Lendal Bridge fines could have sent motorists to Northampton - councillor

Lendal Bridge fines could have sent motorists to Northampton - councillor

Lendal Bridge fines could have sent motorists to Northampton - councillor

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THE wording on fines issued to motorists for crossing Lendal Bridge has been changed after a councillor claimed it might make people think they should drive to Northampton to pay up.

City of York Council has admitted that the original wording on its penalty change notices (PCN) could be misinterpreted and cancelled a fine issued to an Osbaldwick woman, on whose behalf Coun Mark Warters had intervened.

The Osbaldwick councillor said the PCN was headed 'City of York Council' but with a postal address in Northampton, where the council uses a processing centre for PCNs. It then suggested people could ‘pay on line using the self-service kiosks in the council offices.'

He said: "Which council office? There is no mention of the CYC offices in York on this communication - are York residents expected to travel to Northampton to use these kiosks?”

Coun Warters suggested that all motorists fined for crossing Lendal Bridge could challenge their PCNs over the same issue.

A council spokeswoman said the wording was changed from "pay online using the self-service kiosks in the council offices" to “pay online using the self-service kiosks in the City of York Council Offices" following Coun Warters’ assertion that people could misinterpret their location as being in Northampton rather than at West Offices, York.

"No mention of this 'misunderstanding' has ever been made to any member of staff either here or in Northampton," she said. "In no way do the changes made affect the enforceability of any PCN."

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9:08am Wed 26 Mar 14

nearlyman says...

This is why we pay these 'quality' employees at the council such extravagant salaries. Do they get anything right........it must be like the mad hatters tea party in those brightly lit corridoors !!
This is why we pay these 'quality' employees at the council such extravagant salaries. Do they get anything right........it must be like the mad hatters tea party in those brightly lit corridoors !! nearlyman
  • Score: -52

9:20am Wed 26 Mar 14

metsaagain says...

this has nothing to do with the pros- and cons- of the Lendal Bridge issue - it's more to do with the simply stunning stupidity of people. Having sopmehow missed all the signs and still gone over the bridge, this person has now managed to understand a simple piece of text. Even if they were mildly flummoxed a quick phonecall would have clarified things - surely preferable to running whinging to a councillor.

The one thing this whole Lendal Bridge furore has shown (and I should say I am opposed to its closure) is it has shown how people are incapable of reading perfectly clear road signs, are incapable of accepting responsibility for their actions when they get ticketed and their bizarre tendency to want to parade their ignorance and throw their rattle out of the pram in the local press (and that applies to the council too...)
this has nothing to do with the pros- and cons- of the Lendal Bridge issue - it's more to do with the simply stunning stupidity of people. Having sopmehow missed all the signs and still gone over the bridge, this person has now managed to understand a simple piece of text. Even if they were mildly flummoxed a quick phonecall would have clarified things - surely preferable to running whinging to a councillor. The one thing this whole Lendal Bridge furore has shown (and I should say I am opposed to its closure) is it has shown how people are incapable of reading perfectly clear road signs, are incapable of accepting responsibility for their actions when they get ticketed and their bizarre tendency to want to parade their ignorance and throw their rattle out of the pram in the local press (and that applies to the council too...) metsaagain
  • Score: 88

9:31am Wed 26 Mar 14

Dr Brian says...

If Lendal Bridge does reopen what will the Press have to fill their pages?

But one does wonder how many more **** up Jimmy No Mates and his officers have made on this whole fiasco?
If Lendal Bridge does reopen what will the Press have to fill their pages? But one does wonder how many more **** up Jimmy No Mates and his officers have made on this whole fiasco? Dr Brian
  • Score: -65

9:39am Wed 26 Mar 14

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

I honestly don't understand why anyone would pay a PCN?
A PCN is a penalty Charge Notice issued by the council, it is not a fine, only a court can fine you.
All they are is an invitation to pay for crossing a bridge, nothing more, nothing less.
People need to do a bit of research before just blindly paying up or appealing, there are literally hundreds of web sites dealing with similar issues out there, and if enough of us refused to pay then it wouldn't stay closed for long.

Check out http://www.getoutofd
ebtfree.org/ as a good starting point.
I honestly don't understand why anyone would pay a PCN? A PCN is a penalty Charge Notice issued by the council, it is not a fine, only a court can fine you. All they are is an invitation to pay for crossing a bridge, nothing more, nothing less. People need to do a bit of research before just blindly paying up or appealing, there are literally hundreds of web sites dealing with similar issues out there, and if enough of us refused to pay then it wouldn't stay closed for long. Check out http://www.getoutofd ebtfree.org/ as a good starting point. NoNewsIsGoodNews
  • Score: -63

9:52am Wed 26 Mar 14

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

I'd have no problem driving to Northampton to pay my fine... except that, unfortunately, the most direct route is over Lendal Bridge.
I'd have no problem driving to Northampton to pay my fine... except that, unfortunately, the most direct route is over Lendal Bridge. Ignatius Lumpopo
  • Score: -48

12:42pm Wed 26 Mar 14

ouseswimmer says...

