it's far too expensive.
Brilliant, love it! More please. Actually forget the "More please". Although it's hilarious, it's far too expensive. Blimp
  • Score: -53

5:19pm Tue 1 Apr 14

tobefair says...

Note to Harry Gration.

Can you get Councillor Merrett back on Look North? We'd all like to hear his response to this.
Note to Harry Gration. Can you get Councillor Merrett back on Look North? We'd all like to hear his response to this. tobefair
  • Score: -730

5:22pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Dr Brian says...

"The Press asked for a reaction to the adjudicator's report from a named Labour cabinet member, but the response instead came from a party spokesman"

Typical the likes of Jimmy no mates, Merrett and Tracy Simpson Laing want their mugs in the Press and want quoting when they have good news but they hide behind a Party spokesman when they know they have got it badly wrong.

The three of them have got it wrong - they wont admit it they insist on wasting more rate payers money with legal advice trying to cover their own backs - they have been a spent force in local politics for months but are digging themselves deeper and deeper into trouble.

Alexander wants to be an MP - 20 constituency parties have turned him down according to a close source I heard from a couple of days ago - nobody is ever going to want him after they see how he has acted in York - so we can be thankful for one thing at least.

We have had some poor leaders of various councils in York (of all party colours) but this bloke is going down as the worst by a long long way!
"The Press asked for a reaction to the adjudicator's report from a named Labour cabinet member, but the response instead came from a party spokesman" Typical the likes of Jimmy no mates, Merrett and Tracy Simpson Laing want their mugs in the Press and want quoting when they have good news but they hide behind a Party spokesman when they know they have got it badly wrong. The three of them have got it wrong - they wont admit it they insist on wasting more rate payers money with legal advice trying to cover their own backs - they have been a spent force in local politics for months but are digging themselves deeper and deeper into trouble. Alexander wants to be an MP - 20 constituency parties have turned him down according to a close source I heard from a couple of days ago - nobody is ever going to want him after they see how he has acted in York - so we can be thankful for one thing at least. We have had some poor leaders of various councils in York (of all party colours) but this bloke is going down as the worst by a long long way! Dr Brian
  • Score: 133

5:27pm Tue 1 Apr 14

RoseD says...

I agree with Woody

HAHAHAHAHAHAH

And, able-ist bigot NO MERRETT specifically excluded all blue badge drivers cos if he let one across he'd be forced to let 'em all across and we CANT HAVE THAT.

I was ready to sue for my OWN air quality being ruined: my house is now on a chicane of Lendal Avoidance and we're 3 feet from the fumes.

RESIGN and Please, Please, Please, can someone sensible from Labour run in 2015?
I agree with Woody HAHAHAHAHAHAH And, able-ist bigot NO MERRETT specifically excluded all blue badge drivers cos if he let one across he'd be forced to let 'em all across and we CANT HAVE THAT. I was ready to sue for my OWN air quality being ruined: my house is now on a chicane of Lendal Avoidance and we're 3 feet from the fumes. RESIGN and Please, Please, Please, can someone sensible from Labour run in 2015? RoseD
  • Score: -654

5:31pm Tue 1 Apr 14

acomblass says...

Latest Twitter from our esteemed Leader indicates he is on a train down to London with a couple of Lords. Talk about fiddling whilst Rome is burning. Any Leader worth his salt would resign immediately and take Merrett with him. CYC has been spinning out of control for some months now - what price Cllrs Frasers and Williams comments re the fiasco at the Council meeting last week.
Latest Twitter from our esteemed Leader indicates he is on a train down to London with a couple of Lords. Talk about fiddling whilst Rome is burning. Any Leader worth his salt would resign immediately and take Merrett with him. CYC has been spinning out of control for some months now - what price Cllrs Frasers and Williams comments re the fiasco at the Council meeting last week. acomblass
  • Score: 7044

5:31pm Tue 1 Apr 14

the commentator says...

what happens to the money made by the 3rd party administrator who ran the fines for COYC?
what happens to the money made by the 3rd party administrator who ran the fines for COYC? the commentator
  • Score: 6790

5:31pm Tue 1 Apr 14

the commentator says...

what happens to the money made by the 3rd party administrator who ran the fines for COYC?
what happens to the money made by the 3rd party administrator who ran the fines for COYC? the commentator
  • Score: 364

5:32pm Tue 1 Apr 14

bolero says...

Could we not have a similar adjudication over this lunatic council who must be guilty of downright maladministration and misguided policies? Alternatively, they could just get out before they are thrown out next May and that will happen as sure as night follows day. The only thing that bothers me is the thought of similarly incompetent hoodlums waiting in the wings.
Could we not have a similar adjudication over this lunatic council who must be guilty of downright maladministration and misguided policies? Alternatively, they could just get out before they are thrown out next May and that will happen as sure as night follows day. The only thing that bothers me is the thought of similarly incompetent hoodlums waiting in the wings. bolero
  • Score: 39

5:33pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Silver says...

Cannot wait for Look North tonight
Cannot wait for Look North tonight Silver
  • Score: 238

5:34pm Tue 1 Apr 14

againstthecuts says...

Did we really vote these lot in? Refund please.
Did we really vote these lot in? Refund please. againstthecuts
  • Score: 289

5:39pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Oyy you says...

Hahaha, poor jimmy and ferret.........
Hahaha, poor jimmy and ferret......... Oyy you
  • Score: -17

5:39pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Dr Brian says...

Just been watching the Council web cast live on internet TSL would not let one member discuss the Lendal Bridge issue Tyical. Orwell must have meant this lot when he coined the phrase nonspeak (or whatever it was!)
Just been watching the Council web cast live on internet TSL would not let one member discuss the Lendal Bridge issue Tyical. Orwell must have meant this lot when he coined the phrase nonspeak (or whatever it was!) Dr Brian
  • Score: 8

5:42pm Tue 1 Apr 14

jay, york says...

Dr Brian wrote:
"The Press asked for a reaction to the adjudicator's report from a named Labour cabinet member, but the response instead came from a party spokesman" Typical the likes of Jimmy no mates, Merrett and Tracy Simpson Laing want their mugs in the Press and want quoting when they have good news but they hide behind a Party spokesman when they know they have got it badly wrong. The three of them have got it wrong - they wont admit it they insist on wasting more rate payers money with legal advice trying to cover their own backs - they have been a spent force in local politics for months but are digging themselves deeper and deeper into trouble. Alexander wants to be an MP - 20 constituency parties have turned him down according to a close source I heard from a couple of days ago - nobody is ever going to want him after they see how he has acted in York - so we can be thankful for one thing at least. We have had some poor leaders of various councils in York (of all party colours) but this bloke is going down as the worst by a long long way!
So true that they do hide behind a party spokesman when they know they have got it badly wrong. It was Darren Richardson they put forward to speak on Radio York in the last half hour. The one notable thing he did say was that this is a very serious situation.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: "The Press asked for a reaction to the adjudicator's report from a named Labour cabinet member, but the response instead came from a party spokesman" Typical the likes of Jimmy no mates, Merrett and Tracy Simpson Laing want their mugs in the Press and want quoting when they have good news but they hide behind a Party spokesman when they know they have got it badly wrong. The three of them have got it wrong - they wont admit it they insist on wasting more rate payers money with legal advice trying to cover their own backs - they have been a spent force in local politics for months but are digging themselves deeper and deeper into trouble. Alexander wants to be an MP - 20 constituency parties have turned him down according to a close source I heard from a couple of days ago - nobody is ever going to want him after they see how he has acted in York - so we can be thankful for one thing at least. We have had some poor leaders of various councils in York (of all party colours) but this bloke is going down as the worst by a long long way![/p][/quote]So true that they do hide behind a party spokesman when they know they have got it badly wrong. It was Darren Richardson they put forward to speak on Radio York in the last half hour. The one notable thing he did say was that this is a very serious situation. jay, york
  • Score: 317

5:45pm Tue 1 Apr 14

trailblazer says...

Its not just the politicians to blame but also these so called council officers who advise the idiots who make the decisions, we should look to sack them, and save us money, MAYHEM MERRETT strikes again.
Its not just the politicians to blame but also these so called council officers who advise the idiots who make the decisions, we should look to sack them, and save us money, MAYHEM MERRETT strikes again. trailblazer
  • Score: 254

5:54pm Tue 1 Apr 14

piaggio1 says...

Well if he.s on a train to londistan..I hope our tax money aint payin for his ticket. There again if he do.snt come back its money well spent.
Well if he.s on a train to londistan..I hope our tax money aint payin for his ticket. There again if he do.snt come back its money well spent. piaggio1
  • Score: -357

5:58pm Tue 1 Apr 14

buzzy_bee says...

Interesting how comments which had a scoring 50+ thumbs up now have like 70 thumbs down. Would take at least 120 people to reverse it from +50 to - 70.

Wouldn't surprise me if staff at the council have been instructed to come on here and mess with the scoring
Interesting how comments which had a scoring 50+ thumbs up now have like 70 thumbs down. Would take at least 120 people to reverse it from +50 to - 70. Wouldn't surprise me if staff at the council have been instructed to come on here and mess with the scoring buzzy_bee
  • Score: 463

6:03pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Dr Brian says...

I see the thumbs down man / woman has started!
I see the thumbs down man / woman has started! Dr Brian
  • Score: 497

6:06pm Tue 1 Apr 14

IkonAndDiva says...

Corruption of The Press scoring system from the usual suspects, to distort the overwhelming opinion of the COYC fiasco. Disgusting behaviour.
Corruption of The Press scoring system from the usual suspects, to distort the overwhelming opinion of the COYC fiasco. Disgusting behaviour. IkonAndDiva
  • Score: 241

6:08pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Garrowby Turnoff says...

This is no April Fools joke. But, it's still not clear whether or not you'll get a fine for crossing Lendal Bridge from today. It needs clarifying straight away.
This is no April Fools joke. But, it's still not clear whether or not you'll get a fine for crossing Lendal Bridge from today. It needs clarifying straight away. Garrowby Turnoff
  • Score: -366

6:09pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Woody G Mellor says...

Dr Brian wrote:
I see the thumbs down man / woman has started!
Idiot/sad git.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: I see the thumbs down man / woman has started![/p][/quote]Idiot/sad git. Woody G Mellor
  • Score: 498

6:12pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Matt RSJ says...

Did anyone just see the calendar report when lisa adlam was at the bottom of Lendal opposite Yorkshire House/Norwich Union.

A cyclist was just getting off her bike after heading the wrong way on the wrong side of the road.

And someone said cyclists weren't a liability. Wonder if I can get away with driving down the wrong side of the road...
Did anyone just see the calendar report when lisa adlam was at the bottom of Lendal opposite Yorkshire House/Norwich Union. A cyclist was just getting off her bike after heading the wrong way on the wrong side of the road. And someone said cyclists weren't a liability. Wonder if I can get away with driving down the wrong side of the road... Matt RSJ
  • Score: 661

6:13pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Matt RSJ says...

the cookie monster has started
the cookie monster has started Matt RSJ
  • Score: 699

6:16pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Platform3 says...

Questions surrounding the credibility and the capability of the current ruling group on the city Council and, to be fair, a number of Council officers, have already been raised. This latest fiasco only goes to confirm the suspicions are confirmed. The handling of this issue, and others like the Monk Stray debacle, has brought the good reputation of this fine city into disrepute and for that reason alone those involved should do the honorable thing and resign. This goes well beyond whether or not the trial closure of Lendal Bridge is a good idea - it cuts right into the core of how we are administered at a local level. Regardless of political persuasion we all have a right to be represented by competent, rational thinking individuals rather than dogma driven pseudo politicos who see pushing through policies to satisfy their own personal ambitions as more important that doing what is best for the city as a whole.
Questions surrounding the credibility and the capability of the current ruling group on the city Council and, to be fair, a number of Council officers, have already been raised. This latest fiasco only goes to confirm the suspicions are confirmed. The handling of this issue, and others like the Monk Stray debacle, has brought the good reputation of this fine city into disrepute and for that reason alone those involved should do the honorable thing and resign. This goes well beyond whether or not the trial closure of Lendal Bridge is a good idea - it cuts right into the core of how we are administered at a local level. Regardless of political persuasion we all have a right to be represented by competent, rational thinking individuals rather than dogma driven pseudo politicos who see pushing through policies to satisfy their own personal ambitions as more important that doing what is best for the city as a whole. Platform3
  • Score: 765

6:22pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

Dr Brian wrote:
I see the thumbs down man / woman has started!
Yes, the pathetic, idiotic moron !
[quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: I see the thumbs down man / woman has started![/p][/quote]Yes, the pathetic, idiotic moron ! Badgers Drift
  • Score: 1135

6:26pm Tue 1 Apr 14

jay, york says...

buzzy_bee wrote:
Interesting how comments which had a scoring 50+ thumbs up now have like 70 thumbs down. Would take at least 120 people to reverse it from +50 to - 70. Wouldn't surprise me if staff at the council have been instructed to come on here and mess with the scoring
Thats my theory too. - stands out a mile.So many voting against popular opion but they dont have anything to say - how strange.
There are so many new contributors speaking out now - the most important thing is for the comments to be made and read in the public domain.
Everyone now knows the CYC tactics, so lets just ignore them - after all they ignore us!!!
[quote][p][bold]buzzy_bee[/bold] wrote: Interesting how comments which had a scoring 50+ thumbs up now have like 70 thumbs down. Would take at least 120 people to reverse it from +50 to - 70. Wouldn't surprise me if staff at the council have been instructed to come on here and mess with the scoring[/p][/quote]Thats my theory too. - stands out a mile.So many voting against popular opion but they dont have anything to say - how strange. There are so many new contributors speaking out now - the most important thing is for the comments to be made and read in the public domain. Everyone now knows the CYC tactics, so lets just ignore them - after all they ignore us!!! jay, york
  • Score: 1002

6:27pm Tue 1 Apr 14

johnwill says...

Could someone post on here the address for claiming a refund, for the unlawfully imposed fines ?
Could someone post on here the address for claiming a refund, for the unlawfully imposed fines ? johnwill
  • Score: 939

6:30pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Cheeky face says...

Platform 3 has got it spot on.
Platform 3 has got it spot on. Cheeky face
  • Score: -360

6:37pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Knavesmire view says...

To sum up Look North:

Alexander is 'suprised'.

Richardson doesn't accept the decision and will continue to enforce fines while they seek legal advice.

Report also said that once a fine was paid that was case closed. I'd urge anyone who has been fined to challenge that one!!
To sum up Look North: Alexander is 'suprised'. Richardson doesn't accept the decision and will continue to enforce fines while they seek legal advice. Report also said that once a fine was paid that was case closed. I'd urge anyone who has been fined to challenge that one!! Knavesmire view
  • Score: 6644

6:38pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

buzzy_bee wrote:
Interesting how comments which had a scoring 50+ thumbs up now have like 70 thumbs down. Would take at least 120 people to reverse it from +50 to - 70. Wouldn't surprise me if staff at the council have been instructed to come on here and mess with the scoring
No, it's just one sad, pathetic cretin.

Last time I looked around 5.00pm, the top score was +84, followed by +81, +71. +65 and loads in ranges of + 30/40/50.

The number of comments speak for themselves, and they are almost unananimously agaist the council and Lendal Bridge trial/closure.

I just watched the council's live webcast of the cabinet meeting. Alexander had cowardly sloped off to a London event on HS2, and TSL chaired the proceedings. Lots of embarrassed faces, particularly Merrett and Richardson, who both looked and sounded sick. The council are in disrepute and they know it. I expect and predict a few more senior officers leaving the sinking ship very soon....
[quote][p][bold]buzzy_bee[/bold] wrote: Interesting how comments which had a scoring 50+ thumbs up now have like 70 thumbs down. Would take at least 120 people to reverse it from +50 to - 70. Wouldn't surprise me if staff at the council have been instructed to come on here and mess with the scoring[/p][/quote]No, it's just one sad, pathetic cretin. Last time I looked around 5.00pm, the top score was +84, followed by +81, +71. +65 and loads in ranges of + 30/40/50. The number of comments speak for themselves, and they are almost unananimously agaist the council and Lendal Bridge trial/closure. I just watched the council's live webcast of the cabinet meeting. Alexander had cowardly sloped off to a London event on HS2, and TSL chaired the proceedings. Lots of embarrassed faces, particularly Merrett and Richardson, who both looked and sounded sick. The council are in disrepute and they know it. I expect and predict a few more senior officers leaving the sinking ship very soon.... Badgers Drift
  • Score: 7762

6:44pm Tue 1 Apr 14

mary poppins21 says...

buzzy_bee wrote:
Further to my previous post, this scheme will have damaged tourism because those who have been fined will not return and they will probably have told others who will in turn decide to stay away from York.

This is a utter shambles and somebody needs to be accountable. In my view this has to be James Alexander and the transport cllr. They should act with integrity and resign immediately.
Alexander resign NOW
Come on citizens let's get him out can't we start a campaign
about bringing the council into disrepute
or with a no confidence vote?
[quote][p][bold]buzzy_bee[/bold] wrote: Further to my previous post, this scheme will have damaged tourism because those who have been fined will not return and they will probably have told others who will in turn decide to stay away from York. This is a utter shambles and somebody needs to be accountable. In my view this has to be James Alexander and the transport cllr. They should act with integrity and resign immediately.[/p][/quote]Alexander resign NOW Come on citizens let's get him out can't we start a campaign about bringing the council into disrepute or with a no confidence vote? mary poppins21
  • Score: 822

6:48pm Tue 1 Apr 14

bolero says...

And this is one of the host cities for the Tour de France;sorry farce. So soon this news will be broadcast all over the world and two names will stand out; ALEXANDER and MERRETT. The third one having dropped out,he couldn't make it up the hill; RICHARDSON.
And this is one of the host cities for the Tour de France;sorry farce. So soon this news will be broadcast all over the world and two names will stand out; ALEXANDER and MERRETT. The third one having dropped out,he couldn't make it up the hill; RICHARDSON. bolero
  • Score: 788

6:51pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Questionable taste says...

I can hear a whistling sound..... I think it maybe a bombshell about to land on the Labour Cabinet.

They say a good joke is all about timing, so the timing of this story coming out less than two weeks after the resignation of Darren Richardson is amazing. Presumably working at the Orkney Islands Council is far less stressful, no bridges to shutdown.
I can hear a whistling sound..... I think it maybe a bombshell about to land on the Labour Cabinet. They say a good joke is all about timing, so the timing of this story coming out less than two weeks after the resignation of Darren Richardson is amazing. Presumably working at the Orkney Islands Council is far less stressful, no bridges to shutdown. Questionable taste
  • Score: 341

7:09pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Whitecat says...

Next year we have council elections. Goodbye Mr Alexander and your cronies, hope you are totally destroyed at the ballot box. Unfortunately for Hugh Bailey there is a General Election next year and your Labour cronies have just destroyed any hope of you being elected as our MP next year which is a great pity
Next year we have council elections. Goodbye Mr Alexander and your cronies, hope you are totally destroyed at the ballot box. Unfortunately for Hugh Bailey there is a General Election next year and your Labour cronies have just destroyed any hope of you being elected as our MP next year which is a great pity Whitecat
  • Score: -231

7:10pm Tue 1 Apr 14

SteveSCA says...

Knavesmire view wrote:
To sum up Look North:

Alexander is 'suprised'.

Richardson doesn't accept the decision and will continue to enforce fines while they seek legal advice.

Report also said that once a fine was paid that was case closed. I'd urge anyone who has been fined to challenge that one!!
Yes, I saw Look North.

So they seek "independent legal advice", and find some tame lawyer who is prepared to deliver an opinion that supports the Council's case.

Then what?!

They take it court. And eventually it ends up back with the Traffic Adjudicator who, having already examined the issue in great detail, repeats the same ruling. As it says on the Traffic Penalty Tribunal website:
"The grounds for review on which an Adjudicator's decision may be challenged and reviewed are few and such instances are extremely rare."

So we're in exactly the same position. And the only person who's better off is the "independent lawyer".

"Report also said that once a fine was paid that was case closed. I'd urge anyone who has been fined to challenge that one!!"

Yes, I'd look to know where on earth the Look North reporter got that one from!!
[quote][p][bold]Knavesmire view[/bold] wrote: To sum up Look North: Alexander is 'suprised'. Richardson doesn't accept the decision and will continue to enforce fines while they seek legal advice. Report also said that once a fine was paid that was case closed. I'd urge anyone who has been fined to challenge that one!![/p][/quote]Yes, I saw Look North. So they seek "independent legal advice", and find some tame lawyer who is prepared to deliver an opinion that supports the Council's case. Then what?! They take it court. And eventually it ends up back with the Traffic Adjudicator who, having already examined the issue in great detail, repeats the same ruling. As it says on the Traffic Penalty Tribunal website: "The grounds for review on which an Adjudicator's decision may be challenged and reviewed are few and such instances are extremely rare." So we're in exactly the same position. And the only person who's better off is the "independent lawyer". "Report also said that once a fine was paid that was case closed. I'd urge anyone who has been fined to challenge that one!!" Yes, I'd look to know where on earth the Look North reporter got that one from!! SteveSCA
  • Score: -315

7:12pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Igiveinthen says...

Be very careful encouraging people to drive over Lendal Bridge and down Coppergate, Darren Richardson, the council's director of city and environmental services, said: “City of York Council is seeking independent legal advice in relation to the adjudicator’s decision on this specific appeal, and he stated on the Look North interview the PCN's will still be issued to anyone who contravenes the restricted times.
The whole job lot has been turned on its head and I hope, nay, prey that the idiots who tried to enforce this debacle are dealt with accordingly.

You can just imagine the panic in West Offices today, the scenario could have gone like this:

JA "Dave come to my office NOW"
DM "On my way leader"
JA "what on earth have you done?, restricting the traffic and fining all those poor motorists for crossing Lendal Bridge and going down Coppergate"
DM "What do mean leader, 'what have I done' it was nothing to do with me, it was all Kristen's idea"
JA "Nice one Dave, we just might get away with this if we stick to that story"
Be very careful encouraging people to drive over Lendal Bridge and down Coppergate, Darren Richardson, the council's director of city and environmental services, said: “City of York Council is seeking independent legal advice in relation to the adjudicator’s decision on this specific appeal, and he stated on the Look North interview the PCN's will still be issued to anyone who contravenes the restricted times. The whole job lot has been turned on its head and I hope, nay, prey that the idiots who tried to enforce this debacle are dealt with accordingly. You can just imagine the panic in West Offices today, the scenario could have gone like this: JA "Dave come to my office NOW" DM "On my way leader" JA "what on earth have you done?, restricting the traffic and fining all those poor motorists for crossing Lendal Bridge and going down Coppergate" DM "What do mean leader, 'what have I done' it was nothing to do with me, it was all Kristen's idea" JA "Nice one Dave, we just might get away with this if we stick to that story" Igiveinthen
  • Score: -213

7:15pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Igiveinthen says...

Justin7 wrote:
This is a terrible decision, made just a day after the UN report that global warming is going to result in the country being entirely flooded in the next decade until we stop driving petrol cars.

Merrit is a hero for trying to save this city from the tragic horror that could happen to our city with cars everywhere.

Protect York. Make it entirely petrol vehicle free!
Obviously a mate of jake777
[quote][p][bold]Justin7[/bold] wrote: This is a terrible decision, made just a day after the UN report that global warming is going to result in the country being entirely flooded in the next decade until we stop driving petrol cars. Merrit is a hero for trying to save this city from the tragic horror that could happen to our city with cars everywhere. Protect York. Make it entirely petrol vehicle free![/p][/quote]Obviously a mate of jake777 Igiveinthen
  • Score: -277

7:18pm Tue 1 Apr 14

courier46 says...

Woody G Mellor wrote:
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RESIGN!
Thanks,that`s what i was going to do Lol.
IDIOTS IN CHARGE out next year!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Woody G Mellor[/bold] wrote: Dear Idiot Councillor Merrett, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa,Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, Ha haa haa haa, RESIGN![/p][/quote]Thanks,that`s what i was going to do Lol. IDIOTS IN CHARGE out next year!!!!! courier46
  • Score: -320

7:22pm Tue 1 Apr 14

courier46 says...

Igiveinthen wrote:
Justin7 wrote:
This is a terrible decision, made just a day after the UN report that global warming is going to result in the country being entirely flooded in the next decade until we stop driving petrol cars.

Merrit is a hero for trying to save this city from the tragic horror that could happen to our city with cars everywhere.

Protect York. Make it entirely petrol vehicle free!
Obviously a mate of jake777
****!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Justin7[/bold] wrote: This is a terrible decision, made just a day after the UN report that global warming is going to result in the country being entirely flooded in the next decade until we stop driving petrol cars. Merrit is a hero for trying to save this city from the tragic horror that could happen to our city with cars everywhere. Protect York. Make it entirely petrol vehicle free![/p][/quote]Obviously a mate of jake777[/p][/quote]****!!!!! courier46
  • Score: -255

7:27pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Igiveinthen says...

Justin7 wrote:
So I hear the Tory PR machine have been asking their goons to each sign up 50 accounts to this Press and vote spam and comment spam this site.

Sad, sad Tories.

Ed Milliband is going to take you all out of power and save this country from a climate disaster!
Told you he was a mate of jake777
[quote][p][bold]Justin7[/bold] wrote: So I hear the Tory PR machine have been asking their goons to each sign up 50 accounts to this Press and vote spam and comment spam this site. Sad, sad Tories. Ed Milliband is going to take you all out of power and save this country from a climate disaster![/p][/quote]Told you he was a mate of jake777 Igiveinthen
  • Score: -308

7:32pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Stroppiness says...

The report makes very interesting reading.

CofYC do have the ability to place the restrictions on Coppergate and Lendal Bridge - however, in order for PCNs to be issued and enforced, cameras cannot be used, UNLESS it is a bus lane. Clearly CofYC knew this given the ridiculous "bus lane" that they created on the Station side of the bridge.

However, they used idiots, whether in house or contractors, to advise on the definition of a bus lane. When you look at exceptions, both Coppergate and Lendal Bridge are no more bus lanes than the drive thru KFC at Clifton Moor!

Then, the Council have the issue of the siting of the signs on Coppergate and the bus lane at Lendal Bridge - the report holds both wholly inadequate. Any charges issued from now on will have to be cancelled by CofYC otherwise they may fins themselves in very deep legal hot water.

I have voted Labour all my life. This lot are an embarrassment to the party and God alone knows who I'll vote for next year. Hugh Bayley - you need to have a word with your leader and get this shower well and truly subdued because they are doing your chance of re-election next year a whole heap of damage.

I think I may now go and look at the criteria for a formal complaint to the Local Goverment Ombudsman...........
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The report makes very interesting reading. CofYC do have the ability to place the restrictions on Coppergate and Lendal Bridge - however, in order for PCNs to be issued and enforced, cameras cannot be used, UNLESS it is a bus lane. Clearly CofYC knew this given the ridiculous "bus lane" that they created on the Station side of the bridge. However, they used idiots, whether in house or contractors, to advise on the definition of a bus lane. When you look at exceptions, both Coppergate and Lendal Bridge are no more bus lanes than the drive thru KFC at Clifton Moor! Then, the Council have the issue of the siting of the signs on Coppergate and the bus lane at Lendal Bridge - the report holds both wholly inadequate. Any charges issued from now on will have to be cancelled by CofYC otherwise they may fins themselves in very deep legal hot water. I have voted Labour all my life. This lot are an embarrassment to the party and God alone knows who I'll vote for next year. Hugh Bayley - you need to have a word with your leader and get this shower well and truly subdued because they are doing your chance of re-election next year a whole heap of damage. I think I may now go and look at the criteria for a formal complaint to the Local Goverment Ombudsman........... .................... .................... ..... Stroppiness
  • Score: -271

7:36pm Tue 1 Apr 14

buzzy_bee says...

"The Labour spokesman said: "Calls for Labour councillors to resign is what we expect from our Conservative and Liberal Democrat opposition."

Actually you'll probably find it is many York constituents who are calling for the resignations given that this fiasco will cost the taxpayer a substantial amount of money. This is money that could have been spent on needed services but it has been wasted. Heads must roll. York residents deserve a better local government that the competence we have witnessed.
"The Labour spokesman said: "Calls for Labour councillors to resign is what we expect from our Conservative and Liberal Democrat opposition." Actually you'll probably find it is many York constituents who are calling for the resignations given that this fiasco will cost the taxpayer a substantial amount of money. This is money that could have been spent on needed services but it has been wasted. Heads must roll. York residents deserve a better local government that the competence we have witnessed. buzzy_bee
  • Score: -222

7:37pm Tue 1 Apr 14

buzzy_bee says...

*incompetence
*incompetence buzzy_bee
  • Score: -324

7:41pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Marathongirl says...

I thought this was an April Fools but then I realised it was just an unlucky day for CofYC
I thought this was an April Fools but then I realised it was just an unlucky day for CofYC Marathongirl
  • Score: -256

7:41pm Tue 1 Apr 14

George Smiley says...

Further proof, not that we need any, that those entrusted with the power to run York are NOT fit for purpose. I expect sackings and resignations over this shambolic and undemocratic closure of Lendal Bridge. We have just witnessed the incompetence of York City Council. Incompetence on a scale never before witnessed in the history of this great city.
Further proof, not that we need any, that those entrusted with the power to run York are NOT fit for purpose. I expect sackings and resignations over this shambolic and undemocratic closure of Lendal Bridge. We have just witnessed the incompetence of York City Council. Incompetence on a scale never before witnessed in the history of this great city. George Smiley
  • Score: -204

7:48pm Tue 1 Apr 14

acomblass says...

And if you think this is the end....just take a look at www.
whatdotheyknow to see whatr else is likely to hit the proverbial fan!
And if you think this is the end....just take a look at www. whatdotheyknow to see whatr else is likely to hit the proverbial fan! acomblass
  • Score: -361

7:48pm Tue 1 Apr 14

D_Wolf says...

Resign now Mr Merrett, and take Mr Alexander with you!
Resign now Mr Merrett, and take Mr Alexander with you! D_Wolf
  • Score: -201

7:53pm Tue 1 Apr 14

barnaby63 says...

Solicitor Nick Freeman aka 'Mr Loophole' has just tweeted recommending everyone fined writes to the council and requests a refund.

https://twitter.com/
TheMrLoophole/status
/451044646719070208

"I would strongly urge all of the 53,000 motorists to contact @CityofYork by letter requesting a refund of their money. #LendalBridge #York"
Solicitor Nick Freeman aka 'Mr Loophole' has just tweeted recommending everyone fined writes to the council and requests a refund. https://twitter.com/ TheMrLoophole/status /451044646719070208 "I would strongly urge all of the 53,000 motorists to contact @CityofYork by letter requesting a refund of their money. #LendalBridge #York" barnaby63
  • Score: -111

8:02pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Questionable taste says...

Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
This is no April Fools joke. But, it's still not clear whether or not you'll get a fine for crossing Lendal Bridge from today. It needs clarifying straight away.
You're right. The other political parties don't do themselves favours either with their dumb trolling. Sheffield residents and visitors have had the same issues with bus lanes and tram gates, the legal ins and outs went on for years and did a lot of damage to the reputation of the Council. Really the Cabinet should bite the bullet, stop the scheme and have a major rethink on the consultation and implementation. Personally I think the scheme is a great idea and it is so nice to experience an unclogged Lendal. However due to the woeful nature of both the consultation and implementation processes the idea is worthless.
[quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: This is no April Fools joke. But, it's still not clear whether or not you'll get a fine for crossing Lendal Bridge from today. It needs clarifying straight away.[/p][/quote]You're right. The other political parties don't do themselves favours either with their dumb trolling. Sheffield residents and visitors have had the same issues with bus lanes and tram gates, the legal ins and outs went on for years and did a lot of damage to the reputation of the Council. Really the Cabinet should bite the bullet, stop the scheme and have a major rethink on the consultation and implementation. Personally I think the scheme is a great idea and it is so nice to experience an unclogged Lendal. However due to the woeful nature of both the consultation and implementation processes the idea is worthless. Questionable taste
  • Score: -211

8:06pm Tue 1 Apr 14

ZachCohen says...

So my comment has been deleted. I don't know why as I didn't insult anyone or use profane language.
All I said was.
Alexander must do some serious apologies for the mess his administration had got York into. This is for the sake of the other labour councillors who do some good work in their areas. He is pushing away natural labour voters like me.
And Merritt should resign. He is the poster boy for this fiasco. Even if he only resigns his post of transport guru until next year. Either way how can we trust him with any further decisions on transport?
So my comment has been deleted. I don't know why as I didn't insult anyone or use profane language. All I said was. Alexander must do some serious apologies for the mess his administration had got York into. This is for the sake of the other labour councillors who do some good work in their areas. He is pushing away natural labour voters like me. And Merritt should resign. He is the poster boy for this fiasco. Even if he only resigns his post of transport guru until next year. Either way how can we trust him with any further decisions on transport? ZachCohen
  • Score: -156

8:12pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Paul Hepworth says...

Dr Brian wrote:
Just been watching the Council web cast live on internet TSL would not let one member discuss the Lendal Bridge issue Tyical. Orwell must have meant this lot when he coined the phrase nonspeak (or whatever it was!)
You have unfortunately misinterpreted what you saw. I was at the Cabinet Meeting as a registered speaker on another Agenda topic. The lady was also registered to speak on yet another topic, viz York's bid to become a UNESCO City. She started on track but then veered off to talk about Lendal Bridge. Regardless of her sincerity she was not following protocol and the Chair correctly stopped her. Having had her permitted three minutes, she came back for another go during the Chair's summing up, and the meeting was quite properly suspended for a few minutes.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: Just been watching the Council web cast live on internet TSL would not let one member discuss the Lendal Bridge issue Tyical. Orwell must have meant this lot when he coined the phrase nonspeak (or whatever it was!)[/p][/quote]You have unfortunately misinterpreted what you saw. I was at the Cabinet Meeting as a registered speaker on another Agenda topic. The lady was also registered to speak on yet another topic, viz York's bid to become a UNESCO City. She started on track but then veered off to talk about Lendal Bridge. Regardless of her sincerity she was not following protocol and the Chair correctly stopped her. Having had her permitted three minutes, she came back for another go during the Chair's summing up, and the meeting was quite properly suspended for a few minutes. Paul Hepworth
  • Score: -5912

8:17pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Knavesmire view says...

ZachCohen wrote:
So my comment has been deleted. I don't know why as I didn't insult anyone or use profane language.
All I said was.
Alexander must do some serious apologies for the mess his administration had got York into. This is for the sake of the other labour councillors who do some good work in their areas. He is pushing away natural labour voters like me.
And Merritt should resign. He is the poster boy for this fiasco. Even if he only resigns his post of transport guru until next year. Either way how can we trust him with any further decisions on transport?
My post at 7.30 has been deleted too, and I didn't use insulting or profane language either.

This is a complete and utter mess.

The trial continues despite the fact the 'trial' finished a month ago.

At least we know Labour will be finished in York come 2015!
[quote][p][bold]ZachCohen[/bold] wrote: So my comment has been deleted. I don't know why as I didn't insult anyone or use profane language. All I said was. Alexander must do some serious apologies for the mess his administration had got York into. This is for the sake of the other labour councillors who do some good work in their areas. He is pushing away natural labour voters like me. And Merritt should resign. He is the poster boy for this fiasco. Even if he only resigns his post of transport guru until next year. Either way how can we trust him with any further decisions on transport?[/p][/quote]My post at 7.30 has been deleted too, and I didn't use insulting or profane language either. This is a complete and utter mess. The trial continues despite the fact the 'trial' finished a month ago. At least we know Labour will be finished in York come 2015! Knavesmire view
  • Score: -331

8:22pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Daname says...

