Super-council could provide ring road and bus station boost

Council leader James Alexander

Council leader James Alexander

Updated in News York Press: Photograph of the Author by , Chief reporter

A NEW West Yorkshire super council involving York will be formally established tomorrow - amid claims that it offers a once-in-a-generation chance to upgrade the outer ring road and build a city bus station.

City of York Council will be a partner member of the new West Yorkshire Combined Authority, a legal body which will manage investment worth £1.5 billion in transport and economic infrastructure.

Council leader James Alexander said the development marked the start of a new era of devolved government for local authorities and could allow £40 million of improvements to take place on York’s Outer Ring Road, including dualling of the busiest section to the north-west of the city.

It could also provide another £20 million for a long-awaited new bus station interchange to be built behind the railway station and for access into the York Central site to be improved.

"This is a once-in-a-generation opportunity to improve York's transport infrastructure," he said.

He also said that in the long term, the move could pave the way for passengers to enjoy cheaper fares between York and cities in West Yorkshire such as Leeds.

"Partnering with the West Yorkshire Combined Authority allows us to strengthen the links between our key supply chains and shared markets, and enable vital improvements in the city’s transport and economic infrastructure."

Opposition councillors have attacked York's involvement in the West Yorkshire authority, claiming the city has closer links with North and East Yorkshire and should have sought to maintain those links.

They have also suggested York's voice in calling for investment might be drowned out by the larger authorities in West Yorkshire.

But Coun Alexander saidYork looked forward to working with the North Yorkshire LEP (Local Enterprise Partnership) on seeking future avenues of funding and welcome the LEP's growth bid to government which would support the ring road improvements.

“The establishment of a Combined Authority represents a significant move forward in the economic ambition for this city, as a major economic player in the region," he said.

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10:23am Mon 31 Mar 14

roskoboskovic says...

everytime i see that smug look on his face it want to smash my laptop.
everytime i see that smug look on his face it want to smash my laptop. roskoboskovic
  • Score: -51

10:28am Mon 31 Mar 14

asd says...

How thick about only dueling busiest sections, the word bottle neck comes to mind. open your eyes and see what happens when you try to merge traffic especially if you have abundance of roundabouts. It may be a good idea to have a super council but it seems like York is becoming an annex of Leeds. Look what Leeds NHS have done to York as they run it, shut down Mill lodge because they think care, at home is only option and cost effective. York last time I looked wasn't in West Yorkshire
How thick about only dueling busiest sections, the word bottle neck comes to mind. open your eyes and see what happens when you try to merge traffic especially if you have abundance of roundabouts. It may be a good idea to have a super council but it seems like York is becoming an annex of Leeds. Look what Leeds NHS have done to York as they run it, shut down Mill lodge because they think care, at home is only option and cost effective. York last time I looked wasn't in West Yorkshire asd
  • Score: -73

10:28am Mon 31 Mar 14

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

If I wanted to live in West Yorkshire, I'd have moved to West Yorkshire. i don't want York to become subsumed into Greater Leeds - like Pontefract or Wakefield. I want York to be its own master - and a big neighbour dangling cash before its eyes means selling out. (If Leeds wants to become part of GreaterYork, that's something else...).

And what's so good about doubling the ring road if it's still peppered with roundabouts? It's the roundabouts that slow things up, not the single carriageway.
If I wanted to live in West Yorkshire, I'd have moved to West Yorkshire. i don't want York to become subsumed into Greater Leeds - like Pontefract or Wakefield. I want York to be its own master - and a big neighbour dangling cash before its eyes means selling out. (If Leeds wants to become part of GreaterYork, that's something else...). And what's so good about doubling the ring road if it's still peppered with roundabouts? It's the roundabouts that slow things up, not the single carriageway. Ignatius Lumpopo
  • Score: -64

10:30am Mon 31 Mar 14

Fat Harry says...

Misleading headline - the new body is not a council, super or otherwise.
Misleading headline - the new body is not a council, super or otherwise. Fat Harry
  • Score: -121

10:32am Mon 31 Mar 14

acomblass says...

The Leaders of West Yorkshire will make mincemeat of Little Jimmy -
The Leaders of West Yorkshire will make mincemeat of Little Jimmy - acomblass
  • Score: -81

10:39am Mon 31 Mar 14

matroom says...

acomblass wrote:
The Leaders of West Yorkshire will make mincemeat of Little Jimmy -
Hopefully !!!
[quote][p][bold]acomblass[/bold] wrote: The Leaders of West Yorkshire will make mincemeat of Little Jimmy -[/p][/quote]Hopefully !!! matroom
  • Score: -86

10:50am Mon 31 Mar 14

SteveSCA says...

"… could allow £40 million of improvements to take place on York’s Outer Ring Road ..."

"… could provide another £20 million for a long-awaited new bus station interchange"

Coulda… shoulda… woulda…

Why don't you come back to us, James, when it's "will" do these things.
"… could allow £40 million of improvements to take place on York’s Outer Ring Road ..." "… could provide another £20 million for a long-awaited new bus station interchange" Coulda… shoulda… woulda… Why don't you come back to us, James, when it's "will" do these things. SteveSCA
  • Score: -91

10:51am Mon 31 Mar 14

piaggio1 says...

And what have we got in commom with west yarkshire ?????

NOWT....
And what have we got in commom with west yarkshire ????? NOWT.... piaggio1
  • Score: -143

11:01am Mon 31 Mar 14

Madasanibbotson says...

Jimmy Alexander-Deluded as ever. He thinks this is a springboard to a political career. Whilst York would happily see the back of him tomorrow, he is dreaming if he thinks anyone anywhere anytime takes him seriously.
What about an update on his DIET that has a lot of coverage ? Another failed mission-no doubt he will blame the person that puts the fillings in the pies.
Jimmy Alexander-Deluded as ever. He thinks this is a springboard to a political career. Whilst York would happily see the back of him tomorrow, he is dreaming if he thinks anyone anywhere anytime takes him seriously. What about an update on his DIET that has a lot of coverage ? Another failed mission-no doubt he will blame the person that puts the fillings in the pies. Madasanibbotson
  • Score: -119

11:26am Mon 31 Mar 14

gmsgop says...

Just for James....,
James Alexander as leader of York City Council, it is entirely obscene that only York citizens were never consulted by you and Kersten England about joining the west yorkshire combined authority -all other cities were consulted deeply last spring.

I looked at some comparative economic and social metrics with the West Yorkshire metro cities- York is like a fish out of water, so different on almost every metric! The metro authorities must be happy that Johnny come lately York with better economy and better social metrics joined the party- subsidising metro neighbours and smoothing poor social metrics.

And of course James, yet another of your political imperatives with no cost or benefit analysis. What liabilities have we inherited? How much extra admin and lobbying costs will we be paying? How many extra trips, staff hours/days/weeks and so in will we have to fork out? For what? Some promise (by you) of a chance of a road upgrade?

Don't worry I have already been in touch with the West Yorkshire Combined Authority- seems for admin, democracy & FOI purposes it is a separate authority. I have asked for urgent web/audio of all public meetings-in the interests of transparency. Plus asked that all members (including those like us that are not full voting, but full paying) have to publish agendas, minutes, calendars etc in each council democracy web system. I expect you to do this ahead of any formal agreement - after all I am sure you have nothing to hide.

I will tweet this, James and Kersten, to all the chief executives of the WYCA for their information. As you and Kersten have not done a cost benefit or risks assessment we will be scrutinising every step. You should have consulted York citizens James- Kersten you should have insisted - you should have done cost, benefits, risks and options, but as always you did not. You did not because you know what the result would have been.

Like Everything else you have done, you have done only what you what you want, for your political imperatives, ignoring us citizens.
Gwen Swinburn
Just for James...., James Alexander as leader of York City Council, it is entirely obscene that only York citizens were never consulted by you and Kersten England about joining the west yorkshire combined authority -all other cities were consulted deeply last spring. I looked at some comparative economic and social metrics with the West Yorkshire metro cities- York is like a fish out of water, so different on almost every metric! The metro authorities must be happy that Johnny come lately York with better economy and better social metrics joined the party- subsidising metro neighbours and smoothing poor social metrics. And of course James, yet another of your political imperatives with no cost or benefit analysis. What liabilities have we inherited? How much extra admin and lobbying costs will we be paying? How many extra trips, staff hours/days/weeks and so in will we have to fork out? For what? Some promise (by you) of a chance of a road upgrade? Don't worry I have already been in touch with the West Yorkshire Combined Authority- seems for admin, democracy & FOI purposes it is a separate authority. I have asked for urgent web/audio of all public meetings-in the interests of transparency. Plus asked that all members (including those like us that are not full voting, but full paying) have to publish agendas, minutes, calendars etc in each council democracy web system. I expect you to do this ahead of any formal agreement - after all I am sure you have nothing to hide. I will tweet this, James and Kersten, to all the chief executives of the WYCA for their information. As you and Kersten have not done a cost benefit or risks assessment we will be scrutinising every step. You should have consulted York citizens James- Kersten you should have insisted - you should have done cost, benefits, risks and options, but as always you did not. You did not because you know what the result would have been. Like Everything else you have done, you have done only what you what you want, for your political imperatives, ignoring us citizens. Gwen Swinburn gmsgop
  • Score: 17017

11:36am Mon 31 Mar 14

inthesticks says...

Well done Gwen
Well done Gwen inthesticks
  • Score: -141

11:41am Mon 31 Mar 14

dsom73 says...

gmsgop wrote:
Just for James....,
James Alexander as leader of York City Council, it is entirely obscene that only York citizens were never consulted by you and Kersten England about joining the west yorkshire combined authority -all other cities were consulted deeply last spring.

I looked at some comparative economic and social metrics with the West Yorkshire metro cities- York is like a fish out of water, so different on almost every metric! The metro authorities must be happy that Johnny come lately York with better economy and better social metrics joined the party- subsidising metro neighbours and smoothing poor social metrics.

And of course James, yet another of your political imperatives with no cost or benefit analysis. What liabilities have we inherited? How much extra admin and lobbying costs will we be paying? How many extra trips, staff hours/days/weeks and so in will we have to fork out? For what? Some promise (by you) of a chance of a road upgrade?

Don't worry I have already been in touch with the West Yorkshire Combined Authority- seems for admin, democracy & FOI purposes it is a separate authority. I have asked for urgent web/audio of all public meetings-in the interests of transparency. Plus asked that all members (including those like us that are not full voting, but full paying) have to publish agendas, minutes, calendars etc in each council democracy web system. I expect you to do this ahead of any formal agreement - after all I am sure you have nothing to hide.

I will tweet this, James and Kersten, to all the chief executives of the WYCA for their information. As you and Kersten have not done a cost benefit or risks assessment we will be scrutinising every step. You should have consulted York citizens James- Kersten you should have insisted - you should have done cost, benefits, risks and options, but as always you did not. You did not because you know what the result would have been.

