Coffee shop owners willing to open later, but more needs to be done to draw people into York on an evening

York Press: Steve Dyson Steve Dyson

CHEAPER parking and more buses would be needed if York cafés were to persuaded to open in the evenings, owners have said, writes Lewis Pennock.

A survey conducted as part of work to boost York’s evening economy found many people wanted cafés to stay open in the evenings alongside pubs, restaurants and bars.

Local café owners have cautiously welcomed the idea, but say City of York Council would need to play its part in making the move a success.

Jeff Thompson, manager of Coffee Culture in Goodramgate, said: “Business drops at about 4.30pm because most of the people visiting York are day-trippers.

“We would consider extending our hours if the council did things to encourage it, but we do well in the time we are open. Later opening times would also mean arranging shifts – we are open from 7.30am and it would be difficult to open for those sort of hours.”

Michelle Procter, manager of York Cocoa House, in Blake Street, said: “We’ve started an evening programme, opening later on Thursday to try to get more people to come in and take part in some events with the café still being open as usual. We also have a cake club which runs on the first Wednesday of every month with different themes.

“We have considered extending hours through the week and it’s something we’ll consider again when the clocks go back. Free parking would encourage us, but it depends whether those people are going on a night out and want to have a drink. It would be an incentive for people who aren’t drinking, but I think there would need to be events as well.”

Steve Dyson, manager of Spring Espresso in Fossgate, said: “We’re planning on extending our opening hours shortly and opening until at least 7pm, but we wouldn’t really consider much later than that because it mixes into the opening hours of the bars.

"There’s a time for coffee, which maybe isn’t later at night. For us in Fossgate, free parking would be an encouragement because a lot of people park in this area. People could park near the shop to do their shopping and grab a coffee when they return.”

Mark Shenton, owner of La Cremeria in High Petergate, said: “I’d like to open later, but my opening hours are actually restricted because of the nearby church and the upstairs of the property, which also serves as a residence.

“Car parking is terribly priced and even coach drivers are complaining – some of them have to pay for parking and claim it back, and because it can take them two months to do this they are really put off by the prices. Cheaper buses world work, but if you look at the current Park&Ride service, people are complaining because of the queues. There need to be more buses.”

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10:02am Tue 28 Jan 14

Yorkie41 says...

I think that there would have to be a little more policing to convince me.
I think that there would have to be a little more policing to convince me. Yorkie41

10:04am Tue 28 Jan 14

Yorkie41 says...

I think that there would have to be a little more Policing to convince me.
I think that there would have to be a little more Policing to convince me. Yorkie41

10:24am Tue 28 Jan 14

inthesticks says...

£4.50 return from Boroughbridge Road! Exactly.
£4.50 return from Boroughbridge Road! Exactly. inthesticks

10:48am Tue 28 Jan 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

inthesticks wrote:
£4.50 return from Boroughbridge Road! Exactly.
Subsidised parking and busses to pay full price for a coffee, no thanks.

inthesticks:
£4.50 return from Boroughbridge Road + Coffee £2.50 annualised = £300 (50 weeks). Thats 2.5 years Vehicle Excise Duty or 225.39 litres of diesel. You see buying coffee does not put bread on the table and I need fuel (more of it in York) to make a living, easy choice for me.

You might be better trying to keep the visitor customer base longer (after 4:30) rather than create a whole new customer base. After all attracting the inconsequential motorists to the City with mobile wallet seems to be the last thing YCC would want.

I would not support any action that reduces council revenue or increases costs, after all services are being cut.
[quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: £4.50 return from Boroughbridge Road! Exactly.[/p][/quote]Subsidised parking and busses to pay full price for a coffee, no thanks. inthesticks: £4.50 return from Boroughbridge Road + Coffee £2.50 annualised = £300 (50 weeks). Thats 2.5 years Vehicle Excise Duty or 225.39 litres of diesel. You see buying coffee does not put bread on the table and I need fuel (more of it in York) to make a living, easy choice for me. You might be better trying to keep the visitor customer base longer (after 4:30) rather than create a whole new customer base. After all attracting the inconsequential motorists to the City with mobile wallet seems to be the last thing YCC would want. I would not support any action that reduces council revenue or increases costs, after all services are being cut. YOUWILLDOASISAY

10:49am Tue 28 Jan 14

notmyrealname says...

