Police call for ban on any more new pubs in York city centre

PC Mick Wilkinson

PC Mick Wilkinson

First published in News York Press: Photograph of the Author by , mark.stead@thepress.co.uk

TOUGHER rules on new pubs and bars are set to be extended across the centre of York after police said the city cannot take any more licensed premises.

Back Swinegate, Fossgate and Goodramgate are set to be included within a larger Cumulative Impact Zone (CIZ), where the likely impact on crime and antisocial behaviour must be assessed before applications can be granted.

The move, to be considered by City of York Council next week, would make it harder for firms to secure new licences or longer opening hours.

The extension has been requested by North Yorkshire Police, whose licensing officer PC Mick Wilkinson said the city had enough bars.

Guildhall councillor Brian Watson said too many licences had been approved in the Back Swinegate area, the scene of 215 crimes and 177 antisocial behaviour incidents last year, and mistakes should not be repeated elsewhere.

The proposals will be discussed by the council’s gambling, licensing and regulatory committee next Monday, before being put to all councillors.

More than fifty interested parties and all York’s licensed premises were consulted, but only one response was received. A report on a recent licensing application in Fossgate said violent crime and antisocial behaviour had not risen there in the past three years.

PC Wilkinson said: “It’s future-proofing – the police believe York now has enough late-night venues, and it is the police who deal with crime and disorder in the city centre.

“Each licence application is assessed on its individual merits and the council makes the decision. However, an expanded Cumulative Impact Zone gives police the chance to say enough is enough, to object on those grounds, and for applications to be considered in the context of the overall impact on the city-centre.”

Coun Watson said an extended zone would be “too late” for Back Swinegate, but added: “If we don’t get a grip on this, exactly the same thing will happen in Fossgate, where anything which becomes empty is turned into a bar or restaurant.

“We have to look to the future. York has good-quality licensed premises, but there are now too many of them.”

Areas within the existing Cumulative Impact Zone include Micklegate, George Hudson Street, Bridge Street, Coney Street, Blake Street and Davygate. Paul Gardner, who runs The Terrace on Fossgate, said expanding it would not address people drinking at home before going into the city centre, where they may be refused entry.

“There is no happy medium, and I’d also rather have people employed than buildings being empty – with so much out-of-town shopping, the city centre needs something else,” he said.

Lesley Cooke, the council’s licensing manager, said any consultation feedback would be added to the police’s formal request for the zone’s extension, which was “evidence-based on crime and disorder statistics”.

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12:17pm Tue 11 Mar 14

ian923 says...

York does have too many licenced premises and I wager the idiot who jumped in the Ouse had been in a few of them last night. He should be billed for the cost of all the Emergency teams who attended and also the Hospital. Being charged for their idiotic acts may well be a deterrent.
York does have too many licenced premises and I wager the idiot who jumped in the Ouse had been in a few of them last night. He should be billed for the cost of all the Emergency teams who attended and also the Hospital. Being charged for their idiotic acts may well be a deterrent. ian923
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12:30pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Jackanory2 says...

Can't seem to win, if a shop is left empty we moan about how bad it looks, if someone wants to put a bar there and thinks they can make money, does it really matter. Also, I don't think the amount of pubs there are equates to the amount people drink, all it does is give us more choice, so whats wrong with that. This PC is just looking after his "mates" who already have pubs in York.
Can't seem to win, if a shop is left empty we moan about how bad it looks, if someone wants to put a bar there and thinks they can make money, does it really matter. Also, I don't think the amount of pubs there are equates to the amount people drink, all it does is give us more choice, so whats wrong with that. This PC is just looking after his "mates" who already have pubs in York. Jackanory2
  • Score: -358

12:52pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Happytoliveinyork says...

#jobsandfights
#jobsandfights Happytoliveinyork
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1:08pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Mountain out of a mole hill.... the areas they are on about are the nice areas of York.. I've said it before I’ve never seen an incident down that area. Especially fossgate... out of all these "crimes" how many will be fixed penalties for being d&d? how many are actual serious crimes that need addressing? How many of them are lasses reporting a phone being stolen when they leave there bags anywhere? Face it depending on the time of month police will issue fpn to people to hit targets. It’s a fact. On a night out I feel far safer in York then other cities.

