York fare-dodging figures revealed

York Press: York fare-dodging figures revealed York fare-dodging figures revealed

A CRACKDOWN has been launched after York was highlighted as a hotspot for rail fare-dodgers.

Northern Rail said the journey where most people in the region try to travel without paying is between York and Leeds, and has released two online videos as well as posters at stations and on trains showing two scenarios where a person takes something for free.

Across North Yorkshire, 287 passengers were caught travelling without valid tickets on Northern Rail services last year, with 68 of those journeys starting in York and 62 from Harrogate.

Both these stations have staffed ticket offices, ticket machines or both.

“We know from talking to our customers that they have a real problem when they see others not paying for their journey,” said Northern Rail’s managing director Alex Hynes.

“We don’t want to see passengers get into trouble and want to make sure they understand the implications of taking a free ride.

“The videos show two situations which we know people wouldn’t do and show that not paying for a train ticket is the same, so why do it?”

Mr Hynes said excuses for fare-dodging included not having money or that a conductor did not come down the train to sell them one, but it was a passenger’s responsibility to buy a ticket.

“We know some of our smaller stations have limited opportunities to buy tickets, and we are investing in new facilities and carrying out independent surveys to gain information on how our customers want to purchase tickets,” he said.

“However, the highest number of journeys made without paying started at stations with open ticket offices and ticket vending machines.”

The videos can be seen at northernrail.org/getaticket.

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3:59pm Thu 30 Jan 14

TCJYork says...

Those poor loss making train companies, how do they survive with all this fare dodging going on?
Those poor loss making train companies, how do they survive with all this fare dodging going on? TCJYork
  • Score: -12

4:24pm Thu 30 Jan 14

BigJon says...

Watch this space....you can guarantee that soon there will be another article about the train companies wanting to install barriers in York station again and these figures will be the basis of their argument...
Watch this space....you can guarantee that soon there will be another article about the train companies wanting to install barriers in York station again and these figures will be the basis of their argument... BigJon
  • Score: 33

4:37pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

BigJon wrote:
Watch this space....you can guarantee that soon there will be another article about the train companies wanting to install barriers in York station again and these figures will be the basis of their argument...
I agree. Rather than this, and if Northern has been able to identify the routes so specifically, they should do revenue inspection swoops like the Tyne & Wear Metro used to do. Scare the living daylights out of the perpetrators and fine them heavily. After all, they're not getting off at Leeds, are they?

But barriers are only half effective. Those at Newcastle railway station, are only used at peak times and Kings Cross has abandoned them. If, perish the thought, barriers ARE installed at York, can we have the re-introduction of the platform ticket? 5p, to go to a railway charity?
[quote][p][bold]BigJon[/bold] wrote: Watch this space....you can guarantee that soon there will be another article about the train companies wanting to install barriers in York station again and these figures will be the basis of their argument...[/p][/quote]I agree. Rather than this, and if Northern has been able to identify the routes so specifically, they should do revenue inspection swoops like the Tyne & Wear Metro used to do. Scare the living daylights out of the perpetrators and fine them heavily. After all, they're not getting off at Leeds, are they? But barriers are only half effective. Those at Newcastle railway station, are only used at peak times and Kings Cross has abandoned them. If, perish the thought, barriers ARE installed at York, can we have the re-introduction of the platform ticket? 5p, to go to a railway charity? Ignatius Lumpopo
  • Score: -7

4:48pm Thu 30 Jan 14

MouseHouse says...

BigJon has it right. Ugly things that create ideal pick-pocket opportunities and delays.

No to barriers, and yes to creating more jobs checking tickets on the trains.
BigJon has it right. Ugly things that create ideal pick-pocket opportunities and delays. No to barriers, and yes to creating more jobs checking tickets on the trains. MouseHouse
  • Score: -10

5:24pm Thu 30 Jan 14

TheTruthHurts says...

I have never dodged a fare in my life, although there are occasions when i havent paid.

ie if i arrive at the station with the train waiting on the platform (thanks first buses) and jump on the train rather than miss it. Then there is no inspector who comes down thats not really my fault is it.

