Hotel plans could see new link road built at Layerthorpe

York Press: Hotel plans could see new link road built at Layerthorpe Hotel plans could see new link road built at Layerthorpe

A LINK road which York's leaders say is vital to easing congestion could finally be built if new hotel plans are backed.

Tiger Developments abandoned its original plan for a 124-bedroom hotel on the former gasworks site off Layerthorpe, next to the River Foss, following contamination fears, but it has now revealed a fresh proposal on a different part of the site.

The five-storey, L-shaped hotel would have the same number of rooms and ground-floor space for a shop, pub and/ or restaurant.

The scheme is expected to create 124 jobs, of them 50 full-time, and would also include a drive-through KFC restaurant and enable the remaining stage of the James Street link road.

Progress on the route, connecting Layerthorpe and Heworth Green, has stalled because of delays in developing the overall site.

Documents sent to City of York Council by consultants O’Neill Associates said the Health & Safety Executive classed land on the eastern end of the site as being in its “middle zone” for hazards and unsuitable for hotels with more than 100 beds.

Tiger Developments is now focusing on a new location at the site’s southern edge, outside the HSE’s area of concern.

In a planning statement, O’Neill’s said: “The development will bring about the completion of the link road, making a crucial contribution to the council’s efforts to reduce traffic congestion. The provision of this road has been an ambition of the council for many years.”

The council estimated in 2008 that the link road would save the city £620,000 in its first year by cutting congestion. The authority would pay half its expected £580,000 construction cost from developers’ contributions.

Coun Dave Merrett, cabinet member for transport and planning, said: “We’ve experienced some false starts in the past, but it’s vital that we work closely with developers to progress the second stage of the James Street link road.

“It will provide an important additional route in York and help relieve congestion on the east side of the city. This is a scheme we have been committed to developing for a number of years and we welcome any progression this potential development could bring.”

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11:35am Thu 6 Feb 14

Whistlejacket says...

Great news, but what we really need to reduce congestion is a link road from the Bootham / Exhibition Square area to the railway station. Does anyone have any ideas how this might be achieved?
Great news, but what we really need to reduce congestion is a link road from the Bootham / Exhibition Square area to the railway station. Does anyone have any ideas how this might be achieved? Whistlejacket
  • Score: -49

11:39am Thu 6 Feb 14

TCJYork says...

Surely, a really simple editorial decision would be to include a map in a report such as this?
Surely, a really simple editorial decision would be to include a map in a report such as this? TCJYork
  • Score: 22

11:55am Thu 6 Feb 14

Fabius the Delayer says...

Whistlejacket wrote:
Great news, but what we really need to reduce congestion is a link road from the Bootham / Exhibition Square area to the railway station. Does anyone have any ideas how this might be achieved?
Ho ! How I laughed .. Now what about a tunnel, an underground railway or cable car.. There you are didn't mention a bridge once… * oops!
[quote][p][bold]Whistlejacket[/bold] wrote: Great news, but what we really need to reduce congestion is a link road from the Bootham / Exhibition Square area to the railway station. Does anyone have any ideas how this might be achieved?[/p][/quote]Ho ! How I laughed .. Now what about a tunnel, an underground railway or cable car.. There you are didn't mention a bridge once… * oops! Fabius the Delayer
  • Score: -11

11:56am Thu 6 Feb 14

BL2 says...

A LINK road that York’s leaders say is vital to easing congestion could finally be built if new hotel plans are backed.


So they agree that more road capaicity is needed to reduce congestion? In that case why do the council (and the rprevious council) insist on reducing road capacity and closing roads?!
[quote]A LINK road that York’s leaders say is vital to easing congestion could finally be built if new hotel plans are backed. [/quote] So they agree that more road capaicity is needed to reduce congestion? In that case why do the council (and the rprevious council) insist on reducing road capacity and closing roads?! BL2
  • Score: 5

12:01pm Thu 6 Feb 14

pedalling paul says...