Matt RSJ wrote:
Did anyone just see the calendar report when lisa adlam was at the bottom of Lendal opposite Yorkshire House/Norwich Union.

A cyclist was just getting off her bike after heading the wrong way on the wrong side of the road.

And someone said cyclists weren't a liability. Wonder if I can get away with driving down the wrong side of the road...
A few weeks ago I was driving towards Haxby on the outer ring road and I passed a cyclist going in the same direction as me. However, he was on the wrong side of the road, not holding the handlebars, and clearly oblivious to the brand new cycle path that has just recently been constructed. Another cyclist with no regard to other roadusers riding alongside yet another waste of money by CYC. Wonder if I can get away with driving down the cycle path in rush hour......
[quote][p][bold]Matt RSJ[/bold] wrote: Did anyone just see the calendar report when lisa adlam was at the bottom of Lendal opposite Yorkshire House/Norwich Union. A cyclist was just getting off her bike after heading the wrong way on the wrong side of the road. And someone said cyclists weren't a liability. Wonder if I can get away with driving down the wrong side of the road...[/p][/quote]A few weeks ago I was driving towards Haxby on the outer ring road and I passed a cyclist going in the same direction as me. However, he was on the wrong side of the road, not holding the handlebars, and clearly oblivious to the brand new cycle path that has just recently been constructed. Another cyclist with no regard to other roadusers riding alongside yet another waste of money by CYC. Wonder if I can get away with driving down the cycle path in rush hour...... Daname
  • Score: -146

8:23pm Tue 1 Apr 14

alky-wtf says...

Watch out for the next wheeze - bus lane enforcement going into the Park & Rides. They were installing some sort of traffic detection system at Rawcliffe yesterday. Today lots of new paint declaring that it is a bus lane.
Watch out for the next wheeze - bus lane enforcement going into the Park & Rides. They were installing some sort of traffic detection system at Rawcliffe yesterday. Today lots of new paint declaring that it is a bus lane. alky-wtf
  • Score: -327

8:24pm Tue 1 Apr 14

vax2002 says...

The parking adjudicate is the highest legal chamber of authority in the country on the legalities of the traffic management act.
Just who exactly are the council going to seek legal advice from.
The solicitor who did his aunts will ?
They have been told they are breaking the law, they say they will carry on.

Why are the council allowed to break the law and nobody can be brought to account,.
Are they ABOVE our laws ?
Where is Nick pickles on this ?
Where are the police, why are the people at the council who state they will continue to break the law not under arrest for Misconduct In Public Office ?
definition of the offence of Misconduct in public office:
Misconduct in public office is an offence at common law triable only on indictment. It carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment. It is an offence confined to those who are public office holders and is committed when the office holder acts (or fails to act) in a way that constitutes a breach of the duties of that office.

Why is the law been ignored ?
A bit of money over rules the law now ?

Enough, arrest them now !
The parking adjudicate is the highest legal chamber of authority in the country on the legalities of the traffic management act. Just who exactly are the council going to seek legal advice from. The solicitor who did his aunts will ? They have been told they are breaking the law, they say they will carry on. Why are the council allowed to break the law and nobody can be brought to account,. Are they ABOVE our laws ? Where is Nick pickles on this ? Where are the police, why are the people at the council who state they will continue to break the law not under arrest for Misconduct In Public Office ? definition of the offence of Misconduct in public office: Misconduct in public office is an offence at common law triable only on indictment. It carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment. It is an offence confined to those who are public office holders and is committed when the office holder acts (or fails to act) in a way that constitutes a breach of the duties of that office. Why is the law been ignored ? A bit of money over rules the law now ? Enough, arrest them now ! vax2002
  • Score: -234

8:25pm Tue 1 Apr 14

peter123456 says...

Now we need to sort out the 20mph restriction zones around nearly every area in York as they not only cause more Congestion for drivers and Pollution to residents,
Reducing the speed limit to 20mph in all residential streets does not significantly improve road safety, an official report has revealed.
Towns around the country are planning to introduce the limit in the belief that lower speeds save lives.
However, analysis of the first citywide scheme in Portsmouth has shown the number of people killed or seriously injured actually increased after the speed limit was reduced from 30mph.
I supose York City Council will also turn a blind eye to this report too.
Now we need to sort out the 20mph restriction zones around nearly every area in York as they not only cause more Congestion for drivers and Pollution to residents, Reducing the speed limit to 20mph in all residential streets does not significantly improve road safety, an official report has revealed. Towns around the country are planning to introduce the limit in the belief that lower speeds save lives. However, analysis of the first citywide scheme in Portsmouth has shown the number of people killed or seriously injured actually increased after the speed limit was reduced from 30mph. I supose York City Council will also turn a blind eye to this report too. peter123456
  • Score: -270

8:29pm Tue 1 Apr 14

peter123456 says...

Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.
Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane. peter123456
  • Score: -194

8:30pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Geoffers says...

Be careful how you knock Jimmy A!
He will lose his attraction to the Labour Party as a future MP and we will be stuck with him!
Be careful how you knock Jimmy A! He will lose his attraction to the Labour Party as a future MP and we will be stuck with him! Geoffers
  • Score: -308

8:31pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Somebody mentioned here that Colchester council had also tried this on and come unstuck. It's true, see here
http://notomob.co.uk
/discussions/index.p
hp/topic,3141.0.html
Somebody mentioned here that Colchester council had also tried this on and come unstuck. It's true, see here http://notomob.co.uk /discussions/index.p hp/topic,3141.0.html Pinza-C55
  • Score: -283

8:39pm Tue 1 Apr 14

jumbojet says...

If this was unlawful, what needs to be done to make it lawful? all the idiots in the council must have taken some advice, we are an ancient City, it's not the first restriction ever applied to any of our roads.
How do one way streets work, LAWFULLY, how do restricted hours into the City centre work, LAWFULLY? anyone would think that, as a City, we were introducing some event new to the 21st Century.
We, as humans, need less pollution within our City centre, and I would like to see some effort made to achieve that, which would include all fat, lazy, lumps sat in motor cars, taking to their feet now and again.
If this was unlawful, what needs to be done to make it lawful? all the idiots in the council must have taken some advice, we are an ancient City, it's not the first restriction ever applied to any of our roads. How do one way streets work, LAWFULLY, how do restricted hours into the City centre work, LAWFULLY? anyone would think that, as a City, we were introducing some event new to the 21st Century. We, as humans, need less pollution within our City centre, and I would like to see some effort made to achieve that, which would include all fat, lazy, lumps sat in motor cars, taking to their feet now and again. jumbojet
  • Score: -312

8:42pm Tue 1 Apr 14

El Clinton says...

Although I wasn't totally against the restrictions in principal, it has been handled terribly by a council that have continued to ride roughshod over the residents of York. Stifling debate, ignoring the opinion of residents and doing seemingly what the hell they like, when they like. From the closure of Beckfield Lane tip, to removing litter bins to spending thousands on 20 mph sign, they have been a disgrace and I'm glad to see some come uppance.

I do wonder too what Mr Bayley thinks. I wrote to him over a year ago to outline my concerns that the behaviour of Alexander and co would have a detrimental effect on his party, his reply then was dismissive but nobody can deny now that the council have been shown up for what they are.
Although I wasn't totally against the restrictions in principal, it has been handled terribly by a council that have continued to ride roughshod over the residents of York. Stifling debate, ignoring the opinion of residents and doing seemingly what the hell they like, when they like. From the closure of Beckfield Lane tip, to removing litter bins to spending thousands on 20 mph sign, they have been a disgrace and I'm glad to see some come uppance. I do wonder too what Mr Bayley thinks. I wrote to him over a year ago to outline my concerns that the behaviour of Alexander and co would have a detrimental effect on his party, his reply then was dismissive but nobody can deny now that the council have been shown up for what they are. El Clinton
  • Score: -179

8:52pm Tue 1 Apr 14

What-a-joke-they-are says...

the original Homer wrote:
Justin7 wrote:
This is a terrible decision, made just a day after the UN report that global warming is going to result in the country being entirely flooded in the next decade until we stop driving petrol cars.

Merrit is a hero for trying to save this city from the tragic horror that could happen to our city with cars everywhere.

Protect York. Make it entirely petrol vehicle free!
The bridge restrictions mean cars have to drive further, causing more pollution, and more flooding.
This is not about petrol driven cars just cars

Has no one noticed that when we all drive ze cars there will
Still be gridlock - and no one paying road tax.

Soon enought car tax has to increase on low and no emission cars otherwise well have no income to fix the potholes ( joke intended)
[quote][p][bold]the original Homer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Justin7[/bold] wrote: This is a terrible decision, made just a day after the UN report that global warming is going to result in the country being entirely flooded in the next decade until we stop driving petrol cars. Merrit is a hero for trying to save this city from the tragic horror that could happen to our city with cars everywhere. Protect York. Make it entirely petrol vehicle free![/p][/quote]The bridge restrictions mean cars have to drive further, causing more pollution, and more flooding.[/p][/quote]This is not about petrol driven cars just cars Has no one noticed that when we all drive ze cars there will Still be gridlock - and no one paying road tax. Soon enought car tax has to increase on low and no emission cars otherwise well have no income to fix the potholes ( joke intended) What-a-joke-they-are
  • Score: -279

8:52pm Tue 1 Apr 14

mutley12321 says...

Knavesmire view wrote:
ZachCohen wrote:
So my comment has been deleted. I don't know why as I didn't insult anyone or use profane language.
All I said was.
Alexander must do some serious apologies for the mess his administration had got York into. This is for the sake of the other labour councillors who do some good work in their areas. He is pushing away natural labour voters like me.
And Merritt should resign. He is the poster boy for this fiasco. Even if he only resigns his post of transport guru until next year. Either way how can we trust him with any further decisions on transport?
My post at 7.30 has been deleted too, and I didn't use insulting or profane language either.

This is a complete and utter mess.

The trial continues despite the fact the 'trial' finished a month ago.

At least we know Labour will be finished in York come 2015!
Hello Knavesmire View.

Please don't hold your breath waiting for an answer from a politician, you'll be waiting too long.
[quote][p][bold]Knavesmire view[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZachCohen[/bold] wrote: So my comment has been deleted. I don't know why as I didn't insult anyone or use profane language. All I said was. Alexander must do some serious apologies for the mess his administration had got York into. This is for the sake of the other labour councillors who do some good work in their areas. He is pushing away natural labour voters like me. And Merritt should resign. He is the poster boy for this fiasco. Even if he only resigns his post of transport guru until next year. Either way how can we trust him with any further decisions on transport?[/p][/quote]My post at 7.30 has been deleted too, and I didn't use insulting or profane language either. This is a complete and utter mess. The trial continues despite the fact the 'trial' finished a month ago. At least we know Labour will be finished in York come 2015![/p][/quote]Hello Knavesmire View. Please don't hold your breath waiting for an answer from a politician, you'll be waiting too long. mutley12321
  • Score: -198

8:54pm Tue 1 Apr 14

strangebuttrue? says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Councillors and the Officers who advise them have been let down by some very poor DVLA advice re the use of a "yellow card!" first warning." The road signage will doubtless be found to be fully DfT compliant. For now we must await the outcome of any legal appeal by CoYC against the view of one official.
That must be coupled with the forthcoming independent Report on the trial scheme, by the Leeds University-based Institute of Transport Studies. Provided that this becomes public domain at the same time as it is is delivered to CoYC, we can all presumably accept its findings, whatever those might be.
No Paul we will only accept the findings of our own experiences. One of the main reasons for this being that the council have not been particular truthful about this whole scheme and it is they who must have requested the report and we all know that reports like this always favour the views of the people who asked for them.

I would think that the majority of York residents no longer have any respect for this council and are not in the least bit interested in the report. Ok we will have another laugh at the council if the report by some miracle does not support the closure but it is just about as meaningless as everything else the council has had to say on this matter including the fines it has unlawfully levied and which it says it will continue to illegally dish out!!

In some respects I feel sorry for the majority of councillors and council employees who are being made to look so silly by one man and his haltered of cars.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Councillors and the Officers who advise them have been let down by some very poor DVLA advice re the use of a "yellow card!" first warning." The road signage will doubtless be found to be fully DfT compliant. For now we must await the outcome of any legal appeal by CoYC against the view of one official. That must be coupled with the forthcoming independent Report on the trial scheme, by the Leeds University-based Institute of Transport Studies. Provided that this becomes public domain at the same time as it is is delivered to CoYC, we can all presumably accept its findings, whatever those might be.[/p][/quote]No Paul we will only accept the findings of our own experiences. One of the main reasons for this being that the council have not been particular truthful about this whole scheme and it is they who must have requested the report and we all know that reports like this always favour the views of the people who asked for them. I would think that the majority of York residents no longer have any respect for this council and are not in the least bit interested in the report. Ok we will have another laugh at the council if the report by some miracle does not support the closure but it is just about as meaningless as everything else the council has had to say on this matter including the fines it has unlawfully levied and which it says it will continue to illegally dish out!! In some respects I feel sorry for the majority of councillors and council employees who are being made to look so silly by one man and his haltered of cars. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -337

8:56pm Tue 1 Apr 14

mutley12321 says...

El Clinton wrote:
Although I wasn't totally against the restrictions in principal, it has been handled terribly by a council that have continued to ride roughshod over the residents of York. Stifling debate, ignoring the opinion of residents and doing seemingly what the hell they like, when they like. From the closure of Beckfield Lane tip, to removing litter bins to spending thousands on 20 mph sign, they have been a disgrace and I'm glad to see some come uppance.

I do wonder too what Mr Bayley thinks. I wrote to him over a year ago to outline my concerns that the behaviour of Alexander and co would have a detrimental effect on his party, his reply then was dismissive but nobody can deny now that the council have been shown up for what they are.
Sir/Madam,

You it the nail squarely on the the head.

Good idea in principle, shockingly badly admistered in practice.

Regards.

Mutt
[quote][p][bold]El Clinton[/bold] wrote: Although I wasn't totally against the restrictions in principal, it has been handled terribly by a council that have continued to ride roughshod over the residents of York. Stifling debate, ignoring the opinion of residents and doing seemingly what the hell they like, when they like. From the closure of Beckfield Lane tip, to removing litter bins to spending thousands on 20 mph sign, they have been a disgrace and I'm glad to see some come uppance. I do wonder too what Mr Bayley thinks. I wrote to him over a year ago to outline my concerns that the behaviour of Alexander and co would have a detrimental effect on his party, his reply then was dismissive but nobody can deny now that the council have been shown up for what they are.[/p][/quote]Sir/Madam, You it the nail squarely on the the head. Good idea in principle, shockingly badly admistered in practice. Regards. Mutt mutley12321
  • Score: -203

8:57pm Tue 1 Apr 14

mmarshal says...

Looks like Councillor Merrett may have finally been brought back to planet earth.
It's a pity that York's council tax payers will be the ones who ultimately pick up the bill for this fiasco.
Perhaps Alexander, Merrett and company could have a whip round and repay any losses out of their own pockets?
A deathly hush was the reply.
Looks like Councillor Merrett may have finally been brought back to planet earth. It's a pity that York's council tax payers will be the ones who ultimately pick up the bill for this fiasco. Perhaps Alexander, Merrett and company could have a whip round and repay any losses out of their own pockets? A deathly hush was the reply. mmarshal
  • Score: -260

9:00pm Tue 1 Apr 14

pitclose says...

We moved to North Yorkshire a few months ago and I got caught out on one very dark evening in February,this being the first time I had driven through the city.

I received a PCN as a drove through Coppergate 18 mins before the 7pm cut off

I made an appeal to the YCC pointing out that this was not a bus lane but a restricted access road therefore they had no right to use ANPR cameras

I got my appeal result back yesterday and they rejected my appeal because they clearly believe this is a bus lane and not a restricted access road.

I was pleased by the findings released today and as a result of that I have now made an appeal to the Park Adjudicator despite YCC pointing out this is my last opportunity to pay £30 and not £60 should I lose my appeal.

Well YCC I will take my chance
We moved to North Yorkshire a few months ago and I got caught out on one very dark evening in February,this being the first time I had driven through the city. I received a PCN as a drove through Coppergate 18 mins before the 7pm cut off I made an appeal to the YCC pointing out that this was not a bus lane but a restricted access road therefore they had no right to use ANPR cameras I got my appeal result back yesterday and they rejected my appeal because they clearly believe this is a bus lane and not a restricted access road. I was pleased by the findings released today and as a result of that I have now made an appeal to the Park Adjudicator despite YCC pointing out this is my last opportunity to pay £30 and not £60 should I lose my appeal. Well YCC I will take my chance pitclose
  • Score: -125

9:03pm Tue 1 Apr 14

mutley12321 says...

pitclose wrote:
We moved to North Yorkshire a few months ago and I got caught out on one very dark evening in February,this being the first time I had driven through the city.

I received a PCN as a drove through Coppergate 18 mins before the 7pm cut off

I made an appeal to the YCC pointing out that this was not a bus lane but a restricted access road therefore they had no right to use ANPR cameras

I got my appeal result back yesterday and they rejected my appeal because they clearly believe this is a bus lane and not a restricted access road.

I was pleased by the findings released today and as a result of that I have now made an appeal to the Park Adjudicator despite YCC pointing out this is my last opportunity to pay £30 and not £60 should I lose my appeal.

Well YCC I will take my chance
Evening Pitclose,

You must appeal. Take your time, google appropriate "words" and see how you can win.

Regards,

Mutt
[quote][p][bold]pitclose[/bold] wrote: We moved to North Yorkshire a few months ago and I got caught out on one very dark evening in February,this being the first time I had driven through the city. I received a PCN as a drove through Coppergate 18 mins before the 7pm cut off I made an appeal to the YCC pointing out that this was not a bus lane but a restricted access road therefore they had no right to use ANPR cameras I got my appeal result back yesterday and they rejected my appeal because they clearly believe this is a bus lane and not a restricted access road. I was pleased by the findings released today and as a result of that I have now made an appeal to the Park Adjudicator despite YCC pointing out this is my last opportunity to pay £30 and not £60 should I lose my appeal. Well YCC I will take my chance[/p][/quote]Evening Pitclose, You must appeal. Take your time, google appropriate "words" and see how you can win. Regards, Mutt mutley12321
  • Score: -196

9:04pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Starboard22 says...

Made my day......clowns!
Made my day......clowns! Starboard22
  • Score: -355

9:05pm Tue 1 Apr 14

What-a-joke-they-are says...

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-england-yor
k-north-yorkshire-26
841421

this council is a national disgrace
http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-yor k-north-yorkshire-26 841421 this council is a national disgrace What-a-joke-they-are
  • Score: -354

9:22pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Silver says...

Well it's time to play CYC roulette.....which person gets thrown to the wolves. Last time it was Merrett despite the emails saying they didn't. So lets play JA roulette, smart bets it'll be Darren Richardson (Not his pet project but he's secured a future elsewhere)
Well it's time to play CYC roulette.....which person gets thrown to the wolves. Last time it was Merrett despite the emails saying they didn't. So lets play JA roulette, smart bets it'll be Darren Richardson (Not his pet project but he's secured a future elsewhere) Silver
  • Score: -276

9:28pm Tue 1 Apr 14

courier46 says...

peter123456 wrote:
Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.
It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras.
Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it
[quote][p][bold]peter123456[/bold] wrote: Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.[/p][/quote]It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras. Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it courier46
  • Score: -298

9:35pm Tue 1 Apr 14

openallhours says...

pitclose wrote:
We moved to North Yorkshire a few months ago and I got caught out on one very dark evening in February,this being the first time I had driven through the city.

I received a PCN as a drove through Coppergate 18 mins before the 7pm cut off

I made an appeal to the YCC pointing out that this was not a bus lane but a restricted access road therefore they had no right to use ANPR cameras

I got my appeal result back yesterday and they rejected my appeal because they clearly believe this is a bus lane and not a restricted access road.

I was pleased by the findings released today and as a result of that I have now made an appeal to the Park Adjudicator despite YCC pointing out this is my last opportunity to pay £30 and not £60 should I lose my appeal.

Well YCC I will take my chance
Hi pitclose, I received a PCN for driving along Coppergate in December and the council rejected my appeal. I then appealed to the Tribunal and their decision came back last week. They ruled that the penalty was invalid as the council did not provide any evidence, nor did they communicate with the Tribunal in any way. Whilst I'm relieved that there is now no fine to pay, it's no compensation for the time I had to spend on the matter, thanks to the council.
[quote][p][bold]pitclose[/bold] wrote: We moved to North Yorkshire a few months ago and I got caught out on one very dark evening in February,this being the first time I had driven through the city. I received a PCN as a drove through Coppergate 18 mins before the 7pm cut off I made an appeal to the YCC pointing out that this was not a bus lane but a restricted access road therefore they had no right to use ANPR cameras I got my appeal result back yesterday and they rejected my appeal because they clearly believe this is a bus lane and not a restricted access road. I was pleased by the findings released today and as a result of that I have now made an appeal to the Park Adjudicator despite YCC pointing out this is my last opportunity to pay £30 and not £60 should I lose my appeal. Well YCC I will take my chance[/p][/quote]Hi pitclose, I received a PCN for driving along Coppergate in December and the council rejected my appeal. I then appealed to the Tribunal and their decision came back last week. They ruled that the penalty was invalid as the council did not provide any evidence, nor did they communicate with the Tribunal in any way. Whilst I'm relieved that there is now no fine to pay, it's no compensation for the time I had to spend on the matter, thanks to the council. openallhours
  • Score: -275

9:53pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

The Great Buda wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: So far there are 67 comments, with only five having -ve scores. The first fifteen scores are as follows:- All + 39, 25, 58, 37, 55, 40, 47, 28, 25, 28, 39, 46, 30, 29, & 26 This reflects the true sentiment of readers, but, after 5.30pm the pathetic imbecile who hacks the scores will no doubt skew the results.
Noooo surely the council have their crack team with their cookie cleaner ready to jump into action and save the day!
No doubt the shill does it from their own home, so no potential 'whistleblower' can catch them at it.
Or alternatively it's some 13 year old who thinks it's pretty hilarious to see everyone on here get stressed at the "destruction of democracy". But no, of course your conspiracy scenario is *far* more likely...
It ain't no 13-year old - they have far better things to do with their time. Plus, they wouldn't target just council related stuff.
You couldn't make the paranoia up haha Well know one thing. There is someone at home wetting themselves at your bluster on this. Until people stop biting it won't stop. But fair play to them, if they can get you riled up then their work is successful.
The only person who is getting wet is you...... you drip !
No need to sling insults around Badger. Thats what got you banned the first three times.
*Three* times??!
And the rest!
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: So far there are 67 comments, with only five having -ve scores. The first fifteen scores are as follows:- All + 39, 25, 58, 37, 55, 40, 47, 28, 25, 28, 39, 46, 30, 29, & 26 This reflects the true sentiment of readers, but, after 5.30pm the pathetic imbecile who hacks the scores will no doubt skew the results.[/p][/quote]Noooo surely the council have their crack team with their cookie cleaner ready to jump into action and save the day![/p][/quote]No doubt the shill does it from their own home, so no potential 'whistleblower' can catch them at it.[/p][/quote]Or alternatively it's some 13 year old who thinks it's pretty hilarious to see everyone on here get stressed at the "destruction of democracy". But no, of course your conspiracy scenario is *far* more likely...[/p][/quote]It ain't no 13-year old - they have far better things to do with their time. Plus, they wouldn't target just council related stuff.[/p][/quote]You couldn't make the paranoia up haha Well know one thing. There is someone at home wetting themselves at your bluster on this. Until people stop biting it won't stop. But fair play to them, if they can get you riled up then their work is successful.[/p][/quote]The only person who is getting wet is you...... you drip ![/p][/quote]No need to sling insults around Badger. Thats what got you banned the first three times.[/p][/quote]*Three* times??! And the rest! Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: -424

9:53pm Tue 1 Apr 14

jay, york says...

Silver wrote:
Well it's time to play CYC roulette.....which person gets thrown to the wolves. Last time it was Merrett despite the emails saying they didn't. So lets play JA roulette, smart bets it'll be Darren Richardson (Not his pet project but he's secured a future elsewhere)
Well they put Darren Richardson on to speak on their behalf on Radio York at teatime today....
[quote][p][bold]Silver[/bold] wrote: Well it's time to play CYC roulette.....which person gets thrown to the wolves. Last time it was Merrett despite the emails saying they didn't. So lets play JA roulette, smart bets it'll be Darren Richardson (Not his pet project but he's secured a future elsewhere)[/p][/quote]Well they put Darren Richardson on to speak on their behalf on Radio York at teatime today.... jay, york
  • Score: -242

9:56pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Silver says...

jay, york wrote:
Silver wrote:
Well it's time to play CYC roulette.....which person gets thrown to the wolves. Last time it was Merrett despite the emails saying they didn't. So lets play JA roulette, smart bets it'll be Darren Richardson (Not his pet project but he's secured a future elsewhere)
Well they put Darren Richardson on to speak on their behalf on Radio York at teatime today....
True but will they throw him to the wolves tomorrow? Doubt the paper will let it slide on just this one bit of news.
[quote][p][bold]jay, york[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Silver[/bold] wrote: Well it's time to play CYC roulette.....which person gets thrown to the wolves. Last time it was Merrett despite the emails saying they didn't. So lets play JA roulette, smart bets it'll be Darren Richardson (Not his pet project but he's secured a future elsewhere)[/p][/quote]Well they put Darren Richardson on to speak on their behalf on Radio York at teatime today....[/p][/quote]True but will they throw him to the wolves tomorrow? Doubt the paper will let it slide on just this one bit of news. Silver
  • Score: -258

10:21pm Tue 1 Apr 14

smiler45 says...

I hope the idiots at CYC that came up with this silly idea are footing the bill for this and not the council tax payer? It should come out of James Alexander and Co's wages, then he should resign!
I hope the idiots at CYC that came up with this silly idea are footing the bill for this and not the council tax payer? It should come out of James Alexander and Co's wages, then he should resign! smiler45
  • Score: -187

10:41pm Tue 1 Apr 14

inthesticks says...

meme wrote:
so who takes the blame and resigns over something that has caused huge harm to York?
or does D Richardson catch the can despite just following orders?
or does no one accept responsibility as seems to be the case nowadays in CoYC
No you`ve got it the wrong way round. They paid staff don`t just follow orders, the Cllrs vote for policy and the (very highly) paid staff implement it. That includes legalities (Andy D on £73K a year) and Darren (I`m out of here) Richardson (£88K) and Kersten England (£137K) who is ULTIMATELY responsible for the running of COYC. If they all get off scott free then it`s an absolute travesty. That they should sit in the background and not be accountable for this pile of sh.... ambles is criminal.
OK so the Cllrs will be voted out next time for their part in it but are we to be stuck with incompetent staff who are laughing all the way to their pensions?
[quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: so who takes the blame and resigns over something that has caused huge harm to York? or does D Richardson catch the can despite just following orders? or does no one accept responsibility as seems to be the case nowadays in CoYC[/p][/quote]No you`ve got it the wrong way round. They paid staff don`t just follow orders, the Cllrs vote for policy and the (very highly) paid staff implement it. That includes legalities (Andy D on £73K a year) and Darren (I`m out of here) Richardson (£88K) and Kersten England (£137K) who is ULTIMATELY responsible for the running of COYC. If they all get off scott free then it`s an absolute travesty. That they should sit in the background and not be accountable for this pile of sh.... ambles is criminal. OK so the Cllrs will be voted out next time for their part in it but are we to be stuck with incompetent staff who are laughing all the way to their pensions? inthesticks
  • Score: -229

10:41pm Tue 1 Apr 14

AnotherPointofView says...

Brilliant. Just Bl**dy brilliant.

When are the resignations coming?
Brilliant. Just Bl**dy brilliant. When are the resignations coming? AnotherPointofView
  • Score: -109

10:44pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Warren Z says...

AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Osbaldwick Lad wrote:
If Labour is going to have any involvement in the running of this City after the next elections I feel that the Party itself should take some appropriate action. If I were to vote Labour I would expect at least any Labour Councillor involved in this fiasco who has not resigned should at least be de-selected and a fresh candidate put in place.
The sad thing is so many of the councillors are in safe seats so no matter when madness they get up to they are not going to be turfed out.
However Merret has the smallest margin in his ward so fingers crossed!
If only Labour voters had to sign their name rather than making a cross on the voting form.
[quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Osbaldwick Lad[/bold] wrote: If Labour is going to have any involvement in the running of this City after the next elections I feel that the Party itself should take some appropriate action. If I were to vote Labour I would expect at least any Labour Councillor involved in this fiasco who has not resigned should at least be de-selected and a fresh candidate put in place.[/p][/quote]The sad thing is so many of the councillors are in safe seats so no matter when madness they get up to they are not going to be turfed out. However Merret has the smallest margin in his ward so fingers crossed![/p][/quote]If only Labour voters had to sign their name rather than making a cross on the voting form. Warren Z
  • Score: -89

10:44pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Warren Z says...

AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Osbaldwick Lad wrote:
If Labour is going to have any involvement in the running of this City after the next elections I feel that the Party itself should take some appropriate action. If I were to vote Labour I would expect at least any Labour Councillor involved in this fiasco who has not resigned should at least be de-selected and a fresh candidate put in place.
The sad thing is so many of the councillors are in safe seats so no matter when madness they get up to they are not going to be turfed out.
However Merret has the smallest margin in his ward so fingers crossed!
If only Labour voters had to sign their name rather than making a cross on the voting form.
[quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Osbaldwick Lad[/bold] wrote: If Labour is going to have any involvement in the running of this City after the next elections I feel that the Party itself should take some appropriate action. If I were to vote Labour I would expect at least any Labour Councillor involved in this fiasco who has not resigned should at least be de-selected and a fresh candidate put in place.[/p][/quote]The sad thing is so many of the councillors are in safe seats so no matter when madness they get up to they are not going to be turfed out. However Merret has the smallest margin in his ward so fingers crossed![/p][/quote]If only Labour voters had to sign their name rather than making a cross on the voting form. Warren Z
  • Score: -153

10:53pm Tue 1 Apr 14

ehbygum says...

let's see.... the bridge closure was about reducing traffic congestion and pollution in the town centre. Has this been forgotten?
The signage is perfectly clear. Anyone driving through in the restriction period surely can work out what would happen???
let's see.... the bridge closure was about reducing traffic congestion and pollution in the town centre. Has this been forgotten? The signage is perfectly clear. Anyone driving through in the restriction period surely can work out what would happen??? ehbygum
  • Score: -179

10:54pm Tue 1 Apr 14

inthesticks says...

jumbojet wrote:
If this was unlawful, what needs to be done to make it lawful? all the idiots in the council must have taken some advice, we are an ancient City, it's not the first restriction ever applied to any of our roads.
How do one way streets work, LAWFULLY, how do restricted hours into the City centre work, LAWFULLY? anyone would think that, as a City, we were introducing some event new to the 21st Century.
We, as humans, need less pollution within our City centre, and I would like to see some effort made to achieve that, which would include all fat, lazy, lumps sat in motor cars, taking to their feet now and again.
I know, to think that someone driving from Harrogate to visit Mum in the hospital couldn`t manage to walk it! Shocking.
And someone from Easingwold who has to drive round the A1237 daily to get to work at Acomb, only to find the said ring road chocka every day because of the extra traffic from the bridge closure - well why don`t they just cycle, the fat, lazy lump.
By the way, which shop do they sell rose tinted specs in, because I would like some like yours?
[quote][p][bold]jumbojet[/bold] wrote: If this was unlawful, what needs to be done to make it lawful? all the idiots in the council must have taken some advice, we are an ancient City, it's not the first restriction ever applied to any of our roads. How do one way streets work, LAWFULLY, how do restricted hours into the City centre work, LAWFULLY? anyone would think that, as a City, we were introducing some event new to the 21st Century. We, as humans, need less pollution within our City centre, and I would like to see some effort made to achieve that, which would include all fat, lazy, lumps sat in motor cars, taking to their feet now and again.[/p][/quote]I know, to think that someone driving from Harrogate to visit Mum in the hospital couldn`t manage to walk it! Shocking. And someone from Easingwold who has to drive round the A1237 daily to get to work at Acomb, only to find the said ring road chocka every day because of the extra traffic from the bridge closure - well why don`t they just cycle, the fat, lazy lump. By the way, which shop do they sell rose tinted specs in, because I would like some like yours? inthesticks
  • Score: -183

11:07pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Warren Z wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Osbaldwick Lad wrote:
If Labour is going to have any involvement in the running of this City after the next elections I feel that the Party itself should take some appropriate action. If I were to vote Labour I would expect at least any Labour Councillor involved in this fiasco who has not resigned should at least be de-selected and a fresh candidate put in place.
The sad thing is so many of the councillors are in safe seats so no matter when madness they get up to they are not going to be turfed out.
However Merret has the smallest margin in his ward so fingers crossed!
If only Labour voters had to sign their name rather than making a cross on the voting form.
I will vote Labour at the next election merely to keep the Tories and the ToryLibDems out. I don't mind you knowing it.
[quote][p][bold]Warren Z[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Osbaldwick Lad[/bold] wrote: If Labour is going to have any involvement in the running of this City after the next elections I feel that the Party itself should take some appropriate action. If I were to vote Labour I would expect at least any Labour Councillor involved in this fiasco who has not resigned should at least be de-selected and a fresh candidate put in place.[/p][/quote]The sad thing is so many of the councillors are in safe seats so no matter when madness they get up to they are not going to be turfed out. However Merret has the smallest margin in his ward so fingers crossed![/p][/quote]If only Labour voters had to sign their name rather than making a cross on the voting form.[/p][/quote]I will vote Labour at the next election merely to keep the Tories and the ToryLibDems out. I don't mind you knowing it. Pinza-C55
  • Score: -145

11:16pm Tue 1 Apr 14

inthesticks says...

Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
This is no April Fools joke. But, it's still not clear whether or not you'll get a fine for crossing Lendal Bridge from today. It needs clarifying straight away.
The system is in place to automatically to send a fine to a car that crosses the bridge. But if you don`t pay or refuse to pay what will they do then? Take non payers to court? For what - non payment of an illegal charge?
If you sent a copy of the adjudication to court that would suffice. But it wouldn`t even get that far, they wouldn`t even try to enforce you to pay in court after this ruling.
Cross the bridge and ignore the notices if received or return them to the council saying it`s not legal and you wont be paying. It`s a piece of meaningless paper with no legal clout.
[quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: This is no April Fools joke. But, it's still not clear whether or not you'll get a fine for crossing Lendal Bridge from today. It needs clarifying straight away.[/p][/quote]The system is in place to automatically to send a fine to a car that crosses the bridge. But if you don`t pay or refuse to pay what will they do then? Take non payers to court? For what - non payment of an illegal charge? If you sent a copy of the adjudication to court that would suffice. But it wouldn`t even get that far, they wouldn`t even try to enforce you to pay in court after this ruling. Cross the bridge and ignore the notices if received or return them to the council saying it`s not legal and you wont be paying. It`s a piece of meaningless paper with no legal clout. inthesticks
  • Score: -121

11:19pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Non-corporate entity says...

