Plans for Fossgate's £310,000 new look to be debated

York Press: Fossgate Fossgate

A £310,000 new look for a York street, including widening pavements and cutting space for cars, will be discussed next week.

City of York Council officials have revealed plans to make Fossgate more “pedestrian-friendly” and popular, with the favoured scheme seeing the road resurfaced, some parking spaces moved and new seats installed.

The road would be raised to the level of existing footpaths between its junction with Pavement and the area outside Mason’s Bar and Bistro.

Unique wide granite kerbs would be kept, as will stone setts and paving on Fossgate’s bridge.

The plans are part of the council’s Reinvigorate York scheme.

In a consultation on proposals for Fossgate, Exhibition Square and Duncombe Place/ Blake Street, which drew 600 responses, 56 per cent said Fossgate should be a daytime footstreet and 52 per cent agreed with the choice of paving materials.

However the opinion of respondents was split over junction improvements.

The council’s cabinet will be asked to approve the scheme next week, with officials saying it should concentrate on attracting people from the city-centre into Fossgate.

Councillor Dave Merrett, cabinet member for transport and planning, said the street was popular but that it had parking and speeding issues and was seen as “being set apart.”

“The vision is to make the pedestrian experience more attractive, improve the link from Fossgate to the citycentre shopping and footstreet area and encourage increased footfall,” he said.

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10:49am Tue 25 Mar 14

Oyy you says...

Here we go again.....
Here we go again..... Oyy you
  • Score: -33

11:00am Tue 25 Mar 14

The Great Buda says...

Right, time for "Moaning Letters to the Press Bingo"; first one to spot letters with the phrases "vanity project", "ice rink" and "maxists" wins.
Right, time for "Moaning Letters to the Press Bingo"; first one to spot letters with the phrases "vanity project", "ice rink" and "maxists" wins. The Great Buda
  • Score: 29

11:14am Tue 25 Mar 14

Garrowby Turnoff says...

This project is nothing short of a vanity project that'll make it look like an ice rink AND If I knew what "Maxists" were I'd moan about them as well. The bar stewards at CoYC and all cyclists are to blame for everything.
This project is nothing short of a vanity project that'll make it look like an ice rink AND If I knew what "Maxists" were I'd moan about them as well. The bar stewards at CoYC and all cyclists are to blame for everything. Garrowby Turnoff
  • Score: -36

11:18am Tue 25 Mar 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
This project is nothing short of a vanity project that'll make it look like an ice rink AND If I knew what "Maxists" were I'd moan about them as well. The bar stewards at CoYC and all cyclists are to blame for everything.
I win (not sure what), spotted this.
[quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: This project is nothing short of a vanity project that'll make it look like an ice rink AND If I knew what "Maxists" were I'd moan about them as well. The bar stewards at CoYC and all cyclists are to blame for everything.[/p][/quote]I win (not sure what), spotted this. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -37

11:22am Tue 25 Mar 14

The Great Buda says...

Sadly gents/ladies to win you must spot them in letters, not comments. Although it was a bloody good attempt.
Sadly gents/ladies to win you must spot them in letters, not comments. Although it was a bloody good attempt. The Great Buda
  • Score: 7

11:35am Tue 25 Mar 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

The Great Buda wrote:
Sadly gents/ladies to win you must spot them in letters, not comments. Although it was a bloody good attempt.
Although perfectly acceptable phraseology for those who feel it helps to express their personal opinion.
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: Sadly gents/ladies to win you must spot them in letters, not comments. Although it was a bloody good attempt.[/p][/quote]Although perfectly acceptable phraseology for those who feel it helps to express their personal opinion. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -24

12:00pm Tue 25 Mar 14

MorkofYork says...

Don't ruin it. That poor little beige house at Kings square looks like part of a fake street at a theme park.
Don't ruin it. That poor little beige house at Kings square looks like part of a fake street at a theme park. MorkofYork
  • Score: -30

12:32pm Tue 25 Mar 14

AnotherPointofView says...