Like Everything else you have done, you have done only what you what you want, for your political imperatives, ignoring us citizens.
Gwen Swinburn
This.
[quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: Just for James...., James Alexander as leader of York City Council, it is entirely obscene that only York citizens were never consulted by you and Kersten England about joining the west yorkshire combined authority -all other cities were consulted deeply last spring. I looked at some comparative economic and social metrics with the West Yorkshire metro cities- York is like a fish out of water, so different on almost every metric! The metro authorities must be happy that Johnny come lately York with better economy and better social metrics joined the party- subsidising metro neighbours and smoothing poor social metrics. And of course James, yet another of your political imperatives with no cost or benefit analysis. What liabilities have we inherited? How much extra admin and lobbying costs will we be paying? How many extra trips, staff hours/days/weeks and so in will we have to fork out? For what? Some promise (by you) of a chance of a road upgrade? Don't worry I have already been in touch with the West Yorkshire Combined Authority- seems for admin, democracy & FOI purposes it is a separate authority. I have asked for urgent web/audio of all public meetings-in the interests of transparency. Plus asked that all members (including those like us that are not full voting, but full paying) have to publish agendas, minutes, calendars etc in each council democracy web system. I expect you to do this ahead of any formal agreement - after all I am sure you have nothing to hide. I will tweet this, James and Kersten, to all the chief executives of the WYCA for their information. As you and Kersten have not done a cost benefit or risks assessment we will be scrutinising every step. You should have consulted York citizens James- Kersten you should have insisted - you should have done cost, benefits, risks and options, but as always you did not. You did not because you know what the result would have been. Like Everything else you have done, you have done only what you what you want, for your political imperatives, ignoring us citizens. Gwen Swinburn[/p][/quote]This. dsom73
  • Score: -215

11:41am Mon 31 Mar 14

Kevin Turvey says...

'It could also provide another £20 million for a long-awaited new bus station interchange to be built behind the railway station'

There goes the 'cheap' station car park then and replaced with expensive buses that cannot get you to the station on time for an early morning train.

Thats public transport for you!

By the way Alexander if you think that by merging will give you a job....... think again.
You will be pushed out very quickly.
Bigger and much more cleverer boys!
What a shame, either way we loose a village idiot that got lucky!
'It could also provide another £20 million for a long-awaited new bus station interchange to be built behind the railway station' There goes the 'cheap' station car park then and replaced with expensive buses that cannot get you to the station on time for an early morning train. Thats public transport for you! By the way Alexander if you think that by merging will give you a job....... think again. You will be pushed out very quickly. Bigger and much more cleverer boys! What a shame, either way we loose a village idiot that got lucky! Kevin Turvey
  • Score: -151

11:46am Mon 31 Mar 14

BL2 says...

If he thinks for one minute that York will be anything other than a minor junior partner with little input or benefit, then he is even more deluded than already shown!
If he thinks for one minute that York will be anything other than a minor junior partner with little input or benefit, then he is even more deluded than already shown! BL2
  • Score: -138

12:10pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Sugarpop says...

Thank you so much Gwen for keeping up the scrutiny. At least this is one place they can't block you unlike Twitter. The truth hurts.
Thank you so much Gwen for keeping up the scrutiny. At least this is one place they can't block you unlike Twitter. The truth hurts. Sugarpop
  • Score: -129

12:12pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Kelvar says...

gmsgop wrote:
Just for James....,
James Alexander as leader of York City Council, it is entirely obscene that only York citizens were never consulted by you and Kersten England about joining the west yorkshire combined authority -all other cities were consulted deeply last spring.

I looked at some comparative economic and social metrics with the West Yorkshire metro cities- York is like a fish out of water, so different on almost every metric! The metro authorities must be happy that Johnny come lately York with better economy and better social metrics joined the party- subsidising metro neighbours and smoothing poor social metrics.

And of course James, yet another of your political imperatives with no cost or benefit analysis. What liabilities have we inherited? How much extra admin and lobbying costs will we be paying? How many extra trips, staff hours/days/weeks and so in will we have to fork out? For what? Some promise (by you) of a chance of a road upgrade?

Don't worry I have already been in touch with the West Yorkshire Combined Authority- seems for admin, democracy & FOI purposes it is a separate authority. I have asked for urgent web/audio of all public meetings-in the interests of transparency. Plus asked that all members (including those like us that are not full voting, but full paying) have to publish agendas, minutes, calendars etc in each council democracy web system. I expect you to do this ahead of any formal agreement - after all I am sure you have nothing to hide.

I will tweet this, James and Kersten, to all the chief executives of the WYCA for their information. As you and Kersten have not done a cost benefit or risks assessment we will be scrutinising every step. You should have consulted York citizens James- Kersten you should have insisted - you should have done cost, benefits, risks and options, but as always you did not. You did not because you know what the result would have been.

Like Everything else you have done, you have done only what you what you want, for your political imperatives, ignoring us citizens.
Gwen Swinburn
Well said Gwen. I applaud you
[quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: Just for James...., James Alexander as leader of York City Council, it is entirely obscene that only York citizens were never consulted by you and Kersten England about joining the west yorkshire combined authority -all other cities were consulted deeply last spring. I looked at some comparative economic and social metrics with the West Yorkshire metro cities- York is like a fish out of water, so different on almost every metric! The metro authorities must be happy that Johnny come lately York with better economy and better social metrics joined the party- subsidising metro neighbours and smoothing poor social metrics. And of course James, yet another of your political imperatives with no cost or benefit analysis. What liabilities have we inherited? How much extra admin and lobbying costs will we be paying? How many extra trips, staff hours/days/weeks and so in will we have to fork out? For what? Some promise (by you) of a chance of a road upgrade? Don't worry I have already been in touch with the West Yorkshire Combined Authority- seems for admin, democracy & FOI purposes it is a separate authority. I have asked for urgent web/audio of all public meetings-in the interests of transparency. Plus asked that all members (including those like us that are not full voting, but full paying) have to publish agendas, minutes, calendars etc in each council democracy web system. I expect you to do this ahead of any formal agreement - after all I am sure you have nothing to hide. I will tweet this, James and Kersten, to all the chief executives of the WYCA for their information. As you and Kersten have not done a cost benefit or risks assessment we will be scrutinising every step. You should have consulted York citizens James- Kersten you should have insisted - you should have done cost, benefits, risks and options, but as always you did not. You did not because you know what the result would have been. Like Everything else you have done, you have done only what you what you want, for your political imperatives, ignoring us citizens. Gwen Swinburn[/p][/quote]Well said Gwen. I applaud you Kelvar
  • Score: -84

12:23pm Mon 31 Mar 14

JHardacre says...

Cuckoo, Land, Cloud.

Rearrange the above to name the place where this new body will meet.
Cuckoo, Land, Cloud. Rearrange the above to name the place where this new body will meet. JHardacre
  • Score: -141

12:28pm Mon 31 Mar 14

chelk says...

If Alexander is supporting this then it has to be wrong for York. This Council has not achieved anything to improve matters for the Local Residents. The sooner this lot is voted out the better. ...... Now we can all wait for the Manipulator to adjust the scores, it is like what used to happen in Communist USSR anyone who did not agree was censored or went missing, that could be next.
If Alexander is supporting this then it has to be wrong for York. This Council has not achieved anything to improve matters for the Local Residents. The sooner this lot is voted out the better. ...... Now we can all wait for the Manipulator to adjust the scores, it is like what used to happen in Communist USSR anyone who did not agree was censored or went missing, that could be next. chelk
  • Score: -93

12:31pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Pete the Brickie says...

"Super" Council, I'd settle for one which was just average.
"Super" Council, I'd settle for one which was just average. Pete the Brickie
  • Score: -76

1:06pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Badgers Drift says...

"could allow £40m of improvements to the outer ring road" ?

Merrett said it was £83m ?

Isn't this money allocated for a 15 year period, with York having to pay the WYCA £4m a year ? If so, York just gets it's own money back.

Sounds like another Labour con-trick from Alexander.

Kick him and Labour out in 2015 !
"could allow £40m of improvements to the outer ring road" ? Merrett said it was £83m ? Isn't this money allocated for a 15 year period, with York having to pay the WYCA £4m a year ? If so, York just gets it's own money back. Sounds like another Labour con-trick from Alexander. Kick him and Labour out in 2015 ! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -125

1:07pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Fat Harry says...

chelk wrote:
If Alexander is supporting this then it has to be wrong for York. This Council has not achieved anything to improve matters for the Local Residents. The sooner this lot is voted out the better. ...... Now we can all wait for the Manipulator to adjust the scores, it is like what used to happen in Communist USSR anyone who did not agree was censored or went missing, that could be next.
I suspect you're ascribing more power to Mr Alexander than he actually has.
[quote][p][bold]chelk[/bold] wrote: If Alexander is supporting this then it has to be wrong for York. This Council has not achieved anything to improve matters for the Local Residents. The sooner this lot is voted out the better. ...... Now we can all wait for the Manipulator to adjust the scores, it is like what used to happen in Communist USSR anyone who did not agree was censored or went missing, that could be next.[/p][/quote]I suspect you're ascribing more power to Mr Alexander than he actually has. Fat Harry
  • Score: -87

1:14pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Badgers Drift says...

As of now, the current scores on the first 16 posts are as follows:

All +
26, 15, 27, 15, 17, 19, 17, 13, 19, 45 (Gwen Swinburn), 24, 13, 15, 17, 16, & 14.

This is so all can see the true sentiment of readers, before any hacking from the council's or Labour's mark down mongrel !
As of now, the current scores on the first 16 posts are as follows: All + 26, 15, 27, 15, 17, 19, 17, 13, 19, 45 (Gwen Swinburn), 24, 13, 15, 17, 16, & 14. This is so all can see the true sentiment of readers, before any hacking from the council's or Labour's mark down mongrel ! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -119

1:20pm Mon 31 Mar 14

jumpersforgoalposts says...

" could allow £40 million of improvements to take place on York’s Outer Ring Road"
" could provide another £20 million for a long-awaited new bus station interchange"

but will probably be used to subsidise trams for leeds !

