UPDATED: Free parking boost for York shoppers

Free city-centre parking day for York

Free city-centre parking day for York

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FREE car parking for York residents could be extended under plans to bring the city centre to life in the evenings.

A task group wants City of York Council officials to look into making council-run car parks free from 5pm instead of the current 6pm and to keep them open longer. They also call for later Park&Ride services and more late-night shopping.

The group also said cutting city-centre speed limits to 20mph or lower and adding more speed cameras should be considered to make walking and cycling safer, although this issue was not in the group’s original remit and no studies have been carried out.

The task group included Coun Anna Semlyen, a 20mph campaigner who replaced Coun Keith Hyman during the review, as well as Green councillor Andy D’Agorne and Labour councillor Neil Barnes.

The council is looking to improve York’s vibrancy in the evenings, particularly addressing a “lull” between 5pm and 7pm.

The authority announced yesterday that it will scrap charges at 13 car parks for residents and visitors next Saturday as a one-day move to help traders, but the group and city-centre traders have suggested permanent changes.

Nick Brown, managing director of Browns department store, said the authority should introduce pay-on-exit parking and consider making the first two hours of parking free, as Chester has done.

The task group’s recommendations, which will be discussed next week, include further talks with the Coppergate Shopping Centre over late-night shopping. It said the Jorvik Centre and other attractions could support this by opening later, and clothing giant Primark – which is to open in Piccadilly – should be approached so its arrival can be a “catalyst”.

The group said dates for late-night opening by autumn should be fixed and a marketing campaign launched, while transport officials and Park&Ride operators should discuss running later buses and discounts on these days.

City centre car park opening times could also be extended to 8.30pm most days and until 11.30pm on Fridays and Saturdays.

Next Saturday’s free parking covers the car parks in Bishopthorpe Road, Bootham Row, Castle, Castle Mills, Esplanade, Foss Bank, Haymarket, Marygate, Monk Bar, Nunnery Lane, Piccadilly, St George’s Field and Union Terrace.

City council leader James Alexander said this was a quiet time of year for city centre businesses and said the council had promised to work on a parking initiative to help.

David Cox, national councillor for the Federation Of Small Businesses, said the initiative would help small, specialist retailers during a slow trading time.

Meanwhile, Mr Brown said it was still unclear how millions of pounds paid to the council by the developers of the Vangarde Shopping Park at Monks Cross, intended to help the city centre, would be used.

“This money was supposed to act as a defence mechanism for the city centre when it takes an initial hit because of the curiosity value and newness of ‘Monks Cross II’, before settling down,” he said.

He said pay-on-exit car parks would prevent people having to dash back to their car because their parking time was running out, and he said providing two hours’ parking free would help level the playing field between the city-centre and out-of-town shopping centres.

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5:50pm Fri 24 Jan 14

clm058 says...

grovel grovel comes to mind, we f****d up in past so sorry traders
grovel grovel comes to mind, we f****d up in past so sorry traders clm058
  • Score: -49

5:53pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

Just think of all the extra traffic they'll catch coming across Lendal Bridge: "Visit York: A Free Parking Space With Every £60 Ticket".
Just think of all the extra traffic they'll catch coming across Lendal Bridge: "Visit York: A Free Parking Space With Every £60 Ticket". Ignatius Lumpopo
  • Score: -54

5:53pm Fri 24 Jan 14

pedalling paul says...

Be interesting to see the traffic stats after this......how many bus passengers and taxi users might have been inconvenienced by additional holdups. Better by far to offer free Park & Ride into the City. Don't cowtow to Eric Pickles....!
Be interesting to see the traffic stats after this......how many bus passengers and taxi users might have been inconvenienced by additional holdups. Better by far to offer free Park & Ride into the City. Don't cowtow to Eric Pickles....! pedalling paul
  • Score: 46

6:37pm Fri 24 Jan 14

maybejustmaybe says...

I'm off to park in Piccadilly all day because it's going to be the only day I can afford it!
I'm off to park in Piccadilly all day because it's going to be the only day I can afford it! maybejustmaybe
  • Score: -33

7:19pm Fri 24 Jan 14

bloodaxe says...

