Figures reveal fall in number of student lets in York

Concerns: Coun Mark Warters

Concerns: Coun Mark Warters

First published in News York Press: Photograph of the Author by , Chief reporter

THE long-running growth in the number of student lets in York may finally be over.

Figures obtained from City of York Council by Independent councillor Mark Warters show that the number of properties exempt from council tax because they are occupied by students has actually fallen slightly.

There were 3,677 such properties in 2013, compared with 3,701 in 2012.

The decrease comes after many years of rises, which saw numbers increase from 1,869 in 1999 to 2,375 in 2009.

However, the local authority still lost £3.39 million in council tax last year as a result of student property exemptions, although the authority has claimed previously that such losses are compensated for by Government grants.

A separate set of figures obtained by Coun Warters for his Osbaldwick ward show that the number of student properties more than trebled over the past decade. They rose from 25 in 2003 to 78 in 2013, causing a loss of council tax revenue of almost £85,000.

Coun Warters said he feared the number of student lets in Osbaldwick would increase sharply in coming years, as a result of a council policy intended to tackle the growth of student lets and other shared houses.

He claimed the “article 4” policy, which restricted the further growth of student lets in areas which already had high concentrations, such as Hull Road, would push such developments into areas with lower concentrations, such as Osbaldwick.

He also expressed concern about the loss of council tax revenue to the authority, which he said was happening as council tax payers were facing an increase in payments and essential services were being cut and jobs lost.

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8:43am Fri 28 Feb 14

roskoboskovic says...

i can only presume that the figures are doctored because when private houses come up for sale in my area,fulford rd/fishergate,most seem to be bought by landlords with a view to letting them.with the universities expanding and more foreign students coming to york how can the number of lets be dropping.
i can only presume that the figures are doctored because when private houses come up for sale in my area,fulford rd/fishergate,most seem to be bought by landlords with a view to letting them.with the universities expanding and more foreign students coming to york how can the number of lets be dropping. roskoboskovic
  • Score: 6

9:29am Fri 28 Feb 14

WhyEver says...

roskoboskovic wrote:
i can only presume that the figures are doctored because when private houses come up for sale in my area,fulford rd/fishergate,most seem to be bought by landlords with a view to letting them.with the universities expanding and more foreign students coming to york how can the number of lets be dropping.
There has been loads of student accommodation built in the past few years - down Lawrence Street, around St Johns, in Hungate. There are two colleges on Heslington East with a third under construction. All of these will be reducing the demand for houses.

Who is claiming to have lost £3.39 million in council tax - Mr Waters, the Council or the Press? The government has always said it compensates councils - have they stopped doing that?
[quote][p][bold]roskoboskovic[/bold] wrote: i can only presume that the figures are doctored because when private houses come up for sale in my area,fulford rd/fishergate,most seem to be bought by landlords with a view to letting them.with the universities expanding and more foreign students coming to york how can the number of lets be dropping.[/p][/quote]There has been loads of student accommodation built in the past few years - down Lawrence Street, around St Johns, in Hungate. There are two colleges on Heslington East with a third under construction. All of these will be reducing the demand for houses. Who is claiming to have lost £3.39 million in council tax - Mr Waters, the Council or the Press? The government has always said it compensates councils - have they stopped doing that? WhyEver
  • Score: 7

9:53am Fri 28 Feb 14

BL2 says...

Having seen the rent prices advertised outside the new student accommodation behind the shell garage on Hull Road, I'm not surprised they prefer to rent privately! A shared house must be far cheaper!
Having seen the rent prices advertised outside the new student accommodation behind the shell garage on Hull Road, I'm not surprised they prefer to rent privately! A shared house must be far cheaper! BL2
  • Score: 8

10:17am Fri 28 Feb 14

Mulgrave says...

The new purpose built accommodation together with Article 4 must have had an effect.

There is no question there are grants to offset the "lost" council tax, but I think it is fair comment to say they have suffered cuts. It should be remembered there are many other people who don't pay full council tax on their property.

I don't know whether some think the purpose built accommodation is like a series of small "cells" with single beds off a long landing with a bathroom at the end - the reality is that what is built is a series of "cluster" flats, with perhaps 3 to 5 very comfortable double bedded rooms with desks etc and ensuites, and a living room and kitchen, all furnished to a very high standard with large TVs. When it comes down to it not much different in cost or size as would be needed for flats aimed at young professionals, which students obviously aspire to become if they are prepared to pay £9,000 a year in tuition fees.