"could" means nothing in politics, aren't we still recovering and paying for the council getting their fingers burnt over allerton park incinerator?
" could allow £40 million of improvements to take place on York’s Outer Ring Road" " could provide another £20 million for a long-awaited new bus station interchange" but will probably be used to subsidise trams for leeds ! "could" means nothing in politics, aren't we still recovering and paying for the council getting their fingers burnt over allerton park incinerator? jumpersforgoalposts
  • Score: -129

1:23pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Badgers Drift says...

piaggio1 wrote:
And what have we got in commom with west yarkshire ????? NOWT....
Dominated by Labour Councillors:-

Lab Con Lib Dem Others
Wakefield 52 11 0 0
Leeds 21 6 3 3
Bradford 45 24 8 13
Kirklees 32 18 10 9
Calderdale 21 17 11 2

Totals 171 76 32 27
(56%)

York 26 9 9 3

It's a Labour take-over bid - strengthening of their domination !
[quote][p][bold]piaggio1[/bold] wrote: And what have we got in commom with west yarkshire ????? NOWT....[/p][/quote]Dominated by Labour Councillors:- Lab Con Lib Dem Others Wakefield 52 11 0 0 Leeds 21 6 3 3 Bradford 45 24 8 13 Kirklees 32 18 10 9 Calderdale 21 17 11 2 Totals 171 76 32 27 (56%) York 26 9 9 3 It's a Labour take-over bid - strengthening of their domination ! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -79

1:35pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Badgers Drift says...

gmsgop wrote:
Just for James...., James Alexander as leader of York City Council, it is entirely obscene that only York citizens were never consulted by you and Kersten England about joining the west yorkshire combined authority -all other cities were consulted deeply last spring. I looked at some comparative economic and social metrics with the West Yorkshire metro cities- York is like a fish out of water, so different on almost every metric! The metro authorities must be happy that Johnny come lately York with better economy and better social metrics joined the party- subsidising metro neighbours and smoothing poor social metrics. And of course James, yet another of your political imperatives with no cost or benefit analysis. What liabilities have we inherited? How much extra admin and lobbying costs will we be paying? How many extra trips, staff hours/days/weeks and so in will we have to fork out? For what? Some promise (by you) of a chance of a road upgrade? Don't worry I have already been in touch with the West Yorkshire Combined Authority- seems for admin, democracy & FOI purposes it is a separate authority. I have asked for urgent web/audio of all public meetings-in the interests of transparency. Plus asked that all members (including those like us that are not full voting, but full paying) have to publish agendas, minutes, calendars etc in each council democracy web system. I expect you to do this ahead of any formal agreement - after all I am sure you have nothing to hide. I will tweet this, James and Kersten, to all the chief executives of the WYCA for their information. As you and Kersten have not done a cost benefit or risks assessment we will be scrutinising every step. You should have consulted York citizens James- Kersten you should have insisted - you should have done cost, benefits, risks and options, but as always you did not. You did not because you know what the result would have been. Like Everything else you have done, you have done only what you what you want, for your political imperatives, ignoring us citizens. Gwen Swinburn
Gwen is rightly applauded for exposing this disgraceful act of political vandalism by Alexander and England.

Their ignorance and arrogance is beyond belief.

They are not York people, and are not for York or its people. They are using York for their political agenda.

They must be told to go !
[quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: Just for James...., James Alexander as leader of York City Council, it is entirely obscene that only York citizens were never consulted by you and Kersten England about joining the west yorkshire combined authority -all other cities were consulted deeply last spring. I looked at some comparative economic and social metrics with the West Yorkshire metro cities- York is like a fish out of water, so different on almost every metric! The metro authorities must be happy that Johnny come lately York with better economy and better social metrics joined the party- subsidising metro neighbours and smoothing poor social metrics. And of course James, yet another of your political imperatives with no cost or benefit analysis. What liabilities have we inherited? How much extra admin and lobbying costs will we be paying? How many extra trips, staff hours/days/weeks and so in will we have to fork out? For what? Some promise (by you) of a chance of a road upgrade? Don't worry I have already been in touch with the West Yorkshire Combined Authority- seems for admin, democracy & FOI purposes it is a separate authority. I have asked for urgent web/audio of all public meetings-in the interests of transparency. Plus asked that all members (including those like us that are not full voting, but full paying) have to publish agendas, minutes, calendars etc in each council democracy web system. I expect you to do this ahead of any formal agreement - after all I am sure you have nothing to hide. I will tweet this, James and Kersten, to all the chief executives of the WYCA for their information. As you and Kersten have not done a cost benefit or risks assessment we will be scrutinising every step. You should have consulted York citizens James- Kersten you should have insisted - you should have done cost, benefits, risks and options, but as always you did not. You did not because you know what the result would have been. Like Everything else you have done, you have done only what you what you want, for your political imperatives, ignoring us citizens. Gwen Swinburn[/p][/quote]Gwen is rightly applauded for exposing this disgraceful act of political vandalism by Alexander and England. Their ignorance and arrogance is beyond belief. They are not York people, and are not for York or its people. They are using York for their political agenda. They must be told to go ! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -77

1:40pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Platform3 says...

OMG - remember that the the Council's standing orders are now:

Standing order 1 - Alexander, Merret and Simpson-Laing are always right
Standing order 2 - in the event of anyone else being right then standing order (1) will apply

JA - how can we get it across to you and your colleagues that because of the way you have handled numerous issues over the past couple of years we are not prepared to accept such a significant change simply because of a few choice sound-bite remarks?If you can't deal with the comparatively simple issues that have dogged you so far how on earth are you going to manage when it comes fighting your corner against the large metropolitan authorities?
OMG - remember that the the Council's standing orders are now: Standing order 1 - Alexander, Merret and Simpson-Laing are always right Standing order 2 - in the event of anyone else being right then standing order (1) will apply JA - how can we get it across to you and your colleagues that because of the way you have handled numerous issues over the past couple of years we are not prepared to accept such a significant change simply because of a few choice sound-bite remarks?If you can't deal with the comparatively simple issues that have dogged you so far how on earth are you going to manage when it comes fighting your corner against the large metropolitan authorities? Platform3
  • Score: -49

1:43pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Badgers Drift says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
As of now, the current scores on the first 16 posts are as follows: All + 26, 15, 27, 15, 17, 19, 17, 13, 19, 45 (Gwen Swinburn), 24, 13, 15, 17, 16, & 14. This is so all can see the true sentiment of readers, before any hacking from the council's or Labour's mark down mongrel !
Latest scores:-

All +
31, 19, 33, 18, 21, 23, 24, 18, 25, 55 (Gwen Swinburn), 32, 19, 22, 22, 22, (16th comment deleted)

What a shame that at around 5.30pm these scores will be hacked as they usually are.
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: As of now, the current scores on the first 16 posts are as follows: All + 26, 15, 27, 15, 17, 19, 17, 13, 19, 45 (Gwen Swinburn), 24, 13, 15, 17, 16, & 14. This is so all can see the true sentiment of readers, before any hacking from the council's or Labour's mark down mongrel ![/p][/quote]Latest scores:- All + 31, 19, 33, 18, 21, 23, 24, 18, 25, 55 (Gwen Swinburn), 32, 19, 22, 22, 22, (16th comment deleted) What a shame that at around 5.30pm these scores will be hacked as they usually are. Badgers Drift
  • Score: -92

1:44pm Mon 31 Mar 14

MCWM says...

Personally I think it'd be great if York could share the benefits of cheaper rail travel that other places within the West Yorkshire PTE do.
An quick Google shows that a peak return from York to Leeds is £16.30 whereas the same journey from Huddersfield is £8.60. Same TOC. Same trains. Similar journey time.
Personally I think it'd be great if York could share the benefits of cheaper rail travel that other places within the West Yorkshire PTE do. An quick Google shows that a peak return from York to Leeds is £16.30 whereas the same journey from Huddersfield is £8.60. Same TOC. Same trains. Similar journey time. MCWM
  • Score: -69

1:50pm Mon 31 Mar 14

m dee says...

Personal Political gain springs to mind with this,one things for sure it is not for the benefit of our City,just a list of empty promises.
Personal Political gain springs to mind with this,one things for sure it is not for the benefit of our City,just a list of empty promises. m dee
  • Score: -80

1:51pm Mon 31 Mar 14

YorkPatrol says...

Why oh why did people vote these clowns in??

Weren’t Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, John Prescott and the like enough evidence of total incompetence for you to re-think your local council vote?

When will people learn….
Why oh why did people vote these clowns in?? Weren’t Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, John Prescott and the like enough evidence of total incompetence for you to re-think your local council vote? When will people learn…. YorkPatrol
  • Score: -79

2:21pm Mon 31 Mar 14

York1900 says...

This is nothing new York bus services are all ready run from Leeds most government services run from Leeds so why not the council as West Yorkshire can get a bigger share of government grants

Unlike North Yorkshire who get smaller grants from the government and York gets a smaller share of any grant per head

So York is throwing its lot with West Yorkshire in the hope that they will get a bigger share of the government grants for major improvement schemes

As North Yorkshire PCC said when she was talking about move HQ that York was to far south

So it really makes no difference to York if its as links to West or North Yorkshire





.
This is nothing new York bus services are all ready run from Leeds most government services run from Leeds so why not the council as West Yorkshire can get a bigger share of government grants Unlike North Yorkshire who get smaller grants from the government and York gets a smaller share of any grant per head So York is throwing its lot with West Yorkshire in the hope that they will get a bigger share of the government grants for major improvement schemes As North Yorkshire PCC said when she was talking about move HQ that York was to far south So it really makes no difference to York if its as links to West or North Yorkshire . York1900
  • Score: -133

2:53pm Mon 31 Mar 14

meme says...

I THOUGHT ACCES TO YORK CENTRAL HAD ALREADY BEEN ANNOUNCED WITH a £10 million bridge?
I THOUGHT ACCES TO YORK CENTRAL HAD ALREADY BEEN ANNOUNCED WITH a £10 million bridge? meme
  • Score: -140

3:11pm Mon 31 Mar 14

doltare says...

Madasanibbotson wrote:
Jimmy Alexander-Deluded as ever. He thinks this is a springboard to a political career. Whilst York would happily see the back of him tomorrow, he is dreaming if he thinks anyone anywhere anytime takes him seriously.
What about an update on his DIET that has a lot of coverage ? Another failed mission-no doubt he will blame the person that puts the fillings in the pies.
James good with the talk and nothing more! he cant even keep his flock in order! This man is rushing all sorts of silly thing throw before they are voted out next year! like refurb of market nobody wants! not stopping the supermarkets moving in on every street corner which is closing shops in the center. Thinking nobody in York likes using there cars so over priced car parks! closing bridges when all businesses complaining! Like it or not York needs to be brought back for residents! Alexander need voting out ASP. Labour will have York a Ghost City before long! Just look at the mess the country was in when they were in no 10!
[quote][p][bold]Madasanibbotson[/bold] wrote: Jimmy Alexander-Deluded as ever. He thinks this is a springboard to a political career. Whilst York would happily see the back of him tomorrow, he is dreaming if he thinks anyone anywhere anytime takes him seriously. What about an update on his DIET that has a lot of coverage ? Another failed mission-no doubt he will blame the person that puts the fillings in the pies.[/p][/quote]James good with the talk and nothing more! he cant even keep his flock in order! This man is rushing all sorts of silly thing throw before they are voted out next year! like refurb of market nobody wants! not stopping the supermarkets moving in on every street corner which is closing shops in the center. Thinking nobody in York likes using there cars so over priced car parks! closing bridges when all businesses complaining! Like it or not York needs to be brought back for residents! Alexander need voting out ASP. Labour will have York a Ghost City before long! Just look at the mess the country was in when they were in no 10! doltare
  • Score: -84

3:16pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Badgers Drift says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: As of now, the current scores on the first 16 posts are as follows: All + 26, 15, 27, 15, 17, 19, 17, 13, 19, 45 (Gwen Swinburn), 24, 13, 15, 17, 16, & 14. This is so all can see the true sentiment of readers, before any hacking from the council's or Labour's mark down mongrel !
Latest scores:- All + 31, 19, 33, 18, 21, 23, 24, 18, 25, 55 (Gwen Swinburn), 32, 19, 22, 22, 22, (16th comment deleted) What a shame that at around 5.30pm these scores will be hacked as they usually are.
Latest first 16 scores:-

All +
38, 22, 40, 30, 26, 30, 32, 25, 36, 72 (Gwen Swinburn), 40, 42, 26, 28, 32 & 34.

