Wentworth Street Car Park decision to be made by planning committee

York Press: Malton and Norton Town councillors, shopkeepers and residents, protest against the Wentworth Street car park supermarket proposals outside a full meeting of Ryedale District Council Malton and Norton Town councillors, shopkeepers and residents, protest against the Wentworth Street car park supermarket proposals outside a full meeting of Ryedale District Council

A BID to change who will decide on controversial plans to develop a superstore and petrol station on the Wentworth Street Car Park in Malton has been rejected.

A motion to have any plans voted on by the whole of Ryedale District Council rather than leave it to a planning committee were thrown out, but only by a margin of three votes.

Supporters of the move argued at a full council meeting it was not right to leave such a contentious issue to the council’s planning committee, where members of Malton and Norton were under-represented.

But opponents branded the move as an insult to members of the committee.

There was concern such a move could lead to more expensive legal arguments.

The motion was put forward by Coun Paul Andrews and seconded by Coun Lindsay Burr. It was defeated by 15 votes to 12.

Before the meeting, more than 30 people protested outside with placards saying “Save Our Shops”.

They included councillors, traders, residents and representatives of Fitzwilliam (Malton) Estate which has had a rival application to develop the livestock market approved by a planning inspector following a public inquiry.

The chairman, Coun Janet Frank, stressed the debate should not be about the merits of the application but should focus on whether it was appropriate for the full council to discuss the issue rather than the planning committee.

Coun Andrews said the plan would affect the whole district and its towns, not just Malton and Norton.

He said it would not be appropriate to leave the issue to the planning committee which had only one member from Malton and Norton while the two towns had a quarter of the population of Ryedale.

Coun Burr said as it involved selling one of the council’s assets, which would raise a considerable amount of money, it would be more democratic for all the district’s councillors to take the decision.

She said: “It is so important it is seen by the public that this process is as open and as transparent as possible.”

Meanwhile, the chairmanship of Ryedale District Council’s planning committee was called into question at the meeting of the full council.

Coun John Clark asked Coun John Raper if he had re-considered his position as chairman.

The chairman has come under fire from critics over the way he has handled applications such as the plan to develop Wentworth Street Car Park in Malton and a proposed large development in Kirkbymoorside.

But Coun Raper hit back, saying he was chairman until May 14 this year. That is when the full council would consider appointments to the different committees.

“It will be up to members to decide whether I continue or not. I am staying where I am and I see no reason why not,” he said.

When Coun Clark queried whether Coun Raper, who is a Conservative, had the confidence of the full council and the general public he retorted: “I cannot comment on the second one and I am certain I have a great deal of confidence from my own group.”

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9:59am Sat 8 Mar 14

yorkguy says...

Where do you start! it make me so mad that the people of Malton are so small minded! I'm not a huge fan of supermarkets but even I can see what good this development will bring!!

A present you have a huge carpark which is underused, people travel from malton to York and Scarborough to shop and never even visit their own town centre, instead spending at monks cross ect!

This new supermarket will give you more parking with 3 hours free!!! enough time for people to shop and then visit the town centre! I as in Darlington last week and the new large sainsburys in their town centre does the same, so like many I shopped and then went for a look in darlington and yes the shops have seen a large increase in trade staying local!

Now with a huge housing scheme being built on Broughton Road and many more houses going up around Malton, I think another supermarket is needed!! morrisons can't cope and forcing all this extra traffic through town when they could shop at wentworth would be madness!

Just let them build this and nobody will loose! without it malton will continue to die and people will Just pop to the nearby ever expanding Monks Cross!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Where do you start! it make me so mad that the people of Malton are so small minded! I'm not a huge fan of supermarkets but even I can see what good this development will bring!! A present you have a huge carpark which is underused, people travel from malton to York and Scarborough to shop and never even visit their own town centre, instead spending at monks cross ect! This new supermarket will give you more parking with 3 hours free!!! enough time for people to shop and then visit the town centre! I as in Darlington last week and the new large sainsburys in their town centre does the same, so like many I shopped and then went for a look in darlington and yes the shops have seen a large increase in trade staying local! Now with a huge housing scheme being built on Broughton Road and many more houses going up around Malton, I think another supermarket is needed!! morrisons can't cope and forcing all this extra traffic through town when they could shop at wentworth would be madness! Just let them build this and nobody will loose! without it malton will continue to die and people will Just pop to the nearby ever expanding Monks Cross!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! yorkguy
  • Score: 19

10:34am Sat 8 Mar 14

dctyke says...

Fitzwilliam Estates tell people to protest and they protest. Malton is run like a mini fiefdom, just look at all the empty shops in the mainstreet. All empty because of Fitzwilliam excessive rents. Build the supermarket!!!!!
Fitzwilliam Estates tell people to protest and they protest. Malton is run like a mini fiefdom, just look at all the empty shops in the mainstreet. All empty because of Fitzwilliam excessive rents. Build the supermarket!!!!! dctyke
  • Score: 19

2:30pm Sat 8 Mar 14

baileyuk says...

