Dirty River Foss branded an eyesore

Rubbish in the River Foss basin

A Moorhen runs across the rubbish in the Foss basin

Life buoys can also be seen floating in the River Foss

Published in News York Press: Photograph of the Author by

THE River Foss in York is clogged with rubbish, making it one of the filthiest rivers in the country, a nearby resident has claimed.

Rubbish including gas canisters, cans and bottles, polystyrene takeaway trays, and even rubbish bins and a beer keg have been spotted in the Foss river basin near Fishergate.

It accumulates each winter, leading to fears the river gives visitors a poor first impression of York.

Peter Mills has lived in Fishergate overlooking the river since 2006, but spends each summer boating and visits rivers and waterways all over the country.

He has become so fed up with rubbish in the Foss he is calling on City of York Council to carry out regular litter collections on the river.

He said: “If the council cleaned the rubbish up regularly, once a week, it wouldn’t get into this state.

“It’s disgusting for us as residents to have to look at it, but I think it’s bad for visitors who arrive in the city and use St George’s Field car park as well.

“Of everywhere we go on the waterways the Foss in York ranks, with Oxford, as the worst place for litter.”

Volunteers from the River Foss Society carry out river cleaning days for nine months of the year from April to December with the help of a City of York Council boat and staff, and although the volunteers often clear litter from the riverbanks through winter the boat cannot be used when river levels rise and temperatures fall in colder months.

Andy Binner, the council’s head of highways, said: “The council schedules maintenance works nine months of the year between April and December when river levels and temperatures are on average low enough for the boat to be able to operate.

"The council does carry out additional cleaning, if required, and following a recent routine inspection the team are scheduled to carry out a river boat clean next week.

“The council also work with voluntary community groups such as the River Foss Society in the summer months and provide the river cleaning boat and a member of staff free of charge to support cleaning the river.”

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8:11am Thu 27 Feb 14

Woody G Mellor says...

A non story if ever I've seen one. It's winter, the river floods, washing rubbish along with it that gets caught up in the Foss Basin. It's not rocket science for crying out loud. It's just one of those things you have to put up with until the river levels drop and it can be cleaned safely.
A non story if ever I've seen one. It's winter, the river floods, washing rubbish along with it that gets caught up in the Foss Basin. It's not rocket science for crying out loud. It's just one of those things you have to put up with until the river levels drop and it can be cleaned safely. Woody G Mellor
  • Score: 21

8:19am Thu 27 Feb 14

chelk says...

Well do not expect the council to do anything about it unless they think it might upset the Tourists and Stag/Hen Parties because they do not care about the Residents
Well do not expect the council to do anything about it unless they think it might upset the Tourists and Stag/Hen Parties because they do not care about the Residents chelk
  • Score: -42

8:24am Thu 27 Feb 14

Alf Garnett says...

Not a non-story. The Foss is simply an aquatic variant of the general state of the roads round York. The problem is the idle twerps who can't be bothered to take their rubbish home ( if driving) or stick it in a bin. Well done Mr. Mills but don't get too hopeful about anything being done about it. Try writing to your MP and get in touch with the Council for the Preservation of Rural England, who are very active on this front and may be able to put you in touch with similarly minded citizens. Might I also suggest the website Zilch. The more people kick of about this scourge the more likely we are to have something done about it.
Not a non-story. The Foss is simply an aquatic variant of the general state of the roads round York. The problem is the idle twerps who can't be bothered to take their rubbish home ( if driving) or stick it in a bin. Well done Mr. Mills but don't get too hopeful about anything being done about it. Try writing to your MP and get in touch with the Council for the Preservation of Rural England, who are very active on this front and may be able to put you in touch with similarly minded citizens. Might I also suggest the website Zilch. The more people kick of about this scourge the more likely we are to have something done about it. Alf Garnett
  • Score: 23

8:26am Thu 27 Feb 14

Alf Garnett says...

