Schools bosses to use camera-car and £70 fines against parents parking illegally

Schools bosses to use camera-car and £70 fines against parents parking illegally

Schools bosses to use camera-car and £70 fines against parents parking illegally

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PARENTS and guardians who park illegally on the school run face £70 fines in York, under a new crackdown.

Education bosses at City of York Council are to use a camera-car from next month to catch offenders, in a bid to improve road safety near schools.

Nationally, the number of children being driven to school has doubled in the past 20 years and many local head teachers have raised concerns over parking at their school entraces and in nearby streets, the council says.

The council is also asking parents and carers to sign a pledge saying they will not park on zig zag or double yellow lines, not park on pavements, will park carefully and considerately and will consider walking or cycling instead of driving to school.

Those who park in no-stopping areas will be issued with £70 fixed penalty notices, reduced to £35 if paid within three weeks.

The council and North Yorkshire Police are working together on the move, which is accompanied by the launch of a “Parents’ Parking Promise”, encouraging parents and carers to pledge their support and help in tackling the problem.

Coun Janet Looker, council cabinet member for children’s services, said many schools suffer from inconsiderate parkers around the entrance and in nearby streets, jeopardising children’s safety.

She said: “Working with schools and parents we hope to further highlight that there are other options available than driving to school, but if parents choose this option then we want to encourage them to do this safely and join this scheme to make children feel safer on their way to and from school.

“Many head teachers have expressed concerns to us about the inappropriate parking outside their schools and in response to these concerns we are introducing the road safety camera car.

"However, we hope that by highlighting the Parking’ Parents Promise scheme it will help raise even more awareness and help further reduce poor parking around schools.”

In York, about 30 per cent of primary pupils and ten per cent of secondary pupils are driven to school, but most journeys are less than a mile, she said.

Coun Looker said the promise encourages parents and carers to park responsibly or consider using other modes of transport such as walking, cycling or buses.

By signing up and completing the Parking Promise form, parents/carers will receive a car badge unique to their children’s school, which demonstrates their commitment to parking responsibly. Letters detailing the scheme have been sent out to parents.

Tim Madgwick, Deputy Chief Constable of North Yorkshire, said: “It is really important that the roads around schools are as safe as possible and hopefully this campaign will prompt people to be more considerate and bear the safety of children in mind.

“It’s great that the children at schools in the City of York are getting involved in promoting the scheme and I would encourage as many people as possible to take part, back the campaign and help make our children safer.”

To find out more about the scheme, visit: www.york.gov.uk/schoolparking

The Parking Promise asks parents:

• not to park on zig zag or double yellow lines
• not to park on pavements
• to park carefully and considerately
• to consider walking or cycling to schools, or take part in the Park&Stride and park a short distance away from the school and walk the remaining bit

 

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4:46pm Tue 4 Feb 14

roadwars says...

Good luck...
Good luck... roadwars
  • Score: 27

4:46pm Tue 4 Feb 14

clar64pr says...

Fantastic idea. Those who are collecting children from school cause massive disruption for school buses and school cleaners arriving for work when they drive on to the school areas. These parents/ guardians will not be told and continue to do it, so maybe they will listen now!
Fantastic idea. Those who are collecting children from school cause massive disruption for school buses and school cleaners arriving for work when they drive on to the school areas. These parents/ guardians will not be told and continue to do it, so maybe they will listen now! clar64pr
  • Score: 76

4:55pm Tue 4 Feb 14

yorkie71 says...

Brilliant idea - Hope this is not limited to state schools ... the Steiner School parents block junctions & pavements all day long not just at drop off and pick up Fridays are the worse
Brilliant idea - Hope this is not limited to state schools ... the Steiner School parents block junctions & pavements all day long not just at drop off and pick up Fridays are the worse yorkie71
  • Score: 71

5:00pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Geoffers says...

In Wigginton some parents walk further from where they parked than they would have walked from home!
Hope they're going to fine the ones that park on both sides of the road.
In Wigginton some parents walk further from where they parked than they would have walked from home! Hope they're going to fine the ones that park on both sides of the road. Geoffers
  • Score: 62

5:05pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Loollah says...

Heaven forbid people let their precious offspring walk more than a few steps from car to school entrance!
Heaven forbid people let their precious offspring walk more than a few steps from car to school entrance! Loollah
  • Score: 55

5:05pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Dr Brian says...

There is a lot more than just mums and dads taking and picking their kids up from school who park illegally - I wonder if the council will use this vehicle to catch taxi drivers who have a tendancy to think they can park anywhere they like, or the Council's own vehicles who just park on pavements and yellow lines or even the policeman who I saw yesterday park on double yellow lines whilst he nipped into the bakery to buy a cake!

I doubt it, parents are an easy target they have to be there to take and collect kids from school - therefore more fines for the council to get their hands on. Obviously the ex part time Jessops sales assistant sees this as another opportunity to generate income to balance the books - or to pay for more 20 mph zones.
There is a lot more than just mums and dads taking and picking their kids up from school who park illegally - I wonder if the council will use this vehicle to catch taxi drivers who have a tendancy to think they can park anywhere they like, or the Council's own vehicles who just park on pavements and yellow lines or even the policeman who I saw yesterday park on double yellow lines whilst he nipped into the bakery to buy a cake! I doubt it, parents are an easy target they have to be there to take and collect kids from school - therefore more fines for the council to get their hands on. Obviously the ex part time Jessops sales assistant sees this as another opportunity to generate income to balance the books - or to pay for more 20 mph zones. Dr Brian
  • Score: 24

5:11pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Turnedoutniceagain says...

About time. And furthermore, they should be made to sit their driving tests again.
With all the money acquired from fines, Lendal Bridge could be fully opened again!
About time. And furthermore, they should be made to sit their driving tests again. With all the money acquired from fines, Lendal Bridge could be fully opened again! Turnedoutniceagain
  • Score: -13

5:22pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Thecynic says...

About time. These selfish people cause more problems for other pupils who walk or cycle to school by obscuring their view, thus creating a more hazardous situation than free-flowing traffic would.

I could never see the logic in reducing the speed limit to 20 MPH near schools, (which I agree with) and then negating the safety aspect that this gives, by allowing people to park on yellow lines and cause obstructions, just for the sake of a few minutes walk.

The parents concerned may think that they are ensuring the safety of their own child(ren), but in the process they are actually contributing to a more dangerous environment for the other schoolchildren.
About time. These selfish people cause more problems for other pupils who walk or cycle to school by obscuring their view, thus creating a more hazardous situation than free-flowing traffic would. I could never see the logic in reducing the speed limit to 20 MPH near schools, (which I agree with) and then negating the safety aspect that this gives, by allowing people to park on yellow lines and cause obstructions, just for the sake of a few minutes walk. The parents concerned may think that they are ensuring the safety of their own child(ren), but in the process they are actually contributing to a more dangerous environment for the other schoolchildren. Thecynic
  • Score: 47

5:53pm Tue 4 Feb 14

JHardacre says...

How's this for an off-the-wall idea.

PROVIDE CAR PARKS AT SCHOOLS!
How's this for an off-the-wall idea. PROVIDE CAR PARKS AT SCHOOLS! JHardacre
  • Score: -50

5:55pm Tue 4 Feb 14

courier46 says...

This is good news,the arrogant few who think they can park over peoples drives ,park opposite another car and generally think they can do what they want will get a shock.
This is good news,the arrogant few who think they can park over peoples drives ,park opposite another car and generally think they can do what they want will get a shock. courier46
  • Score: 54

6:13pm Tue 4 Feb 14

bjb says...

I bet it won't apply to the double yellow lines outside the Minster Song School where all merc and jag drivers must have special exemption permits.

A great idea though. When we drop off and collect our grandson in Strensall we see the same inconsiderate parking abusers on many occasions.
I bet it won't apply to the double yellow lines outside the Minster Song School where all merc and jag drivers must have special exemption permits. A great idea though. When we drop off and collect our grandson in Strensall we see the same inconsiderate parking abusers on many occasions. bjb
  • Score: 47

6:26pm Tue 4 Feb 14

3.8liter says...

Great idea. Start with the school on Hamiliton Drive.
Great idea. Start with the school on Hamiliton Drive. 3.8liter
  • Score: 35

6:41pm Tue 4 Feb 14

MouseHouse says...

I know people who get to school late despite driving for all of three minutes from home. Madness.

This is a welcome introduction.
I know people who get to school late despite driving for all of three minutes from home. Madness. This is a welcome introduction. MouseHouse
  • Score: 35

6:44pm Tue 4 Feb 14

brummiebob says...

Great about time, we live near a school and the driving was so poor one driver attempted to park on the path and ended up on our front lawn! Then left it there! I hope it deters the selfishness of these drivers before some child is injured.
Great about time, we live near a school and the driving was so poor one driver attempted to park on the path and ended up on our front lawn! Then left it there! I hope it deters the selfishness of these drivers before some child is injured. brummiebob
  • Score: 37

6:51pm Tue 4 Feb 14

brummiebob says...

JHardacre wrote:
How's this for an off-the-wall idea.

PROVIDE CAR PARKS AT SCHOOLS!
There are, for teachers, if you provided larger car parks, at great cost, we would have long queues getting in and out. Just as dangerous for children, the only answer is walk, cycle or park away from the school, not in the bus stop outside, not on the zig zags where children cross, not on the double yellow lines and not in the school gate entrance, having to reverse out into crowds of children. I have seen a child hit by a car, I don't ever want to see that again.
[quote][p][bold]JHardacre[/bold] wrote: How's this for an off-the-wall idea. PROVIDE CAR PARKS AT SCHOOLS![/p][/quote]There are, for teachers, if you provided larger car parks, at great cost, we would have long queues getting in and out. Just as dangerous for children, the only answer is walk, cycle or park away from the school, not in the bus stop outside, not on the zig zags where children cross, not on the double yellow lines and not in the school gate entrance, having to reverse out into crowds of children. I have seen a child hit by a car, I don't ever want to see that again. brummiebob
  • Score: 48

6:55pm Tue 4 Feb 14

bolero says...

Good luck with this one, it's about time too. Huge cars like hearses and black marias to ferry a child about a quarter of a mile to school. Buy the kid a decent pair of shoes and let them walk.
Good luck with this one, it's about time too. Huge cars like hearses and black marias to ferry a child about a quarter of a mile to school. Buy the kid a decent pair of shoes and let them walk. bolero
  • Score: 43

6:56pm Tue 4 Feb 14

gjh says...

JHardacre wrote:
How's this for an off-the-wall idea.

PROVIDE CAR PARKS AT SCHOOLS!
So what would you rather have- school space taken up and money spent on parking that is used for less than an hour per day or using that space and money to educate children?
[quote][p][bold]JHardacre[/bold] wrote: How's this for an off-the-wall idea. PROVIDE CAR PARKS AT SCHOOLS![/p][/quote]So what would you rather have- school space taken up and money spent on parking that is used for less than an hour per day or using that space and money to educate children? gjh
  • Score: 35

6:56pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Rosieposie says...

I would agree, it is really frightening driving down Northolme Drive at home time. As someone who has been on many safe driving and defensive driving courses I am constantly amazed at the risks parents take with their children. Mind you when parents have on the seat belts and their children dont i do think its an uphill struggle.
I would agree, it is really frightening driving down Northolme Drive at home time. As someone who has been on many safe driving and defensive driving courses I am constantly amazed at the risks parents take with their children. Mind you when parents have on the seat belts and their children dont i do think its an uphill struggle. Rosieposie
  • Score: 17

7:01pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Rosieposie says...

Minster song school , it hasn't been that for decades. Trust me if you park on those lines you get done, parking wardens used to actually lie in wait. Interestingly that really is a school where it is a challenge to get your child there, mind you they do work longer days so tou do have longer to get there. Not all are privileged some are choristers and some parents actually do without a lot to send their children there. And we pay for other folks kids state education so do not fall into the class trap....
Minster song school , it hasn't been that for decades. Trust me if you park on those lines you get done, parking wardens used to actually lie in wait. Interestingly that really is a school where it is a challenge to get your child there, mind you they do work longer days so tou do have longer to get there. Not all are privileged some are choristers and some parents actually do without a lot to send their children there. And we pay for other folks kids state education so do not fall into the class trap.... Rosieposie
  • Score: -10

7:12pm Tue 4 Feb 14

yorkandproud says...

Dr Brian wrote:
There is a lot more than just mums and dads taking and picking their kids up from school who park illegally - I wonder if the council will use this vehicle to catch taxi drivers who have a tendancy to think they can park anywhere they like, or the Council's own vehicles who just park on pavements and yellow lines or even the policeman who I saw yesterday park on double yellow lines whilst he nipped into the bakery to buy a cake!

I doubt it, parents are an easy target they have to be there to take and collect kids from school - therefore more fines for the council to get their hands on. Obviously the ex part time Jessops sales assistant sees this as another opportunity to generate income to balance the books - or to pay for more 20 mph zones.
That's it Doctor, let it all out. You obviously have issues here. What about the fireman and ambulances parked on double yellow lines when attending car crashes and burning buildings. You forgot to mention those. Has this hit a nerve ? Surely you aren't one of the parents blocking the school gates. Or are you claiming patient confidentiality ?
[quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: There is a lot more than just mums and dads taking and picking their kids up from school who park illegally - I wonder if the council will use this vehicle to catch taxi drivers who have a tendancy to think they can park anywhere they like, or the Council's own vehicles who just park on pavements and yellow lines or even the policeman who I saw yesterday park on double yellow lines whilst he nipped into the bakery to buy a cake! I doubt it, parents are an easy target they have to be there to take and collect kids from school - therefore more fines for the council to get their hands on. Obviously the ex part time Jessops sales assistant sees this as another opportunity to generate income to balance the books - or to pay for more 20 mph zones.[/p][/quote]That's it Doctor, let it all out. You obviously have issues here. What about the fireman and ambulances parked on double yellow lines when attending car crashes and burning buildings. You forgot to mention those. Has this hit a nerve ? Surely you aren't one of the parents blocking the school gates. Or are you claiming patient confidentiality ? yorkandproud
  • Score: -15

7:16pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Devilsadvocate2 says...

There's an accident waiting to happen at the end of Stratford way when they are waiting in their cars to pick kids up from Huntington school. You find yourself on the wrong side of the road turning out onto Huntington Road. Seen many a near miss when someone comes too fast round the corner onto Stratford way.
There's an accident waiting to happen at the end of Stratford way when they are waiting in their cars to pick kids up from Huntington school. You find yourself on the wrong side of the road turning out onto Huntington Road. Seen many a near miss when someone comes too fast round the corner onto Stratford way. Devilsadvocate2
  • Score: 14

7:25pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Chasing Clicks says...

why don't we just do away with roads and double yellows and bring back the horse and cart they never had issues like we have today!
why don't we just do away with roads and double yellows and bring back the horse and cart they never had issues like we have today! Chasing Clicks
  • Score: -10

7:35pm Tue 4 Feb 14

oi oi savaloy says...

JHardacre wrote:
How's this for an off-the-wall idea.

PROVIDE CAR PARKS AT SCHOOLS!
how about all the obese little kiddies walk to school (or even pushbike) ?? like people did in the 60's &70's ...
[quote][p][bold]JHardacre[/bold] wrote: How's this for an off-the-wall idea. PROVIDE CAR PARKS AT SCHOOLS![/p][/quote]how about all the obese little kiddies walk to school (or even pushbike) ?? like people did in the 60's &70's ... oi oi savaloy
  • Score: 38

7:42pm Tue 4 Feb 14

anth!! says...

Turnedoutniceagain wrote:
About time. And furthermore, they should be made to sit their driving tests again.
With all the money acquired from fines, Lendal Bridge could be fully opened again!
Didnt realise there was a school on lensal bridge, howay get a life.
[quote][p][bold]Turnedoutniceagain[/bold] wrote: About time. And furthermore, they should be made to sit their driving tests again. With all the money acquired from fines, Lendal Bridge could be fully opened again![/p][/quote]Didnt realise there was a school on lensal bridge, howay get a life. anth!!
  • Score: -11

7:45pm Tue 4 Feb 14

anth!! says...

I know I cant spell, meant Lendal Bridge, with a red face !
I know I cant spell, meant Lendal Bridge, with a red face ! anth!!
  • Score: 9

8:08pm Tue 4 Feb 14

geordieman2 says...

how about elvington school nightmare
how about elvington school nightmare geordieman2
  • Score: 2

8:58pm Tue 4 Feb 14

AngelinaSpongebum says...

Well I live next to a school so they had better not start with me parking outsidemy own house! Spent the last 15 years dodging the 4x4s as it is.
Well I live next to a school so they had better not start with me parking outsidemy own house! Spent the last 15 years dodging the 4x4s as it is. AngelinaSpongebum
  • Score: 18

9:06pm Tue 4 Feb 14

jake777 says...

Dr Brian wrote:
There is a lot more than just mums and dads taking and picking their kids up from school who park illegally - I wonder if the council will use this vehicle to catch taxi drivers who have a tendancy to think they can park anywhere they like, or the Council's own vehicles who just park on pavements and yellow lines or even the policeman who I saw yesterday park on double yellow lines whilst he nipped into the bakery to buy a cake!

I doubt it, parents are an easy target they have to be there to take and collect kids from school - therefore more fines for the council to get their hands on. Obviously the ex part time Jessops sales assistant sees this as another opportunity to generate income to balance the books - or to pay for more 20 mph zones.
you should get out and take a look around schools its not a case of parents been an easy target, its a case of safety and consideration for other people, you would soon moan if your child was run over because a driver could not see them due to cars been parked on both sides of roads and on junctions. Well done york city council and north yorkshire police.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: There is a lot more than just mums and dads taking and picking their kids up from school who park illegally - I wonder if the council will use this vehicle to catch taxi drivers who have a tendancy to think they can park anywhere they like, or the Council's own vehicles who just park on pavements and yellow lines or even the policeman who I saw yesterday park on double yellow lines whilst he nipped into the bakery to buy a cake! I doubt it, parents are an easy target they have to be there to take and collect kids from school - therefore more fines for the council to get their hands on. Obviously the ex part time Jessops sales assistant sees this as another opportunity to generate income to balance the books - or to pay for more 20 mph zones.[/p][/quote]you should get out and take a look around schools its not a case of parents been an easy target, its a case of safety and consideration for other people, you would soon moan if your child was run over because a driver could not see them due to cars been parked on both sides of roads and on junctions. Well done york city council and north yorkshire police. jake777
  • Score: 26

9:21pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Garrowby Turnoff says...

Truth is parents are worried that some predator will take their child. Parents feel that by dropping off near to the school gates eliminates most of the risk. I can't blame parents for wanting to protect their youngsters, their anxieties made all the worse by TV sensationalism in dramas and police shows week after week.

God forbid that through such actions described, children are put in danger by having to walk unguarded to their schools.
Truth is parents are worried that some predator will take their child. Parents feel that by dropping off near to the school gates eliminates most of the risk. I can't blame parents for wanting to protect their youngsters, their anxieties made all the worse by TV sensationalism in dramas and police shows week after week. God forbid that through such actions described, children are put in danger by having to walk unguarded to their schools. Garrowby Turnoff
  • Score: -17

9:29pm Tue 4 Feb 14

bjb says...

Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
Truth is parents are worried that some predator will take their child. Parents feel that by dropping off near to the school gates eliminates most of the risk. I can't blame parents for wanting to protect their youngsters, their anxieties made all the worse by TV sensationalism in dramas and police shows week after week.