So if our council tax has funded a racket (crime) surely we should be entitled to some sort of reduction?
So if our council tax has funded a racket (crime) surely we should be entitled to some sort of reduction? Non-corporate entity
  • Score: -183

11:20pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Dr Brian says...

Paul Hepworth wrote:
Dr Brian wrote: Just been watching the Council web cast live on internet TSL would not let one member discuss the Lendal Bridge issue Tyical. Orwell must have meant this lot when he coined the phrase nonspeak (or whatever it was!)
You have unfortunately misinterpreted what you saw. I was at the Cabinet Meeting as a registered speaker on another Agenda topic. The lady was also registered to speak on yet another topic, viz York's bid to become a UNESCO City. She started on track but then veered off to talk about Lendal Bridge. Regardless of her sincerity she was not following protocol and the Chair correctly stopped her. Having had her permitted three minutes, she came back for another go during the Chair's summing up, and the meeting was quite properly suspended for a few minutes.
Yes but Paul I also watched your 3 mins of bore and when your 3 mins Was up Tracey Simpson Laing said 3 mins but then allowed you another 15 seconds something she did not allow the previous speaker she stopped her on 3 minutes and also interrupted her something she did not do when you were speaking but then again she was not promoting the council as you always do
[quote][p][bold]Paul Hepworth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: Just been watching the Council web cast live on internet TSL would not let one member discuss the Lendal Bridge issue Tyical. Orwell must have meant this lot when he coined the phrase nonspeak (or whatever it was!)[/p][/quote]You have unfortunately misinterpreted what you saw. I was at the Cabinet Meeting as a registered speaker on another Agenda topic. The lady was also registered to speak on yet another topic, viz York's bid to become a UNESCO City. She started on track but then veered off to talk about Lendal Bridge. Regardless of her sincerity she was not following protocol and the Chair correctly stopped her. Having had her permitted three minutes, she came back for another go during the Chair's summing up, and the meeting was quite properly suspended for a few minutes.[/p][/quote]Yes but Paul I also watched your 3 mins of bore and when your 3 mins Was up Tracey Simpson Laing said 3 mins but then allowed you another 15 seconds something she did not allow the previous speaker she stopped her on 3 minutes and also interrupted her something she did not do when you were speaking but then again she was not promoting the council as you always do Dr Brian
  • Score: -221

11:22pm Tue 1 Apr 14

inthesticks says...

inthesticks wrote:
Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
This is no April Fools joke. But, it's still not clear whether or not you'll get a fine for crossing Lendal Bridge from today. It needs clarifying straight away.
The system is in place to automatically to send a fine to a car that crosses the bridge. But if you don`t pay or refuse to pay what will they do then? Take non payers to court? For what - non payment of an illegal charge?
If you sent a copy of the adjudication to court that would suffice. But it wouldn`t even get that far, they wouldn`t even try to enforce you to pay in court after this ruling.
Cross the bridge and ignore the notices if received or return them to the council saying it`s not legal and you wont be paying. It`s a piece of meaningless paper with no legal clout.
Actually we are using the wrong term- fine. It`s a penalty charge, only a court can impose a fine.
[quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: This is no April Fools joke. But, it's still not clear whether or not you'll get a fine for crossing Lendal Bridge from today. It needs clarifying straight away.[/p][/quote]The system is in place to automatically to send a fine to a car that crosses the bridge. But if you don`t pay or refuse to pay what will they do then? Take non payers to court? For what - non payment of an illegal charge? If you sent a copy of the adjudication to court that would suffice. But it wouldn`t even get that far, they wouldn`t even try to enforce you to pay in court after this ruling. Cross the bridge and ignore the notices if received or return them to the council saying it`s not legal and you wont be paying. It`s a piece of meaningless paper with no legal clout.[/p][/quote]Actually we are using the wrong term- fine. It`s a penalty charge, only a court can impose a fine. inthesticks
  • Score: -178

11:22pm Tue 1 Apr 14

bolero says...

Who cares about the feckless vote rigger now? It doesn't really matter does it? It makes no difference to the findings of the adjudicator.
Who cares about the feckless vote rigger now? It doesn't really matter does it? It makes no difference to the findings of the adjudicator. bolero
  • Score: -201

11:23pm Tue 1 Apr 14

SilentMajor I.T. says...

Great Well done everybody! Pats on back all round. However council's official stance is still "restrictions are in place". Jolly good, I'm up for 2 more PCNs in that case aren't I? Inadvertently in the heat of a celebratory moment I drove over the bridge quite slowly and loudly much to the bemusement of several hundred tourists and residents. I may or may not have been making a Victory sign at the time. Well, the evidence pack from these PCNs (there and back) should be quite clear.

However, if I don't receive these PCNs then surely James Alexander's authoritarian regime is not worth its breath? You may call for blood, but ultimately it is the Leader of a failed policy that must be accountable not merely the puppets of "shared responsibility". We also mustn't forget the failings of democracy here, the lack of transparency and contempt for residents shown by other cabinet members.

Why shjould Merret go? He at least has guts and principle, he has shown consistency for at least 16 years. Regardless of reward or derision, he does not chase the glittering prizes and will be here in York for the foreseeable future, hopefully achieving a correctly implemented solution without an impulsive, inexperienced master vaingloriously pushing him forward.

Kevin Dobbin
Great Well done everybody! Pats on back all round. However council's official stance is still "restrictions are in place". Jolly good, I'm up for 2 more PCNs in that case aren't I? Inadvertently in the heat of a celebratory moment I drove over the bridge quite slowly and loudly much to the bemusement of several hundred tourists and residents. I may or may not have been making a Victory sign at the time. Well, the evidence pack from these PCNs (there and back) should be quite clear. However, if I don't receive these PCNs then surely James Alexander's authoritarian regime is not worth its breath? You may call for blood, but ultimately it is the Leader of a failed policy that must be accountable not merely the puppets of "shared responsibility". We also mustn't forget the failings of democracy here, the lack of transparency and contempt for residents shown by other cabinet members. Why shjould Merret go? He at least has guts and principle, he has shown consistency for at least 16 years. Regardless of reward or derision, he does not chase the glittering prizes and will be here in York for the foreseeable future, hopefully achieving a correctly implemented solution without an impulsive, inexperienced master vaingloriously pushing him forward. Kevin Dobbin SilentMajor I.T.
  • Score: -249

11:27pm Tue 1 Apr 14

inthesticks says...

Dr Brian wrote:
Paul Hepworth wrote:
Dr Brian wrote: Just been watching the Council web cast live on internet TSL would not let one member discuss the Lendal Bridge issue Tyical. Orwell must have meant this lot when he coined the phrase nonspeak (or whatever it was!)
You have unfortunately misinterpreted what you saw. I was at the Cabinet Meeting as a registered speaker on another Agenda topic. The lady was also registered to speak on yet another topic, viz York's bid to become a UNESCO City. She started on track but then veered off to talk about Lendal Bridge. Regardless of her sincerity she was not following protocol and the Chair correctly stopped her. Having had her permitted three minutes, she came back for another go during the Chair's summing up, and the meeting was quite properly suspended for a few minutes.
Yes but Paul I also watched your 3 mins of bore and when your 3 mins Was up Tracey Simpson Laing said 3 mins but then allowed you another 15 seconds something she did not allow the previous speaker she stopped her on 3 minutes and also interrupted her something she did not do when you were speaking but then again she was not promoting the council as you always do
Was it Gwen who was speaking? The council are scared of her because she holds them to account and tries to make them be democratic and transparent, so they would shut her up asap, just like blocking her on twitter.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paul Hepworth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: Just been watching the Council web cast live on internet TSL would not let one member discuss the Lendal Bridge issue Tyical. Orwell must have meant this lot when he coined the phrase nonspeak (or whatever it was!)[/p][/quote]You have unfortunately misinterpreted what you saw. I was at the Cabinet Meeting as a registered speaker on another Agenda topic. The lady was also registered to speak on yet another topic, viz York's bid to become a UNESCO City. She started on track but then veered off to talk about Lendal Bridge. Regardless of her sincerity she was not following protocol and the Chair correctly stopped her. Having had her permitted three minutes, she came back for another go during the Chair's summing up, and the meeting was quite properly suspended for a few minutes.[/p][/quote]Yes but Paul I also watched your 3 mins of bore and when your 3 mins Was up Tracey Simpson Laing said 3 mins but then allowed you another 15 seconds something she did not allow the previous speaker she stopped her on 3 minutes and also interrupted her something she did not do when you were speaking but then again she was not promoting the council as you always do[/p][/quote]Was it Gwen who was speaking? The council are scared of her because she holds them to account and tries to make them be democratic and transparent, so they would shut her up asap, just like blocking her on twitter. inthesticks
  • Score: -155

11:56pm Tue 1 Apr 14

gmsgop says...

Paul Hepworth wrote:
Dr Brian wrote:
Just been watching the Council web cast live on internet TSL would not let one member discuss the Lendal Bridge issue Tyical. Orwell must have meant this lot when he coined the phrase nonspeak (or whatever it was!)
You have unfortunately misinterpreted what you saw. I was at the Cabinet Meeting as a registered speaker on another Agenda topic. The lady was also registered to speak on yet another topic, viz York's bid to become a UNESCO City. She started on track but then veered off to talk about Lendal Bridge. Regardless of her sincerity she was not following protocol and the Chair correctly stopped her. Having had her permitted three minutes, she came back for another go during the Chair's summing up, and the meeting was quite properly suspended for a few minutes.
Oh dear Paul pm you do need to make sure you get your facts right...my email requesting to speak was about UNESCO and governance - not governance of unesco - but of course you are not the councik's democracy officer, so how would you know what was in my enpmsil?

I was clear, and I clarified it before I started speaking - so I am afraid Sir - you are wrong - email and audio make it quite clear..............I was talking about governance failures at city if York council,when Tracey Simpson Laing rudely interrupted me, talked over me & then said my time was up- at which point I quietly moved away.

I came back for 'another go' as you say only after the chair abused me, discussed and disparaged my personal circumstances and deliberately misinterpreted what I said.

Tracey Simpson Laing handled herself badly, any right thinking person would agree. Even the cabinet member next to her was trying to get her to stop, but no...so having done all that I had no option but to state the facts again - I am supportive of the media city bid but if the public purse is going to be tapped, we need costs and benefits - that's all I was asking for.
There - if the webcast is not edited.... This is what you will hear - sorry Paul - better keep to your cycling stuff- hope you are more accurate on that topic than this!
Gwen Swinburn
[quote][p][bold]Paul Hepworth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: Just been watching the Council web cast live on internet TSL would not let one member discuss the Lendal Bridge issue Tyical. Orwell must have meant this lot when he coined the phrase nonspeak (or whatever it was!)[/p][/quote]You have unfortunately misinterpreted what you saw. I was at the Cabinet Meeting as a registered speaker on another Agenda topic. The lady was also registered to speak on yet another topic, viz York's bid to become a UNESCO City. She started on track but then veered off to talk about Lendal Bridge. Regardless of her sincerity she was not following protocol and the Chair correctly stopped her. Having had her permitted three minutes, she came back for another go during the Chair's summing up, and the meeting was quite properly suspended for a few minutes.[/p][/quote]Oh dear Paul pm you do need to make sure you get your facts right...my email requesting to speak was about UNESCO and governance - not governance of unesco - but of course you are not the councik's democracy officer, so how would you know what was in my enpmsil? I was clear, and I clarified it before I started speaking - so I am afraid Sir - you are wrong - email and audio make it quite clear..............I was talking about governance failures at city if York council,when Tracey Simpson Laing rudely interrupted me, talked over me & then said my time was up- at which point I quietly moved away. I came back for 'another go' as you say only after the chair abused me, discussed and disparaged my personal circumstances and deliberately misinterpreted what I said. Tracey Simpson Laing handled herself badly, any right thinking person would agree. Even the cabinet member next to her was trying to get her to stop, but no...so having done all that I had no option but to state the facts again - I am supportive of the media city bid but if the public purse is going to be tapped, we need costs and benefits - that's all I was asking for. There - if the webcast is not edited.... This is what you will hear - sorry Paul - better keep to your cycling stuff- hope you are more accurate on that topic than this! Gwen Swinburn gmsgop
  • Score: -42

12:00am Wed 2 Apr 14

Meldrew2 says...

courier46 wrote:
peter123456 wrote:
Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.
It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras.
Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it
The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other.

20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.
[quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter123456[/bold] wrote: Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.[/p][/quote]It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras. Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it[/p][/quote]The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other. 20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all. Meldrew2
  • Score: -123

12:02am Wed 2 Apr 14

sonorbloke says...

ehbygum wrote:
let's see.... the bridge closure was about reducing traffic congestion and pollution in the town centre. Has this been forgotten?
The signage is perfectly clear. Anyone driving through in the restriction period surely can work out what would happen???
It isn't perfectly clear at all, hence why the adjudicator (the highest authority in the land in this area of expertise) has decided that it doesn't meet the required standards and that fines are not enforceable.

Even if the council do appeal it will end up on the desk of the man who made the decision that it isn't enforceable. That's going to go well, then.
[quote][p][bold]ehbygum[/bold] wrote: let's see.... the bridge closure was about reducing traffic congestion and pollution in the town centre. Has this been forgotten? The signage is perfectly clear. Anyone driving through in the restriction period surely can work out what would happen???[/p][/quote]It isn't perfectly clear at all, hence why the adjudicator (the highest authority in the land in this area of expertise) has decided that it doesn't meet the required standards and that fines are not enforceable. Even if the council do appeal it will end up on the desk of the man who made the decision that it isn't enforceable. That's going to go well, then. sonorbloke
  • Score: -57

12:09am Wed 2 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

AnotherPointofView wrote:
Brilliant. Just Bl**dy brilliant. When are the resignations coming?
Sadly, not soon enough, if at all ?

Never mind, though. These posts have told Labour in York and the massively unpopular council, what most of the electorate think of them, and the Lendal Bridge fiasco. It's also a sign of intent come next years local elections, to remove those who should have resigned.
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: Brilliant. Just Bl**dy brilliant. When are the resignations coming?[/p][/quote]Sadly, not soon enough, if at all ? Never mind, though. These posts have told Labour in York and the massively unpopular council, what most of the electorate think of them, and the Lendal Bridge fiasco. It's also a sign of intent come next years local elections, to remove those who should have resigned. Badgers Drift
  • Score: -52

12:09am Wed 2 Apr 14

Meldrew2 says...

I see the phantom vote rigger is still at large.

It just shows the type of people who are running our city!
I see the phantom vote rigger is still at large. It just shows the type of people who are running our city! Meldrew2
  • Score: -87

12:11am Wed 2 Apr 14

AnotherPointofView says...

Meldrew2 wrote:
courier46 wrote:
peter123456 wrote:
Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.
It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras.
Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it
The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other.

20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.
You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun?

On what basis is your article factual?
[quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter123456[/bold] wrote: Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.[/p][/quote]It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras. Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it[/p][/quote]The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other. 20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.[/p][/quote]You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun? On what basis is your article factual? AnotherPointofView
  • Score: -93

12:13am Wed 2 Apr 14

gmsgop says...

inthesticks wrote:
meme wrote:
so who takes the blame and resigns over something that has caused huge harm to York?
or does D Richardson catch the can despite just following orders?
or does no one accept responsibility as seems to be the case nowadays in CoYC
No you`ve got it the wrong way round. They paid staff don`t just follow orders, the Cllrs vote for policy and the (very highly) paid staff implement it. That includes legalities (Andy D on £73K a year) and Darren (I`m out of here) Richardson (£88K) and Kersten England (£137K) who is ULTIMATELY responsible for the running of COYC. If they all get off scott free then it`s an absolute travesty. That they should sit in the background and not be accountable for this pile of sh.... ambles is criminal.
OK so the Cllrs will be voted out next time for their part in it but are we to be stuck with incompetent staff who are laughing all the way to their pensions?
Indeed you are right, councillors should do policy and staffers implement. The very point raised by city of York peer review, the wrong people I the wrong job.. This was the very point I raised at Council several months ago- it was so hated by the powers that be, that they embarked on the gagging report folly. Remember the report that even James's backbenchers spoke vigorously against? And was dumped as not fit for purpose.

The melded roles of cllrs and top staff is at the heart if what is going wrong in York in my opinion- that and a serious shortage of backbone amongst senior staff.
Gwen Swinburn
[quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: so who takes the blame and resigns over something that has caused huge harm to York? or does D Richardson catch the can despite just following orders? or does no one accept responsibility as seems to be the case nowadays in CoYC[/p][/quote]No you`ve got it the wrong way round. They paid staff don`t just follow orders, the Cllrs vote for policy and the (very highly) paid staff implement it. That includes legalities (Andy D on £73K a year) and Darren (I`m out of here) Richardson (£88K) and Kersten England (£137K) who is ULTIMATELY responsible for the running of COYC. If they all get off scott free then it`s an absolute travesty. That they should sit in the background and not be accountable for this pile of sh.... ambles is criminal. OK so the Cllrs will be voted out next time for their part in it but are we to be stuck with incompetent staff who are laughing all the way to their pensions?[/p][/quote]Indeed you are right, councillors should do policy and staffers implement. The very point raised by city of York peer review, the wrong people I the wrong job.. This was the very point I raised at Council several months ago- it was so hated by the powers that be, that they embarked on the gagging report folly. Remember the report that even James's backbenchers spoke vigorously against? And was dumped as not fit for purpose. The melded roles of cllrs and top staff is at the heart if what is going wrong in York in my opinion- that and a serious shortage of backbone amongst senior staff. Gwen Swinburn gmsgop
  • Score: -90

12:17am Wed 2 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

bolero wrote:
Who cares about the feckless vote rigger now? It doesn't really matter does it? It makes no difference to the findings of the adjudicator.
Yes indeed......

Game, set, and soon to be match !

The Lendal Bridge crossing challenge, returned to the people of York !

Labour losers :)
[quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: Who cares about the feckless vote rigger now? It doesn't really matter does it? It makes no difference to the findings of the adjudicator.[/p][/quote]Yes indeed...... Game, set, and soon to be match ! The Lendal Bridge crossing challenge, returned to the people of York ! Labour losers :) Badgers Drift
  • Score: -107

12:18am Wed 2 Apr 14

Meldrew2 says...

AnotherPointofView wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
courier46 wrote:
peter123456 wrote:
Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.
It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras.
Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it
The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other.

20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.
You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun?

On what basis is your article factual?
I've been driving for over 40 years and have a pretty good idea what spead cars are doing. I take it you either don't drive or have very little experience of driving?

Come back when you have!
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter123456[/bold] wrote: Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.[/p][/quote]It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras. Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it[/p][/quote]The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other. 20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.[/p][/quote]You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun? On what basis is your article factual?[/p][/quote]I've been driving for over 40 years and have a pretty good idea what spead cars are doing. I take it you either don't drive or have very little experience of driving? Come back when you have! Meldrew2
  • Score: -190

12:21am Wed 2 Apr 14

Meldrew2 says...

Fro a friend who lives near Middlesbrough. Caught out like many others.

"I for one shall be demanding my money back, it cost me £95, I did contest it on the grounds that I was forced into the lane by a bloody ignorant bus driver who refused to let me in once I saw the sign which was very ambiguous"

He's a happy man tonight :)
Fro a friend who lives near Middlesbrough. Caught out like many others. "I for one shall be demanding my money back, it cost me £95, I did contest it on the grounds that I was forced into the lane by a bloody ignorant bus driver who refused to let me in once I saw the sign which was very ambiguous" He's a happy man tonight :) Meldrew2
  • Score: -138

12:30am Wed 2 Apr 14

AnotherPointofView says...

Meldrew2 wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
courier46 wrote:
peter123456 wrote:
Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.
It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras.
Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it
The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other.

20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.
You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun?

On what basis is your article factual?
I've been driving for over 40 years and have a pretty good idea what spead cars are doing. I take it you either don't drive or have very little experience of driving?

Come back when you have!
How funny you are! If you have read any of my responses you will know I drive for a living. I think you are the novice.
[quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter123456[/bold] wrote: Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.[/p][/quote]It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras. Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it[/p][/quote]The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other. 20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.[/p][/quote]You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun? On what basis is your article factual?[/p][/quote]I've been driving for over 40 years and have a pretty good idea what spead cars are doing. I take it you either don't drive or have very little experience of driving? Come back when you have![/p][/quote]How funny you are! If you have read any of my responses you will know I drive for a living. I think you are the novice. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: -67

12:34am Wed 2 Apr 14

inthesticks says...

gmsgop wrote:
Paul Hepworth wrote:
Dr Brian wrote:
Just been watching the Council web cast live on internet TSL would not let one member discuss the Lendal Bridge issue Tyical. Orwell must have meant this lot when he coined the phrase nonspeak (or whatever it was!)
You have unfortunately misinterpreted what you saw. I was at the Cabinet Meeting as a registered speaker on another Agenda topic. The lady was also registered to speak on yet another topic, viz York's bid to become a UNESCO City. She started on track but then veered off to talk about Lendal Bridge. Regardless of her sincerity she was not following protocol and the Chair correctly stopped her. Having had her permitted three minutes, she came back for another go during the Chair's summing up, and the meeting was quite properly suspended for a few minutes.
Oh dear Paul pm you do need to make sure you get your facts right...my email requesting to speak was about UNESCO and governance - not governance of unesco - but of course you are not the councik's democracy officer, so how would you know what was in my enpmsil?

I was clear, and I clarified it before I started speaking - so I am afraid Sir - you are wrong - email and audio make it quite clear..............I was talking about governance failures at city if York council,when Tracey Simpson Laing rudely interrupted me, talked over me & then said my time was up- at which point I quietly moved away.

I came back for 'another go' as you say only after the chair abused me, discussed and disparaged my personal circumstances and deliberately misinterpreted what I said.

Tracey Simpson Laing handled herself badly, any right thinking person would agree. Even the cabinet member next to her was trying to get her to stop, but no...so having done all that I had no option but to state the facts again - I am supportive of the media city bid but if the public purse is going to be tapped, we need costs and benefits - that's all I was asking for.
There - if the webcast is not edited.... This is what you will hear - sorry Paul - better keep to your cycling stuff- hope you are more accurate on that topic than this!
Gwen Swinburn
Well I can`t wait to watch the webcast of that one. Sounds like a certain Cllr has watched too many episodes of Game of Thrones.
[quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paul Hepworth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: Just been watching the Council web cast live on internet TSL would not let one member discuss the Lendal Bridge issue Tyical. Orwell must have meant this lot when he coined the phrase nonspeak (or whatever it was!)[/p][/quote]You have unfortunately misinterpreted what you saw. I was at the Cabinet Meeting as a registered speaker on another Agenda topic. The lady was also registered to speak on yet another topic, viz York's bid to become a UNESCO City. She started on track but then veered off to talk about Lendal Bridge. Regardless of her sincerity she was not following protocol and the Chair correctly stopped her. Having had her permitted three minutes, she came back for another go during the Chair's summing up, and the meeting was quite properly suspended for a few minutes.[/p][/quote]Oh dear Paul pm you do need to make sure you get your facts right...my email requesting to speak was about UNESCO and governance - not governance of unesco - but of course you are not the councik's democracy officer, so how would you know what was in my enpmsil? I was clear, and I clarified it before I started speaking - so I am afraid Sir - you are wrong - email and audio make it quite clear..............I was talking about governance failures at city if York council,when Tracey Simpson Laing rudely interrupted me, talked over me & then said my time was up- at which point I quietly moved away. I came back for 'another go' as you say only after the chair abused me, discussed and disparaged my personal circumstances and deliberately misinterpreted what I said. Tracey Simpson Laing handled herself badly, any right thinking person would agree. Even the cabinet member next to her was trying to get her to stop, but no...so having done all that I had no option but to state the facts again - I am supportive of the media city bid but if the public purse is going to be tapped, we need costs and benefits - that's all I was asking for. There - if the webcast is not edited.... This is what you will hear - sorry Paul - better keep to your cycling stuff- hope you are more accurate on that topic than this! Gwen Swinburn[/p][/quote]Well I can`t wait to watch the webcast of that one. Sounds like a certain Cllr has watched too many episodes of Game of Thrones. inthesticks
  • Score: -142

1:31am Wed 2 Apr 14

jay, york says...

bolero wrote:
Who cares about the feckless vote rigger now? It doesn't really matter does it? It makes no difference to the findings of the adjudicator.
Very well said! What matters is what people havethe opportunity to speak out. CYC have been told by a Government adjudicator that they are doing something illegal in issuing PCNs. .But they ignore it because they dont agree with it - this is a really serious issue - its criminal.
[quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: Who cares about the feckless vote rigger now? It doesn't really matter does it? It makes no difference to the findings of the adjudicator.[/p][/quote]Very well said! What matters is what people havethe opportunity to speak out. CYC have been told by a Government adjudicator that they are doing something illegal in issuing PCNs. .But they ignore it because they dont agree with it - this is a really serious issue - its criminal. jay, york
  • Score: -87

1:45am Wed 2 Apr 14

jay, york says...

Bailed Out wrote:
Can't wait for the comment from the clowns.
Funnily enough there has been no comment from the clowns (apart from PP who we know is on another planet anyway)- even the clowns mark down mongrels have nothing to say (but then again they never do).
[quote][p][bold]Bailed Out[/bold] wrote: Can't wait for the comment from the clowns.[/p][/quote]Funnily enough there has been no comment from the clowns (apart from PP who we know is on another planet anyway)- even the clowns mark down mongrels have nothing to say (but then again they never do). jay, york
  • Score: -158

3:05am Wed 2 Apr 14

ouseswimmer says...

I wonder how many times in a day that I can drive over Lendal Bridge? How many fines will they try to post to me?
I wonder how many times in a day that I can drive over Lendal Bridge? How many fines will they try to post to me? ouseswimmer
  • Score: -179

6:59am Wed 2 Apr 14

oi oi savaloy says...

merret, alexander and england should resign immediately ....!
merret, alexander and england should resign immediately ....! oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -122

7:49am Wed 2 Apr 14

roskoboskovic says...

i have said for years that merrett has no place as a councillor because he is one of the least intelligent and boring people you will ever meet.watch his performance on look north against that interviewing titan harry gration and you ll see what i mean.this is what happens when you elect childish,leftie idealists onto the council when they are obviously clueless.
i have said for years that merrett has no place as a councillor because he is one of the least intelligent and boring people you will ever meet.watch his performance on look north against that interviewing titan harry gration and you ll see what i mean.this is what happens when you elect childish,leftie idealists onto the council when they are obviously clueless. roskoboskovic
  • Score: -140

8:09am Wed 2 Apr 14

Kevin Turvey says...

Unfortunately I can see no resignations coming from these spineless and valueless (both meanings) councillors.

They will hold on to so called power until they are finally thrown out, they are that arrogant.
I wonder if the storming of the bastille was over a smaller issue?
Perhaps a torch lit lynch mob of locals will maybe descend on the Kremlin? Who knows?

Alexander, Ferret and Simply Wrong resign now to give your party a chance to recover over the next few years!
Way way way past time to resign. Do it now.
I always did say that Alexander was put in as a puppet so all the bad press would stick to him and at some time the real leaders will emerge after he is gone. Maybe that time is now?

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Unfortunately I can see no resignations coming from these spineless and valueless (both meanings) councillors. They will hold on to so called power until they are finally thrown out, they are that arrogant. I wonder if the storming of the bastille was over a smaller issue? Perhaps a torch lit lynch mob of locals will maybe descend on the Kremlin? Who knows? Alexander, Ferret and Simply Wrong resign now to give your party a chance to recover over the next few years! Way way way past time to resign. Do it now. I always did say that Alexander was put in as a puppet so all the bad press would stick to him and at some time the real leaders will emerge after he is gone. Maybe that time is now? RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! RESIGNATIONS required now! Kevin Turvey
  • Score: -160

8:25am Wed 2 Apr 14

bloodaxe says...

All very well crowing about a ruling over a technicality but the reopening of Lendal Bridge to all traffic will have two effects. The first will be to increase congestion in Clarence Street, Gillygate, Bootham and Nunnery Lane. The second will be to further pollute the air quality in York, which is already in contravention of European standards as is much of the UK. The fines we should really worry about are those which may be imposed by the EU, quite rightly, on this increasingly anti-environmental government.
All very well crowing about a ruling over a technicality but the reopening of Lendal Bridge to all traffic will have two effects. The first will be to increase congestion in Clarence Street, Gillygate, Bootham and Nunnery Lane. The second will be to further pollute the air quality in York, which is already in contravention of European standards as is much of the UK. The fines we should really worry about are those which may be imposed by the EU, quite rightly, on this increasingly anti-environmental government. bloodaxe
  • Score: -68

8:25am Wed 2 Apr 14

nowthen says...

Top traffic lawyer Nick Freeman, known as 'Mr Loophole' for his success in defending celebrity clients, said tonight: "The council had no power to levy these fines and therefore the total penalty charges should be reimbursed to the 53,000 motorists who have been issued with these penalty charge notices.

"I would strongly urge all of the 53,000 motorists to contact City of York Council by letter or email requesting a refund of their money. This ruling could have potentially huge implications for other councils nationally who have similar schemes in operation.".........
..... I dread to think which front line services are going to be axed to pay for this mess. I'm fairly confident though, that Cllr Merrett will continue to siphon money out of revenue to finance his vanity project loans. It has now become very clear why Alexander was scared of the Lendal bridge project becoming associated with him and Cllr Merrett. Will he be man enough to take responsibility ?
Top traffic lawyer Nick Freeman, known as 'Mr Loophole' for his success in defending celebrity clients, said tonight: "The council had no power to levy these fines and therefore the total penalty charges should be reimbursed to the 53,000 motorists who have been issued with these penalty charge notices. "I would strongly urge all of the 53,000 motorists to contact City of York Council by letter or email requesting a refund of their money. This ruling could have potentially huge implications for other councils nationally who have similar schemes in operation."......... ..... I dread to think which front line services are going to be axed to pay for this mess. I'm fairly confident though, that Cllr Merrett will continue to siphon money out of revenue to finance his vanity project loans. It has now become very clear why Alexander was scared of the Lendal bridge project becoming associated with him and Cllr Merrett. Will he be man enough to take responsibility ? nowthen
  • Score: -106

8:28am Wed 2 Apr 14

bloodaxe says...

I should have added that, notwithstanding the ruling, the same procedures should be applied on Lendal Bridge as on Stonebow: rising bollards. Buses, taxis and emergency vehicles only between 10.30 and 5. That way there can be no doubt, uncertainty or fines.
I should have added that, notwithstanding the ruling, the same procedures should be applied on Lendal Bridge as on Stonebow: rising bollards. Buses, taxis and emergency vehicles only between 10.30 and 5. That way there can be no doubt, uncertainty or fines. bloodaxe
  • Score: -169

8:30am Wed 2 Apr 14

pedalling paul says...

Oh dearie me. My doppleganger has been getting some flak here, and in the Press letters page as well. Bit of a ding dong. But let's remember what lies beneath the waves. Hundreds of car drivers were daily cocking a snoot at the Coppergate restrictions, and thereby disrupting the flow of buses and taxis.
ANPR technology is clearly more effective than an occasional police officer's visit. Before the technology was introduced, Council Officers would have taken internal and external advice on the legalities, then made their recommendations to elected Councillors. The Councillors are not themselves legal experts so must lean heavily upon the advice which they receive. That's what happened here.
The same advice would have gone to Councillors of other Parties if they had happened to be in control, and those Councillors would have similarly accepted it. So rather than staging a pre-election baying for blood, the present Opposition Councillors should perhaps support their Labour colleagues in seeking to get further clarification of the legal position. And at the end of the day, national Government must ensure that legal powers and advice are properly constructed, so that Local Authorities can use the benefits of ANPR enforcement without having to look over their shoulders all the time.
Oh dearie me. My doppleganger has been getting some flak here, and in the Press letters page as well. Bit of a ding dong. But let's remember what lies beneath the waves. Hundreds of car drivers were daily cocking a snoot at the Coppergate restrictions, and thereby disrupting the flow of buses and taxis. ANPR technology is clearly more effective than an occasional police officer's visit. Before the technology was introduced, Council Officers would have taken internal and external advice on the legalities, then made their recommendations to elected Councillors. The Councillors are not themselves legal experts so must lean heavily upon the advice which they receive. That's what happened here. The same advice would have gone to Councillors of other Parties if they had happened to be in control, and those Councillors would have similarly accepted it. So rather than staging a pre-election baying for blood, the present Opposition Councillors should perhaps support their Labour colleagues in seeking to get further clarification of the legal position. And at the end of the day, national Government must ensure that legal powers and advice are properly constructed, so that Local Authorities can use the benefits of ANPR enforcement without having to look over their shoulders all the time. pedalling paul
  • Score: -270

8:43am Wed 2 Apr 14

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Oh dearie me. My doppleganger has been getting some flak here, and in the Press letters page as well. Bit of a ding dong. But let's remember what lies beneath the waves. Hundreds of car drivers were daily cocking a snoot at the Coppergate restrictions, and thereby disrupting the flow of buses and taxis.
ANPR technology is clearly more effective than an occasional police officer's visit. Before the technology was introduced, Council Officers would have taken internal and external advice on the legalities, then made their recommendations to elected Councillors. The Councillors are not themselves legal experts so must lean heavily upon the advice which they receive. That's what happened here.
The same advice would have gone to Councillors of other Parties if they had happened to be in control, and those Councillors would have similarly accepted it. So rather than staging a pre-election baying for blood, the present Opposition Councillors should perhaps support their Labour colleagues in seeking to get further clarification of the legal position. And at the end of the day, national Government must ensure that legal powers and advice are properly constructed, so that Local Authorities can use the benefits of ANPR enforcement without having to look over their shoulders all the time.
You sir are a delusional fool and just as guilty as the councillors for promoting anti car measures in York which has ultimately led to this fiasco.
Everybody understands that cycling suits your retired and living very close to town lifestyle, but you don't seem able to grasp the blindingly obvious fact that it doesn't suit everybody else's.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Oh dearie me. My doppleganger has been getting some flak here, and in the Press letters page as well. Bit of a ding dong. But let's remember what lies beneath the waves. Hundreds of car drivers were daily cocking a snoot at the Coppergate restrictions, and thereby disrupting the flow of buses and taxis. ANPR technology is clearly more effective than an occasional police officer's visit. Before the technology was introduced, Council Officers would have taken internal and external advice on the legalities, then made their recommendations to elected Councillors. The Councillors are not themselves legal experts so must lean heavily upon the advice which they receive. That's what happened here. The same advice would have gone to Councillors of other Parties if they had happened to be in control, and those Councillors would have similarly accepted it. So rather than staging a pre-election baying for blood, the present Opposition Councillors should perhaps support their Labour colleagues in seeking to get further clarification of the legal position. And at the end of the day, national Government must ensure that legal powers and advice are properly constructed, so that Local Authorities can use the benefits of ANPR enforcement without having to look over their shoulders all the time.[/p][/quote]You sir are a delusional fool and just as guilty as the councillors for promoting anti car measures in York which has ultimately led to this fiasco. Everybody understands that cycling suits your retired and living very close to town lifestyle, but you don't seem able to grasp the blindingly obvious fact that it doesn't suit everybody else's. NoNewsIsGoodNews
  • Score: -82

8:56am Wed 2 Apr 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

Badgers Drift's head must be spinning. Half the anti-council posts have massive +ve numbers and half have -ve numbers.

