Sport England objects to York athletics track plan

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A SPORTS body has objected to plans to replace and upgrade a York athletics track, saying it would make hockey teams homeless.

City of York Council dropped proposals to build a new athletics base at the York Sport Village in Heslington last year and chose to improve existing facilities at the University of York’s Heslington West campus instead. The authority said this would allow it to be ready sooner and save money.

A planning application has been submitted for the scheme, which would provide a new home for City of York Athletic Club, but Sport England has opposed it because an artificial pitch at the university site would be grassed over.

In its objection, the organisation quoted England Hockey’s view that university hockey teams would not have a home ground under the current proposals and, as the university was looking to “rejuvenate” the sport on its campus, it must have an “appropriate” hockey pitch.

England Hockey’s statement to Sport England said City of York Hockey Club, Yorkshire’s largest, may move to Heslington West in future, and turning the all-weather turf into a grass surface would be “a loss to hockey in the city”.

Sport England opposes any development which leads to the loss of, or hampers the use of, all or part of a playing field. In a letter to council planners, it said it supported upgrading the university athletics track as it “offers the potential to maximise its use by students and the local community”.

However, it also said: “The application does not detail the provision of a replacement artificial turf pitch suitable for hockey. The proposal, as currently detailed, results in the loss of an artificial turf pitch, which is clearly detrimental to the development of hockey in York.”

The organisation said if the council approves the current scheme, it should be referred to the Government, but it would lift the objection if a replacement artificial pitch was provided at the same time as the university surface is altered.

The current athletics base at Huntington Stadium is due to be demolished to make way for a new community stadium. The council said the switch of sites for the athletics facility prevented community stadium project costs increasing, and the Heslington West track will be better-quality and have a field events area.

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10:37am Thu 6 Mar 14

What's Up, Doc? says...

What planet are Sport England living on?

Firstly, there are plenty of hockey pitches, both grass and astroturf, around York.

Secondly, have they been to the University lately? They are building a brand new, all-weather 3G pitch to cater for the fact that the all-weather pitch in the middle of the current athletics is to be removed.

You would think that Sport England would fully support a county standard athletics area!
What planet are Sport England living on? Firstly, there are plenty of hockey pitches, both grass and astroturf, around York. Secondly, have they been to the University lately? They are building a brand new, all-weather 3G pitch to cater for the fact that the all-weather pitch in the middle of the current athletics is to be removed. You would think that Sport England would fully support a county standard athletics area! What's Up, Doc?
  • Score: 7

11:05am Thu 6 Mar 14

Knavesmire view says...

What's Up, Doc? wrote:
What planet are Sport England living on?

Firstly, there are plenty of hockey pitches, both grass and astroturf, around York.

Secondly, have they been to the University lately? They are building a brand new, all-weather 3G pitch to cater for the fact that the all-weather pitch in the middle of the current athletics is to be removed.

You would think that Sport England would fully support a county standard athletics area!
The pitch at Heslington East you mention is not suitable for hockey under England Hockey rules as it is a 3G pitch. If this was the plan all along then the University should have built a like-for-like pitch rather than a 3G to avoid issues such as this.

A large number of pitches around the City are 3G, which is why there isn't as much choice for hockey as you may think.

And before you ask, yes it does make a difference. 3G pitches have longer tufts on which makes hockey impossible to play on.

Whilst this is a blow to the Athletics, this was a completely foreseeable and avoidable problem.

And as the article mentions, the City's hockey club is the largest in Yorkshire, yet has no permanent home, so the pitches it uses need protecting.
[quote][p][bold]What's Up, Doc?[/bold] wrote: What planet are Sport England living on? Firstly, there are plenty of hockey pitches, both grass and astroturf, around York. Secondly, have they been to the University lately? They are building a brand new, all-weather 3G pitch to cater for the fact that the all-weather pitch in the middle of the current athletics is to be removed. You would think that Sport England would fully support a county standard athletics area![/p][/quote]The pitch at Heslington East you mention is not suitable for hockey under England Hockey rules as it is a 3G pitch. If this was the plan all along then the University should have built a like-for-like pitch rather than a 3G to avoid issues such as this. A large number of pitches around the City are 3G, which is why there isn't as much choice for hockey as you may think. And before you ask, yes it does make a difference. 3G pitches have longer tufts on which makes hockey impossible to play on. Whilst this is a blow to the Athletics, this was a completely foreseeable and avoidable problem. And as the article mentions, the City's hockey club is the largest in Yorkshire, yet has no permanent home, so the pitches it uses need protecting. Knavesmire view
  • Score: 5

11:45am Thu 6 Mar 14

Exlabourmember says...

What's Up, Doc? wrote:
What planet are Sport England living on?

Firstly, there are plenty of hockey pitches, both grass and astroturf, around York.