I suggest if the police think these areas are bad they spend a night next to salt and peppers.... then it might put things into prospective.

Another point might be the city will attract a number of people in any given weekend (you don’t go to places dependant on how many bars there are). How will preventing more places opening reduce the police presence? The same amount of people will get drunk? If they are just in less bars it will just increase h&s due to over crowding.

I like swingate and fossgate. They are the places you go if you want to have a nice drink with a good atmosphere where you wont get started on… Fossgate has the potential to be the trendy area of York and this should not be prevented due to police action plans or lack of… look at the new pub down there the hop? How many issues has this caused police? There is more chance of a scrap outside mc d’s then in there on a weekend. In fact that can be said for a lot of other places too…
Mountain out of a mole hill.... the areas they are on about are the nice areas of York.. I've said it before I’ve never seen an incident down that area. Especially fossgate... out of all these "crimes" how many will be fixed penalties for being d&d? how many are actual serious crimes that need addressing? How many of them are lasses reporting a phone being stolen when they leave there bags anywhere? Face it depending on the time of month police will issue fpn to people to hit targets. It’s a fact. On a night out I feel far safer in York then other cities. I suggest if the police think these areas are bad they spend a night next to salt and peppers.... then it might put things into prospective. Another point might be the city will attract a number of people in any given weekend (you don’t go to places dependant on how many bars there are). How will preventing more places opening reduce the police presence? The same amount of people will get drunk? If they are just in less bars it will just increase h&s due to over crowding. I like swingate and fossgate. They are the places you go if you want to have a nice drink with a good atmosphere where you wont get started on… Fossgate has the potential to be the trendy area of York and this should not be prevented due to police action plans or lack of… look at the new pub down there the hop? How many issues has this caused police? There is more chance of a scrap outside mc d’s then in there on a weekend. In fact that can be said for a lot of other places too… Archiebold the 1st
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1:11pm Tue 11 Mar 14

mmarshal says...

It's a pity that a more varied range of shops cannot be attracted to York. However, in the absence of other tenants, I can see no issue with opening more new pubs. Other pubs may not like their customers having the choice to drink elsewhere but I cannot see that more pubs equals more alcohol consumption. Surely, the drinkers will go to drink at their pub of choice. Once they've had enough, why should they then move on to another pub? Or is it the case that, if there are 50 drinking establishments in York I will drink 50 glasses but if it increases to 51 establishments I will drink 51 glasses?
It's a pity that a more varied range of shops cannot be attracted to York. However, in the absence of other tenants, I can see no issue with opening more new pubs. Other pubs may not like their customers having the choice to drink elsewhere but I cannot see that more pubs equals more alcohol consumption. Surely, the drinkers will go to drink at their pub of choice. Once they've had enough, why should they then move on to another pub? Or is it the case that, if there are 50 drinking establishments in York I will drink 50 glasses but if it increases to 51 establishments I will drink 51 glasses? mmarshal
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1:17pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

ian923 wrote:
York does have too many licenced premises and I wager the idiot who jumped in the Ouse had been in a few of them last night. He should be billed for the cost of all the Emergency teams who attended and also the Hospital. Being charged for their idiotic acts may well be a deterrent.
I'll take that bet.... that areas is a place where homeless folk drink special brew and given the time he was found was prior to 10pm I don’t think we can blame this on too many late night licensing premises. He also seems a tad too old to be out on a student night jumping into rivers at 30+...
[quote][p][bold]ian923[/bold] wrote: York does have too many licenced premises and I wager the idiot who jumped in the Ouse had been in a few of them last night. He should be billed for the cost of all the Emergency teams who attended and also the Hospital. Being charged for their idiotic acts may well be a deterrent.[/p][/quote]I'll take that bet.... that areas is a place where homeless folk drink special brew and given the time he was found was prior to 10pm I don’t think we can blame this on too many late night licensing premises. He also seems a tad too old to be out on a student night jumping into rivers at 30+... Archiebold the 1st
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1:40pm Tue 11 Mar 14

