Opinion poll call over Lendal Bridge trial

Lendal Bridge in York, where private vehicles have been banned for part of the day

Lendal Bridge in York, where private vehicles have been banned for part of the day

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AN INDEPENDENT survey is needed to see what people think of York’s controversial Lendal Bridge trial, one of the city’s political parties has claimed.

City of York Council’s Conservative group has raised doubts about whether the authority’s online survey into the scheme, which has banned private vehicles from the city-centre bridge for six-and-a-half hours a day since the end of last August, will accurately assess public opinion, saying it could be manipulated.

The official six-month trial period ended on Thursday but the restrictions – which have seen the Labour-controlled council receive £1.3 million in income from fines – will remain while a decision is made on whether to continue, extend or abandon them.

The Press this week revealed secret documents detailing behind-closed-doors council discussions over the trial.

The Tories said the cost of an independent poll would be minimal compared to the amount collected in fines and the importance of the issue to York’s reputation.

Their leader, Coun Chris Steward, said: “The decision on whether or not to permanently close Lendal Bridge is of massive importance for York, and I do not believe the council’s own online survey is adequate to underpin a decision of this magnitude.

“Not only is the council survey little-known, the questions have altered over time and, having been set by the council, are not necessarily the right questions to maximise a robust response. Any survey which requires voluntarily logging on to a website is skewed by self-selection and a person usually has an axe to grind, either feeling strongly pro or anti, to be motivated to seek out and complete it.”

Coun Steward said professional pollsters would give “a much more accurate reflection” of views. He said: “We have no preconceptions about the result, and neither should the Labour group – what matters is a truly fair survey.”

Coun Dave Merrett, cabinet member for transport, said: “Clearly, great minds think alike, and it is always interesting when the opposition calls for something which is already happening.

“There is strong feeling both ways on this important issue, so independent polling will help us gain further views from the public before we reach our final decision. This polling will be funded from income already generated from the bridge trial.”

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11:40am Sat 1 Mar 14

RingoStarr says...

Coun Dave Merrett, cabinet member for transport, said:
“There is strong feeling both ways on this important issue, so independent polling will help us gain further views from the public before WE reach our final decision"

In other words "WE are going to close it"
Coun Dave Merrett, cabinet member for transport, said: “There is strong feeling both ways on this important issue, so independent polling will help us gain further views from the public before WE reach our final decision" In other words "WE are going to close it" RingoStarr
  • Score: 100

12:10pm Sat 1 Mar 14

LibDem says...

All York residents should be able to have a vote on this. To minimise costs, send out a survey form with the Euro election poll cards due in a few weeks.

In the meantime switch off the ANPR cameras.
All York residents should be able to have a vote on this. To minimise costs, send out a survey form with the Euro election poll cards due in a few weeks. In the meantime switch off the ANPR cameras. LibDem
  • Score: 79

1:07pm Sat 1 Mar 14

pedalling paul says...

I recall that the Institute for Transport Studies at Leeds University was to be asked to carry out a separate appraisal. This process must be carried out directly between them and CoYC Officers. The IST Report must be released into the public domain at the same time as Councillors receive it. That way everyone will be assured of independence and transparency.
I recall that the Institute for Transport Studies at Leeds University was to be asked to carry out a separate appraisal. This process must be carried out directly between them and CoYC Officers. The IST Report must be released into the public domain at the same time as Councillors receive it. That way everyone will be assured of independence and transparency. pedalling paul
  • Score: 32

1:22pm Sat 1 Mar 14

JasBro says...

pedalling paul wrote:
I recall that the Institute for Transport Studies at Leeds University was to be asked to carry out a separate appraisal. This process must be carried out directly between them and CoYC Officers. The IST Report must be released into the public domain at the same time as Councillors receive it. That way everyone will be assured of independence and transparency.
Serious question. Why would CoYC officers be involved in an independent appraisal?

Some of those officers don't seem independent or even trustworthy.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: I recall that the Institute for Transport Studies at Leeds University was to be asked to carry out a separate appraisal. This process must be carried out directly between them and CoYC Officers. The IST Report must be released into the public domain at the same time as Councillors receive it. That way everyone will be assured of independence and transparency.[/p][/quote]Serious question. Why would CoYC officers be involved in an independent appraisal? Some of those officers don't seem independent or even trustworthy. JasBro
  • Score: -143

1:28pm Sat 1 Mar 14

rodney'sdog says...

A poll would be a waste of time and money. Traders all agree that the closure has damaged trade by up to 25% in some cases.Diverting via Clifton bridge /leeman road has increased fuel costs for thousands-and at the end of the day the toll on the bridge has broken the city's own by law. Get it open now.
A poll would be a waste of time and money. Traders all agree that the closure has damaged trade by up to 25% in some cases.Diverting via Clifton bridge /leeman road has increased fuel costs for thousands-and at the end of the day the toll on the bridge has broken the city's own by law. Get it open now. rodney'sdog
  • Score: -154

2:25pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Caecilius says...

rodney'sdog wrote:
A poll would be a waste of time and money. Traders all agree that the closure has damaged trade by up to 25% in some cases.Diverting via Clifton bridge /leeman road has increased fuel costs for thousands-and at the end of the day the toll on the bridge has broken the city's own by law. Get it open now.
The city isn't run exclusively for the benefit of traders (they ALL agree? Really? Just 14 out of "80+" businesses represented by York Retail Forum felt strongly enough about Lendal Bridge to pitch up at its meeting last October and support a proposal to end the restrictions.) Nor is it run solely for the benefit of private motorists, however much difficulty some people have in coming to terms with that. Keep it closed permanently.

And let's all remember that Coun Steward's party (and the same goes for James Alexander's) hasn't been in the least concerned about having a "truly fair survey" over previous issues, any more than it will be in future if it gains control of the Council. His comment that a survey is 'skewed' if it's only completed by people who actually hold a view on the point at issue is fatuous. Presumably, he believes that the election of councillors is at least as important a matter as a decision on whether traffic restrictions are applied to a bridge. That being so, as the turnout at the last local election in Rural West York Ward was less than 53%, maybe he should follow his own logic and resign, on the grounds that such a level of public engagement isn't "adequate to underpin a decision of this magnitude".
[quote][p][bold]rodney'sdog[/bold] wrote: A poll would be a waste of time and money. Traders all agree that the closure has damaged trade by up to 25% in some cases.Diverting via Clifton bridge /leeman road has increased fuel costs for thousands-and at the end of the day the toll on the bridge has broken the city's own by law. Get it open now.[/p][/quote]The city isn't run exclusively for the benefit of traders (they ALL agree? Really? Just 14 out of "80+" businesses represented by York Retail Forum felt strongly enough about Lendal Bridge to pitch up at its meeting last October and support a proposal to end the restrictions.) Nor is it run solely for the benefit of private motorists, however much difficulty some people have in coming to terms with that. Keep it closed permanently. And let's all remember that Coun Steward's party (and the same goes for James Alexander's) hasn't been in the least concerned about having a "truly fair survey" over previous issues, any more than it will be in future if it gains control of the Council. His comment that a survey is 'skewed' if it's only completed by people who actually hold a view on the point at issue is fatuous. Presumably, he believes that the election of councillors is at least as important a matter as a decision on whether traffic restrictions are applied to a bridge. That being so, as the turnout at the last local election in Rural West York Ward was less than 53%, maybe he should follow his own logic and resign, on the grounds that such a level of public engagement isn't "adequate to underpin a decision of this magnitude". Caecilius
  • Score: 215

3:28pm Sat 1 Mar 14

AnotherPointofView says...

JasBro wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
I recall that the Institute for Transport Studies at Leeds University was to be asked to carry out a separate appraisal. This process must be carried out directly between them and CoYC Officers. The IST Report must be released into the public domain at the same time as Councillors receive it. That way everyone will be assured of independence and transparency.
Serious question. Why would CoYC officers be involved in an independent appraisal?

Some of those officers don't seem independent or even trustworthy.
York CoyC officers, Labour Councillors and independant appraisal? Shouldn't be in the same sentence. A contradiction in terms.
[quote][p][bold]JasBro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: I recall that the Institute for Transport Studies at Leeds University was to be asked to carry out a separate appraisal. This process must be carried out directly between them and CoYC Officers. The IST Report must be released into the public domain at the same time as Councillors receive it. That way everyone will be assured of independence and transparency.[/p][/quote]Serious question. Why would CoYC officers be involved in an independent appraisal? Some of those officers don't seem independent or even trustworthy.[/p][/quote]York CoyC officers, Labour Councillors and independant appraisal? Shouldn't be in the same sentence. A contradiction in terms. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: 55

3:45pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Silver says...

Didn't the council already do a survey? They got 75% negative on the closure. Think we can say this was already done so does it need to be redone?
Didn't the council already do a survey? They got 75% negative on the closure. Think we can say this was already done so does it need to be redone? Silver
  • Score: 84

4:08pm Sat 1 Mar 14

AnotherPointofView says...

Silver wrote:
Didn't the council already do a survey? They got 75% negative on the closure. Think we can say this was already done so does it need to be redone?
It won't have been the answer they wanted, so it won't count.
[quote][p][bold]Silver[/bold] wrote: Didn't the council already do a survey? They got 75% negative on the closure. Think we can say this was already done so does it need to be redone?[/p][/quote]It won't have been the answer they wanted, so it won't count. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: 54

4:30pm Sat 1 Mar 14

strangebuttrue? says...