How long will a new road "ease congestion" for. Look beyond several of your lifetimes and for any local politicians who read this, beyond the next elections.
How long will a new road "ease congestion" for. Look beyond several of your lifetimes and for any local politicians who read this, beyond the next elections. pedalling paul
  • Score: 14

1:29pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Bo Jolly says...

Whistlejacket wrote:
Great news, but what we really need to reduce congestion is a link road from the Bootham / Exhibition Square area to the railway station. Does anyone have any ideas how this might be achieved?
Well said.

And, yes, the council seem to be admitting that new roads can ease congestion. Who'd have thought it?! Its certainly one element. I'm all for encouraging the use of public transport and cycling, but not by artificially creating fake, needless extra congestion ('Merrit jams').
[quote][p][bold]Whistlejacket[/bold] wrote: Great news, but what we really need to reduce congestion is a link road from the Bootham / Exhibition Square area to the railway station. Does anyone have any ideas how this might be achieved?[/p][/quote]Well said. And, yes, the council seem to be admitting that new roads can ease congestion. Who'd have thought it?! Its certainly one element. I'm all for encouraging the use of public transport and cycling, but not by artificially creating fake, needless extra congestion ('Merrit jams'). Bo Jolly
  • Score: 2

2:21pm Thu 6 Feb 14

ouseswimmer says...

Whistlejacket wrote:
Great news, but what we really need to reduce congestion is a link road from the Bootham / Exhibition Square area to the railway station. Does anyone have any ideas how this might be achieved?
Easy solution. St Peters has plenty of empty land a new road could be built through one area of the with a bridge adjacent to Scarborough bridge no problem at all.
[quote][p][bold]Whistlejacket[/bold] wrote: Great news, but what we really need to reduce congestion is a link road from the Bootham / Exhibition Square area to the railway station. Does anyone have any ideas how this might be achieved?[/p][/quote]Easy solution. St Peters has plenty of empty land a new road could be built through one area of the with a bridge adjacent to Scarborough bridge no problem at all. ouseswimmer
  • Score: 7

2:41pm Thu 6 Feb 14

AntMcM says...

Good news as it certainly would reduce congestion, but why does the development have to include a drive-through KFC??
Good news as it certainly would reduce congestion, but why does the development have to include a drive-through KFC?? AntMcM
  • Score: 11

3:17pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Dan Atkinson says...

This isn't going to happen any time soon. There's no name against the hotel, and as soon as planning permission gets approved, the developer is just going to sell the land to the highest bidder.

I'd love for the road and the development to be built, but I just don't see it happening in peddling paul's lifetime. Assuming a bus driver doesn't try to kill him in the next couple of years...
This isn't going to happen any time soon. There's no name against the hotel, and as soon as planning permission gets approved, the developer is just going to sell the land to the highest bidder. I'd love for the road and the development to be built, but I just don't see it happening in peddling paul's lifetime. Assuming a bus driver doesn't try to kill him in the next couple of years... Dan Atkinson
  • Score: -19

4:42pm Thu 6 Feb 14

meme says...

Why cannot the council complete the road NOW and condition the planning permission..........
....... that before development commences the developer refunds the cost of the road completion. No one is worse off and we get the road as needed NOW. There is only about 100 metres needed to complete it for Christ sake
Why cannot the council complete the road NOW and condition the planning permission.......... ....... that before development commences the developer refunds the cost of the road completion. No one is worse off and we get the road as needed NOW. There is only about 100 metres needed to complete it for Christ sake meme
  • Score: 3

5:07pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Garrowby Turnoff says...

pedalling paul wrote:
How long will a new road "ease congestion" for. Look beyond several of your lifetimes and for any local politicians who read this, beyond the next elections.
But, what about a bicycle lane?