Alf Garnett wrote:
Not a non-story. The Foss is simply an aquatic variant of the general state of the roads round York. The problem is the idle twerps who can't be bothered to take their rubbish home ( if driving) or stick it in a bin. Well done Mr. Mills but don't get too hopeful about anything being done about it. Try writing to your MP and get in touch with the Council for the Preservation of Rural England, who are very active on this front and may be able to put you in touch with similarly minded citizens. Might I also suggest the website Zilch. The more people kick of about this scourge the more likely we are to have something done about it.
Sorry, off, not "of"
[quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: Not a non-story. The Foss is simply an aquatic variant of the general state of the roads round York. The problem is the idle twerps who can't be bothered to take their rubbish home ( if driving) or stick it in a bin. Well done Mr. Mills but don't get too hopeful about anything being done about it. Try writing to your MP and get in touch with the Council for the Preservation of Rural England, who are very active on this front and may be able to put you in touch with similarly minded citizens. Might I also suggest the website Zilch. The more people kick of about this scourge the more likely we are to have something done about it.[/p][/quote]Sorry, off, not "of" Alf Garnett
  • Score: -8

8:28am Thu 27 Feb 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

This is all down to the river flowing at around 28mph... if they put a few 20 mph speeds signs on there it would force the river to slow down and it would be a lot cleaner and safer.
This is all down to the river flowing at around 28mph... if they put a few 20 mph speeds signs on there it would force the river to slow down and it would be a lot cleaner and safer. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 59

8:44am Thu 27 Feb 14

bbecky says...

I agree this is not a 'non story'. Unfortunately it's the same on streets and roads outside the city centre. Dead,leaves, take away rubbish,, cans etc everywhere. Lots of gutters full of fallen leaves from last year which used to be cleared up .Now you have to ring up the council cleaning services to request this and most people don't know this or don't bother.
It saddens me to see how scruffy and neglected York has become. Partly everyone's responsibility re leaving rubbish for others to clean (people smoking outside the library and expecting someone else to clean up their fag ends) and partly because the council priorities are wrong.
I agree this is not a 'non story'. Unfortunately it's the same on streets and roads outside the city centre. Dead,leaves, take away rubbish,, cans etc everywhere. Lots of gutters full of fallen leaves from last year which used to be cleared up .Now you have to ring up the council cleaning services to request this and most people don't know this or don't bother. It saddens me to see how scruffy and neglected York has become. Partly everyone's responsibility re leaving rubbish for others to clean (people smoking outside the library and expecting someone else to clean up their fag ends) and partly because the council priorities are wrong. bbecky
  • Score: 28

8:56am Thu 27 Feb 14

smudge2 says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
This is all down to the river flowing at around 28mph... if they put a few 20 mph speeds signs on there it would force the river to slow down and it would be a lot cleaner and safer.
If they closed under the bridge between 7 am & 7pm during the week near Wetherspoons and fined any rubbish using it during this period then the rubbish might take a different route and not go into the Foss basin.
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: This is all down to the river flowing at around 28mph... if they put a few 20 mph speeds signs on there it would force the river to slow down and it would be a lot cleaner and safer.[/p][/quote]If they closed under the bridge between 7 am & 7pm during the week near Wetherspoons and fined any rubbish using it during this period then the rubbish might take a different route and not go into the Foss basin. smudge2
  • Score: 32

9:26am Thu 27 Feb 14

old_geezer says...

chelk wrote:
Well do not expect the council to do anything about it unless they think it might upset the Tourists and Stag/Hen Parties because they do not care about the Residents
Have you read the article, including the point about Council action? I've helped on one of the regular litter picks, and will be doing so again this year. Get your wellies on and join in.
[quote][p][bold]chelk[/bold] wrote: Well do not expect the council to do anything about it unless they think it might upset the Tourists and Stag/Hen Parties because they do not care about the Residents[/p][/quote]Have you read the article, including the point about Council action? I've helped on one of the regular litter picks, and will be doing so again this year. Get your wellies on and join in. old_geezer
  • Score: 12

9:56am Thu 27 Feb 14

pedalling paul says...

Hopefully less of an underwater graveyard for unwanted bikes now, as these can now be usefully recycled by donating to Bike Rescue http://www.bikerescu
eproject.org.uk/
Hopefully less of an underwater graveyard for unwanted bikes now, as these can now be usefully recycled by donating to Bike Rescue http://www.bikerescu eproject.org.uk/ pedalling paul
  • Score: -25

10:03am Thu 27 Feb 14

anistasia says...

It's floating debris simply get a boat scoop up the floating rubbish and dispose of it propley.
It's floating debris simply get a boat scoop up the floating rubbish and dispose of it propley. anistasia
  • Score: -2

10:26am Thu 27 Feb 14

hustler says...