I believe Mr Merrett said something about the 75% against when he was on Look North and went on to say it would be considered in their final deliberations which I take to mean considered and then binned with some comment like only XX% amount of the population responded so the rest must support the closure.
I believe Mr Merrett said something about the 75% against when he was on Look North and went on to say it would be considered in their final deliberations which I take to mean considered and then binned with some comment like only XX% amount of the population responded so the rest must support the closure. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: 160

4:43pm Sat 1 Mar 14

AnotherPointofView says...

strangebuttrue? wrote:
I believe Mr Merrett said something about the 75% against when he was on Look North and went on to say it would be considered in their final deliberations which I take to mean considered and then binned with some comment like only XX% amount of the population responded so the rest must support the closure.
Exactly. If the council takes it's own poll and say only 1,000 vote. If 750 are against closure and 250 are for closure. Most sane people would see a huge majority are against closure.

The council's interpretation would a massive 199,250 (rough population of 200,00 for York) must be for and only 750 against. That's the previous logic they have used - the kind of logic used in Soviet Russia!
[quote][p][bold]strangebuttrue?[/bold] wrote: I believe Mr Merrett said something about the 75% against when he was on Look North and went on to say it would be considered in their final deliberations which I take to mean considered and then binned with some comment like only XX% amount of the population responded so the rest must support the closure.[/p][/quote]Exactly. If the council takes it's own poll and say only 1,000 vote. If 750 are against closure and 250 are for closure. Most sane people would see a huge majority are against closure. The council's interpretation would a massive 199,250 (rough population of 200,00 for York) must be for and only 750 against. That's the previous logic they have used - the kind of logic used in Soviet Russia! AnotherPointofView
  • Score: 145

5:16pm Sat 1 Mar 14

MorkofYork says...

Yes give us a proper vote. If they said they'd do this at the beginning they would have preserved a bit of respect.
I don't get why politicians find democracy so hard to do. Do what the majority want and you'll get reelected, if it all goes wrong then the people only have themselves to blame.
Yes give us a proper vote. If they said they'd do this at the beginning they would have preserved a bit of respect. I don't get why politicians find democracy so hard to do. Do what the majority want and you'll get reelected, if it all goes wrong then the people only have themselves to blame. MorkofYork
  • Score: 105

5:46pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Silver says...

AnotherPointofView wrote:
Silver wrote:
Didn't the council already do a survey? They got 75% negative on the closure. Think we can say this was already done so does it need to be redone?
It won't have been the answer they wanted, so it won't count.
Silly me, I was just thinking that it had the magic number of 7, which was the number of people supporting the 20mph so was automatically considered in full agreement. Obviously it's just 7 with no further digits after it.
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Silver[/bold] wrote: Didn't the council already do a survey? They got 75% negative on the closure. Think we can say this was already done so does it need to be redone?[/p][/quote]It won't have been the answer they wanted, so it won't count.[/p][/quote]Silly me, I was just thinking that it had the magic number of 7, which was the number of people supporting the 20mph so was automatically considered in full agreement. Obviously it's just 7 with no further digits after it. Silver
  • Score: 59

5:48pm Sat 1 Mar 14

inthesticks says...

Survey people sat in traffic at 5pm on the A1237 and it will be 99% against. Survey people who live along Bootham and it will be 99% for. A survey is pointless if you don`t do it completely randomly and that would mean every household in York, far too expensive.
The survey monkey that was on the COYC website cannot be trusted unless they publish every response for public scrutiny, which I doubt they will. My trust in the survey has gone since they changed the questions half way through, it shows incompetence and a level of manipulation in my opinion.
Survey people sat in traffic at 5pm on the A1237 and it will be 99% against. Survey people who live along Bootham and it will be 99% for. A survey is pointless if you don`t do it completely randomly and that would mean every household in York, far too expensive. The survey monkey that was on the COYC website cannot be trusted unless they publish every response for public scrutiny, which I doubt they will. My trust in the survey has gone since they changed the questions half way through, it shows incompetence and a level of manipulation in my opinion. inthesticks
  • Score: 52

6:09pm Sat 1 Mar 14

inthesticks says...

inthesticks wrote:
Survey people sat in traffic at 5pm on the A1237 and it will be 99% against. Survey people who live along Bootham and it will be 99% for. A survey is pointless if you don`t do it completely randomly and that would mean every household in York, far too expensive.
The survey monkey that was on the COYC website cannot be trusted unless they publish every response for public scrutiny, which I doubt they will. My trust in the survey has gone since they changed the questions half way through, it shows incompetence and a level of manipulation in my opinion.
How can you be bothered deleting your cookies and clicking thumbs down 35 times in 15 minutes? Get a hobby.
[quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: Survey people sat in traffic at 5pm on the A1237 and it will be 99% against. Survey people who live along Bootham and it will be 99% for. A survey is pointless if you don`t do it completely randomly and that would mean every household in York, far too expensive. The survey monkey that was on the COYC website cannot be trusted unless they publish every response for public scrutiny, which I doubt they will. My trust in the survey has gone since they changed the questions half way through, it shows incompetence and a level of manipulation in my opinion.[/p][/quote]How can you be bothered deleting your cookies and clicking thumbs down 35 times in 15 minutes? Get a hobby. inthesticks
  • Score: 79

6:10pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Micklegate says...

Caecilius wrote:
rodney'sdog wrote:
A poll would be a waste of time and money. Traders all agree that the closure has damaged trade by up to 25% in some cases.Diverting via Clifton bridge /leeman road has increased fuel costs for thousands-and at the end of the day the toll on the bridge has broken the city's own by law. Get it open now.
The city isn't run exclusively for the benefit of traders (they ALL agree? Really? Just 14 out of "80+" businesses represented by York Retail Forum felt strongly enough about Lendal Bridge to pitch up at its meeting last October and support a proposal to end the restrictions.) Nor is it run solely for the benefit of private motorists, however much difficulty some people have in coming to terms with that. Keep it closed permanently.

And let's all remember that Coun Steward's party (and the same goes for James Alexander's) hasn't been in the least concerned about having a "truly fair survey" over previous issues, any more than it will be in future if it gains control of the Council. His comment that a survey is 'skewed' if it's only completed by people who actually hold a view on the point at issue is fatuous. Presumably, he believes that the election of councillors is at least as important a matter as a decision on whether traffic restrictions are applied to a bridge. That being so, as the turnout at the last local election in Rural West York Ward was less than 53%, maybe he should follow his own logic and resign, on the grounds that such a level of public engagement isn't "adequate to underpin a decision of this magnitude".
I believe in Rural West the councillors are elected on the same basis as other parts in the city where people have one vote for each councillor vacancy; rather unlike the council lendal bridge survey where with a new computer or doing it at work or withholding an IP address people can do the survey as many times as they want.
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rodney'sdog[/bold] wrote: A poll would be a waste of time and money. Traders all agree that the closure has damaged trade by up to 25% in some cases.Diverting via Clifton bridge /leeman road has increased fuel costs for thousands-and at the end of the day the toll on the bridge has broken the city's own by law. Get it open now.[/p][/quote]The city isn't run exclusively for the benefit of traders (they ALL agree? Really? Just 14 out of "80+" businesses represented by York Retail Forum felt strongly enough about Lendal Bridge to pitch up at its meeting last October and support a proposal to end the restrictions.) Nor is it run solely for the benefit of private motorists, however much difficulty some people have in coming to terms with that. Keep it closed permanently. And let's all remember that Coun Steward's party (and the same goes for James Alexander's) hasn't been in the least concerned about having a "truly fair survey" over previous issues, any more than it will be in future if it gains control of the Council. His comment that a survey is 'skewed' if it's only completed by people who actually hold a view on the point at issue is fatuous. Presumably, he believes that the election of councillors is at least as important a matter as a decision on whether traffic restrictions are applied to a bridge. That being so, as the turnout at the last local election in Rural West York Ward was less than 53%, maybe he should follow his own logic and resign, on the grounds that such a level of public engagement isn't "adequate to underpin a decision of this magnitude".[/p][/quote]I believe in Rural West the councillors are elected on the same basis as other parts in the city where people have one vote for each councillor vacancy; rather unlike the council lendal bridge survey where with a new computer or doing it at work or withholding an IP address people can do the survey as many times as they want. Micklegate
  • Score: 82

6:13pm Sat 1 Mar 14

JasBro says...

inthesticks wrote:
inthesticks wrote:
Survey people sat in traffic at 5pm on the A1237 and it will be 99% against. Survey people who live along Bootham and it will be 99% for. A survey is pointless if you don`t do it completely randomly and that would mean every household in York, far too expensive.
The survey monkey that was on the COYC website cannot be trusted unless they publish every response for public scrutiny, which I doubt they will. My trust in the survey has gone since they changed the questions half way through, it shows incompetence and a level of manipulation in my opinion.
How can you be bothered deleting your cookies and clicking thumbs down 35 times in 15 minutes? Get a hobby.
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Sad, but true. Desperate measures.
[quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: Survey people sat in traffic at 5pm on the A1237 and it will be 99% against. Survey people who live along Bootham and it will be 99% for. A survey is pointless if you don`t do it completely randomly and that would mean every household in York, far too expensive. The survey monkey that was on the COYC website cannot be trusted unless they publish every response for public scrutiny, which I doubt they will. My trust in the survey has gone since they changed the questions half way through, it shows incompetence and a level of manipulation in my opinion.[/p][/quote]How can you be bothered deleting your cookies and clicking thumbs down 35 times in 15 minutes? Get a hobby.[/p][/quote]Auto vote bot Sad, but true. Desperate measures. JasBro
  • Score: -60

6:15pm Sat 1 Mar 14

JasBro says...

inthesticks wrote:
Survey people sat in traffic at 5pm on the A1237 and it will be 99% against. Survey people who live along Bootham and it will be 99% for. A survey is pointless if you don`t do it completely randomly and that would mean every household in York, far too expensive.
The survey monkey that was on the COYC website cannot be trusted unless they publish every response for public scrutiny, which I doubt they will. My trust in the survey has gone since they changed the questions half way through, it shows incompetence and a level of manipulation in my opinion.
The bizarre thing is that, in spite of the obviously biased and leading questions in the online survey, and in spite of leaving it open to the same manipulation as we see here with the comment votes, they still didn't get the answer they were so desperate for.