Shocking ! Profligate waste ! I blame the council, Lendal Bridge, Europe, the government, the environment, bankers, oh anybody. Sorry, what was that again ? Free Parking ? What's the point of a bus pass if you have free parking ? Bah humbug.
Shocking ! Profligate waste ! I blame the council, Lendal Bridge, Europe, the government, the environment, bankers, oh anybody. Sorry, what was that again ? Free Parking ? What's the point of a bus pass if you have free parking ? Bah humbug. bloodaxe
  • Score: 41

9:11pm Fri 24 Jan 14

tracymand says...

I'd have preferred it to be this weekend as it's residents weekend - it would have been nice if the free entry to attractions didn't have a parking charge attached to it - or is the higher income from York residents this weekend paying for the free parking next week?
However I am in support of anything that helps local businesses so maybe it could become a regular thing - the first Saturday of every month for example. this would certainly bring me back to the city centre shopping.
I'd have preferred it to be this weekend as it's residents weekend - it would have been nice if the free entry to attractions didn't have a parking charge attached to it - or is the higher income from York residents this weekend paying for the free parking next week? However I am in support of anything that helps local businesses so maybe it could become a regular thing - the first Saturday of every month for example. this would certainly bring me back to the city centre shopping. tracymand
  • Score: 26

9:54pm Fri 24 Jan 14

strangebuttrue? says...

And once they get you in there they will prove to you how difficult it is to travel into York in a car as happened to me at Christmas when I was stuck going round in circles with many others trying to find a green light to get out again. Must have done 10 miles but they had every angle covered and all routes were blocked so beware.
And once they get you in there they will prove to you how difficult it is to travel into York in a car as happened to me at Christmas when I was stuck going round in circles with many others trying to find a green light to get out again. Must have done 10 miles but they had every angle covered and all routes were blocked so beware. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -35

10:18pm Fri 24 Jan 14

dementia says...

You can park free at Monks Cross every day.
You can park free at Monks Cross every day. dementia
  • Score: -16

1:38am Sat 25 Jan 14

Dave Ruddock says...

bloodaxe says... and i agreem, thou its the council were talking about

Right Hand not knowing what the Left is doing
One stopping traffic the other giving free parking

Carry On York Council - the 9th in the series
bloodaxe says... and i agreem, thou its the council were talking about Right Hand not knowing what the Left is doing One stopping traffic the other giving free parking Carry On York Council - the 9th in the series Dave Ruddock
  • Score: -36

2:41am Sat 25 Jan 14

Magicman! says...

tracymand wrote:
I'd have preferred it to be this weekend as it's residents weekend - it would have been nice if the free entry to attractions didn't have a parking charge attached to it - or is the higher income from York residents this weekend paying for the free parking next week?
However I am in support of anything that helps local businesses so maybe it could become a regular thing - the first Saturday of every month for example. this would certainly bring me back to the city centre shopping.
Yes but that would make too much sense!!

speaking of things that make sense, why not start a new policy "50% off Park and Ride fares upon presentation of a valid YorkCard"..??
[quote][p][bold]tracymand[/bold] wrote: I'd have preferred it to be this weekend as it's residents weekend - it would have been nice if the free entry to attractions didn't have a parking charge attached to it - or is the higher income from York residents this weekend paying for the free parking next week? However I am in support of anything that helps local businesses so maybe it could become a regular thing - the first Saturday of every month for example. this would certainly bring me back to the city centre shopping.[/p][/quote]Yes but that would make too much sense!! speaking of things that make sense, why not start a new policy "50% off Park and Ride fares upon presentation of a valid YorkCard"..?? Magicman!
  • Score: -9

8:04am Sat 25 Jan 14

Starboard22 says...

40,000 plus friends and families of those mugged by York City Council will not be taking advantage of this offer. The damage done by this fiasco is enormous. York has become a national laughing stock. Yet you get this female trying to sell tourism in York. Joke of the year.
40,000 plus friends and families of those mugged by York City Council will not be taking advantage of this offer. The damage done by this fiasco is enormous. York has become a national laughing stock. Yet you get this female trying to sell tourism in York. Joke of the year. Starboard22
  • Score: 12

10:55am Sat 25 Jan 14

Mulgrave says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Be interesting to see the traffic stats after this......how many bus passengers and taxi users might have been inconvenienced by additional holdups. Better by far to offer free Park & Ride into the City. Don't cowtow to Eric Pickles....!
People being chauffeured about in cars being held up by those driving their own - intolarable!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Be interesting to see the traffic stats after this......how many bus passengers and taxi users might have been inconvenienced by additional holdups. Better by far to offer free Park & Ride into the City. Don't cowtow to Eric Pickles....![/p][/quote]People being chauffeured about in cars being held up by those driving their own - intolarable! Mulgrave
  • Score: -14

11:05am Sat 25 Jan 14

Mulgrave says...