God forbid that through such actions described, children are put in danger by having to walk unguarded to their schools.
So what is wrong with walking a child 25, 50, 100 or ever 200 metres to the school gates from where you have parked your car. Child safety is not dependent on being able to park on zig zags or yellow lines.
[quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: Truth is parents are worried that some predator will take their child. Parents feel that by dropping off near to the school gates eliminates most of the risk. I can't blame parents for wanting to protect their youngsters, their anxieties made all the worse by TV sensationalism in dramas and police shows week after week. God forbid that through such actions described, children are put in danger by having to walk unguarded to their schools.[/p][/quote]So what is wrong with walking a child 25, 50, 100 or ever 200 metres to the school gates from where you have parked your car. Child safety is not dependent on being able to park on zig zags or yellow lines. bjb
  • Score: 37

9:32pm Tue 4 Feb 14

wallman says...

police doing parking offences? they always say we don't do parking when its pointed out to them in town with cars parked on pavements, Kings Square , Church St. double yellow lines a joke
police doing parking offences? they always say we don't do parking when its pointed out to them in town with cars parked on pavements, Kings Square , Church St. double yellow lines a joke wallman
  • Score: 17

9:54pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Happy Chappie says...

Good idea, but what's betting it will have something to do with getting rid of crossing patrols.
Good idea, but what's betting it will have something to do with getting rid of crossing patrols. Happy Chappie
  • Score: 15

10:08pm Tue 4 Feb 14

JHardacre says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
JHardacre wrote:
How's this for an off-the-wall idea.

PROVIDE CAR PARKS AT SCHOOLS!
how about all the obese little kiddies walk to school (or even pushbike) ?? like people did in the 60's &70's ...
You mean when people lived nearer to schools?

When my son was at school we lived ten miles away - a little far, I think, for him to cycle at nine years old.
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHardacre[/bold] wrote: How's this for an off-the-wall idea. PROVIDE CAR PARKS AT SCHOOLS![/p][/quote]how about all the obese little kiddies walk to school (or even pushbike) ?? like people did in the 60's &70's ...[/p][/quote]You mean when people lived nearer to schools? When my son was at school we lived ten miles away - a little far, I think, for him to cycle at nine years old. JHardacre
  • Score: -8

10:13pm Tue 4 Feb 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

You have all missed the point! This is another scam to relieve the motorist of some more cash because our Council can and intend to.
You wouldn't travel to a supermarket to collect your shopping only to find there is no parking provision, so why should you expect parents and guardians living more than a mile away to not have such a provision when collecting a slightly more precious cargo?
Lendal Bridge, Police mobile speed camera's and now this. Big Brother is watching you and there is one thing in common: MONEY...your money!
You have all missed the point! This is another scam to relieve the motorist of some more cash because our Council can and intend to. You wouldn't travel to a supermarket to collect your shopping only to find there is no parking provision, so why should you expect parents and guardians living more than a mile away to not have such a provision when collecting a slightly more precious cargo? Lendal Bridge, Police mobile speed camera's and now this. Big Brother is watching you and there is one thing in common: MONEY...your money! ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: -46

10:16pm Tue 4 Feb 14

courier46 says...

Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
Truth is parents are worried that some predator will take their child. Parents feel that by dropping off near to the school gates eliminates most of the risk. I can't blame parents for wanting to protect their youngsters, their anxieties made all the worse by TV sensationalism in dramas and police shows week after week.

God forbid that through such actions described, children are put in danger by having to walk unguarded to their schools.
Rubbish,we walk our grandchildren to school,it`s laziness not fear EXCUSES!
[quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: Truth is parents are worried that some predator will take their child. Parents feel that by dropping off near to the school gates eliminates most of the risk. I can't blame parents for wanting to protect their youngsters, their anxieties made all the worse by TV sensationalism in dramas and police shows week after week. God forbid that through such actions described, children are put in danger by having to walk unguarded to their schools.[/p][/quote]Rubbish,we walk our grandchildren to school,it`s laziness not fear EXCUSES! courier46
  • Score: 22

10:43pm Tue 4 Feb 14

oi oi savaloy says...

JHardacre wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
JHardacre wrote:
How's this for an off-the-wall idea.

PROVIDE CAR PARKS AT SCHOOLS!
how about all the obese little kiddies walk to school (or even pushbike) ?? like people did in the 60's &70's ...
You mean when people lived nearer to schools?

When my son was at school we lived ten miles away - a little far, I think, for him to cycle at nine years old.
nah! think how fit he would be and he would be well trained up for the tour de France! i cycled 3 miles to school in the 70's and still fit as a fiddle at 53, i aint a fatty like that bloke who runs the council and he's only 32 ! shockingly obese
[quote][p][bold]JHardacre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHardacre[/bold] wrote: How's this for an off-the-wall idea. PROVIDE CAR PARKS AT SCHOOLS![/p][/quote]how about all the obese little kiddies walk to school (or even pushbike) ?? like people did in the 60's &70's ...[/p][/quote]You mean when people lived nearer to schools? When my son was at school we lived ten miles away - a little far, I think, for him to cycle at nine years old.[/p][/quote]nah! think how fit he would be and he would be well trained up for the tour de France! i cycled 3 miles to school in the 70's and still fit as a fiddle at 53, i aint a fatty like that bloke who runs the council and he's only 32 ! shockingly obese oi oi savaloy
  • Score: 20

10:50pm Tue 4 Feb 14

akaroa says...

Well over 1000 vehicles a week cause huge congestion down Queen Annes rd/North Parade, Residents have been threatened, harassed, their own vehicles damaged, The area is a residents parking zone. This despite St Peters assurance that there would be no school run, prior to purchase of the school 14 years ago. HUGE LIES WERE TOLD BY THE HEADS OF ST PETERS IN ORDER TO CONVINCE THE LOCALS THAT IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING FOR THE AREA, UTTER ROT. Despite many complaints over the years, the police/council will do nothing, even though parking regulations are broken by hundreds of vehicles a day, Parking tickets are a rarity. The police/council will not do anything to upset St Peters school heads, who are a law unto themselves.
Well over 1000 vehicles a week cause huge congestion down Queen Annes rd/North Parade, Residents have been threatened, harassed, their own vehicles damaged, The area is a residents parking zone. This despite St Peters assurance that there would be no school run, prior to purchase of the school 14 years ago. HUGE LIES WERE TOLD BY THE HEADS OF ST PETERS IN ORDER TO CONVINCE THE LOCALS THAT IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING FOR THE AREA, UTTER ROT. Despite many complaints over the years, the police/council will do nothing, even though parking regulations are broken by hundreds of vehicles a day, Parking tickets are a rarity. The police/council will not do anything to upset St Peters school heads, who are a law unto themselves. akaroa
  • Score: 33

10:50pm Tue 4 Feb 14

directdebbie says...

About time, Yearsley Grove in Huntington is terrible. I don 't have children at the school but i have to drive down that road at about the time the children are getting dropped off/picked up. Parents park on both sides of the road , god forbid if there was an emergency, the vehicles would not be able to get past.
About time, Yearsley Grove in Huntington is terrible. I don 't have children at the school but i have to drive down that road at about the time the children are getting dropped off/picked up. Parents park on both sides of the road , god forbid if there was an emergency, the vehicles would not be able to get past. directdebbie
  • Score: 15

10:57pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Ican'tdecideonaname says...

clar64pr wrote:
Fantastic idea. Those who are collecting children from school cause massive disruption for school buses and school cleaners arriving for work when they drive on to the school areas. These parents/ guardians will not be told and continue to do it, so maybe they will listen now!
Since when did school cleaners have priority over parents picking children up from school?? Whats wrong with them starting work at a time when the children have safely left the building??
[quote][p][bold]clar64pr[/bold] wrote: Fantastic idea. Those who are collecting children from school cause massive disruption for school buses and school cleaners arriving for work when they drive on to the school areas. These parents/ guardians will not be told and continue to do it, so maybe they will listen now![/p][/quote]Since when did school cleaners have priority over parents picking children up from school?? Whats wrong with them starting work at a time when the children have safely left the building?? Ican'tdecideonaname
  • Score: -24

10:58pm Tue 4 Feb 14

akaroa says...

£70 fines for school run traffic violations, idle gossip, utter bunkum, it will never happen, pure fiction.
£70 fines for school run traffic violations, idle gossip, utter bunkum, it will never happen, pure fiction. akaroa
  • Score: 6

12:36am Wed 5 Feb 14

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
You have all missed the point! This is another scam to relieve the motorist of some more cash because our Council can and intend to.
You wouldn't travel to a supermarket to collect your shopping only to find there is no parking provision, so why should you expect parents and guardians living more than a mile away to not have such a provision when collecting a slightly more precious cargo?
Lendal Bridge, Police mobile speed camera's and now this. Big Brother is watching you and there is one thing in common: MONEY...your money!
I wouldn't be getting all excited about this, what do you think the camera car be doing for the rest of the day when not catching parents dropping off at school?

Have a search on You Tube.

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=htSD3X4zF
vo
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: You have all missed the point! This is another scam to relieve the motorist of some more cash because our Council can and intend to. You wouldn't travel to a supermarket to collect your shopping only to find there is no parking provision, so why should you expect parents and guardians living more than a mile away to not have such a provision when collecting a slightly more precious cargo? Lendal Bridge, Police mobile speed camera's and now this. Big Brother is watching you and there is one thing in common: MONEY...your money![/p][/quote]I wouldn't be getting all excited about this, what do you think the camera car be doing for the rest of the day when not catching parents dropping off at school? Have a search on You Tube. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=htSD3X4zF vo NoNewsIsGoodNews
  • Score: 6

7:22am Wed 5 Feb 14

imassey says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
You have all missed the point! This is another scam to relieve the motorist of some more cash because our Council can and intend to.
You wouldn't travel to a supermarket to collect your shopping only to find there is no parking provision, so why should you expect parents and guardians living more than a mile away to not have such a provision when collecting a slightly more precious cargo?
Lendal Bridge, Police mobile speed camera's and now this. Big Brother is watching you and there is one thing in common: MONEY...your money!
No, you have missed the point. This is to stop illegal parking. Nobody is forcing people to stop driving, just to park responsibly, even if that means slightly further away from the school.
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: You have all missed the point! This is another scam to relieve the motorist of some more cash because our Council can and intend to. You wouldn't travel to a supermarket to collect your shopping only to find there is no parking provision, so why should you expect parents and guardians living more than a mile away to not have such a provision when collecting a slightly more precious cargo? Lendal Bridge, Police mobile speed camera's and now this. Big Brother is watching you and there is one thing in common: MONEY...your money![/p][/quote]No, you have missed the point. This is to stop illegal parking. Nobody is forcing people to stop driving, just to park responsibly, even if that means slightly further away from the school. imassey
  • Score: 28

7:33am Wed 5 Feb 14

mjgyork says...

Great idea and about time. But 'real' traffic wardens would be better. Hire more of them, they could easily be paid for from the fines levied on the drivers who are sure to take no notice whatsoever of these 'guidelines'.
Great idea and about time. But 'real' traffic wardens would be better. Hire more of them, they could easily be paid for from the fines levied on the drivers who are sure to take no notice whatsoever of these 'guidelines'. mjgyork
  • Score: 12

8:17am Wed 5 Feb 14

Oaklands Resident says...

Good idea for the enforcement of zig zag and double yellow lines.

However many of the problems are caused by the obstruction of driveways (sometimes "protected" by single white bar lines) and parking on verges. These "offences" don't attract fixed penalty notices.

Enforcement may therefore catch out local residents.
Good idea for the enforcement of zig zag and double yellow lines. However many of the problems are caused by the obstruction of driveways (sometimes "protected" by single white bar lines) and parking on verges. These "offences" don't attract fixed penalty notices. Enforcement may therefore catch out local residents. Oaklands Resident
  • Score: 13

8:34am Wed 5 Feb 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

This is the stupidest idea yet. Can not be enforced at all (Doubt its even legal!). Also living next to a school ive not even seen a problem at all... I'm guessing the above is exagerated or maybe i dont see it becasue i'm already out the house.

Its good to see people saying kids should cycle and they should if they are able to etc or even walk. But i think people need to face facts since the 70's or 80's times have changed. Lifestyles have changed. With the press reporting stories like boys arm grabbed will parents want to let their children go to school alone? Personally don’t have kids or get effected by the parking but i do have a problem with charging someone £70 for dropping a kid off at school. Also if it’s for h&s i think that would be worse if there are suddenly a load more kids wondering around the roads on bikes or running across unsupervised.
This is the stupidest idea yet. Can not be enforced at all (Doubt its even legal!). Also living next to a school ive not even seen a problem at all... I'm guessing the above is exagerated or maybe i dont see it becasue i'm already out the house. Its good to see people saying kids should cycle and they should if they are able to etc or even walk. But i think people need to face facts since the 70's or 80's times have changed. Lifestyles have changed. With the press reporting stories like boys arm grabbed will parents want to let their children go to school alone? Personally don’t have kids or get effected by the parking but i do have a problem with charging someone £70 for dropping a kid off at school. Also if it’s for h&s i think that would be worse if there are suddenly a load more kids wondering around the roads on bikes or running across unsupervised. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -23

8:50am Wed 5 Feb 14

the original Homer says...

This should keep the zigzag areas clear, but double yellow lines are a different matter. I suspect the Council, and many readers are missing the main point here, which is the legal definition of "parking" and what double yellow lines actually mean..

Stopping on double yellow lines to let kids get out of the car is NOT parking, nor is stopping on double yellow lines to pick them up at teatime.
They can also wait (for a short time) so long as they are stopped but not parked.

The new camera car won't be able to do anything about those, as the car has to be stopped, with the handbrake applied and the engine switched off before it is parked (which is very difficult for a camera to detect).

The camera car will be able to catch those who leave the car to
deliver / collect kids at the gate, but not those who stay sat in the car.

So it's pretty toothless really, and not addressing the real issue.

I can't see many parents signing up to the "promise" anyway, but the Schools could easily get themselves into trouble on that one. If the effect is to displace the drop-offs and pck-ups to just beyond the yellow lines, then residents there could have a genuine complaint.

The fact that double yellow lines have been used instead of zigzags implies that the area should be used for dropping off and picking up. The way to remove the problem properly is to change the road markings, not to try to change the meaning of the markings.

I am not defending the cars stopping on the double yellow lines, just pointing out that, as things stand, they have the law on their side. As the law is unlikley to change, the council need to change the road markings. Otherwise, the camera cars will have little effect.
This should keep the zigzag areas clear, but double yellow lines are a different matter. I suspect the Council, and many readers are missing the main point here, which is the legal definition of "parking" and what double yellow lines actually mean.. Stopping on double yellow lines to let kids get out of the car is NOT parking, nor is stopping on double yellow lines to pick them up at teatime. They can also wait (for a short time) so long as they are stopped but not parked. The new camera car won't be able to do anything about those, as the car has to be stopped, with the handbrake applied and the engine switched off before it is parked (which is very difficult for a camera to detect). The camera car will be able to catch those who leave the car to deliver / collect kids at the gate, but not those who stay sat in the car. So it's pretty toothless really, and not addressing the real issue. I can't see many parents signing up to the "promise" anyway, but the Schools could easily get themselves into trouble on that one. If the effect is to displace the drop-offs and pck-ups to just beyond the yellow lines, then residents there could have a genuine complaint. The fact that double yellow lines have been used instead of zigzags implies that the area should be used for dropping off and picking up. The way to remove the problem properly is to change the road markings, not to try to change the meaning of the markings. I am not defending the cars stopping on the double yellow lines, just pointing out that, as things stand, they have the law on their side. As the law is unlikley to change, the council need to change the road markings. Otherwise, the camera cars will have little effect. the original Homer
  • Score: 5

8:55am Wed 5 Feb 14

Garrowby Turnoff says...

courier46 wrote:
Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
Truth is parents are worried that some predator will take their child. Parents feel that by dropping off near to the school gates eliminates most of the risk. I can't blame parents for wanting to protect their youngsters, their anxieties made all the worse by TV sensationalism in dramas and police shows week after week.

God forbid that through such actions described, children are put in danger by having to walk unguarded to their schools.
Rubbish,we walk our grandchildren to school,it`s laziness not fear EXCUSES!
The flaw in this tack is that you're the Grandparents, not the parents. Different standpoint, different dynamics, different fears, different values, different era. It's good you're still fit enough though.
[quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: Truth is parents are worried that some predator will take their child. Parents feel that by dropping off near to the school gates eliminates most of the risk. I can't blame parents for wanting to protect their youngsters, their anxieties made all the worse by TV sensationalism in dramas and police shows week after week. God forbid that through such actions described, children are put in danger by having to walk unguarded to their schools.[/p][/quote]Rubbish,we walk our grandchildren to school,it`s laziness not fear EXCUSES![/p][/quote]The flaw in this tack is that you're the Grandparents, not the parents. Different standpoint, different dynamics, different fears, different values, different era. It's good you're still fit enough though. Garrowby Turnoff
  • Score: -10

9:16am Wed 5 Feb 14

pedalling paul says...

The problems really began when many local schools were closed/merged. This process was begun in the City by N Yorks County Council when York had two tier Local Government. It has continued under the present Unitary Authority. Despite schools now being encouraged to produce Green Travel Plans, this is sometimes a "lip service" exercise particularly for the major private schools.
The freedom to live in a posh part of the City, and send one's offspring to a school of parental choice on the opposite side of York, has also surely encouraged school run car journeys. If parents were compelled to send their kids to the physically nearest school, would this help to effect a reduction?
Thankfully many of today's children are increasingly and sensibly being exposed to encouragement to walk and cycle for local journeys. Perhaps this will encourage future generations to make lifestyle choices which are not car-dependant. .
The problems really began when many local schools were closed/merged. This process was begun in the City by N Yorks County Council when York had two tier Local Government. It has continued under the present Unitary Authority. Despite schools now being encouraged to produce Green Travel Plans, this is sometimes a "lip service" exercise particularly for the major private schools. The freedom to live in a posh part of the City, and send one's offspring to a school of parental choice on the opposite side of York, has also surely encouraged school run car journeys. If parents were compelled to send their kids to the physically nearest school, would this help to effect a reduction? Thankfully many of today's children are increasingly and sensibly being exposed to encouragement to walk and cycle for local journeys. Perhaps this will encourage future generations to make lifestyle choices which are not car-dependant. . pedalling paul
  • Score: -8

9:18am Wed 5 Feb 14

pedalling paul says...

...oh and I've just spotted the earlier story at
http://www.yorkpress
.co.uk/news/10987353
.Get_on_your_bikes__
school_pupils_urged/

about an upcoming national schools cycling and scootering competition. Bet York will be high up in the rankings.
...oh and I've just spotted the earlier story at http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/10987353 .Get_on_your_bikes__ school_pupils_urged/ about an upcoming national schools cycling and scootering competition. Bet York will be high up in the rankings. pedalling paul
  • Score: -8

9:21am Wed 5 Feb 14

again says...

Dr Brian wrote:
There is a lot more than just mums and dads taking and picking their kids up from school who park illegally - I wonder if the council will use this vehicle to catch taxi drivers who have a tendancy to think they can park anywhere they like, or the Council's own vehicles who just park on pavements and yellow lines or even the policeman who I saw yesterday park on double yellow lines whilst he nipped into the bakery to buy a cake!

I doubt it, parents are an easy target they have to be there to take and collect kids from school - therefore more fines for the council to get their hands on. Obviously the ex part time Jessops sales assistant sees this as another opportunity to generate income to balance the books - or to pay for more 20 mph zones.
You do realise that the target of your abuse may not be the only ex Jessops sales assistant around?