inthesticks says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
ian923 wrote:
York does have too many licenced premises and I wager the idiot who jumped in the Ouse had been in a few of them last night. He should be billed for the cost of all the Emergency teams who attended and also the Hospital. Being charged for their idiotic acts may well be a deterrent.
I'll take that bet.... that areas is a place where homeless folk drink special brew and given the time he was found was prior to 10pm I don’t think we can blame this on too many late night licensing premises. He also seems a tad too old to be out on a student night jumping into rivers at 30+...
How do you know it wasn`t someone trying to end their life? It doesn`t say he had been drinking.
On the article - agree with PC Mick.
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ian923[/bold] wrote: York does have too many licenced premises and I wager the idiot who jumped in the Ouse had been in a few of them last night. He should be billed for the cost of all the Emergency teams who attended and also the Hospital. Being charged for their idiotic acts may well be a deterrent.[/p][/quote]I'll take that bet.... that areas is a place where homeless folk drink special brew and given the time he was found was prior to 10pm I don’t think we can blame this on too many late night licensing premises. He also seems a tad too old to be out on a student night jumping into rivers at 30+...[/p][/quote]How do you know it wasn`t someone trying to end their life? It doesn`t say he had been drinking. On the article - agree with PC Mick. inthesticks
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2:40pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Major Bloodnok says...

I sit here on the veranda of The Officers Mess over looking the savannah of York.....It reminds of my days out in the bush....wider beast roam free at the watering hole....until a predator arrives .....then all hell brakes lose.....My long serving batman (Wantanother) says it is customs here ...Another G&T Major..well if you insist
I sit here on the veranda of The Officers Mess over looking the savannah of York.....It reminds of my days out in the bush....wider beast roam free at the watering hole....until a predator arrives .....then all hell brakes lose.....My long serving batman (Wantanother) says it is customs here ...Another G&T Major..well if you insist Major Bloodnok
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3:09pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

inthesticks wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
ian923 wrote: York does have too many licenced premises and I wager the idiot who jumped in the Ouse had been in a few of them last night. He should be billed for the cost of all the Emergency teams who attended and also the Hospital. Being charged for their idiotic acts may well be a deterrent.
I'll take that bet.... that areas is a place where homeless folk drink special brew and given the time he was found was prior to 10pm I don’t think we can blame this on too many late night licensing premises. He also seems a tad too old to be out on a student night jumping into rivers at 30+...
How do you know it wasn`t someone trying to end their life? It doesn`t say he had been drinking. On the article - agree with PC Mick.
Because if he was rescued the chances are someone would have stayed with him in the 9minutes since he jumped and was subsequently found to make sure he was safe (afterall why do half a job). If he did want to end his life he wouldn’t have climbed out.
[quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ian923[/bold] wrote: York does have too many licenced premises and I wager the idiot who jumped in the Ouse had been in a few of them last night. He should be billed for the cost of all the Emergency teams who attended and also the Hospital. Being charged for their idiotic acts may well be a deterrent.[/p][/quote]I'll take that bet.... that areas is a place where homeless folk drink special brew and given the time he was found was prior to 10pm I don’t think we can blame this on too many late night licensing premises. He also seems a tad too old to be out on a student night jumping into rivers at 30+...[/p][/quote]How do you know it wasn`t someone trying to end their life? It doesn`t say he had been drinking. On the article - agree with PC Mick.[/p][/quote]Because if he was rescued the chances are someone would have stayed with him in the 9minutes since he jumped and was subsequently found to make sure he was safe (afterall why do half a job). If he did want to end his life he wouldn’t have climbed out. Archiebold the 1st
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3:34pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Idris Gawr says...

Yes, there are far too many pubs and drinking establishments in York.
I agree with P.C. Wilkinson.
These establishments attract ant-social behaviour in York.
As for the comment that these establishments give jobs...... We do not want any more low-paying jobs in York.
Yes, there are far too many pubs and drinking establishments in York. I agree with P.C. Wilkinson. These establishments attract ant-social behaviour in York. As for the comment that these establishments give jobs...... We do not want any more low-paying jobs in York. Idris Gawr
  • Score: -4

3:38pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Idris Gawr wrote:
Yes, there are far too many pubs and drinking establishments in York. I agree with P.C. Wilkinson. These establishments attract ant-social behaviour in York. As for the comment that these establishments give jobs...... We do not want any more low-paying jobs in York.
I hate it when all the ants have a social get together. Causes mayhem
[quote][p][bold]Idris Gawr[/bold] wrote: Yes, there are far too many pubs and drinking establishments in York. I agree with P.C. Wilkinson. These establishments attract ant-social behaviour in York. As for the comment that these establishments give jobs...... We do not want any more low-paying jobs in York.[/p][/quote]I hate it when all the ants have a social get together. Causes mayhem Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 8

3:41pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Terry3 says...