Not sure what Anna Semlyen and co mean by "more" speed cameras in the city centre - there are no fixed cameras anywhere in York or North Yorks. We have three vans in the city and county, only recently upped from one, no doubt she has designs to marshall these for her cause.
Not sure what Anna Semlyen and co mean by "more" speed cameras in the city centre - there are no fixed cameras anywhere in York or North Yorks. We have three vans in the city and county, only recently upped from one, no doubt she has designs to marshall these for her cause. Mulgrave
  • Score: -4

11:18am Sat 25 Jan 14

roskoboskovic says...

desperation.as the new shopping centre opening draws ever nearer it may well have dawned on ycc that they need to do something.the strange thing though is that though i ve lived here all my life i no longer care about york city centre as i feel it is not there for me and my like but for visitors and outsiders.
desperation.as the new shopping centre opening draws ever nearer it may well have dawned on ycc that they need to do something.the strange thing though is that though i ve lived here all my life i no longer care about york city centre as i feel it is not there for me and my like but for visitors and outsiders. roskoboskovic
  • Score: -3

11:44am Sat 25 Jan 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Mr Brown: “This money was supposed to act as a defence mechanism for the city centre when it takes an initial hit because of the curiosity value and newness of ‘Monks Cross II’, before settling down,” he said.

Suggesting John Lewis and Mark & Spencer are curiosity merchants is ludicrous. Both businesses are commercially aware and know exactly what they are doing and how to do it, they have also stated in earlier reports that they will reduce the revenue in the city centre by X £millions.

No special parking arrangements required for the out of town shopping centres, built for purpose (fact).

York city centre will be the curiosity and it's managed decline is already assured, offering a sticking plaster for toothache is not going to help. Shoppers will not want to be in the city centre dodging the mobs of drinkers when better served alternatives exist.
Mr Brown: “This money was supposed to act as a defence mechanism for the city centre when it takes an initial hit because of the curiosity value and newness of ‘Monks Cross II’, before settling down,” he said. Suggesting John Lewis and Mark & Spencer are curiosity merchants is ludicrous. Both businesses are commercially aware and know exactly what they are doing and how to do it, they have also stated in earlier reports that they will reduce the revenue in the city centre by X £millions. No special parking arrangements required for the out of town shopping centres, built for purpose (fact). York city centre will be the curiosity and it's managed decline is already assured, offering a sticking plaster for toothache is not going to help. Shoppers will not want to be in the city centre dodging the mobs of drinkers when better served alternatives exist. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -7

12:42pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Mulgrave says...

Mulgrave wrote:
Not sure what Anna Semlyen and co mean by "more" speed cameras in the city centre - there are no fixed cameras anywhere in York or North Yorks. We have three vans in the city and county, only recently upped from one, no doubt she has designs to marshall these for her cause.
...What Anna completely fails to understand by pre-determining the need for costly speed camera enforcement of the 20mph limits she has already decided will be needed in the city centre is that is an admission of their failure to work as intended. All camera deployment is evidence based and not designed to be a part of the design and implementation of a particular scheme, if 20mph limits are not inherently self enforcing, it would be up to the council to make them so through engineering and calming measures. Perhaps you would like to check this out with the Crime Commissioner next time you are inviting her to your Ward meeting Anna.
[quote][p][bold]Mulgrave[/bold] wrote: Not sure what Anna Semlyen and co mean by "more" speed cameras in the city centre - there are no fixed cameras anywhere in York or North Yorks. We have three vans in the city and county, only recently upped from one, no doubt she has designs to marshall these for her cause.[/p][/quote]...What Anna completely fails to understand by pre-determining the need for costly speed camera enforcement of the 20mph limits she has already decided will be needed in the city centre is that is an admission of their failure to work as intended. All camera deployment is evidence based and not designed to be a part of the design and implementation of a particular scheme, if 20mph limits are not inherently self enforcing, it would be up to the council to make them so through engineering and calming measures. Perhaps you would like to check this out with the Crime Commissioner next time you are inviting her to your Ward meeting Anna. Mulgrave
  • Score: 3

12:47pm Sat 25 Jan 14

MorkofYork says...