Well, no doubt they will just keep going until they've managed to manipulate the answer they want. Either that or they'll just ignore public opinion altogether.
[quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: Survey people sat in traffic at 5pm on the A1237 and it will be 99% against. Survey people who live along Bootham and it will be 99% for. A survey is pointless if you don`t do it completely randomly and that would mean every household in York, far too expensive. The survey monkey that was on the COYC website cannot be trusted unless they publish every response for public scrutiny, which I doubt they will. My trust in the survey has gone since they changed the questions half way through, it shows incompetence and a level of manipulation in my opinion.[/p][/quote]The bizarre thing is that, in spite of the obviously biased and leading questions in the online survey, and in spite of leaving it open to the same manipulation as we see here with the comment votes, they still didn't get the answer they were so desperate for. Well, no doubt they will just keep going until they've managed to manipulate the answer they want. Either that or they'll just ignore public opinion altogether. JasBro
  • Score: -45

6:20pm Sat 1 Mar 14

big boy york says...

& at the same time have a survey to see if alexander should resign now & spare us another year of strife
& at the same time have a survey to see if alexander should resign now & spare us another year of strife big boy york
  • Score: 175

6:30pm Sat 1 Mar 14

inthesticks says...

JasBro wrote:
inthesticks wrote:
Survey people sat in traffic at 5pm on the A1237 and it will be 99% against. Survey people who live along Bootham and it will be 99% for. A survey is pointless if you don`t do it completely randomly and that would mean every household in York, far too expensive.
The survey monkey that was on the COYC website cannot be trusted unless they publish every response for public scrutiny, which I doubt they will. My trust in the survey has gone since they changed the questions half way through, it shows incompetence and a level of manipulation in my opinion.
The bizarre thing is that, in spite of the obviously biased and leading questions in the online survey, and in spite of leaving it open to the same manipulation as we see here with the comment votes, they still didn't get the answer they were so desperate for.

Well, no doubt they will just keep going until they've managed to manipulate the answer they want. Either that or they'll just ignore public opinion altogether.
The survey is as meaningless as the vote counter on here.
The only thing this council will understand is the lack of votes for them at the ballot box. What a quandary they give me. I cannot vote for non-socialist Labour candidates with no intellect or common sense but cannot vote for Tories or LibDems.
If there is an independent in my ward they will get my vote. Anyone standing for a pro car, pro worker party?
Just an opportunity to remind everyone - Julian Sturdy got voted in at the last GE on the promise of getting the A1237 dualled...
[quote][p][bold]JasBro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: Survey people sat in traffic at 5pm on the A1237 and it will be 99% against. Survey people who live along Bootham and it will be 99% for. A survey is pointless if you don`t do it completely randomly and that would mean every household in York, far too expensive. The survey monkey that was on the COYC website cannot be trusted unless they publish every response for public scrutiny, which I doubt they will. My trust in the survey has gone since they changed the questions half way through, it shows incompetence and a level of manipulation in my opinion.[/p][/quote]The bizarre thing is that, in spite of the obviously biased and leading questions in the online survey, and in spite of leaving it open to the same manipulation as we see here with the comment votes, they still didn't get the answer they were so desperate for. Well, no doubt they will just keep going until they've managed to manipulate the answer they want. Either that or they'll just ignore public opinion altogether.[/p][/quote]The survey is as meaningless as the vote counter on here. The only thing this council will understand is the lack of votes for them at the ballot box. What a quandary they give me. I cannot vote for non-socialist Labour candidates with no intellect or common sense but cannot vote for Tories or LibDems. If there is an independent in my ward they will get my vote. Anyone standing for a pro car, pro worker party? Just an opportunity to remind everyone - Julian Sturdy got voted in at the last GE on the promise of getting the A1237 dualled... inthesticks
  • Score: -42

6:49pm Sat 1 Mar 14

AnotherPointofView says...

inthesticks wrote:
JasBro wrote:
inthesticks wrote:
Survey people sat in traffic at 5pm on the A1237 and it will be 99% against. Survey people who live along Bootham and it will be 99% for. A survey is pointless if you don`t do it completely randomly and that would mean every household in York, far too expensive.
The survey monkey that was on the COYC website cannot be trusted unless they publish every response for public scrutiny, which I doubt they will. My trust in the survey has gone since they changed the questions half way through, it shows incompetence and a level of manipulation in my opinion.
The bizarre thing is that, in spite of the obviously biased and leading questions in the online survey, and in spite of leaving it open to the same manipulation as we see here with the comment votes, they still didn't get the answer they were so desperate for.

Well, no doubt they will just keep going until they've managed to manipulate the answer they want. Either that or they'll just ignore public opinion altogether.
The survey is as meaningless as the vote counter on here.
The only thing this council will understand is the lack of votes for them at the ballot box. What a quandary they give me. I cannot vote for non-socialist Labour candidates with no intellect or common sense but cannot vote for Tories or LibDems.
If there is an independent in my ward they will get my vote. Anyone standing for a pro car, pro worker party?
Just an opportunity to remind everyone - Julian Sturdy got voted in at the last GE on the promise of getting the A1237 dualled...
It's a shame that York Council is hijacked by party politicians (of any colour). What York needs is more independant councillors. People who are loyal to York and have York's interest at heart.
[quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JasBro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: Survey people sat in traffic at 5pm on the A1237 and it will be 99% against. Survey people who live along Bootham and it will be 99% for. A survey is pointless if you don`t do it completely randomly and that would mean every household in York, far too expensive. The survey monkey that was on the COYC website cannot be trusted unless they publish every response for public scrutiny, which I doubt they will. My trust in the survey has gone since they changed the questions half way through, it shows incompetence and a level of manipulation in my opinion.[/p][/quote]The bizarre thing is that, in spite of the obviously biased and leading questions in the online survey, and in spite of leaving it open to the same manipulation as we see here with the comment votes, they still didn't get the answer they were so desperate for. Well, no doubt they will just keep going until they've managed to manipulate the answer they want. Either that or they'll just ignore public opinion altogether.[/p][/quote]The survey is as meaningless as the vote counter on here. The only thing this council will understand is the lack of votes for them at the ballot box. What a quandary they give me. I cannot vote for non-socialist Labour candidates with no intellect or common sense but cannot vote for Tories or LibDems. If there is an independent in my ward they will get my vote. Anyone standing for a pro car, pro worker party? Just an opportunity to remind everyone - Julian Sturdy got voted in at the last GE on the promise of getting the A1237 dualled...[/p][/quote]It's a shame that York Council is hijacked by party politicians (of any colour). What York needs is more independant councillors. People who are loyal to York and have York's interest at heart. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: -91

6:53pm Sat 1 Mar 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Coun Dave Merrett, cabinet member for transport, said:
“Clearly, great minds think alike".

Truth is always served by great minds, even if they fight it.
Coun Dave Merrett, cabinet member for transport, said: “Clearly, great minds think alike". Truth is always served by great minds, even if they fight it. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -105

6:58pm Sat 1 Mar 14

inthesticks says...

YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
Coun Dave Merrett, cabinet member for transport, said:
“Clearly, great minds think alike".

Truth is always served by great minds, even if they fight it.
Can he be sued under the trade descriptions act for suggesting he has a `great mind`?
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: Coun Dave Merrett, cabinet member for transport, said: “Clearly, great minds think alike". Truth is always served by great minds, even if they fight it.[/p][/quote]Can he be sued under the trade descriptions act for suggesting he has a `great mind`? inthesticks
  • Score: -78

7:34pm Sat 1 Mar 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

inthesticks wrote:
YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
Coun Dave Merrett, cabinet member for transport, said:
“Clearly, great minds think alike".

Truth is always served by great minds, even if they fight it.
Can he be sued under the trade descriptions act for suggesting he has a `great mind`?
I guess he'd have to be claiming something believable.
[quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: Coun Dave Merrett, cabinet member for transport, said: “Clearly, great minds think alike". Truth is always served by great minds, even if they fight it.[/p][/quote]Can he be sued under the trade descriptions act for suggesting he has a `great mind`?[/p][/quote]I guess he'd have to be claiming something believable. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -58

8:52pm Sat 1 Mar 14

pedalling paul says...

inthesticks wrote:
JasBro wrote:
inthesticks wrote:
Survey people sat in traffic at 5pm on the A1237 and it will be 99% against. Survey people who live along Bootham and it will be 99% for. A survey is pointless if you don`t do it completely randomly and that would mean every household in York, far too expensive.
The survey monkey that was on the COYC website cannot be trusted unless they publish every response for public scrutiny, which I doubt they will. My trust in the survey has gone since they changed the questions half way through, it shows incompetence and a level of manipulation in my opinion.
The bizarre thing is that, in spite of the obviously biased and leading questions in the online survey, and in spite of leaving it open to the same manipulation as we see here with the comment votes, they still didn't get the answer they were so desperate for.

