Council blocked from holding more events on Monk Stray

Monk Stray

Monk Stray

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A SPECTATOR hub for Tour de France crowds will be set up on a York stray - but council chiefs have been blocked from holding any other events there.

City of York Council wanted permission to use Monk Stray, in Heworth Without, for "family events" on up to 14 days a year, leading to local residents claiming the authority was using the opening stages of the world-famous cycle race as a "Trojan horse" for more festivals.

Almost 300 letters calling for the plans to be dropped or amended were lodged with the council, whose own licensing panel yesterday said the Tour hub can go ahead on July 6 but refused to grant a licence for anything else.

Opponents said the council's application could mean the stray staging events almost every weekend during the summer, disrupting their lives through noise, traffic, drinking, anti-social behaviour and parking problems.

The panel said alcohol can be sold until 8pm on July 6 - the day the Tour's Grand Depart comes to York - rather than 11pm as the council wanted, and litter must be cleared not just from the stray but also nearby streets afterwards. Its members - Couns Ian Gillies, Neil McIlveen and Tony Richardson - were applauded by dozens of residents following the decision.

Gill Cooper, the council's head of culture and tourism, said there were currently no firm plans for events on the stray other than the spectator hub, but applying for a permanent licence would save money if any were held in the future. Proposals for "late-night refreshment" to be served until 5am were withdrawn before the meeting.

"A permanent licence would bring Monk Stray into line with other open spaces in York, and its use would be for family events and during big events in the city," she said.

"West Bank Park, Hull Road Park, Tower Gardens, Rowntree Park and Rawcliffe Country Park all have residential areas close by and, where we have 14-day licences for these open spaces, we don't use them to that level."

Heworth Without councillor Nigel Ayre said there was "a calamitous failure" to consult residents properly, saying: "We spend a lot of time talking about the Tour de France, but this application isn't about the Tour, it's about a licence for other events for up to 10,000 people in a residential area where access is limited and parking is non-existent."

York Outer MP Julian Sturdy said: "A permanent licence may suit the council's agenda, but it completely ignores the local community, and the impression given by the way the council has conducted proceedings is that this is a Trojan horse for further events."

David Mothersdale, who lives near the stray, claimed at the meeting that the council was "using a great event like the Tour de France to obtain a licence by stealth."

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10:26am Wed 26 Mar 14

Fat Harry says...

Poor decision and a victory for inward-looking nimbyism.

I sometimes wonder why people choose to live in a city, then complain that it's full of people and that events take place.

I think I'll move to Tadcaster Road and launch a campaign against anyone having fun on Knavesmire.
Poor decision and a victory for inward-looking nimbyism. I sometimes wonder why people choose to live in a city, then complain that it's full of people and that events take place. I think I'll move to Tadcaster Road and launch a campaign against anyone having fun on Knavesmire. Fat Harry
  • Score: -4

10:35am Wed 26 Mar 14

3.8liter says...

I don't live anywhere near the area, but I think this decision is spot-on. Local residents were not even informed, the Council just thought it could go ahead regardless. Congratulation to those involved in kicking their ****s.
I don't live anywhere near the area, but I think this decision is spot-on. Local residents were not even informed, the Council just thought it could go ahead regardless. Congratulation to those involved in kicking their ****s. 3.8liter
  • Score: -3

10:51am Wed 26 Mar 14

BL2 says...

Fat Harry wrote:
Poor decision and a victory for inward-looking nimbyism.

I sometimes wonder why people choose to live in a city, then complain that it's full of people and that events take place.

I think I'll move to Tadcaster Road and launch a campaign against anyone having fun on Knavesmire.
Totally different case if you actually knew anything about either area!
[quote][p][bold]Fat Harry[/bold] wrote: Poor decision and a victory for inward-looking nimbyism. I sometimes wonder why people choose to live in a city, then complain that it's full of people and that events take place. I think I'll move to Tadcaster Road and launch a campaign against anyone having fun on Knavesmire.[/p][/quote]Totally different case if you actually knew anything about either area! BL2
  • Score: -9

11:00am Wed 26 Mar 14

The Great Buda says...