Secondly, have they been to the University lately? They are building a brand new, all-weather 3G pitch to cater for the fact that the all-weather pitch in the middle of the current athletics is to be removed.

You would think that Sport England would fully support a county standard athletics area!
where?
[quote][p][bold]What's Up, Doc?[/bold] wrote: What planet are Sport England living on? Firstly, there are plenty of hockey pitches, both grass and astroturf, around York. Secondly, have they been to the University lately? They are building a brand new, all-weather 3G pitch to cater for the fact that the all-weather pitch in the middle of the current athletics is to be removed. You would think that Sport England would fully support a county standard athletics area![/p][/quote]where? Exlabourmember
  • Score: 4

12:01pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Fabius the Delayer says...

I thought 3G was on my iPhone ??
I thought 3G was on my iPhone ?? Fabius the Delayer
  • Score: 0

12:35pm Thu 6 Mar 14

meme says...

You couldn't make it up
Did not the Council discuss this with sport England in advance!!
You couldn't make it up Did not the Council discuss this with sport England in advance!! meme
  • Score: 2

1:46pm Thu 6 Mar 14

tw@ face says...

sport england will object to anything. helps them feel important
sport england will object to anything. helps them feel important tw@ face
  • Score: -3

3:25pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Thejackal says...

The new pitch being created at the university is a sand based hockey pitch not a 3G. There will be no loss to hockey whatsoever. Pointless story.
The new pitch being created at the university is a sand based hockey pitch not a 3G. There will be no loss to hockey whatsoever. Pointless story. Thejackal
  • Score: 3

3:43pm Thu 6 Mar 14

What's Up, Doc? says...

Thejackal wrote:
The new pitch being created at the university is a sand based hockey pitch not a 3G. There will be no loss to hockey whatsoever. Pointless story.
My apologies, then. It's just that I assumed with it being all-weather it would be 3G.
[quote][p][bold]Thejackal[/bold] wrote: The new pitch being created at the university is a sand based hockey pitch not a 3G. There will be no loss to hockey whatsoever. Pointless story.[/p][/quote]My apologies, then. It's just that I assumed with it being all-weather it would be 3G. What's Up, Doc?
  • Score: 0

3:45pm Thu 6 Mar 14

What's Up, Doc? says...

Knavesmire view wrote:
What's Up, Doc? wrote:
What planet are Sport England living on?

Firstly, there are plenty of hockey pitches, both grass and astroturf, around York.

Secondly, have they been to the University lately? They are building a brand new, all-weather 3G pitch to cater for the fact that the all-weather pitch in the middle of the current athletics is to be removed.

You would think that Sport England would fully support a county standard athletics area!
The pitch at Heslington East you mention is not suitable for hockey under England Hockey rules as it is a 3G pitch. If this was the plan all along then the University should have built a like-for-like pitch rather than a 3G to avoid issues such as this.

A large number of pitches around the City are 3G, which is why there isn't as much choice for hockey as you may think.

And before you ask, yes it does make a difference. 3G pitches have longer tufts on which makes hockey impossible to play on.

Whilst this is a blow to the Athletics, this was a completely foreseeable and avoidable problem.

And as the article mentions, the City's hockey club is the largest in Yorkshire, yet has no permanent home, so the pitches it uses need protecting.
Why can't you play hockey on a 3G pitch? As far as I understood it, a player on a 3G pitch can use studs.
[quote][p][bold]Knavesmire view[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]What's Up, Doc?[/bold] wrote: What planet are Sport England living on? Firstly, there are plenty of hockey pitches, both grass and astroturf, around York. Secondly, have they been to the University lately? They are building a brand new, all-weather 3G pitch to cater for the fact that the all-weather pitch in the middle of the current athletics is to be removed. You would think that Sport England would fully support a county standard athletics area![/p][/quote]The pitch at Heslington East you mention is not suitable for hockey under England Hockey rules as it is a 3G pitch. If this was the plan all along then the University should have built a like-for-like pitch rather than a 3G to avoid issues such as this. A large number of pitches around the City are 3G, which is why there isn't as much choice for hockey as you may think. And before you ask, yes it does make a difference. 3G pitches have longer tufts on which makes hockey impossible to play on. Whilst this is a blow to the Athletics, this was a completely foreseeable and avoidable problem. And as the article mentions, the City's hockey club is the largest in Yorkshire, yet has no permanent home, so the pitches it uses need protecting.[/p][/quote]Why can't you play hockey on a 3G pitch? As far as I understood it, a player on a 3G pitch can use studs. What's Up, Doc?
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3:55pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Knavesmire view says...

What's Up, Doc? wrote:
Knavesmire view wrote:
What's Up, Doc? wrote:
What planet are Sport England living on?

Firstly, there are plenty of hockey pitches, both grass and astroturf, around York.