How would any genuine tourists want to relax with a coffee in the human zoo that goes on in the City Centre at weekends. First we need a restriction on the number of bars.
How would any genuine tourists want to relax with a coffee in the human zoo that goes on in the City Centre at weekends. First we need a restriction on the number of bars. notmyrealname

11:28am Tue 28 Jan 14

tobefair says...

Just imagine all those stag and hen parties coming to York for a coffee shop crawl.
Just imagine all those stag and hen parties coming to York for a coffee shop crawl. tobefair

11:52am Tue 28 Jan 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

"There need to be more buses.”

are you kidding! we have a bus for every route going that all have about 5 people on! all they do is block up the roads and cause traffic mayhem. They should be a cut ! no wonder everyone is getting fat... people need to remember legs are good for walking or dare i say even biking. (thats for you paul)
"There need to be more buses.” are you kidding! we have a bus for every route going that all have about 5 people on! all they do is block up the roads and cause traffic mayhem. They should be a cut ! no wonder everyone is getting fat... people need to remember legs are good for walking or dare i say even biking. (thats for you paul) Archiebold the 1st

2:02pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Can't all be wrong says...

The city is dead between 5-7pm, and always will be based on the economic model that prevails. Low wage employment means workers don't have the disposable income to hang around in the early evening, tourists are going home or off to their hotels, parents off to sort out their kids, all before the hen and stag brigade take over the streets to the total exclusion of everyone else.
The city is dead between 5-7pm, and always will be based on the economic model that prevails. Low wage employment means workers don't have the disposable income to hang around in the early evening, tourists are going home or off to their hotels, parents off to sort out their kids, all before the hen and stag brigade take over the streets to the total exclusion of everyone else. Can't all be wrong

2:31pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Kiwi2 says...

I'd really like it if coffee shops were open a little later. It's not easy to go out in town easily (buses stop running too early) but it would be great to be able to meet up with friends' after work for a coffee before heading home. We've been caught out a few times with trying to meet at our favourite coffee haunts, and have ended up heading to City Screen.... which seems to do really well out of the 5-7pm market
I'd really like it if coffee shops were open a little later. It's not easy to go out in town easily (buses stop running too early) but it would be great to be able to meet up with friends' after work for a coffee before heading home. We've been caught out a few times with trying to meet at our favourite coffee haunts, and have ended up heading to City Screen.... which seems to do really well out of the 5-7pm market Kiwi2

3:01pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Platform9 says...

Coffee Shops is about all thats left in the city centre
Coffee Shops is about all thats left in the city centre Platform9

4:19pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Pedro says...

The bus drivers claim for parking and then park for free on Knavesmire Road!
The bus drivers claim for parking and then park for free on Knavesmire Road! Pedro

4:39pm Tue 28 Jan 14

meme says...

what we need are events that would encourage people to visit York in the early evening for reasons other than drinking
some ideas
spring/summer .....How about a flower festival?
summer......lots on but some needs retiming to take up more of the day. triathlon in city centre using Ouse for swimming, centre for cycling and knavesmire for running? festivals of music in squares i.e. kings sq/st Sampson sq etc. what can river be used for? canoeing races? Roman barges/Victorian ships he more outrageous the better
autumn... Halloween week? cycling events in City. How about an off road MTB course in city centre square. Motorcycling trials in museum gardens. classic car shows in centre
Winter ...already good with winter fairs
Others will also have ideas. The more events the better getting people here from all over the country
what we need are events that would encourage people to visit York in the early evening for reasons other than drinking some ideas spring/summer .....How about a flower festival? summer......lots on but some needs retiming to take up more of the day. triathlon in city centre using Ouse for swimming, centre for cycling and knavesmire for running? festivals of music in squares i.e. kings sq/st Sampson sq etc. what can river be used for? canoeing races? Roman barges/Victorian ships he more outrageous the better autumn... Halloween week? cycling events in City. How about an off road MTB course in city centre square. Motorcycling trials in museum gardens. classic car shows in centre Winter ...already good with winter fairs Others will also have [probably better!] ideas. The more events the better getting people here from all over the country meme