These un-hacked scores reflect true York public opinion against CYC being a non-viting member of this Labour-dominated West Yorkshire Combined Authority. They also reflect the strength of feeling against James Alexander, Labour and Kersten England.
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: As of now, the current scores on the first 16 posts are as follows: All + 26, 15, 27, 15, 17, 19, 17, 13, 19, 45 (Gwen Swinburn), 24, 13, 15, 17, 16, & 14. This is so all can see the true sentiment of readers, before any hacking from the council's or Labour's mark down mongrel ![/p][/quote]Latest scores:- All + 31, 19, 33, 18, 21, 23, 24, 18, 25, 55 (Gwen Swinburn), 32, 19, 22, 22, 22, (16th comment deleted) What a shame that at around 5.30pm these scores will be hacked as they usually are.[/p][/quote]Latest first 16 scores:- All + 38, 22, 40, 30, 26, 30, 32, 25, 36, 72 (Gwen Swinburn), 40, 42, 26, 28, 32 & 34. These un-hacked scores reflect true York public opinion against CYC being a non-viting member of this Labour-dominated West Yorkshire Combined Authority. They also reflect the strength of feeling against James Alexander, Labour and Kersten England. Badgers Drift
  • Score: 1785

3:35pm Mon 31 Mar 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: As of now, the current scores on the first 16 posts are as follows: All + 26, 15, 27, 15, 17, 19, 17, 13, 19, 45 (Gwen Swinburn), 24, 13, 15, 17, 16, & 14. This is so all can see the true sentiment of readers, before any hacking from the council's or Labour's mark down mongrel !
Latest scores:- All + 31, 19, 33, 18, 21, 23, 24, 18, 25, 55 (Gwen Swinburn), 32, 19, 22, 22, 22, (16th comment deleted) What a shame that at around 5.30pm these scores will be hacked as they usually are.
Latest first 16 scores:-

All +
38, 22, 40, 30, 26, 30, 32, 25, 36, 72 (Gwen Swinburn), 40, 42, 26, 28, 32 & 34.

These un-hacked scores reflect true York public opinion against CYC being a non-viting member of this Labour-dominated West Yorkshire Combined Authority. They also reflect the strength of feeling against James Alexander, Labour and Kersten England.
If there is the great council mis-information campaign. Why is the latest bridge votes skewed the other way? Throwing you off the scent haha?

Or (whisper if quietly) is it someone who just finds it funny to wind up people who care if their votes are changed to the other way? Shocker eh...
They must love you, every time someone mentions them I bet their resolve goes up tenfold to wind people up...
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: As of now, the current scores on the first 16 posts are as follows: All + 26, 15, 27, 15, 17, 19, 17, 13, 19, 45 (Gwen Swinburn), 24, 13, 15, 17, 16, & 14. This is so all can see the true sentiment of readers, before any hacking from the council's or Labour's mark down mongrel ![/p][/quote]Latest scores:- All + 31, 19, 33, 18, 21, 23, 24, 18, 25, 55 (Gwen Swinburn), 32, 19, 22, 22, 22, (16th comment deleted) What a shame that at around 5.30pm these scores will be hacked as they usually are.[/p][/quote]Latest first 16 scores:- All + 38, 22, 40, 30, 26, 30, 32, 25, 36, 72 (Gwen Swinburn), 40, 42, 26, 28, 32 & 34. These un-hacked scores reflect true York public opinion against CYC being a non-viting member of this Labour-dominated West Yorkshire Combined Authority. They also reflect the strength of feeling against James Alexander, Labour and Kersten England.[/p][/quote]If there is the great council mis-information campaign. Why is the latest bridge votes skewed the other way? Throwing you off the scent haha? Or (whisper if quietly) is it someone who just finds it funny to wind up people who care if their votes are changed to the other way? Shocker eh... They must love you, every time someone mentions them I bet their resolve goes up tenfold to wind people up... AGuyFromStrensall
  • Score: -134

3:59pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Badgers Drift says...

AGuyFromStrensall,

The score hacking imbecile distorts scores in all directions to mislead and disguise the true sentiments felt by the majority of York people towards the Labour council/regime.

Their resolve is not increased by remarks against the hacking moron, only by remarks against the Labour council/regime !

The more they hack, the more dodgy and dishonest it makes the Labour council/regime look !
AGuyFromStrensall, The score hacking imbecile distorts scores in all directions to mislead and disguise the true sentiments felt by the majority of York people towards the Labour council/regime. Their resolve is not increased by remarks against the hacking moron, only by remarks against the Labour council/regime ! The more they hack, the more dodgy and dishonest it makes the Labour council/regime look ! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -89

4:16pm Mon 31 Mar 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall,

The score hacking imbecile distorts scores in all directions to mislead and disguise the true sentiments felt by the majority of York people towards the Labour council/regime.

Their resolve is not increased by remarks against the hacking moron, only by remarks against the Labour council/regime !

The more they hack, the more dodgy and dishonest it makes the Labour council/regime look !
Oooh I know where he lives, I've traced his IP.

Come with me on a trip... turns out it's the tv studio where they filmed the moon landings, behind the grassy knoll in Dallas. And you'll never believe who it is... it's Lord Lucan ably assisted by Jimmy Hoffa! Wow, I wondered what those guys had been doing... turns out they were cheekily freelancing for York council!
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: AGuyFromStrensall, The score hacking imbecile distorts scores in all directions to mislead and disguise the true sentiments felt by the majority of York people towards the Labour council/regime. Their resolve is not increased by remarks against the hacking moron, only by remarks against the Labour council/regime ! The more they hack, the more dodgy and dishonest it makes the Labour council/regime look ![/p][/quote]Oooh I know where he lives, I've traced his IP. Come with me on a trip... turns out it's the tv studio where they filmed the moon landings, behind the grassy knoll in Dallas. And you'll never believe who it is... it's Lord Lucan ably assisted by Jimmy Hoffa! Wow, I wondered what those guys had been doing... turns out they were cheekily freelancing for York council! AGuyFromStrensall
  • Score: 766

4:42pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Badgers Drift says...

AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: AGuyFromStrensall, The score hacking imbecile distorts scores in all directions to mislead and disguise the true sentiments felt by the majority of York people towards the Labour council/regime. Their resolve is not increased by remarks against the hacking moron, only by remarks against the Labour council/regime ! The more they hack, the more dodgy and dishonest it makes the Labour council/regime look !
Oooh I know where he lives, I've traced his IP. Come with me on a trip... turns out it's the tv studio where they filmed the moon landings, behind the grassy knoll in Dallas. And you'll never believe who it is... it's Lord Lucan ably assisted by Jimmy Hoffa! Wow, I wondered what those guys had been doing... turns out they were cheekily freelancing for York council!
Oh., look.... there are only three comments with -ve scores out of 37:-

York1900 (2.21pm) -6
AGuyFromStrensall (3.35pm) -7
Ditto (4.16pm) -4

Meanwhile Gwen Swinburn is now +86

Lets see what they are after 5.30pm ?
[quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: AGuyFromStrensall, The score hacking imbecile distorts scores in all directions to mislead and disguise the true sentiments felt by the majority of York people towards the Labour council/regime. Their resolve is not increased by remarks against the hacking moron, only by remarks against the Labour council/regime ! The more they hack, the more dodgy and dishonest it makes the Labour council/regime look ![/p][/quote]Oooh I know where he lives, I've traced his IP. Come with me on a trip... turns out it's the tv studio where they filmed the moon landings, behind the grassy knoll in Dallas. And you'll never believe who it is... it's Lord Lucan ably assisted by Jimmy Hoffa! Wow, I wondered what those guys had been doing... turns out they were cheekily freelancing for York council![/p][/quote]Oh., look.... there are only three comments with -ve scores out of 37:- York1900 (2.21pm) -6 AGuyFromStrensall (3.35pm) -7 Ditto (4.16pm) -4 Meanwhile Gwen Swinburn is now +86 Lets see what they are after 5.30pm ? Badgers Drift
  • Score: 334

4:45pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Garrowby Turnoff says...

Isn't the term "Super Council" an oxymoron?
Isn't the term "Super Council" an oxymoron? Garrowby Turnoff
  • Score: -121

4:47pm Mon 31 Mar 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

As if we needed any more reasons not to vote Labour at the next local elections, we get the band of hope, the maybe and possibly combined authority.

But then what have they to loose, un-electable Labour still do what they want, this is not leadership it is weakness, fear of facing the electorate.

Decisions that have a major impact on the electorate need to be consulted upon and as in the case of combined authorities needs to be decided by the electorate.

So much to do in a years time to put York back on track and so much freely given ammunition for the Con's and Lib Dems to fire.

Looking forward to reading the manifesto of each party very soon, Labour do need to drop the pledge "making consultation genuine".
As if we needed any more reasons not to vote Labour at the next local elections, we get the band of hope, the maybe and possibly combined authority. But then what have they to loose, un-electable Labour still do what they want, this is not leadership it is weakness, fear of facing the electorate. Decisions that have a major impact on the electorate need to be consulted upon and as in the case of combined authorities needs to be decided by the electorate. So much to do in a years time to put York back on track and so much freely given ammunition for the Con's and Lib Dems to fire. Looking forward to reading the manifesto of each party very soon, Labour do need to drop the pledge "making consultation genuine". YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -58

5:17pm Mon 31 Mar 14

meme says...

it does seem a shame that no one seems to trust our Council leaders anymore as it does not bode well for the future
Obviously they have to make some pretty unpopular decisions and cannot please everyone all the time but it seems to be the lack of debate and democracy that's causing the issues
If they listened more and took note, rather than pay lip service to what people think/say, even unpopular decisions would be lived with so long as there was free debate rather than this endless issue of blocking things they don't want to hear.
Everyone knows deep down that some decisions will not be accepted by all but please Council start real debate/consultations
...Listen to local people...employ local consultants who understand York and its issues and then respect may be earned again rather than behaving like power mad dictators.
it does seem a shame that no one seems to trust our Council leaders anymore as it does not bode well for the future Obviously they have to make some pretty unpopular decisions and cannot please everyone all the time but it seems to be the lack of debate and democracy that's causing the issues If they listened more and took note, rather than pay lip service to what people think/say, even unpopular decisions would be lived with so long as there was free debate rather than this endless issue of blocking things they don't want to hear. Everyone knows deep down that some decisions will not be accepted by all but please Council start real debate/consultations ...Listen to local people...employ local consultants who understand York and its issues and then respect may be earned again rather than behaving like power mad dictators. meme
  • Score: 727

5:31pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Thislittleold market town says...

gmsgop wrote:
Just for James....,
James Alexander as leader of York City Council, it is entirely obscene that only York citizens were never consulted by you and Kersten England about joining the west yorkshire combined authority -all other cities were consulted deeply last spring.