Fat Harry wrote:
Poor decision and a victory for inward-looking nimbyism.

I sometimes wonder why people choose to live in a city, then complain that it's full of people and that events take place.

I think I'll move to Tadcaster Road and launch a campaign against anyone having fun on Knavesmire.
Well said.

York is full of boring inward looking people. No wonder its being left behind by the likes of Leeds, Sheffield and even Doncaster.
[quote][p][bold]Fat Harry[/bold] wrote: Poor decision and a victory for inward-looking nimbyism. I sometimes wonder why people choose to live in a city, then complain that it's full of people and that events take place. I think I'll move to Tadcaster Road and launch a campaign against anyone having fun on Knavesmire.[/p][/quote]Well said. York is full of boring inward looking people. No wonder its being left behind by the likes of Leeds, Sheffield and even Doncaster. The Great Buda
  • Score: 4

11:44am Wed 26 Mar 14

strangebuttrue? says...

The Great Buda wrote:
Fat Harry wrote:
Poor decision and a victory for inward-looking nimbyism.

I sometimes wonder why people choose to live in a city, then complain that it's full of people and that events take place.

I think I'll move to Tadcaster Road and launch a campaign against anyone having fun on Knavesmire.
Well said.

York is full of boring inward looking people. No wonder its being left behind by the likes of Leeds, Sheffield and even Doncaster.
No that will be because it is easier to drive to Leeds, Sheffield or Doncaster than it is to drive anywhere in York.
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fat Harry[/bold] wrote: Poor decision and a victory for inward-looking nimbyism. I sometimes wonder why people choose to live in a city, then complain that it's full of people and that events take place. I think I'll move to Tadcaster Road and launch a campaign against anyone having fun on Knavesmire.[/p][/quote]Well said. York is full of boring inward looking people. No wonder its being left behind by the likes of Leeds, Sheffield and even Doncaster.[/p][/quote]No that will be because it is easier to drive to Leeds, Sheffield or Doncaster than it is to drive anywhere in York. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: 1

11:51am Wed 26 Mar 14

skelo! says...

As a nearby resident i was very much looking forward to the prospect of drinking beer in a tent a stones throw from my house surrounded by foreign and interesting revelers. Why are these grinch like people hell bent on ruining what is a potentially one off opportunity to show off this fine city and no doubt make a few pennies along the way! I hope the council appeals this decision.
As a nearby resident i was very much looking forward to the prospect of drinking beer in a tent a stones throw from my house surrounded by foreign and interesting revelers. Why are these grinch like people hell bent on ruining what is a potentially one off opportunity to show off this fine city and no doubt make a few pennies along the way! I hope the council appeals this decision. skelo!
  • Score: -33

12:03pm Wed 26 Mar 14

York Fawr says...

At the Licensing Hearing, the panel spent two and a quarter hours listening to the arguments put forward by both sides. Amongst other things they considered were traffic safety and questions of access; parking implications; the dangers of selling alcohol in an area which could not be safely supervised; adaptations required by the police to the original application in order to ensure public safety and the prevention of crime and disorder; points made concerning the legality of consultation; Council officials attempting to justify the possible use of the stray for large-scale events during every weekend in the summer by saying there were no present plans but upon closer questioning admiting events were being 'considered'; 286 written submissions plus speeches made by two Ward Councillors, the local Member of Parliament , the Licensing Officer, their legal advisor and a number of interested parties. The panel retired and spent about a further hour considering all the relevant information they had been given. They then reached their decision based solely upon the facts. This Fat Harry is what is called democracy and legal process.
At the Licensing Hearing, the panel spent two and a quarter hours listening to the arguments put forward by both sides. Amongst other things they considered were traffic safety and questions of access; parking implications; the dangers of selling alcohol in an area which could not be safely supervised; adaptations required by the police to the original application in order to ensure public safety and the prevention of crime and disorder; points made concerning the legality of consultation; Council officials attempting to justify the possible use of the stray for large-scale events during every weekend in the summer by saying there were no present plans but upon closer questioning admiting events were being 'considered'; 286 written submissions plus speeches made by two Ward Councillors, the local Member of Parliament , the Licensing Officer, their legal advisor and a number of interested parties. The panel retired and spent about a further hour considering all the relevant information they had been given. They then reached their decision based solely upon the facts. This Fat Harry is what is called democracy and legal process. York Fawr
  • Score: 5

12:38pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Firedrake says...