5:30pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Dave Ruddock says...

Agree, 2,3,4 pounds for a cup on hot froffy milk, that goes bt some strange names. come on where not Italy, its York. also give the streets back to the pedestrians not Cafe extentions.

£2.50, you can get jar of coffee, mlk and sugger for 20 coffee drinks, not one tiny cup
Agree, 2,3,4 pounds for a cup on hot froffy milk, that goes bt some strange names. come on where not Italy, its York. also give the streets back to the pedestrians not Cafe extentions. £2.50, you can get jar of coffee, mlk and sugger for 20 coffee drinks, not one tiny cup Dave Ruddock

5:49pm Tue 28 Jan 14

ouseswimmer says...

During the summer town is busy after 5pm with tourists wondering around. It has always surprised me that Starbucks close just as people are looking for a coffee etc. Other coffee shops can easily take advantage of this by opening later. Its just that Goodramgate is never busy for this.
During the summer town is busy after 5pm with tourists wondering around. It has always surprised me that Starbucks close just as people are looking for a coffee etc. Other coffee shops can easily take advantage of this by opening later. Its just that Goodramgate is never busy for this. ouseswimmer

9:29pm Tue 28 Jan 14

dementia says...

Sorry but game over. Central York is for visitors only. All in suburbia have got the message. Any chance of a new Bettys on Monks Cross?
Sorry but game over. Central York is for visitors only. All in suburbia have got the message. Any chance of a new Bettys on Monks Cross? dementia

1:26am Wed 29 Jan 14

Maquis says...

Dave Ruddock wrote:
Agree, 2,3,4 pounds for a cup on hot froffy milk, that goes bt some strange names. come on where not Italy, its York. also give the streets back to the pedestrians not Cafe extentions.

£2.50, you can get jar of coffee, mlk and sugger for 20 coffee drinks, not one tiny cup
Yes and you can get a bucket of water for a few pence, but many people pay £10-£15 for a window cleaner.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Ruddock[/bold] wrote: Agree, 2,3,4 pounds for a cup on hot froffy milk, that goes bt some strange names. come on where not Italy, its York. also give the streets back to the pedestrians not Cafe extentions. £2.50, you can get jar of coffee, mlk and sugger for 20 coffee drinks, not one tiny cup[/p][/quote]Yes and you can get a bucket of water for a few pence, but many people pay £10-£15 for a window cleaner. Maquis

5:14pm Wed 29 Jan 14

eurosteve says...

York is for tourists in the daytime hours

and for drunken yobs on an evening

cant imagine them sipping a latte with a good book for an hour before wandering around swearing at people and looking for a fight .........
York is for tourists in the daytime hours and for drunken yobs on an evening cant imagine them sipping a latte with a good book for an hour before wandering around swearing at people and looking for a fight ......... eurosteve

5:38pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Maquis says...

eurosteve wrote:
York is for tourists in the daytime hours

and for drunken yobs on an evening

cant imagine them sipping a latte with a good book for an hour before wandering around swearing at people and looking for a fight .........
What a stupid bigoted comment.
[quote][p][bold]eurosteve[/bold] wrote: York is for tourists in the daytime hours and for drunken yobs on an evening cant imagine them sipping a latte with a good book for an hour before wandering around swearing at people and looking for a fight .........[/p][/quote]What a stupid bigoted comment. Maquis

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