The old Jessops attached to the White Swan had some excellent sales assistants before digital came and it closed.

I hope they ALL found more work! Nowt wrong with having worked for Jessops, pal.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: There is a lot more than just mums and dads taking and picking their kids up from school who park illegally - I wonder if the council will use this vehicle to catch taxi drivers who have a tendancy to think they can park anywhere they like, or the Council's own vehicles who just park on pavements and yellow lines or even the policeman who I saw yesterday park on double yellow lines whilst he nipped into the bakery to buy a cake! I doubt it, parents are an easy target they have to be there to take and collect kids from school - therefore more fines for the council to get their hands on. Obviously the ex part time Jessops sales assistant sees this as another opportunity to generate income to balance the books - or to pay for more 20 mph zones.[/p][/quote]You do realise that the target of your abuse may not be the only ex Jessops sales assistant around? The old Jessops attached to the White Swan had some excellent sales assistants before digital came and it closed. I hope they ALL found more work! Nowt wrong with having worked for Jessops, pal. again
  • Score: 2

9:31am Wed 5 Feb 14

akaroa says...

The St Olaves/Peters school run starts at 07-30 ,until 08-20, during this time 125 plus mainly enormous vehicles enter the Queen Annes rd/North Parade narrow Cul-de-sac, causing mayhem .At 15-30, the whole debacle starts again and goes on for nigh on 3 hours. until late evening . Way in excess of 250 mainly 4x4s estate cars, etc. a day. A SITUATION THAT THE DECEITFUL ST PETERS MANAGEMENT LIED WOULD NEVER HAPPEN. The council/police, have never done a thing to relieve this disgusting situation Some time ago, it was suggested that residents should even be prevented from parking in order to accommodate the school run traffic ST PETERS USUALLY GET THEIR OWN WAY REGARDLESS OFTHE COST TO OTHERS, THIS TIME THEY DIDN'T St Peters .reportedly with held £2 million from the York tax payer off the cost of the old Queen Annes school in order to implement their false promises, if so where did the money go, More deceit?????
The St Olaves/Peters school run starts at 07-30 ,until 08-20, during this time 125 plus mainly enormous vehicles enter the Queen Annes rd/North Parade narrow Cul-de-sac, causing mayhem .At 15-30, the whole debacle starts again and goes on for nigh on 3 hours. until late evening . Way in excess of 250 mainly 4x4s estate cars, etc. a day. A SITUATION THAT THE DECEITFUL ST PETERS MANAGEMENT LIED WOULD NEVER HAPPEN. The council/police, have never done a thing to relieve this disgusting situation Some time ago, it was suggested that residents should even be prevented from parking in order to accommodate the school run traffic ST PETERS USUALLY GET THEIR OWN WAY REGARDLESS OFTHE COST TO OTHERS, THIS TIME THEY DIDN'T St Peters .reportedly with held £2 million from the York tax payer off the cost of the old Queen Annes school in order to implement their false promises, if so where did the money go, More deceit????? akaroa
  • Score: 25

9:53am Wed 5 Feb 14

Knavesmire view says...

Not a problem with the idea and principle behind it.

The enforcement may be an issue however. The report above refers to illegal and inappropriate parking.

These are two very different things. Illegal is a black or white matter and is an offence (double yellows etc).

However, inappropriate is completely subjective. Can a fixed penalty be enforced? And how do people appeal?

Ensuring children are safe is a priority and I agree, but the 'inappropriate' bit worries me and it could become a bit of a minefield with residents getting caught out too.
Not a problem with the idea and principle behind it. The enforcement may be an issue however. The report above refers to illegal and inappropriate parking. These are two very different things. Illegal is a black or white matter and is an offence (double yellows etc). However, inappropriate is completely subjective. Can a fixed penalty be enforced? And how do people appeal? Ensuring children are safe is a priority and I agree, but the 'inappropriate' bit worries me and it could become a bit of a minefield with residents getting caught out too. Knavesmire view
  • Score: 13

9:54am Wed 5 Feb 14

mr-grumpy says...

How on earth the planning was granted for the redevelopment of English Martyrs on Hamilton Drive. They merged 2 schools and made zero concessions for traffic management and parking which was already an issue before the increase in capacity. Now the residents of Hamilton Drive and surrounding streets get their driveways blocked parking on the verges. The poor bus tries to get through but can't due to the road been a single lane created by all the parked cars and nobody is prepared to give way. You seen see cars using the grass verge as an extension of the road. I've personally reported the number plates of parents doing this to the school but never get any response. I've also seen on numerous occasions parents opening doors into the path of cyclists which are forced into narrow gaps because drivers think it is acceptable to pass a cyclist with only a few inches gap.

Zero enforcement is shown for any of the rules of the road and I've never ever seen a police or community officer around the school at this time of day, I think they don't won't the work too much like effort to do the job.

No enforcement of restrictions
How on earth the planning was granted for the redevelopment of English Martyrs on Hamilton Drive. They merged 2 schools and made zero concessions for traffic management and parking which was already an issue before the increase in capacity. Now the residents of Hamilton Drive and surrounding streets get their driveways blocked parking on the verges. The poor bus tries to get through but can't due to the road been a single lane created by all the parked cars and nobody is prepared to give way. You seen see cars using the grass verge as an extension of the road. I've personally reported the number plates of parents doing this to the school but never get any response. I've also seen on numerous occasions parents opening doors into the path of cyclists which are forced into narrow gaps because drivers think it is acceptable to pass a cyclist with only a few inches gap. Zero enforcement is shown for any of the rules of the road and I've never ever seen a police or community officer around the school at this time of day, I think they don't won't the work too much like effort to do the job. No enforcement of restrictions mr-grumpy
  • Score: 5

10:53am Wed 5 Feb 14

Yeller Belly says...

mr-grumpy wrote:
How on earth the planning was granted for the redevelopment of English Martyrs on Hamilton Drive. They merged 2 schools and made zero concessions for traffic management and parking which was already an issue before the increase in capacity. Now the residents of Hamilton Drive and surrounding streets get their driveways blocked parking on the verges. The poor bus tries to get through but can't due to the road been a single lane created by all the parked cars and nobody is prepared to give way. You seen see cars using the grass verge as an extension of the road. I've personally reported the number plates of parents doing this to the school but never get any response. I've also seen on numerous occasions parents opening doors into the path of cyclists which are forced into narrow gaps because drivers think it is acceptable to pass a cyclist with only a few inches gap.

Zero enforcement is shown for any of the rules of the road and I've never ever seen a police or community officer around the school at this time of day, I think they don't won't the work too much like effort to do the job.

No enforcement of restrictions
I walk this route every day with my son, and although it's undoubtedly busy, you make it sound like the first 30 minutes of Saving Private Ryan.

Not everyone lives within a mile of the school. It has a large catchment area. Cycling and walking is not feasible for everyone especially when both parents are working and under pressure to get to work on time.

Having said that, I'm all in favour of a park and stride scheme and suggest this would be the way forward for all concerned. But where to park..?
[quote][p][bold]mr-grumpy[/bold] wrote: How on earth the planning was granted for the redevelopment of English Martyrs on Hamilton Drive. They merged 2 schools and made zero concessions for traffic management and parking which was already an issue before the increase in capacity. Now the residents of Hamilton Drive and surrounding streets get their driveways blocked parking on the verges. The poor bus tries to get through but can't due to the road been a single lane created by all the parked cars and nobody is prepared to give way. You seen see cars using the grass verge as an extension of the road. I've personally reported the number plates of parents doing this to the school but never get any response. I've also seen on numerous occasions parents opening doors into the path of cyclists which are forced into narrow gaps because drivers think it is acceptable to pass a cyclist with only a few inches gap. Zero enforcement is shown for any of the rules of the road and I've never ever seen a police or community officer around the school at this time of day, I think they don't won't the work too much like effort to do the job. No enforcement of restrictions[/p][/quote]I walk this route every day with my son, and although it's undoubtedly busy, you make it sound like the first 30 minutes of Saving Private Ryan. Not everyone lives within a mile of the school. It has a large catchment area. Cycling and walking is not feasible for everyone especially when both parents are working and under pressure to get to work on time. Having said that, I'm all in favour of a park and stride scheme and suggest this would be the way forward for all concerned. But where to park..? Yeller Belly
  • Score: 7

11:20am Wed 5 Feb 14

JHardacre says...

akaroa wrote:
The St Olaves/Peters school run starts at 07-30 ,until 08-20, during this time 125 plus mainly enormous vehicles enter the Queen Annes rd/North Parade narrow Cul-de-sac, causing mayhem .At 15-30, the whole debacle starts again and goes on for nigh on 3 hours. until late evening . Way in excess of 250 mainly 4x4s estate cars, etc. a day. A SITUATION THAT THE DECEITFUL ST PETERS MANAGEMENT LIED WOULD NEVER HAPPEN. The council/police, have never done a thing to relieve this disgusting situation Some time ago, it was suggested that residents should even be prevented from parking in order to accommodate the school run traffic ST PETERS USUALLY GET THEIR OWN WAY REGARDLESS OFTHE COST TO OTHERS, THIS TIME THEY DIDN'T St Peters .reportedly with held £2 million from the York tax payer off the cost of the old Queen Annes school in order to implement their false promises, if so where did the money go, More deceit?????
Mainly 4x4's?

Let's see your figures. A case of seeing what you want to see I think.
[quote][p][bold]akaroa[/bold] wrote: The St Olaves/Peters school run starts at 07-30 ,until 08-20, during this time 125 plus mainly enormous vehicles enter the Queen Annes rd/North Parade narrow Cul-de-sac, causing mayhem .At 15-30, the whole debacle starts again and goes on for nigh on 3 hours. until late evening . Way in excess of 250 mainly 4x4s estate cars, etc. a day. A SITUATION THAT THE DECEITFUL ST PETERS MANAGEMENT LIED WOULD NEVER HAPPEN. The council/police, have never done a thing to relieve this disgusting situation Some time ago, it was suggested that residents should even be prevented from parking in order to accommodate the school run traffic ST PETERS USUALLY GET THEIR OWN WAY REGARDLESS OFTHE COST TO OTHERS, THIS TIME THEY DIDN'T St Peters .reportedly with held £2 million from the York tax payer off the cost of the old Queen Annes school in order to implement their false promises, if so where did the money go, More deceit?????[/p][/quote]Mainly 4x4's? Let's see your figures. A case of seeing what you want to see I think. JHardacre
  • Score: -8

11:22am Wed 5 Feb 14

bjb says...

I think many on here are getting a bit carried away with what is being proposed. As has been said by many on here there is a problem with 'school run' parking, but I am sure it is the enforcement of the area within the confines of the zigzag zones in front of the schools and adjacent double yellow lines. Although there is an ongoing and obvious problem with parking across people's driveways and on verges, this is not as enforceable as the marked areas and will in my opinion not be scoped by the camera car.

For those that assume you have not committed an offense by 'parking' (not waiting) across someone's access, think again. Most people are considerate and either walk with their kids to school or park as far away as not to cause an obstruction. It is usually those that arrive late that blatantly park (and I mean park) on the zigzag.

Big wooden posts have had to be put into the kerb edge at Robert Wilkinson's in Strensall to stop people not only parking on the zigzag but also the footpath and the zigzags.

Why do some people believe the law does not apply to them. Bring on the camera car.
I think many on here are getting a bit carried away with what is being proposed. As has been said by many on here there is a problem with 'school run' parking, but I am sure it is the enforcement of the area within the confines of the zigzag zones in front of the schools and adjacent double yellow lines. Although there is an ongoing and obvious problem with parking across people's driveways and on verges, this is not as enforceable as the marked areas and will in my opinion not be scoped by the camera car. For those that assume you have not committed an offense by 'parking' (not waiting) across someone's access, think again. Most people are considerate and either walk with their kids to school or park as far away as not to cause an obstruction. It is usually those that arrive late that blatantly park (and I mean park) on the zigzag. Big wooden posts have had to be put into the kerb edge at Robert Wilkinson's in Strensall to stop people not only parking on the zigzag but also the footpath and the zigzags. Why do some people believe the law does not apply to them. Bring on the camera car. bjb
  • Score: 16

11:24am Wed 5 Feb 14

mjgyork says...

Concerning the restrictions concerning loading and unloading on Double yellow lines that seems to occupy knavesmireview? That is easily remedied by the addition on yellow lines also being applied to the kerbs. Money well spent! Of course, "Driving with undue care and attention" IS an offence already. It is a pity that "Lack of consideration for others..." is not!
Concerning the restrictions concerning loading and unloading on Double yellow lines that seems to occupy knavesmireview? That is easily remedied by the addition on yellow lines also being applied to the kerbs. Money well spent! Of course, "Driving with undue care and attention" IS an offence already. It is a pity that "Lack of consideration for others..." is not! mjgyork
  • Score: -3

11:26am Wed 5 Feb 14

Funnyian says...

This is a great idea, I have no problem with it apart from, will the people using this cctv system be fully qualified and licensed to operate and review the information received. As a serving security officer I have had to acquire a CCTV SIA licence at my own expense and it rubs me up the wrong way when none licensed operators use loopholes to do this type of job
This is a great idea, I have no problem with it apart from, will the people using this cctv system be fully qualified and licensed to operate and review the information received. As a serving security officer I have had to acquire a CCTV SIA licence at my own expense and it rubs me up the wrong way when none licensed operators use loopholes to do this type of job Funnyian
  • Score: -3

11:40am Wed 5 Feb 14

the original Homer says...

mjgyork wrote:
Concerning the restrictions concerning loading and unloading on Double yellow lines that seems to occupy knavesmireview? That is easily remedied by the addition on yellow lines also being applied to the kerbs. Money well spent! Of course, "Driving with undue care and attention" IS an offence already. It is a pity that "Lack of consideration for others..." is not!
"Driving with undue care and attention"??

That would be taking care when you should be being careless!

I think it is perfectly OK to be able to take extra care,a nd regardless of what you say, that ISN'T an offence already
[quote][p][bold]mjgyork[/bold] wrote: Concerning the restrictions concerning loading and unloading on Double yellow lines that seems to occupy knavesmireview? That is easily remedied by the addition on yellow lines also being applied to the kerbs. Money well spent! Of course, "Driving with undue care and attention" IS an offence already. It is a pity that "Lack of consideration for others..." is not![/p][/quote]"Driving with undue care and attention"?? That would be taking care when you should be being careless! I think it is perfectly OK to be able to take extra care,a nd regardless of what you say, that ISN'T an offence already the original Homer
  • Score: 1

11:41am Wed 5 Feb 14

roskoboskovic says...

this isn t a crackdown it s yet another chance to persecute motorists and fill the coffers at the same time.ycc have a lot to answer for because for the car driver york is turning into a mini police state.
this isn t a crackdown it s yet another chance to persecute motorists and fill the coffers at the same time.ycc have a lot to answer for because for the car driver york is turning into a mini police state. roskoboskovic
  • Score: -14

11:48am Wed 5 Feb 14

akaroa says...

Reply to jhardacre, Over the years I have gathered huge amounts of pictorial proof of this prime example of ST PETERS PURE SELFISHNESS AND UTTER DISREGARD FOR OTHERS EXCEPT THEIR OWN ILK.. The vehicles that are driven down the once quite Victorian/Edwardian Cul-De-Sac of Queen Annes rd/North Parade, are typical of the moneyed types that pay for their minors schooling, the sort driven by the affluent mainly, 4x4s, Bentleys, large BMWs, big Mercs, ETC, ETC, ETC ETC,ETC. The councils words are pure rhetoric, full stop
Reply to jhardacre, Over the years I have gathered huge amounts of pictorial proof of this prime example of ST PETERS PURE SELFISHNESS AND UTTER DISREGARD FOR OTHERS EXCEPT THEIR OWN ILK.. The vehicles that are driven down the once quite Victorian/Edwardian Cul-De-Sac of Queen Annes rd/North Parade, are typical of the moneyed types that pay for their minors schooling, the sort driven by the affluent mainly, 4x4s, Bentleys, large BMWs, big Mercs, ETC, ETC, ETC ETC,ETC. The councils words are pure rhetoric, full stop akaroa
  • Score: 10

12:20pm Wed 5 Feb 14

york_chap says...

Don't get what the fuss is about. The article says the camera car is only to enforce 'no stopping zones' which is fair enough, really. As long as the council don't start painting yellow lines for 1/2 a mile either side of every school; this shouldn't be a problem.

For those who say everyone should walk or cycle; they should realise that some pupils live more than a mile from their school, sometimes via very busy roads. If their parents are driving to work elsewhere; it makes sense to drop the children off at school on their way to work. Young kids shouldn't be expected to walk/cycle/use a bus for a mile or more unaccompanied; not these days anyway (sadly).

As for the private schools that have been mentioned, to be fair they do seem to have car parks/drop off areas within the school grounds and a lot of the pupils come in from areas outside the city that require a car journey. Whilst it does seem silly to use a big 4x4 to drop off 1 or 2 children (particular example being the Hummer H2 that used to go down to st peters); I guess if that's the car you drive then that's what you'll use.
Don't get what the fuss is about. The article says the camera car is only to enforce 'no stopping zones' which is fair enough, really. As long as the council don't start painting yellow lines for 1/2 a mile either side of every school; this shouldn't be a problem. For those who say everyone should walk or cycle; they should realise that some pupils live more than a mile from their school, sometimes via very busy roads. If their parents are driving to work elsewhere; it makes sense to drop the children off at school on their way to work. Young kids shouldn't be expected to walk/cycle/use a bus for a mile or more unaccompanied; not these days anyway (sadly). As for the private schools that have been mentioned, to be fair they do seem to have car parks/drop off areas within the school grounds and a lot of the pupils come in from areas outside the city that require a car journey. Whilst it does seem silly to use a big 4x4 to drop off 1 or 2 children (particular example being the Hummer H2 that used to go down to st peters); I guess if that's the car you drive then that's what you'll use. york_chap
  • Score: 3

12:26pm Wed 5 Feb 14

ouseswimmer says...

Dr Brian wrote:
There is a lot more than just mums and dads taking and picking their kids up from school who park illegally - I wonder if the council will use this vehicle to catch taxi drivers who have a tendancy to think they can park anywhere they like, or the Council's own vehicles who just park on pavements and yellow lines or even the policeman who I saw yesterday park on double yellow lines whilst he nipped into the bakery to buy a cake!

I doubt it, parents are an easy target they have to be there to take and collect kids from school - therefore more fines for the council to get their hands on. Obviously the ex part time Jessops sales assistant sees this as another opportunity to generate income to balance the books - or to pay for more 20 mph zones.
If you or anyone else ever see a taxi acting illegally like this I suggest you take a photo and email it to the Councils Taxi department. They will place this on file and when they review licences such actions are taken into account and licences removed.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: There is a lot more than just mums and dads taking and picking their kids up from school who park illegally - I wonder if the council will use this vehicle to catch taxi drivers who have a tendancy to think they can park anywhere they like, or the Council's own vehicles who just park on pavements and yellow lines or even the policeman who I saw yesterday park on double yellow lines whilst he nipped into the bakery to buy a cake! I doubt it, parents are an easy target they have to be there to take and collect kids from school - therefore more fines for the council to get their hands on. Obviously the ex part time Jessops sales assistant sees this as another opportunity to generate income to balance the books - or to pay for more 20 mph zones.[/p][/quote]If you or anyone else ever see a taxi acting illegally like this I suggest you take a photo and email it to the Councils Taxi department. They will place this on file and when they review licences such actions are taken into account and licences removed. ouseswimmer
  • Score: 5

12:40pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Mulgrave says...

