York council tax to rise 1.9pc as budget decided

York Press: A library picture of inside the council chamber at City of York Council where councillors last night approved the authority’s budget plans A library picture of inside the council chamber at City of York Council where councillors last night approved the authority’s budget plans

YORK'S council tax bills are to rise by 1.9 per cent after budget plans by city leaders - including £23 million of cuts and savings - were voted through last night.

City of York Council will again turn down a Government grant, worth £778,000, which was on offer if bills were frozen. Its ruling Labour group said accepting it would have left the authority needing to save £560,000 more.

Conservative and Liberal Democrat proposals for no council tax rise were blocked at the Guildhall budget meeting, as were plans by the Greens to force a referendum on the issue.

Labour's plans, covering 2014/15 and 2015/16 - when the council expects to shed 240 jobs - are set to replace the free Minster Badge parking scheme with paid-for passes. Funding for children's centres, York Theatre Royal and York Museums Trust will be cut, although there will be more money for areas including road and footpath repairs and the York Financial Assistance Scheme.

Opposition councillors said Labour had prioritised their favoured projects over basic services. Council leader James Alexander said only his party had an economic vision for York, with opponents having "no ambition", and proceeds from higher council tax would pay for more adult social care.

He said the council had needed to save £74.3 million since the last General Election and Government funding could fall by £13.6 million over the next two years, saying: "With every year that passes, the decisions get tougher - Government cuts for York are actually getting larger - but we will see it through and York will emerge stronger.

"We're beyond efficiency savings alone, but we're taking decisions now to secure services in the long-term, and opposition parties just don't seem to understand that. We're also the party which is prepared to invest in our economy, rather than just hope for the best."

Coun Dafydd Williams, cabinet member for finance, said: "I don't know any other council which could deliver the same services to the same standard as us with a 46 per cent Government funding cut since 2010." He accused the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats of "crocodile tears" by not speaking out against these reductions, with deputy council leader Coun Tracey Simpson-Laing saying opposition parties' plans were intended to "grab headlines and keep services in the dark ages", saying: "This city cannot survive like that."

Conservative leader Coun Chris Steward said Labour "wouldn't dare" increase council tax to a level requiring a referendum, in case residents rejected it. He said: "Councils spend other people's money, so it's absolutely vital we get value for money and it's time Labour started doing that - York is doing well despite, not because of, Labour."

Fellow Conservative councillor Paul Healey criticised Labour's spending on the Reinvigorate York city-centre revamp scheme, which the Tories wanted to reduce funding for. He said: "There is clear blue water between us on this - Labour say it's value for money, we would rather see funds go towards bins and street-cleaning.

"I don't know many tourists who come to York and talk about its really nice new squares, but I do hear them complaining about the litter in those squares and in the streets."

Coun Keith Aspden, who leads the Liberal Democrats, said: "The Government grant is there and we should take it, so money is in residents' pockets than a council pot.

"The choices Labour have made will see services decimated, wasteful spending run riot, borrowing increase and communities become disillusioned."

Coun Nigel Ayre, who proposed an amendment which the Lib Dems said gave a straight choice between freezing council tax or putting more money into the authority's reserves, said: "It's simple - help residents, or don't help them and put the money in a council bank account.

"The Labour cabinet seems to believe it knows better than anybody else in the city how money should be spent. I find that quite embarrassing."

The Greens proposed a budget requiring a 2.9 per cent council tax rise and a referendum, with leader Coun Andy D'Agorne saying a small tax increase would not compensate for funding cuts. He said: "A referendum would give Labour and all those who care about local services a chance to show their commitment to a compassionate, caring city and really campaign for these services, rather than the current focus on economic growth and expanding the city at any price.

"These changes represent the tip of an iceberg, but a vote to support them in a referendum would really mark this city as a unique, caring place and, at a stroke, empower citizens in the face of Government-imposed austerity."

York CVS chief executive Garry Jones told councillors the budget cuts being made now would "pale into insignificance" against anticipated Government funding reductions between 2016 and 2019. He said rival parties should "put politics aside and work as a strong and united coalition which stands up to Westminster." 

Heather Mackenzie of the Unison union said a "true commitment" must be made to keep services under council control, rather than outsourcing them, and that while social enterprises and mutual organisations were considered "soft privatisation", such schemes had failed elsewhere and increased costs. However, she said: "The biggest fight is to bring an end to austerity, as the Government is using the banking crisis as an excuse to demolish public services."

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10:41pm Thu 27 Feb 14

bolero says...

Actually that should read -1.9%.
Actually that should read -1.9%. bolero
  • Score: 1

11:19pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Black Fox says...

“Deputy council leader Coun Tracey Simpson-Laing said opposition parties' plans were intended to "grab headlines and keep services in the dark ages", saying: "This city cannot survive like that."

Talking about grabbing headlines Tracey, you have already grabbed them recently, for the wrong reasons. Shame on you for the attempted cover up on the Lendal bridge closure.

You are not fit for Council.

The real shame here is that the increase in council tax will simply offset the tax payers money your extensive catalogue of mistakes have already cost the residents of York.
“Deputy council leader Coun Tracey Simpson-Laing said opposition parties' plans were intended to "grab headlines and keep services in the dark ages", saying: "This city cannot survive like that." Talking about grabbing headlines Tracey, you have already grabbed them recently, for the wrong reasons. Shame on you for the attempted cover up on the Lendal bridge closure. You are not fit for Council. The real shame here is that the increase in council tax will simply offset the tax payers money your extensive catalogue of mistakes have already cost the residents of York. Black Fox
  • Score: -33

12:20am Fri 28 Feb 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Council leader James Alexander said only his party had an economic vision for York. "With every year that passes, the decisions get tougher - Government cuts for York are actually getting larger.