One time though i will confess that i travelled from bewick to york with work not once did an inspector come down and then when getting off managed to blag a ticket off another passenger to put in for expenses :-)

Lock me up and throw away the key
I have never dodged a fare in my life, although there are occasions when i havent paid. ie if i arrive at the station with the train waiting on the platform (thanks first buses) and jump on the train rather than miss it. Then there is no inspector who comes down thats not really my fault is it. One time though i will confess that i travelled from bewick to york with work not once did an inspector come down and then when getting off managed to blag a ticket off another passenger to put in for expenses :-) Lock me up and throw away the key TheTruthHurts
  • Score: -38

5:44pm Thu 30 Jan 14

CaroleBaines says...

I occasionally get on that line from one of the unstaffed stations. Quite often no ticket collector comes before the train gets into York. A pain because you then have to queue up for a return ticket as getting on without at York is illegal (staffed station = must buy ticket). Come on Northern - think about getting your conductors to do a bit of graft before you accuse customers.
I occasionally get on that line from one of the unstaffed stations. Quite often no ticket collector comes before the train gets into York. A pain because you then have to queue up for a return ticket as getting on without at York is illegal (staffed station = must buy ticket). Come on Northern - think about getting your conductors to do a bit of graft before you accuse customers. CaroleBaines
  • Score: -24

5:44pm Thu 30 Jan 14

ouseswimmer says...

Manned ticket office? Yes if you say so but one person selling tickets with 30 waiting to buy is hardly manned.
Manned ticket office? Yes if you say so but one person selling tickets with 30 waiting to buy is hardly manned. ouseswimmer
  • Score: -32

5:55pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Igiveinthen says...

BigJon wrote:
Watch this space....you can guarantee that soon there will be another article about the train companies wanting to install barriers in York station again and these figures will be the basis of their argument...
Just what I was thinking as well as soon as I read the article!
[quote][p][bold]BigJon[/bold] wrote: Watch this space....you can guarantee that soon there will be another article about the train companies wanting to install barriers in York station again and these figures will be the basis of their argument...[/p][/quote]Just what I was thinking as well as soon as I read the article! Igiveinthen
  • Score: 2

5:56pm Thu 30 Jan 14

WhyEver says...

Wow, if 68 faredodgers a year makes York a 'hotspot' then either Northern has very honest passengers, or they don't put a lot of effort into catching people.
Wow, if 68 faredodgers a year makes York a 'hotspot' then either Northern has very honest passengers, or they don't put a lot of effort into catching people. WhyEver
  • Score: 17

6:00pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Daisy75 says...

Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:
BigJon wrote:
Watch this space....you can guarantee that soon there will be another article about the train companies wanting to install barriers in York station again and these figures will be the basis of their argument...
I agree. Rather than this, and if Northern has been able to identify the routes so specifically, they should do revenue inspection swoops like the Tyne & Wear Metro used to do. Scare the living daylights out of the perpetrators and fine them heavily. After all, they're not getting off at Leeds, are they?

But barriers are only half effective. Those at Newcastle railway station, are only used at peak times and Kings Cross has abandoned them. If, perish the thought, barriers ARE installed at York, can we have the re-introduction of the platform ticket? 5p, to go to a railway charity?
Kings Cross have abandoned them? Since when? I've been down there a lot recently and they've always been up and working, plus if your ticket doesn't work there is a guard scrutinising your ticket like you are trying to pull a fast one. Though I'm all in favour of them getting rid...
[quote][p][bold]Ignatius Lumpopo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BigJon[/bold] wrote: Watch this space....you can guarantee that soon there will be another article about the train companies wanting to install barriers in York station again and these figures will be the basis of their argument...[/p][/quote]I agree. Rather than this, and if Northern has been able to identify the routes so specifically, they should do revenue inspection swoops like the Tyne & Wear Metro used to do. Scare the living daylights out of the perpetrators and fine them heavily. After all, they're not getting off at Leeds, are they? But barriers are only half effective. Those at Newcastle railway station, are only used at peak times and Kings Cross has abandoned them. If, perish the thought, barriers ARE installed at York, can we have the re-introduction of the platform ticket? 5p, to go to a railway charity?[/p][/quote]Kings Cross have abandoned them? Since when? I've been down there a lot recently and they've always been up and working, plus if your ticket doesn't work there is a guard scrutinising your ticket like you are trying to pull a fast one. Though I'm all in favour of them getting rid... Daisy75
  • Score: 8

6:23pm Thu 30 Jan 14

CynicaloldGit says...