You're slippin' up PP!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: How long will a new road "ease congestion" for. Look beyond several of your lifetimes and for any local politicians who read this, beyond the next elections.[/p][/quote]But, what about a bicycle lane? You're slippin' up PP! Garrowby Turnoff
  • Score: 12

7:43pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Dave Ruddock says...

I like Medrretts words, a Link Road to Where., get Lendal open. on the Hotel site bet the planS go right to the line (Litteraly) to the contaminated ground.. On James Street it goes to Layerthorpe , where do they want it to go , Its NO RING ROAD..

Get the gas companie ti decontaminate , remove, cleann up THEIR mess
I like Medrretts words, a Link Road to Where., get Lendal open. on the Hotel site bet the planS go right to the line (Litteraly) to the contaminated ground.. On James Street it goes to Layerthorpe , where do they want it to go , Its NO RING ROAD.. Get the gas companie ti decontaminate , remove, cleann up THEIR mess Dave Ruddock
  • Score: -48

7:53pm Thu 6 Feb 14

strangebuttrue? says...

"making a crucial contribution to the council’s efforts to reduce traffic congestion"

The council reducing congestion!! You have to be joking! The anti car council make all of the congestion so why would they want to reduce it?

We all know that developers in the city get screwed for cash for changes to the roads every time they want to build something but it is usually yet another set of congestion creating traffic lights or a bus lane. What's the betting that this will have several pelican crossings and lights at every junction?

I would suspect that the council have a bigger longer term plan for this and it may become a bus lane not long after it opens.
"making a crucial contribution to the council’s efforts to reduce traffic congestion" The council reducing congestion!! You have to be joking! The anti car council make all of the congestion so why would they want to reduce it? We all know that developers in the city get screwed for cash for changes to the roads every time they want to build something but it is usually yet another set of congestion creating traffic lights or a bus lane. What's the betting that this will have several pelican crossings and lights at every junction? I would suspect that the council have a bigger longer term plan for this and it may become a bus lane not long after it opens. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -42

9:27pm Thu 6 Feb 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

"Make York A Troll Free Zone" have visited this page and changed the scores they don't like.
"Make York A Troll Free Zone" have visited this page and changed the scores they don't like. YOUWILLDOASISAY
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10:23pm Thu 6 Feb 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

The mark down mongrel has been at work, tally ho.

Stay focused, keep busy, go getem.

Woof Woof
The mark down mongrel has been at work, tally ho. Stay focused, keep busy, go getem. Woof Woof YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -23

10:25pm Thu 6 Feb 14

pedalling paul says...

Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
How long will a new road "ease congestion" for. Look beyond several of your lifetimes and for any local politicians who read this, beyond the next elections.
But, what about a bicycle lane?

You're slippin' up PP!
You are distracting readers from the point of my post..which is how few years would it take for additional highway capacity to be taken up. Let me tell you a story. When Pedalling Paula & I moved into our modest mansion, she wanted some more shelves in the pantry. So I fitted some. She filled them up and requested more.....till ultimately there wasn't any more shelf space left.
That's what happens when Local Authorities try to build their way out of congestion.
[quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: How long will a new road "ease congestion" for. Look beyond several of your lifetimes and for any local politicians who read this, beyond the next elections.[/p][/quote]But, what about a bicycle lane? You're slippin' up PP![/p][/quote]You are distracting readers from the point of my post..which is how few years would it take for additional highway capacity to be taken up. Let me tell you a story. When Pedalling Paula & I moved into our modest mansion, she wanted some more shelves in the pantry. So I fitted some. She filled them up and requested more.....till ultimately there wasn't any more shelf space left. That's what happens when Local Authorities try to build their way out of congestion. pedalling paul
  • Score: 49

10:33pm Thu 6 Feb 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
How long will a new road "ease congestion" for. Look beyond several of your lifetimes and for any local politicians who read this, beyond the next elections.
But, what about a bicycle lane?