Why the polarization? It doesn't have to be an "either/or" issue. I'm glad that this particular event is going ahead on the Stray, but I'm also glad that the extended licence (this was always the real issue) has been turned down. Let each case be judged on its own merits etc.
Why the polarization? It doesn't have to be an "either/or" issue. I'm glad that this particular event is going ahead on the Stray, but I'm also glad that the extended licence (this was always the real issue) has been turned down. Let each case be judged on its own merits etc. Firedrake
  • Score: -6

1:02pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Micklegate says...

It's an unthinkably rare occasion that a York council committee doesn't have a Labour majority.

It's an unthinkably rare occasion that a York council committee listens to the concerns of residents

What an amazing coincidence that we have both here together.
It's an unthinkably rare occasion that a York council committee doesn't have a Labour majority. It's an unthinkably rare occasion that a York council committee listens to the concerns of residents What an amazing coincidence that we have both here together. Micklegate
  • Score: 12

2:12pm Wed 26 Mar 14

york_chap says...

The Great Buda wrote:
Fat Harry wrote: Poor decision and a victory for inward-looking nimbyism. I sometimes wonder why people choose to live in a city, then complain that it's full of people and that events take place. I think I'll move to Tadcaster Road and launch a campaign against anyone having fun on Knavesmire.
Well said. York is full of boring inward looking people. No wonder its being left behind by the likes of Leeds, Sheffield and even Doncaster.
Instead of moving to Tadcaster Road as you suggest - maybe you should move to Leeds, Sheffield or Doncaster so you can live amongst all the exciting people there.

Most people who choose to live in York do so precisely because it's NOT like Leeds, Doncaster or Sheffield - one of the reasons property here is far more expensive than in its gritty, ex-indsutrial neighbours.
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fat Harry[/bold] wrote: Poor decision and a victory for inward-looking nimbyism. I sometimes wonder why people choose to live in a city, then complain that it's full of people and that events take place. I think I'll move to Tadcaster Road and launch a campaign against anyone having fun on Knavesmire.[/p][/quote]Well said. York is full of boring inward looking people. No wonder its being left behind by the likes of Leeds, Sheffield and even Doncaster.[/p][/quote]Instead of moving to Tadcaster Road as you suggest - maybe you should move to Leeds, Sheffield or Doncaster so you can live amongst all the exciting people there. Most people who choose to live in York do so precisely because it's NOT like Leeds, Doncaster or Sheffield - one of the reasons property here is far more expensive than in its gritty, ex-indsutrial neighbours. york_chap
  • Score: 14

2:30pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Warren Z says...

york_chap wrote:
The Great Buda wrote:
Fat Harry wrote: Poor decision and a victory for inward-looking nimbyism. I sometimes wonder why people choose to live in a city, then complain that it's full of people and that events take place. I think I'll move to Tadcaster Road and launch a campaign against anyone having fun on Knavesmire.
Well said. York is full of boring inward looking people. No wonder its being left behind by the likes of Leeds, Sheffield and even Doncaster.
Instead of moving to Tadcaster Road as you suggest - maybe you should move to Leeds, Sheffield or Doncaster so you can live amongst all the exciting people there.