Perhaps the key point is you still need to provide services for students, who will not pay any Council tax in their flats, and whilst families moving into any home formerly occupied by students will pay the tax, they will also add to the demands on the council particularly for education and welfare for any children.
The new purpose built accommodation together with Article 4 must have had an effect. There is no question there are grants to offset the "lost" council tax, but I think it is fair comment to say they have suffered cuts. It should be remembered there are many other people who don't pay full council tax on their property. I don't know whether some think the purpose built accommodation is like a series of small "cells" with single beds off a long landing with a bathroom at the end - the reality is that what is built is a series of "cluster" flats, with perhaps 3 to 5 very comfortable double bedded rooms with desks etc and ensuites, and a living room and kitchen, all furnished to a very high standard with large TVs. When it comes down to it not much different in cost or size as would be needed for flats aimed at young professionals, which students obviously aspire to become if they are prepared to pay £9,000 a year in tuition fees. Perhaps the key point is you still need to provide services for students, who will not pay any Council tax in their flats, and whilst families moving into any home formerly occupied by students will pay the tax, they will also add to the demands on the council particularly for education and welfare for any children. Mulgrave
  • Score: 5

10:54am Fri 28 Feb 14

CRWPROJ says...

Another effect of the 'student industry' that may be worth investigating by the Press is the number of student lets that become 'Housing Benefit' claimants due to jobs not materialising at the end of the tuition, with the ex-student staying resident in York.
The house chums can then sleep all day, make noise all night and not answer to anybody.
Another effect of the 'student industry' that may be worth investigating by the Press is the number of student lets that become 'Housing Benefit' claimants due to jobs not materialising at the end of the tuition, with the ex-student staying resident in York. The house chums can then sleep all day, make noise all night and not answer to anybody. CRWPROJ
  • Score: -4

10:59am Fri 28 Feb 14

wildthing666 says...

Badgerhill is a prime example of an area full of student property.
Badgerhill is a prime example of an area full of student property. wildthing666
  • Score: 7

11:13am Fri 28 Feb 14

wimtroch says...

I lived on Badger Hill and found it scandalous (and still do) that neither landlords nor students pay council tax. The Council gets 75% of lost council tax revenue back from Central Government, which means you and I (tax paying citizens;,, not the benefit scroungers of course, that is a different subject). I feel that either landlord or student should pay their own council tax, that way the Council gets 100% of its council tax (preferably from the landlord who will include the cost in their rent) and we, the taxpayers, do not have to fund rich landlords nor richer students.
I lived on Badger Hill and found it scandalous (and still do) that neither landlords nor students pay council tax. The Council gets 75% of lost council tax revenue back from Central Government, which means you and I (tax paying citizens;,, not the benefit scroungers of course, that is a different subject). I feel that either landlord or student should pay their own council tax, that way the Council gets 100% of its council tax (preferably from the landlord who will include the cost in their rent) and we, the taxpayers, do not have to fund rich landlords nor richer students. wimtroch
  • Score: 2

1:11pm Fri 28 Feb 14

York_Jester says...

wimtroch wrote:
I lived on Badger Hill and found it scandalous (and still do) that neither landlords nor students pay council tax. The Council gets 75% of lost council tax revenue back from Central Government, which means you and I (tax paying citizens;,, not the benefit scroungers of course, that is a different subject). I feel that either landlord or student should pay their own council tax, that way the Council gets 100% of its council tax (preferably from the landlord who will include the cost in their rent) and we, the taxpayers, do not have to fund rich landlords nor richer students.
Give it a rest, rich students? I've met a handful in my lifetime, most are struggling to make ends meet while trying to better themselves.

Students are a massive contribution to York's economy. The 2 universities employ a huge amount of people.

Also students are much less of a drain on local services than others. They don't require social care, very few of them drive and they don't claim housing benefit.
[quote][p][bold]wimtroch[/bold] wrote: I lived on Badger Hill and found it scandalous (and still do) that neither landlords nor students pay council tax. The Council gets 75% of lost council tax revenue back from Central Government, which means you and I (tax paying citizens;,, not the benefit scroungers of course, that is a different subject). I feel that either landlord or student should pay their own council tax, that way the Council gets 100% of its council tax (preferably from the landlord who will include the cost in their rent) and we, the taxpayers, do not have to fund rich landlords nor richer students.[/p][/quote]Give it a rest, rich students? I've met a handful in my lifetime, most are struggling to make ends meet while trying to better themselves. Students are a massive contribution to York's economy. The 2 universities employ a huge amount of people. Also students are much less of a drain on local services than others. They don't require social care, very few of them drive and they don't claim housing benefit. York_Jester
  • Score: 4

1:48pm Fri 28 Feb 14

malonemalone says...