I can imagine the COYC home war room now:
Person 1: "Quick! They're onto us on the Press Comments section!"
Person 2: "Change some votes the other way!"
Person 1: "Good idea! They'll never know it was us!"
Badgers Drift's head must be spinning. Half the anti-council posts have massive +ve numbers and half have -ve numbers. I can imagine the COYC home war room now: Person 1: "Quick! They're onto us on the Press Comments section!" Person 2: "Change some votes the other way!" Person 1: "Good idea! They'll never know it was us!" AGuyFromStrensall
  • Score: -220

8:56am Wed 2 Apr 14

nearlyman says...

"We will clearly need to look at it very carefully and I will need to get legal and officers' advice to make the appropriate response."
Looks like it would have been better to get it before the fiasco
!
"We will clearly need to look at it very carefully and I will need to get legal and officers' advice to make the appropriate response." Looks like it would have been better to get it before the fiasco ! nearlyman
  • Score: -106

9:03am Wed 2 Apr 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

Do depressingly the upshot will be:

1. Bridge still closed
2. Council's resolve will be even higher to keep it closed after a setback
3. Hundreds of thousands of council tax payers money will be spent on a vanity project gone wrong...

eugh....
Do depressingly the upshot will be: 1. Bridge still closed 2. Council's resolve will be even higher to keep it closed after a setback 3. Hundreds of thousands of council tax payers money will be spent on a vanity project gone wrong... eugh.... AGuyFromStrensall
  • Score: -70

9:15am Wed 2 Apr 14

the original Homer says...

sonorbloke wrote:
ehbygum wrote:
let's see.... the bridge closure was about reducing traffic congestion and pollution in the town centre. Has this been forgotten?
The signage is perfectly clear. Anyone driving through in the restriction period surely can work out what would happen???
It isn't perfectly clear at all, hence why the adjudicator (the highest authority in the land in this area of expertise) has decided that it doesn't meet the required standards and that fines are not enforceable.

Even if the council do appeal it will end up on the desk of the man who made the decision that it isn't enforceable. That's going to go well, then.
The adjudicator did say the "fines" were invalid, but he didn't say the signs were sub-standard. He said the signs were bad to start with, but that they have been improved and are now good enough (just about). We might not all agree, but that was his decision.

He also said that the restrictions themselves were legal, and that the restrictions could be enforced, only not by using CCTV.

CCTV is allowable for bus lanes, but not for general traffic restrictions. Given that all the "fines" have been issued as a result of CCTV, then every one of the fines is invalid.

As you said, any appeals would (for now) be decided on the basis of the adjudicator's decision, so the "fines" wouldn't stand.

The Council aren't saying there is a higher authority within the appeals procedure, they are saying he made an error in law, and no-one is above the law. If they were able to prove that, then the fines would all become valid again.

The whole valid/invalid decision now rests on whether or not the restrictions constitute a "bus lane". The adjudicator said the number of exceptions meant they weren't bus lanes. The Council maintain they are bus lanes.

In my opinion, the Council are wrong, and the adjudicator will be proved right.

In the meantime, the Council seem to be continuing to issue "fines" and continuing to reject appeals, even though anyone appealing to the next level up will get their tickets cancelled. My stance is that this is a waste of public money. Even if they truly believe they are right, and the adjudicator is wrong, the Council should respect the latest decision and abide by it until such time as they prove their case.

Ultimately, they will lose (in my opinion) and all the fines (paid or not) will be ruled invalid. There will then be additional costs, writing to everyone with an outstanding fine, and ultimately (maybe through small claims procedures) refunding all the fines already paid.

By sticking to their guns, the Council are treating this like a game of poker, and upping the stakes with our money.

Maybe they are right to take this extra legal advice, even if the chances of them being right are negligible. Establishing the legal position to 100% rather than 99.9% may be the right thing to do. However, the decision on whether or not to suspend issuing tickets is separate, and that should be based on the probability of being right or wrong. The Council should acknowledge that what they are pursuing has only a thread of a chance of going in their favour, so they should suspend issuing tickets.
[quote][p][bold]sonorbloke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ehbygum[/bold] wrote: let's see.... the bridge closure was about reducing traffic congestion and pollution in the town centre. Has this been forgotten? The signage is perfectly clear. Anyone driving through in the restriction period surely can work out what would happen???[/p][/quote]It isn't perfectly clear at all, hence why the adjudicator (the highest authority in the land in this area of expertise) has decided that it doesn't meet the required standards and that fines are not enforceable. Even if the council do appeal it will end up on the desk of the man who made the decision that it isn't enforceable. That's going to go well, then.[/p][/quote]The adjudicator did say the "fines" were invalid, but he didn't say the signs were sub-standard. He said the signs were bad to start with, but that they have been improved and are now good enough (just about). We might not all agree, but that was his decision. He also said that the restrictions themselves were legal, and that the restrictions could be enforced, only not by using CCTV. CCTV is allowable for bus lanes, but not for general traffic restrictions. Given that all the "fines" have been issued as a result of CCTV, then every one of the fines is invalid. As you said, any appeals would (for now) be decided on the basis of the adjudicator's decision, so the "fines" wouldn't stand. The Council aren't saying there is a higher authority within the appeals procedure, they are saying he made an error in law, and no-one is above the law. If they were able to prove that, then the fines would all become valid again. The whole valid/invalid decision now rests on whether or not the restrictions constitute a "bus lane". The adjudicator said the number of exceptions meant they weren't bus lanes. The Council maintain they are bus lanes. In my opinion, the Council are wrong, and the adjudicator will be proved right. In the meantime, the Council seem to be continuing to issue "fines" and continuing to reject appeals, even though anyone appealing to the next level up will get their tickets cancelled. My stance is that this is a waste of public money. Even if they truly believe they are right, and the adjudicator is wrong, the Council should respect the latest decision and abide by it until such time as they prove their case. Ultimately, they will lose (in my opinion) and all the fines (paid or not) will be ruled invalid. There will then be additional costs, writing to everyone with an outstanding fine, and ultimately (maybe through small claims procedures) refunding all the fines already paid. By sticking to their guns, the Council are treating this like a game of poker, and upping the stakes with our money. Maybe they are right to take this extra legal advice, even if the chances of them being right are negligible. Establishing the legal position to 100% rather than 99.9% may be the right thing to do. However, the decision on whether or not to suspend issuing tickets is separate, and that should be based on the probability of being right or wrong. The Council should acknowledge that what they are pursuing has only a thread of a chance of going in their favour, so they should suspend issuing tickets. the original Homer
  • Score: -146

9:22am Wed 2 Apr 14

mutley12321 says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Oh dearie me. My doppleganger has been getting some flak here, and in the Press letters page as well. Bit of a ding dong. But let's remember what lies beneath the waves. Hundreds of car drivers were daily cocking a snoot at the Coppergate restrictions, and thereby disrupting the flow of buses and taxis.
ANPR technology is clearly more effective than an occasional police officer's visit. Before the technology was introduced, Council Officers would have taken internal and external advice on the legalities, then made their recommendations to elected Councillors. The Councillors are not themselves legal experts so must lean heavily upon the advice which they receive. That's what happened here.
The same advice would have gone to Councillors of other Parties if they had happened to be in control, and those Councillors would have similarly accepted it. So rather than staging a pre-election baying for blood, the present Opposition Councillors should perhaps support their Labour colleagues in seeking to get further clarification of the legal position. And at the end of the day, national Government must ensure that legal powers and advice are properly constructed, so that Local Authorities can use the benefits of ANPR enforcement without having to look over their shoulders all the time.
Morning Paul,

Classic misdirection there, you really should be a politician.

You claim council officers “would have taken internal and external advice on the legalities, then made their recommendations to elected Councillors”, clearly, this advice, whoever it came from was wrong, as has been proved. This advice was taken at Council Tax payer expense. For them to take more advice, again at our expense to try to defend their actions is contemptible. The council have made a pigs ear from this whole episode, at what point will they stop throwing good money after bad??

You suggest the opposition parties would have accepted the same advice – would they? How do you know? What are you basing this statement on? You seem remarkably well informed for someone who claims to have no political allegiance??

Regards,

Muttley
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Oh dearie me. My doppleganger has been getting some flak here, and in the Press letters page as well. Bit of a ding dong. But let's remember what lies beneath the waves. Hundreds of car drivers were daily cocking a snoot at the Coppergate restrictions, and thereby disrupting the flow of buses and taxis. ANPR technology is clearly more effective than an occasional police officer's visit. Before the technology was introduced, Council Officers would have taken internal and external advice on the legalities, then made their recommendations to elected Councillors. The Councillors are not themselves legal experts so must lean heavily upon the advice which they receive. That's what happened here. The same advice would have gone to Councillors of other Parties if they had happened to be in control, and those Councillors would have similarly accepted it. So rather than staging a pre-election baying for blood, the present Opposition Councillors should perhaps support their Labour colleagues in seeking to get further clarification of the legal position. And at the end of the day, national Government must ensure that legal powers and advice are properly constructed, so that Local Authorities can use the benefits of ANPR enforcement without having to look over their shoulders all the time.[/p][/quote]Morning Paul, Classic misdirection there, you really should be a politician. You claim council officers “would have taken internal and external advice on the legalities, then made their recommendations to elected Councillors”, clearly, this advice, whoever it came from was wrong, as has been proved. This advice was taken at Council Tax payer expense. For them to take more advice, again at our expense to try to defend their actions is contemptible. The council have made a pigs ear from this whole episode, at what point will they stop throwing good money after bad?? You suggest the opposition parties would have accepted the same advice – would they? How do you know? What are you basing this statement on? You seem remarkably well informed for someone who claims to have no political allegiance?? Regards, Muttley mutley12321
  • Score: -152

9:27am Wed 2 Apr 14

retribution says...

Madasanibbotson wrote:
Merrett, If you have a sliver of honour you will resign today.
Merrett? Honour?
oxymoron?
..... or just moron?
[quote][p][bold]Madasanibbotson[/bold] wrote: Merrett, If you have a sliver of honour you will resign today.[/p][/quote]Merrett? Honour? oxymoron? ..... or just moron? retribution
  • Score: -166

9:29am Wed 2 Apr 14

Meldrew2 says...

AnotherPointofView wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
courier46 wrote:
peter123456 wrote:
Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.
It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras.
Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it
The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other.

20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.
You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun?

On what basis is your article factual?
I've been driving for over 40 years and have a pretty good idea what spead cars are doing. I take it you either don't drive or have very little experience of driving?

Come back when you have!
How funny you are! If you have read any of my responses you will know I drive for a living. I think you are the novice.
In that case you have obviously been driving with your eyes closed!

If you can't estimate the speed of a car on the road you are a danger to yourself, your passengers and other road users! How do you ever get out at a junction I wonder?
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter123456[/bold] wrote: Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.[/p][/quote]It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras. Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it[/p][/quote]The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other. 20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.[/p][/quote]You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun? On what basis is your article factual?[/p][/quote]I've been driving for over 40 years and have a pretty good idea what spead cars are doing. I take it you either don't drive or have very little experience of driving? Come back when you have![/p][/quote]How funny you are! If you have read any of my responses you will know I drive for a living. I think you are the novice.[/p][/quote]In that case you have obviously been driving with your eyes closed! If you can't estimate the speed of a car on the road you are a danger to yourself, your passengers and other road users! How do you ever get out at a junction I wonder? Meldrew2
  • Score: -256

9:32am Wed 2 Apr 14

Theendoftheworld says...

Ann Reid is smiling very broadly - she must have got the word that the traffic lights are going to be manipulated for her again!
Ann Reid is smiling very broadly - she must have got the word that the traffic lights are going to be manipulated for her again! Theendoftheworld
  • Score: -82

10:04am Wed 2 Apr 14

northern belle says...

AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: AGuyFromStrensall, Who is getting stressed, other than the council, pedalling paul and YOU ?!!! :)))
Hey, I'm sat here trying to stifle a giggle at your getting your knickers in a twist (every day!) at something so inconsequential as the comments numbers on a local news website. How anyone could get stressed at something so simple is hilarious, you really need to get your life priorities straight,,,,
I can't agree with this...I find it quite disturbing that York Press seems not to "mind" that comments (likes/dislikes) on posts re CYC are always skewed which effectively means that those who wish to register their views in a simple yes/no way are being prevented from doing so in any meaningful manner. Taking paranoia right out of it, is it reasonable to accept that scores into the mid THOUSANDS are completely honestly posted???
[quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: AGuyFromStrensall, Who is getting stressed, other than the council, pedalling paul and YOU ?!!! :)))[/p][/quote]Hey, I'm sat here trying to stifle a giggle at your getting your knickers in a twist (every day!) at something so inconsequential as the comments numbers on a local news website. How anyone could get stressed at something so simple is hilarious, you really need to get your life priorities straight,,,,[/p][/quote]I can't agree with this...I find it quite disturbing that York Press seems not to "mind" that comments (likes/dislikes) on posts re CYC are always skewed which effectively means that those who wish to register their views in a simple yes/no way are being prevented from doing so in any meaningful manner. Taking paranoia right out of it, is it reasonable to accept that scores into the mid THOUSANDS are completely honestly posted??? northern belle
  • Score: -83

10:08am Wed 2 Apr 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

courier46 wrote:
peter123456 wrote: Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.
It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras. Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it
Moor lane should be 40mph. There are only houses on one side so no one crosses the road. Apart from a few Dog walkers who go to the loop. It has no reason to be 20mph or even 30mph. It has one corner that is not harsh and the rest is classed as straight.

When was the last time an accident happened on moor lane? as in my lifetime i can't remember a single incident.
[quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter123456[/bold] wrote: Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.[/p][/quote]It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras. Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it[/p][/quote]Moor lane should be 40mph. There are only houses on one side so no one crosses the road. Apart from a few Dog walkers who go to the loop. It has no reason to be 20mph or even 30mph. It has one corner that is not harsh and the rest is classed as straight. When was the last time an accident happened on moor lane? as in my lifetime i can't remember a single incident. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -218

10:09am Wed 2 Apr 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

northern belle wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: AGuyFromStrensall, Who is getting stressed, other than the council, pedalling paul and YOU ?!!! :)))
Hey, I'm sat here trying to stifle a giggle at your getting your knickers in a twist (every day!) at something so inconsequential as the comments numbers on a local news website. How anyone could get stressed at something so simple is hilarious, you really need to get your life priorities straight,,,,
I can't agree with this...I find it quite disturbing that York Press seems not to "mind" that comments (likes/dislikes) on posts re CYC are always skewed which effectively means that those who wish to register their views in a simple yes/no way are being prevented from doing so in any meaningful manner. Taking paranoia right out of it, is it reasonable to accept that scores into the mid THOUSANDS are completely honestly posted???
I don't think anyone is saying they are honestly posted, I'm just slightly pouring scorn on the fact there is some big council sponsored conspiracy...

Infrastructure change on (relatively) big company websites are not cheap (trust me, I deal with these things...) and is not easy.
They will have to pay for the change, the integration with their current software and probably for a new piece of software (whilst probably paying still for the support contract on the old one till it runs out).
Now combine that with the fact that Newsquest who runs the press will use this software across the country.... Well you see how the numbers are adding up to amounts that are not going to equal a quick change.
Sorry that sounds a bit negative but is unfortunately true.
[quote][p][bold]northern belle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: AGuyFromStrensall, Who is getting stressed, other than the council, pedalling paul and YOU ?!!! :)))[/p][/quote]Hey, I'm sat here trying to stifle a giggle at your getting your knickers in a twist (every day!) at something so inconsequential as the comments numbers on a local news website. How anyone could get stressed at something so simple is hilarious, you really need to get your life priorities straight,,,,[/p][/quote]I can't agree with this...I find it quite disturbing that York Press seems not to "mind" that comments (likes/dislikes) on posts re CYC are always skewed which effectively means that those who wish to register their views in a simple yes/no way are being prevented from doing so in any meaningful manner. Taking paranoia right out of it, is it reasonable to accept that scores into the mid THOUSANDS are completely honestly posted???[/p][/quote]I don't think anyone is saying they are honestly posted, I'm just slightly pouring scorn on the fact there is some big council sponsored conspiracy... Infrastructure change on (relatively) big company websites are not cheap (trust me, I deal with these things...) and is not easy. They will have to pay for the change, the integration with their current software and probably for a new piece of software (whilst probably paying still for the support contract on the old one till it runs out). Now combine that with the fact that Newsquest who runs the press will use this software across the country.... Well you see how the numbers are adding up to amounts that are not going to equal a quick change. Sorry that sounds a bit negative but is unfortunately true. AGuyFromStrensall
  • Score: -154

10:11am Wed 2 Apr 14

courier46 says...

Meldrew2 wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
courier46 wrote:
peter123456 wrote:
Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.
It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras.
Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it
The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other.

20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.
You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun?

On what basis is your article factual?
I've been driving for over 40 years and have a pretty good idea what spead cars are doing. I take it you either don't drive or have very little experience of driving?

Come back when you have!
How funny you are! If you have read any of my responses you will know I drive for a living. I think you are the novice.
In that case you have obviously been driving with your eyes closed!

If you can't estimate the speed of a car on the road you are a danger to yourself, your passengers and other road users! How do you ever get out at a junction I wonder?
I agree ,i`ve been driving over 30 years and deffo tell, when someone is driving too fast and without the use of a speed gun. There are some idiots who drive way too fast on Moor Lane which is quite a narrow Lane.
I also seem to be seeing more and more cyclists on the footpath going way too fast so i just think that there is no deterrent as people will always be arrogant and break the law unless there is something to stop them.Ps i also agree that a fair few are when the college leaves (but not all).
[quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter123456[/bold] wrote: Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.[/p][/quote]It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras. Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it[/p][/quote]The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other. 20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.[/p][/quote]You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun? On what basis is your article factual?[/p][/quote]I've been driving for over 40 years and have a pretty good idea what spead cars are doing. I take it you either don't drive or have very little experience of driving? Come back when you have![/p][/quote]How funny you are! If you have read any of my responses you will know I drive for a living. I think you are the novice.[/p][/quote]In that case you have obviously been driving with your eyes closed! If you can't estimate the speed of a car on the road you are a danger to yourself, your passengers and other road users! How do you ever get out at a junction I wonder?[/p][/quote]I agree ,i`ve been driving over 30 years and deffo tell, when someone is driving too fast and without the use of a speed gun. There are some idiots who drive way too fast on Moor Lane which is quite a narrow Lane. I also seem to be seeing more and more cyclists on the footpath going way too fast so i just think that there is no deterrent as people will always be arrogant and break the law unless there is something to stop them.Ps i also agree that a fair few are when the college leaves (but not all). courier46
  • Score: -118

10:16am Wed 2 Apr 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Meldrew2 wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
courier46 wrote:
peter123456 wrote: Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.
It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras. Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it
The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other. 20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.
You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun? On what basis is your article factual?
I've been driving for over 40 years and have a pretty good idea what spead cars are doing. I take it you either don't drive or have very little experience of driving? Come back when you have!
How funny you are! If you have read any of my responses you will know I drive for a living. I think you are the novice.
In that case you have obviously been driving with your eyes closed! If you can't estimate the speed of a car on the road you are a danger to yourself, your passengers and other road users! How do you ever get out at a junction I wonder?
Right so i will ask this... what makes a dangerous speed? i have lived on that road for the majority of my life. Poeple do not cross it. Accidents do not happen? so why do you care if someone is doing even 45mph? its a link to a ring road? and i'll say this driving a car at a speed and seeing an object pass at speed are 2 different things. Did any of these reckless speeders crash or cause danger? no? so get lost with your 20 is plenty cr@p down that area. Its a road with a path on one side with hardly any pedestrians crossing? 40mph is fine! then if you add on the % over you can go with the speed limit 43mph is a safe speed!!!! get a grip!
[quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter123456[/bold] wrote: Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.[/p][/quote]It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras. Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it[/p][/quote]The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other. 20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.[/p][/quote]You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun? On what basis is your article factual?[/p][/quote]I've been driving for over 40 years and have a pretty good idea what spead cars are doing. I take it you either don't drive or have very little experience of driving? Come back when you have![/p][/quote]How funny you are! If you have read any of my responses you will know I drive for a living. I think you are the novice.[/p][/quote]In that case you have obviously been driving with your eyes closed! If you can't estimate the speed of a car on the road you are a danger to yourself, your passengers and other road users! How do you ever get out at a junction I wonder?[/p][/quote]Right so i will ask this... what makes a dangerous speed? i have lived on that road for the majority of my life. Poeple do not cross it. Accidents do not happen? so why do you care if someone is doing even 45mph? its a link to a ring road? and i'll say this driving a car at a speed and seeing an object pass at speed are 2 different things. Did any of these reckless speeders crash or cause danger? no? so get lost with your 20 is plenty cr@p down that area. Its a road with a path on one side with hardly any pedestrians crossing? 40mph is fine! then if you add on the % over you can go with the speed limit 43mph is a safe speed!!!! get a grip! Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -74

10:19am Wed 2 Apr 14

mickeytops says...

Once again Merrett and his cabinett make a balls up. Resign now you Pratt. All you have done since you have been in office is make a constant Success ( yes success) of wasting our hard earned money on your stupid ideas, did you not find all this information out before you started this idiotic idea. If everyone gets there money back, which you should now return our council will be out of pocket by about 1 million pounds. If you were in a normal job you would have just been sacked.
RESIGN you idiot MERRETT, you can then sign on as no one will ever give you a job PRATT.
Once again Merrett and his cabinett make a balls up. Resign now you Pratt. All you have done since you have been in office is make a constant Success ( yes success) of wasting our hard earned money on your stupid ideas, did you not find all this information out before you started this idiotic idea. If everyone gets there money back, which you should now return our council will be out of pocket by about 1 million pounds. If you were in a normal job you would have just been sacked. RESIGN you idiot MERRETT, you can then sign on as no one will ever give you a job PRATT. mickeytops
  • Score: -131

10:21am Wed 2 Apr 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

courier46 wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
courier46 wrote:
peter123456 wrote: Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.
It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras. Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it
The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other. 20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.
You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun? On what basis is your article factual?
I've been driving for over 40 years and have a pretty good idea what spead cars are doing. I take it you either don't drive or have very little experience of driving? Come back when you have!
How funny you are! If you have read any of my responses you will know I drive for a living. I think you are the novice.
In that case you have obviously been driving with your eyes closed! If you can't estimate the speed of a car on the road you are a danger to yourself, your passengers and other road users! How do you ever get out at a junction I wonder?
I agree ,i`ve been driving over 30 years and deffo tell, when someone is driving too fast and without the use of a speed gun. There are some idiots who drive way too fast on Moor Lane which is quite a narrow Lane. I also seem to be seeing more and more cyclists on the footpath going way too fast so i just think that there is no deterrent as people will always be arrogant and break the law unless there is something to stop them.Ps i also agree that a fair few are when the college leaves (but not all).
where is it narrow??? if you lined 3 cars along side they would fit down every section of that road! some places even 4 would! hence when cars are parked at the top end of it both directions can still pass.... oh now you pick up on cyclists going way to fast... lets just make it walking speed only down there.... i mean there is only a cycle path starting at eden closed and then a joining one futher down.
[quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter123456[/bold] wrote: Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.[/p][/quote]It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras. Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it[/p][/quote]The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other. 20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.[/p][/quote]You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun? On what basis is your article factual?[/p][/quote]I've been driving for over 40 years and have a pretty good idea what spead cars are doing. I take it you either don't drive or have very little experience of driving? Come back when you have![/p][/quote]How funny you are! If you have read any of my responses you will know I drive for a living. I think you are the novice.[/p][/quote]In that case you have obviously been driving with your eyes closed! If you can't estimate the speed of a car on the road you are a danger to yourself, your passengers and other road users! How do you ever get out at a junction I wonder?[/p][/quote]I agree ,i`ve been driving over 30 years and deffo tell, when someone is driving too fast and without the use of a speed gun. There are some idiots who drive way too fast on Moor Lane which is quite a narrow Lane. I also seem to be seeing more and more cyclists on the footpath going way too fast so i just think that there is no deterrent as people will always be arrogant and break the law unless there is something to stop them.Ps i also agree that a fair few are when the college leaves (but not all).[/p][/quote]where is it narrow??? if you lined 3 cars along side they would fit down every section of that road! some places even 4 would! hence when cars are parked at the top end of it both directions can still pass.... oh now you pick up on cyclists going way to fast... lets just make it walking speed only down there.... i mean there is only a cycle path starting at eden closed and then a joining one futher down. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -119

10:21am Wed 2 Apr 14

alanyork says...

HOO-RAY CUT THE BULL AND RESUME NORMAL SERVICE-------------
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COYC + DICK TURPIN ARE DEAD----------------
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LENDAL BRIDGE BELONGS TO EVERYONE--GIVE IT BACK RIGHT NOW
HOO-RAY CUT THE BULL AND RESUME NORMAL SERVICE------------- -------- COYC + DICK TURPIN ARE DEAD---------------- -------------------- -------------------- - LENDAL BRIDGE BELONGS TO EVERYONE--GIVE IT BACK RIGHT NOW alanyork
  • Score: -154

10:36am Wed 2 Apr 14

HoofHearteds says...

Calm down! It's just an opinion by some mid section adjudication pen pusher. The fact of the matter is, the bridge closure has reduced pollution, waiting times and congestion and at the worst, we will just install rising bollards that allow vehicles that are allowed over by electronic access.

The Bridge will remain closed and frust and gust will continue to flow from the minority on here.
Calm down! It's just an opinion by some mid section adjudication pen pusher. The fact of the matter is, the bridge closure has reduced pollution, waiting times and congestion and at the worst, we will just install rising bollards that allow vehicles that are allowed over by electronic access. The Bridge will remain closed and frust and gust will continue to flow from the minority on here. HoofHearteds
  • Score: -88

10:36am Wed 2 Apr 14

long distance depressive says...

Justin7 wrote:
This is a terrible decision, made just a day after the UN report that global warming is going to result in the country being entirely flooded in the next decade until we stop driving petrol cars.

Merrit is a hero for trying to save this city from the tragic horror that could happen to our city with cars everywhere.

Protect York. Make it entirely petrol vehicle free!
Now then Mrs Merrit, please don't interfere.
[quote][p][bold]Justin7[/bold] wrote: This is a terrible decision, made just a day after the UN report that global warming is going to result in the country being entirely flooded in the next decade until we stop driving petrol cars. Merrit is a hero for trying to save this city from the tragic horror that could happen to our city with cars everywhere. Protect York. Make it entirely petrol vehicle free![/p][/quote]Now then Mrs Merrit, please don't interfere. long distance depressive
  • Score: -101

10:44am Wed 2 Apr 14

Dave Ruddock says...

how the hell did moor land get into this discussion, also hope merrett and alexander have deep pockets as this resident will not pay extra (TAX) for a ruling made by incompetent council officials who run a Council that cant get all int departments to get the same massage. wonders if they are fit for purpose as it seems not.
and Merrett getting involved in other (Very Short Sighted) comments on further bridges on the River Foss
NO Confidence in Politicians and the Labour Party on this council.
how the hell did moor land get into this discussion, also hope merrett and alexander have deep pockets as this resident will not pay extra (TAX) for a ruling made by incompetent council officials who run a Council that cant get all int departments to get the same massage. wonders if they are fit for purpose as it seems not. and Merrett getting involved in other (Very Short Sighted) comments on further bridges on the River Foss NO Confidence in Politicians and the Labour Party on this council. Dave Ruddock
  • Score: -165

10:45am Wed 2 Apr 14

long distance depressive says...

What-a-joke-they-are wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/uk-england-yor

k-north-yorkshire-26

841421

this council is a national disgrace
National disgrace or National Laughing stock? (or both!?).
[quote][p][bold]What-a-joke-they-are[/bold] wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-yor k-north-yorkshire-26 841421 this council is a national disgrace[/p][/quote]National disgrace or National Laughing stock? (or both!?). long distance depressive
  • Score: -121

10:51am Wed 2 Apr 14

long distance depressive says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
Warren Z wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Osbaldwick Lad wrote:
If Labour is going to have any involvement in the running of this City after the next elections I feel that the Party itself should take some appropriate action. If I were to vote Labour I would expect at least any Labour Councillor involved in this fiasco who has not resigned should at least be de-selected and a fresh candidate put in place.
The sad thing is so many of the councillors are in safe seats so no matter when madness they get up to they are not going to be turfed out.
However Merret has the smallest margin in his ward so fingers crossed!
If only Labour voters had to sign their name rather than making a cross on the voting form.
I will vote Labour at the next election merely to keep the Tories and the ToryLibDems out. I don't mind you knowing it.
Morning Mr Ostrich.
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Warren Z[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Osbaldwick Lad[/bold] wrote: If Labour is going to have any involvement in the running of this City after the next elections I feel that the Party itself should take some appropriate action. If I were to vote Labour I would expect at least any Labour Councillor involved in this fiasco who has not resigned should at least be de-selected and a fresh candidate put in place.[/p][/quote]The sad thing is so many of the councillors are in safe seats so no matter when madness they get up to they are not going to be turfed out. However Merret has the smallest margin in his ward so fingers crossed![/p][/quote]If only Labour voters had to sign their name rather than making a cross on the voting form.[/p][/quote]I will vote Labour at the next election merely to keep the Tories and the ToryLibDems out. I don't mind you knowing it.[/p][/quote]Morning Mr Ostrich. long distance depressive
  • Score: -119

11:02am Wed 2 Apr 14

Pinza-C55 says...

long distance depressive wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Warren Z wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Osbaldwick Lad wrote:
If Labour is going to have any involvement in the running of this City after the next elections I feel that the Party itself should take some appropriate action. If I were to vote Labour I would expect at least any Labour Councillor involved in this fiasco who has not resigned should at least be de-selected and a fresh candidate put in place.
The sad thing is so many of the councillors are in safe seats so no matter when madness they get up to they are not going to be turfed out.
However Merret has the smallest margin in his ward so fingers crossed!
If only Labour voters had to sign their name rather than making a cross on the voting form.
I will vote Labour at the next election merely to keep the Tories and the ToryLibDems out. I don't mind you knowing it.
Morning Mr Ostrich.
Do you have an intelligent comment to make or is that it ?
[quote][p][bold]long distance depressive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Warren Z[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Osbaldwick Lad[/bold] wrote: If Labour is going to have any involvement in the running of this City after the next elections I feel that the Party itself should take some appropriate action. If I were to vote Labour I would expect at least any Labour Councillor involved in this fiasco who has not resigned should at least be de-selected and a fresh candidate put in place.[/p][/quote]The sad thing is so many of the councillors are in safe seats so no matter when madness they get up to they are not going to be turfed out. However Merret has the smallest margin in his ward so fingers crossed![/p][/quote]If only Labour voters had to sign their name rather than making a cross on the voting form.[/p][/quote]I will vote Labour at the next election merely to keep the Tories and the ToryLibDems out. I don't mind you knowing it.[/p][/quote]Morning Mr Ostrich.[/p][/quote]Do you have an intelligent comment to make or is that it ? Pinza-C55
  • Score: -108

11:10am Wed 2 Apr 14

courier46 says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
courier46 wrote:
peter123456 wrote: Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.
It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras. Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it
The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other. 20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.
You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun? On what basis is your article factual?
I've been driving for over 40 years and have a pretty good idea what spead cars are doing. I take it you either don't drive or have very little experience of driving? Come back when you have!
How funny you are! If you have read any of my responses you will know I drive for a living. I think you are the novice.
In that case you have obviously been driving with your eyes closed! If you can't estimate the speed of a car on the road you are a danger to yourself, your passengers and other road users! How do you ever get out at a junction I wonder?
Right so i will ask this... what makes a dangerous speed? i have lived on that road for the majority of my life. Poeple do not cross it. Accidents do not happen? so why do you care if someone is doing even 45mph? its a link to a ring road? and i'll say this driving a car at a speed and seeing an object pass at speed are 2 different things. Did any of these reckless speeders crash or cause danger? no? so get lost with your 20 is plenty cr@p down that area. Its a road with a path on one side with hardly any pedestrians crossing? 40mph is fine! then if you add on the % over you can go with the speed limit 43mph is a safe speed!!!! get a grip!
You are one the exact drivers that dont care about anybody and quite clearly dont pay attention as there are paths on both sides of the road on the section between Moorcroft Rd and Tadcaster Rd roundabout.I dont want a blanket 20mph but if 95 per cent are getting it why shouldn`t the residents feel safe when walking with there children or grandchildren.It is just not the road is quite narrow also the paths are and 40mph is deft not acceptable.
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter123456[/bold] wrote: Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.[/p][/quote]It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras. Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it[/p][/quote]The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other. 20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.[/p][/quote]You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun? On what basis is your article factual?[/p][/quote]I've been driving for over 40 years and have a pretty good idea what spead cars are doing. I take it you either don't drive or have very little experience of driving? Come back when you have![/p][/quote]How funny you are! If you have read any of my responses you will know I drive for a living. I think you are the novice.[/p][/quote]In that case you have obviously been driving with your eyes closed! If you can't estimate the speed of a car on the road you are a danger to yourself, your passengers and other road users! How do you ever get out at a junction I wonder?[/p][/quote]Right so i will ask this... what makes a dangerous speed? i have lived on that road for the majority of my life. Poeple do not cross it. Accidents do not happen? so why do you care if someone is doing even 45mph? its a link to a ring road? and i'll say this driving a car at a speed and seeing an object pass at speed are 2 different things. Did any of these reckless speeders crash or cause danger? no? so get lost with your 20 is plenty cr@p down that area. Its a road with a path on one side with hardly any pedestrians crossing? 40mph is fine! then if you add on the % over you can go with the speed limit 43mph is a safe speed!!!! get a grip![/p][/quote]You are one the exact drivers that dont care about anybody and quite clearly dont pay attention as there are paths on both sides of the road on the section between Moorcroft Rd and Tadcaster Rd roundabout.I dont want a blanket 20mph but if 95 per cent are getting it why shouldn`t the residents feel safe when walking with there children or grandchildren.It is just not the road is quite narrow also the paths are and 40mph is deft not acceptable. courier46
  • Score: -72

11:21am Wed 2 Apr 14

courier46 says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
courier46 wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
courier46 wrote:
peter123456 wrote: Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.
It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras. Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it
The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other. 20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.
You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun? On what basis is your article factual?
I've been driving for over 40 years and have a pretty good idea what spead cars are doing. I take it you either don't drive or have very little experience of driving? Come back when you have!
How funny you are! If you have read any of my responses you will know I drive for a living. I think you are the novice.
In that case you have obviously been driving with your eyes closed! If you can't estimate the speed of a car on the road you are a danger to yourself, your passengers and other road users! How do you ever get out at a junction I wonder?
I agree ,i`ve been driving over 30 years and deffo tell, when someone is driving too fast and without the use of a speed gun. There are some idiots who drive way too fast on Moor Lane which is quite a narrow Lane. I also seem to be seeing more and more cyclists on the footpath going way too fast so i just think that there is no deterrent as people will always be arrogant and break the law unless there is something to stop them.Ps i also agree that a fair few are when the college leaves (but not all).
where is it narrow??? if you lined 3 cars along side they would fit down every section of that road! some places even 4 would! hence when cars are parked at the top end of it both directions can still pass.... oh now you pick up on cyclists going way to fast... lets just make it walking speed only down there.... i mean there is only a cycle path starting at eden closed and then a joining one futher down.
You must be a troll because the rubbish you come out with cannot be real,do you really not care about people riding on paths at speed? people that could hit and badly injure someone ,a child or elderly person in hospital.What has the cycle path at Eden got to do with it?,presume you live in the top end,Moor Lane is quite long you know and narrow enough to stop the traffic when a car is parked unless you are one of the ones that force your way through.
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter123456[/bold] wrote: Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.[/p][/quote]It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras. Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it[/p][/quote]The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other. 20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.[/p][/quote]You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun? On what basis is your article factual?[/p][/quote]I've been driving for over 40 years and have a pretty good idea what spead cars are doing. I take it you either don't drive or have very little experience of driving? Come back when you have![/p][/quote]How funny you are! If you have read any of my responses you will know I drive for a living. I think you are the novice.[/p][/quote]In that case you have obviously been driving with your eyes closed! If you can't estimate the speed of a car on the road you are a danger to yourself, your passengers and other road users! How do you ever get out at a junction I wonder?[/p][/quote]I agree ,i`ve been driving over 30 years and deffo tell, when someone is driving too fast and without the use of a speed gun. There are some idiots who drive way too fast on Moor Lane which is quite a narrow Lane. I also seem to be seeing more and more cyclists on the footpath going way too fast so i just think that there is no deterrent as people will always be arrogant and break the law unless there is something to stop them.Ps i also agree that a fair few are when the college leaves (but not all).[/p][/quote]where is it narrow??? if you lined 3 cars along side they would fit down every section of that road! some places even 4 would! hence when cars are parked at the top end of it both directions can still pass.... oh now you pick up on cyclists going way to fast... lets just make it walking speed only down there.... i mean there is only a cycle path starting at eden closed and then a joining one futher down.[/p][/quote]You must be a troll because the rubbish you come out with cannot be real,do you really not care about people riding on paths at speed? people that could hit and badly injure someone ,a child or elderly person in hospital.What has the cycle path at Eden got to do with it?,presume you live in the top end,Moor Lane is quite long you know and narrow enough to stop the traffic when a car is parked unless you are one of the ones that force your way through. courier46
  • Score: -116

11:21am Wed 2 Apr 14

asd says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
long distance depressive wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Warren Z wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Osbaldwick Lad wrote:
If Labour is going to have any involvement in the running of this City after the next elections I feel that the Party itself should take some appropriate action. If I were to vote Labour I would expect at least any Labour Councillor involved in this fiasco who has not resigned should at least be de-selected and a fresh candidate put in place.
The sad thing is so many of the councillors are in safe seats so no matter when madness they get up to they are not going to be turfed out.
However Merret has the smallest margin in his ward so fingers crossed!
If only Labour voters had to sign their name rather than making a cross on the voting form.
I will vote Labour at the next election merely to keep the Tories and the ToryLibDems out. I don't mind you knowing it.
Morning Mr Ostrich.
Do you have an intelligent comment to make or is that it ?
I get the point obviously you dont. You obviously forgot about previous Lib decisions like FSR, Barbican, swimimng pools, etc. Local parties do not act in the best interests of the communities in my opinion. Maybe they should make people put there names on ballot sheet for coalition government, oh yes that one that was not on the ballot sheet!!
Happy WORLD AUTISM DAY
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]long distance depressive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Warren Z[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Osbaldwick Lad[/bold] wrote: If Labour is going to have any involvement in the running of this City after the next elections I feel that the Party itself should take some appropriate action. If I were to vote Labour I would expect at least any Labour Councillor involved in this fiasco who has not resigned should at least be de-selected and a fresh candidate put in place.[/p][/quote]The sad thing is so many of the councillors are in safe seats so no matter when madness they get up to they are not going to be turfed out. However Merret has the smallest margin in his ward so fingers crossed![/p][/quote]If only Labour voters had to sign their name rather than making a cross on the voting form.[/p][/quote]I will vote Labour at the next election merely to keep the Tories and the ToryLibDems out. I don't mind you knowing it.[/p][/quote]Morning Mr Ostrich.[/p][/quote]Do you have an intelligent comment to make or is that it ?[/p][/quote]I get the point obviously you dont. You obviously forgot about previous Lib decisions like FSR, Barbican, swimimng pools, etc. Local parties do not act in the best interests of the communities in my opinion. Maybe they should make people put there names on ballot sheet for coalition government, oh yes that one that was not on the ballot sheet!! Happy WORLD AUTISM DAY asd
  • Score: -299

11:33am Wed 2 Apr 14

m dee says...