And what is Labours answer, borrow more, spend more, increased costs of servicing debt while reducing basic services. Essentially we are borrowing money to buy things we can't afford and really don't need.
Council leader James Alexander said only his party had an economic vision for York. "With every year that passes, the decisions get tougher - Government cuts for York are actually getting larger. And what is Labours answer, borrow more, spend more, increased costs of servicing debt while reducing basic services. Essentially we are borrowing money to buy things we can't afford and really don't need. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -45

12:43am Fri 28 Feb 14

Badgers Drift says...

Labour's budget and their spending plans result from fiscal ignorance and moneytree economics. They are clueless about investment, and by increasing debt they are simply throwing money away through increased interest payments.

Like their bungled, botched, dishonest handling of the Lendal Bridge trial, the Labour administration are again showing their ineptitude, inexperience and arraogance with this budget.

York residents have lost all faith in the council, and in 2015, Labour will be shown the door !
Labour's budget and their spending plans result from fiscal ignorance and moneytree economics. They are clueless about investment, and by increasing debt they are simply throwing money away through increased interest payments. Like their bungled, botched, dishonest handling of the Lendal Bridge trial, the Labour administration are again showing their ineptitude, inexperience and arraogance with this budget. York residents have lost all faith in the council, and in 2015, Labour will be shown the door ! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -50

4:17am Fri 28 Feb 14

Magicman! says...

"The biggest fight is to bring an end to austerity, as the Government is using the banking crisis as an excuse to demolish public services."

That is the knub right there... get rid of publically paid-for services by stripping back council budget allocations, and eventually all services will be contracted out to private companies - many would likely directly charge those who have to use the service.
[quote]"The biggest fight is to bring an end to austerity, as the Government is using the banking crisis as an excuse to demolish public services." [/quote] That is the knub right there... get rid of publically paid-for services by stripping back council budget allocations, and eventually all services will be contracted out to private companies - many would likely directly charge those who have to use the service. Magicman!
  • Score: -54

6:31am Fri 28 Feb 14

Digeorge says...

Another rise when others are frozen. Shame on you York City Council.
Another rise when others are frozen. Shame on you York City Council. Digeorge
  • Score: -14

7:42am Fri 28 Feb 14

oldgoat says...

I see the scoring troll has been at it again. Pity. It was a good idea, ruined by idiots.
I see the scoring troll has been at it again. Pity. It was a good idea, ruined by idiots. oldgoat
  • Score: -26

8:52am Fri 28 Feb 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Surprise... Suppose the 500k barge, 500k minster are improvements, 550k lendal & 500k 20 is plenty have to be covered for somehow... if you didn’t have the cash to undertake these luxuries then you shouldn’t have. You now come back to the people who hate you begging (or demanding as we have no choice) for more money to waste. Get a grip this is the real world stop wasting our money on sh@t schemes! Sort your house out and at least try and get a tiny bit of respect back from the people. In my current view you are scum! Not worthy to be in power! I've got an idea of where i'd like to put a 20mph sign!
Surprise... Suppose the 500k barge, 500k minster are improvements, 550k lendal & 500k 20 is plenty have to be covered for somehow... if you didn’t have the cash to undertake these luxuries then you shouldn’t have. You now come back to the people who hate you begging (or demanding as we have no choice) for more money to waste. Get a grip this is the real world stop wasting our money on sh@t schemes! Sort your house out and at least try and get a tiny bit of respect back from the people. In my current view you are scum! Not worthy to be in power! I've got an idea of where i'd like to put a 20mph sign! Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -22

9:11am Fri 28 Feb 14

DEKKA says...

The barge project will receive 'up to' 100k of funding of which it has received 25k
The barge project will receive 'up to' 100k of funding of which it has received 25k DEKKA
  • Score: 61

9:32am Fri 28 Feb 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

DEKKA wrote:
The barge project will receive 'up to' 100k of funding of which it has received 25k
Oh really? So where has the other funding come from? Is this based on official labour statements... like lendal costing £150k and receiving most from the government (or telling their own staff to lie about the real costs and the fact it would go over budget)? If your 100k is correct. Do you think that is right? Do you think wasting £100,000 on a barge is acceptable? Has it brought people to the city?

Have a think to yourself that instead of a floating deck where people can look at paintings if that money could have been put to a more constructive use.... like maybe building a brand new youth centre? maybe fixing up rowntrees parks sport facilities? Road improvements? Even fixing up the river area of the museum gardens... but no let’s buy a barge. If it was his own money and he owned this city I doubt he would have done it then... If this is one of his financial investments that the rest of us minions don’t get (didn’t know he also studied economics) then we are doomed.
[quote][p][bold]DEKKA[/bold] wrote: The barge project will receive 'up to' 100k of funding of which it has received 25k[/p][/quote]Oh really? So where has the other funding come from? Is this based on official labour statements... like lendal costing £150k and receiving most from the government (or telling their own staff to lie about the real costs and the fact it would go over budget)? If your 100k is correct. Do you think that is right? Do you think wasting £100,000 on a barge is acceptable? Has it brought people to the city? Have a think to yourself that instead of a floating deck where people can look at paintings if that money could have been put to a more constructive use.... like maybe building a brand new youth centre? maybe fixing up rowntrees parks sport facilities? Road improvements? Even fixing up the river area of the museum gardens... but no let’s buy a barge. If it was his own money and he owned this city I doubt he would have done it then... If this is one of his financial investments that the rest of us minions don’t get (didn’t know he also studied economics) then we are doomed. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -28

9:43am Fri 28 Feb 14

Kelvar says...