"Northern Rail said the journey where most people in the region try to travel without paying is between York and Leeds"..............
........

Hang on a minute. Last time I travelled to Leeds on the train, I seem to remember that Leeds had barriers............
..so how can you travel from York without a ticket to Leeds and not get caught at the barrier........and of course, the reverse is also true, how can you not buy a ticket at Leeds go through the barrier and get off at York without paying?.........Have they taken away the barriers and checks at Leeds?
"Northern Rail said the journey where most people in the region try to travel without paying is between York and Leeds".............. ........ Hang on a minute. Last time I travelled to Leeds on the train, I seem to remember that Leeds had barriers............ ..so how can you travel from York without a ticket to Leeds and not get caught at the barrier........and of course, the reverse is also true, how can you not buy a ticket at Leeds go through the barrier and get off at York without paying?.........Have they taken away the barriers and checks at Leeds? CynicaloldGit
  • Score: 14

6:30pm Thu 30 Jan 14

tony canham boots says...

Kings Cross haven't abandoned their barriers, east coast trains just said that the money they made from people travelling without tickets stopped at the barriers, didn't cover the cost of staffing them....
Kings Cross haven't abandoned their barriers, east coast trains just said that the money they made from people travelling without tickets stopped at the barriers, didn't cover the cost of staffing them.... tony canham boots
  • Score: 9

6:32pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Pinza-C55 says...

TheTruthHurts wrote:
I have never dodged a fare in my life, although there are occasions when i havent paid.

ie if i arrive at the station with the train waiting on the platform (thanks first buses) and jump on the train rather than miss it. Then there is no inspector who comes down thats not really my fault is it.

One time though i will confess that i travelled from bewick to york with work not once did an inspector come down and then when getting off managed to blag a ticket off another passenger to put in for expenses :-)

Lock me up and throw away the key
and then when getting off managed to blag a ticket off another passenger to put in for expenses :-)

Lock me up and throw away the key

A large fine or community service would suffice.
[quote][p][bold]TheTruthHurts[/bold] wrote: I have never dodged a fare in my life, although there are occasions when i havent paid. ie if i arrive at the station with the train waiting on the platform (thanks first buses) and jump on the train rather than miss it. Then there is no inspector who comes down thats not really my fault is it. One time though i will confess that i travelled from bewick to york with work not once did an inspector come down and then when getting off managed to blag a ticket off another passenger to put in for expenses :-) Lock me up and throw away the key[/p][/quote]and then when getting off managed to blag a ticket off another passenger to put in for expenses :-) Lock me up and throw away the key A large fine or community service would suffice. Pinza-C55
  • Score: 6

2:37am Fri 31 Jan 14

Magicman! says...

There have been times where I have been heavily delayed, usually due to poor synchronisation of traffic lights, and have had to just jump on the train - in such cases I know there is a liklihood of having to pay slightly more than if I'd bought a ticket in the ticket office, but I think of it as an extra few pence to be on the train I wanted to be on as opposed to waiting another hour for the next one (ie Hull, Harrogate or Blackpool trains) - in some cases, such as connecting at Manchester for a train to the lake district, not getting on that one train at York can set the rest of the day back by up to 5 hours.

What really annoys me though is when I have bought a ticket and then I watch somebody get on at an unstaffed station and then they immediately pretend to fall asleep, only to suddenly be alert again after the conductor has gone past... or that the conductor comes along asking for tickets and the person in question just sinks low down in the seat and looks away so the conductor doesn't spot them. But just as annoying is if I buy a ticket and it goes unchecked, regardless of the length of journey... it might just be a hop from Leeds to York (the unchecked ticket leaving a sour taste in my mouth because I know I could have got a ticket to Headingley to get through the barriers and then got a trian to York), or it could be a journey to Newcastle or Beyond - if I have a ticket that expires on that day then it is only right that it should be checked.
There have been times where I have been heavily delayed, usually due to poor synchronisation of traffic lights, and have had to just jump on the train - in such cases I know there is a liklihood of having to pay slightly more than if I'd bought a ticket in the ticket office, but I think of it as an extra few pence to be on the train I wanted to be on as opposed to waiting another hour for the next one (ie Hull, Harrogate or Blackpool trains) - in some cases, such as connecting at Manchester for a train to the lake district, not getting on that one train at York can set the rest of the day back by up to 5 hours. What really annoys me though is when I have bought a ticket and then I watch somebody get on at an unstaffed station and then they immediately pretend to fall asleep, only to suddenly be alert again after the conductor has gone past... or that the conductor comes along asking for tickets and the person in question just sinks low down in the seat and looks away so the conductor doesn't spot them. But just as annoying is if I buy a ticket and it goes unchecked, regardless of the length of journey... it might just be a hop from Leeds to York (the unchecked ticket leaving a sour taste in my mouth because I know I could have got a ticket to Headingley to get through the barriers and then got a trian to York), or it could be a journey to Newcastle or Beyond - if I have a ticket that expires on that day then it is only right that it should be checked. Magicman!
  • Score: 0