You're slippin' up PP!
You are distracting readers from the point of my post..which is how few years would it take for additional highway capacity to be taken up. Let me tell you a story. When Pedalling Paula & I moved into our modest mansion, she wanted some more shelves in the pantry. So I fitted some. She filled them up and requested more.....till ultimately there wasn't any more shelf space left.
That's what happens when Local Authorities try to build their way out of congestion.
Maybe if you understood about utilisation, capacity, demand and queuing theory (stock in your example) you could have saved money on the shelves you didn't actually need.

Somme people manage problems, others solve them.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: How long will a new road "ease congestion" for. Look beyond several of your lifetimes and for any local politicians who read this, beyond the next elections.[/p][/quote]But, what about a bicycle lane? You're slippin' up PP![/p][/quote]You are distracting readers from the point of my post..which is how few years would it take for additional highway capacity to be taken up. Let me tell you a story. When Pedalling Paula & I moved into our modest mansion, she wanted some more shelves in the pantry. So I fitted some. She filled them up and requested more.....till ultimately there wasn't any more shelf space left. That's what happens when Local Authorities try to build their way out of congestion.[/p][/quote]Maybe if you understood about utilisation, capacity, demand and queuing theory (stock in your example) you could have saved money on the shelves you didn't actually need. Somme people manage problems, others solve them. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -20

4:00am Fri 7 Feb 14

Magicman! says...

It's worth noting that this 'new road' aka Eboracum Way, and the extended James Street are actually on the line of the original 1940's plan for an Inner Ring Road - a plan which the shortsighted council of the time rejected because it would have meant building new roads, roundabouts, and having a ring of open green space all the way around the city at the foot of the city walls... instead they just looked at the existing roads and decided to put "inner ring road" signs on them, leading to todays world famous congestion.

IF the link is completed, I would like to think the traffic lights at the Peasholme Green junction would be altered to become "demand responsive" - traffic lights for straight ahead or left turning vehicles would not be needed to be on green as long due to most traffic going along the new link road (if its junctions are done properly, I'll get to that in a bit), and so it'd really only be traffic coming out of Sainsburys or the Car Park that would be approaching those traffic lights - certainly it wouldn't be enough traffic to merit the existing setup at the junction where the lights operate on a preset timer sequence, the same sequence 24 hours a day regardless of demand.

As for the link road junctions, without a shadow of a doubt they MUST be roundabouts at Heworth Green and Layerthorpe, otherwise all that will happen is the current congestion on Foss Bank will shift to Layerthorpe (primarily inbound) and Heworth Green - the latter being particularly notworthy as a lot of the queuing traffic would be vehicles wanting to turn right onto the link road, and so if traffic lights are there it'll cause traffic to back up and onto the Monkgate roundabout, a dangerous situation. There are ot enough pedestrian movements at either junction to merit signal-controlled crossing points integrated with traffic lights, when a Zebra Crossing to the north of either roundabout (Layerthorpe and Heworth Green) about 15-20 meters from the junction, in addition to Zebra crossings over the end of the link road again 15-20 meters away from the roundabouts, all with pedestrian refuge islands in the middle, would suffice. On almost every sequence at the current Layerthorpe junction, outbound traffic is waiting pointlessly on a red light whilst inbound traffic has already got a green light: apparently it's so pedestrians can cross over the road opposite the waiting outbound traffic, which would make sense apart from the glaringly obvious lack of any pedestrians crossing or ever having pushed the 'request to cross' button in the first place (the Hull Road and Tang Hall junction is like this, pedestrian phases that occur every sequence even if the button has never been pushed and no pedestrians around for a mile).