PCN's are targeted at the owners of the car which has transgressed not necessarily the culprit of the offence. Always worth fighting. A lot of car parks have these types of cameras yet they only show a car being driven not actually parked. So no evidence of the car being parked for which it is being charged with a PCN.
PCN's are targeted at the owners of the car which has transgressed not necessarily the culprit of the offence. Always worth fighting. A lot of car parks have these types of cameras yet they only show a car being driven not actually parked. So no evidence of the car being parked for which it is being charged with a PCN. ouseswimmer
  • Score: -70

12:51pm Wed 26 Mar 14

HoofHearteds says...

Headline! Stupid motorists ignore signs and drive over Lendal bridge, then shows even more stupidity by sending payment to Northampton because they couldn't also read the fine correctly!

How did they pass their driving test?
Headline! Stupid motorists ignore signs and drive over Lendal bridge, then shows even more stupidity by sending payment to Northampton because they couldn't also read the fine correctly! How did they pass their driving test? HoofHearteds
  • Score: 39

12:52pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Tenuous politicking.
Tenuous politicking. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 0

1:11pm Wed 26 Mar 14

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

ouseswimmer wrote:
PCN's are targeted at the owners of the car which has transgressed not necessarily the culprit of the offence. Always worth fighting. A lot of car parks have these types of cameras yet they only show a car being driven not actually parked. So no evidence of the car being parked for which it is being charged with a PCN.
If you look at any log book you will see that you are not the owner of a car only the registered keeper, if you get a PCN addressed to the owner of said car forward it on to the DVLA.
[quote][p][bold]ouseswimmer[/bold] wrote: PCN's are targeted at the owners of the car which has transgressed not necessarily the culprit of the offence. Always worth fighting. A lot of car parks have these types of cameras yet they only show a car being driven not actually parked. So no evidence of the car being parked for which it is being charged with a PCN.[/p][/quote]If you look at any log book you will see that you are not the owner of a car only the registered keeper, if you get a PCN addressed to the owner of said car forward it on to the DVLA. NoNewsIsGoodNews
  • Score: -24

1:30pm Wed 26 Mar 14

YorkPatrol says...

NoNewsIsGoodNews wrote:
ouseswimmer wrote: PCN's are targeted at the owners of the car which has transgressed not necessarily the culprit of the offence. Always worth fighting. A lot of car parks have these types of cameras yet they only show a car being driven not actually parked. So no evidence of the car being parked for which it is being charged with a PCN.
If you look at any log book you will see that you are not the owner of a car only the registered keeper, if you get a PCN addressed to the owner of said car forward it on to the DVLA.
Are you suggesting the DLVA own all the cars in the country?

Please tell me this was a tongue in cheek joke?
[quote][p][bold]NoNewsIsGoodNews[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ouseswimmer[/bold] wrote: PCN's are targeted at the owners of the car which has transgressed not necessarily the culprit of the offence. Always worth fighting. A lot of car parks have these types of cameras yet they only show a car being driven not actually parked. So no evidence of the car being parked for which it is being charged with a PCN.[/p][/quote]If you look at any log book you will see that you are not the owner of a car only the registered keeper, if you get a PCN addressed to the owner of said car forward it on to the DVLA.[/p][/quote]Are you suggesting the DLVA own all the cars in the country? Please tell me this was a tongue in cheek joke? YorkPatrol
  • Score: -30

1:35pm Wed 26 Mar 14

York2000 says...

Even more clickbait. Readers - You do realise the Press are messing with you to get a reaction. Two or three articles a day.... lots of comments....

If the Press actually cared about this other than wanting traffic to their website, then they would grow a pair and start a campaign to revert back to traffic over the bridge..
Even more clickbait. Readers - You do realise the Press are messing with you to get a reaction. Two or three articles a day.... lots of comments.... If the Press actually cared about this other than wanting traffic to their website, then they would grow a pair and start a campaign to revert back to traffic over the bridge.. York2000
  • Score: -27

2:38pm Wed 26 Mar 14

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

YorkPatrol wrote:
NoNewsIsGoodNews wrote:
ouseswimmer wrote: PCN's are targeted at the owners of the car which has transgressed not necessarily the culprit of the offence. Always worth fighting. A lot of car parks have these types of cameras yet they only show a car being driven not actually parked. So no evidence of the car being parked for which it is being charged with a PCN.
If you look at any log book you will see that you are not the owner of a car only the registered keeper, if you get a PCN addressed to the owner of said car forward it on to the DVLA.
Are you suggesting the DLVA own all the cars in the country?

Please tell me this was a tongue in cheek joke?
No, I am just saying send it to the DVLA as you are only the registered keeper, let them try to ascertain who is the actual owner.
[quote][p][bold]YorkPatrol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NoNewsIsGoodNews[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ouseswimmer[/bold] wrote: PCN's are targeted at the owners of the car which has transgressed not necessarily the culprit of the offence. Always worth fighting. A lot of car parks have these types of cameras yet they only show a car being driven not actually parked. So no evidence of the car being parked for which it is being charged with a PCN.[/p][/quote]If you look at any log book you will see that you are not the owner of a car only the registered keeper, if you get a PCN addressed to the owner of said car forward it on to the DVLA.[/p][/quote]Are you suggesting the DLVA own all the cars in the country? Please tell me this was a tongue in cheek joke?[/p][/quote]No, I am just saying send it to the DVLA as you are only the registered keeper, let them try to ascertain who is the actual owner. NoNewsIsGoodNews
  • Score: -26

3:27pm Wed 26 Mar 14

the original Homer says...