Merrit thinks there are speeding issues down Fossgate? What speed limit does he think there is? 5mph??? Most of the time I can't go any quicker than about 2mph.
Merrit thinks there are speeding issues down Fossgate? What speed limit does he think there is? 5mph??? Most of the time I can't go any quicker than about 2mph. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: -7

12:44pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

Why not make it ALL pavement, but allow delivery vehicles access at certain times? And keep any disabled parking bays to an absolute minimum. After all, there's a lovely car park over the road at Stonebow House...
Why not make it ALL pavement, but allow delivery vehicles access at certain times? And keep any disabled parking bays to an absolute minimum. After all, there's a lovely car park over the road at Stonebow House... Ignatius Lumpopo
  • Score: 50

12:56pm Tue 25 Mar 14

AnotherPointofView says...

Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:
Why not make it ALL pavement, but allow delivery vehicles access at certain times? And keep any disabled parking bays to an absolute minimum. After all, there's a lovely car park over the road at Stonebow House...
I'll go with that Ignatius. It's a street I never take my car down but as a delivery driver I need to use it all the time.
[quote][p][bold]Ignatius Lumpopo[/bold] wrote: Why not make it ALL pavement, but allow delivery vehicles access at certain times? And keep any disabled parking bays to an absolute minimum. After all, there's a lovely car park over the road at Stonebow House...[/p][/quote]I'll go with that Ignatius. It's a street I never take my car down but as a delivery driver I need to use it all the time. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: 56

1:07pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Teabag1 says...

ARGHHHH will the council never learn!!!!!
ARGHHHH will the council never learn!!!!! Teabag1
  • Score: -46

1:16pm Tue 25 Mar 14

ZachCohen says...

I think for this little stretch it has to be all road for cars or all pavement and bollards with some limited access(early hours) for deliveries.

Dear Council please do not make it confusing for pedestrians. They already walk in front of my car/cycle as it is. Lets not have another Minster Piazza fiasco.
I think for this little stretch it has to be all road for cars or all pavement and bollards with some limited access(early hours) for deliveries. Dear Council please do not make it confusing for pedestrians. They already walk in front of my car/cycle as it is. Lets not have another Minster Piazza fiasco. ZachCohen
  • Score: -39

1:40pm Tue 25 Mar 14

yorkmax99 says...

why not put merritt under the flags...
why not put merritt under the flags... yorkmax99
  • Score: -28

2:16pm Tue 25 Mar 14

acomblass says...

No wonder Darren Richardson is leaving. Too much interference from non elected folk on Reinvigorate York working group.
No wonder Darren Richardson is leaving. Too much interference from non elected folk on Reinvigorate York working group. acomblass
  • Score: -28

3:39pm Tue 25 Mar 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Councillor Dave Merrett:
Said the street was popular but that it had parking and speeding issues.

Fossgate York's answer to the Nürburgring.

If speeding and parking are the issues then deal with them.

If the objective is to make it a pedestrian area then justify it on the improved commercial aspects achievable through the investment.

So, which is it, speeding and parking?, they don't require £300k to resolve (if indeed they are real).

Improving the commercial viability of an area in the city based on sensible proposals, realistic spend coupled with value for money might just do it.

Just had to have a kick the car drivers and totally devalue the whole picture by dragging it down to a single issue, priceless.
Councillor Dave Merrett: Said the street was popular but that it had parking and speeding issues. Fossgate York's answer to the Nürburgring. If speeding and parking are the issues then deal with them. If the objective is to make it a pedestrian area then justify it on the improved commercial aspects achievable through the investment. So, which is it, speeding and parking?, they don't require £300k to resolve (if indeed they are real). Improving the commercial viability of an area in the city based on sensible proposals, realistic spend coupled with value for money might just do it. Just had to have a kick the car drivers and totally devalue the whole picture by dragging it down to a single issue, priceless. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -31

3:54pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Tom6187 says...

I was walking through Kings Square the other day with a friend and we both commented on how daft it looks, York should be left to look old, just leave it alone, it's part of the charm.
I was walking through Kings Square the other day with a friend and we both commented on how daft it looks, York should be left to look old, just leave it alone, it's part of the charm. Tom6187
  • Score: -13

5:28pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Greencliffe says...

Wouldn't re-surfacing Low Petergate be a better investment? - If it was made into a proper shopping street with the curbs dropped it would dramatically improve the street and would make the street a highly desirable shopping st (even more so than now)
Wouldn't re-surfacing Low Petergate be a better investment? - If it was made into a proper shopping street with the curbs dropped it would dramatically improve the street and would make the street a highly desirable shopping st (even more so than now) Greencliffe
  • Score: -3

5:34pm Tue 25 Mar 14

newcyclist says...