Of course York has too many pubs, and of course they are a major source of crime and criminals. In the last fifty years York has become a place to steer clear of due the drunks and troublemakers. Time was that Tang Hall and parts of Acomb were places to stay clear of at night, now it's the whole city.. Time to reduce the pub licenses and strengthening the laws, making the criminals pay...
Of course York has too many pubs, and of course they are a major source of crime and criminals. In the last fifty years York has become a place to steer clear of due the drunks and troublemakers. Time was that Tang Hall and parts of Acomb were places to stay clear of at night, now it's the whole city.. Time to reduce the pub licenses and strengthening the laws, making the criminals pay... Terry3
  • Score: 0

3:49pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Terry3 wrote:
Of course York has too many pubs, and of course they are a major source of crime and criminals. In the last fifty years York has become a place to steer clear of due the drunks and troublemakers. Time was that Tang Hall and parts of Acomb were places to stay clear of at night, now it's the whole city.. Time to reduce the pub licenses and strengthening the laws, making the criminals pay...
Yes i agree close all the pubs and encourage street drinking! that will solve it all! I'm sure the youths who drink at the market on a night have no contribution to the articles crime stats! its all the people drinking in the more expensive bars. I completely agree I cant walk anywhere in York without being mugged or raped. I'm sick of it! I’m sick of living in one of the safest cities in the UK which is constantly voted as a great place to live... Why the hell should we have more choice in restaurants... cant we get by with a chippy like we did 50 years ago... and these new cocktail bars attract some right sorts.. The type you wouldn’t want to walk on the same side as the street as in case they strike up a pleasant conversation...

GET A GRIP IT’S NOT HARLAM!
[quote][p][bold]Terry3[/bold] wrote: Of course York has too many pubs, and of course they are a major source of crime and criminals. In the last fifty years York has become a place to steer clear of due the drunks and troublemakers. Time was that Tang Hall and parts of Acomb were places to stay clear of at night, now it's the whole city.. Time to reduce the pub licenses and strengthening the laws, making the criminals pay...[/p][/quote]Yes i agree close all the pubs and encourage street drinking! that will solve it all! I'm sure the youths who drink at the market on a night have no contribution to the articles crime stats! its all the people drinking in the more expensive bars. I completely agree I cant walk anywhere in York without being mugged or raped. I'm sick of it! I’m sick of living in one of the safest cities in the UK which is constantly voted as a great place to live... Why the hell should we have more choice in restaurants... cant we get by with a chippy like we did 50 years ago... and these new cocktail bars attract some right sorts.. The type you wouldn’t want to walk on the same side as the street as in case they strike up a pleasant conversation... GET A GRIP IT’S NOT HARLAM! Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 12

4:22pm Tue 11 Mar 14

yorkandproud says...

Harlem.
Harlem. yorkandproud
  • Score: 10

4:28pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

yorkandproud wrote:
Harlem.
:-(
[quote][p][bold]yorkandproud[/bold] wrote: Harlem.[/p][/quote]:-( Archiebold the 1st
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4:38pm Tue 11 Mar 14

bravo whisky says...

Surely the amount of drinking establishments in York which has a wonderful variety, something for everyone one might say, is determined by demand, there is only a certain amount of money around and as we have seen in recent years a lot of pubs have shut . I do not think a Licencing Officer, a PC, who is probably not from this area and has limited knowledge of York's history should be dictating the future of leisure time in York.
Surely the amount of drinking establishments in York which has a wonderful variety, something for everyone one might say, is determined by demand, there is only a certain amount of money around and as we have seen in recent years a lot of pubs have shut . I do not think a Licencing Officer, a PC, who is probably not from this area and has limited knowledge of York's history should be dictating the future of leisure time in York. bravo whisky
  • Score: 5

4:50pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Overproof says...