I looked at some comparative economic and social metrics with the West Yorkshire metro cities- York is like a fish out of water, so different on almost every metric! The metro authorities must be happy that Johnny come lately York with better economy and better social metrics joined the party- subsidising metro neighbours and smoothing poor social metrics.

And of course James, yet another of your political imperatives with no cost or benefit analysis. What liabilities have we inherited? How much extra admin and lobbying costs will we be paying? How many extra trips, staff hours/days/weeks and so in will we have to fork out? For what? Some promise (by you) of a chance of a road upgrade?

Don't worry I have already been in touch with the West Yorkshire Combined Authority- seems for admin, democracy & FOI purposes it is a separate authority. I have asked for urgent web/audio of all public meetings-in the interests of transparency. Plus asked that all members (including those like us that are not full voting, but full paying) have to publish agendas, minutes, calendars etc in each council democracy web system. I expect you to do this ahead of any formal agreement - after all I am sure you have nothing to hide.

I will tweet this, James and Kersten, to all the chief executives of the WYCA for their information. As you and Kersten have not done a cost benefit or risks assessment we will be scrutinising every step. You should have consulted York citizens James- Kersten you should have insisted - you should have done cost, benefits, risks and options, but as always you did not. You did not because you know what the result would have been.

Like Everything else you have done, you have done only what you what you want, for your political imperatives, ignoring us citizens.
Gwen Swinburn
Gwen I like your style,you are an asset to this city,you sate facts not spin,truth not lies,expose wrong doings all in an informed true polite way,every city should have a Gwen to keep these wannabe politicians on the correct path,u deserve the keys to the city
Keep up the good work
[quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: Just for James...., James Alexander as leader of York City Council, it is entirely obscene that only York citizens were never consulted by you and Kersten England about joining the west yorkshire combined authority -all other cities were consulted deeply last spring. I looked at some comparative economic and social metrics with the West Yorkshire metro cities- York is like a fish out of water, so different on almost every metric! The metro authorities must be happy that Johnny come lately York with better economy and better social metrics joined the party- subsidising metro neighbours and smoothing poor social metrics. And of course James, yet another of your political imperatives with no cost or benefit analysis. What liabilities have we inherited? How much extra admin and lobbying costs will we be paying? How many extra trips, staff hours/days/weeks and so in will we have to fork out? For what? Some promise (by you) of a chance of a road upgrade? Don't worry I have already been in touch with the West Yorkshire Combined Authority- seems for admin, democracy & FOI purposes it is a separate authority. I have asked for urgent web/audio of all public meetings-in the interests of transparency. Plus asked that all members (including those like us that are not full voting, but full paying) have to publish agendas, minutes, calendars etc in each council democracy web system. I expect you to do this ahead of any formal agreement - after all I am sure you have nothing to hide. I will tweet this, James and Kersten, to all the chief executives of the WYCA for their information. As you and Kersten have not done a cost benefit or risks assessment we will be scrutinising every step. You should have consulted York citizens James- Kersten you should have insisted - you should have done cost, benefits, risks and options, but as always you did not. You did not because you know what the result would have been. Like Everything else you have done, you have done only what you what you want, for your political imperatives, ignoring us citizens. Gwen Swinburn[/p][/quote]Gwen I like your style,you are an asset to this city,you sate facts not spin,truth not lies,expose wrong doings all in an informed true polite way,every city should have a Gwen to keep these wannabe politicians on the correct path,u deserve the keys to the city Keep up the good work Thislittleold market town
  • Score: 1162

5:46pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Caecilius says...

doltare wrote:
Madasanibbotson wrote:
Jimmy Alexander-Deluded as ever. He thinks this is a springboard to a political career. Whilst York would happily see the back of him tomorrow, he is dreaming if he thinks anyone anywhere anytime takes him seriously.
What about an update on his DIET that has a lot of coverage ? Another failed mission-no doubt he will blame the person that puts the fillings in the pies.
James good with the talk and nothing more! he cant even keep his flock in order! This man is rushing all sorts of silly thing throw before they are voted out next year! like refurb of market nobody wants! not stopping the supermarkets moving in on every street corner which is closing shops in the center. Thinking nobody in York likes using there cars so over priced car parks! closing bridges when all businesses complaining! Like it or not York needs to be brought back for residents! Alexander need voting out ASP. Labour will have York a Ghost City before long! Just look at the mess the country was in when they were in no 10!
I'm a York resident. I'm no fan of Labour in general or of James Alexander in particular but at least they recognise, occasionally, that people other than car drivers live here, pay council tax and are entitled to a look in. And that means that motorists' interests sometimes have to give way to other people's, for example with Lendal Bridge, whether they like using their cars or not. As for supermarkets moving into the city centre - well, that's free market economics for you and I think you'll find the Conservatives are all for that, too. It seems that the supermarket chains believe there are enough potential customers still coming into town for them all to make a go of it, even if a minority of businesses blame their woes on the supposed mass defection of people who don't read road signs or who can't figure out an alternative route to a car park. No doubt the supermarkets will have done evidence-based cash flow projections before deciding to commit to city centre shops, unlike the people who just shout that it's 'obvious' businesses are doing badly because cars are banned from Lendal Bridge.
[quote][p][bold]doltare[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Madasanibbotson[/bold] wrote: Jimmy Alexander-Deluded as ever. He thinks this is a springboard to a political career. Whilst York would happily see the back of him tomorrow, he is dreaming if he thinks anyone anywhere anytime takes him seriously. What about an update on his DIET that has a lot of coverage ? Another failed mission-no doubt he will blame the person that puts the fillings in the pies.[/p][/quote]James good with the talk and nothing more! he cant even keep his flock in order! This man is rushing all sorts of silly thing throw before they are voted out next year! like refurb of market nobody wants! not stopping the supermarkets moving in on every street corner which is closing shops in the center. Thinking nobody in York likes using there cars so over priced car parks! closing bridges when all businesses complaining! Like it or not York needs to be brought back for residents! Alexander need voting out ASP. Labour will have York a Ghost City before long! Just look at the mess the country was in when they were in no 10![/p][/quote]I'm a York resident. I'm no fan of Labour in general or of James Alexander in particular but at least they recognise, occasionally, that people other than car drivers live here, pay council tax and are entitled to a look in. And that means that motorists' interests sometimes have to give way to other people's, for example with Lendal Bridge, whether they like using their cars or not. As for supermarkets moving into the city centre - well, that's free market economics for you and I think you'll find the Conservatives are all for that, too. It seems that the supermarket chains believe there are enough potential customers still coming into town for them all to make a go of it, even if a minority of businesses blame their woes on the supposed mass defection of people who don't read road signs or who can't figure out an alternative route to a car park. No doubt the supermarkets will have done evidence-based cash flow projections before deciding to commit to city centre shops, unlike the people who just shout that it's 'obvious' businesses are doing badly because cars are banned from Lendal Bridge. Caecilius
  • Score: 1025

6:07pm Mon 31 Mar 14

jay, york says...

YorkPatrol wrote:
Why oh why did people vote these clowns in?? Weren’t Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, John Prescott and the like enough evidence of total incompetence for you to re-think your local council vote? When will people learn….
I think a lot more people will have learded an awful lot more by now! We want a council that is prepared to represent the citizens of York - not their own personal ambitions and pet schemes.
[quote][p][bold]YorkPatrol[/bold] wrote: Why oh why did people vote these clowns in?? Weren’t Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, John Prescott and the like enough evidence of total incompetence for you to re-think your local council vote? When will people learn….[/p][/quote]I think a lot more people will have learded an awful lot more by now! We want a council that is prepared to represent the citizens of York - not their own personal ambitions and pet schemes. jay, york
  • Score: -18

6:17pm Mon 31 Mar 14

jay, york says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall, The score hacking imbecile distorts scores in all directions to mislead and disguise the true sentiments felt by the majority of York people towards the Labour council/regime. Their resolve is not increased by remarks against the hacking moron, only by remarks against the Labour council/regime ! The more they hack, the more dodgy and dishonest it makes the Labour council/regime look !
That is so true!
But lets not credit them with having a score hacker - they're not that bright.
I reckon that every time there is an article or letter in the Press relating to anything to do with CYC, they send an automatic e-mail to all their labour cronies telling them to vote the opposite of what the majority of York residents feelings and beliefs are. They dont have to read the article or letter - just change the vote. This is why it all happens at certain times.
Corruupt and stupid CYC!
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: AGuyFromStrensall, The score hacking imbecile distorts scores in all directions to mislead and disguise the true sentiments felt by the majority of York people towards the Labour council/regime. Their resolve is not increased by remarks against the hacking moron, only by remarks against the Labour council/regime ! The more they hack, the more dodgy and dishonest it makes the Labour council/regime look ![/p][/quote]That is so true! But lets not credit them with having a score hacker - they're not that bright. I reckon that every time there is an article or letter in the Press relating to anything to do with CYC, they send an automatic e-mail to all their labour cronies telling them to vote the opposite of what the majority of York residents feelings and beliefs are. They dont have to read the article or letter - just change the vote. This is why it all happens at certain times. Corruupt and stupid CYC! jay, york
  • Score: 10

6:20pm Mon 31 Mar 14

pedalling paul says...

The A1237 roundabouts are the pinch points, rather than the single carriageway. That's what COYC inherited from the Highways Agency when the road was detrunked, and from the orignal design by North Yorks County Council.
Some work on roundabout capacity is being done, but the road presents significant severance for non-motorised user who wish to safely cross it. Again some work has been done to redress this but we are far from an ideal situation at present.
The overarching question which no-one has the guts to answer here, is for how few years would a dualled A1237 "relieve congestion" before its very presence encourages so many extra car journeys that it becomes as bunged up as the existing road.
A bit like the pantry in PP Towers. When we moved in, Mrs PP wanted some new shelves, so I fitted some. She quickly filled then up and wanted more. So I fitted some more. Now there's no space left for more shelves. Suggestions please....!!
The A1237 roundabouts are the pinch points, rather than the single carriageway. That's what COYC inherited from the Highways Agency when the road was detrunked, and from the orignal design by North Yorks County Council. Some work on roundabout capacity is being done, but the road presents significant severance for non-motorised user who wish to safely cross it. Again some work has been done to redress this but we are far from an ideal situation at present. The overarching question which no-one has the guts to answer here, is for how few years would a dualled A1237 "relieve congestion" before its very presence encourages so many extra car journeys that it becomes as bunged up as the existing road. A bit like the pantry in PP Towers. When we moved in, Mrs PP wanted some new shelves, so I fitted some. She quickly filled then up and wanted more. So I fitted some more. Now there's no space left for more shelves. Suggestions please....!! pedalling paul
  • Score: -909

7:38pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

roskoboskovic wrote:
everytime i see that smug look on his face it want to smash my laptop.
Why don't you go ahead and smash it? Then no-one would have to read your badly punctuated paranoid fantasies and rants that you try to pass off as fact.