8:43am Fri 31 Jan 14

the original Homer says...

Those numbers don't tell us the true picture. One ticket dodger every 6 days is hardly wirth bothering about.
I suspect they are useless at detection though and the real number is much hgher.
Checks at each end of the journey (barriers) are not the answer. I know people who used to buy season tickets covering the very first and very last bits of their commute. One ticket got them onto the platform at the start and the other ticket got them through the barrier at the other end. They never paid for the main part of the journey, knowing the only checks were at the stations.
The answer is onboard ticket checks. Modern technology can make this fast and efficient, and can also prevent the "tradiional" ruses of hiding in toilets, pretending to be asleep, pretending to have already been checked etc.
Let's hope this isn't a precursor to "we need the barriers back".
Those numbers don't tell us the true picture. One ticket dodger every 6 days is hardly wirth bothering about. I suspect they are useless at detection though and the real number is much hgher. Checks at each end of the journey (barriers) are not the answer. I know people who used to buy season tickets covering the very first and very last bits of their commute. One ticket got them onto the platform at the start and the other ticket got them through the barrier at the other end. They never paid for the main part of the journey, knowing the only checks were at the stations. The answer is onboard ticket checks. Modern technology can make this fast and efficient, and can also prevent the "tradiional" ruses of hiding in toilets, pretending to be asleep, pretending to have already been checked etc. Let's hope this isn't a precursor to "we need the barriers back". the original Homer
  • Score: 8

10:29am Fri 31 Jan 14

YorkPatrol says...

Magicman! wrote:
There have been times where I have been heavily delayed, usually due to poor synchronisation of traffic lights, and have had to just jump on the train - in such cases I know there is a liklihood of having to pay slightly more than if I'd bought a ticket in the ticket office, but I think of it as an extra few pence to be on the train I wanted to be on as opposed to waiting another hour for the next one (ie Hull, Harrogate or Blackpool trains) - in some cases, such as connecting at Manchester for a train to the lake district, not getting on that one train at York can set the rest of the day back by up to 5 hours. What really annoys me though is when I have bought a ticket and then I watch somebody get on at an unstaffed station and then they immediately pretend to fall asleep, only to suddenly be alert again after the conductor has gone past... or that the conductor comes along asking for tickets and the person in question just sinks low down in the seat and looks away so the conductor doesn't spot them. But just as annoying is if I buy a ticket and it goes unchecked, regardless of the length of journey... it might just be a hop from Leeds to York (the unchecked ticket leaving a sour taste in my mouth because I know I could have got a ticket to Headingley to get through the barriers and then got a trian to York), or it could be a journey to Newcastle or Beyond - if I have a ticket that expires on that day then it is only right that it should be checked.
Instead of just sitting there like a gormless fool, why don’t you alert the conductor to these fair dodgers as no doubt you’ll be one of the people moaning when fairs go up due to lost revenue or station barriers installed at York??..