There used to be a river cleaning boat (probably still is), which was moored up for months on end below the footbridge linking the MAFF building with Foss Islands Road. I cannot ever recall seeing it in action though.
There used to be a river cleaning boat (probably still is), which was moored up for months on end below the footbridge linking the MAFF building with Foss Islands Road. I cannot ever recall seeing it in action though. hustler
  • Score: 10

10:30am Thu 27 Feb 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

smudge2 wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote: This is all down to the river flowing at around 28mph... if they put a few 20 mph speeds signs on there it would force the river to slow down and it would be a lot cleaner and safer.
If they closed under the bridge between 7 am & 7pm during the week near Wetherspoons and fined any rubbish using it during this period then the rubbish might take a different route and not go into the Foss basin.
Visiting rubbish might not comeback and rubbish may just be clogged up elsewhere. The local hemp and floating bike club have already expressed an interest in this policy though. Having a clear run in that area is pretty to look at will only inconvenience the majority river rubbish.
[quote][p][bold]smudge2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: This is all down to the river flowing at around 28mph... if they put a few 20 mph speeds signs on there it would force the river to slow down and it would be a lot cleaner and safer.[/p][/quote]If they closed under the bridge between 7 am & 7pm during the week near Wetherspoons and fined any rubbish using it during this period then the rubbish might take a different route and not go into the Foss basin.[/p][/quote]Visiting rubbish might not comeback and rubbish may just be clogged up elsewhere. The local hemp and floating bike club have already expressed an interest in this policy though. Having a clear run in that area is pretty to look at will only inconvenience the majority river rubbish. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 9

10:46am Thu 27 Feb 14

Alf Garnett says...

bbecky wrote:
I agree this is not a 'non story'. Unfortunately it's the same on streets and roads outside the city centre. Dead,leaves, take away rubbish,, cans etc everywhere. Lots of gutters full of fallen leaves from last year which used to be cleared up .Now you have to ring up the council cleaning services to request this and most people don't know this or don't bother.
It saddens me to see how scruffy and neglected York has become. Partly everyone's responsibility re leaving rubbish for others to clean (people smoking outside the library and expecting someone else to clean up their fag ends) and partly because the council priorities are wrong.
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]bbecky[/bold] wrote: I agree this is not a 'non story'. Unfortunately it's the same on streets and roads outside the city centre. Dead,leaves, take away rubbish,, cans etc everywhere. Lots of gutters full of fallen leaves from last year which used to be cleared up .Now you have to ring up the council cleaning services to request this and most people don't know this or don't bother. It saddens me to see how scruffy and neglected York has become. Partly everyone's responsibility re leaving rubbish for others to clean (people smoking outside the library and expecting someone else to clean up their fag ends) and partly because the council priorities are wrong.[/p][/quote]Well said. Alf Garnett
  • Score: 6

10:51am Thu 27 Feb 14

Alf Garnett says...

old_geezer wrote:
chelk wrote:
Well do not expect the council to do anything about it unless they think it might upset the Tourists and Stag/Hen Parties because they do not care about the Residents
Have you read the article, including the point about Council action? I've helped on one of the regular litter picks, and will be doing so again this year. Get your wellies on and join in.
Good for you. However, the council could be a good deal more proactive in engaging citizens. There must be a lot of folk who would be only too willing to do something if there was a well publicised and coordinated campaign. Ultimately the problem is about unnecessary packaging and a lack of willingness to spend the money on public education and enforcement. Tax takeaway packaging, plastic bags and put a deposit in cans and bottles.
[quote][p][bold]old_geezer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chelk[/bold] wrote: Well do not expect the council to do anything about it unless they think it might upset the Tourists and Stag/Hen Parties because they do not care about the Residents[/p][/quote]Have you read the article, including the point about Council action? I've helped on one of the regular litter picks, and will be doing so again this year. Get your wellies on and join in.[/p][/quote]Good for you. However, the council could be a good deal more proactive in engaging citizens. There must be a lot of folk who would be only too willing to do something if there was a well publicised and coordinated campaign. Ultimately the problem is about unnecessary packaging and a lack of willingness to spend the money on public education and enforcement. Tax takeaway packaging, plastic bags and put a deposit in cans and bottles. Alf Garnett
  • Score: 3

10:55am Thu 27 Feb 14

roskoboskovic says...