It isn't the number of pubs - it is the number of people who drink to excess.

Logically, it would have to be the case that every single pub in York was completely full to capacity, for another new pub to allow more drinking. This just isn't how it is.

Another pub will not mean more drinking. It looks like the Police are making excuses.
It isn't the number of pubs - it is the number of people who drink to excess. Logically, it would have to be the case that every single pub in York was completely full to capacity, for another new pub to allow more drinking. This just isn't how it is. Another pub will not mean more drinking. It looks like the Police are making excuses. Overproof
  • Score: 8

5:33pm Tue 11 Mar 14

bolero says...

bravo whisky wrote:
Surely the amount of drinking establishments in York which has a wonderful variety, something for everyone one might say, is determined by demand, there is only a certain amount of money around and as we have seen in recent years a lot of pubs have shut . I do not think a Licencing Officer, a PC, who is probably not from this area and has limited knowledge of York's history should be dictating the future of leisure time in York.
Presumably you would'nt mind attending one of the scenes to wipe the spit from the PCs face or the vomit off his uniform.
[quote][p][bold]bravo whisky[/bold] wrote: Surely the amount of drinking establishments in York which has a wonderful variety, something for everyone one might say, is determined by demand, there is only a certain amount of money around and as we have seen in recent years a lot of pubs have shut . I do not think a Licencing Officer, a PC, who is probably not from this area and has limited knowledge of York's history should be dictating the future of leisure time in York.[/p][/quote]Presumably you would'nt mind attending one of the scenes to wipe the spit from the PCs face or the vomit off his uniform. bolero
  • Score: -5

5:40pm Tue 11 Mar 14

whitehorse says...

I would sooner welcome a bar, restaurant or licensed cafe than another Cash For Gold, Betting Shop or micro supermarket. If the recession has turned a corner, as the news this morning suggested, these empty properties may be put to better use. And we could maybe turn the moneylenders out of the city.

However, it is also prudent to ask- are there too many pubs or to few Police officers to discourage crime. The recession may provide an answer there too.
I would sooner welcome a bar, restaurant or licensed cafe than another Cash For Gold, Betting Shop or micro supermarket. If the recession has turned a corner, as the news this morning suggested, these empty properties may be put to better use. And we could maybe turn the moneylenders out of the city. However, it is also prudent to ask- are there too many pubs or to few Police officers to discourage crime. The recession may provide an answer there too. whitehorse
  • Score: 12

6:35pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Woody G Mellor says...

Its not the Pubs that need banning, its the idiot minority that drink in them.
Its not the Pubs that need banning, its the idiot minority that drink in them. Woody G Mellor
  • Score: 15

6:36pm Tue 11 Mar 14

3.8liter says...

York magistrates used to decide if new pubs could open or not, then about 10 years ago this responsibility was given over to CYC. Thus the fiasco we have now.
York magistrates used to decide if new pubs could open or not, then about 10 years ago this responsibility was given over to CYC. Thus the fiasco we have now. 3.8liter
  • Score: 12

6:57pm Tue 11 Mar 14

eeoodares says...

Terry3 wrote:
Of course York has too many pubs, and of course they are a major source of crime and criminals. In the last fifty years York has become a place to steer clear of due the drunks and troublemakers. Time was that Tang Hall and parts of Acomb were places to stay clear of at night, now it's the whole city.. Time to reduce the pub licenses and strengthening the laws, making the criminals pay...
There are rough pubs and rough areas. Swinegate and Fossgate are neither.

You want to see trouble walk down Micklegate Hill and swing a left. The majority of people are in their teens, they drink very strong booze and kick chunks out of each other. Fossgate tends to be older people drinking normal strength beer. I know which area I would control!
[quote][p][bold]Terry3[/bold] wrote: Of course York has too many pubs, and of course they are a major source of crime and criminals. In the last fifty years York has become a place to steer clear of due the drunks and troublemakers. Time was that Tang Hall and parts of Acomb were places to stay clear of at night, now it's the whole city.. Time to reduce the pub licenses and strengthening the laws, making the criminals pay...[/p][/quote]There are rough pubs and rough areas. Swinegate and Fossgate are neither. You want to see trouble walk down Micklegate Hill and swing a left. The majority of people are in their teens, they drink very strong booze and kick chunks out of each other. Fossgate tends to be older people drinking normal strength beer. I know which area I would control! eeoodares
  • Score: 16

7:21pm Tue 11 Mar 14

sleepyhollow21 says...

