Thousands join anti-cuts march through York

Marchers set off from Clifford’s Tower

Make their way along Lead Mill Lane, towards Piccadilly

Anti-austerity demonstrators march in York

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THOUSANDS of anti-austerity demonstrators marched through York before staging a huge city-centre rally.

The protest, organised by Yorkshire and Humber TUC and including unions, anti-cuts groups, health and environmental campaigners and students and with an all-female list of speakers to mark International Women’s Day, set out from Clifford’s Tower at lunchtime on Saturday and halted outside the Barbican, where the Liberal Democrat conference was taking place.

The Better Way march continued into the city-centre and back to the Eye of York for the rally. Organisers said about 3,000 people attended. They thanked police and City of York Council, which suspended its controversial Lendal Bridge closure for the day.

Bill Adams, regional secretary of Yorkshire and Humber TUC, said: “It’s been very good-humoured and we’ve had a lot of support from the people of the city. A strong message has been sent out about trying to find a better way to do things, rather than through austerity and attacking the most vulnerable.

“There must be a better way than pushing back workers, driving down living standards and attacking the poor. There must be a more just and fair society. People here today didn’t cause the financial crisis.

"Everybody realises the country has to pay its way and I don’t think anybody has an argument with contributing to that, but when you have tax cuts for millionaires at the same time as people are relying on food banks, it does not cut it.”

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6:44pm Sat 8 Mar 14

York Fox says...

What do we want!? Services we aren't willing to pay for! When do we want them!? When we've found someone else to pay for them!
What do we want!? Services we aren't willing to pay for! When do we want them!? When we've found someone else to pay for them! York Fox
  • Score: 3769

7:03pm Sat 8 Mar 14

eeoodares says...

Bill Adams, regional secretary of Yorkshire and Humber TUC, said "...but when you have tax cuts for millionaires at the same time as people are relying on food banks, it does not cut it."

Brilliant, every study has shown that a cut in tax for higher rate tax payers generates MORE money to the exchequer, a fact that even Labour acknowledges, these people still want to try to raise these taxes to 'send a message'... what is that message?
Bill Adams, regional secretary of Yorkshire and Humber TUC, said "...but when you have tax cuts for millionaires at the same time as people are relying on food banks, it does not cut it." Brilliant, every study has shown that a cut in tax for higher rate tax payers generates MORE money to the exchequer, a fact that even Labour acknowledges, these people still want to try to raise these taxes to 'send a message'... what is that message? eeoodares
  • Score: 2034

7:09pm Sat 8 Mar 14

munkey_mac says...

Initially not a fan of the anti cuts movement. Thinking the debt has to be brought down. Then I see services cut back and people losing their jobs along with large increases in Council Tax for the poorest here in York while the Council blow millions on vanity and traffic calming. Priorities are all wrong. No more cuts! Won me over.
Initially not a fan of the anti cuts movement. Thinking the debt has to be brought down. Then I see services cut back and people losing their jobs along with large increases in Council Tax for the poorest here in York while the Council blow millions on vanity and traffic calming. Priorities are all wrong. No more cuts! Won me over. munkey_mac
  • Score: -241

7:35pm Sat 8 Mar 14

MouseHouse says...

Good to see and hear so much support for this demo today.

Thanks to the organisers.
Good to see and hear so much support for this demo today. Thanks to the organisers. MouseHouse
  • Score: -2996

8:12pm Sat 8 Mar 14

jay, york says...

I guess CoYC thought that their comrades in the TUC march would support their cause But hey - turns out that even they are anti cuts (although they have had to bend their rules to get other parties on their side). For goodness sake CoYC give citizens of York what they acutally needs and forget all your individual "pet" schemes that really dont make any difference to us who pay your salaries!! And forget all your anti motorist schemes. Represent your citizens and stoip all the arrogance and "you will do as I say" attitude. For goodness sake listen to people!
I guess CoYC thought that their comrades in the TUC march would support their cause But hey - turns out that even they are anti cuts (although they have had to bend their rules to get other parties on their side). For goodness sake CoYC give citizens of York what they acutally needs and forget all your individual "pet" schemes that really dont make any difference to us who pay your salaries!! And forget all your anti motorist schemes. Represent your citizens and stoip all the arrogance and "you will do as I say" attitude. For goodness sake listen to people! jay, york
  • Score: 928

9:09pm Sat 8 Mar 14

geoff tibletts says...

jay, york wrote:
I guess CoYC thought that their comrades in the TUC march would support their cause But hey - turns out that even they are anti cuts (although they have had to bend their rules to get other parties on their side). For goodness sake CoYC give citizens of York what they acutally needs and forget all your individual "pet" schemes that really dont make any difference to us who pay your salaries!! And forget all your anti motorist schemes. Represent your citizens and stoip all the arrogance and "you will do as I say" attitude. For goodness sake listen to people!
Exactly.well said
[quote][p][bold]jay, york[/bold] wrote: I guess CoYC thought that their comrades in the TUC march would support their cause But hey - turns out that even they are anti cuts (although they have had to bend their rules to get other parties on their side). For goodness sake CoYC give citizens of York what they acutally needs and forget all your individual "pet" schemes that really dont make any difference to us who pay your salaries!! And forget all your anti motorist schemes. Represent your citizens and stoip all the arrogance and "you will do as I say" attitude. For goodness sake listen to people![/p][/quote]Exactly.well said geoff tibletts
  • Score: -243

9:30pm Sat 8 Mar 14

MikeyMoo says...

First post for me...

York Fox - What do we want? A democratically elected government that gets into power on a manifesto and honours it! If i lied on a CV to get a job and got found out, I'd get the sack, Doesn't seem fair to me.

eeoodares - No problem with the tax cuts, big problem with the tax loopholes that allow individuals and companies to evade paying their way. I'm PAYE and don't get a chance to manipulate/evade my small dues to the treasury.
First post for me... York Fox - What do we want? A democratically elected government that gets into power on a manifesto and honours it! If i lied on a CV to get a job and got found out, I'd get the sack, Doesn't seem fair to me. eeoodares - No problem with the tax cuts, big problem with the tax loopholes that allow individuals and companies to evade paying their way. I'm PAYE and don't get a chance to manipulate/evade my small dues to the treasury. MikeyMoo
  • Score: 253

9:59pm Sat 8 Mar 14

mortandindi says...

Tossers. Austerity cuts are needed after the last labour governments attempts to put things right. stop whinging and get to work, work hard and if we all do that, the country will recover. there are too many wanting something for nothing in this country. stop benefits for those capable for work, we all know who they are, sort the lazy ******** out
Tossers. Austerity cuts are needed after the last labour governments attempts to put things right. stop whinging and get to work, work hard and if we all do that, the country will recover. there are too many wanting something for nothing in this country. stop benefits for those capable for work, we all know who they are, sort the lazy ******** out mortandindi
  • Score: 2011

10:13pm Sat 8 Mar 14

oi oi savaloy says...

munkey_mac wrote:
Initially not a fan of the anti cuts movement. Thinking the debt has to be brought down. Then I see services cut back and people losing their jobs along with large increases in Council Tax for the poorest here in York while the Council blow millions on vanity and traffic calming. Priorities are all wrong. No more cuts! Won me over.
"then i see services cut back'??? & 'people losing there jobs"????

"along with large increases in council tax for the poorest"???

services were cut back year after year between 1997 and 2010 whilst council tax went up over 100%, are we forgetting about all the jobs that were lost in the last years of labour in the private sector? AND are you unaware that the tories froze council tax and its a labour council that put it up??


i am a bit puzzled by your comment , are you being sarcastic or serious?
[quote][p][bold]munkey_mac[/bold] wrote: Initially not a fan of the anti cuts movement. Thinking the debt has to be brought down. Then I see services cut back and people losing their jobs along with large increases in Council Tax for the poorest here in York while the Council blow millions on vanity and traffic calming. Priorities are all wrong. No more cuts! Won me over.[/p][/quote]"then i see services cut back'??? & 'people losing there jobs"???? "along with large increases in council tax for the poorest"??? services were cut back year after year between 1997 and 2010 whilst council tax went up over 100%, are we forgetting about all the jobs that were lost in the last years of labour in the private sector? AND are you unaware that the tories froze council tax and its a labour council that put it up?? i am a bit puzzled by your comment , are you being sarcastic or serious? oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -252

11:07pm Sat 8 Mar 14

MouseHouse says...

mortandindi wrote:
Tossers. Austerity cuts are needed after the last labour governments attempts to put things right. stop whinging and get to work, work hard and if we all do that, the country will recover. there are too many wanting something for nothing in this country. stop benefits for those capable for work, we all know who they are, sort the lazy ******** out
The only cut needed is to scrap Trident. There's £100 Billion saved for you.

