New electric vehicle chargers to be installed around York

York Press: Coun Dave Merrett at the wheel of an  electric car in April last year Coun Dave Merrett at the wheel of an electric car in April last year

EIGHT new rapid chargers for electric vehicles are to be installed around York after the city secured £244,500 in extra funding for the low-emission transport scheme.

The points will be able to charge an electric car in about 20 minutes and will be set up at Park&Ride sites and other locations, including the York Sport Village in Heslington.

The money has come from the Department for Transport following a bid by City of York Council to support a national campaign promoting environmentally friendly vehicles.

The chargers are part of the council’s strategy to combat York’s air pollution problems.

Coun Dave Merrett, the authority’s cabinet member for transport and sustainability, said: “This is excellent news for York – we are determined to improve air quality and the city’s carbon footprint and this is another great step forward.

"Electric vehicles produce 50 to 60 per cent less CO2 and zero air-pollution emissions, with lower running costs than diesel, which makes them a cost-effective alternative for businesses and organisations.”

More information about the charging points is at itravelyork.com

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12:30pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Sillybillies says...

What evidence is there of a need? Has anyone seen the ones at Waitrose in use?
What evidence is there of a need? Has anyone seen the ones at Waitrose in use? Sillybillies
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12:53pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Oyy you says...

Sillybillies wrote:
What evidence is there of a need? Has anyone seen the ones at Waitrose in use?
Or the ones on nunnery lane.....
[quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: What evidence is there of a need? Has anyone seen the ones at Waitrose in use?[/p][/quote]Or the ones on nunnery lane..... Oyy you
  • Score: 2

1:14pm Fri 31 Jan 14

3.8liter says...

Does anyone in York run one of these electric cars? Do we actually need these charging points?
Does anyone in York run one of these electric cars? Do we actually need these charging points? 3.8liter
  • Score: 0

1:30pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Can't all be wrong says...

Think this has more to do with grabbing a headline than providing a much needed service !
Think this has more to do with grabbing a headline than providing a much needed service ! Can't all be wrong
  • Score: 0

1:30pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Devils_advocate says...

If you build them they will come.
If you build them they will come. Devils_advocate
  • Score: 4

1:42pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Mulgrave says...

I would love to see twenty years into the future as to where we will be with electric cars. If the range and or purchase price situation were to change dramatically, everyone would be wanting one, not a few thousand a year as now. The only problem is, by going all out for the emissions angle in welcoming them in towns and cities, the congestion problems are completely ignored. With no 60% fuel duty (or the VAT at 20% both on the cost of fuel and the duty itself) compared with just 5% VAT on the electricity it is no wonder there is such a wide gap in the cost to fill/charge up, much of which is obviously at whim of government.

I am not sure how a system of "duty" on electricity just to charge cars would work as in reality most would be charged at home overnight, most likely it would have to take the form of VED which of course at the moment is zero for electric and indeed anything under 99g/km CO2.

Revenue from use of private vehicles is something no government will give up in the long run, despite the "loss leader" approach at the moment.
I would love to see twenty years into the future as to where we will be with electric cars. If the range and or purchase price situation were to change dramatically, everyone would be wanting one, not a few thousand a year as now. The only problem is, by going all out for the emissions angle in welcoming them in towns and cities, the congestion problems are completely ignored. With no 60% fuel duty (or the VAT at 20% both on the cost of fuel and the duty itself) compared with just 5% VAT on the electricity it is no wonder there is such a wide gap in the cost to fill/charge up, much of which is obviously at whim of government. I am not sure how a system of "duty" on electricity just to charge cars would work as in reality most would be charged at home overnight, most likely it would have to take the form of VED which of course at the moment is zero for electric and indeed anything under 99g/km CO2. Revenue from use of private vehicles is something no government will give up in the long run, despite the "loss leader" approach at the moment. Mulgrave
  • Score: 3

1:51pm Fri 31 Jan 14

YorkPatrol says...

Maybe Merrett could plug his brain into one of the charging points - This would be excellent news for York if it was sustainable but most certainly wouldn’t hold charge
Maybe Merrett could plug his brain into one of the charging points - This would be excellent news for York if it was sustainable but most certainly wouldn’t hold charge YorkPatrol
  • Score: -20

2:15pm Fri 31 Jan 14

york_chap says...