HoofHearteds wrote:
Calm down! It's just an opinion by some mid section adjudication pen pusher. The fact of the matter is, the bridge closure has reduced pollution, waiting times and congestion and at the worst, we will just install rising bollards that allow vehicles that are allowed over by electronic access.

The Bridge will remain closed and frust and gust will continue to flow from the minority on here.
Oh that's cleared things up then so we don't need to worry about the legal experts advising all the motorists the penalty charges were illegal and claim for reimbursement,good idea lets get one of those rising bollards and soon as its out of action see how far back the the line of buses/taxis /mail vans/road train goes ,you've really thought that one through.
[quote][p][bold]HoofHearteds[/bold] wrote: Calm down! It's just an opinion by some mid section adjudication pen pusher. The fact of the matter is, the bridge closure has reduced pollution, waiting times and congestion and at the worst, we will just install rising bollards that allow vehicles that are allowed over by electronic access. The Bridge will remain closed and frust and gust will continue to flow from the minority on here.[/p][/quote]Oh that's cleared things up then so we don't need to worry about the legal experts advising all the motorists the penalty charges were illegal and claim for reimbursement,good idea lets get one of those rising bollards and soon as its out of action see how far back the the line of buses/taxis /mail vans/road train goes ,you've really thought that one through. m dee
  • Score: -202

11:34am Wed 2 Apr 14

pedalling paul says...

NoNewsIsGoodNews wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Oh dearie me. My doppleganger has been getting some flak here, and in the Press letters page as well. Bit of a ding dong. But let's remember what lies beneath the waves. Hundreds of car drivers were daily cocking a snoot at the Coppergate restrictions, and thereby disrupting the flow of buses and taxis.
ANPR technology is clearly more effective than an occasional police officer's visit. Before the technology was introduced, Council Officers would have taken internal and external advice on the legalities, then made their recommendations to elected Councillors. The Councillors are not themselves legal experts so must lean heavily upon the advice which they receive. That's what happened here.
The same advice would have gone to Councillors of other Parties if they had happened to be in control, and those Councillors would have similarly accepted it. So rather than staging a pre-election baying for blood, the present Opposition Councillors should perhaps support their Labour colleagues in seeking to get further clarification of the legal position. And at the end of the day, national Government must ensure that legal powers and advice are properly constructed, so that Local Authorities can use the benefits of ANPR enforcement without having to look over their shoulders all the time.
You sir are a delusional fool and just as guilty as the councillors for promoting anti car measures in York which has ultimately led to this fiasco.
Everybody understands that cycling suits your retired and living very close to town lifestyle, but you don't seem able to grasp the blindingly obvious fact that it doesn't suit everybody else's.
Have you considered that, if I live close to town as you suggest, then by choosing to cycle for many of my local journeys, I am not using excessive road space which leaves more for those who genuinely need to use a car.

The advice that York requested will most likely have come from Government/national agencies who set the rules for ANPR enforcement and signage

Instead of baying for blood, it would be more sensible to lean on our local MP's to urgently seek clarification, not just for York's sake but for all Local Authorities.

There is absolutely no doubt that without the past measures taken by various CoYC administrations, York would already be experiencing real gridlock, rather than by the forecast date of 2031-ish. If one issue should be above party politics it is transport planning. Cross party support for the goals of York's current Local Transport Plan is the only option ie to further reduce car dependancy. That's not anti-car, but pro those who need rather than want to drive around the City.
[quote][p][bold]NoNewsIsGoodNews[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Oh dearie me. My doppleganger has been getting some flak here, and in the Press letters page as well. Bit of a ding dong. But let's remember what lies beneath the waves. Hundreds of car drivers were daily cocking a snoot at the Coppergate restrictions, and thereby disrupting the flow of buses and taxis. ANPR technology is clearly more effective than an occasional police officer's visit. Before the technology was introduced, Council Officers would have taken internal and external advice on the legalities, then made their recommendations to elected Councillors. The Councillors are not themselves legal experts so must lean heavily upon the advice which they receive. That's what happened here. The same advice would have gone to Councillors of other Parties if they had happened to be in control, and those Councillors would have similarly accepted it. So rather than staging a pre-election baying for blood, the present Opposition Councillors should perhaps support their Labour colleagues in seeking to get further clarification of the legal position. And at the end of the day, national Government must ensure that legal powers and advice are properly constructed, so that Local Authorities can use the benefits of ANPR enforcement without having to look over their shoulders all the time.[/p][/quote]You sir are a delusional fool and just as guilty as the councillors for promoting anti car measures in York which has ultimately led to this fiasco. Everybody understands that cycling suits your retired and living very close to town lifestyle, but you don't seem able to grasp the blindingly obvious fact that it doesn't suit everybody else's.[/p][/quote]Have you considered that, if I live close to town as you suggest, then by choosing to cycle for many of my local journeys, I am not using excessive road space which leaves more for those who genuinely need to use a car. The advice that York requested will most likely have come from Government/national agencies who set the rules for ANPR enforcement and signage Instead of baying for blood, it would be more sensible to lean on our local MP's to urgently seek clarification, not just for York's sake but for all Local Authorities. There is absolutely no doubt that without the past measures taken by various CoYC administrations, York would already be experiencing real gridlock, rather than by the forecast date of 2031-ish. If one issue should be above party politics it is transport planning. Cross party support for the goals of York's current Local Transport Plan is the only option ie to further reduce car dependancy. That's not anti-car, but pro those who need rather than want to drive around the City. pedalling paul
  • Score: -76

11:40am Wed 2 Apr 14

Sage9 says...

Can anyone tell me the date of the meeting where TLS was chairing, referred to above?
Can anyone tell me the date of the meeting where TLS was chairing, referred to above? Sage9
  • Score: -122

11:43am Wed 2 Apr 14

Mister Matosis says...

Can anyone explain why yesterday's comments received thousands of scores overnight!?
Can anyone explain why yesterday's comments received thousands of scores overnight!? Mister Matosis
  • Score: -79

11:49am Wed 2 Apr 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

Mister Matosis wrote:
Can anyone explain why yesterday's comments received thousands of scores overnight!?
Because some wag thinks it's hilarious to use deleting cookies to vote many many times. I've pushed for people to ignore it as it's just encouraging them, but apparently there is a council conspiracy afoot so it won't stop soon...
[quote][p][bold]Mister Matosis[/bold] wrote: Can anyone explain why yesterday's comments received thousands of scores overnight!?[/p][/quote]Because some wag thinks it's hilarious to use deleting cookies to vote many many times. I've pushed for people to ignore it as it's just encouraging them, but apparently there is a council conspiracy afoot so it won't stop soon... AGuyFromStrensall
  • Score: -83

11:55am Wed 2 Apr 14

Kevin Turvey says...

‘courier46 says...
people that could hit and badly injure someone ,a child or elderly person in hospital.’

How is it possible to hit ‘a child or elderly person in hospital’ with a car?
Is there room to drive down the hospital corridors?


PS
Has anybody resigned yet?
If not why not?
‘courier46 says... people that could hit and badly injure someone ,a child or elderly person in hospital.’ How is it possible to hit ‘a child or elderly person in hospital’ with a car? Is there room to drive down the hospital corridors? PS Has anybody resigned yet? If not why not? Kevin Turvey
  • Score: -39

11:57am Wed 2 Apr 14

HoofHearteds says...

m dee Wrote:
"and soon as its out of action see how far back the the line of buses/taxis /mail vans/road train goes"

The The? As i said calm down lol Although TheThe were a great band. Especially the Beaten generation song. It went, "The beaten generation reared on a diet of prejudice and misinformation, open your eyes, open your imagination"
m dee Wrote: "and soon as its out of action see how far back the the line of buses/taxis /mail vans/road train goes" The The? As i said calm down lol Although TheThe were a great band. Especially the Beaten generation song. It went, "The beaten generation reared on a diet of prejudice and misinformation, open your eyes, open your imagination" HoofHearteds
  • Score: -35

11:58am Wed 2 Apr 14

jay, york says...

HoofHearteds wrote:
Calm down! It's just an opinion by some mid section adjudication pen pusher. The fact of the matter is, the bridge closure has reduced pollution, waiting times and congestion and at the worst, we will just install rising bollards that allow vehicles that are allowed over by electronic access. The Bridge will remain closed and frust and gust will continue to flow from the minority on here.
So a labour counciller finally says something about this huge fiasco ......... They are clearly on another planet!
[quote][p][bold]HoofHearteds[/bold] wrote: Calm down! It's just an opinion by some mid section adjudication pen pusher. The fact of the matter is, the bridge closure has reduced pollution, waiting times and congestion and at the worst, we will just install rising bollards that allow vehicles that are allowed over by electronic access. The Bridge will remain closed and frust and gust will continue to flow from the minority on here.[/p][/quote]So a labour counciller finally says something about this huge fiasco ......... They are clearly on another planet! jay, york
  • Score: -148

11:58am Wed 2 Apr 14

again says...

The UK is experiencing heavy pollution today, much of it is caused by NO2 emissions (from vehicles not commenters!). Apparently for more than 15 years the UK has failed to reduce nitrogen dioxide (NO2) air pollution levels and is now facing legal proceedings within the EU.

We are a car economy; presumably wealth beats health. Any attempts to reduce car use faces stiff opposition from lobbyists.

There is also the issue of climate change that is shoved into a corner. Apparently the BBC is facing criticism for giving opinions the same weight of credence as the findings of genuine scientists. The huge majority of the latter find that climate change is caused by human activity.

We face increasingly frequent spells of severe weather but there is nothing we can do about it because of our own foolishness and short sighted self-interest. That is all there is to it, welcome to the world of the dinosaurs!
The UK is experiencing heavy pollution today, much of it is caused by NO2 emissions (from vehicles not commenters!). Apparently for more than 15 years the UK has failed to reduce nitrogen dioxide (NO2) air pollution levels and is now facing legal proceedings within the EU. We are a car economy; presumably wealth beats health. Any attempts to reduce car use faces stiff opposition from lobbyists. There is also the issue of climate change that is shoved into a corner. Apparently the BBC is facing criticism for giving opinions the same weight of credence as the findings of genuine scientists. The huge majority of the latter find that climate change is caused by human activity. We face increasingly frequent spells of severe weather but there is nothing we can do about it because of our own foolishness and short sighted self-interest. That is all there is to it, welcome to the world of the dinosaurs! again
  • Score: -79

12:00pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Pinza-C55 says...

asd wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
long distance depressive wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Warren Z wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Osbaldwick Lad wrote:
If Labour is going to have any involvement in the running of this City after the next elections I feel that the Party itself should take some appropriate action. If I were to vote Labour I would expect at least any Labour Councillor involved in this fiasco who has not resigned should at least be de-selected and a fresh candidate put in place.
The sad thing is so many of the councillors are in safe seats so no matter when madness they get up to they are not going to be turfed out.
However Merret has the smallest margin in his ward so fingers crossed!
If only Labour voters had to sign their name rather than making a cross on the voting form.
I will vote Labour at the next election merely to keep the Tories and the ToryLibDems out. I don't mind you knowing it.
Morning Mr Ostrich.
Do you have an intelligent comment to make or is that it ?
I get the point obviously you dont. You obviously forgot about previous Lib decisions like FSR, Barbican, swimimng pools, etc. Local parties do not act in the best interests of the communities in my opinion. Maybe they should make people put there names on ballot sheet for coalition government, oh yes that one that was not on the ballot sheet!!
Happy WORLD AUTISM DAY
"I get the point obviously you dont."
If you "got the point" then you are obviously incapable of explaining it.
"You obviously forgot about previous Lib decisions like FSR, Barbican, swimimng pools, etc."
No I didn't. Please don't strawman me. The Liberal council were a shambles.
The current Labour council are a shambles. In the unlikely event of the Tories being elected, their council would be a shambles.
I base my views on a mixture of political parties policy at the local and national level. All 3 parties are various versions of the Tory party but Labour are the least Tory of the lot so that's why, if I cast my vote which is essentially worthless, I will cast it for Labour. If a Labour canvasser comes round I will tell them this to their face. I realise this may be difficult for you to understand but if you try you can probably manage it.
"Maybe they should make people put there names on ballot sheet for coalition government, oh yes that one that was not on the ballot sheet!! "
Finally something we can agree on Tory = Liberal = Tory.
Suppose you tell me which way you will vote and why?
[quote][p][bold]asd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]long distance depressive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Warren Z[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Osbaldwick Lad[/bold] wrote: If Labour is going to have any involvement in the running of this City after the next elections I feel that the Party itself should take some appropriate action. If I were to vote Labour I would expect at least any Labour Councillor involved in this fiasco who has not resigned should at least be de-selected and a fresh candidate put in place.[/p][/quote]The sad thing is so many of the councillors are in safe seats so no matter when madness they get up to they are not going to be turfed out. However Merret has the smallest margin in his ward so fingers crossed![/p][/quote]If only Labour voters had to sign their name rather than making a cross on the voting form.[/p][/quote]I will vote Labour at the next election merely to keep the Tories and the ToryLibDems out. I don't mind you knowing it.[/p][/quote]Morning Mr Ostrich.[/p][/quote]Do you have an intelligent comment to make or is that it ?[/p][/quote]I get the point obviously you dont. You obviously forgot about previous Lib decisions like FSR, Barbican, swimimng pools, etc. Local parties do not act in the best interests of the communities in my opinion. Maybe they should make people put there names on ballot sheet for coalition government, oh yes that one that was not on the ballot sheet!! Happy WORLD AUTISM DAY[/p][/quote]"I get the point obviously you dont." If you "got the point" then you are obviously incapable of explaining it. "You obviously forgot about previous Lib decisions like FSR, Barbican, swimimng pools, etc." No I didn't. Please don't strawman me. The Liberal council were a shambles. The current Labour council are a shambles. In the unlikely event of the Tories being elected, their council would be a shambles. I base my views on a mixture of political parties policy at the local and national level. All 3 parties are various versions of the Tory party but Labour are the least Tory of the lot so that's why, if I cast my vote which is essentially worthless, I will cast it for Labour. If a Labour canvasser comes round I will tell them this to their face. I realise this may be difficult for you to understand but if you try you can probably manage it. "Maybe they should make people put there names on ballot sheet for coalition government, oh yes that one that was not on the ballot sheet!! " Finally something we can agree on Tory = Liberal = Tory. Suppose you tell me which way you will vote and why? Pinza-C55
  • Score: -247

12:02pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Pinza-C55 says...

again wrote:
The UK is experiencing heavy pollution today, much of it is caused by NO2 emissions (from vehicles not commenters!). Apparently for more than 15 years the UK has failed to reduce nitrogen dioxide (NO2) air pollution levels and is now facing legal proceedings within the EU.

We are a car economy; presumably wealth beats health. Any attempts to reduce car use faces stiff opposition from lobbyists.

There is also the issue of climate change that is shoved into a corner. Apparently the BBC is facing criticism for giving opinions the same weight of credence as the findings of genuine scientists. The huge majority of the latter find that climate change is caused by human activity.

We face increasingly frequent spells of severe weather but there is nothing we can do about it because of our own foolishness and short sighted self-interest. That is all there is to it, welcome to the world of the dinosaurs!
So you don't own a car ?
[quote][p][bold]again[/bold] wrote: The UK is experiencing heavy pollution today, much of it is caused by NO2 emissions (from vehicles not commenters!). Apparently for more than 15 years the UK has failed to reduce nitrogen dioxide (NO2) air pollution levels and is now facing legal proceedings within the EU. We are a car economy; presumably wealth beats health. Any attempts to reduce car use faces stiff opposition from lobbyists. There is also the issue of climate change that is shoved into a corner. Apparently the BBC is facing criticism for giving opinions the same weight of credence as the findings of genuine scientists. The huge majority of the latter find that climate change is caused by human activity. We face increasingly frequent spells of severe weather but there is nothing we can do about it because of our own foolishness and short sighted self-interest. That is all there is to it, welcome to the world of the dinosaurs![/p][/quote]So you don't own a car ? Pinza-C55
  • Score: -107

12:04pm Wed 2 Apr 14

m dee says...

Pedalling Paul says
Instead of baying for blood, it would be more sensible to lean on our local MP's to urgently seek clarification, not just for York's sake but for all Local Authorities.

May I direct you to the adjudicators report ,in short Paul the signs was incorrect up to February 2014 ,they have called it a bus lane which it clearly is not , all the penalties issued have not been done so legally,the best response they have come up with is we will take legal advise,you may call it a oversight to the rest of us its a major c@k up at our expense.
Pedalling Paul says Instead of baying for blood, it would be more sensible to lean on our local MP's to urgently seek clarification, not just for York's sake but for all Local Authorities. May I direct you to the adjudicators report ,in short Paul the signs was incorrect up to February 2014 ,they have called it a bus lane which it clearly is not , all the penalties issued have not been done so legally,the best response they have come up with is we will take legal advise,you may call it a oversight to the rest of us its a major c@k up at our expense. m dee
  • Score: -290

12:05pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Kevin Turvey says...

‘pedalling paul says...
I am not using excessive road space which leaves more for those who genuinely need to use a car.’

Well actually Paul you do use ‘excessive road space’ as I have personally seen you on a number of occasions unreasonably shouting, swearing and gesturing at car drivers that are within 6 feet of you.

Much like you used to do to other employees in Hudson House in BR and early post privatization days at SCUK!

Perhaps the drivers feel that you are a lone nutcase that goes around shouting and swearing at drivers may be the root cause of it?

The fact that they are behind you at traffic lights and are keen to be well out of your way and want to put some further distance between you and them by overtaking you seems to have ignored by you for some reason!
‘pedalling paul says... I am not using excessive road space which leaves more for those who genuinely need to use a car.’ Well actually Paul you do use ‘excessive road space’ as I have personally seen you on a number of occasions unreasonably shouting, swearing and gesturing at car drivers that are within 6 feet of you. Much like you used to do to other employees in Hudson House in BR and early post privatization days at SCUK! Perhaps the drivers feel that you are a lone nutcase that goes around shouting and swearing at drivers may be the root cause of it? The fact that they are behind you at traffic lights and are keen to be well out of your way and want to put some further distance between you and them by overtaking you seems to have ignored by you for some reason! Kevin Turvey
  • Score: -141

12:24pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Kevin Turvey says...

‘HoofHearteds says...
m dee Wrote:
"and soon as its out of action see how far back the the line of buses/taxis /mail vans/road train goes"

The The? As i said calm down lol Although TheThe were a great band. Especially the Beaten generation song. It went, "The beaten generation reared on a diet of prejudice and misinformation, open your eyes, open your imagination"’


I much prefer some of their earlier work including ‘Heartland’ myself, however the left and the right are implicated and both to blame!

Particularly:
‘And the **** stinking shopping center in the new side of town’ – Is this going to be Monks Cross two?

‘This is the land where nothing changes. The land of red buses and blue blooded babies’ – The present status quo must be maintained at all costs!

‘And they can't get what they want then they're gonna get angry’ – divide and conquer will lead to some sort of attempted rebellion/revolution in the near future in this country.

‘But the wars on the televisions will never be explained’ – corporate interest wars that the labour party has been involved in with Iraq, Afganistan and the Torys in Libya.


Full lyrics below – from the 1986 album Infected:

The The - Heartland

Beneath the old iron bridges, across the Victorian parks
And all the frightened people running home before dark
Past the Saturday morning cinema that lies crumbling to the ground
And the **** stinking shopping center in the new side of town
I've come to smell the seasons change and watch the city
As the sun goes down again

Here comes another winter of long shadows and high hopes
Here comes another winter waitin' for utopia
Waitin' for hell to freeze over

This is the land where nothing changes
The land of red buses and blue blooded babies
This is the place, where pensioners are raped
And the hearts are being cut from the welfare state
Let the poor drink the milk while the rich eat the honey
Let the bums count their blessings while they count the money

So many people can't express what's on their minds
Nobody knows them and nobody ever will
Until their backs are broken and their dreams are stolen
And they can't get what they want then they're gonna get angry

Well it ain't written in the papers, but it's written on the walls
The way this country is divided to fall
So the cranes are moving on the skyline
Trying to knock down this town

But the stains on the heartland, can never be removed
From this country that's sick, sad, and confused

Here comes another winter of long shadows and high hopes
Here comes another winter waitin' for utopia
Waitin' for hell to freeze over

The ammunition's being passed and the lords been praised
But the wars on the televisions will never be explained
All the bankers gettin' sweaty beneath their white collars
As the pound in our pocket turns into a dollar

This is the 51st state of the U.S.A.
This is the 51st state of the U.S.A.
This is the 51st state of the U.S.A.
‘HoofHearteds says... m dee Wrote: "and soon as its out of action see how far back the the line of buses/taxis /mail vans/road train goes" The The? As i said calm down lol Although TheThe were a great band. Especially the Beaten generation song. It went, "The beaten generation reared on a diet of prejudice and misinformation, open your eyes, open your imagination"’ I much prefer some of their earlier work including ‘Heartland’ myself, however the left and the right are implicated and both to blame! Particularly: ‘And the **** stinking shopping center in the new side of town’ – Is this going to be Monks Cross two? ‘This is the land where nothing changes. The land of red buses and blue blooded babies’ – The present status quo must be maintained at all costs! ‘And they can't get what they want then they're gonna get angry’ – divide and conquer will lead to some sort of attempted rebellion/revolution in the near future in this country. ‘But the wars on the televisions will never be explained’ – corporate interest wars that the labour party has been involved in with Iraq, Afganistan and the Torys in Libya. Full lyrics below – from the 1986 album Infected: The The - Heartland Beneath the old iron bridges, across the Victorian parks And all the frightened people running home before dark Past the Saturday morning cinema that lies crumbling to the ground And the **** stinking shopping center in the new side of town I've come to smell the seasons change and watch the city As the sun goes down again Here comes another winter of long shadows and high hopes Here comes another winter waitin' for utopia Waitin' for hell to freeze over This is the land where nothing changes The land of red buses and blue blooded babies This is the place, where pensioners are raped And the hearts are being cut from the welfare state Let the poor drink the milk while the rich eat the honey Let the bums count their blessings while they count the money So many people can't express what's on their minds Nobody knows them and nobody ever will Until their backs are broken and their dreams are stolen And they can't get what they want then they're gonna get angry Well it ain't written in the papers, but it's written on the walls The way this country is divided to fall So the cranes are moving on the skyline Trying to knock down this town But the stains on the heartland, can never be removed From this country that's sick, sad, and confused Here comes another winter of long shadows and high hopes Here comes another winter waitin' for utopia Waitin' for hell to freeze over The ammunition's being passed and the lords been praised But the wars on the televisions will never be explained All the bankers gettin' sweaty beneath their white collars As the pound in our pocket turns into a dollar This is the 51st state of the U.S.A. This is the 51st state of the U.S.A. This is the 51st state of the U.S.A. Kevin Turvey
  • Score: -60

12:30pm Wed 2 Apr 14

HoofHearteds says...

jay, york wrote:
HoofHearteds wrote:
Calm down! It's just an opinion by some mid section adjudication pen pusher. The fact of the matter is, the bridge closure has reduced pollution, waiting times and congestion and at the worst, we will just install rising bollards that allow vehicles that are allowed over by electronic access. The Bridge will remain closed and frust and gust will continue to flow from the minority on here.
So a labour counciller finally says something about this huge fiasco ......... They are clearly on another planet!
Paranoia raises it's ugly head again lol
[quote][p][bold]jay, york[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HoofHearteds[/bold] wrote: Calm down! It's just an opinion by some mid section adjudication pen pusher. The fact of the matter is, the bridge closure has reduced pollution, waiting times and congestion and at the worst, we will just install rising bollards that allow vehicles that are allowed over by electronic access. The Bridge will remain closed and frust and gust will continue to flow from the minority on here.[/p][/quote]So a labour counciller finally says something about this huge fiasco ......... They are clearly on another planet![/p][/quote]Paranoia raises it's ugly head again lol HoofHearteds
  • Score: -52

12:37pm Wed 2 Apr 14

HoofHearteds says...

More lyrics from THETHE..

"Were being sedated by the gasoline fumes and hypnotized by the satellites, into believing what is good and what is right. You may be worshiping the Temples of Mammon or lost in the prisons of Religion, but can you still walk back to happiness when you've no where left to ......... run! "
More lyrics from THETHE.. "Were being sedated by the gasoline fumes and hypnotized by the satellites, into believing what is good and what is right. You may be worshiping the Temples of Mammon or lost in the prisons of Religion, but can you still walk back to happiness when you've no where left to ......... run! " HoofHearteds
  • Score: -136

12:40pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

HoofHearteds wrote:
jay, york wrote:
HoofHearteds wrote: Calm down! It's just an opinion by some mid section adjudication pen pusher. The fact of the matter is, the bridge closure has reduced pollution, waiting times and congestion and at the worst, we will just install rising bollards that allow vehicles that are allowed over by electronic access. The Bridge will remain closed and frust and gust will continue to flow from the minority on here.
So a labour counciller finally says something about this huge fiasco ......... They are clearly on another planet!
Paranoia raises it's ugly head again lol
"mid section adjudication pen pusher" - this shows how deeply patronising and disrespectful this odious councillor is. No prizes for guessing who it is ?

As for the minority on here, there are 288 comments, with the massive majority against the council and Lendal Bridge trial/closure. Shows who is delusional, and why we have such as mess in York with these arrogant self-serving Labour councillors !
[quote][p][bold]HoofHearteds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jay, york[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HoofHearteds[/bold] wrote: Calm down! It's just an opinion by some mid section adjudication pen pusher. The fact of the matter is, the bridge closure has reduced pollution, waiting times and congestion and at the worst, we will just install rising bollards that allow vehicles that are allowed over by electronic access. The Bridge will remain closed and frust and gust will continue to flow from the minority on here.[/p][/quote]So a labour counciller finally says something about this huge fiasco ......... They are clearly on another planet![/p][/quote]Paranoia raises it's ugly head again lol[/p][/quote]"mid section adjudication pen pusher" - this shows how deeply patronising and disrespectful this odious councillor is. No prizes for guessing who it is ? As for the minority on here, there are 288 comments, with the massive majority against the council and Lendal Bridge trial/closure. Shows who is delusional, and why we have such as mess in York with these arrogant self-serving Labour councillors ! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -362

12:40pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Soupdragon70 says...

"Coun Dave Merrett, the cabinet member for transport, this evening told The Press: "I am obviously very perturbed at the adjudicator's decision."

Ha ha ha ha ha!
This has made my day!

Now over to you in the SAD (Score Adjustment Dept)
"Coun Dave Merrett, the cabinet member for transport, this evening told The Press: "I am obviously very perturbed at the adjudicator's decision." Ha ha ha ha ha! This has made my day! Now over to you in the SAD (Score Adjustment Dept) Soupdragon70
  • Score: -174

12:42pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

courier46 wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
courier46 wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
courier46 wrote:
peter123456 wrote: Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.
It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras. Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it
The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other. 20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.
You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun? On what basis is your article factual?
I've been driving for over 40 years and have a pretty good idea what spead cars are doing. I take it you either don't drive or have very little experience of driving? Come back when you have!
How funny you are! If you have read any of my responses you will know I drive for a living. I think you are the novice.
In that case you have obviously been driving with your eyes closed! If you can't estimate the speed of a car on the road you are a danger to yourself, your passengers and other road users! How do you ever get out at a junction I wonder?
I agree ,i`ve been driving over 30 years and deffo tell, when someone is driving too fast and without the use of a speed gun. There are some idiots who drive way too fast on Moor Lane which is quite a narrow Lane. I also seem to be seeing more and more cyclists on the footpath going way too fast so i just think that there is no deterrent as people will always be arrogant and break the law unless there is something to stop them.Ps i also agree that a fair few are when the college leaves (but not all).
where is it narrow??? if you lined 3 cars along side they would fit down every section of that road! some places even 4 would! hence when cars are parked at the top end of it both directions can still pass.... oh now you pick up on cyclists going way to fast... lets just make it walking speed only down there.... i mean there is only a cycle path starting at eden closed and then a joining one futher down.
You must be a troll because the rubbish you come out with cannot be real,do you really not care about people riding on paths at speed? people that could hit and badly injure someone ,a child or elderly person in hospital.What has the cycle path at Eden got to do with it?,presume you live in the top end,Moor Lane is quite long you know and narrow enough to stop the traffic when a car is parked unless you are one of the ones that force your way through.
Yes i'm a troll for stating there is a cycle path and cyclists do not have speed restrictions? moron. So you agree with me that it can hold 3 cars! So how is that narrow? narrow is a country road where there is no speed limit that can barely fit two cars? You always make the most out of a nothing issue!!!! cyclists will either use the road or the cycle path to turn off! no one has been injured! do you know why? becasue they avoid people! its not all that hard! and i'll admit i hit a child on my bike when i was younger. its parent let it run off from her into a cycle lane. you see the key work there is cycle lane. if pedestrains walk in them they tend to get run over.

So what part of what i said is wrong? can it not fit 3 cars?is there not a clearly marked cycle path at 2 stages along moor lane?

And no actually top estate where the new houses are more towards the ring road. or i was.
[quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter123456[/bold] wrote: Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.[/p][/quote]It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras. Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it[/p][/quote]The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other. 20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.[/p][/quote]You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun? On what basis is your article factual?[/p][/quote]I've been driving for over 40 years and have a pretty good idea what spead cars are doing. I take it you either don't drive or have very little experience of driving? Come back when you have![/p][/quote]How funny you are! If you have read any of my responses you will know I drive for a living. I think you are the novice.[/p][/quote]In that case you have obviously been driving with your eyes closed! If you can't estimate the speed of a car on the road you are a danger to yourself, your passengers and other road users! How do you ever get out at a junction I wonder?[/p][/quote]I agree ,i`ve been driving over 30 years and deffo tell, when someone is driving too fast and without the use of a speed gun. There are some idiots who drive way too fast on Moor Lane which is quite a narrow Lane. I also seem to be seeing more and more cyclists on the footpath going way too fast so i just think that there is no deterrent as people will always be arrogant and break the law unless there is something to stop them.Ps i also agree that a fair few are when the college leaves (but not all).[/p][/quote]where is it narrow??? if you lined 3 cars along side they would fit down every section of that road! some places even 4 would! hence when cars are parked at the top end of it both directions can still pass.... oh now you pick up on cyclists going way to fast... lets just make it walking speed only down there.... i mean there is only a cycle path starting at eden closed and then a joining one futher down.[/p][/quote]You must be a troll because the rubbish you come out with cannot be real,do you really not care about people riding on paths at speed? people that could hit and badly injure someone ,a child or elderly person in hospital.What has the cycle path at Eden got to do with it?,presume you live in the top end,Moor Lane is quite long you know and narrow enough to stop the traffic when a car is parked unless you are one of the ones that force your way through.[/p][/quote]Yes i'm a troll for stating there is a cycle path and cyclists do not have speed restrictions? moron. So you agree with me that it can hold 3 cars! So how is that narrow? narrow is a country road where there is no speed limit that can barely fit two cars? You always make the most out of a nothing issue!!!! cyclists will either use the road or the cycle path to turn off! no one has been injured! do you know why? becasue they avoid people! its not all that hard! and i'll admit i hit a child on my bike when i was younger. its parent let it run off from her into a cycle lane. you see the key work there is cycle lane. if pedestrains walk in them they tend to get run over. So what part of what i said is wrong? can it not fit 3 cars?is there not a clearly marked cycle path at 2 stages along moor lane? And no actually top estate where the new houses are more towards the ring road. or i was. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -128

12:45pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Igiveinthen says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
again wrote:
The UK is experiencing heavy pollution today, much of it is caused by NO2 emissions (from vehicles not commenters!). Apparently for more than 15 years the UK has failed to reduce nitrogen dioxide (NO2) air pollution levels and is now facing legal proceedings within the EU.