This situation of Anti Social behaviour was for -seen by a former Licencing Officer in the '90s ,He said then that more licensed Premises would be a strain on the police, as the Pub Cos put in young and inexperienced Managers in , . York City has now become a no-go area at night for tourists and residents alike.
This situation of Anti Social behaviour was for -seen by a former Licencing Officer in the '90s ,He said then that more licensed Premises would be a strain on the police, as the Pub Cos put in young and inexperienced Managers in , . York City has now become a no-go area at night for tourists and residents alike. sleepyhollow21
  • Score: 4

8:07pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Mr John says...

It isn't the number of pubs that is the problem. The problem is the types of pubs being opened (ones that attract Saturday night youths simply in order to generate big profits with no social responsibility) and the hours of opening (far far too many are open beyond 11 pm).

York City Council ought to concentrate on encouraging more people (especially the young) to drink in the suburb and village pubs where they are more likely to be properly overseen by older members of the community.
It isn't the number of pubs that is the problem. The problem is the types of pubs being opened (ones that attract Saturday night youths simply in order to generate big profits with no social responsibility) and the hours of opening (far far too many are open beyond 11 pm). York City Council ought to concentrate on encouraging more people (especially the young) to drink in the suburb and village pubs where they are more likely to be properly overseen by older members of the community. Mr John
  • Score: 2

8:45pm Tue 11 Mar 14

mike.......durkin says...

pubs are verry dear in tawn but good news sick of old pubs at leest it make a change.
pubs are verry dear in tawn but good news sick of old pubs at leest it make a change. mike.......durkin
  • Score: -3

9:55pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Vine Weevil says...

I like pubs and there are probably fewer in York now than in the past. The problem is not just pubs but the number of licensed premises altogether and their concentration in a small area. York was (and to some extent still is) a popular historic destination for family holidays. There seems to have been a deliberate effort over recent years to destroy the historic character of the city and turn it into a Malaga-on-Ouse for stag and hen parties.
I like pubs and there are probably fewer in York now than in the past. The problem is not just pubs but the number of licensed premises altogether and their concentration in a small area. York was (and to some extent still is) a popular historic destination for family holidays. There seems to have been a deliberate effort over recent years to destroy the historic character of the city and turn it into a Malaga-on-Ouse for stag and hen parties. Vine Weevil
  • Score: 8

10:55pm Tue 11 Mar 14

akaroa says...

A few days ago there was an article in The Press with regards the disappearing pubs of York. There are nowhere near as many true pubs in the city, not licensed cafes, masquerading as pubs, as there were in the 50s and 60s, this article stinks of hypocrisy.
A few days ago there was an article in The Press with regards the disappearing pubs of York. There are nowhere near as many true pubs in the city, not licensed cafes, masquerading as pubs, as there were in the 50s and 60s, this article stinks of hypocrisy. akaroa
  • Score: 7

8:16am Wed 12 Mar 14

again says...

Perhaps the real problem is cheap alcohol prices in retail outlets.

It's my understanding many people do a fair bit of drinking before they even get to pubs, clubs to save money and to be well tanked up before setting out for the evening!
Perhaps the real problem is cheap alcohol prices in retail outlets. It's my understanding many people do a fair bit of drinking before they even get to pubs, clubs to save money and to be well tanked up before setting out for the evening! again
  • Score: 5

9:13am Wed 12 Mar 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Vine Weevil wrote:
I like pubs and there are probably fewer in York now than in the past. The problem is not just pubs but the number of licensed premises altogether and their concentration in a small area. York was (and to some extent still is) a popular historic destination for family holidays. There seems to have been a deliberate effort over recent years to destroy the historic character of the city and turn it into a Malaga-on-Ouse for stag and hen parties.
there are less pubs then 10 years ago..... york has been popular with hen and stag do's for decades... we have a racecourse.
[quote][p][bold]Vine Weevil[/bold] wrote: I like pubs and there are probably fewer in York now than in the past. The problem is not just pubs but the number of licensed premises altogether and their concentration in a small area. York was (and to some extent still is) a popular historic destination for family holidays. There seems to have been a deliberate effort over recent years to destroy the historic character of the city and turn it into a Malaga-on-Ouse for stag and hen parties.[/p][/quote]there are less pubs then 10 years ago..... york has been popular with hen and stag do's for decades... we have a racecourse. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 1

3:13pm Wed 12 Mar 14

stephen123 says...