"The choices Labour have made will see services decimated, wasteful spending run riot, borrowing increase and communities become disillusioned."

Become? BECOME?? We, the Residents, are already disillusioned with the current Council Leaders! We have already seen services decimated...We have already seen Wasteful Spending !! When will the current ruling Councillors realise that the residents of York are sick to the back teeth of them, and we cannot wait to 'GET THEM OUT'!!!
"The choices Labour have made will see services decimated, wasteful spending run riot, borrowing increase and communities become disillusioned." Become? BECOME?? We, the Residents, are already disillusioned with the current Council Leaders! We have already seen services decimated...We have already seen Wasteful Spending !! When will the current ruling Councillors realise that the residents of York are sick to the back teeth of them, and we cannot wait to 'GET THEM OUT'!!! Kelvar
  • Score: -32

9:51am Fri 28 Feb 14

BL2 says...

YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
Council leader James Alexander said only his party had an economic vision for York. "With every year that passes, the decisions get tougher - Government cuts for York are actually getting larger.

And what is Labours answer, borrow more, spend more, increased costs of servicing debt while reducing basic services. Essentially we are borrowing money to buy things we can't afford and really don't need.
The arrogance of the man as astonishing! He needs to be removed before him and his party destroy what is left of out city!
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: Council leader James Alexander said only his party had an economic vision for York. "With every year that passes, the decisions get tougher - Government cuts for York are actually getting larger. And what is Labours answer, borrow more, spend more, increased costs of servicing debt while reducing basic services. Essentially we are borrowing money to buy things we can't afford and really don't need.[/p][/quote]The arrogance of the man as astonishing! He needs to be removed before him and his party destroy what is left of out city! BL2
  • Score: -37

10:15am Fri 28 Feb 14

pedalling paul says...

Interesting letter in today's "Press from the other three group leaders, which condemns Labour for using guillotine orocedures to truncate the debate and prevent debate on opposition amendments. But were some of the the others equally guilty when they were in control? Sounds to me as though the Council's constitution needs amending, to remove the guillotine procedure.

Of course York is not insulated from the wave of Whitehall spending cuts imposed on Local Authorities. So it's likely that any other party, were it locally in power would have to follow the same broad strategy.
Interesting letter in today's "Press from the other three group leaders, which condemns Labour for using guillotine orocedures to truncate the debate and prevent debate on opposition amendments. But were some of the the others equally guilty when they were in control? Sounds to me as though the Council's constitution needs amending, to remove the guillotine procedure. Of course York is not insulated from the wave of Whitehall spending cuts imposed on Local Authorities. So it's likely that any other party, were it locally in power would have to follow the same broad strategy. pedalling paul
  • Score: 24

10:15am Fri 28 Feb 14

Dr Brian says...

So Jimmy and his mates won't have money for free from the government, but they will have money for the residents who voted them into power and will be asked again to vote them in to power next year.

Obviously Alexander is seeing what the rest of us already know - he cannot do the job so if he adopts the least popular options then he will guarantee he is not elected next year.

Good thinking Jim Boy - but maybe you could make a popular decision for just once in your misrule and resign today.
So Jimmy and his mates won't have money for free from the government, but they will have money for the residents who voted them into power and will be asked again to vote them in to power next year. Obviously Alexander is seeing what the rest of us already know - he cannot do the job so if he adopts the least popular options then he will guarantee he is not elected next year. Good thinking Jim Boy - but maybe you could make a popular decision for just once in your misrule and resign today. Dr Brian
  • Score: -14

10:19am Fri 28 Feb 14

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

They could start saving a bit of money if they turned all those bloomin' lights out...
They could start saving a bit of money if they turned all those bloomin' lights out... Ignatius Lumpopo
  • Score: -46

10:43am Fri 28 Feb 14

Piggly says...

Dr Brian wrote:
So Jimmy and his mates won't have money for free from the government, but they will have money for the residents who voted them into power and will be asked again to vote them in to power next year.

Obviously Alexander is seeing what the rest of us already know - he cannot do the job so if he adopts the least popular options then he will guarantee he is not elected next year.

Good thinking Jim Boy - but maybe you could make a popular decision for just once in your misrule and resign today.
Yes, Jim Ill.
Resign now.
You are spoiling our city and have no knowledge about finance.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: So Jimmy and his mates won't have money for free from the government, but they will have money for the residents who voted them into power and will be asked again to vote them in to power next year. Obviously Alexander is seeing what the rest of us already know - he cannot do the job so if he adopts the least popular options then he will guarantee he is not elected next year. Good thinking Jim Boy - but maybe you could make a popular decision for just once in your misrule and resign today.[/p][/quote]Yes, Jim Ill. Resign now. You are spoiling our city and have no knowledge about finance. Piggly
  • Score: -37

10:44am Fri 28 Feb 14

Piggly says...

Dr Brian wrote:
So Jimmy and his mates won't have money for free from the government, but they will have money for the residents who voted them into power and will be asked again to vote them in to power next year.