A few years ago in Strensall a vehicle parked so I couldn't get out of the drive serving 3 properties and there it stayed, after half an hour I rang the police, and eventually the owner turned up and got my opinion of their driving skills and were contacted by the police later for a repeat, perhaps without some of the words I used. Turned out to be the chair of the PTA of the school in the village that was in the middle of a campaign about parking issues near the school.
A few years ago in Strensall a vehicle parked so I couldn't get out of the drive serving 3 properties and there it stayed, after half an hour I rang the police, and eventually the owner turned up and got my opinion of their driving skills and were contacted by the police later for a repeat, perhaps without some of the words I used. Turned out to be the chair of the PTA of the school in the village that was in the middle of a campaign about parking issues near the school. Mulgrave
  • Score: 10

12:48pm Wed 5 Feb 14

anonyork says...

As a working parent who does the "school run" every day, in the car, I feel the need to comment on this. I have no issue with stopping illegal parking/stopping and dangerous driving but to all those who label us lazy for not walking our children to school then you need to live in the real world. I have very understanding/flexib
le employers who allow me to start work later than most of my colleagues in order to be able to drop off my child at school. This means, however, that I don't have the luxury of the time it would take to walk to school, wait until the school bell rings and then walk home to get into my car and then drive past school to get to work! It is a simple case of time! If, however, the school would allow the children to be on school premises, un-supervised from 8:45 am then perhaps that would give me time to walk! Primary schools, in particular, have to take some responsibility in that they will not allow parents simply to "drop off" at schools, they insist that we stay with them until it is time to go into class. Therefore they are causing more of a problem because parents then need to park their cars, as in my own case in order to take the children to school. I, personally, park as far away from the school road as I can feasibly manage and we walk the rest of the way.
As a working parent who does the "school run" every day, in the car, I feel the need to comment on this. I have no issue with stopping illegal parking/stopping and dangerous driving but to all those who label us lazy for not walking our children to school then you need to live in the real world. I have very understanding/flexib le employers who allow me to start work later than most of my colleagues in order to be able to drop off my child at school. This means, however, that I don't have the luxury of the time it would take to walk to school, wait until the school bell rings and then walk home to get into my car and then drive past school to get to work! It is a simple case of time! If, however, the school would allow the children to be on school premises, un-supervised from 8:45 am then perhaps that would give me time to walk! Primary schools, in particular, have to take some responsibility in that they will not allow parents simply to "drop off" at schools, they insist that we stay with them until it is time to go into class. Therefore they are causing more of a problem because parents then need to park their cars, as in my own case in order to take the children to school. I, personally, park as far away from the school road as I can feasibly manage and we walk the rest of the way. anonyork
  • Score: 10

1:10pm Wed 5 Feb 14

BertieBrompton says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
You have all missed the point! This is another scam to relieve the motorist of some more cash because our Council can and intend to.
You wouldn't travel to a supermarket to collect your shopping only to find there is no parking provision, so why should you expect parents and guardians living more than a mile away to not have such a provision when collecting a slightly more precious cargo?
Lendal Bridge, Police mobile speed camera's and now this. Big Brother is watching you and there is one thing in common: MONEY...your money!
Unable to walk one mile - are you kidding?
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: You have all missed the point! This is another scam to relieve the motorist of some more cash because our Council can and intend to. You wouldn't travel to a supermarket to collect your shopping only to find there is no parking provision, so why should you expect parents and guardians living more than a mile away to not have such a provision when collecting a slightly more precious cargo? Lendal Bridge, Police mobile speed camera's and now this. Big Brother is watching you and there is one thing in common: MONEY...your money![/p][/quote]Unable to walk one mile - are you kidding? BertieBrompton
  • Score: 8

1:20pm Wed 5 Feb 14

sounds weird but says...

Yeller Belly wrote:
mr-grumpy wrote: How on earth the planning was granted for the redevelopment of English Martyrs on Hamilton Drive. They merged 2 schools and made zero concessions for traffic management and parking which was already an issue before the increase in capacity. Now the residents of Hamilton Drive and surrounding streets get their driveways blocked parking on the verges. The poor bus tries to get through but can't due to the road been a single lane created by all the parked cars and nobody is prepared to give way. You seen see cars using the grass verge as an extension of the road. I've personally reported the number plates of parents doing this to the school but never get any response. I've also seen on numerous occasions parents opening doors into the path of cyclists which are forced into narrow gaps because drivers think it is acceptable to pass a cyclist with only a few inches gap. Zero enforcement is shown for any of the rules of the road and I've never ever seen a police or community officer around the school at this time of day, I think they don't won't the work too much like effort to do the job. No enforcement of restrictions
I walk this route every day with my son, and although it's undoubtedly busy, you make it sound like the first 30 minutes of Saving Private Ryan. Not everyone lives within a mile of the school. It has a large catchment area. Cycling and walking is not feasible for everyone especially when both parents are working and under pressure to get to work on time. Having said that, I'm all in favour of a park and stride scheme and suggest this would be the way forward for all concerned. But where to park..?
Some people here are saying they need to drive thier children in so they can get on to work and dont have time to walk.

Well what about everyone else..THEY just want to get on too and are being slowed down by the drivers parking all over the place!
[quote][p][bold]Yeller Belly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr-grumpy[/bold] wrote: How on earth the planning was granted for the redevelopment of English Martyrs on Hamilton Drive. They merged 2 schools and made zero concessions for traffic management and parking which was already an issue before the increase in capacity. Now the residents of Hamilton Drive and surrounding streets get their driveways blocked parking on the verges. The poor bus tries to get through but can't due to the road been a single lane created by all the parked cars and nobody is prepared to give way. You seen see cars using the grass verge as an extension of the road. I've personally reported the number plates of parents doing this to the school but never get any response. I've also seen on numerous occasions parents opening doors into the path of cyclists which are forced into narrow gaps because drivers think it is acceptable to pass a cyclist with only a few inches gap. Zero enforcement is shown for any of the rules of the road and I've never ever seen a police or community officer around the school at this time of day, I think they don't won't the work too much like effort to do the job. No enforcement of restrictions[/p][/quote]I walk this route every day with my son, and although it's undoubtedly busy, you make it sound like the first 30 minutes of Saving Private Ryan. Not everyone lives within a mile of the school. It has a large catchment area. Cycling and walking is not feasible for everyone especially when both parents are working and under pressure to get to work on time. Having said that, I'm all in favour of a park and stride scheme and suggest this would be the way forward for all concerned. But where to park..?[/p][/quote]Some people here are saying they need to drive thier children in so they can get on to work and dont have time to walk. Well what about everyone else..THEY just want to get on too and are being slowed down by the drivers parking all over the place! sounds weird but
  • Score: 5

1:22pm Wed 5 Feb 14

courier46 says...

anonyork wrote:
As a working parent who does the "school runI think the lazy tag is referring to those that live within 400 metres of the school and who want to park as close as possible thus causing parking and blocking problems,which I see all the time at Woodthorpe school,however I believe the school is trying to address the problem, and traffic wardens are there now and then.If it is a GENUINE problem of time then I cant see how you can think it was aimed at these particular drivers or yourself who park legally and not cause a problem.
[quote][p][bold]anonyork[/bold] wrote: As a working parent who does the "school runI think the lazy tag is referring to those that live within 400 metres of the school and who want to park as close as possible thus causing parking and blocking problems,which I see all the time at Woodthorpe school,however I believe the school is trying to address the problem, and traffic wardens are there now and then.If it is a GENUINE problem of time then I cant see how you can think it was aimed at these particular drivers or yourself who park legally and not cause a problem. courier46
  • Score: 2

1:24pm Wed 5 Feb 14

courier46 says...

To Anonyork -I think the lazy tag is referring to those that live within 400 metres of the school and who want to park as close as possible thus causing parking and blocking problems,which I see all the time at Woodthorpe school,however I believe the school is trying to address the problem, and traffic wardens are there now and then.If it is a GENUINE problem of time then I cant see how you can think it was aimed at these particular drivers or yourself who park legally and not cause a problem.
To Anonyork -I think the lazy tag is referring to those that live within 400 metres of the school and who want to park as close as possible thus causing parking and blocking problems,which I see all the time at Woodthorpe school,however I believe the school is trying to address the problem, and traffic wardens are there now and then.If it is a GENUINE problem of time then I cant see how you can think it was aimed at these particular drivers or yourself who park legally and not cause a problem. courier46
  • Score: 0

1:44pm Wed 5 Feb 14

the original Homer says...

Not having any children of school-going age, I wasn't aware of the point (made by anonyork) that some schools don't allow parents to drop kids off before classes start.

Where a School has that restriction, it does make driving and parking the most feasible option for anyone who lives a distance away (and that isn't always by choice). I fully agree that walking / cycling are not good options if the parent has to accompany the child, and then wait until school starts and then walk / cycle back home.

If they do use the car, then making sure they're not late and allowing for hold-ups will also mean that most cars arrrive 10-15 minutes before school starts. They are then forced to park up and wait, and the legal places for doing that are limited in number.

I'm not condoning illegal or inconsiderate parking, but schools must take some of the responsibility if their rules are the cause of more cars being used and of all those cars being in the same place at the same time.

Without associating blame, the problem is actually the sum of a few things coming together, i.e.:

Larger catchment areas
More familes where both parents work
More parking restrictions
Bigger cars
School "no drop-off" rules

In the "olden days" perents would have taken turns to stand at the gate and look after a group of kids, but that probably needs CRB checks these days. Common sense would suggest that paying teachers/assistants half an hours overtime would be a better option than a camera car though.

Maybe there are good reasons behind the "no drop-off" rule - I don't know, but surely the schools should be looking at this before going down the (potentially ineffective) route of camera cars and fines.
Not having any children of school-going age, I wasn't aware of the point (made by anonyork) that some schools don't allow parents to drop kids off before classes start. Where a School has that restriction, it does make driving and parking the most feasible option for anyone who lives a distance away (and that isn't always by choice). I fully agree that walking / cycling are not good options if the parent has to accompany the child, and then wait until school starts and then walk / cycle back home. If they do use the car, then making sure they're not late and allowing for hold-ups will also mean that most cars arrrive 10-15 minutes before school starts. They are then forced to park up and wait, and the legal places for doing that are limited in number. I'm not condoning illegal or inconsiderate parking, but schools must take some of the responsibility if their rules are the cause of more cars being used and of all those cars being in the same place at the same time. Without associating blame, the problem is actually the sum of a few things coming together, i.e.: Larger catchment areas More familes where both parents work More parking restrictions Bigger cars School "no drop-off" rules In the "olden days" perents would have taken turns to stand at the gate and look after a group of kids, but that probably needs CRB checks these days. Common sense would suggest that paying teachers/assistants half an hours overtime would be a better option than a camera car though. Maybe there are good reasons behind the "no drop-off" rule - I don't know, but surely the schools should be looking at this before going down the (potentially ineffective) route of camera cars and fines. the original Homer
  • Score: 9

2:16pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

I see the fact that teachers can drive to school - and park there for free - hasn't been touched on. Other people who park in congested areas where they work usually have to pay. Schools obviously expect car traffic if they give tax-free perks like parking on the premises to their employees.... so they should expect them on the streets outside too.
I see the fact that teachers can drive to school - and park there for free - hasn't been touched on. Other people who park in congested areas where they work usually have to pay. Schools obviously expect car traffic if they give tax-free perks like parking on the premises to their employees.... so they should expect them on the streets outside too. Ignatius Lumpopo
  • Score: -8

2:36pm Wed 5 Feb 14

DanielKhaine says...

So my kids Primary School is 3 miles away crosses 2 very busy roads (Malton Road and Stockton Lane), shall I get them to walk?

All those people whining about parents finally getting what for, get a life. I agree some do park stupidly but for those of us who have to drop kids off, then get to work, walking / cycling / getting the bus isn't an option.

Try not to be so stereotypical and actually look at who causes the problem instead of jumping on the "They are all in the wrong" band wagon.
So my kids Primary School is 3 miles away crosses 2 very busy roads (Malton Road and Stockton Lane), shall I get them to walk? All those people whining about parents finally getting what for, get a life. I agree some do park stupidly but for those of us who have to drop kids off, then get to work, walking / cycling / getting the bus isn't an option. Try not to be so stereotypical and actually look at who causes the problem instead of jumping on the "They are all in the wrong" band wagon. DanielKhaine
  • Score: -6

3:08pm Wed 5 Feb 14

LadyYork1979 says...

3.8liter wrote:
Great idea. Start with the school on Hamiliton Drive.
Absolutely!! This road is an utter nightmare for my husband in a coach on a morning. Drivers are rude and arrogant and have the audacity to tell him to get out of the way!!!

Same goes for Westfield school, some nasty piece of work in a blue transit... with his young daughter having a god this morning because my coach wouldn't move out of his way... my tax disc will run out before I move!
[quote][p][bold]3.8liter[/bold] wrote: Great idea. Start with the school on Hamiliton Drive.[/p][/quote]Absolutely!! This road is an utter nightmare for my husband in a coach on a morning. Drivers are rude and arrogant and have the audacity to tell him to get out of the way!!! Same goes for Westfield school, some nasty piece of work in a blue transit... with his young daughter having a god this morning because my coach wouldn't move out of his way... my tax disc will run out before I move! LadyYork1979
  • Score: 4

3:33pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

i like how many people seem in favour of this despite driving over lendal has you all crying for the councils blood. Whats the difference? both are clearly marked? both cause traffic issues? Read the article above and then re think if punishing parents dropping off and picking up their children when there are scrots like that around. Hardly an isolated case either.

So many people on here contradict their own views to suit their own life. I saw one comment above saying grandparents walk them to school.. well that’s f@'@@@n great if they are able to and have the time due to retirement. But most people don’t have that luxury. So how is it lazy? Most parents (some even single) have to drive and park where they can to manage time in order to make ends meet. And as for someone complaining about driving a coach past the school run..... Sell it and buy something sensible... sure your neighbour’s don’t really like you having that in the way when you drive. But they don’t ask you to be fined!
i like how many people seem in favour of this despite driving over lendal has you all crying for the councils blood. Whats the difference? both are clearly marked? both cause traffic issues? Read the article above and then re think if punishing parents dropping off and picking up their children when there are scrots like that around. Hardly an isolated case either. So many people on here contradict their own views to suit their own life. I saw one comment above saying grandparents walk them to school.. well that’s f@'@@@n great if they are able to and have the time due to retirement. But most people don’t have that luxury. So how is it lazy? Most parents (some even single) have to drive and park where they can to manage time in order to make ends meet. And as for someone complaining about driving a coach past the school run..... Sell it and buy something sensible... sure your neighbour’s don’t really like you having that in the way when you drive. But they don’t ask you to be fined! Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 5

3:42pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

brummiebob wrote:
JHardacre wrote: How's this for an off-the-wall idea. PROVIDE CAR PARKS AT SCHOOLS!
There are, for teachers, if you provided larger car parks, at great cost, we would have long queues getting in and out. Just as dangerous for children, the only answer is walk, cycle or park away from the school, not in the bus stop outside, not on the zig zags where children cross, not on the double yellow lines and not in the school gate entrance, having to reverse out into crowds of children. I have seen a child hit by a car, I don't ever want to see that again.
Was the child hit by the car on their way to school? As if they were dropped off at the gate or close I’d suggest the chance of being hit would be reduced! Saying in one instance get more kids out of cars then saying you saw one hit (guessing as they were not in a car) contradicts itself.
[quote][p][bold]brummiebob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHardacre[/bold] wrote: How's this for an off-the-wall idea. PROVIDE CAR PARKS AT SCHOOLS![/p][/quote]There are, for teachers, if you provided larger car parks, at great cost, we would have long queues getting in and out. Just as dangerous for children, the only answer is walk, cycle or park away from the school, not in the bus stop outside, not on the zig zags where children cross, not on the double yellow lines and not in the school gate entrance, having to reverse out into crowds of children. I have seen a child hit by a car, I don't ever want to see that again.[/p][/quote]Was the child hit by the car on their way to school? As if they were dropped off at the gate or close I’d suggest the chance of being hit would be reduced! Saying in one instance get more kids out of cars then saying you saw one hit (guessing as they were not in a car) contradicts itself. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 2

3:52pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Yeller Belly says...

sounds weird but wrote:
Yeller Belly wrote:
mr-grumpy wrote: How on earth the planning was granted for the redevelopment of English Martyrs on Hamilton Drive. They merged 2 schools and made zero concessions for traffic management and parking which was already an issue before the increase in capacity. Now the residents of Hamilton Drive and surrounding streets get their driveways blocked parking on the verges. The poor bus tries to get through but can't due to the road been a single lane created by all the parked cars and nobody is prepared to give way. You seen see cars using the grass verge as an extension of the road. I've personally reported the number plates of parents doing this to the school but never get any response. I've also seen on numerous occasions parents opening doors into the path of cyclists which are forced into narrow gaps because drivers think it is acceptable to pass a cyclist with only a few inches gap. Zero enforcement is shown for any of the rules of the road and I've never ever seen a police or community officer around the school at this time of day, I think they don't won't the work too much like effort to do the job. No enforcement of restrictions
I walk this route every day with my son, and although it's undoubtedly busy, you make it sound like the first 30 minutes of Saving Private Ryan. Not everyone lives within a mile of the school. It has a large catchment area. Cycling and walking is not feasible for everyone especially when both parents are working and under pressure to get to work on time. Having said that, I'm all in favour of a park and stride scheme and suggest this would be the way forward for all concerned. But where to park..?
Some people here are saying they need to drive thier children in so they can get on to work and dont have time to walk.

Well what about everyone else..THEY just want to get on too and are being slowed down by the drivers parking all over the place!
As I said, I walk.

Just me giving up my car isn't going to solve the problem though is it? Hence my comments and suggestions. Alternatively, I could just USE CAPITAL LETTERS ON THE INTERNET.
[quote][p][bold]sounds weird but[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yeller Belly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr-grumpy[/bold] wrote: How on earth the planning was granted for the redevelopment of English Martyrs on Hamilton Drive. They merged 2 schools and made zero concessions for traffic management and parking which was already an issue before the increase in capacity. Now the residents of Hamilton Drive and surrounding streets get their driveways blocked parking on the verges. The poor bus tries to get through but can't due to the road been a single lane created by all the parked cars and nobody is prepared to give way. You seen see cars using the grass verge as an extension of the road. I've personally reported the number plates of parents doing this to the school but never get any response. I've also seen on numerous occasions parents opening doors into the path of cyclists which are forced into narrow gaps because drivers think it is acceptable to pass a cyclist with only a few inches gap. Zero enforcement is shown for any of the rules of the road and I've never ever seen a police or community officer around the school at this time of day, I think they don't won't the work too much like effort to do the job. No enforcement of restrictions[/p][/quote]I walk this route every day with my son, and although it's undoubtedly busy, you make it sound like the first 30 minutes of Saving Private Ryan. Not everyone lives within a mile of the school. It has a large catchment area. Cycling and walking is not feasible for everyone especially when both parents are working and under pressure to get to work on time. Having said that, I'm all in favour of a park and stride scheme and suggest this would be the way forward for all concerned. But where to park..?[/p][/quote]Some people here are saying they need to drive thier children in so they can get on to work and dont have time to walk. Well what about everyone else..THEY just want to get on too and are being slowed down by the drivers parking all over the place![/p][/quote]As I said, I walk. Just me giving up my car isn't going to solve the problem though is it? Hence my comments and suggestions. Alternatively, I could just USE CAPITAL LETTERS ON THE INTERNET. Yeller Belly
  • Score: 8

5:07pm Wed 5 Feb 14

fixedfanatic says...