I am pleased to see that Mick Wilkinson is prepared to speak up about the increase in crime and anti social behaviour problems associated with the level of licences that are granted.

I hope he will bear this in mind when he is making his decision on the licensing application for Monk Stray. As clearly this will turn a beautiful green space into a hive of anti social behaviour problems following the Tour de France.
I am pleased to see that Mick Wilkinson is prepared to speak up about the increase in crime and anti social behaviour problems associated with the level of licences that are granted. I hope he will bear this in mind when he is making his decision on the licensing application for Monk Stray. As clearly this will turn a beautiful green space into a hive of anti social behaviour problems following the Tour de France. stephen123
  • Score: 2

9:16am Thu 13 Mar 14

meme says...

I don't think its the restaurants and bars that have contributed towards drunken behaviour its a certain type of person who drinks in them and if there was a punishment that fitted the crime perhaps we would see some improvement in behaviour.
Bars etc don't force alcohol down peoples throats Its the customers who choose to get hammered and then behave badly. Its also a certain type of customer as not everyone behaves badly..... even when drunk.
If people were properly punished and society accepted that drunken behaviour was unacceptable we would minimise the issue
BUT like it or not York is a City for visitors and we need lots of places for entertainment. In my view Walmgate/Fossgate is massively improved with the addition of an eclectic mix of bars and restaurants and I don't recognise the picture painted of it being a drunken area.
Perhaps if we shifted the street drinkers and beggars the whole city would be a better place as I witnesses a street beggar obviously high on something peeing in broad daylight in a shop doorway and no one did anything
Its not the bars, its society and its attitude but, despite the rants from some people, York is a very safe place in general and very welcoming not the picture of drunken depravity its sometimes painted to be.
I don't think its the restaurants and bars that have contributed towards drunken behaviour its a certain type of person who drinks in them and if there was a punishment that fitted the crime perhaps we would see some improvement in behaviour. Bars etc don't force alcohol down peoples throats Its the customers who choose to get hammered and then behave badly. Its also a certain type of customer as not everyone behaves badly..... even when drunk. If people were properly punished and society accepted that drunken behaviour was unacceptable we would minimise the issue BUT like it or not York is a City for visitors and we need lots of places for entertainment. In my view Walmgate/Fossgate is massively improved with the addition of an eclectic mix of bars and restaurants and I don't recognise the picture painted of it being a drunken area. Perhaps if we shifted the street drinkers and beggars the whole city would be a better place as I witnesses a street beggar obviously high on something peeing in broad daylight in a shop doorway and no one did anything [to my shame including myself!] Its not the bars, its society and its attitude but, despite the rants from some people, York is a very safe place in general and very welcoming not the picture of drunken depravity its sometimes painted to be. meme
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9:19am Thu 13 Mar 14

meme says...

Its not the Pubs that need banning, its the idiot minority that drink in them

Possibly the easy answer so good suggestion but how is this policed? say 3 strikes and out?
Its not the Pubs that need banning, its the idiot minority that drink in them Possibly the easy answer so good suggestion but how is this policed? say 3 strikes and out? meme
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5:49am Wed 19 Mar 14

anistasia says...

The drink ban and anti social orders around town good idea but hope nobody forgets the outskirts of York teenagers drinking hanging around parks/shops.if someone gets a banning order from town where else will they go out of town could go straight home but also could cause trouble elsewhere.again the minority spoil it for the majority.
The drink ban and anti social orders around town good idea but hope nobody forgets the outskirts of York teenagers drinking hanging around parks/shops.if someone gets a banning order from town where else will they go out of town could go straight home but also could cause trouble elsewhere.again the minority spoil it for the majority. anistasia
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