Tom6187 wrote:
I was walking through Kings Square the other day with a friend and we both commented on how daft it looks, York should be left to look old, just leave it alone, it's part of the charm.
Please don't add more seats like the ones in King's Square which are already rusted. Don't waste our money on things that don't last.
[quote][p][bold]Tom6187[/bold] wrote: I was walking through Kings Square the other day with a friend and we both commented on how daft it looks, York should be left to look old, just leave it alone, it's part of the charm.[/p][/quote]Please don't add more seats like the ones in King's Square which are already rusted. Don't waste our money on things that don't last. newcyclist
  • Score: -5

7:13pm Tue 25 Mar 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
Councillor Dave Merrett:
Said the street was popular but that it had parking and speeding issues.

Fossgate York's answer to the Nürburgring.

If speeding and parking are the issues then deal with them.

If the objective is to make it a pedestrian area then justify it on the improved commercial aspects achievable through the investment.

So, which is it, speeding and parking?, they don't require £300k to resolve (if indeed they are real).

Improving the commercial viability of an area in the city based on sensible proposals, realistic spend coupled with value for money might just do it.

Just had to have a kick the car drivers and totally devalue the whole picture by dragging it down to a single issue, priceless.
Show how thick the Mark-Down Mongrels are:

I suggest they focus on the objective based on reasoned augment and move the idea forward on that bases. Yet they mark my comment down, well it takes all sorts.

Let me reiterate, there was absolutely no requirement to reference speeding and parking, it adds nothing to the justification for the proposal. I guess its difficult for single issue people to understand that, they don't have to bang the anti-car drum for every issue.

What you must understand however is that long after your gone, cars will still be here or at least in the John Lewis car park buying many of the goods available in Fossgate hence the comment for a viable and sensible solution.

Crack on Mark-Down Mongrels there is light at the end of the tunnel, but (theres always a but) it's probably an oncoming train.

Woof, Woof.
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: Councillor Dave Merrett: Said the street was popular but that it had parking and speeding issues. Fossgate York's answer to the Nürburgring. If speeding and parking are the issues then deal with them. If the objective is to make it a pedestrian area then justify it on the improved commercial aspects achievable through the investment. So, which is it, speeding and parking?, they don't require £300k to resolve (if indeed they are real). Improving the commercial viability of an area in the city based on sensible proposals, realistic spend coupled with value for money might just do it. Just had to have a kick the car drivers and totally devalue the whole picture by dragging it down to a single issue, priceless.[/p][/quote]Show how thick the Mark-Down Mongrels are: I suggest they focus on the objective based on reasoned augment and move the idea forward on that bases. Yet they mark my comment down, well it takes all sorts. Let me reiterate, there was absolutely no requirement to reference speeding and parking, it adds nothing to the justification for the proposal. I guess its difficult for single issue people to understand that, they don't have to bang the anti-car drum for every issue. What you must understand however is that long after your gone, cars will still be here or at least in the John Lewis car park buying many of the goods available in Fossgate hence the comment for a viable and sensible solution. Crack on Mark-Down Mongrels there is light at the end of the tunnel, but (theres always a but) it's probably an oncoming train. Woof, Woof. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -57

8:51pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Garrowby Turnoff says...

The cookie monster is fiddling the votes again I see!
The cookie monster is fiddling the votes again I see! Garrowby Turnoff
  • Score: -22

11:29pm Tue 25 Mar 14

RingoStarr says...

Councillor Merret is ABSOLUTELY correct. We must STOP these stupid petrol-head car drivers from coming into our City simply to spend their hard-earned money there!
Councillor Merret is ABSOLUTELY correct. We must STOP these stupid petrol-head car drivers from coming into our City simply to spend their hard-earned money there! RingoStarr
  • Score: -41

1:20am Wed 26 Mar 14

RingoStarr says...