Well, no doubt they will just keep going until they've managed to manipulate the answer they want. Either that or they'll just ignore public opinion altogether.
The survey is as meaningless as the vote counter on here.
The only thing this council will understand is the lack of votes for them at the ballot box. What a quandary they give me. I cannot vote for non-socialist Labour candidates with no intellect or common sense but cannot vote for Tories or LibDems.
If there is an independent in my ward they will get my vote. Anyone standing for a pro car, pro worker party?
Just an opportunity to remind everyone - Julian Sturdy got voted in at the last GE on the promise of getting the A1237 dualled...
How soon would it be until a dualled A1237 became as congested as the present road? Will York ever be a car commuters paradise? Please address the prospect of a doubling or trebling of attempts to access the road network within 15 years. How can that be dealt with? Sensible answers please, that involve measures to reduce car dependancy.
[quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JasBro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: Survey people sat in traffic at 5pm on the A1237 and it will be 99% against. Survey people who live along Bootham and it will be 99% for. A survey is pointless if you don`t do it completely randomly and that would mean every household in York, far too expensive. The survey monkey that was on the COYC website cannot be trusted unless they publish every response for public scrutiny, which I doubt they will. My trust in the survey has gone since they changed the questions half way through, it shows incompetence and a level of manipulation in my opinion.[/p][/quote]The bizarre thing is that, in spite of the obviously biased and leading questions in the online survey, and in spite of leaving it open to the same manipulation as we see here with the comment votes, they still didn't get the answer they were so desperate for. Well, no doubt they will just keep going until they've managed to manipulate the answer they want. Either that or they'll just ignore public opinion altogether.[/p][/quote]The survey is as meaningless as the vote counter on here. The only thing this council will understand is the lack of votes for them at the ballot box. What a quandary they give me. I cannot vote for non-socialist Labour candidates with no intellect or common sense but cannot vote for Tories or LibDems. If there is an independent in my ward they will get my vote. Anyone standing for a pro car, pro worker party? Just an opportunity to remind everyone - Julian Sturdy got voted in at the last GE on the promise of getting the A1237 dualled...[/p][/quote]How soon would it be until a dualled A1237 became as congested as the present road? Will York ever be a car commuters paradise? Please address the prospect of a doubling or trebling of attempts to access the road network within 15 years. How can that be dealt with? Sensible answers please, that involve measures to reduce car dependancy. pedalling paul
  • Score: -914

9:23pm Sat 1 Mar 14

JasBro says...

I'll happily answer all of those questions Paul, as soon as you've answered as to why CYC officers should be involved in any way, shape, or form, in a supposedly independent appraisal.
I'll happily answer all of those questions Paul, as soon as you've answered as to why CYC officers should be involved in any way, shape, or form, in a supposedly independent appraisal. JasBro
  • Score: -8

9:27pm Sat 1 Mar 14

AnotherPointofView says...

pedalling paul wrote:
inthesticks wrote:
JasBro wrote:
inthesticks wrote:
Survey people sat in traffic at 5pm on the A1237 and it will be 99% against. Survey people who live along Bootham and it will be 99% for. A survey is pointless if you don`t do it completely randomly and that would mean every household in York, far too expensive.
The survey monkey that was on the COYC website cannot be trusted unless they publish every response for public scrutiny, which I doubt they will. My trust in the survey has gone since they changed the questions half way through, it shows incompetence and a level of manipulation in my opinion.
The bizarre thing is that, in spite of the obviously biased and leading questions in the online survey, and in spite of leaving it open to the same manipulation as we see here with the comment votes, they still didn't get the answer they were so desperate for.

Well, no doubt they will just keep going until they've managed to manipulate the answer they want. Either that or they'll just ignore public opinion altogether.
The survey is as meaningless as the vote counter on here.
The only thing this council will understand is the lack of votes for them at the ballot box. What a quandary they give me. I cannot vote for non-socialist Labour candidates with no intellect or common sense but cannot vote for Tories or LibDems.
If there is an independent in my ward they will get my vote. Anyone standing for a pro car, pro worker party?
Just an opportunity to remind everyone - Julian Sturdy got voted in at the last GE on the promise of getting the A1237 dualled...
How soon would it be until a dualled A1237 became as congested as the present road? Will York ever be a car commuters paradise? Please address the prospect of a doubling or trebling of attempts to access the road network within 15 years. How can that be dealt with? Sensible answers please, that involve measures to reduce car dependancy.
PP no city in the world will ever be a "car commuters paradise". Stop peddling your anti-car rhetoric for a moment. Many residents are car users, cyclists and pedestrians. Frequently it is impossible not to use a car to get around for whatever reason. Whether that be due to a disability, distance, load that is being carried or poor public transport.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JasBro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: Survey people sat in traffic at 5pm on the A1237 and it will be 99% against. Survey people who live along Bootham and it will be 99% for. A survey is pointless if you don`t do it completely randomly and that would mean every household in York, far too expensive. The survey monkey that was on the COYC website cannot be trusted unless they publish every response for public scrutiny, which I doubt they will. My trust in the survey has gone since they changed the questions half way through, it shows incompetence and a level of manipulation in my opinion.[/p][/quote]The bizarre thing is that, in spite of the obviously biased and leading questions in the online survey, and in spite of leaving it open to the same manipulation as we see here with the comment votes, they still didn't get the answer they were so desperate for. Well, no doubt they will just keep going until they've managed to manipulate the answer they want. Either that or they'll just ignore public opinion altogether.[/p][/quote]The survey is as meaningless as the vote counter on here. The only thing this council will understand is the lack of votes for them at the ballot box. What a quandary they give me. I cannot vote for non-socialist Labour candidates with no intellect or common sense but cannot vote for Tories or LibDems. If there is an independent in my ward they will get my vote. Anyone standing for a pro car, pro worker party? Just an opportunity to remind everyone - Julian Sturdy got voted in at the last GE on the promise of getting the A1237 dualled...[/p][/quote]How soon would it be until a dualled A1237 became as congested as the present road? Will York ever be a car commuters paradise? Please address the prospect of a doubling or trebling of attempts to access the road network within 15 years. How can that be dealt with? Sensible answers please, that involve measures to reduce car dependancy.[/p][/quote]PP no city in the world will ever be a "car commuters paradise". Stop peddling your anti-car rhetoric for a moment. Many residents are car users, cyclists and pedestrians. Frequently it is impossible not to use a car to get around for whatever reason. Whether that be due to a disability, distance, load that is being carried or poor public transport. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: 132

9:36pm Sat 1 Mar 14

bolero says...

The vote manipulating troll has got another hobby. It's cycling backwards and forwards over Lendal Bridge; when he's not trolling that is. It's becoming fairly obvious who this pathetic character is now, isn't it? Get a life man.
The vote manipulating troll has got another hobby. It's cycling backwards and forwards over Lendal Bridge; when he's not trolling that is. It's becoming fairly obvious who this pathetic character is now, isn't it? Get a life man. bolero
  • Score: -74

9:43pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Black Fox says...

For everyone’s sanity, please just open the god **** bridge.
For everyone’s sanity, please just open the god **** bridge. Black Fox
  • Score: 98

10:01pm Sat 1 Mar 14

strangebuttrue? says...

pedalling paul wrote:

"How soon would it be until a dualled A1237 became as congested as the present road? Will York ever be a car commuters paradise? Please address the prospect of a doubling or trebling of attempts to access the road network within 15 years. How can that be dealt with? Sensible answers please, that involve measures to reduce car dependancy."

Well Paul that will depend on how long it takes the council to close more roads or cause more congestion on those it does not close within the City to force people out onto the ring road. As your beloved LTP3 (YCC local transport plan 3) appears to be saying that is exactly what the council are trying to do - push cars outside of the city and make them go miles round.
pedalling paul wrote: "How soon would it be until a dualled A1237 became as congested as the present road? Will York ever be a car commuters paradise? Please address the prospect of a doubling or trebling of attempts to access the road network within 15 years. How can that be dealt with? Sensible answers please, that involve measures to reduce car dependancy." Well Paul that will depend on how long it takes the council to close more roads or cause more congestion on those it does not close within the City to force people out onto the ring road. As your beloved LTP3 (YCC local transport plan 3) appears to be saying that is exactly what the council are trying to do - push cars outside of the city and make them go miles round. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: 45

12:07am Sun 2 Mar 14

Badgers Drift says...

Whatever decision is made, Labour will be deservedly kicked out in 2015.
Whatever decision is made, Labour will be deservedly kicked out in 2015. Badgers Drift
  • Score: 144

12:17am Sun 2 Mar 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

pedalling paul wrote:
inthesticks wrote:
JasBro wrote:
inthesticks wrote:
Survey people sat in traffic at 5pm on the A1237 and it will be 99% against. Survey people who live along Bootham and it will be 99% for. A survey is pointless if you don`t do it completely randomly and that would mean every household in York, far too expensive.
The survey monkey that was on the COYC website cannot be trusted unless they publish every response for public scrutiny, which I doubt they will. My trust in the survey has gone since they changed the questions half way through, it shows incompetence and a level of manipulation in my opinion.
The bizarre thing is that, in spite of the obviously biased and leading questions in the online survey, and in spite of leaving it open to the same manipulation as we see here with the comment votes, they still didn't get the answer they were so desperate for.

Well, no doubt they will just keep going until they've managed to manipulate the answer they want. Either that or they'll just ignore public opinion altogether.
The survey is as meaningless as the vote counter on here.
The only thing this council will understand is the lack of votes for them at the ballot box. What a quandary they give me. I cannot vote for non-socialist Labour candidates with no intellect or common sense but cannot vote for Tories or LibDems.
If there is an independent in my ward they will get my vote. Anyone standing for a pro car, pro worker party?
Just an opportunity to remind everyone - Julian Sturdy got voted in at the last GE on the promise of getting the A1237 dualled...
How soon would it be until a dualled A1237 became as congested as the present road? Will York ever be a car commuters paradise? Please address the prospect of a doubling or trebling of attempts to access the road network within 15 years. How can that be dealt with? Sensible answers please, that involve measures to reduce car dependancy.
I'd like to help with the 15 year forecast that you say will double or even treble the the number of attempts to access the road network.