Thoughts over bus routes is also worth consideration... the 12 nd 13 currently serve the Sainsbury's store stop, and so it would be a retrograde step to route these buses away from there to use the link road, but yet a bus stop on Eboracum Way should be looked at - perhaps for the number 9 or if a new bus service is started along that corridor (as a random example, York to Strensall via Monks Cross)
It's worth noting that this 'new road' aka Eboracum Way, and the extended James Street are actually on the line of the original 1940's plan for an Inner Ring Road - a plan which the shortsighted council of the time rejected because it would have meant building new roads, roundabouts, and having a ring of open green space all the way around the city at the foot of the city walls... instead they just looked at the existing roads and decided to put "inner ring road" signs on them, leading to todays world famous congestion. IF the link is completed, I would like to think the traffic lights at the Peasholme Green junction would be altered to become "demand responsive" - traffic lights for straight ahead or left turning vehicles would not be needed to be on green as long due to most traffic going along the new link road (if its junctions are done properly, I'll get to that in a bit), and so it'd really only be traffic coming out of Sainsburys or the Car Park that would be approaching those traffic lights - certainly it wouldn't be enough traffic to merit the existing setup at the junction where the lights operate on a preset timer sequence, the same sequence 24 hours a day regardless of demand. As for the link road junctions, without a shadow of a doubt they MUST be roundabouts at Heworth Green and Layerthorpe, otherwise all that will happen is the current congestion on Foss Bank will shift to Layerthorpe (primarily inbound) and Heworth Green - the latter being particularly notworthy as a lot of the queuing traffic would be vehicles wanting to turn right onto the link road, and so if traffic lights are there it'll cause traffic to back up and onto the Monkgate roundabout, a dangerous situation. There are ot enough pedestrian movements at either junction to merit signal-controlled crossing points integrated with traffic lights, when a Zebra Crossing to the north of either roundabout (Layerthorpe and Heworth Green) about 15-20 meters from the junction, in addition to Zebra crossings over the end of the link road again 15-20 meters away from the roundabouts, all with pedestrian refuge islands in the middle, would suffice. On almost every sequence at the current Layerthorpe junction, outbound traffic is waiting pointlessly on a red light whilst inbound traffic has already got a green light: apparently it's so pedestrians can cross over the road opposite the waiting outbound traffic, which would make sense apart from the glaringly obvious lack of any pedestrians crossing or ever having pushed the 'request to cross' button in the first place (the Hull Road and Tang Hall junction is like this, pedestrian phases that occur every sequence even if the button has never been pushed and no pedestrians around for a mile). Thoughts over bus routes is also worth consideration... the 12 nd 13 currently serve the Sainsbury's store stop, and so it would be a retrograde step to route these buses away from there to use the link road, but yet a bus stop on Eboracum Way should be looked at - perhaps for the number 9 or if a new bus service is started along that corridor (as a random example, York to Strensall via Monks Cross) Magicman!
  • Score: 2

7:07am Fri 7 Feb 14

NoMorePlease says...

I drive thru KFC , I can see that attracting potential guests by the bucketfull
I drive thru KFC , I can see that attracting potential guests by the bucketfull NoMorePlease
  • Score: -1

7:40am Fri 7 Feb 14

Igiveinthen says...

pedalling paul wrote:
How long will a new road "ease congestion" for. Look beyond several of your lifetimes and for any local politicians who read this, beyond the next elections.
Don't forget cyclist will use this link road 'pp', but what would really make you happy 'pp', a world without cars perhaps? Or is it the wish list your alter ego wrote :