RingoStarr wrote:
Councillor Merret is ABSOLUTELY correct. We must STOP these stupid petrol-head car drivers from coming into our City simply to spend their hard-earned money there!
Than you score hacker, I KNEW you's see sense at last by giving Councillor Merret's idea lots of minus votes.
[quote][p][bold]RingoStarr[/bold] wrote: Councillor Merret is ABSOLUTELY correct. We must STOP these stupid petrol-head car drivers from coming into our City simply to spend their hard-earned money there![/p][/quote]Than you score hacker, I KNEW you's see sense at last by giving Councillor Merret's idea lots of minus votes. RingoStarr
  • Score: -30

4:22am Wed 26 Mar 14

Magicman! says...

Hopefully lessons have bene leared from the Minster Plazza, and any 'road' route through Fossgate will have some means of physical seperation and signage. Pedestrians don't look down at the paving surface to see a 2% change in the colour of the slabs and think "oh the colour has changed a tiny bit, perhaps this is a traffic lane", and blind/partially sighted people can't see it at all, so there needs to be a physical change between 'pavement' and 'traffic lane' - either by means of a raised edge, tactile paving, or a drop in the surface level.

Not doing this, and having it all the same level without a vastly different change of surface colour would not be compliant with the Disability Discrimination Act.
Hopefully lessons have bene leared from the Minster Plazza, and any 'road' route through Fossgate will have some means of physical seperation and signage. Pedestrians don't look down at the paving surface to see a 2% change in the colour of the slabs and think "oh the colour has changed a tiny bit, perhaps this is a traffic lane", and blind/partially sighted people can't see it at all, so there needs to be a physical change between 'pavement' and 'traffic lane' - either by means of a raised edge, tactile paving, or a drop in the surface level. Not doing this, and having it all the same level without a vastly different change of surface colour would not be compliant with the Disability Discrimination Act. Magicman!
  • Score: 5

10:27am Wed 26 Mar 14

hikerman says...

Councillor Merret is correct on this one last week a silly woman came speeding down fossgate must have been doing 40mph and people crossing the road between parked cars .
Councillor Merret is correct on this one last week a silly woman came speeding down fossgate must have been doing 40mph and people crossing the road between parked cars . hikerman
  • Score: 2

1:25pm Wed 26 Mar 14

greenmonkey says...

Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:
Why not make it ALL pavement, but allow delivery vehicles access at certain times? And keep any disabled parking bays to an absolute minimum. After all, there's a lovely car park over the road at Stonebow House...
This is roughly what is proposed I think. In response to consultation the plan involves a level surface down as far as Merchant Adventurers Hall with some bollards to protect buildings as much as anything else. Creating a pedestrian environment is part of the idea - those driving should take account of the conditions, not just the speed limit!
[quote][p][bold]Ignatius Lumpopo[/bold] wrote: Why not make it ALL pavement, but allow delivery vehicles access at certain times? And keep any disabled parking bays to an absolute minimum. After all, there's a lovely car park over the road at Stonebow House...[/p][/quote]This is roughly what is proposed I think. In response to consultation the plan involves a level surface down as far as Merchant Adventurers Hall with some bollards to protect buildings as much as anything else. Creating a pedestrian environment is part of the idea - those driving should take account of the conditions, not just the speed limit! greenmonkey
  • Score: 1

2:31pm Wed 26 Mar 14

york_chap says...

I rarely agree with any of Merrett's anti-car, motorist-bashing schemes, but to be honest I don't see why Fossgate can't be a foot-street or limited access during the day. Private vehicles aren't supposed to access the area via Stonebow (rising bollard), Coppergate (restriction and ANPR cameras) or Piccadilly (Access only restriction) anyway, so I can't see what difference it will make.

As long as the road is re-opened in the evenings when there are less pedestrians and when Petergate/Colliergat
e can be used as a through route, it shouldn't inconvenience too many people.
I rarely agree with any of Merrett's anti-car, motorist-bashing schemes, but to be honest I don't see why Fossgate can't be a foot-street or limited access during the day. Private vehicles aren't supposed to access the area via Stonebow (rising bollard), Coppergate (restriction and ANPR cameras) or Piccadilly (Access only restriction) anyway, so I can't see what difference it will make. As long as the road is re-opened in the evenings when there are less pedestrians and when Petergate/Colliergat e can be used as a through route, it shouldn't inconvenience too many people. york_chap
  • Score: 2

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