DanielKhaine wrote:
So my kids Primary School is 3 miles away crosses 2 very busy roads (Malton Road and Stockton Lane), shall I get them to walk?

All those people whining about parents finally getting what for, get a life. I agree some do park stupidly but for those of us who have to drop kids off, then get to work, walking / cycling / getting the bus isn't an option.

Try not to be so stereotypical and actually look at who causes the problem instead of jumping on the "They are all in the wrong" band wagon.
How about you get them in a school nearer to home, the push to get children into certain schools adds to the problem.
[quote][p][bold]DanielKhaine[/bold] wrote: So my kids Primary School is 3 miles away crosses 2 very busy roads (Malton Road and Stockton Lane), shall I get them to walk? All those people whining about parents finally getting what for, get a life. I agree some do park stupidly but for those of us who have to drop kids off, then get to work, walking / cycling / getting the bus isn't an option. Try not to be so stereotypical and actually look at who causes the problem instead of jumping on the "They are all in the wrong" band wagon.[/p][/quote]How about you get them in a school nearer to home, the push to get children into certain schools adds to the problem. fixedfanatic
  • Score: 10

5:11pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Caecilius says...

Could the council please make use of the traffic camera that they already have at Clifton Green, and start prosecuting the dangerous idiots who deliberately obstruct the junction at peak times? It's a box junction. If you're coming out of Water Lane, you want to go down Water End but you see that you won't be able to get off the junction because of the usual massive tailback of cars - then you stay put. You do not drive onto the junction and stop on it. You do not drive onto the junction and double-park on it. You do not drive through a red light in order to stop on the junction. Are you blind, asleep, smoking crack, half-witted or is it just that you don't give a toss for anybody else?
Could the council please make use of the traffic camera that they already have at Clifton Green, and start prosecuting the dangerous idiots who deliberately obstruct the junction at peak times? It's a box junction. If you're coming out of Water Lane, you want to go down Water End but you see that you won't be able to get off the junction because of the usual massive tailback of cars - then you stay put. You do not drive onto the junction and stop on it. You do not drive onto the junction and double-park on it. You do not drive through a red light in order to stop on the junction. Are you blind, asleep, smoking crack, half-witted or is it just that you don't give a toss for anybody else? Caecilius
  • Score: 0

5:28pm Wed 5 Feb 14

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

Caecilius wrote:
Could the council please make use of the traffic camera that they already have at Clifton Green, and start prosecuting the dangerous idiots who deliberately obstruct the junction at peak times? It's a box junction. If you're coming out of Water Lane, you want to go down Water End but you see that you won't be able to get off the junction because of the usual massive tailback of cars - then you stay put. You do not drive onto the junction and stop on it. You do not drive onto the junction and double-park on it. You do not drive through a red light in order to stop on the junction. Are you blind, asleep, smoking crack, half-witted or is it just that you don't give a toss for anybody else?
You seem to not give a toss about anything except that one junction.
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: Could the council please make use of the traffic camera that they already have at Clifton Green, and start prosecuting the dangerous idiots who deliberately obstruct the junction at peak times? It's a box junction. If you're coming out of Water Lane, you want to go down Water End but you see that you won't be able to get off the junction because of the usual massive tailback of cars - then you stay put. You do not drive onto the junction and stop on it. You do not drive onto the junction and double-park on it. You do not drive through a red light in order to stop on the junction. Are you blind, asleep, smoking crack, half-witted or is it just that you don't give a toss for anybody else?[/p][/quote]You seem to not give a toss about anything except that one junction. NoNewsIsGoodNews
  • Score: 4

5:30pm Wed 5 Feb 14

courier46 says...

To Archiebold the 1st,you`ve got a F@`@@@n mouth on you ain`t u, we are grandparents but not retired but do have time to walk yes walk to school somedays.My problem is not with working people who don't have time or with people who live too far away but the lazy ones who do have time to walk ,who don't live over a 500 yrds away and the ones who think it`s there right to park where they want.IE over peoples drives and blocking roads.
To Archiebold the 1st,you`ve got a F@`@@@n mouth on you ain`t u, we are grandparents but not retired but do have time to walk yes walk to school somedays.My problem is not with working people who don't have time or with people who live too far away but the lazy ones who do have time to walk ,who don't live over a 500 yrds away and the ones who think it`s there right to park where they want.IE over peoples drives and blocking roads. courier46
  • Score: 7

5:39pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Geoffers says...

Quite right courier46!

There are few that regard themselves as 'special cases' and cause aggro for other parents, the school and residents by their attitude.
The problem is always far worse in the afternoon when it becomes a park, wait, chatter and greet. The mornings are usually just stop and drop!
Quite right courier46! There are few that regard themselves as 'special cases' and cause aggro for other parents, the school and residents by their attitude. The problem is always far worse in the afternoon when it becomes a park, wait, chatter and greet. The mornings are usually just stop and drop! Geoffers
  • Score: 4

8:42pm Wed 5 Feb 14

York Urban says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
You have all missed the point! This is another scam to relieve the motorist of some more cash because our Council can and intend to.
You wouldn't travel to a supermarket to collect your shopping only to find there is no parking provision, so why should you expect parents and guardians living more than a mile away to not have such a provision when collecting a slightly more precious cargo?
Lendal Bridge, Police mobile speed camera's and now this. Big Brother is watching you and there is one thing in common: MONEY...your money!
Not my money, ColdasChristmas. I walk or cycle with my kids to school; we shop by bike and we also walk or cycle over Lendal bridge. It's much nicer that way.
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: You have all missed the point! This is another scam to relieve the motorist of some more cash because our Council can and intend to. You wouldn't travel to a supermarket to collect your shopping only to find there is no parking provision, so why should you expect parents and guardians living more than a mile away to not have such a provision when collecting a slightly more precious cargo? Lendal Bridge, Police mobile speed camera's and now this. Big Brother is watching you and there is one thing in common: MONEY...your money![/p][/quote]Not my money, ColdasChristmas. I walk or cycle with my kids to school; we shop by bike and we also walk or cycle over Lendal bridge. It's much nicer that way. York Urban
  • Score: 2

8:50pm Wed 5 Feb 14

York Urban says...

anonyork wrote:
As a working parent who does the "school run" every day, in the car, I feel the need to comment on this. I have no issue with stopping illegal parking/stopping and dangerous driving but to all those who label us lazy for not walking our children to school then you need to live in the real world. I have very understanding/flexib

le employers who allow me to start work later than most of my colleagues in order to be able to drop off my child at school. This means, however, that I don't have the luxury of the time it would take to walk to school, wait until the school bell rings and then walk home to get into my car and then drive past school to get to work! It is a simple case of time! If, however, the school would allow the children to be on school premises, un-supervised from 8:45 am then perhaps that would give me time to walk! Primary schools, in particular, have to take some responsibility in that they will not allow parents simply to "drop off" at schools, they insist that we stay with them until it is time to go into class. Therefore they are causing more of a problem because parents then need to park their cars, as in my own case in order to take the children to school. I, personally, park as far away from the school road as I can feasibly manage and we walk the rest of the way.
anonyork makes a really good point - I have often thought the same thing. Counil should look into this one.
[quote][p][bold]anonyork[/bold] wrote: As a working parent who does the "school run" every day, in the car, I feel the need to comment on this. I have no issue with stopping illegal parking/stopping and dangerous driving but to all those who label us lazy for not walking our children to school then you need to live in the real world. I have very understanding/flexib le employers who allow me to start work later than most of my colleagues in order to be able to drop off my child at school. This means, however, that I don't have the luxury of the time it would take to walk to school, wait until the school bell rings and then walk home to get into my car and then drive past school to get to work! It is a simple case of time! If, however, the school would allow the children to be on school premises, un-supervised from 8:45 am then perhaps that would give me time to walk! Primary schools, in particular, have to take some responsibility in that they will not allow parents simply to "drop off" at schools, they insist that we stay with them until it is time to go into class. Therefore they are causing more of a problem because parents then need to park their cars, as in my own case in order to take the children to school. I, personally, park as far away from the school road as I can feasibly manage and we walk the rest of the way.[/p][/quote]anonyork makes a really good point - I have often thought the same thing. Counil should look into this one. York Urban
  • Score: 3

10:29pm Wed 5 Feb 14

cas540 says...

Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
Truth is parents are worried that some predator will take their child. Parents feel that by dropping off near to the school gates eliminates most of the risk. I can't blame parents for wanting to protect their youngsters, their anxieties made all the worse by TV sensationalism in dramas and police shows week after week.

God forbid that through such actions described, children are put in danger by having to walk unguarded to their schools.
You don't have to drive the kids to school you can walk with them and ensure they arrive safely. That's what we used to do.It's just laziness on the parents side if you ask me.
[quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: Truth is parents are worried that some predator will take their child. Parents feel that by dropping off near to the school gates eliminates most of the risk. I can't blame parents for wanting to protect their youngsters, their anxieties made all the worse by TV sensationalism in dramas and police shows week after week. God forbid that through such actions described, children are put in danger by having to walk unguarded to their schools.[/p][/quote]You don't have to drive the kids to school you can walk with them and ensure they arrive safely. That's what we used to do.It's just laziness on the parents side if you ask me. cas540
  • Score: 7

10:36pm Wed 5 Feb 14

JHardacre says...

cas540 wrote:
Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
Truth is parents are worried that some predator will take their child. Parents feel that by dropping off near to the school gates eliminates most of the risk. I can't blame parents for wanting to protect their youngsters, their anxieties made all the worse by TV sensationalism in dramas and police shows week after week.

God forbid that through such actions described, children are put in danger by having to walk unguarded to their schools.
You don't have to drive the kids to school you can walk with them and ensure they arrive safely. That's what we used to do.It's just laziness on the parents side if you ask me.
I think you are missing the point that many (most?) do not live within walking distance of school.
[quote][p][bold]cas540[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: Truth is parents are worried that some predator will take their child. Parents feel that by dropping off near to the school gates eliminates most of the risk. I can't blame parents for wanting to protect their youngsters, their anxieties made all the worse by TV sensationalism in dramas and police shows week after week. God forbid that through such actions described, children are put in danger by having to walk unguarded to their schools.[/p][/quote]You don't have to drive the kids to school you can walk with them and ensure they arrive safely. That's what we used to do.It's just laziness on the parents side if you ask me.[/p][/quote]I think you are missing the point that many (most?) do not live within walking distance of school. JHardacre
  • Score: -3

10:37pm Wed 5 Feb 14

JHardacre says...

York Urban wrote:
ColdAsChristmas wrote:
You have all missed the point! This is another scam to relieve the motorist of some more cash because our Council can and intend to.
You wouldn't travel to a supermarket to collect your shopping only to find there is no parking provision, so why should you expect parents and guardians living more than a mile away to not have such a provision when collecting a slightly more precious cargo?
Lendal Bridge, Police mobile speed camera's and now this. Big Brother is watching you and there is one thing in common: MONEY...your money!
Not my money, ColdasChristmas. I walk or cycle with my kids to school; we shop by bike and we also walk or cycle over Lendal bridge. It's much nicer that way.
Bully for you. After a medal?
[quote][p][bold]York Urban[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: You have all missed the point! This is another scam to relieve the motorist of some more cash because our Council can and intend to. You wouldn't travel to a supermarket to collect your shopping only to find there is no parking provision, so why should you expect parents and guardians living more than a mile away to not have such a provision when collecting a slightly more precious cargo? Lendal Bridge, Police mobile speed camera's and now this. Big Brother is watching you and there is one thing in common: MONEY...your money![/p][/quote]Not my money, ColdasChristmas. I walk or cycle with my kids to school; we shop by bike and we also walk or cycle over Lendal bridge. It's much nicer that way.[/p][/quote]Bully for you. After a medal? JHardacre
  • Score: 0

12:57am Thu 6 Feb 14

NoMorePlease says...

JHardacre wrote:
York Urban wrote:
ColdAsChristmas wrote:
You have all missed the point! This is another scam to relieve the motorist of some more cash because our Council can and intend to.
You wouldn't travel to a supermarket to collect your shopping only to find there is no parking provision, so why should you expect parents and guardians living more than a mile away to not have such a provision when collecting a slightly more precious cargo?
Lendal Bridge, Police mobile speed camera's and now this. Big Brother is watching you and there is one thing in common: MONEY...your money!
Not my money, ColdasChristmas. I walk or cycle with my kids to school; we shop by bike and we also walk or cycle over Lendal bridge. It's much nicer that way.
Bully for you. After a medal?
What a cheap comment.
[quote][p][bold]JHardacre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]York Urban[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: You have all missed the point! This is another scam to relieve the motorist of some more cash because our Council can and intend to. You wouldn't travel to a supermarket to collect your shopping only to find there is no parking provision, so why should you expect parents and guardians living more than a mile away to not have such a provision when collecting a slightly more precious cargo? Lendal Bridge, Police mobile speed camera's and now this. Big Brother is watching you and there is one thing in common: MONEY...your money![/p][/quote]Not my money, ColdasChristmas. I walk or cycle with my kids to school; we shop by bike and we also walk or cycle over Lendal bridge. It's much nicer that way.[/p][/quote]Bully for you. After a medal?[/p][/quote]What a cheap comment. NoMorePlease
  • Score: 0

8:04am Thu 6 Feb 14

pedalling paul says...

Too many car-dependant lifestyle decisions being made. Fuelled by the freedom to choose schools that are outside the catchment area of one 's residence. I would compel parents to send their offspring to the physically nearest school regardless of its reputation.
Too many car-dependant lifestyle decisions being made. Fuelled by the freedom to choose schools that are outside the catchment area of one 's residence. I would compel parents to send their offspring to the physically nearest school regardless of its reputation. pedalling paul
  • Score: 4

9:23am Thu 6 Feb 14

WixiBoy says...

one camera car is going to struggle to have any effect on these folk.
why not set uop a web-site, allow people to post pictures of illegal parking (anywhere) which the polis could then use to send out their fines.
good fun for all.
one camera car is going to struggle to have any effect on these folk. why not set uop a web-site, allow people to post pictures of illegal parking (anywhere) which the polis could then use to send out their fines. good fun for all. WixiBoy
  • Score: 5

9:24am Thu 6 Feb 14

courier46 says...

Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
courier46 wrote:
Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
Truth is parents are worried that some predator will take their child. Parents feel that by dropping off near to the school gates eliminates most of the risk. I can't blame parents for wanting to protect their youngsters, their anxieties made all the worse by TV sensationalism in dramas and police shows week after week.

God forbid that through such actions described, children are put in danger by having to walk unguarded to their schools.
Rubbish,we walk our grandchildren to school,it`s laziness not fear EXCUSES!
The flaw in this tack is that you're the Grandparents, not the parents. Different standpoint, different dynamics, different fears, different values, different era. It's good you're still fit enough though.
To Garrowby Turnoff -Fit enough you clever sh-ite were 53 not 103,and your right we do have different values -we have respect for people and are responsible for our own actions and don't blame other people,our fears are very real but put into context.As I`ve said before to the ones that park without causing problems for other people and have no choice other than a car journey I don't have a problem.
ps my wife goes boxing and I go to the gym and a brown belt in ju-jitsu so don't give anymore cr-p about "it`s good your fit enough"
[quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: Truth is parents are worried that some predator will take their child. Parents feel that by dropping off near to the school gates eliminates most of the risk. I can't blame parents for wanting to protect their youngsters, their anxieties made all the worse by TV sensationalism in dramas and police shows week after week. God forbid that through such actions described, children are put in danger by having to walk unguarded to their schools.[/p][/quote]Rubbish,we walk our grandchildren to school,it`s laziness not fear EXCUSES![/p][/quote]The flaw in this tack is that you're the Grandparents, not the parents. Different standpoint, different dynamics, different fears, different values, different era. It's good you're still fit enough though.[/p][/quote]To Garrowby Turnoff -Fit enough you clever sh-ite were 53 not 103,and your right we do have different values -we have respect for people and are responsible for our own actions and don't blame other people,our fears are very real but put into context.As I`ve said before to the ones that park without causing problems for other people and have no choice other than a car journey I don't have a problem. ps my wife goes boxing and I go to the gym and a brown belt in ju-jitsu so don't give anymore cr-p about "it`s good your fit enough" courier46
  • Score: 1

9:27am Thu 6 Feb 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

courier46 wrote:
To Archiebold the 1st,you`ve got a F@`@@@n mouth on you ain`t u, we are grandparents but not retired but do have time to walk yes walk to school somedays.My problem is not with working people who don't have time or with people who live too far away but the lazy ones who do have time to walk ,who don't live over a 500 yrds away and the ones who think it`s there right to park where they want.IE over peoples drives and blocking roads.
my point is how many school kids have their grand parents walk them to school. Its great you get to. But your view of charging people who park near a school as you can walk them isnt right. Also i very much doubt parents drive 500yards to drop kids off then back home again. You all seem to simply follow on from the stereotype of 4x4's etc. when it isn’t like that at all! Who even has 4x4’s in york! Try going to yarm about 8am then you would see traffic issues caused by the Chelsea tractors.

The council should find their shortfall elsewhere simple as.

I'd say living 50 yards from a school im in a good place to have a realistic view.
[quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: To Archiebold the 1st,you`ve got a F@`@@@n mouth on you ain`t u, we are grandparents but not retired but do have time to walk yes walk to school somedays.My problem is not with working people who don't have time or with people who live too far away but the lazy ones who do have time to walk ,who don't live over a 500 yrds away and the ones who think it`s there right to park where they want.IE over peoples drives and blocking roads.[/p][/quote]my point is how many school kids have their grand parents walk them to school. Its great you get to. But your view of charging people who park near a school as you can walk them isnt right. Also i very much doubt parents drive 500yards to drop kids off then back home again. You all seem to simply follow on from the stereotype of 4x4's etc. when it isn’t like that at all! Who even has 4x4’s in york! Try going to yarm about 8am then you would see traffic issues caused by the Chelsea tractors. The council should find their shortfall elsewhere simple as. I'd say living 50 yards from a school im in a good place to have a realistic view. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -2

10:31am Thu 6 Feb 14

Yorkresident1 says...

I would love to be able to walk or cycle to school and we used to, but our local school, Clifton with Rawcliffe (we live around the corner and it's the reason we bought the house) has proven not fit for purpose. Both children refused to go to school and have been traumatised by their experiences there- this school has severely damaged our children. They now (happily) attend schools outside of York so we have no option but to drive them, a 16 mile roundtrip each day . If I do get a fine for parking, I will send it straight to the headteacher at Clifton with Rawcliffe who is responsible for the situation.
I would love to be able to walk or cycle to school and we used to, but our local school, Clifton with Rawcliffe (we live around the corner and it's the reason we bought the house) has proven not fit for purpose. Both children refused to go to school and have been traumatised by their experiences there- this school has severely damaged our children. They now (happily) attend schools outside of York so we have no option but to drive them, a 16 mile roundtrip each day . If I do get a fine for parking, I will send it straight to the headteacher at Clifton with Rawcliffe who is responsible for the situation. Yorkresident1
  • Score: -3

10:52am Thu 6 Feb 14

courier46 says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
courier46 wrote:
To Archiebold the 1st,you`ve got a F@`@@@n mouth on you ain`t u, we are grandparents but not retired but do have time to walk yes walk to school somedays.My problem is not with working people who don't have time or with people who live too far away but the lazy ones who do have time to walk ,who don't live over a 500 yrds away and the ones who think it`s there right to park where they want.IE over peoples drives and blocking roads.
my point is how many school kids have their grand parents walk them to school. Its great you get to. But your view of charging people who park near a school as you can walk them isnt right. Also i very much doubt parents drive 500yards to drop kids off then back home again. You all seem to simply follow on from the stereotype of 4x4's etc. when it isn’t like that at all! Who even has 4x4’s in york! Try going to yarm about 8am then you would see traffic issues caused by the Chelsea tractors.