Nationally I hope that Government will make consistent and long term investment in urban cycling right across the UK, to replace their present competitive bids from limited pots of money.
I would also like to see vehicle excise duty, wrongly called ‘road tax’, to be officially renamed ‘pollution tax’, and all emergency service ‘accident investigation unit’ vehicles renamed ‘collision investigation unit’.
I hope that the Tour de France effect will produce a lasting enthusiasm for recreational and racing cycling, across the Yorkshire region.
The recently suggested alliance with West Yorkshire might produce cash for a long demanded ‘upgrade’ of the A1237. But new capacity encourages more car travel. So I hope this debate will be tempered by a realistic 2014 assessment, of how few years it would be, before a dualled road becomes as congested as the existing one.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: How long will a new road "ease congestion" for. Look beyond several of your lifetimes and for any local politicians who read this, beyond the next elections.[/p][/quote]Don't forget cyclist will use this link road 'pp', but what would really make you happy 'pp', a world without cars perhaps? Or is it the wish list your alter ego wrote : Nationally I hope that Government will make consistent and long term investment in urban cycling right across the UK, to replace their present competitive bids from limited pots of money. I would also like to see vehicle excise duty, wrongly called ‘road tax’, to be officially renamed ‘pollution tax’, and all emergency service ‘accident investigation unit’ vehicles renamed ‘collision investigation unit’. I hope that the Tour de France effect will produce a lasting enthusiasm for recreational and racing cycling, across the Yorkshire region. The recently suggested alliance with West Yorkshire might produce cash for a long demanded ‘upgrade’ of the A1237. But new capacity encourages more car travel. So I hope this debate will be tempered by a realistic 2014 assessment, of how few years it would be, before a dualled road becomes as congested as the existing one. Igiveinthen
  • Score: 0

9:48am Fri 7 Feb 14

Madasanibbotson says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
How long will a new road "ease congestion" for. Look beyond several of your lifetimes and for any local politicians who read this, beyond the next elections.
But, what about a bicycle lane?

You're slippin' up PP!
You are distracting readers from the point of my post..which is how few years would it take for additional highway capacity to be taken up. Let me tell you a story. When Pedalling Paula & I moved into our modest mansion, she wanted some more shelves in the pantry. So I fitted some. She filled them up and requested more.....till ultimately there wasn't any more shelf space left.
That's what happens when Local Authorities try to build their way out of congestion.
NO PP that just shows you and your wife up for what you are, a bit like a light bulb turned right down.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: How long will a new road "ease congestion" for. Look beyond several of your lifetimes and for any local politicians who read this, beyond the next elections.[/p][/quote]But, what about a bicycle lane? You're slippin' up PP![/p][/quote]You are distracting readers from the point of my post..which is how few years would it take for additional highway capacity to be taken up. Let me tell you a story. When Pedalling Paula & I moved into our modest mansion, she wanted some more shelves in the pantry. So I fitted some. She filled them up and requested more.....till ultimately there wasn't any more shelf space left. That's what happens when Local Authorities try to build their way out of congestion.[/p][/quote]NO PP that just shows you and your wife up for what you are, a bit like a light bulb turned right down. Madasanibbotson
  • Score: 0

10:00am Fri 7 Feb 14

alanyork says...

ouseswimmer wrote:
Whistlejacket wrote:
Great news, but what we really need to reduce congestion is a link road from the Bootham / Exhibition Square area to the railway station. Does anyone have any ideas how this might be achieved?
Easy solution. St Peters has plenty of empty land a new road could be built through one area of the with a bridge adjacent to Scarborough bridge no problem at all.
good thinking batman, now add this to your great plans, build a link-road from bottom of crichton ave(rowntrees bridge) to connect to haxby road.
result=no hold ups to our only hospital ! I'm sure if asked nicely Nestle would donate the land FOC if we call it Nestle Way
[quote][p][bold]ouseswimmer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whistlejacket[/bold] wrote: Great news, but what we really need to reduce congestion is a link road from the Bootham / Exhibition Square area to the railway station. Does anyone have any ideas how this might be achieved?[/p][/quote]Easy solution. St Peters has plenty of empty land a new road could be built through one area of the with a bridge adjacent to Scarborough bridge no problem at all.[/p][/quote]good thinking batman, now add this to your great plans, build a link-road from bottom of crichton ave(rowntrees bridge) to connect to haxby road. result=no hold ups to our only hospital ! I'm sure if asked nicely Nestle would donate the land FOC if we call it Nestle Way alanyork
  • Score: 2

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