York_Jester wrote:
wimtroch wrote:
I lived on Badger Hill and found it scandalous (and still do) that neither landlords nor students pay council tax. The Council gets 75% of lost council tax revenue back from Central Government, which means you and I (tax paying citizens;,, not the benefit scroungers of course, that is a different subject). I feel that either landlord or student should pay their own council tax, that way the Council gets 100% of its council tax (preferably from the landlord who will include the cost in their rent) and we, the taxpayers, do not have to fund rich landlords nor richer students.
Give it a rest, rich students? I've met a handful in my lifetime, most are struggling to make ends meet while trying to better themselves.

Students are a massive contribution to York's economy. The 2 universities employ a huge amount of people.

Also students are much less of a drain on local services than others. They don't require social care, very few of them drive and they don't claim housing benefit.
try living in amongst them when they have no concern at all for the surrounding area with regards to littering etc.............star
t charging them council tax i say .............hey contribute nothing other than disturbance
[quote][p][bold]York_Jester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wimtroch[/bold] wrote: I lived on Badger Hill and found it scandalous (and still do) that neither landlords nor students pay council tax. The Council gets 75% of lost council tax revenue back from Central Government, which means you and I (tax paying citizens;,, not the benefit scroungers of course, that is a different subject). I feel that either landlord or student should pay their own council tax, that way the Council gets 100% of its council tax (preferably from the landlord who will include the cost in their rent) and we, the taxpayers, do not have to fund rich landlords nor richer students.[/p][/quote]Give it a rest, rich students? I've met a handful in my lifetime, most are struggling to make ends meet while trying to better themselves. Students are a massive contribution to York's economy. The 2 universities employ a huge amount of people. Also students are much less of a drain on local services than others. They don't require social care, very few of them drive and they don't claim housing benefit.[/p][/quote]try living in amongst them when they have no concern at all for the surrounding area with regards to littering etc.............star t charging them council tax i say .............hey contribute nothing other than disturbance malonemalone
  • Score: 1

4:41pm Fri 28 Feb 14

York_Jester says...

malonemalone wrote:
York_Jester wrote:
wimtroch wrote:
I lived on Badger Hill and found it scandalous (and still do) that neither landlords nor students pay council tax. The Council gets 75% of lost council tax revenue back from Central Government, which means you and I (tax paying citizens;,, not the benefit scroungers of course, that is a different subject). I feel that either landlord or student should pay their own council tax, that way the Council gets 100% of its council tax (preferably from the landlord who will include the cost in their rent) and we, the taxpayers, do not have to fund rich landlords nor richer students.
Give it a rest, rich students? I've met a handful in my lifetime, most are struggling to make ends meet while trying to better themselves.

Students are a massive contribution to York's economy. The 2 universities employ a huge amount of people.

Also students are much less of a drain on local services than others. They don't require social care, very few of them drive and they don't claim housing benefit.
try living in amongst them when they have no concern at all for the surrounding area with regards to littering etc.............star

t charging them council tax i say .............hey contribute nothing other than disturbance
I do "live amongst them" and I get the regular stream of students from Percy's lane heading over the bridge of the Foss into town. Yeah sometimes they're a little noisy, most of the time they're no problem.

As I said before, the universities provide jobs for hundreds of York residents and the students spend money in local businesses. That is their contribution.

If you start charging council tax then you will have to give them more in loans so they can pay for it, your just overcomplicating the current system because instead of the government paying money directly to local authorities the government will pay it to students, who then pay it to the council. It will just increase the student loan bill to tax payers.
[quote][p][bold]malonemalone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]York_Jester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wimtroch[/bold] wrote: I lived on Badger Hill and found it scandalous (and still do) that neither landlords nor students pay council tax. The Council gets 75% of lost council tax revenue back from Central Government, which means you and I (tax paying citizens;,, not the benefit scroungers of course, that is a different subject). I feel that either landlord or student should pay their own council tax, that way the Council gets 100% of its council tax (preferably from the landlord who will include the cost in their rent) and we, the taxpayers, do not have to fund rich landlords nor richer students.[/p][/quote]Give it a rest, rich students? I've met a handful in my lifetime, most are struggling to make ends meet while trying to better themselves. Students are a massive contribution to York's economy. The 2 universities employ a huge amount of people. Also students are much less of a drain on local services than others. They don't require social care, very few of them drive and they don't claim housing benefit.[/p][/quote]try living in amongst them when they have no concern at all for the surrounding area with regards to littering etc.............star t charging them council tax i say .............hey contribute nothing other than disturbance[/p][/quote]I do "live amongst them" and I get the regular stream of students from Percy's lane heading over the bridge of the Foss into town. Yeah sometimes they're a little noisy, most of the time they're no problem. As I said before, the universities provide jobs for hundreds of York residents and the students spend money in local businesses. That is their contribution. If you start charging council tax then you will have to give them more in loans so they can pay for it, your just overcomplicating the current system because instead of the government paying money directly to local authorities the government will pay it to students, who then pay it to the council. It will just increase the student loan bill to tax payers. York_Jester
  • Score: -3

8:14pm Fri 28 Feb 14

wimtroch says...