Malton does not need another supermarket, especially on Wentworth street..
there is already a morrisons, lidl asda and a small sainsburys,, if the council could be arsed and take a census of those people that use the stores I would estimate that less then 30% of the custom are from locals,, most is passing , or folk who call in as they work around Malton ect. just look at the congestion Morrisons brings into the town and of the course the request by the council to turn engine off when stationary is a admittance of congestion so why the hell double it?? fact is majority of those who use the supermarkest do so using a car so why not move a high percentage of traffic away from the town centre to either of the 2 industrial estates on the edges of town, which have far better access routes for cars, delivery lorries and even buses that may help with residents of surrounding villages. and we all know the planning commitee bring their own interests into the equation.
Malton does not need another supermarket, especially on Wentworth street.. there is already a morrisons, lidl asda and a small sainsburys,, if the council could be arsed and take a census of those people that use the stores I would estimate that less then 30% of the custom are from locals,, most is passing , or folk who call in as they work around Malton ect. just look at the congestion Morrisons brings into the town and of the course the request by the council to turn engine off when stationary is a admittance of congestion so why the hell double it?? fact is majority of those who use the supermarkest do so using a car so why not move a high percentage of traffic away from the town centre to either of the 2 industrial estates on the edges of town, which have far better access routes for cars, delivery lorries and even buses that may help with residents of surrounding villages. and we all know the planning commitee bring their own interests into the equation. baileyuk
  • Score: -10

4:28pm Sat 8 Mar 14

Maltonian says...

So 30 people came to protest - not very representative of the 13000 population of Malton and Norton. I wonder how many of these actually live in the town anyway? It's right and proper that the planning committee should decide a planning issue, so Ryedale got that right at least. Let's hope they get the planning decision right and allow this development to finally proceed.
There is much talk of a "high end" supermarket on the cattle market site - firstly, no operator has apparently signed up to occupy this, and secondly most of the population can't afford to shop in a high end supermarket.
I agree with "baileyuk" - what we really need is a decent sized superstore away from the centre - I would suggest one near the Old Malton interchange off the A64. But, hey, this is Malton - that will never happen. So we have to hope for a small supermarket on a disused car park in the town centre.
"Yorkguy" is right when he talks about small minded people in Malton - I would add "self-interested" to that description, and also to keep it in perspective, it's 30 out of 13000. The other 12970 will no doubt be customers of the new store.
So 30 people came to protest - not very representative of the 13000 population of Malton and Norton. I wonder how many of these actually live in the town anyway? It's right and proper that the planning committee should decide a planning issue, so Ryedale got that right at least. Let's hope they get the planning decision right and allow this development to finally proceed. There is much talk of a "high end" supermarket on the cattle market site - firstly, no operator has apparently signed up to occupy this, and secondly most of the population can't afford to shop in a high end supermarket. I agree with "baileyuk" - what we really need is a decent sized superstore away from the centre - I would suggest one near the Old Malton interchange off the A64. But, hey, this is Malton - that will never happen. So we have to hope for a small supermarket on a disused car park in the town centre. "Yorkguy" is right when he talks about small minded people in Malton - I would add "self-interested" to that description, and also to keep it in perspective, it's 30 out of 13000. The other 12970 will no doubt be customers of the new store. Maltonian
  • Score: 11

10:17am Sun 9 Mar 14

AnotherPointofView says...

Maltonian wrote:
So 30 people came to protest - not very representative of the 13000 population of Malton and Norton. I wonder how many of these actually live in the town anyway? It's right and proper that the planning committee should decide a planning issue, so Ryedale got that right at least. Let's hope they get the planning decision right and allow this development to finally proceed.
There is much talk of a "high end" supermarket on the cattle market site - firstly, no operator has apparently signed up to occupy this, and secondly most of the population can't afford to shop in a high end supermarket.
I agree with "baileyuk" - what we really need is a decent sized superstore away from the centre - I would suggest one near the Old Malton interchange off the A64. But, hey, this is Malton - that will never happen. So we have to hope for a small supermarket on a disused car park in the town centre.
"Yorkguy" is right when he talks about small minded people in Malton - I would add "self-interested" to that description, and also to keep it in perspective, it's 30 out of 13000. The other 12970 will no doubt be customers of the new store.
What you say makes sense and as someone from York I'm not affected by this decision.