It amazes me what the government and local authorities wantonly waste their money on, whilst core services such as the NHS are being told to cut back.

First it was half a million pounds to concrete-over King's Square (which was widely unpopular and totally unnecessary), now it's a quarter of a million pounds to put up some electric car plugs (again unnecessary in York) .

How many nurses or beat-bobbies could that money have paid for, or potholes repaired, or what about care services for the elderly? Perhaps a few quid might even have been left over to put salt in the salt-bins or fix faulty street lights. I suppose those options aren't fashionable though, nor do they cater to tourists......but everyone's allowed to dream.
It amazes me what the government and local authorities wantonly waste their money on, whilst core services such as the NHS are being told to cut back. First it was half a million pounds to concrete-over King's Square (which was widely unpopular and totally unnecessary), now it's a quarter of a million pounds to put up some electric car plugs (again unnecessary in York) . How many nurses or beat-bobbies could that money have paid for, or potholes repaired, or what about care services for the elderly? Perhaps a few quid might even have been left over to put salt in the salt-bins or fix faulty street lights. I suppose those options aren't fashionable though, nor do they cater to tourists......but everyone's allowed to dream. york_chap
  • Score: -23

2:53pm Fri 31 Jan 14

YorkPatrol says...

york_chap wrote:
It amazes me what the government and local authorities wantonly waste their money on, whilst core services such as the NHS are being told to cut back. First it was half a million pounds to concrete-over King's Square (which was widely unpopular and totally unnecessary), now it's a quarter of a million pounds to put up some electric car plugs (again unnecessary in York) . How many nurses or beat-bobbies could that money have paid for, or potholes repaired, or what about care services for the elderly? Perhaps a few quid might even have been left over to put salt in the salt-bins or fix faulty street lights. I suppose those options aren't fashionable though, nor do they cater to tourists......but everyone's allowed to dream.
That's Labour for you - Everything they touch turns to...........
[quote][p][bold]york_chap[/bold] wrote: It amazes me what the government and local authorities wantonly waste their money on, whilst core services such as the NHS are being told to cut back. First it was half a million pounds to concrete-over King's Square (which was widely unpopular and totally unnecessary), now it's a quarter of a million pounds to put up some electric car plugs (again unnecessary in York) . How many nurses or beat-bobbies could that money have paid for, or potholes repaired, or what about care services for the elderly? Perhaps a few quid might even have been left over to put salt in the salt-bins or fix faulty street lights. I suppose those options aren't fashionable though, nor do they cater to tourists......but everyone's allowed to dream.[/p][/quote]That's Labour for you - Everything they touch turns to........... YorkPatrol
  • Score: -22

4:30pm Fri 31 Jan 14

perplexed says...

YorkPatrol wrote:
york_chap wrote:
It amazes me what the government and local authorities wantonly waste their money on, whilst core services such as the NHS are being told to cut back. First it was half a million pounds to concrete-over King's Square (which was widely unpopular and totally unnecessary), now it's a quarter of a million pounds to put up some electric car plugs (again unnecessary in York) . How many nurses or beat-bobbies could that money have paid for, or potholes repaired, or what about care services for the elderly? Perhaps a few quid might even have been left over to put salt in the salt-bins or fix faulty street lights. I suppose those options aren't fashionable though, nor do they cater to tourists......but everyone's allowed to dream.
That's Labour for you - Everything they touch turns to...........
Does not the money come from the Department for Transport who presumably awarded it in the first place rather than making it available for the roads, NHS etc ? Thats the Government for you!
[quote][p][bold]YorkPatrol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]york_chap[/bold] wrote: It amazes me what the government and local authorities wantonly waste their money on, whilst core services such as the NHS are being told to cut back. First it was half a million pounds to concrete-over King's Square (which was widely unpopular and totally unnecessary), now it's a quarter of a million pounds to put up some electric car plugs (again unnecessary in York) . How many nurses or beat-bobbies could that money have paid for, or potholes repaired, or what about care services for the elderly? Perhaps a few quid might even have been left over to put salt in the salt-bins or fix faulty street lights. I suppose those options aren't fashionable though, nor do they cater to tourists......but everyone's allowed to dream.[/p][/quote]That's Labour for you - Everything they touch turns to...........[/p][/quote]Does not the money come from the Department for Transport who presumably awarded it in the first place rather than making it available for the roads, NHS etc ? Thats the Government for you! perplexed
  • Score: 4

5:04pm Fri 31 Jan 14

MouseHouse says...