Which still begs the question: why should I pay the council tax for rich students and rich landlords when I am already paying my own in full as a private tenant (i.e. without subsidy like people in council houses). I, too, contribute to York economy: I drive, drink and smoke, nobody is concerned about my financial welfare and health
Which still begs the question: why should I pay the council tax for rich students and rich landlords when I am already paying my own in full as a private tenant (i.e. without subsidy like people in council houses). I, too, contribute to York economy: I drive, drink and smoke, nobody is concerned about my financial welfare and health wimtroch
  • Score: 0

8:27pm Fri 28 Feb 14

wimtroch says...

By the way, I don't claim social care nor housing benefit (on the contrary, I contribute to the funding of the scroungers), does that mean I should not be paying council tax either?? What a stupid argument.
By the way, I don't claim social care nor housing benefit (on the contrary, I contribute to the funding of the scroungers), does that mean I should not be paying council tax either?? What a stupid argument. wimtroch
  • Score: -6

10:06pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Oyy you says...

wimtroch wrote:
Which still begs the question: why should I pay the council tax for rich students and rich landlords when I am already paying my own in full as a private tenant (i.e. without subsidy like people in council houses). I, too, contribute to York economy: I drive, drink and smoke, nobody is concerned about my financial welfare and health
Well said.....
[quote][p][bold]wimtroch[/bold] wrote: Which still begs the question: why should I pay the council tax for rich students and rich landlords when I am already paying my own in full as a private tenant (i.e. without subsidy like people in council houses). I, too, contribute to York economy: I drive, drink and smoke, nobody is concerned about my financial welfare and health[/p][/quote]Well said..... Oyy you
  • Score: 1

11:03am Sat 1 Mar 14

alanyork says...

CRWPROJ wrote:
Another effect of the 'student industry' that may be worth investigating by the Press is the number of student lets that become 'Housing Benefit' claimants due to jobs not materialising at the end of the tuition, with the ex-student staying resident in York.
The house chums can then sleep all day, make noise all night and not answer to anybody.
you are brilliant spot on bet the figure is staggering. love your summary with last sentence !
[quote][p][bold]CRWPROJ[/bold] wrote: Another effect of the 'student industry' that may be worth investigating by the Press is the number of student lets that become 'Housing Benefit' claimants due to jobs not materialising at the end of the tuition, with the ex-student staying resident in York. The house chums can then sleep all day, make noise all night and not answer to anybody.[/p][/quote]you are brilliant spot on bet the figure is staggering. love your summary with last sentence ! alanyork
  • Score: -1

11:21am Sat 1 Mar 14

alanyork says...

York_Jester wrote:
wimtroch wrote:
I lived on Badger Hill and found it scandalous (and still do) that neither landlords nor students pay council tax. The Council gets 75% of lost council tax revenue back from Central Government, which means you and I (tax paying citizens;,, not the benefit scroungers of course, that is a different subject). I feel that either landlord or student should pay their own council tax, that way the Council gets 100% of its council tax (preferably from the landlord who will include the cost in their rent) and we, the taxpayers, do not have to fund rich landlords nor richer students.
Give it a rest, rich students? I've met a handful in my lifetime, most are struggling to make ends meet while trying to better themselves.

Students are a massive contribution to York's economy. The 2 universities employ a huge amount of people.