The one point I would make is be careful by your use of statistics - saying 30 people are against, therefore 12970 must be for it makes you sound like City of York Council. That's the kind of logic they use when nearly a thousand vote against their daft 20mph schemes. They assume that 199,000 or so must be for their argument. Which is NOT the case.
[quote][p][bold]Maltonian[/bold] wrote: So 30 people came to protest - not very representative of the 13000 population of Malton and Norton. I wonder how many of these actually live in the town anyway? It's right and proper that the planning committee should decide a planning issue, so Ryedale got that right at least. Let's hope they get the planning decision right and allow this development to finally proceed. There is much talk of a "high end" supermarket on the cattle market site - firstly, no operator has apparently signed up to occupy this, and secondly most of the population can't afford to shop in a high end supermarket. I agree with "baileyuk" - what we really need is a decent sized superstore away from the centre - I would suggest one near the Old Malton interchange off the A64. But, hey, this is Malton - that will never happen. So we have to hope for a small supermarket on a disused car park in the town centre. "Yorkguy" is right when he talks about small minded people in Malton - I would add "self-interested" to that description, and also to keep it in perspective, it's 30 out of 13000. The other 12970 will no doubt be customers of the new store.[/p][/quote]What you say makes sense and as someone from York I'm not affected by this decision. The one point I would make is be careful by your use of statistics - saying 30 people are against, therefore 12970 must be for it makes you sound like City of York Council. That's the kind of logic they use when nearly a thousand vote against their daft 20mph schemes. They assume that 199,000 or so must be for their argument. Which is NOT the case. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: 3

11:49pm Sun 9 Mar 14

loobydriver says...

I'm sorry but I think putting supermarket on Wentworth St would be a disaster. For a start, I really don't think we another one to compete with what we have already, and I'm not just talking supermarkets here, ultimately supermarkets take away business from small independent businesses, one thing that currently Malton still has plenty of and should be proud of. Having a petrol station there is also not a great site, much better to be on the incoming or outgoing edge of town (depending on which direction you are travelling in) of the A64.
Those people that think Malton will cope with another supermarket in the 'centre' of town on Wentworth St are deluding themselves. It will slowly strangle small business and kill the town. Believe me I know, I grew up in a small town just like this in Lancashire where exactly this was allowed to happen. A Morrison's was built in the centre, despite there being 4 large supermarkets of the usual suspect names within 2 miles. Within 2 years all the fresh uncooked food shops had closed. Others were struggling. Remember supermarkets will sell anything!! By coincidence we drove through there today, first time in 25years, all the shops have shutters down, you can't tell what they are or even if they might be open in the week. It was desolate and a world away from the town I grew up in and the Malton and Norton of today. Don't make the same mistake.
I'm sorry but I think putting supermarket on Wentworth St would be a disaster. For a start, I really don't think we another one to compete with what we have already, and I'm not just talking supermarkets here, ultimately supermarkets take away business from small independent businesses, one thing that currently Malton still has plenty of and should be proud of. Having a petrol station there is also not a great site, much better to be on the incoming or outgoing edge of town (depending on which direction you are travelling in) of the A64. Those people that think Malton will cope with another supermarket in the 'centre' of town on Wentworth St are deluding themselves. It will slowly strangle small business and kill the town. Believe me I know, I grew up in a small town just like this in Lancashire where exactly this was allowed to happen. A Morrison's was built in the centre, despite there being 4 large supermarkets of the usual suspect names within 2 miles. Within 2 years all the fresh uncooked food shops had closed. Others were struggling. Remember supermarkets will sell anything!! By coincidence we drove through there today, first time in 25years, all the shops have shutters down, you can't tell what they are or even if they might be open in the week. It was desolate and a world away from the town I grew up in and the Malton and Norton of today. Don't make the same mistake. loobydriver
  • Score: -7

8:19pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Gamer_guy says...

To the So called Protester..Get a Life!...Everyone complains about malton needing Trade and this will save travelling to crappy York all the time...this would be great for everyone so come on Ryedale!.. Get it built!
To the So called Protester..Get a Life!...Everyone complains about malton needing Trade and this will save travelling to crappy York all the time...this would be great for everyone so come on Ryedale!.. Get it built! Gamer_guy
  • Score: 2

10:08am Tue 11 Mar 14

RBofMalton says...

Gamer_guy wrote:
To the So called Protester..Get a Life!...Everyone complains about malton needing Trade and this will save travelling to crappy York all the time...this would be great for everyone so come on Ryedale!.. Get it built!
Having attended the Council meeting and seen a chair that can barely string a sentence together, along with a group of "Councillors" many of whom seemed there solely to serve their own agendas. Maybe if a couple of them called for some meetings with the public of Malton they'd get to hear the local person's view on it. All I heard is "me,me,me......." It is quite ironic you talk above of a mere 30 odd people not being enough to force change with these same number of idiots sit in office serving themselves.
[quote][p][bold]Gamer_guy[/bold] wrote: To the So called Protester..Get a Life!...Everyone complains about malton needing Trade and this will save travelling to crappy York all the time...this would be great for everyone so come on Ryedale!.. Get it built![/p][/quote]Having attended the Council meeting and seen a chair that can barely string a sentence together, along with a group of "Councillors" many of whom seemed there solely to serve their own agendas. Maybe if a couple of them called for some meetings with the public of Malton they'd get to hear the local person's view on it. All I heard is "me,me,me......." It is quite ironic you talk above of a mere 30 odd people not being enough to force change with these same number of idiots sit in office serving themselves. RBofMalton
  • Score: -6

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