Obviously Alexander is seeing what the rest of us already know - he cannot do the job so if he adopts the least popular options then he will guarantee he is not elected next year.

Good thinking Jim Boy - but maybe you could make a popular decision for just once in your misrule and resign today.
Yes, Jim Ill.
Resign now.
You are spoiling our city and have no knowledge about finance.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: So Jimmy and his mates won't have money for free from the government, but they will have money for the residents who voted them into power and will be asked again to vote them in to power next year. Obviously Alexander is seeing what the rest of us already know - he cannot do the job so if he adopts the least popular options then he will guarantee he is not elected next year. Good thinking Jim Boy - but maybe you could make a popular decision for just once in your misrule and resign today.[/p][/quote]Yes, Jim Ill. Resign now. You are spoiling our city and have no knowledge about finance. Piggly
  • Score: -34

10:46am Fri 28 Feb 14

The Great Buda says...

Arrogant, out of touch Labour CoUnCiL cOnSpIrAcY!!!!!

(just don't mention that fact Tory controlled Selby has done the same)
Arrogant, out of touch Labour CoUnCiL cOnSpIrAcY!!!!! (just don't mention that fact Tory controlled Selby has done the same) The Great Buda
  • Score: 24

11:03am Fri 28 Feb 14

The Marshall says...

Tracey Lang is just a voice in the Labour progaganda machine.
We, the York voters, will silence you and your gang of pretend Labour council.
They are so arrogant and way out of touch with the voters.
As for the budget....what a joke. Little Jim has know idea about budgeting.
We are ready for the fall of the house Alexander in York.
Long live democracy.
Long live the Labour Party (but a short life in the Labour gangsters in York).
Tracey Lang is just a voice in the Labour progaganda machine. We, the York voters, will silence you and your gang of pretend Labour council. They are so arrogant and way out of touch with the voters. As for the budget....what a joke. Little Jim has know idea about budgeting. We are ready for the fall of the house Alexander in York. Long live democracy. Long live the Labour Party (but a short life in the Labour gangsters in York). The Marshall
  • Score: -29

12:37pm Fri 28 Feb 14

acomblass says...

and in your condemnation of TSL, JA and DM don't forget the bean counter in chief Cllr Daf Williams whose responsibility it is to advise his colleagues about options for the budget. By not taking the money on offer from the government and making the disabled pay council tax this Labour shower are hoping that they will be able to rewrite history in a year's time and be re-elected.
and in your condemnation of TSL, JA and DM don't forget the bean counter in chief Cllr Daf Williams whose responsibility it is to advise his colleagues about options for the budget. By not taking the money on offer from the government and making the disabled pay council tax this Labour shower are hoping that they will be able to rewrite history in a year's time and be re-elected. acomblass
  • Score: -46

1:21pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
DEKKA wrote:
The barge project will receive 'up to' 100k of funding of which it has received 25k
Oh really? So where has the other funding come from? Is this based on official labour statements... like lendal costing £150k and receiving most from the government (or telling their own staff to lie about the real costs and the fact it would go over budget)? If your 100k is correct. Do you think that is right? Do you think wasting £100,000 on a barge is acceptable? Has it brought people to the city?

Have a think to yourself that instead of a floating deck where people can look at paintings if that money could have been put to a more constructive use.... like maybe building a brand new youth centre? maybe fixing up rowntrees parks sport facilities? Road improvements? Even fixing up the river area of the museum gardens... but no let’s buy a barge. If it was his own money and he owned this city I doubt he would have done it then... If this is one of his financial investments that the rest of us minions don’t get (didn’t know he also studied economics) then we are doomed.
This website has a search facility.
It's well documented how much the authority have offered and how much they have actually given.
The Arts Barge Project is independent of the council and have done their own fundraising. If you're so bothered why don't you ask them? They've probably got a FB or Twitter profile.

Boy have you got carried away! I don't think you even know what the Arts Barge is, was or will be. It's a lot more than somewhere to "look at paintings"


Whinging about whichever project you personally dislike simply distracts from the real mismanagement and helps them get away with it.
Arts Barge funding? Drop in the ocean.
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DEKKA[/bold] wrote: The barge project will receive 'up to' 100k of funding of which it has received 25k[/p][/quote]Oh really? So where has the other funding come from? Is this based on official labour statements... like lendal costing £150k and receiving most from the government (or telling their own staff to lie about the real costs and the fact it would go over budget)? If your 100k is correct. Do you think that is right? Do you think wasting £100,000 on a barge is acceptable? Has it brought people to the city? Have a think to yourself that instead of a floating deck where people can look at paintings if that money could have been put to a more constructive use.... like maybe building a brand new youth centre? maybe fixing up rowntrees parks sport facilities? Road improvements? Even fixing up the river area of the museum gardens... but no let’s buy a barge. If it was his own money and he owned this city I doubt he would have done it then... If this is one of his financial investments that the rest of us minions don’t get (didn’t know he also studied economics) then we are doomed.[/p][/quote]This website has a search facility. It's well documented how much the authority have offered and how much they have actually given. The Arts Barge Project is independent of the council and have done their own fundraising. If you're so bothered why don't you ask them? They've probably got a FB or Twitter profile. Boy have you got carried away! I don't think you even know what the Arts Barge is, was or will be. It's a lot more than somewhere to "look at paintings" Whinging about whichever project you personally dislike simply distracts from the real mismanagement and helps them get away with it. Arts Barge funding? Drop in the ocean. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 39

3:26pm Fri 28 Feb 14

smiler45 says...