Also students are much less of a drain on local services than others. They don't require social care, very few of them drive and they don't claim housing benefit.
you're having a laugh, the students massive contribution is to the drinking ghettos and fast food outlets.------ then we pick up the tabs for cleaning up their sick and rubbish strewn all over our lovely city and if you care to check with our hospital and A+E who look after the students with poorly tummies,i've got something in my eye,i think i've got a cold' or simply i don't feel well not forgetting tooth-ache. honestly i've witnessed all these things and more. on top of this i'm a student give me discount ! Valentines night they get Taxis to all the best restaurants and lo+behold another Taxi to the Vue then back into town to the clubs,great life ! !
[quote][p][bold]York_Jester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wimtroch[/bold] wrote: I lived on Badger Hill and found it scandalous (and still do) that neither landlords nor students pay council tax. The Council gets 75% of lost council tax revenue back from Central Government, which means you and I (tax paying citizens;,, not the benefit scroungers of course, that is a different subject). I feel that either landlord or student should pay their own council tax, that way the Council gets 100% of its council tax (preferably from the landlord who will include the cost in their rent) and we, the taxpayers, do not have to fund rich landlords nor richer students.[/p][/quote]Give it a rest, rich students? I've met a handful in my lifetime, most are struggling to make ends meet while trying to better themselves. Students are a massive contribution to York's economy. The 2 universities employ a huge amount of people. Also students are much less of a drain on local services than others. They don't require social care, very few of them drive and they don't claim housing benefit.[/p][/quote]you're having a laugh, the students massive contribution is to the drinking ghettos and fast food outlets.------ then we pick up the tabs for cleaning up their sick and rubbish strewn all over our lovely city and if you care to check with our hospital and A+E who look after the students with poorly tummies,i've got something in my eye,i think i've got a cold' or simply i don't feel well not forgetting tooth-ache. honestly i've witnessed all these things and more. on top of this i'm a student give me discount ! Valentines night they get Taxis to all the best restaurants and lo+behold another Taxi to the Vue then back into town to the clubs,great life ! ! alanyork
  • Score: -1

11:32am Sat 1 Mar 14

Mulgrave says...

alanyork wrote:
York_Jester wrote:
wimtroch wrote:
I lived on Badger Hill and found it scandalous (and still do) that neither landlords nor students pay council tax. The Council gets 75% of lost council tax revenue back from Central Government, which means you and I (tax paying citizens;,, not the benefit scroungers of course, that is a different subject). I feel that either landlord or student should pay their own council tax, that way the Council gets 100% of its council tax (preferably from the landlord who will include the cost in their rent) and we, the taxpayers, do not have to fund rich landlords nor richer students.
Give it a rest, rich students? I've met a handful in my lifetime, most are struggling to make ends meet while trying to better themselves.

Students are a massive contribution to York's economy. The 2 universities employ a huge amount of people.

Also students are much less of a drain on local services than others. They don't require social care, very few of them drive and they don't claim housing benefit.
you're having a laugh, the students massive contribution is to the drinking ghettos and fast food outlets.------ then we pick up the tabs for cleaning up their sick and rubbish strewn all over our lovely city and if you care to check with our hospital and A+E who look after the students with poorly tummies,i've got something in my eye,i think i've got a cold' or simply i don't feel well not forgetting tooth-ache. honestly i've witnessed all these things and more. on top of this i'm a student give me discount ! Valentines night they get Taxis to all the best restaurants and lo+behold another Taxi to the Vue then back into town to the clubs,great life ! !
Yes, the hospitals are riddled with ex students as well, doctors, nurses, managers and consultants - disgraceful!
[quote][p][bold]alanyork[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]York_Jester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wimtroch[/bold] wrote: I lived on Badger Hill and found it scandalous (and still do) that neither landlords nor students pay council tax. The Council gets 75% of lost council tax revenue back from Central Government, which means you and I (tax paying citizens;,, not the benefit scroungers of course, that is a different subject). I feel that either landlord or student should pay their own council tax, that way the Council gets 100% of its council tax (preferably from the landlord who will include the cost in their rent) and we, the taxpayers, do not have to fund rich landlords nor richer students.[/p][/quote]Give it a rest, rich students? I've met a handful in my lifetime, most are struggling to make ends meet while trying to better themselves. Students are a massive contribution to York's economy. The 2 universities employ a huge amount of people. Also students are much less of a drain on local services than others. They don't require social care, very few of them drive and they don't claim housing benefit.[/p][/quote]you're having a laugh, the students massive contribution is to the drinking ghettos and fast food outlets.------ then we pick up the tabs for cleaning up their sick and rubbish strewn all over our lovely city and if you care to check with our hospital and A+E who look after the students with poorly tummies,i've got something in my eye,i think i've got a cold' or simply i don't feel well not forgetting tooth-ache. honestly i've witnessed all these things and more. on top of this i'm a student give me discount ! Valentines night they get Taxis to all the best restaurants and lo+behold another Taxi to the Vue then back into town to the clubs,great life ! ![/p][/quote]Yes, the hospitals are riddled with ex students as well, doctors, nurses, managers and consultants - disgraceful! Mulgrave
  • Score: 2

1:47pm Thu 6 Mar 14

cynic3 says...

I thought each student contributed £9,000 per annum to the York economy - and that's before getting out of bed!
I thought each student contributed £9,000 per annum to the York economy - and that's before getting out of bed! cynic3
  • Score: 0

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