3.8liter wrote:
Does anyone in York run one of these electric cars? Do we actually need these charging points?
A neighbour has one so in answer to your question - yes.
If you run a vehicle then it is reasonable to expect refuelling points here and there.
[quote][p][bold]3.8liter[/bold] wrote: Does anyone in York run one of these electric cars? Do we actually need these charging points?[/p][/quote]A neighbour has one so in answer to your question - yes. If you run a vehicle then it is reasonable to expect refuelling points here and there. MouseHouse
  • Score: 24

8:44pm Fri 31 Jan 14

piaggio1 says...

See the scoring bin rigged again....pathetic.
See the scoring bin rigged again....pathetic. piaggio1
  • Score: -61

10:23pm Fri 31 Jan 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Now come on Mr Merrett. 8 charging points at a cost of almost £1/4m which, no matter where the money came from it comes out of our taxes, and you come out with claims that you are interested in improving air quality!!!. Your own report tells us that pollution in York has risen by as much as 48% with no increase in the volume of traffic. I think it may be reasonable to conclude from your facts that this may well have something to do with your anti car congestion creating bullying tactics. Probably has something to do with all those nearly empty 6 mpg buses which you have trundling round all day - oh no need to guess on that one you told us in the same report that they are one of the main reasons York missed it's pollution targets. Also just to show how anti car you are you are putting some charging points in P&R? So there you have it. If it has more than 2 wheels Mr Merrett does not want it in the city.
Now come on Mr Merrett. 8 charging points at a cost of almost £1/4m which, no matter where the money came from it comes out of our taxes, and you come out with claims that you are interested in improving air quality!!!. Your own report tells us that pollution in York has risen by as much as 48% with no increase in the volume of traffic. I think it may be reasonable to conclude from your facts that this may well have something to do with your anti car congestion creating bullying tactics. Probably has something to do with all those nearly empty 6 mpg buses which you have trundling round all day - oh no need to guess on that one you told us in the same report that they are one of the main reasons York missed it's pollution targets. Also just to show how anti car you are you are putting some charging points in P&R? So there you have it. If it has more than 2 wheels Mr Merrett does not want it in the city. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -71

3:08am Sat 1 Feb 14

Magicman! says...

Mulgrave wrote:
I would love to see twenty years into the future as to where we will be with electric cars. If the range and or purchase price situation were to change dramatically, everyone would be wanting one, not a few thousand a year as now. The only problem is, by going all out for the emissions angle in welcoming them in towns and cities, the congestion problems are completely ignored. With no 60% fuel duty (or the VAT at 20% both on the cost of fuel and the duty itself) compared with just 5% VAT on the electricity it is no wonder there is such a wide gap in the cost to fill/charge up, much of which is obviously at whim of government.

I am not sure how a system of "duty" on electricity just to charge cars would work as in reality most would be charged at home overnight, most likely it would have to take the form of VED which of course at the moment is zero for electric and indeed anything under 99g/km CO2.

Revenue from use of private vehicles is something no government will give up in the long run, despite the "loss leader" approach at the moment.
Indeed... the congestion issue is one a lot of people overlook - especially when they want to have a rant about cyclists. "these cyclists take up 'our' road space" is the general line of thinking - coming from a driver probably sat behind a Fiat 500, the owner of which pays zero road tax and yet that Fiat 500 (most likely single occupancy) is taking up the road space of 4 bicycles. The zero VED on low emission vehicles is a gimmick, and one that will eventually cause harm to the treasury once more people are driving such vehicles.
[quote][p][bold]Mulgrave[/bold] wrote: I would love to see twenty years into the future as to where we will be with electric cars. If the range and or purchase price situation were to change dramatically, everyone would be wanting one, not a few thousand a year as now. The only problem is, by going all out for the emissions angle in welcoming them in towns and cities, the congestion problems are completely ignored. With no 60% fuel duty (or the VAT at 20% both on the cost of fuel and the duty itself) compared with just 5% VAT on the electricity it is no wonder there is such a wide gap in the cost to fill/charge up, much of which is obviously at whim of government. I am not sure how a system of "duty" on electricity just to charge cars would work as in reality most would be charged at home overnight, most likely it would have to take the form of VED which of course at the moment is zero for electric and indeed anything under 99g/km CO2. Revenue from use of private vehicles is something no government will give up in the long run, despite the "loss leader" approach at the moment.[/p][/quote]Indeed... the congestion issue is one a lot of people overlook - especially when they want to have a rant about cyclists. "these cyclists take up 'our' road space" is the general line of thinking - coming from a driver probably sat behind a Fiat 500, the owner of which pays zero road tax and yet that Fiat 500 (most likely single occupancy) is taking up the road space of 4 bicycles. The zero VED on low emission vehicles is a gimmick, and one that will eventually cause harm to the treasury once more people are driving such vehicles. Magicman!
  • Score: -1