i would have thought that the basin would have been one of the councils high priority areas because of the number of tourists aroung there.maybe alexander and his cronies never wander up that side of town and dismiss it as yet another irrelevance along with traffic congestion,disgracef
ul road surfaces and road gritting/clearing.
i would have thought that the basin would have been one of the councils high priority areas because of the number of tourists aroung there.maybe alexander and his cronies never wander up that side of town and dismiss it as yet another irrelevance along with traffic congestion,disgracef ul road surfaces and road gritting/clearing. roskoboskovic
  • Score: 5

11:00am Thu 27 Feb 14

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
smudge2 wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote: This is all down to the river flowing at around 28mph... if they put a few 20 mph speeds signs on there it would force the river to slow down and it would be a lot cleaner and safer.
If they closed under the bridge between 7 am & 7pm during the week near Wetherspoons and fined any rubbish using it during this period then the rubbish might take a different route and not go into the Foss basin.
Visiting rubbish might not comeback and rubbish may just be clogged up elsewhere. The local hemp and floating bike club have already expressed an interest in this policy though. Having a clear run in that area is pretty to look at will only inconvenience the majority river rubbish.
Some kind of mechanical cleansing device should be installed, something that would scoop out all this ugly flotsam.

Because this is York, nothing will be done unless it's to the benefit of tourists so, instead of the NRM Car Park, why not install the Big Wheel in the Foss River Basin? Affording wonderful views across the Castle Museum, Clifford's Tower, Wetherspoon's and the Bonding Warehouse, the wheel could even be powered by the flow of the river (which would keep all the environmentalists happy).

As it rotates, the wheel would scoop out the rubbish which would eventually plummet to earth in the St George''s Field Car Park, where it could be collected and chucked into the River Ouse to float downstream and become someone else's problem.
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smudge2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: This is all down to the river flowing at around 28mph... if they put a few 20 mph speeds signs on there it would force the river to slow down and it would be a lot cleaner and safer.[/p][/quote]If they closed under the bridge between 7 am & 7pm during the week near Wetherspoons and fined any rubbish using it during this period then the rubbish might take a different route and not go into the Foss basin.[/p][/quote]Visiting rubbish might not comeback and rubbish may just be clogged up elsewhere. The local hemp and floating bike club have already expressed an interest in this policy though. Having a clear run in that area is pretty to look at will only inconvenience the majority river rubbish.[/p][/quote]Some kind of mechanical cleansing device should be installed, something that would scoop out all this ugly flotsam. Because this is York, nothing will be done unless it's to the benefit of tourists so, instead of the NRM Car Park, why not install the Big Wheel in the Foss River Basin? Affording wonderful views across the Castle Museum, Clifford's Tower, Wetherspoon's and the Bonding Warehouse, the wheel could even be powered by the flow of the river (which would keep all the environmentalists happy). As it rotates, the wheel would scoop out the rubbish which would eventually plummet to earth in the St George''s Field Car Park, where it could be collected and chucked into the River Ouse to float downstream and become someone else's problem. Ignatius Lumpopo
  • Score: 11

11:05am Thu 27 Feb 14

Fabius the Delayer says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
smudge2 wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote: This is all down to the river flowing at around 28mph... if they put a few 20 mph speeds signs on there it would force the river to slow down and it would be a lot cleaner and safer.
If they closed under the bridge between 7 am & 7pm during the week near Wetherspoons and fined any rubbish using it during this period then the rubbish might take a different route and not go into the Foss basin.
Visiting rubbish might not comeback and rubbish may just be clogged up elsewhere. The local hemp and floating bike club have already expressed an interest in this policy though. Having a clear run in that area is pretty to look at will only inconvenience the majority river rubbish.
Hoo! look some sticks and mud have washed down a river !!
Close all bridge's, build no House's, ban all tourists , Save the Newts and get on ye'r Bike.. cut and past into any comment on any subject on this web site.
ps all local councils are corrupt inbred nepotistic self-serving waste of space
i think that covers it all ..
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smudge2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: This is all down to the river flowing at around 28mph... if they put a few 20 mph speeds signs on there it would force the river to slow down and it would be a lot cleaner and safer.[/p][/quote]If they closed under the bridge between 7 am & 7pm during the week near Wetherspoons and fined any rubbish using it during this period then the rubbish might take a different route and not go into the Foss basin.[/p][/quote]Visiting rubbish might not comeback and rubbish may just be clogged up elsewhere. The local hemp and floating bike club have already expressed an interest in this policy though. Having a clear run in that area is pretty to look at will only inconvenience the majority river rubbish.[/p][/quote]Hoo! look some sticks and mud have washed down a river !! Close all bridge's, build no House's, ban all tourists , Save the Newts and get on ye'r Bike.. cut and past into any comment on any subject on this web site. ps all local councils are corrupt inbred nepotistic self-serving waste of space i think that covers it all .. Fabius the Delayer
  • Score: -6

11:17am Thu 27 Feb 14

rking1977 says...