But before I can do that I would need to understand how the massive increase has been concluded in the first place. My attempts to verify your projections are not helped by the DofT who have made projections to 2040 non of which are anywhere near the numbers quoted (not even London).

In order to get a genuine answer there has to be a genuine quantifiable situation that can be verified.

Alternatively what is being quoted is nothing more than convenient numbers in order to support a failed project. I have heard Counc Merrett quote the same numbers so he should be in a position to explain the extreme increases.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JasBro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: Survey people sat in traffic at 5pm on the A1237 and it will be 99% against. Survey people who live along Bootham and it will be 99% for. A survey is pointless if you don`t do it completely randomly and that would mean every household in York, far too expensive. The survey monkey that was on the COYC website cannot be trusted unless they publish every response for public scrutiny, which I doubt they will. My trust in the survey has gone since they changed the questions half way through, it shows incompetence and a level of manipulation in my opinion.[/p][/quote]The bizarre thing is that, in spite of the obviously biased and leading questions in the online survey, and in spite of leaving it open to the same manipulation as we see here with the comment votes, they still didn't get the answer they were so desperate for. Well, no doubt they will just keep going until they've managed to manipulate the answer they want. Either that or they'll just ignore public opinion altogether.[/p][/quote]The survey is as meaningless as the vote counter on here. The only thing this council will understand is the lack of votes for them at the ballot box. What a quandary they give me. I cannot vote for non-socialist Labour candidates with no intellect or common sense but cannot vote for Tories or LibDems. If there is an independent in my ward they will get my vote. Anyone standing for a pro car, pro worker party? Just an opportunity to remind everyone - Julian Sturdy got voted in at the last GE on the promise of getting the A1237 dualled...[/p][/quote]How soon would it be until a dualled A1237 became as congested as the present road? Will York ever be a car commuters paradise? Please address the prospect of a doubling or trebling of attempts to access the road network within 15 years. How can that be dealt with? Sensible answers please, that involve measures to reduce car dependancy.[/p][/quote]I'd like to help with the 15 year forecast that you say will double or even treble the the number of attempts to access the road network. But before I can do that I would need to understand how the massive increase has been concluded in the first place. My attempts to verify your projections are not helped by the DofT who have made projections to 2040 non of which are anywhere near the numbers quoted (not even London). In order to get a genuine answer there has to be a genuine quantifiable situation that can be verified. Alternatively what is being quoted is nothing more than convenient numbers in order to support a failed project. I have heard Counc Merrett quote the same numbers so he should be in a position to explain the extreme increases. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: 73

12:43am Sun 2 Mar 14

Steve, says...

Forgetting the comments here for a moment, one thing that I noticed is that virtually every comment that is remotely 'pro bridge opening' has a tonne of negative ratings, are the 'pro-close' brigade really sad enough to sit in their hundreds down rating comments? FFS, what does that accomplish??!

For your own sake, close the browser and go live life.

Pedalling Paul, as much as your usual drivel amuses me out of an 'what an idiot' mindset i have to say you're getting boring now. Cars have been around since before you, will be after and haunting these pages preaching the gospel of cycling is pointless, nobody cares.
You're as bad as that halfwit Merrett who never misses an appearance for publicity as Transport Boss but doesn't actually drive.. How can we have someone in charge of the City's roads that doesn't have a licence??

The City needs someone who lives, works and commutes here.

Why not make a panel, with cabbies/couriers and bus drivers on? They'd have an informed idea of how changes will affect most routes at what times and probably have some decent plans - like dualling the 1237 to start.
Forgetting the comments here for a moment, one thing that I noticed is that virtually every comment that is remotely 'pro bridge opening' has a tonne of negative ratings, are the 'pro-close' brigade really sad enough to sit in their hundreds down rating comments? FFS, what does that accomplish??! For your own sake, close the browser and go live life. Pedalling Paul, as much as your usual drivel amuses me out of an 'what an idiot' mindset i have to say you're getting boring now. Cars have been around since before you, will be after and haunting these pages preaching the gospel of cycling is pointless, nobody cares. You're as bad as that halfwit Merrett who never misses an appearance for publicity as Transport Boss but doesn't actually drive.. How can we have someone in charge of the City's roads that doesn't have a licence?? The City needs someone who lives, works and commutes here. Why not make a panel, with cabbies/couriers and bus drivers on? They'd have an informed idea of how changes will affect most routes at what times and probably have some decent plans - like dualling the 1237 to start. Steve,
  • Score: -40

3:00am Sun 2 Mar 14

Magicman! says...

Any survey which requires voluntarily logging on to a website is skewed by self-selection and a person usually has an axe to grind, either feeling strongly pro or anti, to be motivated to seek out and complete it.”

Coun Steward said professional pollsters would give “a much more accurate reflection” of views. He said: “We have no preconceptions about the result, and neither should the Labour group – what matters is a truly fair survey.”


I would actually agree with this point... somebody who hates this closure is going to go all-out to find some way of venting their annoyance, and when they find the poll they will then let it known how they feel... whereas somebody that walks over the bridge might just think "this is nice" and then nothing more comes of it, they don't go searching out for a poll and so their view is not made known.

It'd be better to randomly pick people... have guys on museum street itself asking random people that pass by; have others on Foss Islands Road asking random drivers what they think... have guys in Parliament Street and Coney Street asking people that pass by. Or put poll cards through letter boxes (though that might not be as effective as face to face communication)
[quote]Any survey which requires voluntarily logging on to a website is skewed by self-selection and a person usually has an axe to grind, either feeling strongly pro or anti, to be motivated to seek out and complete it.” Coun Steward said professional pollsters would give “a much more accurate reflection” of views. He said: “We have no preconceptions about the result, and neither should the Labour group – what matters is a truly fair survey.” [/quote] I would actually agree with this point... somebody who hates this closure is going to go all-out to find some way of venting their annoyance, and when they find the poll they will then let it known how they feel... whereas somebody that walks over the bridge might just think "this is nice" and then nothing more comes of it, they don't go searching out for a poll and so their view is not made known. It'd be better to randomly pick people... have guys on museum street itself asking random people that pass by; have others on Foss Islands Road asking random drivers what they think... have guys in Parliament Street and Coney Street asking people that pass by. Or put poll cards through letter boxes (though that might not be as effective as face to face communication) Magicman!
  • Score: -1

8:20am Sun 2 Mar 14

eeoodares says...

What is the point, this lot are going to close it come what may, they will through enough money at it for it to be economically unviable to reopen.

Just make sure at the next elections they get voted out and then keep them out.
What is the point, this lot are going to close it come what may, they will through enough money at it for it to be economically unviable to reopen. Just make sure at the next elections they get voted out and then keep them out. eeoodares
  • Score: 76

11:05am Sun 2 Mar 14

Daisy75 says...

inthesticks wrote:
JasBro wrote:
inthesticks wrote:
Survey people sat in traffic at 5pm on the A1237 and it will be 99% against. Survey people who live along Bootham and it will be 99% for. A survey is pointless if you don`t do it completely randomly and that would mean every household in York, far too expensive.
The survey monkey that was on the COYC website cannot be trusted unless they publish every response for public scrutiny, which I doubt they will. My trust in the survey has gone since they changed the questions half way through, it shows incompetence and a level of manipulation in my opinion.
The bizarre thing is that, in spite of the obviously biased and leading questions in the online survey, and in spite of leaving it open to the same manipulation as we see here with the comment votes, they still didn't get the answer they were so desperate for.

Well, no doubt they will just keep going until they've managed to manipulate the answer they want. Either that or they'll just ignore public opinion altogether.
The survey is as meaningless as the vote counter on here.
The only thing this council will understand is the lack of votes for them at the ballot box. What a quandary they give me. I cannot vote for non-socialist Labour candidates with no intellect or common sense but cannot vote for Tories or LibDems.
If there is an independent in my ward they will get my vote. Anyone standing for a pro car, pro worker party?
Just an opportunity to remind everyone - Julian Sturdy got voted in at the last GE on the promise of getting the A1237 dualled...
Maybe the great sideways standing Andy D'gorne will stand again for the Greens, Ive missed seeing half of him in the Press photos. Though he'll be for the closure I presume, and mandatory closure of all other roads...
[quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JasBro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: Survey people sat in traffic at 5pm on the A1237 and it will be 99% against. Survey people who live along Bootham and it will be 99% for. A survey is pointless if you don`t do it completely randomly and that would mean every household in York, far too expensive. The survey monkey that was on the COYC website cannot be trusted unless they publish every response for public scrutiny, which I doubt they will. My trust in the survey has gone since they changed the questions half way through, it shows incompetence and a level of manipulation in my opinion.[/p][/quote]The bizarre thing is that, in spite of the obviously biased and leading questions in the online survey, and in spite of leaving it open to the same manipulation as we see here with the comment votes, they still didn't get the answer they were so desperate for. Well, no doubt they will just keep going until they've managed to manipulate the answer they want. Either that or they'll just ignore public opinion altogether.[/p][/quote]The survey is as meaningless as the vote counter on here. The only thing this council will understand is the lack of votes for them at the ballot box. What a quandary they give me. I cannot vote for non-socialist Labour candidates with no intellect or common sense but cannot vote for Tories or LibDems. If there is an independent in my ward they will get my vote. Anyone standing for a pro car, pro worker party? Just an opportunity to remind everyone - Julian Sturdy got voted in at the last GE on the promise of getting the A1237 dualled...[/p][/quote]Maybe the great sideways standing Andy D'gorne will stand again for the Greens, Ive missed seeing half of him in the Press photos. Though he'll be for the closure I presume, and mandatory closure of all other roads... Daisy75
  • Score: 67

11:53am Sun 2 Mar 14

Steve, says...