Most people who choose to live in York do so precisely because it's NOT like Leeds, Doncaster or Sheffield - one of the reasons property here is far more expensive than in its gritty, ex-indsutrial neighbours.
You move to Tadcaster Road,£500k for a decent house.Better to move to Doncaster £10 for a house.
[quote][p][bold]york_chap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fat Harry[/bold] wrote: Poor decision and a victory for inward-looking nimbyism. I sometimes wonder why people choose to live in a city, then complain that it's full of people and that events take place. I think I'll move to Tadcaster Road and launch a campaign against anyone having fun on Knavesmire.[/p][/quote]Well said. York is full of boring inward looking people. No wonder its being left behind by the likes of Leeds, Sheffield and even Doncaster.[/p][/quote]Instead of moving to Tadcaster Road as you suggest - maybe you should move to Leeds, Sheffield or Doncaster so you can live amongst all the exciting people there. Most people who choose to live in York do so precisely because it's NOT like Leeds, Doncaster or Sheffield - one of the reasons property here is far more expensive than in its gritty, ex-indsutrial neighbours.[/p][/quote]You move to Tadcaster Road,£500k for a decent house.Better to move to Doncaster £10 for a house. Warren Z
  • Score: -26

3:27pm Wed 26 Mar 14

eboracum says...

Great Result! - My cattle are disappointed though - They were looking forward to a fortnights holiday on the stray every year.
Great Result! - My cattle are disappointed though - They were looking forward to a fortnights holiday on the stray every year. eboracum
  • Score: -14

4:02pm Wed 26 Mar 14

HeworthM says...

I suggest that the outcome is an event which if the council had looked to organise from the outset, communicated (more) clearly than they did, and applied for a license for, would have had the support (or at least not the objection) of a significant number of those who made representations?
As a resident of Heworth Ward, I would like to thank Nigel Ayres - one of the Councillors for Heworth Without - for his communications on this matter. Unfortunately, the councillors of Heworth ward which also borders onto Monk Stray, did not make contact with their constituents regarding this matter.
(I am not a member of any political party of any colour, and this is not a political statement, but a personal note regarding the actions of Mr Ayres as an individual).
I suggest that the outcome is an event which if the council had looked to organise from the outset, communicated (more) clearly than they did, and applied for a license for, would have had the support (or at least not the objection) of a significant number of those who made representations? As a resident of Heworth Ward, I would like to thank Nigel Ayres - one of the Councillors for Heworth Without - for his communications on this matter. Unfortunately, the councillors of Heworth ward which also borders onto Monk Stray, did not make contact with their constituents regarding this matter. (I am not a member of any political party of any colour, and this is not a political statement, but a personal note regarding the actions of Mr Ayres as an individual). HeworthM
  • Score: -2

5:03pm Wed 26 Mar 14

meme says...

seems like a fair compromise and then CoYC can apply if anything else comes along for a one of licence on a one off basis
Perhaps they have learnt a lesson on the etiquette of communicating through this issue............ so its not all bad!
seems like a fair compromise and then CoYC can apply if anything else comes along for a one of licence on a one off basis Perhaps they have learnt a lesson on the etiquette of communicating through this issue............ so its not all bad! meme
  • Score: 5

5:14pm Wed 26 Mar 14

dementia says...

Sort of reflects the lack of trust in York Council
Sort of reflects the lack of trust in York Council dementia
  • Score: 9

5:22pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Lance Corporal Jones says...

"They Don't Like It Up Em"
"They Don't Like It Up Em" Lance Corporal Jones
  • Score: 0

6:41pm Wed 26 Mar 14

eeoodares says...

strangebuttrue? wrote:
The Great Buda wrote:
Fat Harry wrote:
Poor decision and a victory for inward-looking nimbyism.

I sometimes wonder why people choose to live in a city, then complain that it's full of people and that events take place.

I think I'll move to Tadcaster Road and launch a campaign against anyone having fun on Knavesmire.
Well said.