This is about choices being made whereby I work more and pay more to find myself further behind where I was, whilst the rich accumulate more wealth that is 'managed' to avoid tax.

We are living in the sixth or seventh richest nation on earth and we have Food Banks in 2014. Think about how that is just.
[quote][p][bold]mortandindi[/bold] wrote: Tossers. Austerity cuts are needed after the last labour governments attempts to put things right. stop whinging and get to work, work hard and if we all do that, the country will recover. there are too many wanting something for nothing in this country. stop benefits for those capable for work, we all know who they are, sort the lazy ******** out[/p][/quote]The only cut needed is to scrap Trident. There's £100 Billion saved for you. This is about choices being made whereby I work more and pay more to find myself further behind where I was, whilst the rich accumulate more wealth that is 'managed' to avoid tax. We are living in the sixth or seventh richest nation on earth and we have Food Banks in 2014. Think about how that is just. MouseHouse
  • Score: 262

11:13pm Sat 8 Mar 14

eeoodares says...

MikeyMoo wrote:
First post for me...

York Fox - What do we want? A democratically elected government that gets into power on a manifesto and honours it! If i lied on a CV to get a job and got found out, I'd get the sack, Doesn't seem fair to me.

eeoodares - No problem with the tax cuts, big problem with the tax loopholes that allow individuals and companies to evade paying their way. I'm PAYE and don't get a chance to manipulate/evade my small dues to the treasury.
I could not agree more, but if they do not get named and shamed we have no chance!
Orange
Anritsu
for two!
[quote][p][bold]MikeyMoo[/bold] wrote: First post for me... York Fox - What do we want? A democratically elected government that gets into power on a manifesto and honours it! If i lied on a CV to get a job and got found out, I'd get the sack, Doesn't seem fair to me. eeoodares - No problem with the tax cuts, big problem with the tax loopholes that allow individuals and companies to evade paying their way. I'm PAYE and don't get a chance to manipulate/evade my small dues to the treasury.[/p][/quote]I could not agree more, but if they do not get named and shamed we have no chance! Orange Anritsu for two! eeoodares
  • Score: -265

1:35am Sun 9 Mar 14

whatshername says...

mortandindi wrote:
Tossers. Austerity cuts are needed after the last labour governments attempts to put things right. stop whinging and get to work, work hard and if we all do that, the country will recover. there are too many wanting something for nothing in this country. stop benefits for those capable for work, we all know who they are, sort the lazy ******** out
There are people "working hard" who aren't even making a living wage. There are people who used to "work hard" who have been dumped onto the scrap heap in the name of "efficiency savings". There are people who want to "work hard" but through no fault of their own their health has failed them.

Most everyday people are only a couple of pay cheques away from needing a Food Bank. Does the CEO of Tesco work harder than a cleaner? A teacher? A nurse? It's luck, not hard work, that decides what you have in this unequal society.

By the way, only 2.6% of the total benefits bill goes to the unemployed. But let's not let the facts get in the way of a rant eh? Don't believe everything you read in the right-wing, ConDem-supporting media.
[quote][p][bold]mortandindi[/bold] wrote: Tossers. Austerity cuts are needed after the last labour governments attempts to put things right. stop whinging and get to work, work hard and if we all do that, the country will recover. there are too many wanting something for nothing in this country. stop benefits for those capable for work, we all know who they are, sort the lazy ******** out[/p][/quote]There are people "working hard" who aren't even making a living wage. There are people who used to "work hard" who have been dumped onto the scrap heap in the name of "efficiency savings". There are people who want to "work hard" but through no fault of their own their health has failed them. Most everyday people are only a couple of pay cheques away from needing a Food Bank. Does the CEO of Tesco work harder than a cleaner? A teacher? A nurse? It's luck, not hard work, that decides what you have in this unequal society. By the way, only 2.6% of the total benefits bill goes to the unemployed. But let's not let the facts get in the way of a rant eh? Don't believe everything you read in the right-wing, ConDem-supporting media. whatshername
  • Score: -228

4:46am Sun 9 Mar 14

Magicman! says...

MikeyMoo wrote:
First post for me...

York Fox - What do we want? A democratically elected government that gets into power on a manifesto and honours it! If i lied on a CV to get a job and got found out, I'd get the sack, Doesn't seem fair to me.

eeoodares - No problem with the tax cuts, big problem with the tax loopholes that allow individuals and companies to evade paying their way. I'm PAYE and don't get a chance to manipulate/evade my small dues to the treasury.
Exactly... the everyday bloke on the street has to pay their way. But prices of food and fuel are all going up, yet wages are still back at the level about 10 years ago. Only small-medium buisnesses have any sort of excuse to only be paying minimum wage, and yet the biggest employers in York are national/multination
al chains and yet are doing the same thing when they have no excuse to - if they were paying people correctly, there'd be less people having to rely on benefits to top-up their incomes. But rather than realising that, the government is coming along and getting rid of the benefits instead whilst directors of the big companies are finding ways to sweep piles of money under the rug so to speak.
This is the same government that is privatising the NHS as well as emergency search and rescue, and anything else they can get their hands on to turn profits back for themselves to (anybody would think THEY'RE only getting paid minimum wage, with all the perks they give themselves).

Using the old claptrap of "we must reduce the defecit" is hocum. Every developed nation has a national debt to some level, even China has one... trying to reduce it with the aim of not having one at all is simply unsustainable.
[quote][p][bold]MikeyMoo[/bold] wrote: First post for me... York Fox - What do we want? A democratically elected government that gets into power on a manifesto and honours it! If i lied on a CV to get a job and got found out, I'd get the sack, Doesn't seem fair to me. eeoodares - No problem with the tax cuts, big problem with the tax loopholes that allow individuals and companies to evade paying their way. I'm PAYE and don't get a chance to manipulate/evade my small dues to the treasury.[/p][/quote]Exactly... the everyday bloke on the street has to pay their way. But prices of food and fuel are all going up, yet wages are still back at the level about 10 years ago. Only small-medium buisnesses have any sort of excuse to only be paying minimum wage, and yet the biggest employers in York are national/multination al chains and yet are doing the same thing when they have no excuse to - if they were paying people correctly, there'd be less people having to rely on benefits to top-up their incomes. But rather than realising that, the government is coming along and getting rid of the benefits instead whilst directors of the big companies are finding ways to sweep piles of money under the rug so to speak. This is the same government that is privatising the NHS as well as emergency search and rescue, and anything else they can get their hands on to turn profits back for themselves to (anybody would think THEY'RE only getting paid minimum wage, with all the perks they give themselves). Using the old claptrap of "we must reduce the defecit" is hocum. Every developed nation has a national debt to some level, even China has one... trying to reduce it with the aim of not having one at all is simply unsustainable. Magicman!
  • Score: 282

9:08am Sun 9 Mar 14

Woody G Mellor says...

mortandindi wrote:
Tossers. Austerity cuts are needed after the last labour governments attempts to put things right. stop whinging and get to work, work hard and if we all do that, the country will recover. there are too many wanting something for nothing in this country. stop benefits for those capable for work, we all know who they are, sort the lazy ******** out
You ignorant Clown.
[quote][p][bold]mortandindi[/bold] wrote: Tossers. Austerity cuts are needed after the last labour governments attempts to put things right. stop whinging and get to work, work hard and if we all do that, the country will recover. there are too many wanting something for nothing in this country. stop benefits for those capable for work, we all know who they are, sort the lazy ******** out[/p][/quote]You ignorant Clown. Woody G Mellor
  • Score: -242

10:38am Sun 9 Mar 14

Zetkin says...

It wasn't the unemployed, disabled, terminally-ill, the elderly, or the working poor who plunged the economy into crisis. It was super-rich bankers aided and abetted by their pals at Westminster.