3:21am Sat 1 Feb 14

Magicman! says...

strangebuttrue? wrote:
Now come on Mr Merrett. 8 charging points at a cost of almost £1/4m which, no matter where the money came from it comes out of our taxes, and you come out with claims that you are interested in improving air quality!!!. Your own report tells us that pollution in York has risen by as much as 48% with no increase in the volume of traffic. I think it may be reasonable to conclude from your facts that this may well have something to do with your anti car congestion creating bullying tactics. Probably has something to do with all those nearly empty 6 mpg buses which you have trundling round all day - oh no need to guess on that one you told us in the same report that they are one of the main reasons York missed it's pollution targets. Also just to show how anti car you are you are putting some charging points in P&R? So there you have it. If it has more than 2 wheels Mr Merrett does not want it in the city.
Some stupid logic in there.... if buses were nearly empty then why is First York currently in the process of passing it's 2001/2002 registered buses off to other towns and cities in favour of slightly newer 2005 buses; why has First spent a considerable amount of money on refurbishing 5 Hybrid double deckers (2008 registered) which are due for York soon; why has First spent a considerable amount of money on 6 all-electric single decker buses; why has Transdev spent out to buy an all-electric bus; why has Arriva just spent several hundred thousand pounds on low-emission brand new locally-built minibuses for council-tendered services?? Open your eyes man, bus ridership in York is increasing - and this comes down to the rising cost of private motoring coupled with congestion which is reaching crippling levels: and this is NOT just in places related to Lendal Bridge - this includes the Fulford Road, Wigginton Road, Holgate, and so on. Because this city is ancient, new roads in the centre simply cannot be built (not unless they were tunnelled under from one side to the other) - and so that means existing city centre road capacity is now at a premium... so think about this: if there's 10 meters of road within a highly congested area, what is the most efficient use of it: (a) 3 cars, carrying at the very most 21 people (assuming each car is a Volvo XC90 7-seater at full capacity, which is highly unlikely)), or (b) a double decker bus carrying 80 people...?
I am not thinking anti-car per se, as there are journeys and circumstances where private vehicles are compulsory - but the winds of change are blowing, and they're not in favour of Jonny Motorist.