I sometimes use this site to report litter to the council...

http://www.smarteryo
rk.org.uk/Reports

It's quick and easy, and when they get a report (I'm pretty sure) they are legally obliged to do something about it.

York is indeed utterly filthy - suburbs and rural roads, as well as parts of the city centre. If I notice it as a resident, visitors certainly will.

I completely agree with Mr Garnett's comments above. I can't understand how it's cheaper to keep cleaning up huge amounts of litter than it is to make businesses package food more responsibly, influence public behaviour and enforce existing laws.

Britain needs to introduce can and bottle redemption payments (like they have in parts of Europe, Australia, the USA and Canada). You post your can or plastic/glass bottle into a machine at supermarkets and get a small payment for each.

It pays for itself because the money you get back was added at point of sale, it reduces rubbish by putting a value on litter and it rewards the responsible and penalises the irresponsible. It's win/win. So why don't we do it here?
I sometimes use this site to report litter to the council... http://www.smarteryo rk.org.uk/Reports It's quick and easy, and when they get a report (I'm pretty sure) they are legally obliged to do something about it. York is indeed utterly filthy - suburbs and rural roads, as well as parts of the city centre. If I notice it as a resident, visitors certainly will. I completely agree with Mr Garnett's comments above. I can't understand how it's cheaper to keep cleaning up huge amounts of litter than it is to make businesses package food more responsibly, influence public behaviour and enforce existing laws. Britain needs to introduce can and bottle redemption payments (like they have in parts of Europe, Australia, the USA and Canada). You post your can or plastic/glass bottle into a machine at supermarkets and get a small payment for each. It pays for itself because the money you get back was added at point of sale, it reduces rubbish by putting a value on litter and it rewards the responsible and penalises the irresponsible. It's win/win. So why don't we do it here? rking1977
  • Score: 14

11:23am Thu 27 Feb 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Fabius the Delayer wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
smudge2 wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote: This is all down to the river flowing at around 28mph... if they put a few 20 mph speeds signs on there it would force the river to slow down and it would be a lot cleaner and safer.
If they closed under the bridge between 7 am & 7pm during the week near Wetherspoons and fined any rubbish using it during this period then the rubbish might take a different route and not go into the Foss basin.
Visiting rubbish might not comeback and rubbish may just be clogged up elsewhere. The local hemp and floating bike club have already expressed an interest in this policy though. Having a clear run in that area is pretty to look at will only inconvenience the majority river rubbish.
Hoo! look some sticks and mud have washed down a river !! Close all bridge's, build no House's, ban all tourists , Save the Newts and get on ye'r Bike.. cut and past into any comment on any subject on this web site. ps all local councils are corrupt inbred nepotistic self-serving waste of space i think that covers it all ..
What about wind turbines?
[quote][p][bold]Fabius the Delayer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smudge2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: This is all down to the river flowing at around 28mph... if they put a few 20 mph speeds signs on there it would force the river to slow down and it would be a lot cleaner and safer.[/p][/quote]If they closed under the bridge between 7 am & 7pm during the week near Wetherspoons and fined any rubbish using it during this period then the rubbish might take a different route and not go into the Foss basin.[/p][/quote]Visiting rubbish might not comeback and rubbish may just be clogged up elsewhere. The local hemp and floating bike club have already expressed an interest in this policy though. Having a clear run in that area is pretty to look at will only inconvenience the majority river rubbish.[/p][/quote]Hoo! look some sticks and mud have washed down a river !! Close all bridge's, build no House's, ban all tourists , Save the Newts and get on ye'r Bike.. cut and past into any comment on any subject on this web site. ps all local councils are corrupt inbred nepotistic self-serving waste of space i think that covers it all ..[/p][/quote]What about wind turbines? Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 1

11:45am Thu 27 Feb 14

dsom73 says...