Anna you are a petty control freak, you had to bring your bitter discrimination into it.
Anna you are a petty control freak, you had to bring your bitter discrimination into it. MorkofYork
  • Score: -34

12:56pm Sat 25 Jan 14

JHardacre says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Be interesting to see the traffic stats after this......how many bus passengers and taxi users might have been inconvenienced by additional holdups. Better by far to offer free Park & Ride into the City. Don't cowtow to Eric Pickles....!
For the first time ever I agree with PP. I'd better go and sit down and take something!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Be interesting to see the traffic stats after this......how many bus passengers and taxi users might have been inconvenienced by additional holdups. Better by far to offer free Park & Ride into the City. Don't cowtow to Eric Pickles....![/p][/quote]For the first time ever I agree with PP. I'd better go and sit down and take something! JHardacre
  • Score: -59

1:02pm Sat 25 Jan 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Mulgrave wrote:
Not sure what Anna Semlyen and co mean by "more" speed cameras in the city centre - there are no fixed cameras anywhere in York or North Yorks. We have three vans in the city and county, only recently upped from one, no doubt she has designs to marshall these for her cause.
Anne is just doing what comes naturally for a 20s plenty campaigner - misleading. She wants us to think there are cameras now.
[quote][p][bold]Mulgrave[/bold] wrote: Not sure what Anna Semlyen and co mean by "more" speed cameras in the city centre - there are no fixed cameras anywhere in York or North Yorks. We have three vans in the city and county, only recently upped from one, no doubt she has designs to marshall these for her cause.[/p][/quote]Anne is just doing what comes naturally for a 20s plenty campaigner - misleading. She wants us to think there are cameras now. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -32

1:28pm Sat 25 Jan 14

naburn says...

particularly addressing a “lull” between 5pm and 7pm. or as we mortals call it tea time..
particularly addressing a “lull” between 5pm and 7pm. or as we mortals call it tea time.. naburn
  • Score: -44

1:52pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Can't all be wrong says...

YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
Mr Brown: “This money was supposed to act as a defence mechanism for the city centre when it takes an initial hit because of the curiosity value and newness of ‘Monks Cross II’, before settling down,” he said.

Suggesting John Lewis and Mark & Spencer are curiosity merchants is ludicrous. Both businesses are commercially aware and know exactly what they are doing and how to do it, they have also stated in earlier reports that they will reduce the revenue in the city centre by X £millions.

No special parking arrangements required for the out of town shopping centres, built for purpose (fact).

York city centre will be the curiosity and it's managed decline is already assured, offering a sticking plaster for toothache is not going to help. Shoppers will not want to be in the city centre dodging the mobs of drinkers when better served alternatives exist.
Couldn't agree more. The whole economic model for York city centre is flawed.
The endless drive to turn it into a low wage hospitality theme park is now beginning to back fire. Tourist don't go shopping in the evenings, they are getting bathed and showered ready for a night out. The residents with their much hated cars go to the out of town facilities, when Sainsbury's opens on the Hull Road the problem will be further compounded. The phrase " reap what you sow" comes to mind.
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: Mr Brown: “This money was supposed to act as a defence mechanism for the city centre when it takes an initial hit because of the curiosity value and newness of ‘Monks Cross II’, before settling down,” he said. Suggesting John Lewis and Mark & Spencer are curiosity merchants is ludicrous. Both businesses are commercially aware and know exactly what they are doing and how to do it, they have also stated in earlier reports that they will reduce the revenue in the city centre by X £millions. No special parking arrangements required for the out of town shopping centres, built for purpose (fact). York city centre will be the curiosity and it's managed decline is already assured, offering a sticking plaster for toothache is not going to help. Shoppers will not want to be in the city centre dodging the mobs of drinkers when better served alternatives exist.[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more. The whole economic model for York city centre is flawed. The endless drive to turn it into a low wage hospitality theme park is now beginning to back fire. Tourist don't go shopping in the evenings, they are getting bathed and showered ready for a night out. The residents with their much hated cars go to the out of town facilities, when Sainsbury's opens on the Hull Road the problem will be further compounded. The phrase " reap what you sow" comes to mind. Can't all be wrong
  • Score: -31

5:28pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Caecilius says...