This shower of useless clowns like those in central government need a large boot up the backside out of this country altogether, they are surplus to requirements!
This shower of useless clowns like those in central government need a large boot up the backside out of this country altogether, they are surplus to requirements! smiler45
  • Score: -41

3:51pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
DEKKA wrote: The barge project will receive 'up to' 100k of funding of which it has received 25k
Oh really? So where has the other funding come from? Is this based on official labour statements... like lendal costing £150k and receiving most from the government (or telling their own staff to lie about the real costs and the fact it would go over budget)? If your 100k is correct. Do you think that is right? Do you think wasting £100,000 on a barge is acceptable? Has it brought people to the city? Have a think to yourself that instead of a floating deck where people can look at paintings if that money could have been put to a more constructive use.... like maybe building a brand new youth centre? maybe fixing up rowntrees parks sport facilities? Road improvements? Even fixing up the river area of the museum gardens... but no let’s buy a barge. If it was his own money and he owned this city I doubt he would have done it then... If this is one of his financial investments that the rest of us minions don’t get (didn’t know he also studied economics) then we are doomed.
This website has a search facility. It's well documented how much the authority have offered and how much they have actually given. The Arts Barge Project is independent of the council and have done their own fundraising. If you're so bothered why don't you ask them? They've probably got a FB or Twitter profile. Boy have you got carried away! I don't think you even know what the Arts Barge is, was or will be. It's a lot more than somewhere to "look at paintings" Whinging about whichever project you personally dislike simply distracts from the real mismanagement and helps them get away with it. Arts Barge funding? Drop in the ocean.
ok so the council supported it means that they had no money invested in it?? I’d suggest that you look into where the private investment for such projects comes from.

I'm bothered about them wasting money on projects and for paying ridicules amounts for projects.

But you're right... clearly me stating them on here helps them get away with it?? You're right i have got carried away... i mean f@ck it.. 2m of money which is the extra revenue that our increase in ct will create... i must be daft... You're right i'll just happily fund their daft projects going forward and keep quiet...
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DEKKA[/bold] wrote: The barge project will receive 'up to' 100k of funding of which it has received 25k[/p][/quote]Oh really? So where has the other funding come from? Is this based on official labour statements... like lendal costing £150k and receiving most from the government (or telling their own staff to lie about the real costs and the fact it would go over budget)? If your 100k is correct. Do you think that is right? Do you think wasting £100,000 on a barge is acceptable? Has it brought people to the city? Have a think to yourself that instead of a floating deck where people can look at paintings if that money could have been put to a more constructive use.... like maybe building a brand new youth centre? maybe fixing up rowntrees parks sport facilities? Road improvements? Even fixing up the river area of the museum gardens... but no let’s buy a barge. If it was his own money and he owned this city I doubt he would have done it then... If this is one of his financial investments that the rest of us minions don’t get (didn’t know he also studied economics) then we are doomed.[/p][/quote]This website has a search facility. It's well documented how much the authority have offered and how much they have actually given. The Arts Barge Project is independent of the council and have done their own fundraising. If you're so bothered why don't you ask them? They've probably got a FB or Twitter profile. Boy have you got carried away! I don't think you even know what the Arts Barge is, was or will be. It's a lot more than somewhere to "look at paintings" Whinging about whichever project you personally dislike simply distracts from the real mismanagement and helps them get away with it. Arts Barge funding? Drop in the ocean.[/p][/quote]ok so the council supported it means that they had no money invested in it?? I’d suggest that you look into where the private investment for such projects comes from. I'm bothered about them wasting money on projects and for paying ridicules amounts for projects. But you're right... clearly me stating them on here helps them get away with it?? You're right i have got carried away... i mean f@ck it.. 2m of money which is the extra revenue that our increase in ct will create... i must be daft... You're right i'll just happily fund their daft projects going forward and keep quiet... Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -47

4:57pm Fri 28 Feb 14

York_Jester says...

Works out as an extra £3-ish for me every month. I'm fine with this. York council provide a lot of fantastic events and services that are unheard of where I used to live. I'd happily pay 3x that amount.
Works out as an extra £3-ish for me every month. I'm fine with this. York council provide a lot of fantastic events and services that are unheard of where I used to live. I'd happily pay 3x that amount. York_Jester
  • Score: 12

4:59pm Fri 28 Feb 14

E=MC^2 says...

I don't believe it.... 1.9% on the average council tax Band is.. wait for it....about £30 a year, which is less than 1/2 a tank of diesel to most of you .... or a couple of weeks of lattees, or an austerity nosh up for 2 (incl wine - sorry whine) and you're complaining????? The rise barely keeps up with inflation. £30 is less than a call out charge theses days. Jeeeeeez.
I don't believe it.... 1.9% on the average council tax Band is.. wait for it....about £30 a year, which is less than 1/2 a tank of diesel to most of you .... or a couple of weeks of lattees, or an austerity nosh up for 2 (incl wine - sorry whine) and you're complaining????? The rise barely keeps up with inflation. £30 is less than a call out charge theses days. Jeeeeeez. E=MC^2
  • Score: 18