Do you always watch crimes being committed under your nose never to intervene or call the authorities?
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: There have been times where I have been heavily delayed, usually due to poor synchronisation of traffic lights, and have had to just jump on the train - in such cases I know there is a liklihood of having to pay slightly more than if I'd bought a ticket in the ticket office, but I think of it as an extra few pence to be on the train I wanted to be on as opposed to waiting another hour for the next one (ie Hull, Harrogate or Blackpool trains) - in some cases, such as connecting at Manchester for a train to the lake district, not getting on that one train at York can set the rest of the day back by up to 5 hours. What really annoys me though is when I have bought a ticket and then I watch somebody get on at an unstaffed station and then they immediately pretend to fall asleep, only to suddenly be alert again after the conductor has gone past... or that the conductor comes along asking for tickets and the person in question just sinks low down in the seat and looks away so the conductor doesn't spot them. But just as annoying is if I buy a ticket and it goes unchecked, regardless of the length of journey... it might just be a hop from Leeds to York (the unchecked ticket leaving a sour taste in my mouth because I know I could have got a ticket to Headingley to get through the barriers and then got a trian to York), or it could be a journey to Newcastle or Beyond - if I have a ticket that expires on that day then it is only right that it should be checked.[/p][/quote]Instead of just sitting there like a gormless fool, why don’t you alert the conductor to these fair dodgers as no doubt you’ll be one of the people moaning when fairs go up due to lost revenue or station barriers installed at York??.. Do you always watch crimes being committed under your nose never to intervene or call the authorities? YorkPatrol
  • Score: 0

1:07pm Fri 31 Jan 14

mags1968 says...

CaroleBaines wrote:
I occasionally get on that line from one of the unstaffed stations. Quite often no ticket collector comes before the train gets into York. A pain because you then have to queue up for a return ticket as getting on without at York is illegal (staffed station = must buy ticket). Come on Northern - think about getting your conductors to do a bit of graft before you accuse customers.
maybe caroline should read up on the conductors role ! they have to release the doors at each station which can only be done at the back of most trains(some stations are four minutes apart) if people had the correct ticket ready from the dozens they like to keep in their wallets the conductor would have more time to check tickets in between stations ! so instead of implying conductors are lazy take it out on the train companies who should employ more ticket inspectors( whose only role is to check tickets) at stations and to help out on rush hour trains.
[quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: I occasionally get on that line from one of the unstaffed stations. Quite often no ticket collector comes before the train gets into York. A pain because you then have to queue up for a return ticket as getting on without at York is illegal (staffed station = must buy ticket). Come on Northern - think about getting your conductors to do a bit of graft before you accuse customers.[/p][/quote]maybe caroline should read up on the conductors role ! they have to release the doors at each station which can only be done at the back of most trains(some stations are four minutes apart) if people had the correct ticket ready from the dozens they like to keep in their wallets the conductor would have more time to check tickets in between stations ! so instead of implying conductors are lazy take it out on the train companies who should employ more ticket inspectors( whose only role is to check tickets) at stations and to help out on rush hour trains. mags1968
  • Score: 4

1:19pm Fri 31 Jan 14

AM4472 says...

My wife travels daily from Poppleton to Harrogate, many times the conductor does not sell or ask to see tickets until Knaresborough and quite often not until Harrogate. Many do not buy tickets because they know this is the case.
My wife travels daily from Poppleton to Harrogate, many times the conductor does not sell or ask to see tickets until Knaresborough and quite often not until Harrogate. Many do not buy tickets because they know this is the case. AM4472
  • Score: 1

4:16pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Caecilius says...

According to Northern Rail's website, 89.6 million passengers have travelled with them. With that deliberate vagueness about figures so beloved of TOCs, they don't say over what period but the implication is that it's over 12 consecutive months. In that context, 287 passengers caught without tickets in North Yorkshire amounts to a level of fraud that's next to nothing. Less than one in every three million journeys, in fact . OK, the 89 million figure is for the whole Northern Rail network but you get the idea. TOCs are fond of doing this - trying to compensate for their own shortcomings by going onto the attack with hyped-up figures supposedly demonstrating how we're robbing them. It was the strategy that WAGN adopted, for example, when their services went into meltdown after the Potters Bar crash. The suggestion that it's the customer's responsibility to go hunting for a Northern Rail employee who can't be bothered, or who hasn't got time, to walk the length of a small, local train to sell tickets is par for the course - "it's the customer's fault if our own staff don't/can't do their job".