It's not the unemployed, disabled, terminally-ill, the elderly, or the working poor who are wriggling out of paying £21 BILLION in taxes every year.

Yet the Liberals and Tories have decided that it's the unemployed, disabled, terminally-ill, the elderly, and the working poor who must pay for the greed and incompetence of the ruling class.

That's why yesterday's demo was so well-attended and well-received by thousands of others in York City centre. No amount of aggressive trolling from far-right apologists for the coalitions cruel and vindictive attacks will change that.
It wasn't the unemployed, disabled, terminally-ill, the elderly, or the working poor who plunged the economy into crisis. It was super-rich bankers aided and abetted by their pals at Westminster. It's not the unemployed, disabled, terminally-ill, the elderly, or the working poor who are wriggling out of paying £21 BILLION in taxes every year. Yet the Liberals and Tories have decided that it's the unemployed, disabled, terminally-ill, the elderly, and the working poor who must pay for the greed and incompetence of the ruling class. That's why yesterday's demo was so well-attended and well-received by thousands of others in York City centre. No amount of aggressive trolling from far-right apologists for the coalitions cruel and vindictive attacks will change that. Zetkin
  • Score: 261

12:09pm Sun 9 Mar 14

timetoact says...

Good to see everyone getting stuck in passionately about this.
How about using that passion and turning it on the Politicians?
No government can stabilise this country in 4 to 5 years….impossible. To even try should condemn ( no pun intended) them to never working in politics again!
My Aussie cousin asked me how does this country make money? He sees it as a big bank! And there are plenty of big bankers trying to run it!
It was reported a few months ago that the hospitality industry is now the largest in this country….so it's official that we do pander to everyone else's needs!
This is our country, we should be proud. We don't have to be racist about it, just realists!
The previous government tried to improve everything by spending, speculate to accumulate but with far too much red tape and targets.
This administration are 'trying to balance the books'.
I bet any company,with the in goings and outgoings along the same scale as the UK, having to make improvements to the way things are done in order for all affected by its actions to not be in anyway adversely affected, tried to do it with such a sweeping, scything, ill thought of, out of touch, inconsiderate manner in such a short time, it would go bust and the unrest from within would be that turbulent that only those who had secured themselves a personal purse to ensure their own selfish safety would be content!
It is everyones rite to have a quality of life.
Stop pandering to the banks, make them pay back the deficit, not the public sector who are proud to work as public servants.
Stop crawling in the shadow of the USA and find our own identity again.
Stop the politicians making an absolute mockery of a democratic system.
Stop cutting money from services which the huge majority of people in this country and abroad see as some of the finest in the world…NHS, Fire Service, Local services…..
STOP selling away the soul of our country
Good to see everyone getting stuck in passionately about this. How about using that passion and turning it on the Politicians? No government can stabilise this country in 4 to 5 years….impossible. To even try should condemn ( no pun intended) them to never working in politics again! My Aussie cousin asked me how does this country make money? He sees it as a big bank! And there are plenty of big bankers trying to run it! It was reported a few months ago that the hospitality industry is now the largest in this country….so it's official that we do pander to everyone else's needs! This is our country, we should be proud. We don't have to be racist about it, just realists! The previous government tried to improve everything by spending, speculate to accumulate but with far too much red tape and targets. This administration are 'trying to balance the books'. I bet any company,with the in goings and outgoings along the same scale as the UK, having to make improvements to the way things are done in order for all affected by its actions to not be in anyway adversely affected, tried to do it with such a sweeping, scything, ill thought of, out of touch, inconsiderate manner in such a short time, it would go bust and the unrest from within would be that turbulent that only those who had secured themselves a personal purse to ensure their own selfish safety would be content! It is everyones rite to have a quality of life. Stop pandering to the banks, make them pay back the deficit, not the public sector who are proud to work as public servants. Stop crawling in the shadow of the USA and find our own identity again. Stop the politicians making an absolute mockery of a democratic system. Stop cutting money from services which the huge majority of people in this country and abroad see as some of the finest in the world…NHS, Fire Service, Local services….. STOP selling away the soul of our country timetoact
  • Score: 199

12:16pm Sun 9 Mar 14

Phil(ip) Hall says...

mortandindi wrote:
Tossers. Austerity cuts are needed after the last labour governments attempts to put things right. stop whinging and get to work, work hard and if we all do that, the country will recover. there are too many wanting something for nothing in this country. stop benefits for those capable for work, we all know who they are, sort the lazy ******** out
"mortandindi" refers to those of us who marched yesterday as "(t)ossers. The cuts she/he opinies "are needed after the last labour governments attempts to put things right." The "hard truth" is that the state (regardless of the government in office) has effectively declared war on society for the benefit of transnational corporations and the super rich. While the latter are protected (given open, free and unlimited access to all the best that our civilization has to offer; free to exercise their money power without responsibility or restraint), the rest of us are lectured about the virtues of "hard work", personal responsibility and subjected to permanent austerity.

However, if we really want to understand what is happening, not only to UK but in the capitalist world in general, then we have to look beyond monied individuals (who should nevertheless be held to account) and look at the whole picture.

As a world economic system capitalism is inherently and increasingly crisis prone: that's its “natural” state. In fact, since the 1970s the rate of crises has speeded up with crises regularly occurring throughout every decade. So, what does that mean for contemporary capitalism and the future of the welfare state.?

According to David Harvey: A crisis is “(a)n irrational, rationalizer of an irrational system; the irrationality of the system right now being masses of capital and masses of labour side by side in the midst of a world that is full of social need.

How stupid is that?

The rationalization that capital is looking for is the re-establishment of the basis for the extraction of surpluses: to re-establish the profit rate. The irrationality in which they (capitalists) are going about this is to actually suppress these possibilities by suppressing labour and suppressing the circulation of capital.

As socialists there is another way of rationalizing; the big question is how to take all that equipment and all that labour and put it together so that it meets human need? That is the rationality that we should be looking for right now, at a moment of crisis, at a moment of opportunity to think about the transition to socialism”.

Make no mistake, austerity is a class project the aim of which is to roll back the advances made by working people for the further enrichment of the ruling class. Austerity isn't intended as a short/medium term measure, it is, as Cameron said, forever.

Surrounded by the opulence of the Guildhall’s grandest room, Cameron addressed 900 rich and well-pampered guests enjoying a sumptuous banquet, courtesy of the City of London Corporation. He used the annual speech at the Lord Mayor’s Banquet to declare that the devastating austerity being imposed by his government will be “permanent.”

Chancellor George Osborne’s Autumn Statement announced further billions in spending and welfare cuts. The “recovery” hailed by Osborne is actually the slowest in more than 100 years, with the economy more than 3 percent smaller than before the 2008 crash.

The UK economy has only been able to remain afloat through a guarantee of cheap money via the £375 billion of quantitative easing that been made available to the banks. This could rise to as much as £425 billion.

Through the progressive commodification of the means of social reproduction (education, health, welfare, etc.), the neoliberal state has engineered a social catastrophe. The goal is to finally destroy what remains of the Keynesian welfare state that emerged during the long post war boom, and replace it with a neoliberal "workfare" state.

Whereas the role of the state in the Keynesian model was to try to extend the social rights of its citizens, the "workfare" model is concerned to provide welfare services that benefit business, both national and international. The net result is that the needs of the individual/society will take second place to capital accumulation forever.