Magicman! wrote:
Any survey which requires voluntarily logging on to a website is skewed by self-selection and a person usually has an axe to grind, either feeling strongly pro or anti, to be motivated to seek out and complete it.”

Coun Steward said professional pollsters would give “a much more accurate reflection” of views. He said: “We have no preconceptions about the result, and neither should the Labour group – what matters is a truly fair survey.”


I would actually agree with this point... somebody who hates this closure is going to go all-out to find some way of venting their annoyance, and when they find the poll they will then let it known how they feel... whereas somebody that walks over the bridge might just think "this is nice" and then nothing more comes of it, they don't go searching out for a poll and so their view is not made known.

It'd be better to randomly pick people... have guys on museum street itself asking random people that pass by; have others on Foss Islands Road asking random drivers what they think... have guys in Parliament Street and Coney Street asking people that pass by. Or put poll cards through letter boxes (though that might not be as effective as face to face communication)
That would work but it would cost them (us), and they'd rather not empty the pot before the expenses are all nicely claimed for, and that would involve commissioning a firm; which means they have to actually do something in a day to earn that overpaid salary they're on.. would be too bigger shock to the system.
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote]Any survey which requires voluntarily logging on to a website is skewed by self-selection and a person usually has an axe to grind, either feeling strongly pro or anti, to be motivated to seek out and complete it.” Coun Steward said professional pollsters would give “a much more accurate reflection” of views. He said: “We have no preconceptions about the result, and neither should the Labour group – what matters is a truly fair survey.” [/quote] I would actually agree with this point... somebody who hates this closure is going to go all-out to find some way of venting their annoyance, and when they find the poll they will then let it known how they feel... whereas somebody that walks over the bridge might just think "this is nice" and then nothing more comes of it, they don't go searching out for a poll and so their view is not made known. It'd be better to randomly pick people... have guys on museum street itself asking random people that pass by; have others on Foss Islands Road asking random drivers what they think... have guys in Parliament Street and Coney Street asking people that pass by. Or put poll cards through letter boxes (though that might not be as effective as face to face communication)[/p][/quote]That would work but it would cost them (us), and they'd rather not empty the pot before the expenses are all nicely claimed for, and that would involve commissioning a firm; which means they have to actually do something in a day to earn that overpaid salary they're on.. would be too bigger shock to the system. Steve,
  • Score: -60

12:18pm Sun 2 Mar 14

RingoStarr says...

You always can tell whenever the vote-rigging 'troll' has struck. Pedagogue Paul gets 'plus' votes!
(Posted this yesterday as well but it 'magically' disappeared!)
You always can tell whenever the vote-rigging 'troll' has struck. Pedagogue Paul gets 'plus' votes! (Posted this yesterday as well but it 'magically' disappeared!) RingoStarr
  • Score: 172

12:55pm Sun 2 Mar 14

CaroleBaines says...

LibDem wrote:
All York residents should be able to have a vote on this. To minimise costs, send out a survey form with the Euro election poll cards due in a few weeks.

In the meantime switch off the ANPR cameras.
But isn't this why we have elected politicians? To do the job, do the research and make decisions? If all decisions are by opinion poll we might as well have a computer running the nation and we'll all sit at home with pressing the extra 'vote now' button on our remotes.

Lib Dems more than tripled the cost of doing further education, I do not remember them asking for an opinion poll on that.
[quote][p][bold]LibDem[/bold] wrote: All York residents should be able to have a vote on this. To minimise costs, send out a survey form with the Euro election poll cards due in a few weeks. In the meantime switch off the ANPR cameras.[/p][/quote]But isn't this why we have elected politicians? To do the job, do the research and make decisions? If all decisions are by opinion poll we might as well have a computer running the nation and we'll all sit at home with pressing the extra 'vote now' button on our remotes. Lib Dems more than tripled the cost of doing further education, I do not remember them asking for an opinion poll on that. CaroleBaines
  • Score: 62

1:30pm Sun 2 Mar 14

pedalling paul says...

Steve, wrote:
Forgetting the comments here for a moment, one thing that I noticed is that virtually every comment that is remotely 'pro bridge opening' has a tonne of negative ratings, are the 'pro-close' brigade really sad enough to sit in their hundreds down rating comments? FFS, what does that accomplish??!

For your own sake, close the browser and go live life.

Pedalling Paul, as much as your usual drivel amuses me out of an 'what an idiot' mindset i have to say you're getting boring now. Cars have been around since before you, will be after and haunting these pages preaching the gospel of cycling is pointless, nobody cares.
You're as bad as that halfwit Merrett who never misses an appearance for publicity as Transport Boss but doesn't actually drive.. How can we have someone in charge of the City's roads that doesn't have a licence??

The City needs someone who lives, works and commutes here.

Why not make a panel, with cabbies/couriers and bus drivers on? They'd have an informed idea of how changes will affect most routes at what times and probably have some decent plans - like dualling the 1237 to start.
You may note that I mentioned a whole range of travel choices, of which pedal power is just one. Take your blinkers off and look to the distant future. How will York cope with a trebling of demand for private car access?
[quote][p][bold]Steve,[/bold] wrote: Forgetting the comments here for a moment, one thing that I noticed is that virtually every comment that is remotely 'pro bridge opening' has a tonne of negative ratings, are the 'pro-close' brigade really sad enough to sit in their hundreds down rating comments? FFS, what does that accomplish??! For your own sake, close the browser and go live life. Pedalling Paul, as much as your usual drivel amuses me out of an 'what an idiot' mindset i have to say you're getting boring now. Cars have been around since before you, will be after and haunting these pages preaching the gospel of cycling is pointless, nobody cares. You're as bad as that halfwit Merrett who never misses an appearance for publicity as Transport Boss but doesn't actually drive.. How can we have someone in charge of the City's roads that doesn't have a licence?? The City needs someone who lives, works and commutes here. Why not make a panel, with cabbies/couriers and bus drivers on? They'd have an informed idea of how changes will affect most routes at what times and probably have some decent plans - like dualling the 1237 to start.[/p][/quote]You may note that I mentioned a whole range of travel choices, of which pedal power is just one. Take your blinkers off and look to the distant future. How will York cope with a trebling of demand for private car access? pedalling paul
  • Score: 81

2:43pm Sun 2 Mar 14

Daisy75 says...

Part of the problem here is that the Lendal bridge fiasco is all stick and no carrot. If buses were as cheap and frequent as in London, or there was better train/ tram provision, they would be a much more tempting option. Instead the council is cutting subsidies to bus companies and hence the number of routes is being cut. Even where I live just outside the 1237, buses only run every half hour, and whilst ideally everyone should walk and cycle, since we live in a country where it rains so frequently, it is unlikely anyone apart from diehards like pedalling Paul will do it every day.
Part of the problem here is that the Lendal bridge fiasco is all stick and no carrot. If buses were as cheap and frequent as in London, or there was better train/ tram provision, they would be a much more tempting option. Instead the council is cutting subsidies to bus companies and hence the number of routes is being cut. Even where I live just outside the 1237, buses only run every half hour, and whilst ideally everyone should walk and cycle, since we live in a country where it rains so frequently, it is unlikely anyone apart from diehards like pedalling Paul will do it every day. Daisy75
  • Score: 5

4:56pm Sun 2 Mar 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Lets be absolutely honest, opinion poll, Labour, NO.

Your record is the area of opinion polls is a disgraceful abuse of the results.
Lets be absolutely honest, opinion poll, Labour, NO. Your record is the area of opinion polls is a disgraceful abuse of the results. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -40

5:32pm Sun 2 Mar 14

Dr Brian says...

Silver wrote:
Didn't the council already do a survey? They got 75% negative on the closure. Think we can say this was already done so does it need to be redone?
Yes but Jimmy and his mates didn't get the result they wanted so they are doing a "fairer" survey which will only be sent to the Simpson Lang, Merrett and Alexander families so the correct result can silence the rest of us.
[quote][p][bold]Silver[/bold] wrote: Didn't the council already do a survey? They got 75% negative on the closure. Think we can say this was already done so does it need to be redone?[/p][/quote]Yes but Jimmy and his mates didn't get the result they wanted so they are doing a "fairer" survey which will only be sent to the Simpson Lang, Merrett and Alexander families so the correct result can silence the rest of us. Dr Brian
  • Score: 160

6:39pm Sun 2 Mar 14

JHardacre says...

Message to PP: Note everyone sees "measures to reduce car dependancy" as being a good thing.
You might not like that fact but that doesn't mean that you have a monopoly view that must be obeyed.

It's time CYC and other councils up and down the country started to embrace the motor car as being a very versatile means of transport and plan accordingly.
Message to PP: Note everyone sees "measures to reduce car dependancy" as being a good thing. You might not like that fact but that doesn't mean that you have a monopoly view that must be obeyed. It's time CYC and other councils up and down the country started to embrace the motor car as being a very versatile means of transport and plan accordingly. JHardacre
  • Score: 132

6:57pm Sun 2 Mar 14

CaroleBaines says...

JHardacre wrote:
Message to PP: Note everyone sees "measures to reduce car dependancy" as being a good thing.
You might not like that fact but that doesn't mean that you have a monopoly view that must be obeyed.