The council should find their shortfall elsewhere simple as.

I'd say living 50 yards from a school im in a good place to have a realistic view.
Fit enough you clever sh-ite were 53 not 103,and your right we do have different values -we have respect for people and are responsible for our own actions and don't blame other people,our fears are very real but put into context.As I`ve said before to the ones that park without causing problems for other people and have no choice other than a car journey I don't have a problem.
ps my wife goes boxing and I go to the gym and a brown belt in ju-jitsu so don't give anymore cr-p about "it`s good your fit enough"
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: To Archiebold the 1st,you`ve got a F@`@@@n mouth on you ain`t u, we are grandparents but not retired but do have time to walk yes walk to school somedays.My problem is not with working people who don't have time or with people who live too far away but the lazy ones who do have time to walk ,who don't live over a 500 yrds away and the ones who think it`s there right to park where they want.IE over peoples drives and blocking roads.[/p][/quote]my point is how many school kids have their grand parents walk them to school. Its great you get to. But your view of charging people who park near a school as you can walk them isnt right. Also i very much doubt parents drive 500yards to drop kids off then back home again. You all seem to simply follow on from the stereotype of 4x4's etc. when it isn’t like that at all! Who even has 4x4’s in york! Try going to yarm about 8am then you would see traffic issues caused by the Chelsea tractors. The council should find their shortfall elsewhere simple as. I'd say living 50 yards from a school im in a good place to have a realistic view.[/p][/quote]Fit enough you clever sh-ite were 53 not 103,and your right we do have different values -we have respect for people and are responsible for our own actions and don't blame other people,our fears are very real but put into context.As I`ve said before to the ones that park without causing problems for other people and have no choice other than a car journey I don't have a problem. ps my wife goes boxing and I go to the gym and a brown belt in ju-jitsu so don't give anymore cr-p about "it`s good your fit enough" courier46
  • Score: 0

11:05am Thu 6 Feb 14

courier46 says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
courier46 wrote:
To Archiebold the 1st,you`ve got a F@`@@@n mouth on you ain`t u, we are grandparents but not retired but do have time to walk yes walk to school somedays.My problem is not with working people who don't have time or with people who live too far away but the lazy ones who do have time to walk ,who don't live over a 500 yrds away and the ones who think it`s there right to park where they want.IE over peoples drives and blocking roads.
my point is how many school kids have their grand parents walk them to school. Its great you get to. But your view of charging people who park near a school as you can walk them isnt right. Also i very much doubt parents drive 500yards to drop kids off then back home again. You all seem to simply follow on from the stereotype of 4x4's etc. when it isn’t like that at all! Who even has 4x4’s in york! Try going to yarm about 8am then you would see traffic issues caused by the Chelsea tractors.

The council should find their shortfall elsewhere simple as.

I'd say living 50 yards from a school im in a good place to have a realistic view.
Are you a councillor because you don't listen,the problem is people who park over drives and block roads by dumping ther cars (parking) if you have to drive then you have to drive but don't park to obstruct .you bring up 4x4`s not me! I am talking about fiestas,transits,zaf
iras "normal" peoples cars.What has us been grandparents got to do with it?,if you have time and a reasonable distance away why cant you walk?.
There has to be a detterent,that`s why this country is in a state because of our lack of them.
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: To Archiebold the 1st,you`ve got a F@`@@@n mouth on you ain`t u, we are grandparents but not retired but do have time to walk yes walk to school somedays.My problem is not with working people who don't have time or with people who live too far away but the lazy ones who do have time to walk ,who don't live over a 500 yrds away and the ones who think it`s there right to park where they want.IE over peoples drives and blocking roads.[/p][/quote]my point is how many school kids have their grand parents walk them to school. Its great you get to. But your view of charging people who park near a school as you can walk them isnt right. Also i very much doubt parents drive 500yards to drop kids off then back home again. You all seem to simply follow on from the stereotype of 4x4's etc. when it isn’t like that at all! Who even has 4x4’s in york! Try going to yarm about 8am then you would see traffic issues caused by the Chelsea tractors. The council should find their shortfall elsewhere simple as. I'd say living 50 yards from a school im in a good place to have a realistic view.[/p][/quote]Are you a councillor because you don't listen,the problem is people who park over drives and block roads by dumping ther cars (parking) if you have to drive then you have to drive but don't park to obstruct .you bring up 4x4`s not me! I am talking about fiestas,transits,zaf iras "normal" peoples cars.What has us been grandparents got to do with it?,if you have time and a reasonable distance away why cant you walk?. There has to be a detterent,that`s why this country is in a state because of our lack of them. courier46
  • Score: 4

11:28am Thu 6 Feb 14

the original Homer says...

Yorkresident1 wrote:
I would love to be able to walk or cycle to school and we used to, but our local school, Clifton with Rawcliffe (we live around the corner and it's the reason we bought the house) has proven not fit for purpose. Both children refused to go to school and have been traumatised by their experiences there- this school has severely damaged our children. They now (happily) attend schools outside of York so we have no option but to drive them, a 16 mile roundtrip each day . If I do get a fine for parking, I will send it straight to the headteacher at Clifton with Rawcliffe who is responsible for the situation.
How refreshing to see someone trying to buck the system and losing out.

Maybe your experience will make others think twice about buyig a house just to get into a catchment area for a particular school.

State schools will never all be equal and you have found that picking and choosing is not always easy. Having tried the house move, you've now had to take on a 16 mile round trip, just to get a school that meets your personal definition of fit for purpose.

If you are so fussy about schools you should either go private or just simply accept the journey and shut up.

You are part of the cause of the parking issues, by deliberately choosing a school that needs a car journey. If that means you can't park properly and you get a fine then that's your problem, not the headteacher of a school you don't like. Either park better, or take the fines.

I hope you aren't bringing your children up to have an attitude like yours about somebody else being responsible for your actions, but I suspect you are, and maybe that's why your children ddin't fit in.
[quote][p][bold]Yorkresident1[/bold] wrote: I would love to be able to walk or cycle to school and we used to, but our local school, Clifton with Rawcliffe (we live around the corner and it's the reason we bought the house) has proven not fit for purpose. Both children refused to go to school and have been traumatised by their experiences there- this school has severely damaged our children. They now (happily) attend schools outside of York so we have no option but to drive them, a 16 mile roundtrip each day . If I do get a fine for parking, I will send it straight to the headteacher at Clifton with Rawcliffe who is responsible for the situation.[/p][/quote]How refreshing to see someone trying to buck the system and losing out. Maybe your experience will make others think twice about buyig a house just to get into a catchment area for a particular school. State schools will never all be equal and you have found that picking and choosing is not always easy. Having tried the house move, you've now had to take on a 16 mile round trip, just to get a school that meets your personal definition of fit for purpose. If you are so fussy about schools you should either go private or just simply accept the journey and shut up. You are part of the cause of the parking issues, by deliberately choosing a school that needs a car journey. If that means you can't park properly and you get a fine then that's your problem, not the headteacher of a school you don't like. Either park better, or take the fines. I hope you aren't bringing your children up to have an attitude like yours about somebody else being responsible for your actions, but I suspect you are, and maybe that's why your children ddin't fit in. the original Homer
  • Score: 6

11:33am Thu 6 Feb 14

DanielKhaine says...

fixedfanatic wrote:
DanielKhaine wrote:
So my kids Primary School is 3 miles away crosses 2 very busy roads (Malton Road and Stockton Lane), shall I get them to walk?

All those people whining about parents finally getting what for, get a life. I agree some do park stupidly but for those of us who have to drop kids off, then get to work, walking / cycling / getting the bus isn't an option.

Try not to be so stereotypical and actually look at who causes the problem instead of jumping on the "They are all in the wrong" band wagon.
How about you get them in a school nearer to home, the push to get children into certain schools adds to the problem.
Not a point of getting them into a certain School. They started there, we moved and there were no places in the School nearer. Plus all their friends are there and they are well established in the School.

Dont you think if we could make life easier for ourselves we would?
[quote][p][bold]fixedfanatic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DanielKhaine[/bold] wrote: So my kids Primary School is 3 miles away crosses 2 very busy roads (Malton Road and Stockton Lane), shall I get them to walk? All those people whining about parents finally getting what for, get a life. I agree some do park stupidly but for those of us who have to drop kids off, then get to work, walking / cycling / getting the bus isn't an option. Try not to be so stereotypical and actually look at who causes the problem instead of jumping on the "They are all in the wrong" band wagon.[/p][/quote]How about you get them in a school nearer to home, the push to get children into certain schools adds to the problem.[/p][/quote]Not a point of getting them into a certain School. They started there, we moved and there were no places in the School nearer. Plus all their friends are there and they are well established in the School. Dont you think if we could make life easier for ourselves we would? DanielKhaine
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11:58am Thu 6 Feb 14

Yorkresident1 says...

the original Homer wrote:
Yorkresident1 wrote:
I would love to be able to walk or cycle to school and we used to, but our local school, Clifton with Rawcliffe (we live around the corner and it's the reason we bought the house) has proven not fit for purpose. Both children refused to go to school and have been traumatised by their experiences there- this school has severely damaged our children. They now (happily) attend schools outside of York so we have no option but to drive them, a 16 mile roundtrip each day . If I do get a fine for parking, I will send it straight to the headteacher at Clifton with Rawcliffe who is responsible for the situation.
How refreshing to see someone trying to buck the system and losing out.

Maybe your experience will make others think twice about buyig a house just to get into a catchment area for a particular school.

State schools will never all be equal and you have found that picking and choosing is not always easy. Having tried the house move, you've now had to take on a 16 mile round trip, just to get a school that meets your personal definition of fit for purpose.

If you are so fussy about schools you should either go private or just simply accept the journey and shut up.

You are part of the cause of the parking issues, by deliberately choosing a school that needs a car journey. If that means you can't park properly and you get a fine then that's your problem, not the headteacher of a school you don't like. Either park better, or take the fines.

I hope you aren't bringing your children up to have an attitude like yours about somebody else being responsible for your actions, but I suspect you are, and maybe that's why your children ddin't fit in.
We didn't buy a house to get into he catchment area- they were already at the school. We wanted to live nearby so they could walk or cycle to school. If you know anything about Clifton with Rawcliffe you wouldn't post a comment like this, it is . It is now a terrible place and we were not the only ones who left- 35 children left in the academic year 2012/2013 (information obtained from the council under the FOI act). We are not 'fussy' about schools, We simply want a school that doesn't make children suicidal, which Clifton with Rawcliffe did for them. The schools they are at now treat them with respect- as they do all their other pupils quite a few of whom also previously attended Clifton with Rawcliffe but whose parents found it not fit for purpose. It has absolutely nothing to do with not 'fitting in'.
I suggest you keep your ignorant and ill informed views to yourself - you obviously do not have children and do not understand anything about schools or Clifton with Rawcliffe. I hope you get a fine yourself- any fine would be good but a large one would be best. I am unlikely to get one because I always park well away from the school and walk the rest of the way, ha!! Take that 'Original homer'
[quote][p][bold]the original Homer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkresident1[/bold] wrote: I would love to be able to walk or cycle to school and we used to, but our local school, Clifton with Rawcliffe (we live around the corner and it's the reason we bought the house) has proven not fit for purpose. Both children refused to go to school and have been traumatised by their experiences there- this school has severely damaged our children. They now (happily) attend schools outside of York so we have no option but to drive them, a 16 mile roundtrip each day . If I do get a fine for parking, I will send it straight to the headteacher at Clifton with Rawcliffe who is responsible for the situation.[/p][/quote]How refreshing to see someone trying to buck the system and losing out. Maybe your experience will make others think twice about buyig a house just to get into a catchment area for a particular school. State schools will never all be equal and you have found that picking and choosing is not always easy. Having tried the house move, you've now had to take on a 16 mile round trip, just to get a school that meets your personal definition of fit for purpose. If you are so fussy about schools you should either go private or just simply accept the journey and shut up. You are part of the cause of the parking issues, by deliberately choosing a school that needs a car journey. If that means you can't park properly and you get a fine then that's your problem, not the headteacher of a school you don't like. Either park better, or take the fines. I hope you aren't bringing your children up to have an attitude like yours about somebody else being responsible for your actions, but I suspect you are, and maybe that's why your children ddin't fit in.[/p][/quote]We didn't buy a house to get into he catchment area- they were already at the school. We wanted to live nearby so they could walk or cycle to school. If you know anything about Clifton with Rawcliffe you wouldn't post a comment like this, it is . It is now a terrible place and we were not the only ones who left- 35 children left in the academic year 2012/2013 (information obtained from the council under the FOI act). We are not 'fussy' about schools, We simply want a school that doesn't make children suicidal, which Clifton with Rawcliffe did for them. The schools they are at now treat them with respect- as they do all their other pupils quite a few of whom also previously attended Clifton with Rawcliffe but whose parents found it not fit for purpose. It has absolutely nothing to do with not 'fitting in'. I suggest you keep your ignorant and ill informed views to yourself - you obviously do not have children and do not understand anything about schools or Clifton with Rawcliffe. I hope you get a fine yourself- any fine would be good but a large one would be best. I am unlikely to get one because I always park well away from the school and walk the rest of the way, ha!! Take that 'Original homer' Yorkresident1
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12:04pm Thu 6 Feb 14

courier46 says...

Yorkresident1 wrote:
the original Homer wrote:
Yorkresident1 wrote:
I would love to be able to walk or cycle to school and we used to, but our local school, Clifton with Rawcliffe (we live around the corner and it's the reason we bought the house) has proven not fit for purpose. Both children refused to go to school and have been traumatised by their experiences there- this school has severely damaged our children. They now (happily) attend schools outside of York so we have no option but to drive them, a 16 mile roundtrip each day . If I do get a fine for parking, I will send it straight to the headteacher at Clifton with Rawcliffe who is responsible for the situation.
How refreshing to see someone trying to buck the system and losing out.

Maybe your experience will make others think twice about buyig a house just to get into a catchment area for a particular school.

State schools will never all be equal and you have found that picking and choosing is not always easy. Having tried the house move, you've now had to take on a 16 mile round trip, just to get a school that meets your personal definition of fit for purpose.

If you are so fussy about schools you should either go private or just simply accept the journey and shut up.

You are part of the cause of the parking issues, by deliberately choosing a school that needs a car journey. If that means you can't park properly and you get a fine then that's your problem, not the headteacher of a school you don't like. Either park better, or take the fines.

I hope you aren't bringing your children up to have an attitude like yours about somebody else being responsible for your actions, but I suspect you are, and maybe that's why your children ddin't fit in.
We didn't buy a house to get into he catchment area- they were already at the school. We wanted to live nearby so they could walk or cycle to school. If you know anything about Clifton with Rawcliffe you wouldn't post a comment like this, it is . It is now a terrible place and we were not the only ones who left- 35 children left in the academic year 2012/2013 (information obtained from the council under the FOI act). We are not 'fussy' about schools, We simply want a school that doesn't make children suicidal, which Clifton with Rawcliffe did for them. The schools they are at now treat them with respect- as they do all their other pupils quite a few of whom also previously attended Clifton with Rawcliffe but whose parents found it not fit for purpose. It has absolutely nothing to do with not 'fitting in'.
I suggest you keep your ignorant and ill informed views to yourself - you obviously do not have children and do not understand anything about schools or Clifton with Rawcliffe. I hope you get a fine yourself- any fine would be good but a large one would be best. I am unlikely to get one because I always park well away from the school and walk the rest of the way, ha!! Take that 'Original homer'
Just been nosey,why is it such a terrible place is it the pupils that are there or the staff?
[quote][p][bold]Yorkresident1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the original Homer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkresident1[/bold] wrote: I would love to be able to walk or cycle to school and we used to, but our local school, Clifton with Rawcliffe (we live around the corner and it's the reason we bought the house) has proven not fit for purpose. Both children refused to go to school and have been traumatised by their experiences there- this school has severely damaged our children. They now (happily) attend schools outside of York so we have no option but to drive them, a 16 mile roundtrip each day . If I do get a fine for parking, I will send it straight to the headteacher at Clifton with Rawcliffe who is responsible for the situation.[/p][/quote]How refreshing to see someone trying to buck the system and losing out. Maybe your experience will make others think twice about buyig a house just to get into a catchment area for a particular school. State schools will never all be equal and you have found that picking and choosing is not always easy. Having tried the house move, you've now had to take on a 16 mile round trip, just to get a school that meets your personal definition of fit for purpose. If you are so fussy about schools you should either go private or just simply accept the journey and shut up. You are part of the cause of the parking issues, by deliberately choosing a school that needs a car journey. If that means you can't park properly and you get a fine then that's your problem, not the headteacher of a school you don't like. Either park better, or take the fines. I hope you aren't bringing your children up to have an attitude like yours about somebody else being responsible for your actions, but I suspect you are, and maybe that's why your children ddin't fit in.[/p][/quote]We didn't buy a house to get into he catchment area- they were already at the school. We wanted to live nearby so they could walk or cycle to school. If you know anything about Clifton with Rawcliffe you wouldn't post a comment like this, it is . It is now a terrible place and we were not the only ones who left- 35 children left in the academic year 2012/2013 (information obtained from the council under the FOI act). We are not 'fussy' about schools, We simply want a school that doesn't make children suicidal, which Clifton with Rawcliffe did for them. The schools they are at now treat them with respect- as they do all their other pupils quite a few of whom also previously attended Clifton with Rawcliffe but whose parents found it not fit for purpose. It has absolutely nothing to do with not 'fitting in'. I suggest you keep your ignorant and ill informed views to yourself - you obviously do not have children and do not understand anything about schools or Clifton with Rawcliffe. I hope you get a fine yourself- any fine would be good but a large one would be best. I am unlikely to get one because I always park well away from the school and walk the rest of the way, ha!! Take that 'Original homer'[/p][/quote]Just been nosey,why is it such a terrible place is it the pupils that are there or the staff? courier46
  • Score: 1