And yes, they want barriers. Why? Because barriers reinforce what they think the relationship should be between them and their "customers". They don't want people getting the idea that TOCs are just a business like any other, and that customers should complain about poor service as a matter of course. They want it made clear that they're in charge, we do what they tell us and anyone challenging the excuses (if any) or put-downs of their staff when the business is failing to deliver what's been paid for is liable to be accused of "abuse".
According to Northern Rail's website, 89.6 million passengers have travelled with them. With that deliberate vagueness about figures so beloved of TOCs, they don't say over what period but the implication is that it's over 12 consecutive months. In that context, 287 passengers caught without tickets in North Yorkshire amounts to a level of fraud that's next to nothing. Less than one in every three million journeys, in fact . OK, the 89 million figure is for the whole Northern Rail network but you get the idea. TOCs are fond of doing this - trying to compensate for their own shortcomings by going onto the attack with hyped-up figures supposedly demonstrating how we're robbing them. It was the strategy that WAGN adopted, for example, when their services went into meltdown after the Potters Bar crash. The suggestion that it's the customer's responsibility to go hunting for a Northern Rail employee who can't be bothered, or who hasn't got time, to walk the length of a small, local train to sell tickets is par for the course - "it's the customer's fault if our own staff don't/can't do their job". And yes, they want barriers. Why? Because barriers reinforce what they think the relationship should be between them and their "customers". They don't want people getting the idea that TOCs are just a business like any other, and that customers should complain about poor service as a matter of course. They want it made clear that they're in charge, we do what they tell us and anyone challenging the excuses (if any) or put-downs of their staff when the business is failing to deliver what's been paid for is liable to be accused of "abuse". Caecilius
  • Score: 3

7:50pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Poppy01 says...

The train company has only itself to blame. I often travel between York and harrogate and can confirm that the train guard / conductor does not check tickets, he sits in his cab and does not check people getting on the train at intermediate stations. There are only two carriages so it baffles me as to why I am never asked to pay!
The train company has only itself to blame. I often travel between York and harrogate and can confirm that the train guard / conductor does not check tickets, he sits in his cab and does not check people getting on the train at intermediate stations. There are only two carriages so it baffles me as to why I am never asked to pay! Poppy01
  • Score: 2

7:53pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Poppy01 says...

The train company has only itself to blame. I often travel between Poppleton and harrogate and can confirm that the train guard / conductor does not check tickets, he sits in his cab and does not check people getting on the train at intermediate stations. There are only two carriages so it baffles me as to why I am never asked to pay!
The train company has only itself to blame. I often travel between Poppleton and harrogate and can confirm that the train guard / conductor does not check tickets, he sits in his cab and does not check people getting on the train at intermediate stations. There are only two carriages so it baffles me as to why I am never asked to pay! Poppy01
  • Score: 0

2:51am Sat 1 Feb 14

Magicman! says...

YorkPatrol wrote:
Magicman! wrote:
There have been times where I have been heavily delayed, usually due to poor synchronisation of traffic lights, and have had to just jump on the train - in such cases I know there is a liklihood of having to pay slightly more than if I'd bought a ticket in the ticket office, but I think of it as an extra few pence to be on the train I wanted to be on as opposed to waiting another hour for the next one (ie Hull, Harrogate or Blackpool trains) - in some cases, such as connecting at Manchester for a train to the lake district, not getting on that one train at York can set the rest of the day back by up to 5 hours. What really annoys me though is when I have bought a ticket and then I watch somebody get on at an unstaffed station and then they immediately pretend to fall asleep, only to suddenly be alert again after the conductor has gone past... or that the conductor comes along asking for tickets and the person in question just sinks low down in the seat and looks away so the conductor doesn't spot them. But just as annoying is if I buy a ticket and it goes unchecked, regardless of the length of journey... it might just be a hop from Leeds to York (the unchecked ticket leaving a sour taste in my mouth because I know I could have got a ticket to Headingley to get through the barriers and then got a trian to York), or it could be a journey to Newcastle or Beyond - if I have a ticket that expires on that day then it is only right that it should be checked.
Instead of just sitting there like a gormless fool, why don’t you alert the conductor to these fair dodgers as no doubt you’ll be one of the people moaning when fairs go up due to lost revenue or station barriers installed at York??..