7:39pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
DEKKA wrote: The barge project will receive 'up to' 100k of funding of which it has received 25k
Oh really? So where has the other funding come from? Is this based on official labour statements... like lendal costing £150k and receiving most from the government (or telling their own staff to lie about the real costs and the fact it would go over budget)? If your 100k is correct. Do you think that is right? Do you think wasting £100,000 on a barge is acceptable? Has it brought people to the city? Have a think to yourself that instead of a floating deck where people can look at paintings if that money could have been put to a more constructive use.... like maybe building a brand new youth centre? maybe fixing up rowntrees parks sport facilities? Road improvements? Even fixing up the river area of the museum gardens... but no let’s buy a barge. If it was his own money and he owned this city I doubt he would have done it then... If this is one of his financial investments that the rest of us minions don’t get (didn’t know he also studied economics) then we are doomed.
This website has a search facility. It's well documented how much the authority have offered and how much they have actually given. The Arts Barge Project is independent of the council and have done their own fundraising. If you're so bothered why don't you ask them? They've probably got a FB or Twitter profile. Boy have you got carried away! I don't think you even know what the Arts Barge is, was or will be. It's a lot more than somewhere to "look at paintings" Whinging about whichever project you personally dislike simply distracts from the real mismanagement and helps them get away with it. Arts Barge funding? Drop in the ocean.
ok so the council supported it means that they had no money invested in it?? I’d suggest that you look into where the private investment for such projects comes from.

I'm bothered about them wasting money on projects and for paying ridicules amounts for projects.

But you're right... clearly me stating them on here helps them get away with it?? You're right i have got carried away... i mean f@ck it.. 2m of money which is the extra revenue that our increase in ct will create... i must be daft... You're right i'll just happily fund their daft projects going forward and keep quiet...
Wow you really are carried away with it aren't you?
Sooo... tell me where I said the council had "no money invested in it"

Please try to understand that £25,000 is a drop in the ocean compared to the cost of other schemes and projects, some that really inconvenience and annoy residents such as you and me.

Do you not think £25,000 is a fraction of what the project has raised itself? Ask them. I'm sure they'd be happy to tell you. Like I said FB, Twitter.

How many bus stops or dropped kerbs can a council get for £25,000? How many inches of road? How long in a care home? A school?

Compared to the long-term cultural benefits for local people that a proper arts venue could provide, like the old Arts Centre used to before it turned into just another WKD palace for visiting stags and hens, I can only see a positive.

It's peanuts and you are having a right old go about it and you don't even know what it is. You are distracting from the real issues because you personally don't like the idea of it, whatever it is.

Did you read today's "guillotine" letter?
We have a local meta-coalition!
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DEKKA[/bold] wrote: The barge project will receive 'up to' 100k of funding of which it has received 25k[/p][/quote]Oh really? So where has the other funding come from? Is this based on official labour statements... like lendal costing £150k and receiving most from the government (or telling their own staff to lie about the real costs and the fact it would go over budget)? If your 100k is correct. Do you think that is right? Do you think wasting £100,000 on a barge is acceptable? Has it brought people to the city? Have a think to yourself that instead of a floating deck where people can look at paintings if that money could have been put to a more constructive use.... like maybe building a brand new youth centre? maybe fixing up rowntrees parks sport facilities? Road improvements? Even fixing up the river area of the museum gardens... but no let’s buy a barge. If it was his own money and he owned this city I doubt he would have done it then... If this is one of his financial investments that the rest of us minions don’t get (didn’t know he also studied economics) then we are doomed.[/p][/quote]This website has a search facility. It's well documented how much the authority have offered and how much they have actually given. The Arts Barge Project is independent of the council and have done their own fundraising. If you're so bothered why don't you ask them? They've probably got a FB or Twitter profile. Boy have you got carried away! I don't think you even know what the Arts Barge is, was or will be. It's a lot more than somewhere to "look at paintings" Whinging about whichever project you personally dislike simply distracts from the real mismanagement and helps them get away with it. Arts Barge funding? Drop in the ocean.[/p][/quote]ok so the council supported it means that they had no money invested in it?? I’d suggest that you look into where the private investment for such projects comes from. I'm bothered about them wasting money on projects and for paying ridicules amounts for projects. But you're right... clearly me stating them on here helps them get away with it?? You're right i have got carried away... i mean f@ck it.. 2m of money which is the extra revenue that our increase in ct will create... i must be daft... You're right i'll just happily fund their daft projects going forward and keep quiet...[/p][/quote]Wow you really are carried away with it aren't you? Sooo... tell me where I said the council had "no money invested in it" Please try to understand that £25,000 is a drop in the ocean compared to the cost of other schemes and projects, some that really inconvenience and annoy residents such as you and me. Do you not think £25,000 is a fraction of what the project has raised itself? Ask them. I'm sure they'd be happy to tell you. Like I said FB, Twitter. How many bus stops or dropped kerbs can a council get for £25,000? How many inches of road? How long in a care home? A school? Compared to the long-term cultural benefits for local people that a proper arts venue could provide, like the old Arts Centre used to before it turned into just another WKD palace for visiting stags and hens, I can only see a positive. It's peanuts and you are having a right old go about it and you don't even know what it is. You are distracting from the real issues because you personally don't like the idea of it, whatever it is. Did you read today's "guillotine" letter? We have a local meta-coalition! Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 40