Secondly, have they been to the University lately? They are building a brand new, all-weather 3G pitch to cater for the fact that the all-weather pitch in the middle of the current athletics is to be removed.

You would think that Sport England would fully support a county standard athletics area!
The pitch at Heslington East you mention is not suitable for hockey under England Hockey rules as it is a 3G pitch. If this was the plan all along then the University should have built a like-for-like pitch rather than a 3G to avoid issues such as this.

A large number of pitches around the City are 3G, which is why there isn't as much choice for hockey as you may think.

And before you ask, yes it does make a difference. 3G pitches have longer tufts on which makes hockey impossible to play on.

Whilst this is a blow to the Athletics, this was a completely foreseeable and avoidable problem.

And as the article mentions, the City's hockey club is the largest in Yorkshire, yet has no permanent home, so the pitches it uses need protecting.
Why can't you play hockey on a 3G pitch? As far as I understood it, a player on a 3G pitch can use studs.
3G pitches are against the rules of England Hockey (due to the length of the 'grass').

Hockey hasn't been played on grass at a competitive level for decades now, you have to have an eligible astro (like the one the running track is around) to be able to enter the regional and national competitions.

3G pitches are essentially designed for football (the majority of funding for them comes from the Football Foundation).

This is why there is already pressure on hockey pitches in the City. A lot of places (like York College) receive FF funding and build a 3G pitch. Makes sense from their point of view rather than building a traditional astro, which without funding is more expensive.

As you said in your original post, there are a lot of pitches around York, and the common mis-conception is that hockey can be played on all of these, and it can't.

And like I said in my original post, all of this should have been known to the Council and the University when the plans were first drawn up.

Someone, somewhere has made an obvious mistake when planning this, the Sport England position hasn't changed overnight.
[quote][p][bold]What's Up, Doc?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Knavesmire view[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]What's Up, Doc?[/bold] wrote: What planet are Sport England living on? Firstly, there are plenty of hockey pitches, both grass and astroturf, around York. Secondly, have they been to the University lately? They are building a brand new, all-weather 3G pitch to cater for the fact that the all-weather pitch in the middle of the current athletics is to be removed. You would think that Sport England would fully support a county standard athletics area![/p][/quote]The pitch at Heslington East you mention is not suitable for hockey under England Hockey rules as it is a 3G pitch. If this was the plan all along then the University should have built a like-for-like pitch rather than a 3G to avoid issues such as this. A large number of pitches around the City are 3G, which is why there isn't as much choice for hockey as you may think. And before you ask, yes it does make a difference. 3G pitches have longer tufts on which makes hockey impossible to play on. Whilst this is a blow to the Athletics, this was a completely foreseeable and avoidable problem. And as the article mentions, the City's hockey club is the largest in Yorkshire, yet has no permanent home, so the pitches it uses need protecting.[/p][/quote]Why can't you play hockey on a 3G pitch? As far as I understood it, a player on a 3G pitch can use studs.[/p][/quote]3G pitches are against the rules of England Hockey (due to the length of the 'grass'). Hockey hasn't been played on grass at a competitive level for decades now, you have to have an eligible astro (like the one the running track is around) to be able to enter the regional and national competitions. 3G pitches are essentially designed for football (the majority of funding for them comes from the Football Foundation). This is why there is already pressure on hockey pitches in the City. A lot of places (like York College) receive FF funding and build a 3G pitch. Makes sense from their point of view rather than building a traditional astro, which without funding is more expensive. As you said in your original post, there are a lot of pitches around York, and the common mis-conception is that hockey can be played on all of these, and it can't. And like I said in my original post, all of this should have been known to the Council and the University when the plans were first drawn up. Someone, somewhere has made an obvious mistake when planning this, the Sport England position hasn't changed overnight. Knavesmire view
  • Score: 3

4:44pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Garrowby Turnoff says...

Why do they call them Hockey pitches if you can't play hockey on them?

Your cocky club always lived up to its name...
Why do they call them Hockey pitches if you can't play hockey on them? Your cocky club always lived up to its name... Garrowby Turnoff
  • Score: -3

5:59pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Justin7 says...

Yet more pampering to fringe sports.

Most people in York only care about York City and to a lesser extent the Rugby club.
Yet more pampering to fringe sports. Most people in York only care about York City and to a lesser extent the Rugby club. Justin7
  • Score: -7

9:43am Fri 7 Mar 14

jong9382 says...

The University already had planning permission to relocate the sand dressed hockey pitch which is why it isn't part of the current submission and why this confusion has arisen. CYC also know this and I am sure they will be making that point to Sport England.
The University already had planning permission to relocate the sand dressed hockey pitch which is why it isn't part of the current submission and why this confusion has arisen. CYC also know this and I am sure they will be making that point to Sport England. jong9382
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