We are a car economy; presumably wealth beats health. Any attempts to reduce car use faces stiff opposition from lobbyists.

There is also the issue of climate change that is shoved into a corner. Apparently the BBC is facing criticism for giving opinions the same weight of credence as the findings of genuine scientists. The huge majority of the latter find that climate change is caused by human activity.

We face increasingly frequent spells of severe weather but there is nothing we can do about it because of our own foolishness and short sighted self-interest. That is all there is to it, welcome to the world of the dinosaurs!
So you don't own a car ?
He probably does but won't admit to it, just like he won't admit the pollution levels are exacerbated by very unusual atmospheric conditions trapping fine sand from the Sahara Desert, as was explained by the weather reporters on the television weather reports.
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]again[/bold] wrote: The UK is experiencing heavy pollution today, much of it is caused by NO2 emissions (from vehicles not commenters!). Apparently for more than 15 years the UK has failed to reduce nitrogen dioxide (NO2) air pollution levels and is now facing legal proceedings within the EU. We are a car economy; presumably wealth beats health. Any attempts to reduce car use faces stiff opposition from lobbyists. There is also the issue of climate change that is shoved into a corner. Apparently the BBC is facing criticism for giving opinions the same weight of credence as the findings of genuine scientists. The huge majority of the latter find that climate change is caused by human activity. We face increasingly frequent spells of severe weather but there is nothing we can do about it because of our own foolishness and short sighted self-interest. That is all there is to it, welcome to the world of the dinosaurs![/p][/quote]So you don't own a car ?[/p][/quote]He probably does but won't admit to it, just like he won't admit the pollution levels are exacerbated by very unusual atmospheric conditions trapping fine sand from the Sahara Desert, as was explained by the weather reporters on the television weather reports. Igiveinthen
  • Score: -162

12:48pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

courier46 wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
courier46 wrote:
peter123456 wrote: Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.
It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras. Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it
The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other. 20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.
You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun? On what basis is your article factual?
I've been driving for over 40 years and have a pretty good idea what spead cars are doing. I take it you either don't drive or have very little experience of driving? Come back when you have!
How funny you are! If you have read any of my responses you will know I drive for a living. I think you are the novice.
In that case you have obviously been driving with your eyes closed! If you can't estimate the speed of a car on the road you are a danger to yourself, your passengers and other road users! How do you ever get out at a junction I wonder?
Right so i will ask this... what makes a dangerous speed? i have lived on that road for the majority of my life. Poeple do not cross it. Accidents do not happen? so why do you care if someone is doing even 45mph? its a link to a ring road? and i'll say this driving a car at a speed and seeing an object pass at speed are 2 different things. Did any of these reckless speeders crash or cause danger? no? so get lost with your 20 is plenty cr@p down that area. Its a road with a path on one side with hardly any pedestrians crossing? 40mph is fine! then if you add on the % over you can go with the speed limit 43mph is a safe speed!!!! get a grip!
You are one the exact drivers that dont care about anybody and quite clearly dont pay attention as there are paths on both sides of the road on the section between Moorcroft Rd and Tadcaster Rd roundabout.I dont want a blanket 20mph but if 95 per cent are getting it why shouldn`t the residents feel safe when walking with there children or grandchildren.It is just not the road is quite narrow also the paths are and 40mph is deft not acceptable.
Why not it was in the past without problems? ok for say 1/6 of the route there is a path. For the other mile there isn’t. Yes I’m a well bad driver with no speeding tickets, crashes or points. He is a thought for you. if you make that 20mph (that can not be enforced!!!!!)and someone is going that speed. Me and all the other idiot drivers will simply overtake them. What carries more risk do you think? 40mph on a road that can easily be driven at 40mph with clear visibility and little pedestrian use or having people overtake the few minor incompetent drivers that can go no faster then 20mph due to the reaction time it takes for them to break?
[quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter123456[/bold] wrote: Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.[/p][/quote]It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras. Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it[/p][/quote]The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other. 20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.[/p][/quote]You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun? On what basis is your article factual?[/p][/quote]I've been driving for over 40 years and have a pretty good idea what spead cars are doing. I take it you either don't drive or have very little experience of driving? Come back when you have![/p][/quote]How funny you are! If you have read any of my responses you will know I drive for a living. I think you are the novice.[/p][/quote]In that case you have obviously been driving with your eyes closed! If you can't estimate the speed of a car on the road you are a danger to yourself, your passengers and other road users! How do you ever get out at a junction I wonder?[/p][/quote]Right so i will ask this... what makes a dangerous speed? i have lived on that road for the majority of my life. Poeple do not cross it. Accidents do not happen? so why do you care if someone is doing even 45mph? its a link to a ring road? and i'll say this driving a car at a speed and seeing an object pass at speed are 2 different things. Did any of these reckless speeders crash or cause danger? no? so get lost with your 20 is plenty cr@p down that area. Its a road with a path on one side with hardly any pedestrians crossing? 40mph is fine! then if you add on the % over you can go with the speed limit 43mph is a safe speed!!!! get a grip![/p][/quote]You are one the exact drivers that dont care about anybody and quite clearly dont pay attention as there are paths on both sides of the road on the section between Moorcroft Rd and Tadcaster Rd roundabout.I dont want a blanket 20mph but if 95 per cent are getting it why shouldn`t the residents feel safe when walking with there children or grandchildren.It is just not the road is quite narrow also the paths are and 40mph is deft not acceptable.[/p][/quote]Why not it was in the past without problems? ok for say 1/6 of the route there is a path. For the other mile there isn’t. Yes I’m a well bad driver with no speeding tickets, crashes or points. He is a thought for you. if you make that 20mph (that can not be enforced!!!!!)and someone is going that speed. Me and all the other idiot drivers will simply overtake them. What carries more risk do you think? 40mph on a road that can easily be driven at 40mph with clear visibility and little pedestrian use or having people overtake the few minor incompetent drivers that can go no faster then 20mph due to the reaction time it takes for them to break? Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -68

12:56pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

Sage9 wrote:
Can anyone tell me the date of the meeting where TLS was chairing, referred to above?
It was yesterday's (1st April) cabinet meeting.

I watched the live webcast, and was disgusted at her conduct.

She rudely interupted public speaker Gwen Swinburn, and cut her off. It was clearly a gagging tactic to disallow criticism. I have seen numerous council meetings and never seen this, even where a speaker is outspoken aand critical of the council. TSL and KE, who clearly prompted the interuption, have got it in for Gwem. The reason for this is that Gwen is a governance expert who has exposed numerous breaches by the council. KE is frightened of her, because Gwen has shown how badly run the council is in respect of governance, tranparency and democracy.

Later in the meeting, TSL made critical reference to GS and her job experience, which was very bad order. GS objected, and was then subjected to bullying and threats by TSL, which resulted in GS walking out of the meeting. TSL is a disgrace, and is not fit to be a councillor. She is an autocratic bully.
[quote][p][bold]Sage9[/bold] wrote: Can anyone tell me the date of the meeting where TLS was chairing, referred to above?[/p][/quote]It was yesterday's (1st April) cabinet meeting. I watched the live webcast, and was disgusted at her conduct. She rudely interupted public speaker Gwen Swinburn, and cut her off. It was clearly a gagging tactic to disallow criticism. I have seen numerous council meetings and never seen this, even where a speaker is outspoken aand critical of the council. TSL and KE, who clearly prompted the interuption, have got it in for Gwem. The reason for this is that Gwen is a governance expert who has exposed numerous breaches by the council. KE is frightened of her, because Gwen has shown how badly run the council is in respect of governance, tranparency and democracy. Later in the meeting, TSL made critical reference to GS and her job experience, which was very bad order. GS objected, and was then subjected to bullying and threats by TSL, which resulted in GS walking out of the meeting. TSL is a disgrace, and is not fit to be a councillor. She is an autocratic bully. Badgers Drift
  • Score: -114

1:04pm Wed 2 Apr 14

HeworthM says...

Not exactly on the story, but can anyone explain why taxi's are permitted in bus lanes, when in many circumstances, they are simply carrying one person from point A to point B - with the aide of a paid driver. A private car taking one person, doing the same A to B journey but without the aide of a paid driver is not permitted in the bus lane.
I can understand why a bus (possibly?) carrying a number of people benefits from a quicker journey through the provision of a bus lane, but not one person in a car and their short term chaffeur!!
Welcome any information to satisfy my curiosity.
Not exactly on the story, but can anyone explain why taxi's are permitted in bus lanes, when in many circumstances, they are simply carrying one person from point A to point B - with the aide of a paid driver. A private car taking one person, doing the same A to B journey but without the aide of a paid driver is not permitted in the bus lane. I can understand why a bus (possibly?) carrying a number of people benefits from a quicker journey through the provision of a bus lane, but not one person in a car and their short term chaffeur!! Welcome any information to satisfy my curiosity. HeworthM
  • Score: -89

1:05pm Wed 2 Apr 14

mitch2nd says...

It just goes to show that we have people running our local council that don't have a clue.

This is basic research as an retired CEO of a large company I would research something like this to death, maybe it was some big words that confused our local decision makers.

I hope that this is upheld and that they have to pay back all the money plus interest and issue a full apology

Business people like myself should run councils, at least we live in the reel world and wouldn't do it just to because we want to get our faces in the papers, shocking
It just goes to show that we have people running our local council that don't have a clue. This is basic research as an retired CEO of a large company I would research something like this to death, maybe it was some big words that confused our local decision makers. I hope that this is upheld and that they have to pay back all the money plus interest and issue a full apology Business people like myself should run councils, at least we live in the reel world and wouldn't do it just to because we want to get our faces in the papers, shocking mitch2nd
  • Score: -125

1:12pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Older Sometimes Wiser says...

As no one from the Press appears able to stop the " score manipulation" I wonder whether this could be an "in house operator " or past employee with a grudge?
Just a thought !
As no one from the Press appears able to stop the " score manipulation" I wonder whether this could be an "in house operator " or past employee with a grudge? Just a thought ! Older Sometimes Wiser
  • Score: -182

1:16pm Wed 2 Apr 14

yawn.. says...

THE COUNCIL HAD NO RIGHT TO GIVE COUNCILLOR REID'S DAUGHTERS WEDDING CORTEGE A 'GREEN WAVE' THROUGH THE CITY WHEN THE REST OF US HAVE TO SIT IN GRIDLOCK TRAFFIC.!!!!!

Their political point scoring makes me puke. Their opinions and allegiances are more two faced than Coney Street clock, and frankly I wouldn't waste a bucket full of water if ANY of them if they were on fire.! As far as I'm concerned they're all as bad as one another, will ALL twist things to their own advantage (at everyone else's expense), and are not to be trusted with the very air they breathe.!
THE COUNCIL HAD NO RIGHT TO GIVE COUNCILLOR REID'S DAUGHTERS WEDDING CORTEGE A 'GREEN WAVE' THROUGH THE CITY WHEN THE REST OF US HAVE TO SIT IN GRIDLOCK TRAFFIC.!!!!! Their political point scoring makes me puke. Their opinions and allegiances are more two faced than Coney Street clock, and frankly I wouldn't waste a bucket full of water if ANY of them if they were on fire.! As far as I'm concerned they're all as bad as one another, will ALL twist things to their own advantage (at everyone else's expense), and are not to be trusted with the very air they breathe.! yawn..
  • Score: -90

1:25pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

Older Sometimes Wiser wrote:
As no one from the Press appears able to stop the " score manipulation" I wonder whether this could be an "in house operator " or past employee with a grudge? Just a thought !
If they had a grudge against the Press, why would they target stories which criticise or attack the Labour run council ?

He/she is clearly a Labour/council supporter. A frightened, weak, little nobody, with nothing to contribute, and all they can do is cheat the system. He/she has all the qualities to become a Labour councillor !
[quote][p][bold]Older Sometimes Wiser[/bold] wrote: As no one from the Press appears able to stop the " score manipulation" I wonder whether this could be an "in house operator " or past employee with a grudge? Just a thought ![/p][/quote]If they had a grudge against the Press, why would they target stories which criticise or attack the Labour run council ? He/she is clearly a Labour/council supporter. A frightened, weak, little nobody, with nothing to contribute, and all they can do is cheat the system. He/she has all the qualities to become a Labour councillor ! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -137

1:25pm Wed 2 Apr 14

TheTruthHurts says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
Sage9 wrote:
Can anyone tell me the date of the meeting where TLS was chairing, referred to above?
It was yesterday's (1st April) cabinet meeting.

I watched the live webcast, and was disgusted at her conduct.

She rudely interupted public speaker Gwen Swinburn, and cut her off. It was clearly a gagging tactic to disallow criticism. I have seen numerous council meetings and never seen this, even where a speaker is outspoken aand critical of the council. TSL and KE, who clearly prompted the interuption, have got it in for Gwem. The reason for this is that Gwen is a governance expert who has exposed numerous breaches by the council. KE is frightened of her, because Gwen has shown how badly run the council is in respect of governance, tranparency and democracy.

Later in the meeting, TSL made critical reference to GS and her job experience, which was very bad order. GS objected, and was then subjected to bullying and threats by TSL, which resulted in GS walking out of the meeting. TSL is a disgrace, and is not fit to be a councillor. She is an autocratic bully.
Keep up the good work Gwen.

I reckon this webcast might be the most popular ever when they publish it lol.
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sage9[/bold] wrote: Can anyone tell me the date of the meeting where TLS was chairing, referred to above?[/p][/quote]It was yesterday's (1st April) cabinet meeting. I watched the live webcast, and was disgusted at her conduct. She rudely interupted public speaker Gwen Swinburn, and cut her off. It was clearly a gagging tactic to disallow criticism. I have seen numerous council meetings and never seen this, even where a speaker is outspoken aand critical of the council. TSL and KE, who clearly prompted the interuption, have got it in for Gwem. The reason for this is that Gwen is a governance expert who has exposed numerous breaches by the council. KE is frightened of her, because Gwen has shown how badly run the council is in respect of governance, tranparency and democracy. Later in the meeting, TSL made critical reference to GS and her job experience, which was very bad order. GS objected, and was then subjected to bullying and threats by TSL, which resulted in GS walking out of the meeting. TSL is a disgrace, and is not fit to be a councillor. She is an autocratic bully.[/p][/quote]Keep up the good work Gwen. I reckon this webcast might be the most popular ever when they publish it lol. TheTruthHurts
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1:28pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Meldrew2 says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
courier46 wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
courier46 wrote:
peter123456 wrote: Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.
It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras. Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it
The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other. 20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.
You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun? On what basis is your article factual?
I've been driving for over 40 years and have a pretty good idea what spead cars are doing. I take it you either don't drive or have very little experience of driving? Come back when you have!
How funny you are! If you have read any of my responses you will know I drive for a living. I think you are the novice.
In that case you have obviously been driving with your eyes closed! If you can't estimate the speed of a car on the road you are a danger to yourself, your passengers and other road users! How do you ever get out at a junction I wonder?
Right so i will ask this... what makes a dangerous speed? i have lived on that road for the majority of my life. Poeple do not cross it. Accidents do not happen? so why do you care if someone is doing even 45mph? its a link to a ring road? and i'll say this driving a car at a speed and seeing an object pass at speed are 2 different things. Did any of these reckless speeders crash or cause danger? no? so get lost with your 20 is plenty cr@p down that area. Its a road with a path on one side with hardly any pedestrians crossing? 40mph is fine! then if you add on the % over you can go with the speed limit 43mph is a safe speed!!!! get a grip!
You are one the exact drivers that dont care about anybody and quite clearly dont pay attention as there are paths on both sides of the road on the section between Moorcroft Rd and Tadcaster Rd roundabout.I dont want a blanket 20mph but if 95 per cent are getting it why shouldn`t the residents feel safe when walking with there children or grandchildren.It is just not the road is quite narrow also the paths are and 40mph is deft not acceptable.
Why not it was in the past without problems? ok for say 1/6 of the route there is a path. For the other mile there isn’t. Yes I’m a well bad driver with no speeding tickets, crashes or points. He is a thought for you. if you make that 20mph (that can not be enforced!!!!!)and someone is going that speed. Me and all the other idiot drivers will simply overtake them. What carries more risk do you think? 40mph on a road that can easily be driven at 40mph with clear visibility and little pedestrian use or having people overtake the few minor incompetent drivers that can go no faster then 20mph due to the reaction time it takes for them to break?
A 20 mph will not work on Moor Lane as it's not enforceable and the idiots won't take any notice anyway.

What's needed is more deterrent to stop those who regularly drive in excess of the current 30mph limit..

As for those who think it's safe to drive down there at 40mph plus because there have been no accidents then I expect you don't have a young family to worry about, don't cross the road to catch the bus or go to the shops or take your dog for a walk!

I challenge you to stand by the speed signs at 4-5pm and count how many times it flashes at speeding drivers.
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter123456[/bold] wrote: Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.[/p][/quote]It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras. Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it[/p][/quote]The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other. 20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.[/p][/quote]You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun? On what basis is your article factual?[/p][/quote]I've been driving for over 40 years and have a pretty good idea what spead cars are doing. I take it you either don't drive or have very little experience of driving? Come back when you have![/p][/quote]How funny you are! If you have read any of my responses you will know I drive for a living. I think you are the novice.[/p][/quote]In that case you have obviously been driving with your eyes closed! If you can't estimate the speed of a car on the road you are a danger to yourself, your passengers and other road users! How do you ever get out at a junction I wonder?[/p][/quote]Right so i will ask this... what makes a dangerous speed? i have lived on that road for the majority of my life. Poeple do not cross it. Accidents do not happen? so why do you care if someone is doing even 45mph? its a link to a ring road? and i'll say this driving a car at a speed and seeing an object pass at speed are 2 different things. Did any of these reckless speeders crash or cause danger? no? so get lost with your 20 is plenty cr@p down that area. Its a road with a path on one side with hardly any pedestrians crossing? 40mph is fine! then if you add on the % over you can go with the speed limit 43mph is a safe speed!!!! get a grip![/p][/quote]You are one the exact drivers that dont care about anybody and quite clearly dont pay attention as there are paths on both sides of the road on the section between Moorcroft Rd and Tadcaster Rd roundabout.I dont want a blanket 20mph but if 95 per cent are getting it why shouldn`t the residents feel safe when walking with there children or grandchildren.It is just not the road is quite narrow also the paths are and 40mph is deft not acceptable.[/p][/quote]Why not it was in the past without problems? ok for say 1/6 of the route there is a path. For the other mile there isn’t. Yes I’m a well bad driver with no speeding tickets, crashes or points. He is a thought for you. if you make that 20mph (that can not be enforced!!!!!)and someone is going that speed. Me and all the other idiot drivers will simply overtake them. What carries more risk do you think? 40mph on a road that can easily be driven at 40mph with clear visibility and little pedestrian use or having people overtake the few minor incompetent drivers that can go no faster then 20mph due to the reaction time it takes for them to break?[/p][/quote]A 20 mph will not work on Moor Lane as it's not enforceable and the idiots won't take any notice anyway. What's needed is more deterrent to stop those who regularly drive in excess of the current 30mph limit.. As for those who think it's safe to drive down there at 40mph plus because there have been no accidents then I expect you don't have a young family to worry about, don't cross the road to catch the bus or go to the shops or take your dog for a walk! I challenge you to stand by the speed signs at 4-5pm and count how many times it flashes at speeding drivers. Meldrew2
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1:31pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

Older Sometimes Wiser wrote:
As no one from the Press appears able to stop the " score manipulation" I wonder whether this could be an "in house operator " or past employee with a grudge? Just a thought !
He/she is getting inventive now - random/targeted manipulation instead of blanket.

Come and get me you muppet !
[quote][p][bold]Older Sometimes Wiser[/bold] wrote: As no one from the Press appears able to stop the " score manipulation" I wonder whether this could be an "in house operator " or past employee with a grudge? Just a thought ![/p][/quote]He/she is getting inventive now - random/targeted manipulation instead of blanket. Come and get me you muppet ! Badgers Drift
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1:32pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

yawn.. wrote:
THE COUNCIL HAD NO RIGHT TO GIVE COUNCILLOR REID'S DAUGHTERS WEDDING CORTEGE A 'GREEN WAVE' THROUGH THE CITY WHEN THE REST OF US HAVE TO SIT IN GRIDLOCK TRAFFIC.!!!!!

Their political point scoring makes me puke. Their opinions and allegiances are more two faced than Coney Street clock, and frankly I wouldn't waste a bucket full of water if ANY of them if they were on fire.! As far as I'm concerned they're all as bad as one another, will ALL twist things to their own advantage (at everyone else's expense), and are not to be trusted with the very air they breathe.!
Excellent post.
[quote][p][bold]yawn..[/bold] wrote: THE COUNCIL HAD NO RIGHT TO GIVE COUNCILLOR REID'S DAUGHTERS WEDDING CORTEGE A 'GREEN WAVE' THROUGH THE CITY WHEN THE REST OF US HAVE TO SIT IN GRIDLOCK TRAFFIC.!!!!! Their political point scoring makes me puke. Their opinions and allegiances are more two faced than Coney Street clock, and frankly I wouldn't waste a bucket full of water if ANY of them if they were on fire.! As far as I'm concerned they're all as bad as one another, will ALL twist things to their own advantage (at everyone else's expense), and are not to be trusted with the very air they breathe.![/p][/quote]Excellent post. Buzzz Light-year
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1:36pm Wed 2 Apr 14

courier46 says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
courier46 wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
courier46 wrote:
peter123456 wrote: Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.
It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras. Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it
The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other. 20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.
You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun? On what basis is your article factual?
I've been driving for over 40 years and have a pretty good idea what spead cars are doing. I take it you either don't drive or have very little experience of driving? Come back when you have!
How funny you are! If you have read any of my responses you will know I drive for a living. I think you are the novice.
In that case you have obviously been driving with your eyes closed! If you can't estimate the speed of a car on the road you are a danger to yourself, your passengers and other road users! How do you ever get out at a junction I wonder?
Right so i will ask this... what makes a dangerous speed? i have lived on that road for the majority of my life. Poeple do not cross it. Accidents do not happen? so why do you care if someone is doing even 45mph? its a link to a ring road? and i'll say this driving a car at a speed and seeing an object pass at speed are 2 different things. Did any of these reckless speeders crash or cause danger? no? so get lost with your 20 is plenty cr@p down that area. Its a road with a path on one side with hardly any pedestrians crossing? 40mph is fine! then if you add on the % over you can go with the speed limit 43mph is a safe speed!!!! get a grip!
You are one the exact drivers that dont care about anybody and quite clearly dont pay attention as there are paths on both sides of the road on the section between Moorcroft Rd and Tadcaster Rd roundabout.I dont want a blanket 20mph but if 95 per cent are getting it why shouldn`t the residents feel safe when walking with there children or grandchildren.It is just not the road is quite narrow also the paths are and 40mph is deft not acceptable.
Why not it was in the past without problems? ok for say 1/6 of the route there is a path. For the other mile there isn’t. Yes I’m a well bad driver with no speeding tickets, crashes or points. He is a thought for you. if you make that 20mph (that can not be enforced!!!!!)and someone is going that speed. Me and all the other idiot drivers will simply overtake them. What carries more risk do you think? 40mph on a road that can easily be driven at 40mph with clear visibility and little pedestrian use or having people overtake the few minor incompetent drivers that can go no faster then 20mph due to the reaction time it takes for them to break?
So you have just admitted that you would break the law by overtaking someone doing 20mph in 20mph zone so maybe you have been very lucky so far in not getting caught and not harming anybody because it sounds to me that you dont mind breaking the law.To answer your question i think 20mph would be safer (i am against the 20mph thing by the way but if i`m driving at 20mph in most peoples streets then why should they come on mine and drive at your 40-43mph).40mph is too fast on what you call "1/6 of Moor Lane".Tell you what you can have your 30-43mph and i`ll have my 20-30mph on my 1/6 of Moor Lane
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter123456[/bold] wrote: Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.[/p][/quote]It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras. Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it[/p][/quote]The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other. 20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.[/p][/quote]You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun? On what basis is your article factual?[/p][/quote]I've been driving for over 40 years and have a pretty good idea what spead cars are doing. I take it you either don't drive or have very little experience of driving? Come back when you have![/p][/quote]How funny you are! If you have read any of my responses you will know I drive for a living. I think you are the novice.[/p][/quote]In that case you have obviously been driving with your eyes closed! If you can't estimate the speed of a car on the road you are a danger to yourself, your passengers and other road users! How do you ever get out at a junction I wonder?[/p][/quote]Right so i will ask this... what makes a dangerous speed? i have lived on that road for the majority of my life. Poeple do not cross it. Accidents do not happen? so why do you care if someone is doing even 45mph? its a link to a ring road? and i'll say this driving a car at a speed and seeing an object pass at speed are 2 different things. Did any of these reckless speeders crash or cause danger? no? so get lost with your 20 is plenty cr@p down that area. Its a road with a path on one side with hardly any pedestrians crossing? 40mph is fine! then if you add on the % over you can go with the speed limit 43mph is a safe speed!!!! get a grip![/p][/quote]You are one the exact drivers that dont care about anybody and quite clearly dont pay attention as there are paths on both sides of the road on the section between Moorcroft Rd and Tadcaster Rd roundabout.I dont want a blanket 20mph but if 95 per cent are getting it why shouldn`t the residents feel safe when walking with there children or grandchildren.It is just not the road is quite narrow also the paths are and 40mph is deft not acceptable.[/p][/quote]Why not it was in the past without problems? ok for say 1/6 of the route there is a path. For the other mile there isn’t. Yes I’m a well bad driver with no speeding tickets, crashes or points. He is a thought for you. if you make that 20mph (that can not be enforced!!!!!)and someone is going that speed. Me and all the other idiot drivers will simply overtake them. What carries more risk do you think? 40mph on a road that can easily be driven at 40mph with clear visibility and little pedestrian use or having people overtake the few minor incompetent drivers that can go no faster then 20mph due to the reaction time it takes for them to break?[/p][/quote]So you have just admitted that you would break the law by overtaking someone doing 20mph in 20mph zone so maybe you have been very lucky so far in not getting caught and not harming anybody because it sounds to me that you dont mind breaking the law.To answer your question i think 20mph would be safer (i am against the 20mph thing by the way but if i`m driving at 20mph in most peoples streets then why should they come on mine and drive at your 40-43mph).40mph is too fast on what you call "1/6 of Moor Lane".Tell you what you can have your 30-43mph and i`ll have my 20-30mph on my 1/6 of Moor Lane courier46
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1:37pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Prob says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
Older Sometimes Wiser wrote: As no one from the Press appears able to stop the " score manipulation" I wonder whether this could be an "in house operator " or past employee with a grudge? Just a thought !
He/she is getting inventive now - random/targeted manipulation instead of blanket. Come and get me you muppet !
I have just manipulated your score.

I added a +1.
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Older Sometimes Wiser[/bold] wrote: As no one from the Press appears able to stop the " score manipulation" I wonder whether this could be an "in house operator " or past employee with a grudge? Just a thought ![/p][/quote]He/she is getting inventive now - random/targeted manipulation instead of blanket. Come and get me you muppet ![/p][/quote]I have just manipulated your score. I added a +1. Prob
  • Score: -103

1:44pm Wed 2 Apr 14

HeworthM says...

TheTruthHurts wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
Sage9 wrote:
Can anyone tell me the date of the meeting where TLS was chairing, referred to above?
It was yesterday's (1st April) cabinet meeting.

I watched the live webcast, and was disgusted at her conduct.

She rudely interupted public speaker Gwen Swinburn, and cut her off. It was clearly a gagging tactic to disallow criticism. I have seen numerous council meetings and never seen this, even where a speaker is outspoken aand critical of the council. TSL and KE, who clearly prompted the interuption, have got it in for Gwem. The reason for this is that Gwen is a governance expert who has exposed numerous breaches by the council. KE is frightened of her, because Gwen has shown how badly run the council is in respect of governance, tranparency and democracy.

Later in the meeting, TSL made critical reference to GS and her job experience, which was very bad order. GS objected, and was then subjected to bullying and threats by TSL, which resulted in GS walking out of the meeting. TSL is a disgrace, and is not fit to be a councillor. She is an autocratic bully.
Keep up the good work Gwen.

I reckon this webcast might be the most popular ever when they publish it lol.
Agree - interesting that the council agreed for the meeting to be broadcast and viewed live, presumably in adequate sound and visual quality. Seemingly editing is now required (?) before the recorded version is made available for the public to view following on from reports in the public press (& when for me more convinient).
Half expect to see a recorded version on Youtube where the words don't fit with the movement of peoples mouths - like on Monkey Magic!!
[quote][p][bold]TheTruthHurts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sage9[/bold] wrote: Can anyone tell me the date of the meeting where TLS was chairing, referred to above?[/p][/quote]It was yesterday's (1st April) cabinet meeting. I watched the live webcast, and was disgusted at her conduct. She rudely interupted public speaker Gwen Swinburn, and cut her off. It was clearly a gagging tactic to disallow criticism. I have seen numerous council meetings and never seen this, even where a speaker is outspoken aand critical of the council. TSL and KE, who clearly prompted the interuption, have got it in for Gwem. The reason for this is that Gwen is a governance expert who has exposed numerous breaches by the council. KE is frightened of her, because Gwen has shown how badly run the council is in respect of governance, tranparency and democracy. Later in the meeting, TSL made critical reference to GS and her job experience, which was very bad order. GS objected, and was then subjected to bullying and threats by TSL, which resulted in GS walking out of the meeting. TSL is a disgrace, and is not fit to be a councillor. She is an autocratic bully.[/p][/quote]Keep up the good work Gwen. I reckon this webcast might be the most popular ever when they publish it lol.[/p][/quote]Agree - interesting that the council agreed for the meeting to be broadcast and viewed live, presumably in adequate sound and visual quality. Seemingly editing is now required (?) before the recorded version is made available for the public to view following on from reports in the public press (& when for me more convinient). Half expect to see a recorded version on Youtube where the words don't fit with the movement of peoples mouths - like on Monkey Magic!! HeworthM
  • Score: -94

1:46pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

Prob wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
Older Sometimes Wiser wrote: As no one from the Press appears able to stop the " score manipulation" I wonder whether this could be an "in house operator " or past employee with a grudge? Just a thought !
He/she is getting inventive now - random/targeted manipulation instead of blanket. Come and get me you muppet !
I have just manipulated your score. I added a +1.
Thank you :)

I do not however, consider your sensible, honest allocation of +1 to be 'manipulation'. I consider it to be a legitimate, fair expression of your view.
[quote][p][bold]Prob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Older Sometimes Wiser[/bold] wrote: As no one from the Press appears able to stop the " score manipulation" I wonder whether this could be an "in house operator " or past employee with a grudge? Just a thought ![/p][/quote]He/she is getting inventive now - random/targeted manipulation instead of blanket. Come and get me you muppet ![/p][/quote]I have just manipulated your score. I added a +1.[/p][/quote]Thank you :) I do not however, consider your sensible, honest allocation of +1 to be 'manipulation'. I consider it to be a legitimate, fair expression of your view. Badgers Drift
  • Score: -120

1:50pm Wed 2 Apr 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
Older Sometimes Wiser wrote:
As no one from the Press appears able to stop the " score manipulation" I wonder whether this could be an "in house operator " or past employee with a grudge? Just a thought !
He/she is getting inventive now - random/targeted manipulation instead of blanket.

Come and get me you muppet !
Wow you're really still banging on about it?

You keep going and they'll keep going. I'm not sure how this doesn't add up to you?
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Older Sometimes Wiser[/bold] wrote: As no one from the Press appears able to stop the " score manipulation" I wonder whether this could be an "in house operator " or past employee with a grudge? Just a thought ![/p][/quote]He/she is getting inventive now - random/targeted manipulation instead of blanket. Come and get me you muppet ![/p][/quote]Wow you're really still banging on about it? You keep going and they'll keep going. I'm not sure how this doesn't add up to you? AGuyFromStrensall
  • Score: -142

1:51pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Haywire says...

mitch2nd wrote:
It just goes to show that we have people running our local council that don't have a clue.

This is basic research as an retired CEO of a large company I would research something like this to death, maybe it was some big words that confused our local decision makers.

I hope that this is upheld and that they have to pay back all the money plus interest and issue a full apology

Business people like myself should run councils, at least we live in the reel world and wouldn't do it just to because we want to get our faces in the papers, shocking
Well, I have to say that I'm quite pleased that you are not running our local administration, based on the standard of your note.
[quote][p][bold]mitch2nd[/bold] wrote: It just goes to show that we have people running our local council that don't have a clue. This is basic research as an retired CEO of a large company I would research something like this to death, maybe it was some big words that confused our local decision makers. I hope that this is upheld and that they have to pay back all the money plus interest and issue a full apology Business people like myself should run councils, at least we live in the reel world and wouldn't do it just to because we want to get our faces in the papers, shocking[/p][/quote]Well, I have to say that I'm quite pleased that you are not running our local administration, based on the standard of your note. Haywire
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2:00pm Wed 2 Apr 14

gmsgop says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
Sage9 wrote:
Can anyone tell me the date of the meeting where TLS was chairing, referred to above?
It was yesterday's (1st April) cabinet meeting.

I watched the live webcast, and was disgusted at her conduct.

She rudely interupted public speaker Gwen Swinburn, and cut her off. It was clearly a gagging tactic to disallow criticism. I have seen numerous council meetings and never seen this, even where a speaker is outspoken aand critical of the council. TSL and KE, who clearly prompted the interuption, have got it in for Gwem. The reason for this is that Gwen is a governance expert who has exposed numerous breaches by the council. KE is frightened of her, because Gwen has shown how badly run the council is in respect of governance, tranparency and democracy.

Later in the meeting, TSL made critical reference to GS and her job experience, which was very bad order. GS objected, and was then subjected to bullying and threats by TSL, which resulted in GS walking out of the meeting. TSL is a disgrace, and is not fit to be a councillor. She is an autocratic bully.
Thanks - Gwen Here - the webcast will show how inappropriate Tracey Simpson Laing's behaviour was, first as I was bullied into silence in the 3 minute public session - sad really as I was about to propose again, a collaborative way forward to try and get more trust and confidence in the Council back. That was simple pulpit bullying, abuse of public office in my opinion.
But she went on to make it so much worse by completely misrepresenting what I said ( nothing new there) but when she said I should have known better because of my work - she stepped over the threshold. My work is what gives me the basis for demanding cost benefit analysis, risk assessments, project planning, outcome measurement, governance and transparency issues. All these things we should not have to worry about in a well run local government.

To repeat - I am not against the UNESCO bid - I wanted to know what the costs and benefits were if we are using the public purse- now what is wrong with that? She tried to misrepresent me implying I was against the bid.