York is full of boring inward looking people. No wonder its being left behind by the likes of Leeds, Sheffield and even Doncaster.
No that will be because it is easier to drive to Leeds, Sheffield or Doncaster than it is to drive anywhere in York.
Easy answer...move to Doncaster, it's cheaper than York and it's sounds like you would fit right in. After all Doncaster is a world renown destination and often tops polls in places people would like to live! .... Oh hang on, that's York...
[quote][p][bold]strangebuttrue?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fat Harry[/bold] wrote: Poor decision and a victory for inward-looking nimbyism. I sometimes wonder why people choose to live in a city, then complain that it's full of people and that events take place. I think I'll move to Tadcaster Road and launch a campaign against anyone having fun on Knavesmire.[/p][/quote]Well said. York is full of boring inward looking people. No wonder its being left behind by the likes of Leeds, Sheffield and even Doncaster.[/p][/quote]No that will be because it is easier to drive to Leeds, Sheffield or Doncaster than it is to drive anywhere in York.[/p][/quote]Easy answer...move to Doncaster, it's cheaper than York and it's sounds like you would fit right in. After all Doncaster is a world renown destination and often tops polls in places people would like to live! .... Oh hang on, that's York... eeoodares
  • Score: 38

7:06pm Wed 26 Mar 14

stephen123 says...

The Council's approach that Monk Stray needs to fall in line with the other Strays they manage is flawed. Each stray has its own special features and has a different impact on the surrounding community. Therefore it is ridiculous to expect one cap to fit all.

I am pleased that common sense and democracy have ensured a fair outcome has been agreed by the Council's Licencing Panel. This is a win win for for all parties as the Council have the licence to hold the events for the Tour de France, and the residents will not have to contend with the possibility that these types of events could be staged almost every weekend during the summer every year. I just wish that with proper consultation a lot of the argument that has taken place could have been avoided.
The Council's approach that Monk Stray needs to fall in line with the other Strays they manage is flawed. Each stray has its own special features and has a different impact on the surrounding community. Therefore it is ridiculous to expect one cap to fit all. I am pleased that common sense and democracy have ensured a fair outcome has been agreed by the Council's Licencing Panel. This is a win win for for all parties as the Council have the licence to hold the events for the Tour de France, and the residents will not have to contend with the possibility that these types of events could be staged almost every weekend during the summer every year. I just wish that with proper consultation a lot of the argument that has taken place could have been avoided. stephen123
  • Score: -25

9:55pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Igiveinthen says...

Fat Harry wrote:
Poor decision and a victory for inward-looking nimbyism.

I sometimes wonder why people choose to live in a city, then complain that it's full of people and that events take place.

I think I'll move to Tadcaster Road and launch a campaign against anyone having fun on Knavesmire.
Good at least you'll be away from Heworth Stray, this shows what this council are like - underhand, untrustworthy, unethical and completely lacking in the understanding of the wants of the local community.
[quote][p][bold]Fat Harry[/bold] wrote: Poor decision and a victory for inward-looking nimbyism. I sometimes wonder why people choose to live in a city, then complain that it's full of people and that events take place. I think I'll move to Tadcaster Road and launch a campaign against anyone having fun on Knavesmire.[/p][/quote]Good at least you'll be away from Heworth Stray, this shows what this council are like - underhand, untrustworthy, unethical and completely lacking in the understanding of the wants of the local community. Igiveinthen
  • Score: -38

10:01pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Igiveinthen says...

The Great Buda wrote:
Fat Harry wrote:
Poor decision and a victory for inward-looking nimbyism.

I sometimes wonder why people choose to live in a city, then complain that it's full of people and that events take place.

I think I'll move to Tadcaster Road and launch a campaign against anyone having fun on Knavesmire.
Well said.