It's time CYC and other councils up and down the country started to embrace the motor car as being a very versatile means of transport and plan accordingly.
But that is his opinion and surely we take it as nothing other than that? What else is he supposed to do? Give something that isn't his opinion? Some people call that fibbing!
[quote][p][bold]JHardacre[/bold] wrote: Message to PP: Note everyone sees "measures to reduce car dependancy" as being a good thing. You might not like that fact but that doesn't mean that you have a monopoly view that must be obeyed. It's time CYC and other councils up and down the country started to embrace the motor car as being a very versatile means of transport and plan accordingly.[/p][/quote]But that is his opinion and surely we take it as nothing other than that? What else is he supposed to do? Give something that isn't his opinion? Some people call that fibbing! CaroleBaines
  • Score: 58

7:04pm Sun 2 Mar 14

JHardacre says...

CaroleBaines wrote:
JHardacre wrote:
Message to PP: Note everyone sees "measures to reduce car dependancy" as being a good thing.
You might not like that fact but that doesn't mean that you have a monopoly view that must be obeyed.

It's time CYC and other councils up and down the country started to embrace the motor car as being a very versatile means of transport and plan accordingly.
But that is his opinion and surely we take it as nothing other than that? What else is he supposed to do? Give something that isn't his opinion? Some people call that fibbing!
Certainly its his opinion. He's perfectly entitled to an opinion. Where he falls down is to assume that only his way is the right way, and that the rest of us are somehow wrong.
[quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHardacre[/bold] wrote: Message to PP: Note everyone sees "measures to reduce car dependancy" as being a good thing. You might not like that fact but that doesn't mean that you have a monopoly view that must be obeyed. It's time CYC and other councils up and down the country started to embrace the motor car as being a very versatile means of transport and plan accordingly.[/p][/quote]But that is his opinion and surely we take it as nothing other than that? What else is he supposed to do? Give something that isn't his opinion? Some people call that fibbing![/p][/quote]Certainly its his opinion. He's perfectly entitled to an opinion. Where he falls down is to assume that only his way is the right way, and that the rest of us are somehow wrong. JHardacre
  • Score: 104

7:05pm Sun 2 Mar 14

JHardacre says...

sorry "it's".
sorry "it's". JHardacre
  • Score: -57

7:15pm Sun 2 Mar 14

CaroleBaines says...

JHardacre wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
JHardacre wrote:
Message to PP: Note everyone sees "measures to reduce car dependancy" as being a good thing.
You might not like that fact but that doesn't mean that you have a monopoly view that must be obeyed.

It's time CYC and other councils up and down the country started to embrace the motor car as being a very versatile means of transport and plan accordingly.
But that is his opinion and surely we take it as nothing other than that? What else is he supposed to do? Give something that isn't his opinion? Some people call that fibbing!
Certainly its his opinion. He's perfectly entitled to an opinion. Where he falls down is to assume that only his way is the right way, and that the rest of us are somehow wrong.
But, and forgive me if I'm being stupid here, surely if we strongly hold an opinion, we are bound to think we are correct!?

In a board full of personal insults and crass generalisations, I tend to think Paul is a breath of fresh air. I do not always agree with him, but he is polite and tries to back up opinion with facts.

And no, I am not his mother!
[quote][p][bold]JHardacre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHardacre[/bold] wrote: Message to PP: Note everyone sees "measures to reduce car dependancy" as being a good thing. You might not like that fact but that doesn't mean that you have a monopoly view that must be obeyed. It's time CYC and other councils up and down the country started to embrace the motor car as being a very versatile means of transport and plan accordingly.[/p][/quote]But that is his opinion and surely we take it as nothing other than that? What else is he supposed to do? Give something that isn't his opinion? Some people call that fibbing![/p][/quote]Certainly its his opinion. He's perfectly entitled to an opinion. Where he falls down is to assume that only his way is the right way, and that the rest of us are somehow wrong.[/p][/quote]But, and forgive me if I'm being stupid here, surely if we strongly hold an opinion, we are bound to think we are correct!? In a board full of personal insults and crass generalisations, I tend to think Paul is a breath of fresh air. I do not always agree with him, but he is polite and tries to back up opinion with facts. And no, I am not his mother! CaroleBaines
  • Score: 1

7:57am Mon 3 Mar 14

Kevin Turvey says...

‘Steve, says
Transport Boss but doesn't actually drive.. How can we have someone in charge of the City's roads that doesn't have a licence??’

Now that explains everything!

So someone with no real life experience is making subjective decisions that affect thousands…

I wonder is Alexander can drive as well.
‘Steve, says Transport Boss but doesn't actually drive.. How can we have someone in charge of the City's roads that doesn't have a licence??’ Now that explains everything! So someone with no real life experience is making subjective decisions that affect thousands… I wonder is Alexander can drive as well. Kevin Turvey
  • Score: 6

11:46am Mon 3 Mar 14

YorkPatrol says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Steve, wrote: Forgetting the comments here for a moment, one thing that I noticed is that virtually every comment that is remotely 'pro bridge opening' has a tonne of negative ratings, are the 'pro-close' brigade really sad enough to sit in their hundreds down rating comments? FFS, what does that accomplish??! For your own sake, close the browser and go live life. Pedalling Paul, as much as your usual drivel amuses me out of an 'what an idiot' mindset i have to say you're getting boring now. Cars have been around since before you, will be after and haunting these pages preaching the gospel of cycling is pointless, nobody cares. You're as bad as that halfwit Merrett who never misses an appearance for publicity as Transport Boss but doesn't actually drive.. How can we have someone in charge of the City's roads that doesn't have a licence?? The City needs someone who lives, works and commutes here. Why not make a panel, with cabbies/couriers and bus drivers on? They'd have an informed idea of how changes will affect most routes at what times and probably have some decent plans - like dualling the 1237 to start.
You may note that I mentioned a whole range of travel choices, of which pedal power is just one. Take your blinkers off and look to the distant future. How will York cope with a trebling of demand for private car access?
On the basic theory that infrastructure needs to be expanded in-line with demand, are you saying in the same context that additional schools, hospitals and homes should not be considered in-line with population increases as they would simply “fill up”??

“How will York cope with a trebling of demand for private car access”….. Why aren’t you asking the same question of the other future infrastructure requirements such as;

Q: How will York cope with a trebling of demand for schooling?
A: Build more/Expand current

Q: How will York cope with a trebling of demand for Housing?
A: Build more/Expand current

Q: How will York cope with a trebling of demand for Hospitals?
A: Build more/Expand current

And finally;

Q: How will York cope with a trebling of demand for private car access?
A: Build more roads/expand and do not close current….. not, get a bike!

You really need to get a grip and get over this anti motorist nonsense – you talk utter rubbish!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve,[/bold] wrote: Forgetting the comments here for a moment, one thing that I noticed is that virtually every comment that is remotely 'pro bridge opening' has a tonne of negative ratings, are the 'pro-close' brigade really sad enough to sit in their hundreds down rating comments? FFS, what does that accomplish??! For your own sake, close the browser and go live life. Pedalling Paul, as much as your usual drivel amuses me out of an 'what an idiot' mindset i have to say you're getting boring now. Cars have been around since before you, will be after and haunting these pages preaching the gospel of cycling is pointless, nobody cares. You're as bad as that halfwit Merrett who never misses an appearance for publicity as Transport Boss but doesn't actually drive.. How can we have someone in charge of the City's roads that doesn't have a licence?? The City needs someone who lives, works and commutes here. Why not make a panel, with cabbies/couriers and bus drivers on? They'd have an informed idea of how changes will affect most routes at what times and probably have some decent plans - like dualling the 1237 to start.[/p][/quote]You may note that I mentioned a whole range of travel choices, of which pedal power is just one. Take your blinkers off and look to the distant future. How will York cope with a trebling of demand for private car access?[/p][/quote]On the basic theory that infrastructure needs to be expanded in-line with demand, are you saying in the same context that additional schools, hospitals and homes should not be considered in-line with population increases as they would simply “fill up”?? “How will York cope with a trebling of demand for private car access”….. Why aren’t you asking the same question of the other future infrastructure requirements such as; Q: How will York cope with a trebling of demand for schooling? A: Build more/Expand current Q: How will York cope with a trebling of demand for Housing? A: Build more/Expand current Q: How will York cope with a trebling of demand for Hospitals? A: Build more/Expand current And finally; Q: How will York cope with a trebling of demand for private car access? A: Build more roads/expand and do not close current….. not, get a bike! You really need to get a grip and get over this anti motorist nonsense – you talk utter rubbish! YorkPatrol
  • Score: 6

12:03pm Mon 3 Mar 14

carpon says...

I have voted with my feet or more so with my car and Van I need for work every day. Shop in Leeds now and will be working more in Leeds than York. How can you run a business in York? “ I will be with you in half an hour”, and arrive an hour late because you are sat polluting residents in Leeman road or fighting to get out of Clifton moor. Close the bridge permanently, in fact why not just close York centre and turn it into a museum?
There is no growth for permanent jobs in York anymore; the infrastructure is a complete shambles run by idiots. Part time seasonal jobs do not pay mortgages etc.
Do I ride a cycle regular, Yes, but without my van I would not have the money to buy one! , And yes I was born and still live in York 48 years.
York’s Transport policy is as good as asking a passenger on the Titanic, to bale out the water with a teaspoon. Same result in the end. Just my opinion
I have voted with my feet or more so with my car and Van I need for work every day. Shop in Leeds now and will be working more in Leeds than York. How can you run a business in York? “ I will be with you in half an hour”, and arrive an hour late because you are sat polluting residents in Leeman road or fighting to get out of Clifton moor. Close the bridge permanently, in fact why not just close York centre and turn it into a museum? There is no growth for permanent jobs in York anymore; the infrastructure is a complete shambles run by idiots. Part time seasonal jobs do not pay mortgages etc. Do I ride a cycle regular, Yes, but without my van I would not have the money to buy one! , And yes I was born and still live in York 48 years. York’s Transport policy is as good as asking a passenger on the Titanic, to bale out the water with a teaspoon. Same result in the end. Just my opinion carpon
  • Score: 13

1:07pm Mon 3 Mar 14

bolero says...