--

It's worth noting that there is a charging point being installed at the Sports Village, but it will be in use for 30 minutes early afternoon each day for the all-electric minibus that Transdev is going to be using on the university campus... likewise at the Poppleton park and ride site, First York's electric buses will likely use a charging point there at staggered times throughout each day.
[quote][p][bold]strangebuttrue?[/bold] wrote: Now come on Mr Merrett. 8 charging points at a cost of almost £1/4m which, no matter where the money came from it comes out of our taxes, and you come out with claims that you are interested in improving air quality!!!. Your own report tells us that pollution in York has risen by as much as 48% with no increase in the volume of traffic. I think it may be reasonable to conclude from your facts that this may well have something to do with your anti car congestion creating bullying tactics. Probably has something to do with all those nearly empty 6 mpg buses which you have trundling round all day - oh no need to guess on that one you told us in the same report that they are one of the main reasons York missed it's pollution targets. Also just to show how anti car you are you are putting some charging points in P&R? So there you have it. If it has more than 2 wheels Mr Merrett does not want it in the city.[/p][/quote]Some stupid logic in there.... if buses were nearly empty then why is First York currently in the process of passing it's 2001/2002 registered buses off to other towns and cities in favour of slightly newer 2005 buses; why has First spent a considerable amount of money on refurbishing 5 Hybrid double deckers (2008 registered) which are due for York soon; why has First spent a considerable amount of money on 6 all-electric single decker buses; why has Transdev spent out to buy an all-electric bus; why has Arriva just spent several hundred thousand pounds on low-emission brand new locally-built minibuses for council-tendered services?? Open your eyes man, bus ridership in York is increasing - and this comes down to the rising cost of private motoring coupled with congestion which is reaching crippling levels: and this is NOT just in places related to Lendal Bridge - this includes the Fulford Road, Wigginton Road, Holgate, and so on. Because this city is ancient, new roads in the centre simply cannot be built (not unless they were tunnelled under from one side to the other) - and so that means existing city centre road capacity is now at a premium... so think about this: if there's 10 meters of road within a highly congested area, what is the most efficient use of it: (a) 3 cars, carrying at the very most 21 people (assuming each car is a Volvo XC90 7-seater at full capacity, which is highly unlikely)), or (b) a double decker bus carrying 80 people...? I am not thinking anti-car per se, as there are journeys and circumstances where private vehicles are compulsory - but the winds of change are blowing, and they're not in favour of Jonny Motorist. -- It's worth noting that there is a charging point being installed at the Sports Village, but it will be in use for 30 minutes early afternoon each day for the all-electric minibus that Transdev is going to be using on the university campus... likewise at the Poppleton park and ride site, First York's electric buses will likely use a charging point there at staggered times throughout each day. Magicman!
  • Score: -3

11:14pm Sat 1 Feb 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Magicman! wrote:
strangebuttrue? wrote:
Now come on Mr Merrett. 8 charging points at a cost of almost £1/4m which, no matter where the money came from it comes out of our taxes, and you come out with claims that you are interested in improving air quality!!!. Your own report tells us that pollution in York has risen by as much as 48% with no increase in the volume of traffic. I think it may be reasonable to conclude from your facts that this may well have something to do with your anti car congestion creating bullying tactics. Probably has something to do with all those nearly empty 6 mpg buses which you have trundling round all day - oh no need to guess on that one you told us in the same report that they are one of the main reasons York missed it's pollution targets. Also just to show how anti car you are you are putting some charging points in P&R? So there you have it. If it has more than 2 wheels Mr Merrett does not want it in the city.
Some stupid logic in there.... if buses were nearly empty then why is First York currently in the process of passing it's 2001/2002 registered buses off to other towns and cities in favour of slightly newer 2005 buses; why has First spent a considerable amount of money on refurbishing 5 Hybrid double deckers (2008 registered) which are due for York soon; why has First spent a considerable amount of money on 6 all-electric single decker buses; why has Transdev spent out to buy an all-electric bus; why has Arriva just spent several hundred thousand pounds on low-emission brand new locally-built minibuses for council-tendered services?? Open your eyes man, bus ridership in York is increasing - and this comes down to the rising cost of private motoring coupled with congestion which is reaching crippling levels: and this is NOT just in places related to Lendal Bridge - this includes the Fulford Road, Wigginton Road, Holgate, and so on. Because this city is ancient, new roads in the centre simply cannot be built (not unless they were tunnelled under from one side to the other) - and so that means existing city centre road capacity is now at a premium... so think about this: if there's 10 meters of road within a highly congested area, what is the most efficient use of it: (a) 3 cars, carrying at the very most 21 people (assuming each car is a Volvo XC90 7-seater at full capacity, which is highly unlikely)), or (b) a double decker bus carrying 80 people...?
I am not thinking anti-car per se, as there are journeys and circumstances where private vehicles are compulsory - but the winds of change are blowing, and they're not in favour of Jonny Motorist.

--

It's worth noting that there is a charging point being installed at the Sports Village, but it will be in use for 30 minutes early afternoon each day for the all-electric minibus that Transdev is going to be using on the university campus... likewise at the Poppleton park and ride site, First York's electric buses will likely use a charging point there at staggered times throughout each day.
The first resort of the minority campaigner - name calling (stupid)

I drive around with my eyes open and as I have a lot of time whilst sitting in council created queues, can quite happily and safely count the numbers of people on buses so must conclude that if you say bus usage is increasing then there must be a terrible lot more of the pollution and congestion creating vehicles about. Or are you quoting the recent numbers the council came up with when the new student term started?