12:06pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

courier46 wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
courier46 wrote: To Archiebold the 1st,you`ve got a F@`@@@n mouth on you ain`t u, we are grandparents but not retired but do have time to walk yes walk to school somedays.My problem is not with working people who don't have time or with people who live too far away but the lazy ones who do have time to walk ,who don't live over a 500 yrds away and the ones who think it`s there right to park where they want.IE over peoples drives and blocking roads.
my point is how many school kids have their grand parents walk them to school. Its great you get to. But your view of charging people who park near a school as you can walk them isnt right. Also i very much doubt parents drive 500yards to drop kids off then back home again. You all seem to simply follow on from the stereotype of 4x4's etc. when it isn’t like that at all! Who even has 4x4’s in york! Try going to yarm about 8am then you would see traffic issues caused by the Chelsea tractors. The council should find their shortfall elsewhere simple as. I'd say living 50 yards from a school im in a good place to have a realistic view.
Fit enough you clever sh-ite were 53 not 103,and your right we do have different values -we have respect for people and are responsible for our own actions and don't blame other people,our fears are very real but put into context.As I`ve said before to the ones that park without causing problems for other people and have no choice other than a car journey I don't have a problem. ps my wife goes boxing and I go to the gym and a brown belt in ju-jitsu so don't give anymore cr-p about "it`s good your fit enough"
i never said anything about your fitness? glad you work out but that has no relevance to anything ive said.
[quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: To Archiebold the 1st,you`ve got a F@`@@@n mouth on you ain`t u, we are grandparents but not retired but do have time to walk yes walk to school somedays.My problem is not with working people who don't have time or with people who live too far away but the lazy ones who do have time to walk ,who don't live over a 500 yrds away and the ones who think it`s there right to park where they want.IE over peoples drives and blocking roads.[/p][/quote]my point is how many school kids have their grand parents walk them to school. Its great you get to. But your view of charging people who park near a school as you can walk them isnt right. Also i very much doubt parents drive 500yards to drop kids off then back home again. You all seem to simply follow on from the stereotype of 4x4's etc. when it isn’t like that at all! Who even has 4x4’s in york! Try going to yarm about 8am then you would see traffic issues caused by the Chelsea tractors. The council should find their shortfall elsewhere simple as. I'd say living 50 yards from a school im in a good place to have a realistic view.[/p][/quote]Fit enough you clever sh-ite were 53 not 103,and your right we do have different values -we have respect for people and are responsible for our own actions and don't blame other people,our fears are very real but put into context.As I`ve said before to the ones that park without causing problems for other people and have no choice other than a car journey I don't have a problem. ps my wife goes boxing and I go to the gym and a brown belt in ju-jitsu so don't give anymore cr-p about "it`s good your fit enough"[/p][/quote]i never said anything about your fitness? glad you work out but that has no relevance to anything ive said. Archiebold the 1st
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12:08pm Thu 6 Feb 14

courier46 says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
courier46 wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
courier46 wrote: To Archiebold the 1st,you`ve got a F@`@@@n mouth on you ain`t u, we are grandparents but not retired but do have time to walk yes walk to school somedays.My problem is not with working people who don't have time or with people who live too far away but the lazy ones who do have time to walk ,who don't live over a 500 yrds away and the ones who think it`s there right to park where they want.IE over peoples drives and blocking roads.
my point is how many school kids have their grand parents walk them to school. Its great you get to. But your view of charging people who park near a school as you can walk them isnt right. Also i very much doubt parents drive 500yards to drop kids off then back home again. You all seem to simply follow on from the stereotype of 4x4's etc. when it isn’t like that at all! Who even has 4x4’s in york! Try going to yarm about 8am then you would see traffic issues caused by the Chelsea tractors. The council should find their shortfall elsewhere simple as. I'd say living 50 yards from a school im in a good place to have a realistic view.
Fit enough you clever sh-ite were 53 not 103,and your right we do have different values -we have respect for people and are responsible for our own actions and don't blame other people,our fears are very real but put into context.As I`ve said before to the ones that park without causing problems for other people and have no choice other than a car journey I don't have a problem. ps my wife goes boxing and I go to the gym and a brown belt in ju-jitsu so don't give anymore cr-p about "it`s good your fit enough"
i never said anything about your fitness? glad you work out but that has no relevance to anything ive said.
Yeah,my fault posted on wrong thread.
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: To Archiebold the 1st,you`ve got a F@`@@@n mouth on you ain`t u, we are grandparents but not retired but do have time to walk yes walk to school somedays.My problem is not with working people who don't have time or with people who live too far away but the lazy ones who do have time to walk ,who don't live over a 500 yrds away and the ones who think it`s there right to park where they want.IE over peoples drives and blocking roads.[/p][/quote]my point is how many school kids have their grand parents walk them to school. Its great you get to. But your view of charging people who park near a school as you can walk them isnt right. Also i very much doubt parents drive 500yards to drop kids off then back home again. You all seem to simply follow on from the stereotype of 4x4's etc. when it isn’t like that at all! Who even has 4x4’s in york! Try going to yarm about 8am then you would see traffic issues caused by the Chelsea tractors. The council should find their shortfall elsewhere simple as. I'd say living 50 yards from a school im in a good place to have a realistic view.[/p][/quote]Fit enough you clever sh-ite were 53 not 103,and your right we do have different values -we have respect for people and are responsible for our own actions and don't blame other people,our fears are very real but put into context.As I`ve said before to the ones that park without causing problems for other people and have no choice other than a car journey I don't have a problem. ps my wife goes boxing and I go to the gym and a brown belt in ju-jitsu so don't give anymore cr-p about "it`s good your fit enough"[/p][/quote]i never said anything about your fitness? glad you work out but that has no relevance to anything ive said.[/p][/quote]Yeah,my fault posted on wrong thread. courier46
  • Score: 1

12:18pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

courier46 wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
courier46 wrote: To Archiebold the 1st,you`ve got a F@`@@@n mouth on you ain`t u, we are grandparents but not retired but do have time to walk yes walk to school somedays.My problem is not with working people who don't have time or with people who live too far away but the lazy ones who do have time to walk ,who don't live over a 500 yrds away and the ones who think it`s there right to park where they want.IE over peoples drives and blocking roads.
my point is how many school kids have their grand parents walk them to school. Its great you get to. But your view of charging people who park near a school as you can walk them isnt right. Also i very much doubt parents drive 500yards to drop kids off then back home again. You all seem to simply follow on from the stereotype of 4x4's etc. when it isn’t like that at all! Who even has 4x4’s in york! Try going to yarm about 8am then you would see traffic issues caused by the Chelsea tractors. The council should find their shortfall elsewhere simple as. I'd say living 50 yards from a school im in a good place to have a realistic view.
Are you a councillor because you don't listen,the problem is people who park over drives and block roads by dumping ther cars (parking) if you have to drive then you have to drive but don't park to obstruct .you bring up 4x4`s not me! I am talking about fiestas,transits,zaf iras "normal" peoples cars.What has us been grandparents got to do with it?,if you have time and a reasonable distance away why cant you walk?. There has to be a detterent,that`s why this country is in a state because of our lack of them.
No but i hate it when people group petty issues that do not exist or they have seen once to punish others. Face it 1) you have not seen anyone do a school run for 500 yards. 2) If you weren’t around your son/daughter would be doing the same 3) no one blocks drives on a daily basis! 4) there is already a law for blocking drives which carries a punishment 5) they are gone for like 2 mins. I get delayed 2 mins everyday from other areas.

There is no issue here! yeh traffic is bad welcome to york! You all choose where you live! So don’t move next to a sewage pipe and complain about the smell.

Can anyone on here seriously suggest why there should be a £70 for dropping kids off on a double yellow? Or show me proof that 80 drives are being blocked per day causing £70 worth of delay?

Am I a councillor? Are you on drugs? I’m the one saying don’t line their pockets with a £70 for something parents have a right to do! (have piece of mind for their childs safety!) You don’t seem to clock on that they need to raise extra revenue so are going after the easiest targets.
[quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: To Archiebold the 1st,you`ve got a F@`@@@n mouth on you ain`t u, we are grandparents but not retired but do have time to walk yes walk to school somedays.My problem is not with working people who don't have time or with people who live too far away but the lazy ones who do have time to walk ,who don't live over a 500 yrds away and the ones who think it`s there right to park where they want.IE over peoples drives and blocking roads.[/p][/quote]my point is how many school kids have their grand parents walk them to school. Its great you get to. But your view of charging people who park near a school as you can walk them isnt right. Also i very much doubt parents drive 500yards to drop kids off then back home again. You all seem to simply follow on from the stereotype of 4x4's etc. when it isn’t like that at all! Who even has 4x4’s in york! Try going to yarm about 8am then you would see traffic issues caused by the Chelsea tractors. The council should find their shortfall elsewhere simple as. I'd say living 50 yards from a school im in a good place to have a realistic view.[/p][/quote]Are you a councillor because you don't listen,the problem is people who park over drives and block roads by dumping ther cars (parking) if you have to drive then you have to drive but don't park to obstruct .you bring up 4x4`s not me! I am talking about fiestas,transits,zaf iras "normal" peoples cars.What has us been grandparents got to do with it?,if you have time and a reasonable distance away why cant you walk?. There has to be a detterent,that`s why this country is in a state because of our lack of them.[/p][/quote]No but i hate it when people group petty issues that do not exist or they have seen once to punish others. Face it 1) you have not seen anyone do a school run for 500 yards. 2) If you weren’t around your son/daughter would be doing the same 3) no one blocks drives on a daily basis! 4) there is already a law for blocking drives which carries a punishment 5) they are gone for like 2 mins. I get delayed 2 mins everyday from other areas. There is no issue here! yeh traffic is bad welcome to york! You all choose where you live! So don’t move next to a sewage pipe and complain about the smell. Can anyone on here seriously suggest why there should be a £70 for dropping kids off on a double yellow? Or show me proof that 80 drives are being blocked per day causing £70 worth of delay? Am I a councillor? Are you on drugs? I’m the one saying don’t line their pockets with a £70 for something parents have a right to do! (have piece of mind for their childs safety!) You don’t seem to clock on that they need to raise extra revenue so are going after the easiest targets. Archiebold the 1st
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2:27pm Thu 6 Feb 14

sounds weird but says...

Yeller Belly wrote:
sounds weird but wrote:
Yeller Belly wrote:
mr-grumpy wrote: How on earth the planning was granted for the redevelopment of English Martyrs on Hamilton Drive. They merged 2 schools and made zero concessions for traffic management and parking which was already an issue before the increase in capacity. Now the residents of Hamilton Drive and surrounding streets get their driveways blocked parking on the verges. The poor bus tries to get through but can't due to the road been a single lane created by all the parked cars and nobody is prepared to give way. You seen see cars using the grass verge as an extension of the road. I've personally reported the number plates of parents doing this to the school but never get any response. I've also seen on numerous occasions parents opening doors into the path of cyclists which are forced into narrow gaps because drivers think it is acceptable to pass a cyclist with only a few inches gap. Zero enforcement is shown for any of the rules of the road and I've never ever seen a police or community officer around the school at this time of day, I think they don't won't the work too much like effort to do the job. No enforcement of restrictions
I walk this route every day with my son, and although it's undoubtedly busy, you make it sound like the first 30 minutes of Saving Private Ryan. Not everyone lives within a mile of the school. It has a large catchment area. Cycling and walking is not feasible for everyone especially when both parents are working and under pressure to get to work on time. Having said that, I'm all in favour of a park and stride scheme and suggest this would be the way forward for all concerned. But where to park..?
Some people here are saying they need to drive thier children in so they can get on to work and dont have time to walk. Well what about everyone else..THEY just want to get on too and are being slowed down by the drivers parking all over the place!
As I said, I walk. Just me giving up my car isn't going to solve the problem though is it? Hence my comments and suggestions. Alternatively, I could just USE CAPITAL LETTERS ON THE INTERNET.
I do walk and still encounter the same issues; my driveway blocked, cars parking and turning around/reversing all over the place so I find it hard to cross the road safely.

Some cars park right on the very corner or a raoad so stops other cars coming out safely. cars parked fully on the rad both sides so buses cant get through. some cars parked across a drive or grass verge so people can walk through etc etc

To think just by you doing this wont solve the problem, you are right. thats why people need to be directed by means of a fine I guess.
[quote][p][bold]Yeller Belly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sounds weird but[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yeller Belly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr-grumpy[/bold] wrote: How on earth the planning was granted for the redevelopment of English Martyrs on Hamilton Drive. They merged 2 schools and made zero concessions for traffic management and parking which was already an issue before the increase in capacity. Now the residents of Hamilton Drive and surrounding streets get their driveways blocked parking on the verges. The poor bus tries to get through but can't due to the road been a single lane created by all the parked cars and nobody is prepared to give way. You seen see cars using the grass verge as an extension of the road. I've personally reported the number plates of parents doing this to the school but never get any response. I've also seen on numerous occasions parents opening doors into the path of cyclists which are forced into narrow gaps because drivers think it is acceptable to pass a cyclist with only a few inches gap. Zero enforcement is shown for any of the rules of the road and I've never ever seen a police or community officer around the school at this time of day, I think they don't won't the work too much like effort to do the job. No enforcement of restrictions[/p][/quote]I walk this route every day with my son, and although it's undoubtedly busy, you make it sound like the first 30 minutes of Saving Private Ryan. Not everyone lives within a mile of the school. It has a large catchment area. Cycling and walking is not feasible for everyone especially when both parents are working and under pressure to get to work on time. Having said that, I'm all in favour of a park and stride scheme and suggest this would be the way forward for all concerned. But where to park..?[/p][/quote]Some people here are saying they need to drive thier children in so they can get on to work and dont have time to walk. Well what about everyone else..THEY just want to get on too and are being slowed down by the drivers parking all over the place![/p][/quote]As I said, I walk. Just me giving up my car isn't going to solve the problem though is it? Hence my comments and suggestions. Alternatively, I could just USE CAPITAL LETTERS ON THE INTERNET.[/p][/quote]I do walk and still encounter the same issues; my driveway blocked, cars parking and turning around/reversing all over the place so I find it hard to cross the road safely. Some cars park right on the very corner or a raoad so stops other cars coming out safely. cars parked fully on the rad both sides so buses cant get through. some cars parked across a drive or grass verge so people can walk through etc etc To think just by you doing this wont solve the problem, you are right. thats why people need to be directed by means of a fine I guess. sounds weird but
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2:54pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Yorkresident1 says...

courier46 wrote:
Yorkresident1 wrote:
the original Homer wrote:
Yorkresident1 wrote:
I would love to be able to walk or cycle to school and we used to, but our local school, Clifton with Rawcliffe (we live around the corner and it's the reason we bought the house) has proven not fit for purpose. Both children refused to go to school and have been traumatised by their experiences there- this school has severely damaged our children. They now (happily) attend schools outside of York so we have no option but to drive them, a 16 mile roundtrip each day . If I do get a fine for parking, I will send it straight to the headteacher at Clifton with Rawcliffe who is responsible for the situation.
How refreshing to see someone trying to buck the system and losing out.

Maybe your experience will make others think twice about buyig a house just to get into a catchment area for a particular school.

State schools will never all be equal and you have found that picking and choosing is not always easy. Having tried the house move, you've now had to take on a 16 mile round trip, just to get a school that meets your personal definition of fit for purpose.

If you are so fussy about schools you should either go private or just simply accept the journey and shut up.

You are part of the cause of the parking issues, by deliberately choosing a school that needs a car journey. If that means you can't park properly and you get a fine then that's your problem, not the headteacher of a school you don't like. Either park better, or take the fines.

I hope you aren't bringing your children up to have an attitude like yours about somebody else being responsible for your actions, but I suspect you are, and maybe that's why your children ddin't fit in.
We didn't buy a house to get into he catchment area- they were already at the school. We wanted to live nearby so they could walk or cycle to school. If you know anything about Clifton with Rawcliffe you wouldn't post a comment like this, it is . It is now a terrible place and we were not the only ones who left- 35 children left in the academic year 2012/2013 (information obtained from the council under the FOI act). We are not 'fussy' about schools, We simply want a school that doesn't make children suicidal, which Clifton with Rawcliffe did for them. The schools they are at now treat them with respect- as they do all their other pupils quite a few of whom also previously attended Clifton with Rawcliffe but whose parents found it not fit for purpose. It has absolutely nothing to do with not 'fitting in'.
I suggest you keep your ignorant and ill informed views to yourself - you obviously do not have children and do not understand anything about schools or Clifton with Rawcliffe. I hope you get a fine yourself- any fine would be good but a large one would be best. I am unlikely to get one because I always park well away from the school and walk the rest of the way, ha!! Take that 'Original homer'
Just been nosey,why is it such a terrible place is it the pupils that are there or the staff?
Good question! Before the new build, the school consisted of 2 sites, an infant and a junior site which diluted the influence of the headteacher. After they merged the 2 sites into a huge new factory type building, things went rapidly downhill and it was at this point my children (and lots of other children too) started to feel really unhappy. Not only are they now cramming nearly 500 children into one relatively small building, they have also introduced 'open plan teaching'- upto 180 children in one space. It is very noisy, very impersonal, and the atmosphere really changed . It is based on fear, intimidation and many petty rules. Lots of good teachers left, then followed lots of supply teachers, some of whom also left quickly. It was all very unsettling and as parents you were never told anything. My son had many days of not even having an allocated teacher, just a TA who 'kept an eye on things'. My daughter called it 'a big torture centre full of idiots who tell you foolish and boring things'. Moving schools was a very hard decision ( we took a lot of time )- they had lots of friends at school, who they miss, and we live so close, but it has been the best decision we have ever taken. I am still very angry at what happened, which is why I am posting these comments. But they are happy now- and I don't mind driving them out of town but I do mind having been robbed of the option for them to goto their local school- and walking and cycling there by themselves with their friends.
[quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkresident1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the original Homer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkresident1[/bold] wrote: I would love to be able to walk or cycle to school and we used to, but our local school, Clifton with Rawcliffe (we live around the corner and it's the reason we bought the house) has proven not fit for purpose. Both children refused to go to school and have been traumatised by their experiences there- this school has severely damaged our children. They now (happily) attend schools outside of York so we have no option but to drive them, a 16 mile roundtrip each day . If I do get a fine for parking, I will send it straight to the headteacher at Clifton with Rawcliffe who is responsible for the situation.[/p][/quote]How refreshing to see someone trying to buck the system and losing out. Maybe your experience will make others think twice about buyig a house just to get into a catchment area for a particular school. State schools will never all be equal and you have found that picking and choosing is not always easy. Having tried the house move, you've now had to take on a 16 mile round trip, just to get a school that meets your personal definition of fit for purpose. If you are so fussy about schools you should either go private or just simply accept the journey and shut up. You are part of the cause of the parking issues, by deliberately choosing a school that needs a car journey. If that means you can't park properly and you get a fine then that's your problem, not the headteacher of a school you don't like. Either park better, or take the fines. I hope you aren't bringing your children up to have an attitude like yours about somebody else being responsible for your actions, but I suspect you are, and maybe that's why your children ddin't fit in.[/p][/quote]We didn't buy a house to get into he catchment area- they were already at the school. We wanted to live nearby so they could walk or cycle to school. If you know anything about Clifton with Rawcliffe you wouldn't post a comment like this, it is . It is now a terrible place and we were not the only ones who left- 35 children left in the academic year 2012/2013 (information obtained from the council under the FOI act). We are not 'fussy' about schools, We simply want a school that doesn't make children suicidal, which Clifton with Rawcliffe did for them. The schools they are at now treat them with respect- as they do all their other pupils quite a few of whom also previously attended Clifton with Rawcliffe but whose parents found it not fit for purpose. It has absolutely nothing to do with not 'fitting in'. I suggest you keep your ignorant and ill informed views to yourself - you obviously do not have children and do not understand anything about schools or Clifton with Rawcliffe. I hope you get a fine yourself- any fine would be good but a large one would be best. I am unlikely to get one because I always park well away from the school and walk the rest of the way, ha!! Take that 'Original homer'[/p][/quote]Just been nosey,why is it such a terrible place is it the pupils that are there or the staff?[/p][/quote]Good question! Before the new build, the school consisted of 2 sites, an infant and a junior site which diluted the influence of the headteacher. After they merged the 2 sites into a huge new factory type building, things went rapidly downhill and it was at this point my children (and lots of other children too) started to feel really unhappy. Not only are they now cramming nearly 500 children into one relatively small building, they have also introduced 'open plan teaching'- upto 180 children in one space. It is very noisy, very impersonal, and the atmosphere really changed . It is based on fear, intimidation and many petty rules. Lots of good teachers left, then followed lots of supply teachers, some of whom also left quickly. It was all very unsettling and as parents you were never told anything. My son had many days of not even having an allocated teacher, just a TA who 'kept an eye on things'. My daughter called it 'a big torture centre full of idiots who tell you foolish and boring things'. Moving schools was a very hard decision ( we took a lot of time )- they had lots of friends at school, who they miss, and we live so close, but it has been the best decision we have ever taken. I am still very angry at what happened, which is why I am posting these comments. But they are happy now- and I don't mind driving them out of town but I do mind having been robbed of the option for them to goto their local school- and walking and cycling there by themselves with their friends. Yorkresident1
  • Score: 0