JHardacre wrote:
sorry "it's".
Why does this corrective comment require -57 votes? Really!
[quote][p][bold]JHardacre[/bold] wrote: sorry "it's".[/p][/quote]Why does this corrective comment require -57 votes? Really! bolero
  • Score: 3

1:21pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Steve, wrote: Forgetting the comments here for a moment, one thing that I noticed is that virtually every comment that is remotely 'pro bridge opening' has a tonne of negative ratings, are the 'pro-close' brigade really sad enough to sit in their hundreds down rating comments? FFS, what does that accomplish??! For your own sake, close the browser and go live life. Pedalling Paul, as much as your usual drivel amuses me out of an 'what an idiot' mindset i have to say you're getting boring now. Cars have been around since before you, will be after and haunting these pages preaching the gospel of cycling is pointless, nobody cares. You're as bad as that halfwit Merrett who never misses an appearance for publicity as Transport Boss but doesn't actually drive.. How can we have someone in charge of the City's roads that doesn't have a licence?? The City needs someone who lives, works and commutes here. Why not make a panel, with cabbies/couriers and bus drivers on? They'd have an informed idea of how changes will affect most routes at what times and probably have some decent plans - like dualling the 1237 to start.
You may note that I mentioned a whole range of travel choices, of which pedal power is just one. Take your blinkers off and look to the distant future. How will York cope with a trebling of demand for private car access?
Paul i agree that the future needs to be examined and money invested. But where has this persona come that in years to come car demand in York with treble? The trend is that less people are using cars as they are expensive to run (backed up by surveys). Investing in the transport section is not just creating more bus and cycle lanes. They need to tap into infrastructure and make one large investment for the future. Other cities have managed it or are looking into it. Why can't a city with a large station provide the capacity for stations or parking zones on the outskirts? all this council do is think ah yeh lets be green... lets plonk some more lights and tarmac down and call it a bus or cycle lane... this is not the future... nor is closing the bridge.. Especially when the trend of cars in the centre is dented by john Lewis and m&s on the outskirts... i know that everyone will be going there instead of town.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve,[/bold] wrote: Forgetting the comments here for a moment, one thing that I noticed is that virtually every comment that is remotely 'pro bridge opening' has a tonne of negative ratings, are the 'pro-close' brigade really sad enough to sit in their hundreds down rating comments? FFS, what does that accomplish??! For your own sake, close the browser and go live life. Pedalling Paul, as much as your usual drivel amuses me out of an 'what an idiot' mindset i have to say you're getting boring now. Cars have been around since before you, will be after and haunting these pages preaching the gospel of cycling is pointless, nobody cares. You're as bad as that halfwit Merrett who never misses an appearance for publicity as Transport Boss but doesn't actually drive.. How can we have someone in charge of the City's roads that doesn't have a licence?? The City needs someone who lives, works and commutes here. Why not make a panel, with cabbies/couriers and bus drivers on? They'd have an informed idea of how changes will affect most routes at what times and probably have some decent plans - like dualling the 1237 to start.[/p][/quote]You may note that I mentioned a whole range of travel choices, of which pedal power is just one. Take your blinkers off and look to the distant future. How will York cope with a trebling of demand for private car access?[/p][/quote]Paul i agree that the future needs to be examined and money invested. But where has this persona come that in years to come car demand in York with treble? The trend is that less people are using cars as they are expensive to run (backed up by surveys). Investing in the transport section is not just creating more bus and cycle lanes. They need to tap into infrastructure and make one large investment for the future. Other cities have managed it or are looking into it. Why can't a city with a large station provide the capacity for stations or parking zones on the outskirts? all this council do is think ah yeh lets be green... lets plonk some more lights and tarmac down and call it a bus or cycle lane... this is not the future... nor is closing the bridge.. Especially when the trend of cars in the centre is dented by john Lewis and m&s on the outskirts... i know that everyone will be going there instead of town. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 9

1:28pm Tue 4 Mar 14

meme says...

this will never be resolved by CoYC as no one trust them anymore
an opinion poll can be carried out easily and win or lose ie open or shut so long as its not manipulated by CoYC we have to accept the result. I personally am not sure of benefits as I really feel that if its closed do it properly and only allow emergency vehicles over it AND MAKE IT A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE. Cyclists should also walk too over it.
I use the bus so drop me off outside Aviva and I will walk across it. I know disabled people may find that tougher but life is tough. If you are that disabled stay on bus until it reaches Skeldergate bridge and get dropped off there.
I am not trying to be harsh but life has its unfairness and the vast minority cannot affect the vast majority
this will never be resolved by CoYC as no one trust them anymore an opinion poll can be carried out easily and win or lose ie open or shut so long as its not manipulated by CoYC we have to accept the result. I personally am not sure of benefits as I really feel that if its closed do it properly and only allow emergency vehicles over it AND MAKE IT A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE. Cyclists should also walk too over it. I use the bus so drop me off outside Aviva and I will walk across it. I know disabled people may find that tougher but life is tough. If you are that disabled stay on bus until it reaches Skeldergate bridge and get dropped off there. I am not trying to be harsh but life has its unfairness and the vast minority cannot affect the vast majority meme
  • Score: -2

6:55pm Wed 5 Mar 14

RoseD says...

Daisy75 wrote:
Part of the problem here is that the Lendal bridge fiasco is all stick and no carrot. If buses were as cheap and frequent as in London, or there was better train/ tram provision, they would be a much more tempting option. Instead the council is cutting subsidies to bus companies and hence the number of routes is being cut. Even where I live just outside the 1237, buses only run every half hour, and whilst ideally everyone should walk and cycle, since we live in a country where it rains so frequently, it is unlikely anyone apart from diehards like pedalling Paul will do it every day.
Exactly. All 'My way or the highway' bullying, with no sensible alternatives even mentioned.

Taxis should NOT be allowed to use it if other cars can't.

Build a Grande Pedestrian Bridge and call in Merrett Way. It can link up with train station, various parklands and look lovely.

I'll vote for ANYONE who supports re-opening the bridge and removing this illegal £30 toll.
[quote][p][bold]Daisy75[/bold] wrote: Part of the problem here is that the Lendal bridge fiasco is all stick and no carrot. If buses were as cheap and frequent as in London, or there was better train/ tram provision, they would be a much more tempting option. Instead the council is cutting subsidies to bus companies and hence the number of routes is being cut. Even where I live just outside the 1237, buses only run every half hour, and whilst ideally everyone should walk and cycle, since we live in a country where it rains so frequently, it is unlikely anyone apart from diehards like pedalling Paul will do it every day.[/p][/quote]Exactly. All 'My way or the highway' bullying, with no sensible alternatives even mentioned. Taxis should NOT be allowed to use it if other cars can't. Build a Grande Pedestrian Bridge and call in Merrett Way. It can link up with train station, various parklands and look lovely. I'll vote for ANYONE who supports re-opening the bridge and removing this illegal £30 toll. RoseD
  • Score: 1

9:05pm Wed 5 Mar 14

CaroleBaines says...

RoseD wrote:
Daisy75 wrote:
Part of the problem here is that the Lendal bridge fiasco is all stick and no carrot. If buses were as cheap and frequent as in London, or there was better train/ tram provision, they would be a much more tempting option. Instead the council is cutting subsidies to bus companies and hence the number of routes is being cut. Even where I live just outside the 1237, buses only run every half hour, and whilst ideally everyone should walk and cycle, since we live in a country where it rains so frequently, it is unlikely anyone apart from diehards like pedalling Paul will do it every day.
Exactly. All 'My way or the highway' bullying, with no sensible alternatives even mentioned.

Taxis should NOT be allowed to use it if other cars can't.

Build a Grande Pedestrian Bridge and call in Merrett Way. It can link up with train station, various parklands and look lovely.

I'll vote for ANYONE who supports re-opening the bridge and removing this illegal £30 toll.
So you care not a jot about any other York issue? Education, respite provision, planning, pot-holes, green issues, disabilities, economic expansion? As long as you get your bridge you'd vote for anyone? BNP presumably as long as they opened your precious route?
Heck - am glad most voters do not think like you do!!!
[quote][p][bold]RoseD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Daisy75[/bold] wrote: Part of the problem here is that the Lendal bridge fiasco is all stick and no carrot. If buses were as cheap and frequent as in London, or there was better train/ tram provision, they would be a much more tempting option. Instead the council is cutting subsidies to bus companies and hence the number of routes is being cut. Even where I live just outside the 1237, buses only run every half hour, and whilst ideally everyone should walk and cycle, since we live in a country where it rains so frequently, it is unlikely anyone apart from diehards like pedalling Paul will do it every day.[/p][/quote]Exactly. All 'My way or the highway' bullying, with no sensible alternatives even mentioned. Taxis should NOT be allowed to use it if other cars can't. Build a Grande Pedestrian Bridge and call in Merrett Way. It can link up with train station, various parklands and look lovely. I'll vote for ANYONE who supports re-opening the bridge and removing this illegal £30 toll.[/p][/quote]So you care not a jot about any other York issue? Education, respite provision, planning, pot-holes, green issues, disabilities, economic expansion? As long as you get your bridge you'd vote for anyone? BNP presumably as long as they opened your precious route? Heck - am glad most voters do not think like you do!!! CaroleBaines
  • Score: 0

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