8:33pm Fri 28 Feb 14

DEKKA says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
DEKKA wrote: The barge project will receive 'up to' 100k of funding of which it has received 25k
Oh really? So where has the other funding come from? Is this based on official labour statements... like lendal costing £150k and receiving most from the government (or telling their own staff to lie about the real costs and the fact it would go over budget)? If your 100k is correct. Do you think that is right? Do you think wasting £100,000 on a barge is acceptable? Has it brought people to the city? Have a think to yourself that instead of a floating deck where people can look at paintings if that money could have been put to a more constructive use.... like maybe building a brand new youth centre? maybe fixing up rowntrees parks sport facilities? Road improvements? Even fixing up the river area of the museum gardens... but no let’s buy a barge. If it was his own money and he owned this city I doubt he would have done it then... If this is one of his financial investments that the rest of us minions don’t get (didn’t know he also studied economics) then we are doomed.
This website has a search facility. It's well documented how much the authority have offered and how much they have actually given. The Arts Barge Project is independent of the council and have done their own fundraising. If you're so bothered why don't you ask them? They've probably got a FB or Twitter profile. Boy have you got carried away! I don't think you even know what the Arts Barge is, was or will be. It's a lot more than somewhere to "look at paintings" Whinging about whichever project you personally dislike simply distracts from the real mismanagement and helps them get away with it. Arts Barge funding? Drop in the ocean.
ok so the council supported it means that they had no money invested in it?? I’d suggest that you look into where the private investment for such projects comes from.

I'm bothered about them wasting money on projects and for paying ridicules amounts for projects.

But you're right... clearly me stating them on here helps them get away with it?? You're right i have got carried away... i mean f@ck it.. 2m of money which is the extra revenue that our increase in ct will create... i must be daft... You're right i'll just happily fund their daft projects going forward and keep quiet...
I was just pointing out that the arts barge had cost CYC 25k, not 500k. Rather a large difference. Maybe you could check out www.the arts barge project.com
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DEKKA[/bold] wrote: The barge project will receive 'up to' 100k of funding of which it has received 25k[/p][/quote]Oh really? So where has the other funding come from? Is this based on official labour statements... like lendal costing £150k and receiving most from the government (or telling their own staff to lie about the real costs and the fact it would go over budget)? If your 100k is correct. Do you think that is right? Do you think wasting £100,000 on a barge is acceptable? Has it brought people to the city? Have a think to yourself that instead of a floating deck where people can look at paintings if that money could have been put to a more constructive use.... like maybe building a brand new youth centre? maybe fixing up rowntrees parks sport facilities? Road improvements? Even fixing up the river area of the museum gardens... but no let’s buy a barge. If it was his own money and he owned this city I doubt he would have done it then... If this is one of his financial investments that the rest of us minions don’t get (didn’t know he also studied economics) then we are doomed.[/p][/quote]This website has a search facility. It's well documented how much the authority have offered and how much they have actually given. The Arts Barge Project is independent of the council and have done their own fundraising. If you're so bothered why don't you ask them? They've probably got a FB or Twitter profile. Boy have you got carried away! I don't think you even know what the Arts Barge is, was or will be. It's a lot more than somewhere to "look at paintings" Whinging about whichever project you personally dislike simply distracts from the real mismanagement and helps them get away with it. Arts Barge funding? Drop in the ocean.[/p][/quote]ok so the council supported it means that they had no money invested in it?? I’d suggest that you look into where the private investment for such projects comes from. I'm bothered about them wasting money on projects and for paying ridicules amounts for projects. But you're right... clearly me stating them on here helps them get away with it?? You're right i have got carried away... i mean f@ck it.. 2m of money which is the extra revenue that our increase in ct will create... i must be daft... You're right i'll just happily fund their daft projects going forward and keep quiet...[/p][/quote]I was just pointing out that the arts barge had cost CYC 25k, not 500k. Rather a large difference. Maybe you could check out www.the arts barge project.com DEKKA
  • Score: 39

11:04pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Guy Fawkes says...

quote]about £30 a year, which is less than 1/2 a tank of diesel to most of you ....

No: that's about double the cost of an entire tank of diesel. But it's less than half the VAT and excise duty that the government chooses to charge on it.
quote]about £30 a year, which is less than 1/2 a tank of diesel to most of you .... [/quote] No: that's about double the cost of an entire tank of diesel. But it's less than half the VAT and excise duty that the government chooses to charge on it. Guy Fawkes
  • Score: 10

1:35am Sat 1 Mar 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Council leader James Alexander said only his party had an economic vision for York, with opponents having "no ambition", and proceeds from higher council tax would pay for more adult social care.

It will pay for the carers to sit in their cars in the congestion they have created in the city from what the people who provide the care say.
Council leader James Alexander said only his party had an economic vision for York, with opponents having "no ambition", and proceeds from higher council tax would pay for more adult social care. It will pay for the carers to sit in their cars in the congestion they have created in the city from what the people who provide the care say. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -23

11:33am Sat 1 Mar 14

RingoStarr says...

oldgoat wrote:
I see the scoring troll has been at it again. Pity. It was a good idea, ruined by idiots.
He certainly has! The fact that Pedagogue Paul is getting 'plus' scores tells you everything!
[quote][p][bold]oldgoat[/bold] wrote: I see the scoring troll has been at it again. Pity. It was a good idea, ruined by idiots.[/p][/quote]He certainly has! The fact that Pedagogue Paul is getting 'plus' scores tells you everything! RingoStarr
  • Score: 7

12:24pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Pedro says...