3:46pm Thu 6 Feb 14

courier46 says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
courier46 wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote: courier46 wrote: To Archiebold the 1st,you`ve got a F@`@@@n mouth on you ain`t u, we are grandparents but not retired but do have time to walk yes walk to school somedays.My problem is not with working people who don't have time or with people who live too far away but the lazy ones who do have time to walk ,who don't live over a 500 yrds away and the ones who think it`s there right to park where they want.IE over peoples drives and blocking roads.my point is how many school kids have their grand parents walk them to school. Its great you get to. But your view of charging people who park near a school as you can walk them isnt right. Also i very much doubt parents drive 500yards to drop kids off then back home again. You all seem to simply follow on from the stereotype of 4x4's etc. when it isn’t like that at all! Who even has 4x4’s in york! Try going to yarm about 8am then you would see traffic issues caused by the Chelsea tractors. The council should find their shortfall elsewhere simple as. I'd say living 50 yards from a school im in a good place to have a realistic view.Are you a councillor because you don't listen,the problem is people who park over drives and block roads by dumping ther cars (parking) if you have to drive then you have to drive but don't park to obstruct .you bring up 4x4`s not me! I am talking about fiestas,transits,zaf iras "normal1.How do you know what I have and haven`t seen? the people that drive to school at our school are within 500yds,2.my daughter when we don't take our grandchildren walks with them EVERYTIME!,3.why should anyone have there drive blocked even once by rude people? even for 4 minutes.4.By the time your law for blocking drives was enforced the arrogant people who think they can park anywhere would have gone.5.why should someone get delayed by 1 minute because people think they can do what they want and have no respect for others.Why park dangerously and in wrong places to get that ticket,you don't seem to clock on that they might think there saving there children but they, with there dangerous parking put other children at risk.No one is suggesting that if it is safe to drop off on yellows lines and you cant walk them to school or park round the corner that people should not be able to do so.You assume a lot.
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: To Archiebold the 1st,you`ve got a F@`@@@n mouth on you ain`t u, we are grandparents but not retired but do have time to walk yes walk to school somedays.My problem is not with working people who don't have time or with people who live too far away but the lazy ones who do have time to walk ,who don't live over a 500 yrds away and the ones who think it`s there right to park where they want.IE over peoples drives and blocking roads.[/p][/quote]my point is how many school kids have their grand parents walk them to school. Its great you get to. But your view of charging people who park near a school as you can walk them isnt right. Also i very much doubt parents drive 500yards to drop kids off then back home again. You all seem to simply follow on from the stereotype of 4x4's etc. when it isn’t like that at all! Who even has 4x4’s in york! Try going to yarm about 8am then you would see traffic issues caused by the Chelsea tractors. The council should find their shortfall elsewhere simple as. I'd say living 50 yards from a school im in a good place to have a realistic view.[/p][/quote]Are you a councillor because you don't listen,the problem is people who park over drives and block roads by dumping ther cars (parking) if you have to drive then you have to drive but don't park to obstruct .you bring up 4x4`s not me! I am talking about fiestas,transits,zaf iras "normal1.How do you know what I have and haven`t seen? the people that drive to school at our school are within 500yds,2.my daughter when we don't take our grandchildren walks with them EVERYTIME!,3.why should anyone have there drive blocked even once by rude people? even for 4 minutes.4.By the time your law for blocking drives was enforced the arrogant people who think they can park anywhere would have gone.5.why should someone get delayed by 1 minute because people think they can do what they want and have no respect for others.Why park dangerously and in wrong places to get that ticket,you don't seem to clock on that they might think there saving there children but they, with there dangerous parking put other children at risk.No one is suggesting that if it is safe to drop off on yellows lines and you cant walk them to school or park round the corner that people should not be able to do so.You assume a lot. courier46
  • Score: 0

3:49pm Thu 6 Feb 14

courier46 says...

To Archiebold the 1st 1.How do you know what I have and haven`t seen? the people that drive to school at our school are within 500yds,2.my daughter when we don't take our grandchildren walks with them EVERYTIME!,3.why should anyone have there drive blocked even once by rude people? even for 4 minutes.4.By the time your law for blocking drives was enforced the arrogant people who think they can park anywhere would have gone.5.why should someone get delayed by 1 minute because people think they can do what they want and have no respect for others.Why park dangerously and in wrong places to get that ticket,you don't seem to clock on that they might think there saving there children but they, with there dangerous parking put other children at risk.No one is suggesting that if it is safe to drop off on yellows lines and you cant walk them to school or park round the corner that people should not be able to do so.You assume a lot.
To Archiebold the 1st 1.How do you know what I have and haven`t seen? the people that drive to school at our school are within 500yds,2.my daughter when we don't take our grandchildren walks with them EVERYTIME!,3.why should anyone have there drive blocked even once by rude people? even for 4 minutes.4.By the time your law for blocking drives was enforced the arrogant people who think they can park anywhere would have gone.5.why should someone get delayed by 1 minute because people think they can do what they want and have no respect for others.Why park dangerously and in wrong places to get that ticket,you don't seem to clock on that they might think there saving there children but they, with there dangerous parking put other children at risk.No one is suggesting that if it is safe to drop off on yellows lines and you cant walk them to school or park round the corner that people should not be able to do so.You assume a lot. courier46
  • Score: 1

3:54pm Thu 6 Feb 14

cambsmover says...

It's good to clamp down on illegal parking and I fully support it, however it is not illegal (currently) to park on pavements outside Greater London where there is no "obstruction" being caused. Facts like this should be checked before literature is sent out.
It's good to clamp down on illegal parking and I fully support it, however it is not illegal (currently) to park on pavements outside Greater London where there is no "obstruction" being caused. Facts like this should be checked before literature is sent out. cambsmover
  • Score: 2

4:02pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

courier46 wrote:
To Archiebold the 1st 1.How do you know what I have and haven`t seen? the people that drive to school at our school are within 500yds,2.my daughter when we don't take our grandchildren walks with them EVERYTIME!,3.why should anyone have there drive blocked even once by rude people? even for 4 minutes.4.By the time your law for blocking drives was enforced the arrogant people who think they can park anywhere would have gone.5.why should someone get delayed by 1 minute because people think they can do what they want and have no respect for others.Why park dangerously and in wrong places to get that ticket,you don't seem to clock on that they might think there saving there children but they, with there dangerous parking put other children at risk.No one is suggesting that if it is safe to drop off on yellows lines and you cant walk them to school or park round the corner that people should not be able to do so.You assume a lot.
Are they returning home or then heading off to work i wonder. That’s good but not everyone can walk to school. The article above does not mention fining for blocking a drive so how will that rectify it? and its not even happening. I'm not sure about you but i do get delayed by people on a daily basis but I don’t make a fuss of it as no doubt I’ll delay people at some point (it happens and its not on purpose) It is not parking dangerously. Double yellow lines do not signal danger. I get people get frustrated but I think the same? why do I have parking down my area for people who live on the outskirts to abuse. but I wouldn’t suggest fining them.

I made a note of this over lunch and saw 4 vehicles parked on double yellows stood there. So why should they go unpunished? you can not have one law for one and not for others.

I'll do you a deal take note on the school run tomorrow of a car that drives 500yards (a par 5) then goes home, or blocks a drive. If they do i'll support this cash cow for coyc. i've never seen it and live 50 yards from one and pass 2 others going to work daily.
[quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: To Archiebold the 1st 1.How do you know what I have and haven`t seen? the people that drive to school at our school are within 500yds,2.my daughter when we don't take our grandchildren walks with them EVERYTIME!,3.why should anyone have there drive blocked even once by rude people? even for 4 minutes.4.By the time your law for blocking drives was enforced the arrogant people who think they can park anywhere would have gone.5.why should someone get delayed by 1 minute because people think they can do what they want and have no respect for others.Why park dangerously and in wrong places to get that ticket,you don't seem to clock on that they might think there saving there children but they, with there dangerous parking put other children at risk.No one is suggesting that if it is safe to drop off on yellows lines and you cant walk them to school or park round the corner that people should not be able to do so.You assume a lot.[/p][/quote]Are they returning home or then heading off to work i wonder. That’s good but not everyone can walk to school. The article above does not mention fining for blocking a drive so how will that rectify it? and its not even happening. I'm not sure about you but i do get delayed by people on a daily basis but I don’t make a fuss of it as no doubt I’ll delay people at some point (it happens and its not on purpose) It is not parking dangerously. Double yellow lines do not signal danger. I get people get frustrated but I think the same? why do I have parking down my area for people who live on the outskirts to abuse. but I wouldn’t suggest fining them. I made a note of this over lunch and saw 4 vehicles parked on double yellows stood there. So why should they go unpunished? you can not have one law for one and not for others. I'll do you a deal take note on the school run tomorrow of a car that drives 500yards (a par 5) then goes home, or blocks a drive. If they do i'll support this cash cow for coyc. i've never seen it and live 50 yards from one and pass 2 others going to work daily. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 4

4:10pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Rocking Horse says...

Geoffers wrote:
In Wigginton some parents walk further from where they parked than they would have walked from home! Hope they're going to fine the ones that park on both sides of the road.
It's the same in Upper/Nether Poppleton, and causes total traffic mayhem around Ousebank Primary School.

Why are parents so lazy, or are they just trying to impress with their 4x4's ?
[quote][p][bold]Geoffers[/bold] wrote: In Wigginton some parents walk further from where they parked than they would have walked from home! Hope they're going to fine the ones that park on both sides of the road.[/p][/quote]It's the same in Upper/Nether Poppleton, and causes total traffic mayhem around Ousebank Primary School. Why are parents so lazy, or are they just trying to impress with their 4x4's ? Rocking Horse
  • Score: 2

5:37pm Thu 6 Feb 14

bloodaxe says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
You have all missed the point! This is another scam to relieve the motorist of some more cash because our Council can and intend to.
You wouldn't travel to a supermarket to collect your shopping only to find there is no parking provision, so why should you expect parents and guardians living more than a mile away to not have such a provision when collecting a slightly more precious cargo?
Lendal Bridge, Police mobile speed camera's and now this. Big Brother is watching you and there is one thing in common: MONEY...your money!
Be careful, the CIA are bugging your phone and watching you through your telly.
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: You have all missed the point! This is another scam to relieve the motorist of some more cash because our Council can and intend to. You wouldn't travel to a supermarket to collect your shopping only to find there is no parking provision, so why should you expect parents and guardians living more than a mile away to not have such a provision when collecting a slightly more precious cargo? Lendal Bridge, Police mobile speed camera's and now this. Big Brother is watching you and there is one thing in common: MONEY...your money![/p][/quote]Be careful, the CIA are bugging your phone and watching you through your telly. bloodaxe
  • Score: -4

6:01pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Mary_Poppins says...

I live 4 miles away from where my child goes to school so although I would love to walk, it isn't really the practical solution for me. I agree, it is a nightmare with cars outside schools but wasn't aware that it was against the law to park slightly on the footpath. I've googled it and it seems its a very hazy area where different rules apply to different areas in the UK. Does anyone know what the ruling is in York?
I live 4 miles away from where my child goes to school so although I would love to walk, it isn't really the practical solution for me. I agree, it is a nightmare with cars outside schools but wasn't aware that it was against the law to park slightly on the footpath. I've googled it and it seems its a very hazy area where different rules apply to different areas in the UK. Does anyone know what the ruling is in York? Mary_Poppins
  • Score: 2

6:12pm Thu 6 Feb 14

courier46 says...

Archiebold,i know a lot of people in my area and where they live and know for a fact that they drive and drop off there kids and it is less than 500 yds and they are not all going to work.I am now losing the will to live and will not be saying any more about the ones who think it is there right to park that is PARK where they want.
Thank you and goodnight!
Archiebold,i know a lot of people in my area and where they live and know for a fact that they drive and drop off there kids and it is less than 500 yds and they are not all going to work.I am now losing the will to live and will not be saying any more about the ones who think it is there right to park that is PARK where they want. Thank you and goodnight! courier46
  • Score: 0

8:56pm Thu 6 Feb 14

greenmonkey says...

Mary_Poppins wrote:
I live 4 miles away from where my child goes to school so although I would love to walk, it isn't really the practical solution for me. I agree, it is a nightmare with cars outside schools but wasn't aware that it was against the law to park slightly on the footpath. I've googled it and it seems its a very hazy area where different rules apply to different areas in the UK. Does anyone know what the ruling is in York?
Slightly on the footpath often means that people with pushchairs, motability scooter etc cant get past without going in the road or squeezing past wet bushes. If there are yellow lines they apply to the footpath just the same as the road. The Highway code says it is against the law to 'drive on the footway' but a police officer has to see you doing it. However getting onto the footway does create danger for small children, people with visual handicap etc so is not to be encouraged. It also tends to leave the road clear meaning that traffic which your vehicle may be hiding is going faster, and presenting more of a danger to anyone trying to cross the road nearby if you are near a junction or blind spot. If you can afford an extra 10 minutes on your journey and have to take the car the best option is to park at some distance from the school in a safe legal spot and walk a few hundred yards. That way you both get some fresh air, exercise and a chance to experience as a pedestrian the hazards created by more selfish parents parking illegally right outside the school.
[quote][p][bold]Mary_Poppins[/bold] wrote: I live 4 miles away from where my child goes to school so although I would love to walk, it isn't really the practical solution for me. I agree, it is a nightmare with cars outside schools but wasn't aware that it was against the law to park slightly on the footpath. I've googled it and it seems its a very hazy area where different rules apply to different areas in the UK. Does anyone know what the ruling is in York?[/p][/quote]Slightly on the footpath often means that people with pushchairs, motability scooter etc cant get past without going in the road or squeezing past wet bushes. If there are yellow lines they apply to the footpath just the same as the road. The Highway code says it is against the law to 'drive on the footway' but a police officer has to see you doing it. However getting onto the footway does create danger for small children, people with visual handicap etc so is not to be encouraged. It also tends to leave the road clear meaning that traffic which your vehicle may be hiding is going faster, and presenting more of a danger to anyone trying to cross the road nearby if you are near a junction or blind spot. If you can afford an extra 10 minutes on your journey and have to take the car the best option is to park at some distance from the school in a safe legal spot and walk a few hundred yards. That way you both get some fresh air, exercise and a chance to experience as a pedestrian the hazards created by more selfish parents parking illegally right outside the school. greenmonkey
  • Score: 9

9:07pm Thu 6 Feb 14

bjb says...

Spot on greenmonkey. Nothing more needs to be said. You have summed it up admirably.
Spot on greenmonkey. Nothing more needs to be said. You have summed it up admirably. bjb
  • Score: -2

9:25am Fri 7 Feb 14

sniper 9964 says...

Much needed on Heslington Road
Much needed on Heslington Road sniper 9964
  • Score: 1

10:58am Fri 7 Feb 14

the original Homer says...

Mary_Poppins wrote:
I live 4 miles away from where my child goes to school so although I would love to walk, it isn't really the practical solution for me. I agree, it is a nightmare with cars outside schools but wasn't aware that it was against the law to park slightly on the footpath. I've googled it and it seems its a very hazy area where different rules apply to different areas in the UK. Does anyone know what the ruling is in York?
It's illegal to drive on the footpath, except where there is a dropped kerb (and then you can only drive over it into a drive, not along the path).
Whatever you've googled about parking can't change the law about driving on a footpath. It might be legal to park there (in some places) but there's no legal way of actually getting there (it's also legal to park in public toilets, on garden walls and on bus shelter roofs).

Technically, a policeman had to see someone actually commit the offence to be able to prosecute. It wasn't enough that the car had to have gone along the path to get there, as they didn't know who'd driven it. New laws mean the registered keeper has tio disclose who was driving, so this is now enforceable.

The camera cars will be able to gather evidence showing cars on paths and that will be easier to prosecute than yellow line infringements as they don't need to prove parked vs stopped/waiting.

Technically, some "pavements" may be driven on, if they are classed as roads. Local Authorites can build something that looks exactly like a pavement but designate it as a road.
[quote][p][bold]Mary_Poppins[/bold] wrote: I live 4 miles away from where my child goes to school so although I would love to walk, it isn't really the practical solution for me. I agree, it is a nightmare with cars outside schools but wasn't aware that it was against the law to park slightly on the footpath. I've googled it and it seems its a very hazy area where different rules apply to different areas in the UK. Does anyone know what the ruling is in York?[/p][/quote]It's illegal to drive on the footpath, except where there is a dropped kerb (and then you can only drive over it into a drive, not along the path). Whatever you've googled about parking can't change the law about driving on a footpath. It might be legal to park there (in some places) but there's no legal way of actually getting there (it's also legal to park in public toilets, on garden walls and on bus shelter roofs). Technically, a policeman had to see someone actually commit the offence to be able to prosecute. It wasn't enough that the car had to have gone along the path to get there, as they didn't know who'd driven it. New laws mean the registered keeper has tio disclose who was driving, so this is now enforceable. The camera cars will be able to gather evidence showing cars on paths and that will be easier to prosecute than yellow line infringements as they don't need to prove parked vs stopped/waiting. Technically, some "pavements" may be driven on, if they are classed as roads. Local Authorites can build something that looks exactly like a pavement but designate it as a road. the original Homer
  • Score: 0

2:20pm Fri 7 Feb 14

dawn71 says...

My daughter was run over by a teacher leaving joseph rowntrees school, so Its not just the parents that are the issue here!!!!!!
My daughter was run over by a teacher leaving joseph rowntrees school, so Its not just the parents that are the issue here!!!!!! dawn71
  • Score: 1

5:39pm Fri 7 Feb 14

strangebuttrue? says...

It always amazes me that parents create this dangerous situation outside schools with cars parked both sides restricting the view for their offspring. And who is that charging down the middle of it all in a 4x4 at 45mph?. Yes another one of the parents with her 3 children in the car who could not be bothered to get up on time to get them there!!
It always amazes me that parents create this dangerous situation outside schools with cars parked both sides restricting the view for their offspring. And who is that charging down the middle of it all in a 4x4 at 45mph?. Yes another one of the parents with her 3 children in the car who could not be bothered to get up on time to get them there!! strangebuttrue?
  • Score: 4

5:42pm Fri 7 Feb 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Mary_Poppins wrote:
I live 4 miles away from where my child goes to school so although I would love to walk, it isn't really the practical solution for me. I agree, it is a nightmare with cars outside schools but wasn't aware that it was against the law to park slightly on the footpath. I've googled it and it seems its a very hazy area where different rules apply to different areas in the UK. Does anyone know what the ruling is in York?
It would seem you are not allowed to drive on a path but you can park on one. But if you parked on it how did you get there if you did not drive on it?
[quote][p][bold]Mary_Poppins[/bold] wrote: I live 4 miles away from where my child goes to school so although I would love to walk, it isn't really the practical solution for me. I agree, it is a nightmare with cars outside schools but wasn't aware that it was against the law to park slightly on the footpath. I've googled it and it seems its a very hazy area where different rules apply to different areas in the UK. Does anyone know what the ruling is in York?[/p][/quote]It would seem you are not allowed to drive on a path but you can park on one. But if you parked on it how did you get there if you did not drive on it? strangebuttrue?
  • Score: 4

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