Permanent austerity is a class project under taken by states on behalf of the rich: it is theft pure and simple.
[quote][p][bold]mortandindi[/bold] wrote: Tossers. Austerity cuts are needed after the last labour governments attempts to put things right. stop whinging and get to work, work hard and if we all do that, the country will recover. there are too many wanting something for nothing in this country. stop benefits for those capable for work, we all know who they are, sort the lazy ******** out[/p][/quote]"mortandindi" refers to those of us who marched yesterday as "(t)ossers. The cuts she/he opinies "are needed after the last labour governments attempts to put things right." The "hard truth" is that the state (regardless of the government in office) has effectively declared war on society for the benefit of transnational corporations and the super rich. While the latter are protected (given open, free and unlimited access to all the best that our civilization has to offer; free to exercise their money power without responsibility or restraint), the rest of us are lectured about the virtues of "hard work", personal responsibility and subjected to permanent austerity. However, if we really want to understand what is happening, not only to UK but in the capitalist world in general, then we have to look beyond monied individuals (who should nevertheless be held to account) and look at the whole picture. As a world economic system capitalism is inherently and increasingly crisis prone: that's its “natural” state. In fact, since the 1970s the rate of crises has speeded up with crises regularly occurring throughout every decade. So, what does that mean for contemporary capitalism and the future of the welfare state.? According to David Harvey: A crisis is “(a)n irrational, rationalizer of an irrational system; the irrationality of the system right now being masses of capital and masses of labour side by side in the midst of a world that is full of social need. How stupid is that? The rationalization that capital is looking for is the re-establishment of the basis for the extraction of surpluses: to re-establish the profit rate. The irrationality in which they (capitalists) are going about this is to actually suppress these possibilities by suppressing labour and suppressing the circulation of capital. As socialists there is another way of rationalizing; the big question is how to take all that equipment and all that labour and put it together so that it meets human need? That is the rationality that we should be looking for right now, at a moment of crisis, at a moment of opportunity to think about the transition to socialism”. Make no mistake, austerity is a class project the aim of which is to roll back the advances made by working people for the further enrichment of the ruling class. Austerity isn't intended as a short/medium term measure, it is, as Cameron said, forever. Surrounded by the opulence of the Guildhall’s grandest room, Cameron addressed 900 rich and well-pampered guests enjoying a sumptuous banquet, courtesy of the City of London Corporation. He used the annual speech at the Lord Mayor’s Banquet to declare that the devastating austerity being imposed by his government will be “permanent.” Chancellor George Osborne’s Autumn Statement announced further billions in spending and welfare cuts. The “recovery” hailed by Osborne is actually the slowest in more than 100 years, with the economy more than 3 percent smaller than before the 2008 crash. The UK economy has only been able to remain afloat through a guarantee of cheap money via the £375 billion of quantitative easing that been made available to the banks. This could rise to as much as £425 billion. Through the progressive commodification of the means of social reproduction (education, health, welfare, etc.), the neoliberal state has engineered a social catastrophe. The goal is to finally destroy what remains of the Keynesian welfare state that emerged during the long post war boom, and replace it with a neoliberal "workfare" state. Whereas the role of the state in the Keynesian model was to try to extend the social rights of its citizens, the "workfare" model is concerned to provide welfare services that benefit business, both national and international. The net result is that the needs of the individual/society will take second place to capital accumulation forever. Permanent austerity is a class project under taken by states on behalf of the rich: it is theft pure and simple. Phil(ip) Hall
  • Score: -2114

12:38pm Sun 9 Mar 14

Priapus says...

Zetkin wrote:
It wasn't the unemployed, disabled, terminally-ill, the elderly, or the working poor who plunged the economy into crisis. It was super-rich bankers aided and abetted by their pals at Westminster.

It's not the unemployed, disabled, terminally-ill, the elderly, or the working poor who are wriggling out of paying £21 BILLION in taxes every year.

Yet the Liberals and Tories have decided that it's the unemployed, disabled, terminally-ill, the elderly, and the working poor who must pay for the greed and incompetence of the ruling class.

That's why yesterday's demo was so well-attended and well-received by thousands of others in York City centre. No amount of aggressive trolling from far-right apologists for the coalitions cruel and vindictive attacks will change that.
I'm getting bored of the lazy "it's all the fault of the bankers" explanation of the financial crisis. The fact is it had many causes and, yes, the bankers deserve a lot of the blame and a lot of the punishment. However, the simple truth is that we've been living beyond our means for years with most of us only too happy to binge on the cheap credit the banks gave or the cheap goods the Chinese produced.

The anti-austerity brigade refuse to accept any cuts to balance the books and believe that there's an almost infinite amount of money to be had by taxing 'the rich' and clamping down on tax avoidance. There may be a few billion a year to be had by doing this but it's not going to pay for the socialist utopia so many at yesterday's demo dream of.
[quote][p][bold]Zetkin[/bold] wrote: It wasn't the unemployed, disabled, terminally-ill, the elderly, or the working poor who plunged the economy into crisis. It was super-rich bankers aided and abetted by their pals at Westminster. It's not the unemployed, disabled, terminally-ill, the elderly, or the working poor who are wriggling out of paying £21 BILLION in taxes every year. Yet the Liberals and Tories have decided that it's the unemployed, disabled, terminally-ill, the elderly, and the working poor who must pay for the greed and incompetence of the ruling class. That's why yesterday's demo was so well-attended and well-received by thousands of others in York City centre. No amount of aggressive trolling from far-right apologists for the coalitions cruel and vindictive attacks will change that.[/p][/quote]I'm getting bored of the lazy "it's all the fault of the bankers" explanation of the financial crisis. The fact is it had many causes and, yes, the bankers deserve a lot of the blame and a lot of the punishment. However, the simple truth is that we've been living beyond our means for years with most of us only too happy to binge on the cheap credit the banks gave or the cheap goods the Chinese produced. The anti-austerity brigade refuse to accept any cuts to balance the books and believe that there's an almost infinite amount of money to be had by taxing 'the rich' and clamping down on tax avoidance. There may be a few billion a year to be had by doing this but it's not going to pay for the socialist utopia so many at yesterday's demo dream of. Priapus
  • Score: 1979

12:42pm Sun 9 Mar 14

timetoact says...

Phil(ip) Hall
Great words Phil, but on a global scale a fight could not be won.
Let's be real about this.
What passion has been shown in this country to look towards stopping the rot here?
Which party would do exactly that and take us forward? We don't always have to go up.
To enable everyone in the UK to be able to live a sustainable life the challenges have to made towards the politicians.
They won't point the finger at bankers, they'd lose too much money for their parties and themselves!
Everyone knows, even the bankers, that one payment from them to aid the deficit would do just that. So why hasn't it been done? Bad business, non profitable, against the grain, what….use our money to help the country to recover, unheard of….
We travel round in a shell on 4 wheels…who'd have thought it!
How can the people of this country ensure that this will change?
Make the politicians realise what power they actually hold. Make them work for us.
There are some who do some good, there really are. But they will unfortunately get caught up in their party politics and will have to 'tow the line'.
Once a politician moves towards the upper echelons of power they have to change their sight. That sight does not look back over their shoulders!
Fundamental changes need to be made. There are Trade Unionists, leaders of business and dare I say entrepreneurs, in this country, who, put together and challenged to meet the needs of all, would do a far better job than duly elected politicians….What a mess!
Phil(ip) Hall Great words Phil, but on a global scale a fight could not be won. Let's be real about this. What passion has been shown in this country to look towards stopping the rot here? Which party would do exactly that and take us forward? We don't always have to go up. To enable everyone in the UK to be able to live a sustainable life the challenges have to made towards the politicians. They won't point the finger at bankers, they'd lose too much money for their parties and themselves! Everyone knows, even the bankers, that one payment from them to aid the deficit would do just that. So why hasn't it been done? Bad business, non profitable, against the grain, what….use our money to help the country to recover, unheard of…. We travel round in a shell on 4 wheels…who'd have thought it! How can the people of this country ensure that this will change? Make the politicians realise what power they actually hold. Make them work for us. There are some who do some good, there really are. But they will unfortunately get caught up in their party politics and will have to 'tow the line'. Once a politician moves towards the upper echelons of power they have to change their sight. That sight does not look back over their shoulders! Fundamental changes need to be made. There are Trade Unionists, leaders of business and dare I say entrepreneurs, in this country, who, put together and challenged to meet the needs of all, would do a far better job than duly elected politicians….What a mess! timetoact
  • Score: 173

1:00pm Sun 9 Mar 14

timetoact says...