If the city centre road space is at a premium then why are the council saying there is less traffic on it than in 2002 when I could get around ok even though I can tell you there were an awful lot more cars in the city centre then?

Why are the bus companies spending so much on greening buses? Incentive payments are currently available to bus operators for using Low Carbon Emission Buses.
Public transport support, BSOG and concessionary fare reimbursement for bus services was approximately £2.3 billion in 2011/12. Subsidies account for around 45 per cent of all bus operators’ revenues. (from House of Commons Standard Note:SN1522 4th December 2013) - Now let me have a long hard think about why bus companies would want to do the work described? -------- Money. Yes more of our tax money. Well that and the fact that the council say their buses are one of the main reasons for York missing its pollution targets and also that pollution has risen by up to 48% with no increase in volume of traffic.

Doing the maths with numbers like 7 people to each car and 80 on a bus? You find me a normal York bus with 80 people on it outside peak and I will give you a fiver for ever person on it. I would even give you money if you could find a Volvo XC90 7-seater with 7 in it.

It clearly states in the article that the charging points are for cars. Now it would be terribly inconvenient if some selfish motorist plugged in their car when the bus came to use it would it not?

Anyway all of this is to and froing is a waste. All you need to do is look at google maps satellite view of York to see how remarkably empty York's roads are and if you take into account that the council has closed half of them by making them no-through roads it makes it all the more remarkable that the ones that are open are so little used. The only place you see any real traffic is at the council created pinch points (York councils anti car bullying stations)

The only wind of change here, judging by the comments and letters in the press and talking to real people in the real world of York (or is it Disney Land York now) is the wind created by minority campaigners and that of the score changing which goes on on this site by some other minority campaigner who seems to believe that everyone is stupid!!!