So, people might be daft enough to think they should go to Northampton, and the Council seems to agree it was ambiguous, as they have now changed the wording.

I find both those things difficult to digest, but indulging them for a minute, how does the wording change help?

Those same people who thought they should go to Northampton will still go there - the only change is they will wander round Northampton looking for the "City of York Council Offices".
So, people might be daft enough to think they should go to Northampton, and the Council seems to agree it was ambiguous, as they have now changed the wording. I find both those things difficult to digest, but indulging them for a minute, how does the wording change help? Those same people who thought they should go to Northampton will still go there - the only change is they will wander round Northampton looking for the "City of York Council Offices". the original Homer
  • Score: 0

4:39pm Wed 26 Mar 14

MouseHouse says...

Deeply worried about this. We have a motorist who is clearly unable to make a decision about the best thing to do in a given set of circumstances. Driving is a series of decisions that need to be made immediately. The lady driver of Osbaldwick should stay off the roads until she is capable of making decisions and being held responsible for them.
Deeply worried about this. We have a motorist who is clearly unable to make a decision about the best thing to do in a given set of circumstances. Driving is a series of decisions that need to be made immediately. The lady driver of Osbaldwick should stay off the roads until she is capable of making decisions and being held responsible for them. MouseHouse
  • Score: 26

5:32pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Caecilius says...

Only if they're **** stupid people who are incapable of grasping the blindingly obvious.

Oh, hang on, though..........
Only if they're **** stupid people who are incapable of grasping the blindingly obvious. Oh, hang on, though.......... Caecilius
  • Score: 58

5:33pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Lance Corporal Jones says...

MouseHouse wrote:
Deeply worried about this. We have a motorist who is clearly unable to make a decision about the best thing to do in a given set of circumstances. Driving is a series of decisions that need to be made immediately. The lady driver of Osbaldwick should stay off the roads until she is capable of making decisions and being held responsible for them.
"Don't Panic", "Don't Panic", carnage on the road "Don't Panic".
[quote][p][bold]MouseHouse[/bold] wrote: Deeply worried about this. We have a motorist who is clearly unable to make a decision about the best thing to do in a given set of circumstances. Driving is a series of decisions that need to be made immediately. The lady driver of Osbaldwick should stay off the roads until she is capable of making decisions and being held responsible for them.[/p][/quote]"Don't Panic", "Don't Panic", carnage on the road "Don't Panic". Lance Corporal Jones
  • Score: 52

5:35pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Lance Corporal Jones says...

Caecilius wrote:
Only if they're **** stupid people who are incapable of grasping the blindingly obvious.

Oh, hang on, though..........
"Don't Panic", "Don't Panic", **** stupid people who are incapable of grasping the blindingly obvious "Don't Panic".
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: Only if they're **** stupid people who are incapable of grasping the blindingly obvious. Oh, hang on, though..........[/p][/quote]"Don't Panic", "Don't Panic", **** stupid people who are incapable of grasping the blindingly obvious "Don't Panic". Lance Corporal Jones
  • Score: 76

6:09pm Wed 26 Mar 14

m dee says...

HoofHearteds wrote:
Headline! Stupid motorists ignore signs and drive over Lendal bridge, then shows even more stupidity by sending payment to Northampton because they couldn't also read the fine correctly!

How did they pass their driving test?
Then stupid council agree with stupid motorist and and cancel a fine .
[quote][p][bold]HoofHearteds[/bold] wrote: Headline! Stupid motorists ignore signs and drive over Lendal bridge, then shows even more stupidity by sending payment to Northampton because they couldn't also read the fine correctly! How did they pass their driving test?[/p][/quote]Then stupid council agree with stupid motorist and and cancel a fine . m dee
  • Score: -28

4:44am Thu 27 Mar 14

Magicman! says...

Setting off the fire alarm over a lit candle methinks.
Setting off the fire alarm over a lit candle methinks. Magicman!
  • Score: 0

8:14am Thu 27 Mar 14

Alf Garnett says...

My goodness, there are some spectacularly stupid people floating about.
My goodness, there are some spectacularly stupid people floating about. Alf Garnett
  • Score: 2

9:03am Thu 27 Mar 14

bloodaxe says...

York: the city with the lowest average IQ in Britain, allegedly. There's obviously something in the air or water, as it is now affecting people who are visiting.
York: the city with the lowest average IQ in Britain, allegedly. There's obviously something in the air or water, as it is now affecting people who are visiting. bloodaxe
  • Score: 1

1:13pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

stupid is as stupid does....
stupid is as stupid does.... Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 0

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