Oooh the council!
Oooh the students!
Oooh the university!
Oooh the bikes!
[quote][p][bold]roskoboskovic[/bold] wrote: everytime i see that smug look on his face it want to smash my laptop.[/p][/quote]Why don't you go ahead and smash it? Then no-one would have to read your badly punctuated paranoid fantasies and rants that you try to pass off as fact. Oooh the council! Oooh the students! Oooh the university! Oooh the bikes! Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: -14

7:44pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

YorkPatrol wrote:
Why oh why did people vote these clowns in??

Weren’t Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, John Prescott and the like enough evidence of total incompetence for you to re-think your local council vote?

When will people learn….
Because the last lot were clowns. Arrogant clowns.

And I'll go out on a limb here and I'll just bet you that the next lot are a bunch of arrogant clowns.

We can't win...
[quote][p][bold]YorkPatrol[/bold] wrote: Why oh why did people vote these clowns in?? Weren’t Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, John Prescott and the like enough evidence of total incompetence for you to re-think your local council vote? When will people learn….[/p][/quote]Because the last lot were clowns. Arrogant clowns. And I'll go out on a limb here and I'll just bet you that the next lot are a bunch of arrogant clowns. We can't win... Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 4

7:44pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Badgers Drift says...

meme wrote:
it does seem a shame that no one seems to trust our Council leaders anymore as it does not bode well for the future Obviously they have to make some pretty unpopular decisions and cannot please everyone all the time but it seems to be the lack of debate and democracy that's causing the issues If they listened more and took note, rather than pay lip service to what people think/say, even unpopular decisions would be lived with so long as there was free debate rather than this endless issue of blocking things they don't want to hear. Everyone knows deep down that some decisions will not be accepted by all but please Council start real debate/consultations ...Listen to local people...employ local consultants who understand York and its issues and then respect may be earned again rather than behaving like power mad dictators.
You are wasting your breath.

They are not interested in what York people want or think - their actions are proof of that. The current regime are not there to listen, and not there to help the people of York. They have ideological agendas and are using York to further their cause, doing untold damage in the process.

The last three words of your comment sum up exactly what they are - 'power mad dictators' !

Stop making excuses for them, and start attacking and exposing the individuls and policies. The only way to deal with them is to boot them out - every councillor and officer who are part of the cult/movement. They must be brought down, along with the score hacking dullard !
[quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: it does seem a shame that no one seems to trust our Council leaders anymore as it does not bode well for the future Obviously they have to make some pretty unpopular decisions and cannot please everyone all the time but it seems to be the lack of debate and democracy that's causing the issues If they listened more and took note, rather than pay lip service to what people think/say, even unpopular decisions would be lived with so long as there was free debate rather than this endless issue of blocking things they don't want to hear. Everyone knows deep down that some decisions will not be accepted by all but please Council start real debate/consultations ...Listen to local people...employ local consultants who understand York and its issues and then respect may be earned again rather than behaving like power mad dictators.[/p][/quote]You are wasting your breath. They are not interested in what York people want or think - their actions are proof of that. The current regime are not there to listen, and not there to help the people of York. They have ideological agendas and are using York to further their cause, doing untold damage in the process. The last three words of your comment sum up exactly what they are - 'power mad dictators' ! Stop making excuses for them, and start attacking and exposing the individuls and policies. The only way to deal with them is to boot them out - every councillor and officer who are part of the cult/movement. They must be brought down, along with the score hacking dullard ! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -52

7:48pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Igiveinthen says...

pedalling paul wrote:
The A1237 roundabouts are the pinch points, rather than the single carriageway. That's what COYC inherited from the Highways Agency when the road was detrunked, and from the orignal design by North Yorks County Council.
Some work on roundabout capacity is being done, but the road presents significant severance for non-motorised user who wish to safely cross it. Again some work has been done to redress this but we are far from an ideal situation at present.
The overarching question which no-one has the guts to answer here, is for how few years would a dualled A1237 "relieve congestion" before its very presence encourages so many extra car journeys that it becomes as bunged up as the existing road.
A bit like the pantry in PP Towers. When we moved in, Mrs PP wanted some new shelves, so I fitted some. She quickly filled then up and wanted more. So I fitted some more. Now there's no space left for more shelves. Suggestions please....!!
Why not try divorce! Then you won't need to put up anymore shelves!!!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The A1237 roundabouts are the pinch points, rather than the single carriageway. That's what COYC inherited from the Highways Agency when the road was detrunked, and from the orignal design by North Yorks County Council. Some work on roundabout capacity is being done, but the road presents significant severance for non-motorised user who wish to safely cross it. Again some work has been done to redress this but we are far from an ideal situation at present. The overarching question which no-one has the guts to answer here, is for how few years would a dualled A1237 "relieve congestion" before its very presence encourages so many extra car journeys that it becomes as bunged up as the existing road. A bit like the pantry in PP Towers. When we moved in, Mrs PP wanted some new shelves, so I fitted some. She quickly filled then up and wanted more. So I fitted some more. Now there's no space left for more shelves. Suggestions please....!![/p][/quote]Why not try divorce! Then you won't need to put up anymore shelves!!! Igiveinthen
  • Score: -114

7:48pm Mon 31 Mar 14

What-a-joke-they-are says...

roskoboskovic wrote:
everytime i see that smug look on his face it want to smash my laptop.
It's not my laptop I want to smack!
[quote][p][bold]roskoboskovic[/bold] wrote: everytime i see that smug look on his face it want to smash my laptop.[/p][/quote]It's not my laptop I want to smack! What-a-joke-they-are
  • Score: -86

7:49pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Pinza-C55 says...

pedalling paul wrote:
The A1237 roundabouts are the pinch points, rather than the single carriageway. That's what COYC inherited from the Highways Agency when the road was detrunked, and from the orignal design by North Yorks County Council.
Some work on roundabout capacity is being done, but the road presents significant severance for non-motorised user who wish to safely cross it. Again some work has been done to redress this but we are far from an ideal situation at present.
The overarching question which no-one has the guts to answer here, is for how few years would a dualled A1237 "relieve congestion" before its very presence encourages so many extra car journeys that it becomes as bunged up as the existing road.
A bit like the pantry in PP Towers. When we moved in, Mrs PP wanted some new shelves, so I fitted some. She quickly filled then up and wanted more. So I fitted some more. Now there's no space left for more shelves. Suggestions please....!!
"Suggestions please....!!"

I have many suggestions for you but none of them relate to extra shelving space.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The A1237 roundabouts are the pinch points, rather than the single carriageway. That's what COYC inherited from the Highways Agency when the road was detrunked, and from the orignal design by North Yorks County Council. Some work on roundabout capacity is being done, but the road presents significant severance for non-motorised user who wish to safely cross it. Again some work has been done to redress this but we are far from an ideal situation at present. The overarching question which no-one has the guts to answer here, is for how few years would a dualled A1237 "relieve congestion" before its very presence encourages so many extra car journeys that it becomes as bunged up as the existing road. A bit like the pantry in PP Towers. When we moved in, Mrs PP wanted some new shelves, so I fitted some. She quickly filled then up and wanted more. So I fitted some more. Now there's no space left for more shelves. Suggestions please....!![/p][/quote]"Suggestions please....!!" I have many suggestions for you but none of them relate to extra shelving space. Pinza-C55
  • Score: -96

7:59pm Mon 31 Mar 14

ZachCohen says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
As of now, the current scores on the first 16 posts are as follows: All + 26, 15, 27, 15, 17, 19, 17, 13, 19, 45 (Gwen Swinburn), 24, 13, 15, 17, 16, & 14. This is so all can see the true sentiment of readers, before any hacking from the council's or Labour's mark down mongrel !
Latest scores:-

All +
31, 19, 33, 18, 21, 23, 24, 18, 25, 55 (Gwen Swinburn), 32, 19, 22, 22, 22, (16th comment deleted)

What a shame that at around 5.30pm these scores will be hacked as they usually are.
Latest scores.....
13, -29, -34, -81, -40, -54, -60, -108, -85, -49 gwen, -116, -186, -130, -107, -120

It's amazing how gwens comment has had a -120 swing in 3 hours since 4.30. That's a mark down every minute and a half. It seems the hacker bot is in full swing.
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: As of now, the current scores on the first 16 posts are as follows: All + 26, 15, 27, 15, 17, 19, 17, 13, 19, 45 (Gwen Swinburn), 24, 13, 15, 17, 16, & 14. This is so all can see the true sentiment of readers, before any hacking from the council's or Labour's mark down mongrel ![/p][/quote]Latest scores:- All + 31, 19, 33, 18, 21, 23, 24, 18, 25, 55 (Gwen Swinburn), 32, 19, 22, 22, 22, (16th comment deleted) What a shame that at around 5.30pm these scores will be hacked as they usually are.[/p][/quote]Latest scores..... 13, -29, -34, -81, -40, -54, -60, -108, -85, -49 gwen, -116, -186, -130, -107, -120 It's amazing how gwens comment has had a -120 swing in 3 hours since 4.30. That's a mark down every minute and a half. It seems the hacker bot is in full swing. ZachCohen
  • Score: -77

9:12pm Mon 31 Mar 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Great opportunity for a FOI request, the press should publish the decision process that has been applied to reach the conclusion that joining West Yorkshire is in the interest of York and it's residents.

Wouldn't be necessary if the process had been done openly, but the secret service that is York Council have decided as in many cases the behind closed doors policy is best.

Lets have the facts published in the press.
Great opportunity for a FOI request, the press should publish the decision process that has been applied to reach the conclusion that joining West Yorkshire is in the interest of York and it's residents. Wouldn't be necessary if the process had been done openly, but the secret service that is York Council have decided as in many cases the behind closed doors policy is best. Lets have the facts published in the press. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -58

9:56pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Omega Point says...

roskoboskovic wrote:
everytime i see that smug look on his face it want to smash my laptop.
Then you need therapy
[quote][p][bold]roskoboskovic[/bold] wrote: everytime i see that smug look on his face it want to smash my laptop.[/p][/quote]Then you need therapy Omega Point
  • Score: -123

9:57pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Omega Point says...

roskoboskovic wrote:
everytime i see that smug look on his face it want to smash my laptop.
Try therapy and a nightclass on the use of capital letters
[quote][p][bold]roskoboskovic[/bold] wrote: everytime i see that smug look on his face it want to smash my laptop.[/p][/quote]Try therapy and a nightclass on the use of capital letters Omega Point
  • Score: -43

10:03pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Igiveinthen says...