I seem to have come full circle here?.
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]strangebuttrue?[/bold] wrote: Now come on Mr Merrett. 8 charging points at a cost of almost £1/4m which, no matter where the money came from it comes out of our taxes, and you come out with claims that you are interested in improving air quality!!!. Your own report tells us that pollution in York has risen by as much as 48% with no increase in the volume of traffic. I think it may be reasonable to conclude from your facts that this may well have something to do with your anti car congestion creating bullying tactics. Probably has something to do with all those nearly empty 6 mpg buses which you have trundling round all day - oh no need to guess on that one you told us in the same report that they are one of the main reasons York missed it's pollution targets. Also just to show how anti car you are you are putting some charging points in P&R? So there you have it. If it has more than 2 wheels Mr Merrett does not want it in the city.[/p][/quote]Some stupid logic in there.... if buses were nearly empty then why is First York currently in the process of passing it's 2001/2002 registered buses off to other towns and cities in favour of slightly newer 2005 buses; why has First spent a considerable amount of money on refurbishing 5 Hybrid double deckers (2008 registered) which are due for York soon; why has First spent a considerable amount of money on 6 all-electric single decker buses; why has Transdev spent out to buy an all-electric bus; why has Arriva just spent several hundred thousand pounds on low-emission brand new locally-built minibuses for council-tendered services?? Open your eyes man, bus ridership in York is increasing - and this comes down to the rising cost of private motoring coupled with congestion which is reaching crippling levels: and this is NOT just in places related to Lendal Bridge - this includes the Fulford Road, Wigginton Road, Holgate, and so on. Because this city is ancient, new roads in the centre simply cannot be built (not unless they were tunnelled under from one side to the other) - and so that means existing city centre road capacity is now at a premium... so think about this: if there's 10 meters of road within a highly congested area, what is the most efficient use of it: (a) 3 cars, carrying at the very most 21 people (assuming each car is a Volvo XC90 7-seater at full capacity, which is highly unlikely)), or (b) a double decker bus carrying 80 people...? I am not thinking anti-car per se, as there are journeys and circumstances where private vehicles are compulsory - but the winds of change are blowing, and they're not in favour of Jonny Motorist. -- It's worth noting that there is a charging point being installed at the Sports Village, but it will be in use for 30 minutes early afternoon each day for the all-electric minibus that Transdev is going to be using on the university campus... likewise at the Poppleton park and ride site, First York's electric buses will likely use a charging point there at staggered times throughout each day.[/p][/quote]The first resort of the minority campaigner - name calling (stupid) I drive around with my eyes open and as I have a lot of time whilst sitting in council created queues, can quite happily and safely count the numbers of people on buses so must conclude that if you say bus usage is increasing then there must be a terrible lot more of the pollution and congestion creating vehicles about. Or are you quoting the recent numbers the council came up with when the new student term started? If the city centre road space is at a premium then why are the council saying there is less traffic on it than in 2002 when I could get around ok even though I can tell you there were an awful lot more cars in the city centre then? Why are the bus companies spending so much on greening buses? Incentive payments are currently available to bus operators for using Low Carbon Emission Buses. Public transport support, BSOG and concessionary fare reimbursement for bus services was approximately £2.3 billion in 2011/12. Subsidies account for around 45 per cent of all bus operators’ revenues. (from House of Commons Standard Note:SN1522 4th December 2013) - Now let me have a long hard think about why bus companies would want to do the work described? -------- Money. Yes more of our tax money. Well that and the fact that the council say their buses are one of the main reasons for York missing its pollution targets and also that pollution has risen by up to 48% with no increase in volume of traffic. Doing the maths with numbers like 7 people to each car and 80 on a bus? You find me a normal York bus with 80 people on it outside peak and I will give you a fiver for ever person on it. I would even give you money if you could find a Volvo XC90 7-seater with 7 in it. It clearly states in the article that the charging points are for cars. Now it would be terribly inconvenient if some selfish motorist plugged in their car when the bus came to use it would it not? Anyway all of this is to and froing is a waste. All you need to do is look at google maps satellite view of York to see how remarkably empty York's roads are and if you take into account that the council has closed half of them by making them no-through roads it makes it all the more remarkable that the ones that are open are so little used. The only place you see any real traffic is at the council created pinch points (York councils anti car bullying stations) The only wind of change here, judging by the comments and letters in the press and talking to real people in the real world of York (or is it Disney Land York now) is the wind created by minority campaigners and that of the score changing which goes on on this site by some other minority campaigner who seems to believe that everyone is stupid!!! I seem to have come full circle here?. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -17

8:12am Mon 3 Feb 14

YorkPatrol says...

perplexed wrote:
YorkPatrol wrote:
york_chap wrote: It amazes me what the government and local authorities wantonly waste their money on, whilst core services such as the NHS are being told to cut back. First it was half a million pounds to concrete-over King's Square (which was widely unpopular and totally unnecessary), now it's a quarter of a million pounds to put up some electric car plugs (again unnecessary in York) . How many nurses or beat-bobbies could that money have paid for, or potholes repaired, or what about care services for the elderly? Perhaps a few quid might even have been left over to put salt in the salt-bins or fix faulty street lights. I suppose those options aren't fashionable though, nor do they cater to tourists......but everyone's allowed to dream.
That's Labour for you - Everything they touch turns to...........
Does not the money come from the Department for Transport who presumably awarded it in the first place rather than making it available for the roads, NHS etc ? Thats the Government for you!
No.. your wrong. Sorry
[quote][p][bold]perplexed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YorkPatrol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]york_chap[/bold] wrote: It amazes me what the government and local authorities wantonly waste their money on, whilst core services such as the NHS are being told to cut back. First it was half a million pounds to concrete-over King's Square (which was widely unpopular and totally unnecessary), now it's a quarter of a million pounds to put up some electric car plugs (again unnecessary in York) . How many nurses or beat-bobbies could that money have paid for, or potholes repaired, or what about care services for the elderly? Perhaps a few quid might even have been left over to put salt in the salt-bins or fix faulty street lights. I suppose those options aren't fashionable though, nor do they cater to tourists......but everyone's allowed to dream.[/p][/quote]That's Labour for you - Everything they touch turns to...........[/p][/quote]Does not the money come from the Department for Transport who presumably awarded it in the first place rather than making it available for the roads, NHS etc ? Thats the Government for you![/p][/quote]No.. your wrong. Sorry YorkPatrol
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