For people who can afford it, it is about right. Inflation has moved on and employees have to be paid a bit more. A living wage even. The fact that Council Tax is still levied on the disabled is a shame, because some councils (such as Durham) allow the people at the bottom to have a 100 percent grant. York Council instead have a debate about poverty (which they are fueling) instead. Hot air PR rubbish and we all know it.
For people who can afford it, it is about right. Inflation has moved on and employees have to be paid a bit more. A living wage even. The fact that Council Tax is still levied on the disabled is a shame, because some councils (such as Durham) allow the people at the bottom to have a 100 percent grant. York Council instead have a debate about poverty (which they are fueling) instead. Hot air PR rubbish and we all know it. Pedro
  • Score: 4

1:05pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

I think the point if this is that the way they are currently spending money is poor. Very poor. They were offered a grant by the government to have a freeze and declined it because they want more money. If you had shares in a company that were doing Poor would you then want to invest more? As a young lad with my own house working the council does nothing for me. Then to ask for more money I find it cheeky to be honest. Especially with all the additional money making schemes that are making my life more inconvenient while earning them a fortune. I am sick of them. The way they undertake projects that have no purpose. In my industry you improve what you have to either save you money of make this easier. Not one scheme they have done have taken this into account. Then they have the cheek to ask me to subsidise it? In these times we have to invest in smart schemes. We have to change the way we travel , live and act. To do this the people need facilities to help them not hinder them.
I think the point if this is that the way they are currently spending money is poor. Very poor. They were offered a grant by the government to have a freeze and declined it because they want more money. If you had shares in a company that were doing Poor would you then want to invest more? As a young lad with my own house working the council does nothing for me. Then to ask for more money I find it cheeky to be honest. Especially with all the additional money making schemes that are making my life more inconvenient while earning them a fortune. I am sick of them. The way they undertake projects that have no purpose. In my industry you improve what you have to either save you money of make this easier. Not one scheme they have done have taken this into account. Then they have the cheek to ask me to subsidise it? In these times we have to invest in smart schemes. We have to change the way we travel , live and act. To do this the people need facilities to help them not hinder them. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 4

4:02am Sun 2 Mar 14

Magicman! says...

Where on earth is all the money in the UK actually going? Taxes and other fees that go direct to central government stay the same or go up year on year... and yet every council in the UK is getting less and less money off the government each year, funding allocation for free bus pass subsidies has dropped once again, benefits are being cut, the health service is being cut, pensions are being cut by increasing the age that a person can get a pension... if I didn't know any better I would say the money is being sihponed off to grease somebody's palms so to speak.

I'm not just making this comment about York, the country as a whole is getting less money from central government.
Where on earth is all the money in the UK actually going? Taxes and other fees that go direct to central government stay the same or go up year on year... and yet every council in the UK is getting less and less money off the government each year, funding allocation for free bus pass subsidies has dropped once again, benefits are being cut, the health service is being cut, pensions are being cut by increasing the age that a person can get a pension... if I didn't know any better I would say the money is being sihponed off to grease somebody's palms so to speak. I'm not just making this comment about York, the country as a whole is getting less money from central government. Magicman!
  • Score: 1

1:18pm Tue 4 Mar 14

meme says...

the real point is getting value for money from the limited supply we all have whether personal or public.
This lot don't seem to care how much is spent on a project
£1.5 million on newgate market
£100000 plus on Lendal
God knows how much on new HQ
20's plenty/Clifton green road
the list goes on and on

The Council need to provide essential services at as efficient a price as it can whoever is in power
and stop wasting OUR money on vanity projects, useless consultants etc
I bet an architect from York would have done Newgate for free for the free publicity.
I know local people who would advise for free on other projects but they don't tow the party line so are ignored.
I don't care whose in power so long as whoever it is cares about York and tries to listen to the people who live here and does not treat us like idiots which is where TSL/Merritt and Alexander are really going wrong.
Officers need to be told to get on with things and stop just ticking boxes. Remove the stupid red tape and make things happen not have end less meaningless consultations/meetin
gs/Quangos etc..... all that waste time and money and LISTEN TO US
the real point is getting value for money from the limited supply we all have whether personal or public. This lot don't seem to care how much is spent on a project £1.5 million on newgate market £100000 plus on Lendal God knows how much on new HQ 20's plenty/Clifton green road the list goes on and on The Council need to provide essential services at as efficient a price as it can whoever is in power and stop wasting OUR money on vanity projects, useless consultants etc I bet an architect from York would have done Newgate for free for the free publicity. I know local people who would advise for free on other projects but they don't tow the party line so are ignored. I don't care whose in power so long as whoever it is cares about York and tries to listen to the people who live here and does not treat us like idiots which is where TSL/Merritt and Alexander are really going wrong. Officers need to be told to get on with things and stop just ticking boxes. Remove the stupid red tape and make things happen not have end less meaningless consultations/meetin gs/Quangos etc..... all that waste time and money and LISTEN TO US meme
  • Score: 1

9:27pm Tue 4 Mar 14

pault42 says...

I wonder if the sad, sad person or people who distort the voting figures on this site will be given the same number of votes in the election for the council next year? It's certainly the only way the arrogant bunch of labour councillors would get back in. But that would be corrupt I guess..
I wonder if the sad, sad person or people who distort the voting figures on this site will be given the same number of votes in the election for the council next year? It's certainly the only way the arrogant bunch of labour councillors would get back in. But that would be corrupt I guess.. pault42
  • Score: 1

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