Priapus,
The Socialist Uptopia you say most of yesterdays marchers dream of would be the answer, again though, we need to be real.
Consecutive administrations make the mistake of trying to put things right in one term. It just can't be done.
If An England football manager can't turn a team around in 2 or 3 years then what chance has a government got of turning around a whole country!
Bad example maybe, but how about less of the egotistical chest puffing and insult slinging bull which takes away the true meaning of a great political system.
Yes changes, and dare I say some cuts, needed to have been made. The fact that its happened so quickly has proved to be disastrous for those on low income etc…Mainly no fault of their own yet they're left to scrape by, that just isn't right in 2014.
Too many people work hard and have nothing to show, not because of lifestyle, because of their own situation.
Danny Alexander said he'd raise the taxable allowance to £12k +……nice, but where is the money coming from for that? It sounds really good for those on low income but has he really thought about it? I doubt it. If he had then he'd have it in place now with the coalition!!!
I think a clear message needs to go out to all the politicians in this country as I believe that there is not a true belief in the government and the way it works.
I don't know what the outcome would be or what would happen next if on the next general election voting slips there actually was a box reading 'NONE OF THE ABOVE'
Answers to an offshore account in the Caymans please!
Priapus, The Socialist Uptopia you say most of yesterdays marchers dream of would be the answer, again though, we need to be real. Consecutive administrations make the mistake of trying to put things right in one term. It just can't be done. If An England football manager can't turn a team around in 2 or 3 years then what chance has a government got of turning around a whole country! Bad example maybe, but how about less of the egotistical chest puffing and insult slinging bull which takes away the true meaning of a great political system. Yes changes, and dare I say some cuts, needed to have been made. The fact that its happened so quickly has proved to be disastrous for those on low income etc…Mainly no fault of their own yet they're left to scrape by, that just isn't right in 2014. Too many people work hard and have nothing to show, not because of lifestyle, because of their own situation. Danny Alexander said he'd raise the taxable allowance to £12k +……nice, but where is the money coming from for that? It sounds really good for those on low income but has he really thought about it? I doubt it. If he had then he'd have it in place now with the coalition!!! I think a clear message needs to go out to all the politicians in this country as I believe that there is not a true belief in the government and the way it works. I don't know what the outcome would be or what would happen next if on the next general election voting slips there actually was a box reading 'NONE OF THE ABOVE' Answers to an offshore account in the Caymans please! timetoact
  • Score: 1000

1:52pm Sun 9 Mar 14

CaroleBaines says...

Zetkin wrote:
It wasn't the unemployed, disabled, terminally-ill, the elderly, or the working poor who plunged the economy into crisis. It was super-rich bankers aided and abetted by their pals at Westminster.

It's not the unemployed, disabled, terminally-ill, the elderly, or the working poor who are wriggling out of paying £21 BILLION in taxes every year.

Yet the Liberals and Tories have decided that it's the unemployed, disabled, terminally-ill, the elderly, and the working poor who must pay for the greed and incompetence of the ruling class.

That's why yesterday's demo was so well-attended and well-received by thousands of others in York City centre. No amount of aggressive trolling from far-right apologists for the coalitions cruel and vindictive attacks will change that.
Exactly. Every knee-jerk, Daily Mail believing, scrounger-blaming person read this and then spend 5 mins thinking why you dead wrong. Bravo Zetkin, top post.
[quote][p][bold]Zetkin[/bold] wrote: It wasn't the unemployed, disabled, terminally-ill, the elderly, or the working poor who plunged the economy into crisis. It was super-rich bankers aided and abetted by their pals at Westminster. It's not the unemployed, disabled, terminally-ill, the elderly, or the working poor who are wriggling out of paying £21 BILLION in taxes every year. Yet the Liberals and Tories have decided that it's the unemployed, disabled, terminally-ill, the elderly, and the working poor who must pay for the greed and incompetence of the ruling class. That's why yesterday's demo was so well-attended and well-received by thousands of others in York City centre. No amount of aggressive trolling from far-right apologists for the coalitions cruel and vindictive attacks will change that.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Every knee-jerk, Daily Mail believing, scrounger-blaming person read this and then spend 5 mins thinking why you dead wrong. Bravo Zetkin, top post. CaroleBaines
  • Score: 11

2:01pm Sun 9 Mar 14

wimtroch says...

Mortandindi, you're absolutely correct; stop whingeing, stop protesting, start working, stop scrounging off the system, and then maybe, just maybe we can rectify what Labour so skillfully destroyed during their 13 years in power, what with illegal wars which have cost the country billions and good days to bury bad news etc. etc. There are too many people in York, in the North who think the world owes them a living while they claim to be poor but in the meantime spend their money on fags, Sky, booze, pets etc. etc.
Mortandindi, you're absolutely correct; stop whingeing, stop protesting, start working, stop scrounging off the system, and then maybe, just maybe we can rectify what Labour so skillfully destroyed during their 13 years in power, what with illegal wars which have cost the country billions and good days to bury bad news etc. etc. There are too many people in York, in the North who think the world owes them a living while they claim to be poor but in the meantime spend their money on fags, Sky, booze, pets etc. etc. wimtroch
  • Score: 1261

2:24pm Sun 9 Mar 14

mmarshal says...

Nice to see there's something that will open Lendal Bridge to all traffic. However CYC strike again - let the locals know through Radio York, etc but we'll keep it secret from the tourists.
The restriction signs on the approach roads were not covered. It was not until you reached Lendal Bridge that the restriction sign was covered up.
CYC can't have it both ways. They insist that the approach signposting is adequate to stop drivers getting onto Museum Street, yet on a day when the restriction is lifted none of the so-called clear approach signposting was covered.
Nice to see there's something that will open Lendal Bridge to all traffic. However CYC strike again - let the locals know through Radio York, etc but we'll keep it secret from the tourists. The restriction signs on the approach roads were not covered. It was not until you reached Lendal Bridge that the restriction sign was covered up. CYC can't have it both ways. They insist that the approach signposting is adequate to stop drivers getting onto Museum Street, yet on a day when the restriction is lifted none of the so-called clear approach signposting was covered. mmarshal
  • Score: 886

3:11pm Sun 9 Mar 14

MouseHouse says...

yorklabourcouncilsuc
ks
wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
Zetkin wrote:
It wasn't the unemployed, disabled, terminally-ill, the elderly, or the working poor who plunged the economy into crisis. It was super-rich bankers aided and abetted by their pals at Westminster.

It's not the unemployed, disabled, terminally-ill, the elderly, or the working poor who are wriggling out of paying £21 BILLION in taxes every year.

Yet the Liberals and Tories have decided that it's the unemployed, disabled, terminally-ill, the elderly, and the working poor who must pay for the greed and incompetence of the ruling class.

That's why yesterday's demo was so well-attended and well-received by thousands of others in York City centre. No amount of aggressive trolling from far-right apologists for the coalitions cruel and vindictive attacks will change that.
Exactly. Every knee-jerk, Daily Mail believing, scrounger-blaming person read this and then spend 5 mins thinking why you dead wrong. Bravo Zetkin, top post.
socialist retards like you need to be deleted from society

you have no concept of economics or life
And there we have it. If you don't fit the pre-ordained image of the right they want you "deleted from society". What an utterly abhorrent comment.

You Sir or Madam are using the language of fascism.

Whenever your fellow bigots in the EDL, EVF, BNP or National Front march, I for one will do all i can to stand up for those they target.

You are entitled to your views because we live in a reasonably free society, you are not entitled to call for those you disagree with to be "deleted from society".
[quote][p][bold]yorklabourcouncilsuc ks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zetkin[/bold] wrote: It wasn't the unemployed, disabled, terminally-ill, the elderly, or the working poor who plunged the economy into crisis. It was super-rich bankers aided and abetted by their pals at Westminster. It's not the unemployed, disabled, terminally-ill, the elderly, or the working poor who are wriggling out of paying £21 BILLION in taxes every year. Yet the Liberals and Tories have decided that it's the unemployed, disabled, terminally-ill, the elderly, and the working poor who must pay for the greed and incompetence of the ruling class. That's why yesterday's demo was so well-attended and well-received by thousands of others in York City centre. No amount of aggressive trolling from far-right apologists for the coalitions cruel and vindictive attacks will change that.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Every knee-jerk, Daily Mail believing, scrounger-blaming person read this and then spend 5 mins thinking why you dead wrong. Bravo Zetkin, top post.[/p][/quote]socialist retards like you need to be deleted from society you have no concept of economics or life[/p][/quote]And there we have it. If you don't fit the pre-ordained image of the right they want you "deleted from society". What an utterly abhorrent comment. You Sir or Madam are using the language of fascism. Whenever your fellow bigots in the EDL, EVF, BNP or National Front march, I for one will do all i can to stand up for those they target. You are entitled to your views because we live in a reasonably free society, you are not entitled to call for those you disagree with to be "deleted from society". MouseHouse
  • Score: 17

5:22pm Sun 9 Mar 14

spiritofyork says...