BAN THIS FILTH!!!!!1!!!1!!
BAN THIS FILTH!!!!!1!!!1!! dsom73
  • Score: 0

12:18pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Fabius the Delayer says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Fabius the Delayer wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
smudge2 wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote: This is all down to the river flowing at around 28mph... if they put a few 20 mph speeds signs on there it would force the river to slow down and it would be a lot cleaner and safer.
If they closed under the bridge between 7 am & 7pm during the week near Wetherspoons and fined any rubbish using it during this period then the rubbish might take a different route and not go into the Foss basin.
Visiting rubbish might not comeback and rubbish may just be clogged up elsewhere. The local hemp and floating bike club have already expressed an interest in this policy though. Having a clear run in that area is pretty to look at will only inconvenience the majority river rubbish.
Hoo! look some sticks and mud have washed down a river !! Close all bridge's, build no House's, ban all tourists , Save the Newts and get on ye'r Bike.. cut and past into any comment on any subject on this web site. ps all local councils are corrupt inbred nepotistic self-serving waste of space i think that covers it all ..
What about wind turbines?
**** missed one !
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fabius the Delayer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smudge2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: This is all down to the river flowing at around 28mph... if they put a few 20 mph speeds signs on there it would force the river to slow down and it would be a lot cleaner and safer.[/p][/quote]If they closed under the bridge between 7 am & 7pm during the week near Wetherspoons and fined any rubbish using it during this period then the rubbish might take a different route and not go into the Foss basin.[/p][/quote]Visiting rubbish might not comeback and rubbish may just be clogged up elsewhere. The local hemp and floating bike club have already expressed an interest in this policy though. Having a clear run in that area is pretty to look at will only inconvenience the majority river rubbish.[/p][/quote]Hoo! look some sticks and mud have washed down a river !! Close all bridge's, build no House's, ban all tourists , Save the Newts and get on ye'r Bike.. cut and past into any comment on any subject on this web site. ps all local councils are corrupt inbred nepotistic self-serving waste of space i think that covers it all ..[/p][/quote]What about wind turbines?[/p][/quote]**** missed one ! Fabius the Delayer
  • Score: -5

1:28pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Yeller Belly says...

My cat is called Mittens.
My cat is called Mittens. Yeller Belly
  • Score: 0

1:32pm Thu 27 Feb 14

brahma says...

There are swans and kingfishers seen with regularity between Layerthorpe Bridge and Castle Mill, both very fastidious birds that will not not tolerate polluted water. Last July it was possible to stand by the railings along Foss Islands and watch clearly visible shoals of young fish, trying to avoid the attention of equally obvious young pike. That is not a description of "one of the filthiest rivers in the country" even if winter has left a high level of surface litter in the basin at Castle Mills Lock.
There are swans and kingfishers seen with regularity between Layerthorpe Bridge and Castle Mill, both very fastidious birds that will not not tolerate polluted water. Last July it was possible to stand by the railings along Foss Islands and watch clearly visible shoals of young fish, trying to avoid the attention of equally obvious young pike. That is not a description of "one of the filthiest rivers in the country" even if winter has left a high level of surface litter in the basin at Castle Mills Lock. brahma
  • Score: 2

1:50pm Thu 27 Feb 14

MouseHouse says...

As the lock is almost always closed rubbish will accumulate at that point. I am sure there are other known 'hot spots' on the river.

I would like the lock to open more often, it would allow more use of the Foss by canoeists and others, The short stretch from the lock / basi up to Foss Islands Road looks like it could be a nice short paddle to add to a lazy paddle on the Ouse.

Could one of the Canoe Clubs be invited along on a tidy up weekend in exchange for acces to the Foss, with the lock open?
As the lock is almost always closed rubbish will accumulate at that point. I am sure there are other known 'hot spots' on the river. I would like the lock to open more often, it would allow more use of the Foss by canoeists and others, The short stretch from the lock / basi up to Foss Islands Road looks like it could be a nice short paddle to add to a lazy paddle on the Ouse. Could one of the Canoe Clubs be invited along on a tidy up weekend in exchange for acces to the Foss, with the lock open? MouseHouse
  • Score: 2

4:02pm Thu 27 Feb 14

petethefeet says...

Have a walk over the Northern Bypass Ouse Bridge and Observe the mess along the sides. It's atrocious. Same can be said of any lay-by in the country. The s0ds who do this need bans and their vehicles crushing. That would soon reduce congestion on the roads!
Have a walk over the Northern Bypass Ouse Bridge and Observe the mess along the sides. It's atrocious. Same can be said of any lay-by in the country. The s0ds who do this need bans and their vehicles crushing. That would soon reduce congestion on the roads! petethefeet
  • Score: 5

4:19pm Thu 27 Feb 14

rking1977 says...

petethefeet wrote:
Have a walk over the Northern Bypass Ouse Bridge and Observe the mess along the sides. It's atrocious. Same can be said of any lay-by in the country. The s0ds who do this need bans and their vehicles crushing. That would soon reduce congestion on the roads!
Has anyone else noticed the laybys on the A64 between York and Leeds (Tadcaster area especially)?