Omega Point wrote:
roskoboskovic wrote:
everytime i see that smug look on his face it want to smash my laptop.
Try therapy and a nightclass on the use of capital letters
can u recomend one that i cud enroll on as wel?
[quote][p][bold]Omega Point[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roskoboskovic[/bold] wrote: everytime i see that smug look on his face it want to smash my laptop.[/p][/quote]Try therapy and a nightclass on the use of capital letters[/p][/quote]can u recomend one that i cud enroll on as wel? Igiveinthen
  • Score: -43

10:33pm Mon 31 Mar 14

matroom says...

I see the trolls at it again.
I see the trolls at it again. matroom
  • Score: -39

10:46pm Mon 31 Mar 14

pedalling paul says...

The overarching question which no-one has the guts to answer here, is for how few years would a dualled A1237 "relieve congestion" before its very presence encourages so many extra car journeys that it becomes as bunged up as the existing road.

No answers yet.......dare anyone make a prediction?
The overarching question which no-one has the guts to answer here, is for how few years would a dualled A1237 "relieve congestion" before its very presence encourages so many extra car journeys that it becomes as bunged up as the existing road. No answers yet.......dare anyone make a prediction? pedalling paul
  • Score: 41

11:57pm Mon 31 Mar 14

AnotherPointofView says...

pedalling paul wrote:
The overarching question which no-one has the guts to answer here, is for how few years would a dualled A1237 "relieve congestion" before its very presence encourages so many extra car journeys that it becomes as bunged up as the existing road.

No answers yet.......dare anyone make a prediction?
Yes, you will use the word "gridlock" before the week is out.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The overarching question which no-one has the guts to answer here, is for how few years would a dualled A1237 "relieve congestion" before its very presence encourages so many extra car journeys that it becomes as bunged up as the existing road. No answers yet.......dare anyone make a prediction?[/p][/quote]Yes, you will use the word "gridlock" before the week is out. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: -40

1:13am Tue 1 Apr 14

jay, york says...

pedalling paul wrote:
The overarching question which no-one has the guts to answer here, is for how few years would a dualled A1237 "relieve congestion" before its very presence encourages so many extra car journeys that it becomes as bunged up as the existing road. No answers yet.......dare anyone make a prediction?
Grow up PP - you dont want motor vehicl;es in the city - and now you dont want them on the ring road, which is designed to take traffic out of the city.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The overarching question which no-one has the guts to answer here, is for how few years would a dualled A1237 "relieve congestion" before its very presence encourages so many extra car journeys that it becomes as bunged up as the existing road. No answers yet.......dare anyone make a prediction?[/p][/quote]Grow up PP - you dont want motor vehicl;es in the city - and now you dont want them on the ring road, which is designed to take traffic out of the city. jay, york
  • Score: -30

7:04am Tue 1 Apr 14

Igiveinthen says...

AnotherPointofView wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
The overarching question which no-one has the guts to answer here, is for how few years would a dualled A1237 "relieve congestion" before its very presence encourages so many extra car journeys that it becomes as bunged up as the existing road.

No answers yet.......dare anyone make a prediction?
Yes, you will use the word "gridlock" before the week is out.
And dont forget 'carmageddon'
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The overarching question which no-one has the guts to answer here, is for how few years would a dualled A1237 "relieve congestion" before its very presence encourages so many extra car journeys that it becomes as bunged up as the existing road. No answers yet.......dare anyone make a prediction?[/p][/quote]Yes, you will use the word "gridlock" before the week is out.[/p][/quote]And dont forget 'carmageddon' Igiveinthen
  • Score: -23

7:10am Tue 1 Apr 14

Igiveinthen says...

jay, york wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
The overarching question which no-one has the guts to answer here, is for how few years would a dualled A1237 "relieve congestion" before its very presence encourages so many extra car journeys that it becomes as bunged up as the existing road. No answers yet.......dare anyone make a prediction?
Grow up PP - you dont want motor vehicl;es in the city - and now you dont want them on the ring road, which is designed to take traffic out of the city.
Isn't the A1237 'bunged up' as pp puts due to the fact that the so called 'planners' didn't look far enough into the future? They should have employed pp at that point and use his superior ability to foresee the problems in the coming decades!
[quote][p][bold]jay, york[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The overarching question which no-one has the guts to answer here, is for how few years would a dualled A1237 "relieve congestion" before its very presence encourages so many extra car journeys that it becomes as bunged up as the existing road. No answers yet.......dare anyone make a prediction?[/p][/quote]Grow up PP - you dont want motor vehicl;es in the city - and now you dont want them on the ring road, which is designed to take traffic out of the city.[/p][/quote]Isn't the A1237 'bunged up' as pp puts due to the fact that the so called 'planners' didn't look far enough into the future? They should have employed pp at that point and use his superior ability to foresee the problems in the coming decades! Igiveinthen
  • Score: -40

7:17am Tue 1 Apr 14

Igiveinthen says...

Igiveinthen wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
The overarching question which no-one has the guts to answer here, is for how few years would a dualled A1237 "relieve congestion" before its very presence encourages so many extra car journeys that it becomes as bunged up as the existing road.

No answers yet.......dare anyone make a prediction?
Yes, you will use the word "gridlock" before the week is out.
And dont forget 'carmageddon'
Wow! that didn't take long for the vote rigger to down grade me -25 in 6 minutes!
[quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The overarching question which no-one has the guts to answer here, is for how few years would a dualled A1237 "relieve congestion" before its very presence encourages so many extra car journeys that it becomes as bunged up as the existing road. No answers yet.......dare anyone make a prediction?[/p][/quote]Yes, you will use the word "gridlock" before the week is out.[/p][/quote]And dont forget 'carmageddon'[/p][/quote]Wow! that didn't take long for the vote rigger to down grade me -25 in 6 minutes! Igiveinthen
  • Score: -23

7:21am Tue 1 Apr 14

oi oi savaloy says...

pedalling paul wrote:
The overarching question which no-one has the guts to answer here, is for how few years would a dualled A1237 "relieve congestion" before its very presence encourages so many extra car journeys that it becomes as bunged up as the existing road.

No answers yet.......dare anyone make a prediction?
An outer ring road doesn't encourage people to drive to work over cycling!
People use the outer ring road because they have travelled a substantial distance to work.. cycling to work from places like Harrogate and Leeds and Malton to York (or the reverse) on a daily basis is a bit too much don't you think?? this is how York as been engineered over the last 20+ years with the governments and its local m.p.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The overarching question which no-one has the guts to answer here, is for how few years would a dualled A1237 "relieve congestion" before its very presence encourages so many extra car journeys that it becomes as bunged up as the existing road. No answers yet.......dare anyone make a prediction?[/p][/quote]An outer ring road doesn't encourage people to drive to work over cycling! People use the outer ring road because they have travelled a substantial distance to work.. cycling to work from places like Harrogate and Leeds and Malton to York (or the reverse) on a daily basis is a bit too much don't you think?? this is how York as been engineered over the last 20+ years with the governments and its local m.p. oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -142

10:33am Tue 1 Apr 14

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

So, does the hacker putting all the minuses in have a day job? He was still at it at 7.21 this morning, after joining the melée at around going-home time yesterday - is he still at it now? Or does he do it at work too? Is he paid to do it?

I'm not saying I mind; I just want to know.
So, does the hacker putting all the minuses in have a day job? He was still at it at 7.21 this morning, after joining the melée at around going-home time yesterday - is he still at it now? Or does he do it at work too? Is he paid to do it? I'm not saying I mind; I just want to know. Ignatius Lumpopo
  • Score: -9

11:34am Tue 1 Apr 14

JasBro says...

pedalling paul wrote:
The overarching question which no-one has the guts to answer here, is for how few years would a dualled A1237 "relieve congestion" before its very presence encourages so many extra car journeys that it becomes as bunged up as the existing road.

No answers yet.......dare anyone make a prediction?
Forever.

If it was as bunged up as the existing road, it would be carrying twice the number of cars. That's double the number of cars traveling around York rather than through it, thus relieving congestion in the city.

Unless you make the malicious assumption that every extra car on a dualled A1237 is just induced traffic, then the extra capacity will by definition relieve congestion elsewhere.

The more bunged up the ring road gets, the more it does it's job of relieving congestion in the city.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The overarching question which no-one has the guts to answer here, is for how few years would a dualled A1237 "relieve congestion" before its very presence encourages so many extra car journeys that it becomes as bunged up as the existing road. No answers yet.......dare anyone make a prediction?[/p][/quote]Forever. If it was as bunged up as the existing road, it would be carrying twice the number of cars. That's double the number of cars traveling around York rather than through it, thus relieving congestion in the city. Unless you make the malicious assumption that every extra car on a dualled A1237 is just induced traffic, then the extra capacity will by definition relieve congestion elsewhere. The more bunged up the ring road gets, the more it does it's job of relieving congestion in the city. JasBro
  • Score: 6

11:44am Tue 1 Apr 14

Ichabod76 says...

pedalling paul says...

A bit like the pantry in PP Towers. When we moved in, Mrs PP wanted some new shelves, so I fitted some. She quickly filled then up and wanted more. So I fitted some more. Now there's no space left for more shelves. Suggestions please....!!

you could try what normal people do and actually eat some of the food in your pantry then maybe you wouldn't be experiencing food gridlock !
Did you explain to Mrs PP that by moving to a new house that she shouldn't expect a cupboard users paradise !
maybe as a self proclaimed shelf expert your just not as forward thinking as the professional kitchen fitters who look at long term food storage, or maybe you should make a lifestyle choice and move next door to a shop then you wouldn't need shelves at all !
pedalling paul says... A bit like the pantry in PP Towers. When we moved in, Mrs PP wanted some new shelves, so I fitted some. She quickly filled then up and wanted more. So I fitted some more. Now there's no space left for more shelves. Suggestions please....!! you could try what normal people do and actually eat some of the food in your pantry then maybe you wouldn't be experiencing food gridlock ! Did you explain to Mrs PP that by moving to a new house that she shouldn't expect a cupboard users paradise ! maybe as a self proclaimed shelf expert your just not as forward thinking as the professional kitchen fitters who look at long term food storage, or maybe you should make a lifestyle choice and move next door to a shop then you wouldn't need shelves at all ! Ichabod76
  • Score: -53

3:18pm Tue 1 Apr 14

meme says...

Possibly if we got complete meltdown people would use other ways to travel so complete meltdown would be a good idea!
Possibly if we got complete meltdown people would use other ways to travel so complete meltdown would be a good idea! meme
  • Score: -42

4:26pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Igiveinthen says...

Ichabod76 wrote:
pedalling paul says...