The Left is not welcome in York and that feeling was vocalised so many times yesterday...the heckling from the onlookers was very impressive. Also, why should we have to sit stationary in our cars for these losers to WALK on OUR ROADS? Can't they use pavements or do their childish protest on the Knavesmire???
The Left is not welcome in York and that feeling was vocalised so many times yesterday...the heckling from the onlookers was very impressive. Also, why should we have to sit stationary in our cars for these losers to WALK on OUR ROADS? Can't they use pavements or do their childish protest on the Knavesmire??? spiritofyork
  • Score: 655

5:27pm Sun 9 Mar 14

MikeyMoo says...

yorklabourcouncilsuc
ks...
Go to the library and read "The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism " by Naomi Kline. It was an eye-opener for me. Be your persuasion be to the left or to the right or indeed totally middle of the road. This makes for very good reading.
yorklabourcouncilsuc ks... Go to the library and read "The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism " by Naomi Kline. It was an eye-opener for me. Be your persuasion be to the left or to the right or indeed totally middle of the road. This makes for very good reading. MikeyMoo
  • Score: 4

6:05pm Sun 9 Mar 14

MouseHouse says...

spiritofyork wrote:
The Left is not welcome in York and that feeling was vocalised so many times yesterday...the heckling from the onlookers was very impressive. Also, why should we have to sit stationary in our cars for these losers to WALK on OUR ROADS? Can't they use pavements or do their childish protest on the Knavesmire???
On the march yesterday I heard no booing whatsoever. On the contrary I heard applause, car horns hooting, people waving and giving thumbs up.

I walked on the roads as I am legally entitled to, in the same way as the Orange Lodge marched in York a couple of years ago.

(p.s. The best way to heckle is to laugh at the marchers, not to boo.)
[quote][p][bold]spiritofyork[/bold] wrote: The Left is not welcome in York and that feeling was vocalised so many times yesterday...the heckling from the onlookers was very impressive. Also, why should we have to sit stationary in our cars for these losers to WALK on OUR ROADS? Can't they use pavements or do their childish protest on the Knavesmire???[/p][/quote]On the march yesterday I heard no booing whatsoever. On the contrary I heard applause, car horns hooting, people waving and giving thumbs up. I walked on the roads as I am legally entitled to, in the same way as the Orange Lodge marched in York a couple of years ago. (p.s. The best way to heckle is to laugh at the marchers, not to boo.) MouseHouse
  • Score: 17

7:12pm Sun 9 Mar 14

bjb says...

I have enough money to live on, but was proud to march yesterday. There was no booing I was aware of just support. The march was not all lefties or trotskies, just ordinary people standing up for what they believe in, many of whom were elderly or disabled. I marched particularly because I believed what the liberals did after the last general election was a travesty of democracy. They produced a manifesto which attracted many votes. They then sold their souls to the devil to get LibDem bums in the government benches. They turned their backs on all who voted for them for the sake of self gratification and column inches in history books.

They should have put the situation back into the hands of the electorate and fought another based on truth and integrity. The Tories should have had to fight their campaign on the depth of the austerity they envisaged. The outcome would have been a lot different.

Deficit reduction is a red herring. It was purely a destruction of the welfare system and privatisation of public services that is all they were interested in. I was born in the latter stages of the Second World War. A war that heaped a massive debt of the our country. We needed to rebuild and rebuild we did. Not by screwing the poor, but by spending on construction and manufacturing. Jobs were created, the NHS expanded and in the words of Harold Macmillan 'we never had it so good'. It took fifty years to pay off the war debt, but in the mean time, GB became prosperous, our standard of living improved and we ended up with money left at the end of the week, not the other way round.

With the LibDems help the coalition have been trying to achieve this in a few years.

The coming euro, local and general elections will show what the voters feel about their two faced principals and they will be wiped out. The Eton posh boys have had their day, but they won't be bothered as they will already have their seats booked on the boards of banks or power companies, if they aren't there already.
I have enough money to live on, but was proud to march yesterday. There was no booing I was aware of just support. The march was not all lefties or trotskies, just ordinary people standing up for what they believe in, many of whom were elderly or disabled. I marched particularly because I believed what the liberals did after the last general election was a travesty of democracy. They produced a manifesto which attracted many votes. They then sold their souls to the devil to get LibDem bums in the government benches. They turned their backs on all who voted for them for the sake of self gratification and column inches in history books. They should have put the situation back into the hands of the electorate and fought another based on truth and integrity. The Tories should have had to fight their campaign on the depth of the austerity they envisaged. The outcome would have been a lot different. Deficit reduction is a red herring. It was purely a destruction of the welfare system and privatisation of public services that is all they were interested in. I was born in the latter stages of the Second World War. A war that heaped a massive debt of the our country. We needed to rebuild and rebuild we did. Not by screwing the poor, but by spending on construction and manufacturing. Jobs were created, the NHS expanded and in the words of Harold Macmillan 'we never had it so good'. It took fifty years to pay off the war debt, but in the mean time, GB became prosperous, our standard of living improved and we ended up with money left at the end of the week, not the other way round. With the LibDems help the coalition have been trying to achieve this in a few years. The coming euro, local and general elections will show what the voters feel about their two faced principals and they will be wiped out. The Eton posh boys have had their day, but they won't be bothered as they will already have their seats booked on the boards of banks or power companies, if they aren't there already. bjb
  • Score: 18

7:18pm Sun 9 Mar 14

geoff tibletts says...

So I agree with a comment that gets nearly +1000 and I get -250 how do you work that one out.there is a real weirdo loose on the press web site.
So I agree with a comment that gets nearly +1000 and I get -250 how do you work that one out.there is a real weirdo loose on the press web site. geoff tibletts
  • Score: 7

8:42pm Sun 9 Mar 14

CaroleBaines says...

geoff tibletts wrote:
So I agree with a comment that gets nearly +1000 and I get -250 how do you work that one out.there is a real weirdo loose on the press web site.
Only one!!?
[quote][p][bold]geoff tibletts[/bold] wrote: So I agree with a comment that gets nearly +1000 and I get -250 how do you work that one out.there is a real weirdo loose on the press web site.[/p][/quote]Only one!!? CaroleBaines
  • Score: 14

10:53pm Sun 9 Mar 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

CaroleBaines wrote:
geoff tibletts wrote:
So I agree with a comment that gets nearly +1000 and I get -250 how do you work that one out.there is a real weirdo loose on the press web site.
Only one!!?
:-D 10/10
[quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff tibletts[/bold] wrote: So I agree with a comment that gets nearly +1000 and I get -250 how do you work that one out.there is a real weirdo loose on the press web site.[/p][/quote]Only one!!?[/p][/quote]:-D 10/10 Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: -2

11:25pm Sun 9 Mar 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

I saw the march pass by a couple of times. Objectively. After the waste of millions of peoples' efforts worldwide in 2003 for the anti-war protest it seemed a waste of time.

I watched.

I saw lots of union members. Contrary to the right-wing daily wailing that is going on here, I'd say it's a sure thing that union members are workers. There ain't no Union of Claimants!
"The JobSeekers Allowance Union" - it just can't exist.

There were firemen and care workers - where the fook would we be without firemen and care workers??? Worth a hundred lying politicians each of them.

I also saw the elderly, I saw children and many in wheelchairs. This was not a collection of wasters and hippies and scroungers, this was a cross section of society.

My friend from London texted to see if I had been hurt - apparently a protest means a riot to her - what I saw was people having a say.

It was interesting to watch, impartially, from the touchline. I don't think it will achieve diddly squat, for sure the conference attendees move in such a different circle as to allow themselves to be bemused but remain totally unaffected.