I don't think I've ever seen anywhere as filthy - every single one is carpeted with rubbish. This is the main road route thousands of visitors a week take into York. It's pathetic.
[quote][p][bold]petethefeet[/bold] wrote: Have a walk over the Northern Bypass Ouse Bridge and Observe the mess along the sides. It's atrocious. Same can be said of any lay-by in the country. The s0ds who do this need bans and their vehicles crushing. That would soon reduce congestion on the roads![/p][/quote]Has anyone else noticed the laybys on the A64 between York and Leeds (Tadcaster area especially)? I don't think I've ever seen anywhere as filthy - every single one is carpeted with rubbish. This is the main road route thousands of visitors a week take into York. It's pathetic. rking1977
  • Score: 5

6:22pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Alf Garnett says...

rking1977 wrote:
petethefeet wrote:
Have a walk over the Northern Bypass Ouse Bridge and Observe the mess along the sides. It's atrocious. Same can be said of any lay-by in the country. The s0ds who do this need bans and their vehicles crushing. That would soon reduce congestion on the roads!
Has anyone else noticed the laybys on the A64 between York and Leeds (Tadcaster area especially)?

I don't think I've ever seen anywhere as filthy - every single one is carpeted with rubbish. This is the main road route thousands of visitors a week take into York. It's pathetic.
You're right it is awful. However, though York has problems, I would suggest a drive up the A19 to the Tyne Tunnel then on up to the Border. The rubbish is prodigious and ubiquitous beyond the North Yorkshire boundary. NYCC has clearly been on the game as far as clearing goes along that road. This is a national problem but those of us who care about this state of affairs have a duty to pester those in political authority to get something done about it. After all, visitors to this city, though much derided by the drongo minority, pumped in about £500 million quid last year and we need them to keep doing it to keep the thousands of people in jobs who rely on them for their livelihoods.
[quote][p][bold]rking1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]petethefeet[/bold] wrote: Have a walk over the Northern Bypass Ouse Bridge and Observe the mess along the sides. It's atrocious. Same can be said of any lay-by in the country. The s0ds who do this need bans and their vehicles crushing. That would soon reduce congestion on the roads![/p][/quote]Has anyone else noticed the laybys on the A64 between York and Leeds (Tadcaster area especially)? I don't think I've ever seen anywhere as filthy - every single one is carpeted with rubbish. This is the main road route thousands of visitors a week take into York. It's pathetic.[/p][/quote]You're right it is awful. However, though York has problems, I would suggest a drive up the A19 to the Tyne Tunnel then on up to the Border. The rubbish is prodigious and ubiquitous beyond the North Yorkshire boundary. NYCC has clearly been on the game as far as clearing goes along that road. This is a national problem but those of us who care about this state of affairs have a duty to pester those in political authority to get something done about it. After all, visitors to this city, though much derided by the drongo minority, pumped in about £500 million quid last year and we need them to keep doing it to keep the thousands of people in jobs who rely on them for their livelihoods. Alf Garnett
  • Score: -2

4:30am Fri 28 Feb 14

Magicman! says...

Anybody thought WHY the rubbish seems to collect 'only in winter'...? More rain and the Foss floods, along with the Ouse (though the Foss has much greater control, so the water level rise is nowhere near as major as on the Ouse) - this draws in debris into the river from what was previously dry land; and because the river Ouse will be flooded, the Foss barrier is closed and water from the Foss Basin is pumped out... the inlet for the pumps is below the water level surface, and because the litter has a lighter density than water, it floats on the surface whilst the water beneath it is sucked out through the pumps into the ouse.