York is full of boring inward looking people. No wonder its being left behind by the likes of Leeds, Sheffield and even Doncaster.
I rather like living in a city that's lagging behind the likes of those you think are better, you could always move to one of them, I was in Sheffield on Monday of this week assessing some work, no comment!
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fat Harry[/bold] wrote: Poor decision and a victory for inward-looking nimbyism. I sometimes wonder why people choose to live in a city, then complain that it's full of people and that events take place. I think I'll move to Tadcaster Road and launch a campaign against anyone having fun on Knavesmire.[/p][/quote]Well said. York is full of boring inward looking people. No wonder its being left behind by the likes of Leeds, Sheffield and even Doncaster.[/p][/quote]I rather like living in a city that's lagging behind the likes of those you think are better, you could always move to one of them, I was in Sheffield on Monday of this week assessing some work, no comment! Igiveinthen
  • Score: -19

12:12pm Thu 27 Mar 14

carpon says...

stephen123 wrote:
The Council's approach that Monk Stray needs to fall in line with the other Strays they manage is flawed. Each stray has its own special features and has a different impact on the surrounding community. Therefore it is ridiculous to expect one cap to fit all.

I am pleased that common sense and democracy have ensured a fair outcome has been agreed by the Council's Licencing Panel. This is a win win for for all parties as the Council have the licence to hold the events for the Tour de France, and the residents will not have to contend with the possibility that these types of events could be staged almost every weekend during the summer every year. I just wish that with proper consultation a lot of the argument that has taken place could have been avoided.
I totally agree with you Stephen123, but wish to add the following rant!
I cannot believe some of the previous comments.
York WAS an industrial and Engineering City same as Leeds, Sheffield and Doncaster. How many of you that have commented were actually born in York and have family that have lived here for generations?
Read up on your history if you don’t know before you start disrespecting York and Yorkshire. Yorkshire was the industrial backbone that historically changed the world, as we know it.
[quote][p][bold]stephen123[/bold] wrote: The Council's approach that Monk Stray needs to fall in line with the other Strays they manage is flawed. Each stray has its own special features and has a different impact on the surrounding community. Therefore it is ridiculous to expect one cap to fit all. I am pleased that common sense and democracy have ensured a fair outcome has been agreed by the Council's Licencing Panel. This is a win win for for all parties as the Council have the licence to hold the events for the Tour de France, and the residents will not have to contend with the possibility that these types of events could be staged almost every weekend during the summer every year. I just wish that with proper consultation a lot of the argument that has taken place could have been avoided.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you Stephen123, but wish to add the following rant! I cannot believe some of the previous comments. York WAS an industrial and Engineering City same as Leeds, Sheffield and Doncaster. How many of you that have commented were actually born in York and have family that have lived here for generations? Read up on your history if you don’t know before you start disrespecting York and Yorkshire. Yorkshire was the industrial backbone that historically changed the world, as we know it. carpon
  • Score: 1

6:00pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Stray Kat says...

Completely agree with HeworthM. This isn't about NIMBYism; it's about a point of principle. If the Council had liaised with the residents in the first place there may have been a workable solution. By going ahead regardless they were only ever going to get the residents' backs up.
Completely agree with HeworthM. This isn't about NIMBYism; it's about a point of principle. If the Council had liaised with the residents in the first place there may have been a workable solution. By going ahead regardless they were only ever going to get the residents' backs up. Stray Kat
  • Score: 2

6:29pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Igiveinthen says...

Stray Kat wrote:
Completely agree with HeworthM. This isn't about NIMBYism; it's about a point of principle. If the Council had liaised with the residents in the first place there may have been a workable solution. By going ahead regardless they were only ever going to get the residents' backs up.
But that is what this council do, as others have said if they had involved the residents it might have been a different outcome, however, I believe the council knew that it would be very unpopular, and that's why they decided to play true to form and not involve the local residents, we can't even say lets hope they have learned a lesson, as they will keep on acting in this way come what may.
[quote][p][bold]Stray Kat[/bold] wrote: Completely agree with HeworthM. This isn't about NIMBYism; it's about a point of principle. If the Council had liaised with the residents in the first place there may have been a workable solution. By going ahead regardless they were only ever going to get the residents' backs up.[/p][/quote]But that is what this council do, as others have said if they had involved the residents it might have been a different outcome, however, I believe the council knew that it would be very unpopular, and that's why they decided to play true to form and not involve the local residents, we can't even say lets hope they have learned a lesson, as they will keep on acting in this way come what may. Igiveinthen
  • Score: 4

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