I know this for sure though - coming on here and kneejerking some rhetoric about scroungers and get to work or whatever you heard or read somewhere without the benefit of first-hand knowledge makes you look prejudiced and thick.
I saw the march pass by a couple of times. Objectively. After the waste of millions of peoples' efforts worldwide in 2003 for the anti-war protest it seemed a waste of time. I watched. I saw lots of union members. Contrary to the right-wing daily wailing that is going on here, I'd say it's a sure thing that union members are workers. There ain't no Union of Claimants! "The JobSeekers Allowance Union" - it just can't exist. There were firemen and care workers - where the fook would we be without firemen and care workers??? Worth a hundred lying politicians each of them. I also saw the elderly, I saw children and many in wheelchairs. This was not a collection of wasters and hippies and scroungers, this was a cross section of society. My friend from London texted to see if I had been hurt - apparently a protest means a riot to her - what I saw was people having a say. It was interesting to watch, impartially, from the touchline. I don't think it will achieve diddly squat, for sure the conference attendees move in such a different circle as to allow themselves to be bemused but remain totally unaffected. I know this for sure though - coming on here and kneejerking some rhetoric about scroungers and get to work or whatever you heard or read somewhere without the benefit of first-hand knowledge makes you look prejudiced and thick. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: -2

11:46pm Sun 9 Mar 14

chunks says...

yorklabourcouncilsuc
ks
wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
Zetkin wrote:
It wasn't the unemployed, disabled, terminally-ill, the elderly, or the working poor who plunged the economy into crisis. It was super-rich bankers aided and abetted by their pals at Westminster.

It's not the unemployed, disabled, terminally-ill, the elderly, or the working poor who are wriggling out of paying £21 BILLION in taxes every year.

Yet the Liberals and Tories have decided that it's the unemployed, disabled, terminally-ill, the elderly, and the working poor who must pay for the greed and incompetence of the ruling class.

That's why yesterday's demo was so well-attended and well-received by thousands of others in York City centre. No amount of aggressive trolling from far-right apologists for the coalitions cruel and vindictive attacks will change that.
Exactly. Every knee-jerk, Daily Mail believing, scrounger-blaming person read this and then spend 5 mins thinking why you dead wrong. Bravo Zetkin, top post.
socialist retards like you need to be deleted from society

you have no concept of economics or life
Troll alert.

Wasn't getting rid of "retards" (as you so charmingly put it) what the Nazis tried to do?
[quote][p][bold]yorklabourcouncilsuc ks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zetkin[/bold] wrote: It wasn't the unemployed, disabled, terminally-ill, the elderly, or the working poor who plunged the economy into crisis. It was super-rich bankers aided and abetted by their pals at Westminster. It's not the unemployed, disabled, terminally-ill, the elderly, or the working poor who are wriggling out of paying £21 BILLION in taxes every year. Yet the Liberals and Tories have decided that it's the unemployed, disabled, terminally-ill, the elderly, and the working poor who must pay for the greed and incompetence of the ruling class. That's why yesterday's demo was so well-attended and well-received by thousands of others in York City centre. No amount of aggressive trolling from far-right apologists for the coalitions cruel and vindictive attacks will change that.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Every knee-jerk, Daily Mail believing, scrounger-blaming person read this and then spend 5 mins thinking why you dead wrong. Bravo Zetkin, top post.[/p][/quote]socialist retards like you need to be deleted from society you have no concept of economics or life[/p][/quote]Troll alert. Wasn't getting rid of "retards" (as you so charmingly put it) what the Nazis tried to do? chunks
  • Score: 17

2:04am Mon 10 Mar 14

Badgers Drift says...

MouseHouse wrote:
spiritofyork wrote: The Left is not welcome in York and that feeling was vocalised so many times yesterday...the heckling from the onlookers was very impressive. Also, why should we have to sit stationary in our cars for these losers to WALK on OUR ROADS? Can't they use pavements or do their childish protest on the Knavesmire???
On the march yesterday I heard no booing whatsoever. On the contrary I heard applause, car horns hooting, people waving and giving thumbs up. I walked on the roads as I am legally entitled to, in the same way as the Orange Lodge marched in York a couple of years ago. (p.s. The best way to heckle is to laugh at the marchers, not to boo.)
Of course they did....
[quote][p][bold]MouseHouse[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spiritofyork[/bold] wrote: The Left is not welcome in York and that feeling was vocalised so many times yesterday...the heckling from the onlookers was very impressive. Also, why should we have to sit stationary in our cars for these losers to WALK on OUR ROADS? Can't they use pavements or do their childish protest on the Knavesmire???[/p][/quote]On the march yesterday I heard no booing whatsoever. On the contrary I heard applause, car horns hooting, people waving and giving thumbs up. I walked on the roads as I am legally entitled to, in the same way as the Orange Lodge marched in York a couple of years ago. (p.s. The best way to heckle is to laugh at the marchers, not to boo.)[/p][/quote]Of course they did.... Badgers Drift
  • Score: 607

7:44am Mon 10 Mar 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
MouseHouse wrote:
spiritofyork wrote: The Left is not welcome in York and that feeling was vocalised so many times yesterday...the heckling from the onlookers was very impressive. Also, why should we have to sit stationary in our cars for these losers to WALK on OUR ROADS? Can't they use pavements or do their childish protest on the Knavesmire???
On the march yesterday I heard no booing whatsoever. On the contrary I heard applause, car horns hooting, people waving and giving thumbs up. I walked on the roads as I am legally entitled to, in the same way as the Orange Lodge marched in York a couple of years ago. (p.s. The best way to heckle is to laugh at the marchers, not to boo.)
Of course they did....
Were you there?
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MouseHouse[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spiritofyork[/bold] wrote: The Left is not welcome in York and that feeling was vocalised so many times yesterday...the heckling from the onlookers was very impressive. Also, why should we have to sit stationary in our cars for these losers to WALK on OUR ROADS? Can't they use pavements or do their childish protest on the Knavesmire???[/p][/quote]On the march yesterday I heard no booing whatsoever. On the contrary I heard applause, car horns hooting, people waving and giving thumbs up. I walked on the roads as I am legally entitled to, in the same way as the Orange Lodge marched in York a couple of years ago. (p.s. The best way to heckle is to laugh at the marchers, not to boo.)[/p][/quote]Of course they did....[/p][/quote]Were you there? Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: -3

10:33am Mon 10 Mar 14

asd says...

eeoodares wrote:
Bill Adams, regional secretary of Yorkshire and Humber TUC, said "...but when you have tax cuts for millionaires at the same time as people are relying on food banks, it does not cut it."

Brilliant, every study has shown that a cut in tax for higher rate tax payers generates MORE money to the exchequer, a fact that even Labour acknowledges, these people still want to try to raise these taxes to 'send a message'... what is that message?
Where is your proof that lower tax for the rich brings more jobs and is better for all? was it the daily mail or government spin, please divulge this independent study.
[quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: Bill Adams, regional secretary of Yorkshire and Humber TUC, said "...but when you have tax cuts for millionaires at the same time as people are relying on food banks, it does not cut it." Brilliant, every study has shown that a cut in tax for higher rate tax payers generates MORE money to the exchequer, a fact that even Labour acknowledges, these people still want to try to raise these taxes to 'send a message'... what is that message?[/p][/quote]Where is your proof that lower tax for the rich brings more jobs and is better for all? was it the daily mail or government spin, please divulge this independent study. asd
  • Score: 10

11:00am Mon 10 Mar 14

Blythespirit says...

There seems to have been some heavy duty trolling on this article. The Press moderators need to have a look at some of the figures...
There seems to have been some heavy duty trolling on this article. The Press moderators need to have a look at some of the figures... Blythespirit
  • Score: 8

11:48am Mon 10 Mar 14

meme says...

So what is the solution to cuts
Labour bust us and we have to balance the books and I would prefer being in UK to Spain/Greece Italy etc where they are completely desperate and indeed starving in some instances.
it may not be pleasant but we are better than most in EU
If there is a better solution to cuts tell us what it is.
Soaking the rich drives away employers to other countries so that's not an option. Raising taxes on companies makes employers go elsewhere so that's not an answer. Too high a minimum wage and we become uncompetitive so that's not an answer
I will go with another solution if its realistic
So what is the solution to cuts Labour bust us and we have to balance the books and I would prefer being in UK to Spain/Greece Italy etc where they are completely desperate and indeed starving in some instances. it may not be pleasant but we are better than most in EU If there is a better solution to cuts tell us what it is. Soaking the rich drives away employers to other countries so that's not an option. Raising taxes on companies makes employers go elsewhere so that's not an answer. Too high a minimum wage and we become uncompetitive so that's not an answer I will go with another solution if its realistic meme
  • Score: -4

1:11pm Mon 10 Mar 14

greenmonkey says...