So Tracey overstepped the mark, cabinet members and all others watching ( as many have now told me) recognise she lost it, abusing me in public, bullying and threatening me- no councillor can do that to citizens, I simply got up and told it how it was, the truth - as always for those that know me.

But, they stopped the webcast - so friends let's learn from this - keep those iPad recording devices on- and check for 'edits' or 'microphone' issues - we need a timer on the webcast - just for transparency.

Meanwhile thanks for all kind messages - never quite imagined it would be such a battle (in this country) to have good governance and transparency.
Gwen Swinburn
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sage9[/bold] wrote: Can anyone tell me the date of the meeting where TLS was chairing, referred to above?[/p][/quote]It was yesterday's (1st April) cabinet meeting. I watched the live webcast, and was disgusted at her conduct. She rudely interupted public speaker Gwen Swinburn, and cut her off. It was clearly a gagging tactic to disallow criticism. I have seen numerous council meetings and never seen this, even where a speaker is outspoken aand critical of the council. TSL and KE, who clearly prompted the interuption, have got it in for Gwem. The reason for this is that Gwen is a governance expert who has exposed numerous breaches by the council. KE is frightened of her, because Gwen has shown how badly run the council is in respect of governance, tranparency and democracy. Later in the meeting, TSL made critical reference to GS and her job experience, which was very bad order. GS objected, and was then subjected to bullying and threats by TSL, which resulted in GS walking out of the meeting. TSL is a disgrace, and is not fit to be a councillor. She is an autocratic bully.[/p][/quote]Thanks - Gwen Here - the webcast will show how inappropriate Tracey Simpson Laing's behaviour was, first as I was bullied into silence in the 3 minute public session - sad really as I was about to propose again, a collaborative way forward to try and get more trust and confidence in the Council back. That was simple pulpit bullying, abuse of public office in my opinion. But she went on to make it so much worse by completely misrepresenting what I said ( nothing new there) but when she said I should have known better because of my work - she stepped over the threshold. My work is what gives me the basis for demanding cost benefit analysis, risk assessments, project planning, outcome measurement, governance and transparency issues. All these things we should not have to worry about in a well run local government. To repeat - I am not against the UNESCO bid - I wanted to know what the costs and benefits were if we are using the public purse- now what is wrong with that? She tried to misrepresent me implying I was against the bid. So Tracey overstepped the mark, cabinet members and all others watching ( as many have now told me) recognise she lost it, abusing me in public, bullying and threatening me- no councillor can do that to citizens, I simply got up and told it how it was, the truth - as always for those that know me. But, they stopped the webcast - so friends let's learn from this - keep those iPad recording devices on- and check for 'edits' or 'microphone' issues - we need a timer on the webcast - just for transparency. Meanwhile thanks for all kind messages - never quite imagined it would be such a battle (in this country) to have good governance and transparency. Gwen Swinburn gmsgop
  • Score: -38

2:03pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Igiveinthen wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
again wrote:
The UK is experiencing heavy pollution today, much of it is caused by NO2 emissions (from vehicles not commenters!). Apparently for more than 15 years the UK has failed to reduce nitrogen dioxide (NO2) air pollution levels and is now facing legal proceedings within the EU.

We are a car economy; presumably wealth beats health. Any attempts to reduce car use faces stiff opposition from lobbyists.

There is also the issue of climate change that is shoved into a corner. Apparently the BBC is facing criticism for giving opinions the same weight of credence as the findings of genuine scientists. The huge majority of the latter find that climate change is caused by human activity.

We face increasingly frequent spells of severe weather but there is nothing we can do about it because of our own foolishness and short sighted self-interest. That is all there is to it, welcome to the world of the dinosaurs!
So you don't own a car ?
He probably does but won't admit to it, just like he won't admit the pollution levels are exacerbated by very unusual atmospheric conditions trapping fine sand from the Sahara Desert, as was explained by the weather reporters on the television weather reports.
He probably never will. These "green" types generally seem to live their lives exactly the same as "non greens" but they love to preach. So when they admit that they own a car you get a whole raft of justifications eg "I need it to take my 90 year old mother to hospital". Hypocrites.
[quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]again[/bold] wrote: The UK is experiencing heavy pollution today, much of it is caused by NO2 emissions (from vehicles not commenters!). Apparently for more than 15 years the UK has failed to reduce nitrogen dioxide (NO2) air pollution levels and is now facing legal proceedings within the EU. We are a car economy; presumably wealth beats health. Any attempts to reduce car use faces stiff opposition from lobbyists. There is also the issue of climate change that is shoved into a corner. Apparently the BBC is facing criticism for giving opinions the same weight of credence as the findings of genuine scientists. The huge majority of the latter find that climate change is caused by human activity. We face increasingly frequent spells of severe weather but there is nothing we can do about it because of our own foolishness and short sighted self-interest. That is all there is to it, welcome to the world of the dinosaurs![/p][/quote]So you don't own a car ?[/p][/quote]He probably does but won't admit to it, just like he won't admit the pollution levels are exacerbated by very unusual atmospheric conditions trapping fine sand from the Sahara Desert, as was explained by the weather reporters on the television weather reports.[/p][/quote]He probably never will. These "green" types generally seem to live their lives exactly the same as "non greens" but they love to preach. So when they admit that they own a car you get a whole raft of justifications eg "I need it to take my 90 year old mother to hospital". Hypocrites. Pinza-C55
  • Score: -124

2:09pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Meldrew2 wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
courier46 wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
courier46 wrote:
peter123456 wrote: Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.
It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras. Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it
The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other. 20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.
You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun? On what basis is your article factual?
I've been driving for over 40 years and have a pretty good idea what spead cars are doing. I take it you either don't drive or have very little experience of driving? Come back when you have!
How funny you are! If you have read any of my responses you will know I drive for a living. I think you are the novice.
In that case you have obviously been driving with your eyes closed! If you can't estimate the speed of a car on the road you are a danger to yourself, your passengers and other road users! How do you ever get out at a junction I wonder?
Right so i will ask this... what makes a dangerous speed? i have lived on that road for the majority of my life. Poeple do not cross it. Accidents do not happen? so why do you care if someone is doing even 45mph? its a link to a ring road? and i'll say this driving a car at a speed and seeing an object pass at speed are 2 different things. Did any of these reckless speeders crash or cause danger? no? so get lost with your 20 is plenty cr@p down that area. Its a road with a path on one side with hardly any pedestrians crossing? 40mph is fine! then if you add on the % over you can go with the speed limit 43mph is a safe speed!!!! get a grip!
You are one the exact drivers that dont care about anybody and quite clearly dont pay attention as there are paths on both sides of the road on the section between Moorcroft Rd and Tadcaster Rd roundabout.I dont want a blanket 20mph but if 95 per cent are getting it why shouldn`t the residents feel safe when walking with there children or grandchildren.It is just not the road is quite narrow also the paths are and 40mph is deft not acceptable.
Why not it was in the past without problems? ok for say 1/6 of the route there is a path. For the other mile there isn’t. Yes I’m a well bad driver with no speeding tickets, crashes or points. He is a thought for you. if you make that 20mph (that can not be enforced!!!!!)and someone is going that speed. Me and all the other idiot drivers will simply overtake them. What carries more risk do you think? 40mph on a road that can easily be driven at 40mph with clear visibility and little pedestrian use or having people overtake the few minor incompetent drivers that can go no faster then 20mph due to the reaction time it takes for them to break?
A 20 mph will not work on Moor Lane as it's not enforceable and the idiots won't take any notice anyway. What's needed is more deterrent to stop those who regularly drive in excess of the current 30mph limit.. As for those who think it's safe to drive down there at 40mph plus because there have been no accidents then I expect you don't have a young family to worry about, don't cross the road to catch the bus or go to the shops or take your dog for a walk! I challenge you to stand by the speed signs at 4-5pm and count how many times it flashes at speeding drivers.
I challenge you to cross the road safely when it is free of cars! There are 2 bus stops on a side where you would have to cross. Both have clear views of vehicles for at least 100m. If you can’t cross safely then you have bigger issues then the risk of cars. Also there are no shops down there (The closet ones would be woodthorpe). Again if you want to cross with your dog do it at a point of safety it is a road, 40mph is not hard to avoid safely. Or better still take your dog away from moor late and let it have a proper walk on grass! As for kids no I don’t have any. But if i did i'd tell them not to cross moor lane! funnily enough my mum said that to me when I was younger (when it was 40mph!) and guess what I’m alive!!! If you are that risk averse to life wrap yourself in bubble wrap but don’t punish others because you have fears.
[quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter123456[/bold] wrote: Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.[/p][/quote]It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras. Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it[/p][/quote]The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other. 20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.[/p][/quote]You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun? On what basis is your article factual?[/p][/quote]I've been driving for over 40 years and have a pretty good idea what spead cars are doing. I take it you either don't drive or have very little experience of driving? Come back when you have![/p][/quote]How funny you are! If you have read any of my responses you will know I drive for a living. I think you are the novice.[/p][/quote]In that case you have obviously been driving with your eyes closed! If you can't estimate the speed of a car on the road you are a danger to yourself, your passengers and other road users! How do you ever get out at a junction I wonder?[/p][/quote]Right so i will ask this... what makes a dangerous speed? i have lived on that road for the majority of my life. Poeple do not cross it. Accidents do not happen? so why do you care if someone is doing even 45mph? its a link to a ring road? and i'll say this driving a car at a speed and seeing an object pass at speed are 2 different things. Did any of these reckless speeders crash or cause danger? no? so get lost with your 20 is plenty cr@p down that area. Its a road with a path on one side with hardly any pedestrians crossing? 40mph is fine! then if you add on the % over you can go with the speed limit 43mph is a safe speed!!!! get a grip![/p][/quote]You are one the exact drivers that dont care about anybody and quite clearly dont pay attention as there are paths on both sides of the road on the section between Moorcroft Rd and Tadcaster Rd roundabout.I dont want a blanket 20mph but if 95 per cent are getting it why shouldn`t the residents feel safe when walking with there children or grandchildren.It is just not the road is quite narrow also the paths are and 40mph is deft not acceptable.[/p][/quote]Why not it was in the past without problems? ok for say 1/6 of the route there is a path. For the other mile there isn’t. Yes I’m a well bad driver with no speeding tickets, crashes or points. He is a thought for you. if you make that 20mph (that can not be enforced!!!!!)and someone is going that speed. Me and all the other idiot drivers will simply overtake them. What carries more risk do you think? 40mph on a road that can easily be driven at 40mph with clear visibility and little pedestrian use or having people overtake the few minor incompetent drivers that can go no faster then 20mph due to the reaction time it takes for them to break?[/p][/quote]A 20 mph will not work on Moor Lane as it's not enforceable and the idiots won't take any notice anyway. What's needed is more deterrent to stop those who regularly drive in excess of the current 30mph limit.. As for those who think it's safe to drive down there at 40mph plus because there have been no accidents then I expect you don't have a young family to worry about, don't cross the road to catch the bus or go to the shops or take your dog for a walk! I challenge you to stand by the speed signs at 4-5pm and count how many times it flashes at speeding drivers.[/p][/quote]I challenge you to cross the road safely when it is free of cars! There are 2 bus stops on a side where you would have to cross. Both have clear views of vehicles for at least 100m. If you can’t cross safely then you have bigger issues then the risk of cars. Also there are no shops down there (The closet ones would be woodthorpe). Again if you want to cross with your dog do it at a point of safety it is a road, 40mph is not hard to avoid safely. Or better still take your dog away from moor late and let it have a proper walk on grass! As for kids no I don’t have any. But if i did i'd tell them not to cross moor lane! funnily enough my mum said that to me when I was younger (when it was 40mph!) and guess what I’m alive!!! If you are that risk averse to life wrap yourself in bubble wrap but don’t punish others because you have fears. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -203

2:11pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Dr Brian says...

York Central Lib Dems have tweeted

"Understand ANPR camera enforcement now suspended on Lendal bridge and Coppergate restrictions. Fear of maladministration judgement?"

Presume that means we can go over the bridge now and not be fined?
York Central Lib Dems have tweeted "Understand ANPR camera enforcement now suspended on Lendal bridge and Coppergate restrictions. Fear of maladministration judgement?" Presume that means we can go over the bridge now and not be fined? Dr Brian
  • Score: -93

2:13pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
courier46 wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
courier46 wrote:
peter123456 wrote: Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.
It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras. Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it
The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other. 20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.
You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun? On what basis is your article factual?
I've been driving for over 40 years and have a pretty good idea what spead cars are doing. I take it you either don't drive or have very little experience of driving? Come back when you have!
How funny you are! If you have read any of my responses you will know I drive for a living. I think you are the novice.
In that case you have obviously been driving with your eyes closed! If you can't estimate the speed of a car on the road you are a danger to yourself, your passengers and other road users! How do you ever get out at a junction I wonder?
Right so i will ask this... what makes a dangerous speed? i have lived on that road for the majority of my life. Poeple do not cross it. Accidents do not happen? so why do you care if someone is doing even 45mph? its a link to a ring road? and i'll say this driving a car at a speed and seeing an object pass at speed are 2 different things. Did any of these reckless speeders crash or cause danger? no? so get lost with your 20 is plenty cr@p down that area. Its a road with a path on one side with hardly any pedestrians crossing? 40mph is fine! then if you add on the % over you can go with the speed limit 43mph is a safe speed!!!! get a grip!
You are one the exact drivers that dont care about anybody and quite clearly dont pay attention as there are paths on both sides of the road on the section between Moorcroft Rd and Tadcaster Rd roundabout.I dont want a blanket 20mph but if 95 per cent are getting it why shouldn`t the residents feel safe when walking with there children or grandchildren.It is just not the road is quite narrow also the paths are and 40mph is deft not acceptable.
Why not it was in the past without problems? ok for say 1/6 of the route there is a path. For the other mile there isn’t. Yes I’m a well bad driver with no speeding tickets, crashes or points. He is a thought for you. if you make that 20mph (that can not be enforced!!!!!)and someone is going that speed. Me and all the other idiot drivers will simply overtake them. What carries more risk do you think? 40mph on a road that can easily be driven at 40mph with clear visibility and little pedestrian use or having people overtake the few minor incompetent drivers that can go no faster then 20mph due to the reaction time it takes for them to break?
A 20 mph will not work on Moor Lane as it's not enforceable and the idiots won't take any notice anyway. What's needed is more deterrent to stop those who regularly drive in excess of the current 30mph limit.. As for those who think it's safe to drive down there at 40mph plus because there have been no accidents then I expect you don't have a young family to worry about, don't cross the road to catch the bus or go to the shops or take your dog for a walk! I challenge you to stand by the speed signs at 4-5pm and count how many times it flashes at speeding drivers.
I challenge you to cross the road safely when it is free of cars! There are 2 bus stops on a side where you would have to cross. Both have clear views of vehicles for at least 100m. If you can’t cross safely then you have bigger issues then the risk of cars. Also there are no shops down there (The closet ones would be woodthorpe). Again if you want to cross with your dog do it at a point of safety it is a road, 40mph is not hard to avoid safely. Or better still take your dog away from moor late and let it have a proper walk on grass! As for kids no I don’t have any. But if i did i'd tell them not to cross moor lane! funnily enough my mum said that to me when I was younger (when it was 40mph!) and guess what I’m alive!!! If you are that risk averse to life wrap yourself in bubble wrap but don’t punish others because you have fears.
oh and it flashes as people are comfortable going faster then 30mph on a straight road with pedestrains on one side with no need to cross. Apart from teh 100-150m from the round about to which you cant get up to over 30mph anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter123456[/bold] wrote: Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.[/p][/quote]It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras. Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it[/p][/quote]The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other. 20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.[/p][/quote]You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun? On what basis is your article factual?[/p][/quote]I've been driving for over 40 years and have a pretty good idea what spead cars are doing. I take it you either don't drive or have very little experience of driving? Come back when you have![/p][/quote]How funny you are! If you have read any of my responses you will know I drive for a living. I think you are the novice.[/p][/quote]In that case you have obviously been driving with your eyes closed! If you can't estimate the speed of a car on the road you are a danger to yourself, your passengers and other road users! How do you ever get out at a junction I wonder?[/p][/quote]Right so i will ask this... what makes a dangerous speed? i have lived on that road for the majority of my life. Poeple do not cross it. Accidents do not happen? so why do you care if someone is doing even 45mph? its a link to a ring road? and i'll say this driving a car at a speed and seeing an object pass at speed are 2 different things. Did any of these reckless speeders crash or cause danger? no? so get lost with your 20 is plenty cr@p down that area. Its a road with a path on one side with hardly any pedestrians crossing? 40mph is fine! then if you add on the % over you can go with the speed limit 43mph is a safe speed!!!! get a grip![/p][/quote]You are one the exact drivers that dont care about anybody and quite clearly dont pay attention as there are paths on both sides of the road on the section between Moorcroft Rd and Tadcaster Rd roundabout.I dont want a blanket 20mph but if 95 per cent are getting it why shouldn`t the residents feel safe when walking with there children or grandchildren.It is just not the road is quite narrow also the paths are and 40mph is deft not acceptable.[/p][/quote]Why not it was in the past without problems? ok for say 1/6 of the route there is a path. For the other mile there isn’t. Yes I’m a well bad driver with no speeding tickets, crashes or points. He is a thought for you. if you make that 20mph (that can not be enforced!!!!!)and someone is going that speed. Me and all the other idiot drivers will simply overtake them. What carries more risk do you think? 40mph on a road that can easily be driven at 40mph with clear visibility and little pedestrian use or having people overtake the few minor incompetent drivers that can go no faster then 20mph due to the reaction time it takes for them to break?[/p][/quote]A 20 mph will not work on Moor Lane as it's not enforceable and the idiots won't take any notice anyway. What's needed is more deterrent to stop those who regularly drive in excess of the current 30mph limit.. As for those who think it's safe to drive down there at 40mph plus because there have been no accidents then I expect you don't have a young family to worry about, don't cross the road to catch the bus or go to the shops or take your dog for a walk! I challenge you to stand by the speed signs at 4-5pm and count how many times it flashes at speeding drivers.[/p][/quote]I challenge you to cross the road safely when it is free of cars! There are 2 bus stops on a side where you would have to cross. Both have clear views of vehicles for at least 100m. If you can’t cross safely then you have bigger issues then the risk of cars. Also there are no shops down there (The closet ones would be woodthorpe). Again if you want to cross with your dog do it at a point of safety it is a road, 40mph is not hard to avoid safely. Or better still take your dog away from moor late and let it have a proper walk on grass! As for kids no I don’t have any. But if i did i'd tell them not to cross moor lane! funnily enough my mum said that to me when I was younger (when it was 40mph!) and guess what I’m alive!!! If you are that risk averse to life wrap yourself in bubble wrap but don’t punish others because you have fears.[/p][/quote]oh and it flashes as people are comfortable going faster then 30mph on a straight road with pedestrains on one side with no need to cross. Apart from teh 100-150m from the round about to which you cant get up to over 30mph anyway. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -56

2:22pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

courier46 wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
courier46 wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
courier46 wrote:
peter123456 wrote: Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.
It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras. Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it
The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other. 20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.
You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun? On what basis is your article factual?
I've been driving for over 40 years and have a pretty good idea what spead cars are doing. I take it you either don't drive or have very little experience of driving? Come back when you have!
How funny you are! If you have read any of my responses you will know I drive for a living. I think you are the novice.
In that case you have obviously been driving with your eyes closed! If you can't estimate the speed of a car on the road you are a danger to yourself, your passengers and other road users! How do you ever get out at a junction I wonder?
Right so i will ask this... what makes a dangerous speed? i have lived on that road for the majority of my life. Poeple do not cross it. Accidents do not happen? so why do you care if someone is doing even 45mph? its a link to a ring road? and i'll say this driving a car at a speed and seeing an object pass at speed are 2 different things. Did any of these reckless speeders crash or cause danger? no? so get lost with your 20 is plenty cr@p down that area. Its a road with a path on one side with hardly any pedestrians crossing? 40mph is fine! then if you add on the % over you can go with the speed limit 43mph is a safe speed!!!! get a grip!
You are one the exact drivers that dont care about anybody and quite clearly dont pay attention as there are paths on both sides of the road on the section between Moorcroft Rd and Tadcaster Rd roundabout.I dont want a blanket 20mph but if 95 per cent are getting it why shouldn`t the residents feel safe when walking with there children or grandchildren.It is just not the road is quite narrow also the paths are and 40mph is deft not acceptable.
Why not it was in the past without problems? ok for say 1/6 of the route there is a path. For the other mile there isn’t. Yes I’m a well bad driver with no speeding tickets, crashes or points. He is a thought for you. if you make that 20mph (that can not be enforced!!!!!)and someone is going that speed. Me and all the other idiot drivers will simply overtake them. What carries more risk do you think? 40mph on a road that can easily be driven at 40mph with clear visibility and little pedestrian use or having people overtake the few minor incompetent drivers that can go no faster then 20mph due to the reaction time it takes for them to break?
So you have just admitted that you would break the law by overtaking someone doing 20mph in 20mph zone so maybe you have been very lucky so far in not getting caught and not harming anybody because it sounds to me that you dont mind breaking the law.To answer your question i think 20mph would be safer (i am against the 20mph thing by the way but if i`m driving at 20mph in most peoples streets then why should they come on mine and drive at your 40-43mph).40mph is too fast on what you call "1/6 of Moor Lane".Tell you what you can have your 30-43mph and i`ll have my 20-30mph on my 1/6 of Moor Lane
Yes i would break the law if someone was going 20mph and overtake and speed... Quick tell the police to arrest me and issue me with 3 points and a fine. on a road that straight and long having cyclists overtake me would not be acceptable. I know I’m mental and a danger to society. Ah so others are punished in streets where you can not reach 20mph so you want yours to follow suit. Do you have poor visability of on coming traffic? is there a school near by? is it highly pedestrians? In all fairness you should try pulling out and parking on tadcaster road... its far harder then i found moor lane. But yet again some how i was one of the lucky 100% that have managed this competently within the last 10 years. I should count myself lucky as if someone was going 44mph i could have been guts for garter.
[quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter123456[/bold] wrote: Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.[/p][/quote]It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras. Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it[/p][/quote]The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other. 20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.[/p][/quote]You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun? On what basis is your article factual?[/p][/quote]I've been driving for over 40 years and have a pretty good idea what spead cars are doing. I take it you either don't drive or have very little experience of driving? Come back when you have![/p][/quote]How funny you are! If you have read any of my responses you will know I drive for a living. I think you are the novice.[/p][/quote]In that case you have obviously been driving with your eyes closed! If you can't estimate the speed of a car on the road you are a danger to yourself, your passengers and other road users! How do you ever get out at a junction I wonder?[/p][/quote]Right so i will ask this... what makes a dangerous speed? i have lived on that road for the majority of my life. Poeple do not cross it. Accidents do not happen? so why do you care if someone is doing even 45mph? its a link to a ring road? and i'll say this driving a car at a speed and seeing an object pass at speed are 2 different things. Did any of these reckless speeders crash or cause danger? no? so get lost with your 20 is plenty cr@p down that area. Its a road with a path on one side with hardly any pedestrians crossing? 40mph is fine! then if you add on the % over you can go with the speed limit 43mph is a safe speed!!!! get a grip![/p][/quote]You are one the exact drivers that dont care about anybody and quite clearly dont pay attention as there are paths on both sides of the road on the section between Moorcroft Rd and Tadcaster Rd roundabout.I dont want a blanket 20mph but if 95 per cent are getting it why shouldn`t the residents feel safe when walking with there children or grandchildren.It is just not the road is quite narrow also the paths are and 40mph is deft not acceptable.[/p][/quote]Why not it was in the past without problems? ok for say 1/6 of the route there is a path. For the other mile there isn’t. Yes I’m a well bad driver with no speeding tickets, crashes or points. He is a thought for you. if you make that 20mph (that can not be enforced!!!!!)and someone is going that speed. Me and all the other idiot drivers will simply overtake them. What carries more risk do you think? 40mph on a road that can easily be driven at 40mph with clear visibility and little pedestrian use or having people overtake the few minor incompetent drivers that can go no faster then 20mph due to the reaction time it takes for them to break?[/p][/quote]So you have just admitted that you would break the law by overtaking someone doing 20mph in 20mph zone so maybe you have been very lucky so far in not getting caught and not harming anybody because it sounds to me that you dont mind breaking the law.To answer your question i think 20mph would be safer (i am against the 20mph thing by the way but if i`m driving at 20mph in most peoples streets then why should they come on mine and drive at your 40-43mph).40mph is too fast on what you call "1/6 of Moor Lane".Tell you what you can have your 30-43mph and i`ll have my 20-30mph on my 1/6 of Moor Lane[/p][/quote]Yes i would break the law if someone was going 20mph and overtake and speed... Quick tell the police to arrest me and issue me with 3 points and a fine. on a road that straight and long having cyclists overtake me would not be acceptable. I know I’m mental and a danger to society. Ah so others are punished in streets where you can not reach 20mph so you want yours to follow suit. Do you have poor visability of on coming traffic? is there a school near by? is it highly pedestrians? In all fairness you should try pulling out and parking on tadcaster road... its far harder then i found moor lane. But yet again some how i was one of the lucky 100% that have managed this competently within the last 10 years. I should count myself lucky as if someone was going 44mph i could have been guts for garter. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -202

2:28pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Overproof says...

York Central LibDems have just posted on Twitter that the ANPR cameras have been turned off
York Central LibDems have just posted on Twitter that the ANPR cameras have been turned off Overproof
  • Score: -155

2:42pm Wed 2 Apr 14

the original Homer says...

Dr Brian wrote:
York Central Lib Dems have tweeted

"Understand ANPR camera enforcement now suspended on Lendal bridge and Coppergate restrictions. Fear of maladministration judgement?"

Presume that means we can go over the bridge now and not be fined?
Not seen this anywhere official yet, but if it's true then common sense has finally prevailed.
Could it be that someone on the Council has actually read the comments on here and taken notice of public opinion?
If so, it would definitely be a first, but ll things are posssible.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: York Central Lib Dems have tweeted "Understand ANPR camera enforcement now suspended on Lendal bridge and Coppergate restrictions. Fear of maladministration judgement?" Presume that means we can go over the bridge now and not be fined?[/p][/quote]Not seen this anywhere official yet, but if it's true then common sense has finally prevailed. Could it be that someone on the Council has actually read the comments on here and taken notice of public opinion? If so, it would definitely be a first, but ll things are posssible. the original Homer
  • Score: -66

2:47pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Knavesmire view says...

the original Homer wrote:
Dr Brian wrote:
York Central Lib Dems have tweeted

"Understand ANPR camera enforcement now suspended on Lendal bridge and Coppergate restrictions. Fear of maladministration judgement?"

Presume that means we can go over the bridge now and not be fined?
Not seen this anywhere official yet, but if it's true then common sense has finally prevailed.
Could it be that someone on the Council has actually read the comments on here and taken notice of public opinion?
If so, it would definitely be a first, but ll things are posssible.
I suspect it will be more to do with independent legal advice will have told them, you've been found to be doing this illegally, I'd stop for now until any appeal decision is made!

Not that they should have needed advice, it was common sense from the minute it was announced yesterday, they are just too pig ignorant to accept they are wrong!
[quote][p][bold]the original Homer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: York Central Lib Dems have tweeted "Understand ANPR camera enforcement now suspended on Lendal bridge and Coppergate restrictions. Fear of maladministration judgement?" Presume that means we can go over the bridge now and not be fined?[/p][/quote]Not seen this anywhere official yet, but if it's true then common sense has finally prevailed. Could it be that someone on the Council has actually read the comments on here and taken notice of public opinion? If so, it would definitely be a first, but ll things are posssible.[/p][/quote]I suspect it will be more to do with independent legal advice will have told them, you've been found to be doing this illegally, I'd stop for now until any appeal decision is made! Not that they should have needed advice, it was common sense from the minute it was announced yesterday, they are just too pig ignorant to accept they are wrong! Knavesmire view
  • Score: -107

3:08pm Wed 2 Apr 14

greenmonkey says...

again wrote:
The UK is experiencing heavy pollution today, much of it is caused by NO2 emissions (from vehicles not commenters!). Apparently for more than 15 years the UK has failed to reduce nitrogen dioxide (NO2) air pollution levels and is now facing legal proceedings within the EU.

We are a car economy; presumably wealth beats health. Any attempts to reduce car use faces stiff opposition from lobbyists.

There is also the issue of climate change that is shoved into a corner. Apparently the BBC is facing criticism for giving opinions the same weight of credence as the findings of genuine scientists. The huge majority of the latter find that climate change is caused by human activity.

We face increasingly frequent spells of severe weather but there is nothing we can do about it because of our own foolishness and short sighted self-interest. That is all there is to it, welcome to the world of the dinosaurs!
Well said. This is rather like Noah's family complaining about the inconvenience of building an ark !
[quote][p][bold]again[/bold] wrote: The UK is experiencing heavy pollution today, much of it is caused by NO2 emissions (from vehicles not commenters!). Apparently for more than 15 years the UK has failed to reduce nitrogen dioxide (NO2) air pollution levels and is now facing legal proceedings within the EU. We are a car economy; presumably wealth beats health. Any attempts to reduce car use faces stiff opposition from lobbyists. There is also the issue of climate change that is shoved into a corner. Apparently the BBC is facing criticism for giving opinions the same weight of credence as the findings of genuine scientists. The huge majority of the latter find that climate change is caused by human activity. We face increasingly frequent spells of severe weather but there is nothing we can do about it because of our own foolishness and short sighted self-interest. That is all there is to it, welcome to the world of the dinosaurs![/p][/quote]Well said. This is rather like Noah's family complaining about the inconvenience of building an ark ! greenmonkey
  • Score: -100

3:16pm Wed 2 Apr 14

piaggio1 says...

Just what the hell has moor lane got to do with this article? ??
Grow up you two...
Just what the hell has moor lane got to do with this article? ?? Grow up you two... piaggio1
  • Score: -226

3:33pm Wed 2 Apr 14

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

pedalling paul wrote:
NoNewsIsGoodNews wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Oh dearie me. My doppleganger has been getting some flak here, and in the Press letters page as well. Bit of a ding dong. But let's remember what lies beneath the waves. Hundreds of car drivers were daily cocking a snoot at the Coppergate restrictions, and thereby disrupting the flow of buses and taxis.
ANPR technology is clearly more effective than an occasional police officer's visit. Before the technology was introduced, Council Officers would have taken internal and external advice on the legalities, then made their recommendations to elected Councillors. The Councillors are not themselves legal experts so must lean heavily upon the advice which they receive. That's what happened here.
The same advice would have gone to Councillors of other Parties if they had happened to be in control, and those Councillors would have similarly accepted it. So rather than staging a pre-election baying for blood, the present Opposition Councillors should perhaps support their Labour colleagues in seeking to get further clarification of the legal position. And at the end of the day, national Government must ensure that legal powers and advice are properly constructed, so that Local Authorities can use the benefits of ANPR enforcement without having to look over their shoulders all the time.
You sir are a delusional fool and just as guilty as the councillors for promoting anti car measures in York which has ultimately led to this fiasco.
Everybody understands that cycling suits your retired and living very close to town lifestyle, but you don't seem able to grasp the blindingly obvious fact that it doesn't suit everybody else's.
Have you considered that, if I live close to town as you suggest, then by choosing to cycle for many of my local journeys, I am not using excessive road space which leaves more for those who genuinely need to use a car.

The advice that York requested will most likely have come from Government/national agencies who set the rules for ANPR enforcement and signage

Instead of baying for blood, it would be more sensible to lean on our local MP's to urgently seek clarification, not just for York's sake but for all Local Authorities.

There is absolutely no doubt that without the past measures taken by various CoYC administrations, York would already be experiencing real gridlock, rather than by the forecast date of 2031-ish. If one issue should be above party politics it is transport planning. Cross party support for the goals of York's current Local Transport Plan is the only option ie to further reduce car dependancy. That's not anti-car, but pro those who need rather than want to drive around the City.
I said it before and I will say it again, but a bit louder this time as you are obviously becoming hard of hearing in your twilight years.

YOU SIR ARE A DELUSIONAL FOOL.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NoNewsIsGoodNews[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Oh dearie me. My doppleganger has been getting some flak here, and in the Press letters page as well. Bit of a ding dong. But let's remember what lies beneath the waves. Hundreds of car drivers were daily cocking a snoot at the Coppergate restrictions, and thereby disrupting the flow of buses and taxis. ANPR technology is clearly more effective than an occasional police officer's visit. Before the technology was introduced, Council Officers would have taken internal and external advice on the legalities, then made their recommendations to elected Councillors. The Councillors are not themselves legal experts so must lean heavily upon the advice which they receive. That's what happened here. The same advice would have gone to Councillors of other Parties if they had happened to be in control, and those Councillors would have similarly accepted it. So rather than staging a pre-election baying for blood, the present Opposition Councillors should perhaps support their Labour colleagues in seeking to get further clarification of the legal position. And at the end of the day, national Government must ensure that legal powers and advice are properly constructed, so that Local Authorities can use the benefits of ANPR enforcement without having to look over their shoulders all the time.[/p][/quote]You sir are a delusional fool and just as guilty as the councillors for promoting anti car measures in York which has ultimately led to this fiasco. Everybody understands that cycling suits your retired and living very close to town lifestyle, but you don't seem able to grasp the blindingly obvious fact that it doesn't suit everybody else's.[/p][/quote]Have you considered that, if I live close to town as you suggest, then by choosing to cycle for many of my local journeys, I am not using excessive road space which leaves more for those who genuinely need to use a car. The advice that York requested will most likely have come from Government/national agencies who set the rules for ANPR enforcement and signage Instead of baying for blood, it would be more sensible to lean on our local MP's to urgently seek clarification, not just for York's sake but for all Local Authorities. There is absolutely no doubt that without the past measures taken by various CoYC administrations, York would already be experiencing real gridlock, rather than by the forecast date of 2031-ish. If one issue should be above party politics it is transport planning. Cross party support for the goals of York's current Local Transport Plan is the only option ie to further reduce car dependancy. That's not anti-car, but pro those who need rather than want to drive around the City.[/p][/quote]I said it before and I will say it again, but a bit louder this time as you are obviously becoming hard of hearing in your twilight years. YOU SIR ARE A DELUSIONAL FOOL. NoNewsIsGoodNews
  • Score: -53

3:38pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Dr Brian says...

Knavesmire view wrote:
the original Homer wrote:
Dr Brian wrote:
York Central Lib Dems have tweeted

"Understand ANPR camera enforcement now suspended on Lendal bridge and Coppergate restrictions. Fear of maladministration judgement?"

Presume that means we can go over the bridge now and not be fined?
Not seen this anywhere official yet, but if it's true then common sense has finally prevailed.
Could it be that someone on the Council has actually read the comments on here and taken notice of public opinion?
If so, it would definitely be a first, but ll things are posssible.
I suspect it will be more to do with independent legal advice will have told them, you've been found to be doing this illegally, I'd stop for now until any appeal decision is made!