A bit like the pantry in PP Towers. When we moved in, Mrs PP wanted some new shelves, so I fitted some. She quickly filled then up and wanted more. So I fitted some more. Now there's no space left for more shelves. Suggestions please....!!

you could try what normal people do and actually eat some of the food in your pantry then maybe you wouldn't be experiencing food gridlock !
Did you explain to Mrs PP that by moving to a new house that she shouldn't expect a cupboard users paradise !
maybe as a self proclaimed shelf expert your just not as forward thinking as the professional kitchen fitters who look at long term food storage, or maybe you should make a lifestyle choice and move next door to a shop then you wouldn't need shelves at all !
Oh that's magic, can't stop laughing, sterling mate just sterling!
[quote][p][bold]Ichabod76[/bold] wrote: pedalling paul says... A bit like the pantry in PP Towers. When we moved in, Mrs PP wanted some new shelves, so I fitted some. She quickly filled then up and wanted more. So I fitted some more. Now there's no space left for more shelves. Suggestions please....!! you could try what normal people do and actually eat some of the food in your pantry then maybe you wouldn't be experiencing food gridlock ! Did you explain to Mrs PP that by moving to a new house that she shouldn't expect a cupboard users paradise ! maybe as a self proclaimed shelf expert your just not as forward thinking as the professional kitchen fitters who look at long term food storage, or maybe you should make a lifestyle choice and move next door to a shop then you wouldn't need shelves at all ![/p][/quote]Oh that's magic, can't stop laughing, sterling mate just sterling! Igiveinthen
  • Score: -5

10:16am Wed 2 Apr 14

YorkPatrol says...

pedalling paul wrote:
The A1237 roundabouts are the pinch points, rather than the single carriageway. That's what COYC inherited from the Highways Agency when the road was detrunked, and from the orignal design by North Yorks County Council. Some work on roundabout capacity is being done, but the road presents significant severance for non-motorised user who wish to safely cross it. Again some work has been done to redress this but we are far from an ideal situation at present. The overarching question which no-one has the guts to answer here, is for how few years would a dualled A1237 "relieve congestion" before its very presence encourages so many extra car journeys that it becomes as bunged up as the existing road. A bit like the pantry in PP Towers. When we moved in, Mrs PP wanted some new shelves, so I fitted some. She quickly filled then up and wanted more. So I fitted some more. Now there's no space left for more shelves. Suggestions please....!!
What...... you are actually married????
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The A1237 roundabouts are the pinch points, rather than the single carriageway. That's what COYC inherited from the Highways Agency when the road was detrunked, and from the orignal design by North Yorks County Council. Some work on roundabout capacity is being done, but the road presents significant severance for non-motorised user who wish to safely cross it. Again some work has been done to redress this but we are far from an ideal situation at present. The overarching question which no-one has the guts to answer here, is for how few years would a dualled A1237 "relieve congestion" before its very presence encourages so many extra car journeys that it becomes as bunged up as the existing road. A bit like the pantry in PP Towers. When we moved in, Mrs PP wanted some new shelves, so I fitted some. She quickly filled then up and wanted more. So I fitted some more. Now there's no space left for more shelves. Suggestions please....!![/p][/quote]What...... you are actually married???? YorkPatrol
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11:51pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Thunderblade says...

pedalling paul wrote:
The A1237 roundabouts are the pinch points, rather than the single carriageway. That's what COYC inherited from the Highways Agency when the road was detrunked, and from the orignal design by North Yorks County Council.
Some work on roundabout capacity is being done, but the road presents significant severance for non-motorised user who wish to safely cross it. Again some work has been done to redress this but we are far from an ideal situation at present.
The overarching question which no-one has the guts to answer here, is for how few years would a dualled A1237 "relieve congestion" before its very presence encourages so many extra car journeys that it becomes as bunged up as the existing road.
A bit like the pantry in PP Towers. When we moved in, Mrs PP wanted some new shelves, so I fitted some. She quickly filled then up and wanted more. So I fitted some more. Now there's no space left for more shelves. Suggestions please....!!
Build a Bypass, Sorry I meant extension
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The A1237 roundabouts are the pinch points, rather than the single carriageway. That's what COYC inherited from the Highways Agency when the road was detrunked, and from the orignal design by North Yorks County Council. Some work on roundabout capacity is being done, but the road presents significant severance for non-motorised user who wish to safely cross it. Again some work has been done to redress this but we are far from an ideal situation at present. The overarching question which no-one has the guts to answer here, is for how few years would a dualled A1237 "relieve congestion" before its very presence encourages so many extra car journeys that it becomes as bunged up as the existing road. A bit like the pantry in PP Towers. When we moved in, Mrs PP wanted some new shelves, so I fitted some. She quickly filled then up and wanted more. So I fitted some more. Now there's no space left for more shelves. Suggestions please....!![/p][/quote]Build a Bypass, Sorry I meant extension Thunderblade
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4:05am Thu 3 Apr 14

Magicman! says...

It could also provide another £20 million for a long-awaited new bus station interchange to be built behind the railway station

BEHIND the railway station?? how about NEXT to the railway station - demolishing the pointless Queen Street bridge and a couple of warehouses to have a bus station in that corner, improving the roadspace in front of the train station at the same time to remove most of the traffic from Tea Room Square...?

I did a doodle of how it could look. Reverse the traffic flow around Tea Room Square, and vehicles then go through the Portico area - the innermost lane closest to the doors becomes the pick-up area and the outermost lane is used for passing traffic as well as being the drop-off point - traffic exiting the Portico then gves way to taxi's emerging from a new 'reverse S' shaped taxi rank occupying the roadspace that was formerly the bus stops and the citybound traffic lane, taxi's and vehicles from the Portico area then approach the main road at a roundabout junction; the roundabout would have a seperate arm to the left (looking from above) of the exit for vehicles and taxi's exiting the station which would be both for buses and for car park access (car park access would then diverge off to the right after leaving the roundabout, vehicles exiting the car park would give way to buses). The small side road beside Queen Street which currently goes to a WMC would then become one way and be used for buses from the Acomb/Bishy Road area to get into the bus station (local vehicle access maintained, exiting vehicles go on a small route which goes one side of the bus station area) whilst the main road would follow a curve similar to existing alignment but slightly closer to the city walls as the bridge would no longer restrict the line of the road since it has gone - the main road would then approach the roundabout mentioned earlier (buses from the city entering the bus station would go on to the roundabout and be able to access the bus station without having to wait for citybound traffic from Queen Street). The lane which is currently the line of bus stop bays for outbound buses would then become the outbound vehicle lane, the current outbound vehicle lane would then become the citybound vehicle lane... the space between that and the front wall of the station Portico then becomes the 'reverse S' shaped taxi rank and any 'blank' spaces then becomes either seting areas or cycle parking.
.... that's my idea anyway.


To have a bus station behind the train station would involve (a) buses access it via Marble Arch Tunnel, and (b) having to make at least one full loop of the Lendal Gyratory on routes such as the 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 13A, 16A, 24, 26, 840, 843, 844, 845, X40, X43, X45.....
... Access through the tunnel is of restricted height, double decker buses cannot pass through. So to get buses to any bus station behind the rail station would require Leeman Road to have the road road level lowered by roughly 8ft which, along with associated drainage work and cost of diversions let alone the costs of the lowering process itself, seems economically unviable compared to demolishing Queen Street bridge and building a bus station there.

He also said that in the long term, the move could pave the way for passengers to enjoy cheaper fares between York and cities in West Yorkshire such as Leeds.

The only way that will happen is if the West Yorkshire PTE, Metro, extends its influence to York. I'd welcome that, as they have far more clout over Firstgroup's bus services than York council has!
[quote] It could also provide another £20 million for a long-awaited new bus station interchange to be built behind the railway station[/quote] BEHIND the railway station?? how about NEXT to the railway station - demolishing the pointless Queen Street bridge and a couple of warehouses to have a bus station in that corner, improving the roadspace in front of the train station at the same time to remove most of the traffic from Tea Room Square...? I did a doodle of how it could look. Reverse the traffic flow around Tea Room Square, and vehicles then go through the Portico area - the innermost lane closest to the doors becomes the pick-up area and the outermost lane is used for passing traffic as well as being the drop-off point - traffic exiting the Portico then gves way to taxi's emerging from a new 'reverse S' shaped taxi rank occupying the roadspace that was formerly the bus stops and the citybound traffic lane, taxi's and vehicles from the Portico area then approach the main road at a roundabout junction; the roundabout would have a seperate arm to the left (looking from above) of the exit for vehicles and taxi's exiting the station which would be both for buses and for car park access (car park access would then diverge off to the right after leaving the roundabout, vehicles exiting the car park would give way to buses). The small side road beside Queen Street which currently goes to a WMC would then become one way and be used for buses from the Acomb/Bishy Road area to get into the bus station (local vehicle access maintained, exiting vehicles go on a small route which goes one side of the bus station area) whilst the main road would follow a curve similar to existing alignment but slightly closer to the city walls as the bridge would no longer restrict the line of the road since it has gone - the main road would then approach the roundabout mentioned earlier (buses from the city entering the bus station would go on to the roundabout and be able to access the bus station without having to wait for citybound traffic from Queen Street). The lane which is currently the line of bus stop bays for outbound buses would then become the outbound vehicle lane, the current outbound vehicle lane would then become the citybound vehicle lane... the space between that and the front wall of the station Portico then becomes the 'reverse S' shaped taxi rank and any 'blank' spaces then becomes either seting areas or cycle parking. .... that's my idea anyway. To have a bus station behind the train station would involve (a) buses access it via Marble Arch Tunnel, and (b) having to make at least one full loop of the Lendal Gyratory on routes such as the 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 13A, 16A, 24, 26, 840, 843, 844, 845, X40, X43, X45..... ... Access through the tunnel is of restricted height, double decker buses cannot pass through. So to get buses to any bus station behind the rail station would require Leeman Road to have the road road level lowered by roughly 8ft which, along with associated drainage work and cost of diversions let alone the costs of the lowering process itself, seems economically unviable compared to demolishing Queen Street bridge and building a bus station there. [quote]He also said that in the long term, the move could pave the way for passengers to enjoy cheaper fares between York and cities in West Yorkshire such as Leeds. [/quote] The only way that will happen is if the West Yorkshire PTE, Metro, extends its influence to York. I'd welcome that, as they have far more clout over Firstgroup's bus services than York council has! Magicman!
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5:15pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Cheeky face says...

Paul,
You could try the library. They have plenty of books on shelves.

Gwen,
Well done. I agree with most of your comments.



All.
Joining West Yorkshire MUST be AFTER consultation with those who actually provide the money. Every town/city has separate and unique concerns. Will York have enough "clout" in the proposed authority.
Paul, You could try the library. They have plenty of books on shelves. Gwen, Well done. I agree with most of your comments. All. Joining West Yorkshire MUST be AFTER consultation with those who actually provide the money. Every town/city has separate and unique concerns. Will York have enough "clout" in the proposed authority. Cheeky face
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12:39pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Ichabod76 says...

Cheeky face says...

Will York have enough "clout" in the proposed authority.

No we don't even get a vote !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheeky face says... Will York have enough "clout" in the proposed authority. No we don't even get a vote !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ichabod76
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