A better solution is to scrap Trident and HS2 and invest the money in job creating work to insulate our houses, build infrastructure to make us more resilient to the extreme weather seen in the south this winter upgrade our existing ageing rail network. Big vanity projects create jobs but nowhere near as much as the same money invested in cutting the cost of heating our homes, defending our houses from costly impact of floods etc Trident is a complete waste now - warheads are trundled up and down the country risking nuclear contamination yet Putin is completely oblivious to any 'deterrent' walking into Crimea when he feels like it - Neither side in their right mind would use these horrendous weapons - we know from Chernobyl that radiation spreads west as well as east.
A better solution is to scrap Trident and HS2 and invest the money in job creating work to insulate our houses, build infrastructure to make us more resilient to the extreme weather seen in the south this winter upgrade our existing ageing rail network. Big vanity projects create jobs but nowhere near as much as the same money invested in cutting the cost of heating our homes, defending our houses from costly impact of floods etc Trident is a complete waste now - warheads are trundled up and down the country risking nuclear contamination yet Putin is completely oblivious to any 'deterrent' walking into Crimea when he feels like it - Neither side in their right mind would use these horrendous weapons - we know from Chernobyl that radiation spreads west as well as east. greenmonkey
  • Score: 9

2:40pm Mon 10 Mar 14

stu3466 says...

mortandindi wrote:
Tossers. Austerity cuts are needed after the last labour governments attempts to put things right. stop whinging and get to work, work hard and if we all do that, the country will recover. there are too many wanting something for nothing in this country. stop benefits for those capable for work, we all know who they are, sort the lazy ******** out
tosser
[quote][p][bold]mortandindi[/bold] wrote: Tossers. Austerity cuts are needed after the last labour governments attempts to put things right. stop whinging and get to work, work hard and if we all do that, the country will recover. there are too many wanting something for nothing in this country. stop benefits for those capable for work, we all know who they are, sort the lazy ******** out[/p][/quote]tosser stu3466
  • Score: 5

3:08pm Mon 10 Mar 14

spiritofyork says...

why shouldn't the rich, the bankers and the corporations get on and be treated well? They make all the money after all...what do the low paid, the single parents, the students, the permanently sick and unemployed contribute? Nothing..so why should they get something???? WE help YOU LOT out so be thankful some of us put effort into society. Without us you would be worse off.
why shouldn't the rich, the bankers and the corporations get on and be treated well? They make all the money after all...what do the low paid, the single parents, the students, the permanently sick and unemployed contribute? Nothing..so why should they get something???? WE help YOU LOT out so be thankful some of us put effort into society. Without us you would be worse off. spiritofyork
  • Score: -12

3:28pm Mon 10 Mar 14

shanker10 says...

As a 75 year old pensioner I would like to thank everyone who marched on Saturday who care enough to defend the NHS and the welfare state.
As a 75 year old pensioner I would like to thank everyone who marched on Saturday who care enough to defend the NHS and the welfare state. shanker10
  • Score: 7

3:37pm Mon 10 Mar 14

shanker10 says...

spiritofyork wrote:
why shouldn't the rich, the bankers and the corporations get on and be treated well? They make all the money after all...what do the low paid, the single parents, the students, the permanently sick and unemployed contribute? Nothing..so why should they get something???? WE help YOU LOT out so be thankful some of us put effort into society. Without us you would be worse off.
The most stupid post I have seen on this topic, shame on you.
[quote][p][bold]spiritofyork[/bold] wrote: why shouldn't the rich, the bankers and the corporations get on and be treated well? They make all the money after all...what do the low paid, the single parents, the students, the permanently sick and unemployed contribute? Nothing..so why should they get something???? WE help YOU LOT out so be thankful some of us put effort into society. Without us you would be worse off.[/p][/quote]The most stupid post I have seen on this topic, shame on you. shanker10
  • Score: 13

7:41pm Mon 10 Mar 14

PKH says...

I note the vote riggers have been at it again, it's about time The Press sorted it
I note the vote riggers have been at it again, it's about time The Press sorted it PKH
  • Score: -44

7:44pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Kelvar says...

PKH wrote:
I note the vote riggers have been at it again, it's about time The Press sorted it
I am so sick of the positive/negative troll on the Press pages, I'm going to ignore any voting until it's sorted.......
[quote][p][bold]PKH[/bold] wrote: I note the vote riggers have been at it again, it's about time The Press sorted it[/p][/quote]I am so sick of the positive/negative troll on the Press pages, I'm going to ignore any voting until it's sorted....... Kelvar
  • Score: -188

2:11am Tue 11 Mar 14

Magicman! says...

PKH wrote:
I note the vote riggers have been at it again, it's about time The Press sorted it
Indeed... far too much support going for "get off their lazy butts and work" type comments going on here. Either the vote rigger is working overtime or York is full of stupid brainwashed morons who believe all the Daily Wail / The Scum propoganda that the poor are at fault for being poor because they are poor and 'just dont work hard enough'. A lot of people are working all the hours God gives them, saving where possible, trying to buy a house, and feed their families that they had in better economic times, and yet are still poor and having to receive benefit top-ups which are now being cut because our loving caring government want to give tax breaks to their elite friends with Scrooge McDuck style swimming pools of money.
And heaven help these poorer people if they need legal advice, as there won't be any legal aid for them as that's being cut back massively; and if they get ill, it might be a good idea to get really badly ill now before the government adopts the American style system of private companies and health insurance; and whilst we're at it, it might be an idea to somehow bulk-buy electricity and gas before that goes up in price again whilst the Tories send their version of Henry Kissenger to the big energy firms to say "your prices are a little bit too much", "so, we don't care", "oh well, just saying that's all"; and also, it might be a good idea to get any kids these people have into school now, because no doubt the tories have some plan on the table of privatising those off to the highest bidder.... who'll then charge every child per textbook they use, or laptop/ipad, for how long they occupy space in the lunchroom, and so on
[quote][p][bold]PKH[/bold] wrote: I note the vote riggers have been at it again, it's about time The Press sorted it[/p][/quote]Indeed... far too much support going for "get off their lazy butts and work" type comments going on here. Either the vote rigger is working overtime or York is full of stupid brainwashed morons who believe all the Daily Wail / The Scum propoganda that the poor are at fault for being poor because they are poor and 'just dont work hard enough'. A lot of people are working all the hours God gives them, saving where possible, trying to buy a house, and feed their families that they had in better economic times, and yet are still poor and having to receive benefit top-ups which are now being cut because our loving caring government want to give tax breaks to their elite friends with Scrooge McDuck style swimming pools of money. And heaven help these poorer people if they need legal advice, as there won't be any legal aid for them as that's being cut back massively; and if they get ill, it might be a good idea to get really badly ill now before the government adopts the American style system of private companies and health insurance; and whilst we're at it, it might be an idea to somehow bulk-buy electricity and gas before that goes up in price again whilst the Tories send their version of Henry Kissenger to the big energy firms to say "your prices are a little bit too much", "so, we don't care", "oh well, just saying that's all"; and also, it might be a good idea to get any kids these people have into school now, because no doubt the tories have some plan on the table of privatising those off to the highest bidder.... who'll then charge every child per textbook they use, or laptop/ipad, for how long they occupy space in the lunchroom, and so on Magicman!
  • Score: 3

1:12pm Sat 15 Mar 14

PositiveFootball says...

York Fox wrote:
What do we want!? Services we aren't willing to pay for! When do we want them!? When we've found someone else to pay for them!
There is no way that this post could get so many votes - even if it made some sense!

Is there an app' that controls the voting? Surely the Pess are able to get to the bottom of this?
[quote][p][bold]York Fox[/bold] wrote: What do we want!? Services we aren't willing to pay for! When do we want them!? When we've found someone else to pay for them![/p][/quote]There is no way that this post could get so many votes - even if it made some sense! Is there an app' that controls the voting? Surely the Pess are able to get to the bottom of this? PositiveFootball
  • Score: 0

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