Do you always watch crimes being committed under your nose never to intervene or call the authorities?
I do point to the person, the conductor usually just looks and walks on when he sees the person is "asleep". Bear in mind that you have to be careful what you say as you are in a confined space of a moving vehicle with these fare dodgers, and if they take exception to you pointing them out then you could end up in bother. Where possible I will help out onboard staff, but there is also personal safety to consider.
[quote][p][bold]YorkPatrol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: There have been times where I have been heavily delayed, usually due to poor synchronisation of traffic lights, and have had to just jump on the train - in such cases I know there is a liklihood of having to pay slightly more than if I'd bought a ticket in the ticket office, but I think of it as an extra few pence to be on the train I wanted to be on as opposed to waiting another hour for the next one (ie Hull, Harrogate or Blackpool trains) - in some cases, such as connecting at Manchester for a train to the lake district, not getting on that one train at York can set the rest of the day back by up to 5 hours. What really annoys me though is when I have bought a ticket and then I watch somebody get on at an unstaffed station and then they immediately pretend to fall asleep, only to suddenly be alert again after the conductor has gone past... or that the conductor comes along asking for tickets and the person in question just sinks low down in the seat and looks away so the conductor doesn't spot them. But just as annoying is if I buy a ticket and it goes unchecked, regardless of the length of journey... it might just be a hop from Leeds to York (the unchecked ticket leaving a sour taste in my mouth because I know I could have got a ticket to Headingley to get through the barriers and then got a trian to York), or it could be a journey to Newcastle or Beyond - if I have a ticket that expires on that day then it is only right that it should be checked.[/p][/quote]Instead of just sitting there like a gormless fool, why don’t you alert the conductor to these fair dodgers as no doubt you’ll be one of the people moaning when fairs go up due to lost revenue or station barriers installed at York??.. Do you always watch crimes being committed under your nose never to intervene or call the authorities?[/p][/quote]I do point to the person, the conductor usually just looks and walks on when he sees the person is "asleep". Bear in mind that you have to be careful what you say as you are in a confined space of a moving vehicle with these fare dodgers, and if they take exception to you pointing them out then you could end up in bother. Where possible I will help out onboard staff, but there is also personal safety to consider. Magicman!
  • Score: 1

2:54am Sat 1 Feb 14

Magicman! says...

Poppy01 wrote:
The train company has only itself to blame. I often travel between York and harrogate and can confirm that the train guard / conductor does not check tickets, he sits in his cab and does not check people getting on the train at intermediate stations. There are only two carriages so it baffles me as to why I am never asked to pay!
Sometimes you get two of the "rail buses" joined together without a corridor connection, and only one conductor - so unless the conductor is a poltergeist then there's no way everybody on the train would get their tickets checked.
[quote][p][bold]Poppy01[/bold] wrote: The train company has only itself to blame. I often travel between York and harrogate and can confirm that the train guard / conductor does not check tickets, he sits in his cab and does not check people getting on the train at intermediate stations. There are only two carriages so it baffles me as to why I am never asked to pay![/p][/quote]Sometimes you get two of the "rail buses" joined together without a corridor connection, and only one conductor - so unless the conductor is a poltergeist then there's no way everybody on the train would get their tickets checked. Magicman!
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9:11am Sat 1 Feb 14

AM4472 says...

Magicman! wrote:
Poppy01 wrote:
The train company has only itself to blame. I often travel between York and harrogate and can confirm that the train guard / conductor does not check tickets, he sits in his cab and does not check people getting on the train at intermediate stations. There are only two carriages so it baffles me as to why I am never asked to pay!
Sometimes you get two of the "rail buses" joined together without a corridor connection, and only one conductor - so unless the conductor is a poltergeist then there's no way everybody on the train would get their tickets checked.
This very rarely happens and when it does, the attached section is not used so there is nothing to stop the guard/conductor checking tickets.
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Poppy01[/bold] wrote: The train company has only itself to blame. I often travel between York and harrogate and can confirm that the train guard / conductor does not check tickets, he sits in his cab and does not check people getting on the train at intermediate stations. There are only two carriages so it baffles me as to why I am never asked to pay![/p][/quote]Sometimes you get two of the "rail buses" joined together without a corridor connection, and only one conductor - so unless the conductor is a poltergeist then there's no way everybody on the train would get their tickets checked.[/p][/quote]This very rarely happens and when it does, the attached section is not used so there is nothing to stop the guard/conductor checking tickets. AM4472
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