In the summer, any debris in the Foss just floats straight out into the Ouse and down towards the Humber because the barrier is open all or most of the season.
Anybody thought WHY the rubbish seems to collect 'only in winter'...? More rain and the Foss floods, along with the Ouse (though the Foss has much greater control, so the water level rise is nowhere near as major as on the Ouse) - this draws in debris into the river from what was previously dry land; and because the river Ouse will be flooded, the Foss barrier is closed and water from the Foss Basin is pumped out... the inlet for the pumps is below the water level surface, and because the litter has a lighter density than water, it floats on the surface whilst the water beneath it is sucked out through the pumps into the ouse. In the summer, any debris in the Foss just floats straight out into the Ouse and down towards the Humber because the barrier is open all or most of the season. Magicman!
  • Score: 3

11:22am Fri 28 Feb 14

rking1977 says...

Magicman! wrote:
Anybody thought WHY the rubbish seems to collect 'only in winter'...? More rain and the Foss floods, along with the Ouse (though the Foss has much greater control, so the water level rise is nowhere near as major as on the Ouse) - this draws in debris into the river from what was previously dry land; and because the river Ouse will be flooded, the Foss barrier is closed and water from the Foss Basin is pumped out... the inlet for the pumps is below the water level surface, and because the litter has a lighter density than water, it floats on the surface whilst the water beneath it is sucked out through the pumps into the ouse.

In the summer, any debris in the Foss just floats straight out into the Ouse and down towards the Humber because the barrier is open all or most of the season.
Anybody thought WHY there's so much rubbish collecting in the first place?

Here's a telling stat is from Keep Britain Tidy: The average UK local authority spends less than £500,000 a year on street cleaning. Frankfurt and Brussels spend €100m and €141m.

As a nation we've become so accustomed to litter we're blind to it and just accept it. Other developed countries don't. That's why virtually all of them are much cleaner than England.
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: Anybody thought WHY the rubbish seems to collect 'only in winter'...? More rain and the Foss floods, along with the Ouse (though the Foss has much greater control, so the water level rise is nowhere near as major as on the Ouse) - this draws in debris into the river from what was previously dry land; and because the river Ouse will be flooded, the Foss barrier is closed and water from the Foss Basin is pumped out... the inlet for the pumps is below the water level surface, and because the litter has a lighter density than water, it floats on the surface whilst the water beneath it is sucked out through the pumps into the ouse. In the summer, any debris in the Foss just floats straight out into the Ouse and down towards the Humber because the barrier is open all or most of the season.[/p][/quote]Anybody thought WHY there's so much rubbish collecting in the first place? Here's a telling stat is from Keep Britain Tidy: The average UK local authority spends less than £500,000 a year on street cleaning. Frankfurt and Brussels spend €100m and €141m. As a nation we've become so accustomed to litter we're blind to it and just accept it. Other developed countries don't. That's why virtually all of them are much cleaner than England. rking1977
  • Score: 1

2:02pm Fri 28 Feb 14

petethefeet says...

Magicman! wrote:
Anybody thought WHY the rubbish seems to collect 'only in winter'...? More rain and the Foss floods, along with the Ouse (though the Foss has much greater control, so the water level rise is nowhere near as major as on the Ouse) - this draws in debris into the river from what was previously dry land; and because the river Ouse will be flooded, the Foss barrier is closed and water from the Foss Basin is pumped out... the inlet for the pumps is below the water level surface, and because the litter has a lighter density than water, it floats on the surface whilst the water beneath it is sucked out through the pumps into the ouse.

In the summer, any debris in the Foss just floats straight out into the Ouse and down towards the Humber because the barrier is open all or most of the season.
Yes. Most rubbish that enters the ocean eventually reaches the North Pacific where it circulates in the North Pacific Gyre. It's an area the size of the United States and it's reckoned that hundreds of millions of tons are circulating endlessly. What a marvellous species we are!
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: Anybody thought WHY the rubbish seems to collect 'only in winter'...? More rain and the Foss floods, along with the Ouse (though the Foss has much greater control, so the water level rise is nowhere near as major as on the Ouse) - this draws in debris into the river from what was previously dry land; and because the river Ouse will be flooded, the Foss barrier is closed and water from the Foss Basin is pumped out... the inlet for the pumps is below the water level surface, and because the litter has a lighter density than water, it floats on the surface whilst the water beneath it is sucked out through the pumps into the ouse. In the summer, any debris in the Foss just floats straight out into the Ouse and down towards the Humber because the barrier is open all or most of the season.[/p][/quote]Yes. Most rubbish that enters the ocean eventually reaches the North Pacific where it circulates in the North Pacific Gyre. It's an area the size of the United States and it's reckoned that hundreds of millions of tons are circulating endlessly. What a marvellous species we are! petethefeet
  • Score: 1

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