Not that they should have needed advice, it was common sense from the minute it was announced yesterday, they are just too pig ignorant to accept they are wrong!
Council have responded to the Lib Dems Tweet and say the restrictions ARE still in place - so why did the Lib Dems Tweet in the first place?
[quote][p][bold]Knavesmire view[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the original Homer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: York Central Lib Dems have tweeted "Understand ANPR camera enforcement now suspended on Lendal bridge and Coppergate restrictions. Fear of maladministration judgement?" Presume that means we can go over the bridge now and not be fined?[/p][/quote]Not seen this anywhere official yet, but if it's true then common sense has finally prevailed. Could it be that someone on the Council has actually read the comments on here and taken notice of public opinion? If so, it would definitely be a first, but ll things are posssible.[/p][/quote]I suspect it will be more to do with independent legal advice will have told them, you've been found to be doing this illegally, I'd stop for now until any appeal decision is made! Not that they should have needed advice, it was common sense from the minute it was announced yesterday, they are just too pig ignorant to accept they are wrong![/p][/quote]Council have responded to the Lib Dems Tweet and say the restrictions ARE still in place - so why did the Lib Dems Tweet in the first place? Dr Brian
  • Score: -132

3:41pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Dr Brian says...

Interestingly enough Minster FM on their web site have issued a statement from James Alexander (I will copy it below but I expect the press may delete it because it shows Minster are way ahead of the Press with the news!

3:21pm 2nd April 2014
The Labour Leader of City of York Council has today written to the council’s Chief Executive confirming his request yesterday for an internal review into the implementation of the Lendal Bridge Trial. This follows comments from the Government's Traffic Adjudicator about enforcement of the Lendal Bridge and Coppergate traffic restrictions.

Coun. James Alexander said:

“The principle of reducing private traffic in our historic city centre is right given the increasing problem we have with congestion. Many successful cities around the world have embarked on the same bold journey. But we accept the implementation of this policy has not been to a standard my colleagues and I would expect.

“Therefore despite assurances from the Department for Transport on signage, traffic restrictions being in place along Coppergate since the late 1960s and the Lendal Bridge trial mirroring other restrictions around the country, and in light of new information from the Traffic Adjudicator, I have written to the Chief Executive confirming my request for an internal review of both the Lendal Bridge trial and enforcement of the Coppergate traffic restriction”.
Interestingly enough Minster FM on their web site have issued a statement from James Alexander (I will copy it below but I expect the press may delete it because it shows Minster are way ahead of the Press with the news! 3:21pm 2nd April 2014 The Labour Leader of City of York Council has today written to the council’s Chief Executive confirming his request yesterday for an internal review into the implementation of the Lendal Bridge Trial. This follows comments from the Government's Traffic Adjudicator about enforcement of the Lendal Bridge and Coppergate traffic restrictions. Coun. James Alexander said: “The principle of reducing private traffic in our historic city centre is right given the increasing problem we have with congestion. Many successful cities around the world have embarked on the same bold journey. But we accept the implementation of this policy has not been to a standard my colleagues and I would expect. “Therefore despite assurances from the Department for Transport on signage, traffic restrictions being in place along Coppergate since the late 1960s and the Lendal Bridge trial mirroring other restrictions around the country, and in light of new information from the Traffic Adjudicator, I have written to the Chief Executive confirming my request for an internal review of both the Lendal Bridge trial and enforcement of the Coppergate traffic restriction”. Dr Brian
  • Score: -117

3:46pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
Older Sometimes Wiser wrote: As no one from the Press appears able to stop the " score manipulation" I wonder whether this could be an "in house operator " or past employee with a grudge? Just a thought !
He/she is getting inventive now - random/targeted manipulation instead of blanket. Come and get me you muppet !
Wow you're really still banging on about it? You keep going and they'll keep going. I'm not sure how this doesn't add up to you?
You are strange. I am not the one causing the problem, it's the hacker. Yet you choose to criticise me ?

Get off my case, you stalker.
[quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Older Sometimes Wiser[/bold] wrote: As no one from the Press appears able to stop the " score manipulation" I wonder whether this could be an "in house operator " or past employee with a grudge? Just a thought ![/p][/quote]He/she is getting inventive now - random/targeted manipulation instead of blanket. Come and get me you muppet ![/p][/quote]Wow you're really still banging on about it? You keep going and they'll keep going. I'm not sure how this doesn't add up to you?[/p][/quote]You are strange. I am not the one causing the problem, it's the hacker. Yet you choose to criticise me ? Get off my case, you stalker. Badgers Drift
  • Score: -57

3:59pm Wed 2 Apr 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
Older Sometimes Wiser wrote: As no one from the Press appears able to stop the " score manipulation" I wonder whether this could be an "in house operator " or past employee with a grudge? Just a thought !
He/she is getting inventive now - random/targeted manipulation instead of blanket. Come and get me you muppet !
Wow you're really still banging on about it? You keep going and they'll keep going. I'm not sure how this doesn't add up to you?
You are strange. I am not the one causing the problem, it's the hacker. Yet you choose to criticise me ?

Get off my case, you stalker.
Sorry I can't quite hear you for the foam coming out of your mouth....

In other Press news the phantom score hacker is still at large. Detective Drift is apparently still on the case and arrests are expected any day...
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Older Sometimes Wiser[/bold] wrote: As no one from the Press appears able to stop the " score manipulation" I wonder whether this could be an "in house operator " or past employee with a grudge? Just a thought ![/p][/quote]He/she is getting inventive now - random/targeted manipulation instead of blanket. Come and get me you muppet ![/p][/quote]Wow you're really still banging on about it? You keep going and they'll keep going. I'm not sure how this doesn't add up to you?[/p][/quote]You are strange. I am not the one causing the problem, it's the hacker. Yet you choose to criticise me ? Get off my case, you stalker.[/p][/quote]Sorry I can't quite hear you for the foam coming out of your mouth.... In other Press news the phantom score hacker is still at large. Detective Drift is apparently still on the case and arrests are expected any day... AGuyFromStrensall
  • Score: -144

4:00pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

Dr Brian wrote:
Interestingly enough Minster FM on their web site have issued a statement from James Alexander (I will copy it below but I expect the press may delete it because it shows Minster are way ahead of the Press with the news! 3:21pm 2nd April 2014 The Labour Leader of City of York Council has today written to the council’s Chief Executive confirming his request yesterday for an internal review into the implementation of the Lendal Bridge Trial. This follows comments from the Government's Traffic Adjudicator about enforcement of the Lendal Bridge and Coppergate traffic restrictions. Coun. James Alexander said: “The principle of reducing private traffic in our historic city centre is right given the increasing problem we have with congestion. Many successful cities around the world have embarked on the same bold journey. But we accept the implementation of this policy has not been to a standard my colleagues and I would expect. “Therefore despite assurances from the Department for Transport on signage, traffic restrictions being in place along Coppergate since the late 1960s and the Lendal Bridge trial mirroring other restrictions around the country, and in light of new information from the Traffic Adjudicator, I have written to the Chief Executive confirming my request for an internal review of both the Lendal Bridge trial and enforcement of the Coppergate traffic restriction”.
Looking for a scapegoat ?

Ducking and dodging responsibility for the mess ?

Be a man, Alexander. You are the leader, and you are party to this shambolic trial. You and Merrett have lost the trust of York people - do the right thing and resign, both of you !
[quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: Interestingly enough Minster FM on their web site have issued a statement from James Alexander (I will copy it below but I expect the press may delete it because it shows Minster are way ahead of the Press with the news! 3:21pm 2nd April 2014 The Labour Leader of City of York Council has today written to the council’s Chief Executive confirming his request yesterday for an internal review into the implementation of the Lendal Bridge Trial. This follows comments from the Government's Traffic Adjudicator about enforcement of the Lendal Bridge and Coppergate traffic restrictions. Coun. James Alexander said: “The principle of reducing private traffic in our historic city centre is right given the increasing problem we have with congestion. Many successful cities around the world have embarked on the same bold journey. But we accept the implementation of this policy has not been to a standard my colleagues and I would expect. “Therefore despite assurances from the Department for Transport on signage, traffic restrictions being in place along Coppergate since the late 1960s and the Lendal Bridge trial mirroring other restrictions around the country, and in light of new information from the Traffic Adjudicator, I have written to the Chief Executive confirming my request for an internal review of both the Lendal Bridge trial and enforcement of the Coppergate traffic restriction”.[/p][/quote]Looking for a scapegoat ? Ducking and dodging responsibility for the mess ? Be a man, Alexander. You are the leader, and you are party to this shambolic trial. You and Merrett have lost the trust of York people - do the right thing and resign, both of you ! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -184

4:01pm Wed 2 Apr 14

strangebuttrue? says...

again wrote:
The UK is experiencing heavy pollution today, much of it is caused by NO2 emissions (from vehicles not commenters!). Apparently for more than 15 years the UK has failed to reduce nitrogen dioxide (NO2) air pollution levels and is now facing legal proceedings within the EU.

We are a car economy; presumably wealth beats health. Any attempts to reduce car use faces stiff opposition from lobbyists.

There is also the issue of climate change that is shoved into a corner. Apparently the BBC is facing criticism for giving opinions the same weight of credence as the findings of genuine scientists. The huge majority of the latter find that climate change is caused by human activity.

We face increasingly frequent spells of severe weather but there is nothing we can do about it because of our own foolishness and short sighted self-interest. That is all there is to it, welcome to the world of the dinosaurs!
BBC "The pollution - a mix of local and European emissions and dust from the Sahara - is forecast in parts of south England, the Midlands and East Anglia."

Yes I always notice that that Sahara dust comes out of my exhaust along with the French NO2 emissions. Seems really bad anytime I go near Lendal Bridge!! Or is it laughing gas that is coming out?.
[quote][p][bold]again[/bold] wrote: The UK is experiencing heavy pollution today, much of it is caused by NO2 emissions (from vehicles not commenters!). Apparently for more than 15 years the UK has failed to reduce nitrogen dioxide (NO2) air pollution levels and is now facing legal proceedings within the EU. We are a car economy; presumably wealth beats health. Any attempts to reduce car use faces stiff opposition from lobbyists. There is also the issue of climate change that is shoved into a corner. Apparently the BBC is facing criticism for giving opinions the same weight of credence as the findings of genuine scientists. The huge majority of the latter find that climate change is caused by human activity. We face increasingly frequent spells of severe weather but there is nothing we can do about it because of our own foolishness and short sighted self-interest. That is all there is to it, welcome to the world of the dinosaurs![/p][/quote]BBC "The pollution - a mix of local and European emissions and dust from the Sahara - is forecast in parts of south England, the Midlands and East Anglia." Yes I always notice that that Sahara dust comes out of my exhaust along with the French NO2 emissions. Seems really bad anytime I go near Lendal Bridge!! Or is it laughing gas that is coming out?. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -69

4:01pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Knavesmire view wrote:
the original Homer wrote:
Dr Brian wrote:
York Central Lib Dems have tweeted

"Understand ANPR camera enforcement now suspended on Lendal bridge and Coppergate restrictions. Fear of maladministration judgement?"

Presume that means we can go over the bridge now and not be fined?
Not seen this anywhere official yet, but if it's true then common sense has finally prevailed.
Could it be that someone on the Council has actually read the comments on here and taken notice of public opinion?
If so, it would definitely be a first, but ll things are posssible.
I suspect it will be more to do with independent legal advice will have told them, you've been found to be doing this illegally, I'd stop for now until any appeal decision is made!

Not that they should have needed advice, it was common sense from the minute it was announced yesterday, they are just too pig ignorant to accept they are wrong!
Interesting turn of phrase from the statement on Minster FM
"“The restrictions will remain in place on Lendal Bridge and Coppergate and we would urge drivers to continue to adhere to these."
"Urge" is a curious word to use here, rather suggesting "we have no power to enforce this any more but we would really like you not use the bridge"?
[quote][p][bold]Knavesmire view[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the original Homer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: York Central Lib Dems have tweeted "Understand ANPR camera enforcement now suspended on Lendal bridge and Coppergate restrictions. Fear of maladministration judgement?" Presume that means we can go over the bridge now and not be fined?[/p][/quote]Not seen this anywhere official yet, but if it's true then common sense has finally prevailed. Could it be that someone on the Council has actually read the comments on here and taken notice of public opinion? If so, it would definitely be a first, but ll things are posssible.[/p][/quote]I suspect it will be more to do with independent legal advice will have told them, you've been found to be doing this illegally, I'd stop for now until any appeal decision is made! Not that they should have needed advice, it was common sense from the minute it was announced yesterday, they are just too pig ignorant to accept they are wrong![/p][/quote]Interesting turn of phrase from the statement on Minster FM "“The restrictions will remain in place on Lendal Bridge and Coppergate and we would urge drivers to continue to adhere to these." "Urge" is a curious word to use here, rather suggesting "we have no power to enforce this any more but we would really like you not use the bridge"? Pinza-C55
  • Score: -60

4:01pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

piaggio1 wrote:
Just what the hell has moor lane got to do with this article? ?? Grow up you two...
about as much as dinosaurs, global warming, mass floods, cyclists knocking people over and noah building an ark and complaining. But people in favour of the closure have to bang on about something in the defence of this.

Feed and yey shall bite.
[quote][p][bold]piaggio1[/bold] wrote: Just what the hell has moor lane got to do with this article? ?? Grow up you two...[/p][/quote]about as much as dinosaurs, global warming, mass floods, cyclists knocking people over and noah building an ark and complaining. But people in favour of the closure have to bang on about something in the defence of this. Feed and yey shall bite. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -168

4:04pm Wed 2 Apr 14

cynic3 says...

Dr Brian wrote:
Interestingly enough Minster FM on their web site have issued a statement from James Alexander (I will copy it below but I expect the press may delete it because it shows Minster are way ahead of the Press with the news!

3:21pm 2nd April 2014
The Labour Leader of City of York Council has today written to the council’s Chief Executive confirming his request yesterday for an internal review into the implementation of the Lendal Bridge Trial. This follows comments from the Government's Traffic Adjudicator about enforcement of the Lendal Bridge and Coppergate traffic restrictions.

Coun. James Alexander said:

“The principle of reducing private traffic in our historic city centre is right given the increasing problem we have with congestion. Many successful cities around the world have embarked on the same bold journey. But we accept the implementation of this policy has not been to a standard my colleagues and I would expect.

“Therefore despite assurances from the Department for Transport on signage, traffic restrictions being in place along Coppergate since the late 1960s and the Lendal Bridge trial mirroring other restrictions around the country, and in light of new information from the Traffic Adjudicator, I have written to the Chief Executive confirming my request for an internal review of both the Lendal Bridge trial and enforcement of the Coppergate traffic restriction”.
How much is a bucket of whitewash?
[quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: Interestingly enough Minster FM on their web site have issued a statement from James Alexander (I will copy it below but I expect the press may delete it because it shows Minster are way ahead of the Press with the news! 3:21pm 2nd April 2014 The Labour Leader of City of York Council has today written to the council’s Chief Executive confirming his request yesterday for an internal review into the implementation of the Lendal Bridge Trial. This follows comments from the Government's Traffic Adjudicator about enforcement of the Lendal Bridge and Coppergate traffic restrictions. Coun. James Alexander said: “The principle of reducing private traffic in our historic city centre is right given the increasing problem we have with congestion. Many successful cities around the world have embarked on the same bold journey. But we accept the implementation of this policy has not been to a standard my colleagues and I would expect. “Therefore despite assurances from the Department for Transport on signage, traffic restrictions being in place along Coppergate since the late 1960s and the Lendal Bridge trial mirroring other restrictions around the country, and in light of new information from the Traffic Adjudicator, I have written to the Chief Executive confirming my request for an internal review of both the Lendal Bridge trial and enforcement of the Coppergate traffic restriction”.[/p][/quote]How much is a bucket of whitewash? cynic3
  • Score: -105

4:07pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Cheeky face says...

Quite right; Moor Lane is another issue entirely.

I know of a driver who ignored all PCNs( re Coppergate) and subsequent letters mentioning bailffs etc.What hindsight that person had.
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Incidentally I believe 0922 as the time of the transgression on Coppergate, in the adjudicator's report, is a mistake!

A traffic penalty appeal barrister told me on the first day of the trial what we NOW know.

Tomorrow's Press will be of great interest.
Quite right; Moor Lane is another issue entirely. I know of a driver who ignored all PCNs( re Coppergate) and subsequent letters mentioning bailffs etc.What hindsight that person had. . Incidentally I believe 0922 as the time of the transgression on Coppergate, in the adjudicator's report, is a mistake! A traffic penalty appeal barrister told me on the first day of the trial what we NOW know. Tomorrow's Press will be of great interest. Cheeky face
  • Score: -44

4:16pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

HeworthM wrote:
TheTruthHurts wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
Sage9 wrote: Can anyone tell me the date of the meeting where TLS was chairing, referred to above?
It was yesterday's (1st April) cabinet meeting. I watched the live webcast, and was disgusted at her conduct. She rudely interupted public speaker Gwen Swinburn, and cut her off. It was clearly a gagging tactic to disallow criticism. I have seen numerous council meetings and never seen this, even where a speaker is outspoken aand critical of the council. TSL and KE, who clearly prompted the interuption, have got it in for Gwem. The reason for this is that Gwen is a governance expert who has exposed numerous breaches by the council. KE is frightened of her, because Gwen has shown how badly run the council is in respect of governance, tranparency and democracy. Later in the meeting, TSL made critical reference to GS and her job experience, which was very bad order. GS objected, and was then subjected to bullying and threats by TSL, which resulted in GS walking out of the meeting. TSL is a disgrace, and is not fit to be a councillor. She is an autocratic bully.
Keep up the good work Gwen. I reckon this webcast might be the most popular ever when they publish it lol.
Agree - interesting that the council agreed for the meeting to be broadcast and viewed live, presumably in adequate sound and visual quality. Seemingly editing is now required (?) before the recorded version is made available for the public to view following on from reports in the public press (& when for me more convinient). Half expect to see a recorded version on Youtube where the words don't fit with the movement of peoples mouths - like on Monkey Magic!!
Actually there were sound problems; mainly when the Unesco City of Media bid was being discussed.

Interestingly, Pilot Theatre have the webcast contract, and their Artistic Director Marcus Romer is head of Cultural York also, and a member of the Media City York Steering Group, He also went to Seoul (South Korea) with Kersten England in November 2011 to make the first Unesco bid, which failed, but, he claims it never happened.

Mr Romer is also a Director of Science City York, and so is Kersten England. SCY have had £670,000 grants from CYC in the last three years. SCY's outgoing chief executive Nicola Spence is also a Director of One&Other TV, who have the York TV station licence, who's MD Stu Goulden is also on the MCY steering group, and he wrote the bid application. One&Other TV will have their studios in the Guildhall.

Back to the webcasting sound problems, and the secrecy about the Unesco bid and public funding - anyone getting the big picture now ?
[quote][p][bold]HeworthM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheTruthHurts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sage9[/bold] wrote: Can anyone tell me the date of the meeting where TLS was chairing, referred to above?[/p][/quote]It was yesterday's (1st April) cabinet meeting. I watched the live webcast, and was disgusted at her conduct. She rudely interupted public speaker Gwen Swinburn, and cut her off. It was clearly a gagging tactic to disallow criticism. I have seen numerous council meetings and never seen this, even where a speaker is outspoken aand critical of the council. TSL and KE, who clearly prompted the interuption, have got it in for Gwem. The reason for this is that Gwen is a governance expert who has exposed numerous breaches by the council. KE is frightened of her, because Gwen has shown how badly run the council is in respect of governance, tranparency and democracy. Later in the meeting, TSL made critical reference to GS and her job experience, which was very bad order. GS objected, and was then subjected to bullying and threats by TSL, which resulted in GS walking out of the meeting. TSL is a disgrace, and is not fit to be a councillor. She is an autocratic bully.[/p][/quote]Keep up the good work Gwen. I reckon this webcast might be the most popular ever when they publish it lol.[/p][/quote]Agree - interesting that the council agreed for the meeting to be broadcast and viewed live, presumably in adequate sound and visual quality. Seemingly editing is now required (?) before the recorded version is made available for the public to view following on from reports in the public press (& when for me more convinient). Half expect to see a recorded version on Youtube where the words don't fit with the movement of peoples mouths - like on Monkey Magic!![/p][/quote]Actually there were sound problems; mainly when the Unesco City of Media bid was being discussed. Interestingly, Pilot Theatre have the webcast contract, and their Artistic Director Marcus Romer is head of Cultural York also, and a member of the Media City York Steering Group, He also went to Seoul (South Korea) with Kersten England in November 2011 to make the first Unesco bid, which failed, but, he claims it never happened. Mr Romer is also a Director of Science City York, and so is Kersten England. SCY have had £670,000 grants from CYC in the last three years. SCY's outgoing chief executive Nicola Spence is also a Director of One&Other TV, who have the York TV station licence, who's MD Stu Goulden is also on the MCY steering group, and he wrote the bid application. One&Other TV will have their studios in the Guildhall. Back to the webcasting sound problems, and the secrecy about the Unesco bid and public funding - anyone getting the big picture now ? Badgers Drift
  • Score: -114

4:26pm Wed 2 Apr 14

yorkshirelad says...

bloodaxe wrote:
I should have added that, notwithstanding the ruling, the same procedures should be applied on Lendal Bridge as on Stonebow: rising bollards. Buses, taxis and emergency vehicles only between 10.30 and 5. That way there can be no doubt, uncertainty or fines.
That might well have to be the solution. As a strong supporter of the bridge closure, I'd much rather it was enforced without fines. It is true that city centre driving is getting very confusing and it can be difficult to read the plethora of signs you are faced with. I've noticed this in other cities too.

How it is enforced is a different issue to whether private cars should gradually be kept more and more outside the centre of small historic cities - a clear trend.

It's very common to see local newspapers jump on anti-change bandwagons and up and down the UK local newpapers forums and letters face are often filled with indignant drivers asserting their right to do what they please along the lines of 'democracy's fine as long as they do what I want'. ...

What is really sad, and damaging for York, is to see this debate hijacked for party-political purposes. This has been going on for years among the three main parties (see Labour at Clifton Green) as they seek to exploit difficult and necessary decsions (usually about traffic or bins!) for their own ends.

They all know this is bad for York in the long term and they persist regardless. When other cities do more to protect their historic centres, their environment and the health of their citizens...we should remember what is impeding progress in York. We need councils (and more importantly, oppositions) prepared to do what is right for the City, not for short term popularity.
[quote][p][bold]bloodaxe[/bold] wrote: I should have added that, notwithstanding the ruling, the same procedures should be applied on Lendal Bridge as on Stonebow: rising bollards. Buses, taxis and emergency vehicles only between 10.30 and 5. That way there can be no doubt, uncertainty or fines.[/p][/quote]That might well have to be the solution. As a strong supporter of the bridge closure, I'd much rather it was enforced without fines. It is true that city centre driving is getting very confusing and it can be difficult to read the plethora of signs you are faced with. I've noticed this in other cities too. How it is enforced is a different issue to whether private cars should gradually be kept more and more outside the centre of small historic cities - a clear trend. It's very common to see local newspapers jump on anti-change bandwagons and up and down the UK local newpapers forums and letters face are often filled with indignant drivers asserting their right to do what they please along the lines of 'democracy's fine as long as they do what I want'. ... What is really sad, and damaging for York, is to see this debate hijacked for party-political purposes. This has been going on for years among the three main parties (see Labour at Clifton Green) as they seek to exploit difficult and necessary decsions (usually about traffic or bins!) for their own ends. They all know this is bad for York in the long term and they persist regardless. When other cities do more to protect their historic centres, their environment and the health of their citizens...we should remember what is impeding progress in York. We need councils (and more importantly, oppositions) prepared to do what is right for the City, not for short term popularity. yorkshirelad
  • Score: -111

4:42pm Wed 2 Apr 14

cynic3 says...

Interesting turn of phrase from the statement on Minster FM
"“The restrictions will remain in place on Lendal Bridge and Coppergate and we would urge drivers to continue to adhere to these."
"Urge" is a curious word to use here, rather suggesting "we have no power to enforce this any more but we would really like you not use the bridge"?
____________________
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I think the position is that the restrictions are and remain valid. All that has changed is they cannot be enforced by camera. The council parking officers cannot deal with moving traffic offences. So what is needed is the police to decide to enforce the restrictions. Or perhaps Jimmy, Tracy or Dave would like to walk out in front of the traffic and hold their hands up in the hope of stopping the traffic and then issuing a penalty notice?
Interesting turn of phrase from the statement on Minster FM "“The restrictions will remain in place on Lendal Bridge and Coppergate and we would urge drivers to continue to adhere to these." "Urge" is a curious word to use here, rather suggesting "we have no power to enforce this any more but we would really like you not use the bridge"? ____________________ ____ I think the position is that the restrictions are and remain valid. All that has changed is they cannot be enforced by camera. The council parking officers cannot deal with moving traffic offences. So what is needed is the police to decide to enforce the restrictions. Or perhaps Jimmy, Tracy or Dave would like to walk out in front of the traffic and hold their hands up in the hope of stopping the traffic and then issuing a penalty notice? cynic3
  • Score: -27

4:51pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Pinza-C55 says...

cynic3 wrote:
Interesting turn of phrase from the statement on Minster FM
"“The restrictions will remain in place on Lendal Bridge and Coppergate and we would urge drivers to continue to adhere to these."
"Urge" is a curious word to use here, rather suggesting "we have no power to enforce this any more but we would really like you not use the bridge"?
____________________

____

I think the position is that the restrictions are and remain valid. All that has changed is they cannot be enforced by camera. The council parking officers cannot deal with moving traffic offences. So what is needed is the police to decide to enforce the restrictions. Or perhaps Jimmy, Tracy or Dave would like to walk out in front of the traffic and hold their hands up in the hope of stopping the traffic and then issuing a penalty notice?
"I think the position is that the restrictions are and remain valid. All that has changed is they cannot be enforced by camera"
That's what I mean. It's a tacit admission that it cannot be enforced by the current system (cameras) therefore it cannot in fact be enforced.
[quote][p][bold]cynic3[/bold] wrote: Interesting turn of phrase from the statement on Minster FM "“The restrictions will remain in place on Lendal Bridge and Coppergate and we would urge drivers to continue to adhere to these." "Urge" is a curious word to use here, rather suggesting "we have no power to enforce this any more but we would really like you not use the bridge"? ____________________ ____ I think the position is that the restrictions are and remain valid. All that has changed is they cannot be enforced by camera. The council parking officers cannot deal with moving traffic offences. So what is needed is the police to decide to enforce the restrictions. Or perhaps Jimmy, Tracy or Dave would like to walk out in front of the traffic and hold their hands up in the hope of stopping the traffic and then issuing a penalty notice?[/p][/quote]"I think the position is that the restrictions are and remain valid. All that has changed is they cannot be enforced by camera" That's what I mean. It's a tacit admission that it cannot be enforced by the current system (cameras) therefore it cannot in fact be enforced. Pinza-C55
  • Score: -84

5:20pm Wed 2 Apr 14

mmarshal says...

Today I walked from Rawcliffe down the A19 towards town. From Rawcliffe Lane junction, the first sign indicates straight on for National Railway Museum and City Centre. This is closely followed by 2 signs adjacent to Clifton Green which state that there is Restricted Access at Lendal Bridge. The next sign is on Bootham on the approach to the Gilleygate junction. It clearly shows Lendal Bridge Closed and restricted vehicular access straight on. Straight on is High Petergate, St Leonard's Place and Museum Street/Lendal Bridge isn't even shown. The next sign is outside the Theatre Royal, still obscured by stationary buses and still showing restricted vehicular access to the right down Museum Street but the sign suggests that Lendal Bridge is straight on, i.e. down Blake Street. The signs only become 'Adequate' (in the words of the Traffic Adjudicator) when already on Museum Street and approaching Lendal Bridge.
The Adjudicator commented on the signs in and around Bootham/Museum Street. It's a pity that he didn't manage to get as far as Clifton Green to see the misleading sign for the National Railway Museum. His Ruling may then have been even more critical.
I'm familiar with the route and know where Lendal Bridge is but the signage is wholly inadequate for visitors to York. The Adjudicator has said as much in his lengthy Traffic Ruling. I strongly suggest that Alexander and Merrett take the time to read that Ruling and without further dithering either correct the signage or end the restriction.
There is little point trotting out the same old message that they have been told the signage is legal. Legal or otherwise, it is wholly confusing to visitng motorists who don't know where Lendal Bridge is. In particular, if they're here to visit the National Railway Museum, they are directed across the Lendal Bridge route.
Several months ago in this forum I asked what would happen if a class action was taken against CYC for poor signposting and unfair penalty enforcement. Now that question may well have to be answered and, inevitabley, this fiasco will cost York council tax payers.
Today I walked from Rawcliffe down the A19 towards town. From Rawcliffe Lane junction, the first sign indicates straight on for National Railway Museum and City Centre. This is closely followed by 2 signs adjacent to Clifton Green which state that there is Restricted Access at Lendal Bridge. The next sign is on Bootham on the approach to the Gilleygate junction. It clearly shows Lendal Bridge Closed and restricted vehicular access straight on. Straight on is High Petergate, St Leonard's Place and Museum Street/Lendal Bridge isn't even shown. The next sign is outside the Theatre Royal, still obscured by stationary buses and still showing restricted vehicular access to the right down Museum Street but the sign suggests that Lendal Bridge is straight on, i.e. down Blake Street. The signs only become 'Adequate' (in the words of the Traffic Adjudicator) when already on Museum Street and approaching Lendal Bridge. The Adjudicator commented on the signs in and around Bootham/Museum Street. It's a pity that he didn't manage to get as far as Clifton Green to see the misleading sign for the National Railway Museum. His Ruling may then have been even more critical. I'm familiar with the route and know where Lendal Bridge is but the signage is wholly inadequate for visitors to York. The Adjudicator has said as much in his lengthy Traffic Ruling. I strongly suggest that Alexander and Merrett take the time to read that Ruling and without further dithering either correct the signage or end the restriction. There is little point trotting out the same old message that they have been told the signage is legal. Legal or otherwise, it is wholly confusing to visitng motorists who don't know where Lendal Bridge is. In particular, if they're here to visit the National Railway Museum, they are directed across the Lendal Bridge route. Several months ago in this forum I asked what would happen if a class action was taken against CYC for poor signposting and unfair penalty enforcement. Now that question may well have to be answered and, inevitabley, this fiasco will cost York council tax payers. mmarshal
  • Score: -79

6:51pm Wed 2 Apr 14

courier46 says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
courier46 wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
courier46 wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
courier46 wrote:
peter123456 wrote: Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.
It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras. Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it
The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other. 20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.
You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun? On what basis is your article factual?
I've been driving for over 40 years and have a pretty good idea what spead cars are doing. I take it you either don't drive or have very little experience of driving? Come back when you have!
How funny you are! If you have read any of my responses you will know I drive for a living. I think you are the novice.
In that case you have obviously been driving with your eyes closed! If you can't estimate the speed of a car on the road you are a danger to yourself, your passengers and other road users! How do you ever get out at a junction I wonder?
Right so i will ask this... what makes a dangerous speed? i have lived on that road for the majority of my life. Poeple do not cross it. Accidents do not happen? so why do you care if someone is doing even 45mph? its a link to a ring road? and i'll say this driving a car at a speed and seeing an object pass at speed are 2 different things. Did any of these reckless speeders crash or cause danger? no? so get lost with your 20 is plenty cr@p down that area. Its a road with a path on one side with hardly any pedestrians crossing? 40mph is fine! then if you add on the % over you can go with the speed limit 43mph is a safe speed!!!! get a grip!
You are one the exact drivers that dont care about anybody and quite clearly dont pay attention as there are paths on both sides of the road on the section between Moorcroft Rd and Tadcaster Rd roundabout.I dont want a blanket 20mph but if 95 per cent are getting it why shouldn`t the residents feel safe when walking with there children or grandchildren.It is just not the road is quite narrow also the paths are and 40mph is deft not acceptable.
Why not it was in the past without problems? ok for say 1/6 of the route there is a path. For the other mile there isn’t. Yes I’m a well bad driver with no speeding tickets, crashes or points. He is a thought for you. if you make that 20mph (that can not be enforced!!!!!)and someone is going that speed. Me and all the other idiot drivers will simply overtake them. What carries more risk do you think? 40mph on a road that can easily be driven at 40mph with clear visibility and little pedestrian use or having people overtake the few minor incompetent drivers that can go no faster then 20mph due to the reaction time it takes for them to break?
So you have just admitted that you would break the law by overtaking someone doing 20mph in 20mph zone so maybe you have been very lucky so far in not getting caught and not harming anybody because it sounds to me that you dont mind breaking the law.To answer your question i think 20mph would be safer (i am against the 20mph thing by the way but if i`m driving at 20mph in most peoples streets then why should they come on mine and drive at your 40-43mph).40mph is too fast on what you call "1/6 of Moor Lane".Tell you what you can have your 30-43mph and i`ll have my 20-30mph on my 1/6 of Moor Lane
Yes i would break the law if someone was going 20mph and overtake and speed... Quick tell the police to arrest me and issue me with 3 points and a fine. on a road that straight and long having cyclists overtake me would not be acceptable. I know I’m mental and a danger to society. Ah so others are punished in streets where you can not reach 20mph so you want yours to follow suit. Do you have poor visability of on coming traffic? is there a school near by? is it highly pedestrians? In all fairness you should try pulling out and parking on tadcaster road... its far harder then i found moor lane. But yet again some how i was one of the lucky 100% that have managed this competently within the last 10 years. I should count myself lucky as if someone was going 44mph i could have been guts for garter.
You win i could never win with someone who admits he is mental,good luck and i hope that karma does not get you hit by an idiot who overtakes another car doing 20-30mph.One last thing you need better glasses because Moor Lane is NOT straight.
I will not comment on this any further.
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter123456[/bold] wrote: Also are the council preparing the way for speed camers to be installed down Moor Lane, Woodthorpe. As very large new speed camera signs have been installed at both ends of Moor Lane.[/p][/quote]It`s about time the idiots that drive at reckless speeds down Moor Lane were caught out,i just hope that the signs are followed up with cameras. Moor Lane is not a wide Road but fairly straight and much as i dont really agree with the 20mph limit ,but if we are forced to have it then we all should have it[/p][/quote]The a Moor Lane idiots need catching. I regularly see cars driving in excess of 40mph. Students are the worst offenders when the college kicks out. They regularly race each other. 20mph signs will not stop them. Moor police presence might. North Yorkshire has no fixed speed cameras so I can't see that happening at all.[/p][/quote]You regularly see cars doing more than 40mph? How do you know this? Do you have a speed gun? On what basis is your article factual?[/p][/quote]I've been driving for over 40 years and have a pretty good idea what spead cars are doing. I take it you either don't drive or have very little experience of driving? Come back when you have![/p][/quote]How funny you are! If you have read any of my responses you will know I drive for a living. I think you are the novice.[/p][/quote]In that case you have obviously been driving with your eyes closed! If you can't estimate the speed of a car on the road you are a danger to yourself, your passengers and other road users! How do you ever get out at a junction I wonder?[/p][/quote]Right so i will ask this... what makes a dangerous speed? i have lived on that road for the majority of my life. Poeple do not cross it. Accidents do not happen? so why do you care if someone is doing even 45mph? its a link to a ring road? and i'll say this driving a car at a speed and seeing an object pass at speed are 2 different things. Did any of these reckless speeders crash or cause danger? no? so get lost with your 20 is plenty cr@p down that area. Its a road with a path on one side with hardly any pedestrians crossing? 40mph is fine! then if you add on the % over you can go with the speed limit 43mph is a safe speed!!!! get a grip![/p][/quote]You are one the exact drivers that dont care about anybody and quite clearly dont pay attention as there are paths on both sides of the road on the section between Moorcroft Rd and Tadcaster Rd roundabo