Mulgrave wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Be interesting to see the traffic stats after this......how many bus passengers and taxi users might have been inconvenienced by additional holdups. Better by far to offer free Park & Ride into the City. Don't cowtow to Eric Pickles....!
People being chauffeured about in cars being held up by those driving their own - intolarable!
One bus holds, say, 50 people. As often as not, one car holds one person. And 50 cars take up a great deal more of the finite space available on York's roads than one bus does, hence the congestion.
[quote][p][bold]Mulgrave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Be interesting to see the traffic stats after this......how many bus passengers and taxi users might have been inconvenienced by additional holdups. Better by far to offer free Park & Ride into the City. Don't cowtow to Eric Pickles....![/p][/quote]People being chauffeured about in cars being held up by those driving their own - intolarable![/p][/quote]One bus holds, say, 50 people. As often as not, one car holds one person. And 50 cars take up a great deal more of the finite space available on York's roads than one bus does, hence the congestion. Caecilius
  • Score: 209

5:40pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Mulgrave says...

Caecilius wrote:
Mulgrave wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Be interesting to see the traffic stats after this......how many bus passengers and taxi users might have been inconvenienced by additional holdups. Better by far to offer free Park & Ride into the City. Don't cowtow to Eric Pickles....!
People being chauffeured about in cars being held up by those driving their own - intolarable!
One bus holds, say, 50 people. As often as not, one car holds one person. And 50 cars take up a great deal more of the finite space available on York's roads than one bus does, hence the congestion.
Yes of course, and the chauffeured cars (taxis as I seem to need to explain it) help how?

PS - The driver doesn't count in a taxi, two people in a taxi equals one in a private car.
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mulgrave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Be interesting to see the traffic stats after this......how many bus passengers and taxi users might have been inconvenienced by additional holdups. Better by far to offer free Park & Ride into the City. Don't cowtow to Eric Pickles....![/p][/quote]People being chauffeured about in cars being held up by those driving their own - intolarable![/p][/quote]One bus holds, say, 50 people. As often as not, one car holds one person. And 50 cars take up a great deal more of the finite space available on York's roads than one bus does, hence the congestion.[/p][/quote]Yes of course, and the chauffeured cars (taxis as I seem to need to explain it) help how? PS - The driver doesn't count in a taxi, two people in a taxi equals one in a private car. Mulgrave
  • Score: -153

5:40pm Sat 25 Jan 14

pedalling paul says...

JHardacre wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Be interesting to see the traffic stats after this......how many bus passengers and taxi users might have been inconvenienced by additional holdups. Better by far to offer free Park & Ride into the City. Don't cowtow to Eric Pickles....!
For the first time ever I agree with PP. I'd better go and sit down and take something!
\_/
! Have a stiff drink on me...........
[quote][p][bold]JHardacre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Be interesting to see the traffic stats after this......how many bus passengers and taxi users might have been inconvenienced by additional holdups. Better by far to offer free Park & Ride into the City. Don't cowtow to Eric Pickles....![/p][/quote]For the first time ever I agree with PP. I'd better go and sit down and take something![/p][/quote]\_/ ! Have a stiff drink on me........... pedalling paul
  • Score: 200

6:45pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Mulgrave says...

To the score adjuster - you might be able to fool your dear old mum, but you don't fool anyone else - perhaps you should get out more.
To the score adjuster - you might be able to fool your dear old mum, but you don't fool anyone else - perhaps you should get out more. Mulgrave
  • Score: -182

6:47pm Sat 25 Jan 14

ouseswimmer says...

Are the council finally admitting that their money grabbing charges for evening parking has failed the city? York used to be busy with cars parked along Coney st etc going to city screen early in the week. Now its just the weekends with hen parties.
Are the council finally admitting that their money grabbing charges for evening parking has failed the city? York used to be busy with cars parked along Coney st etc going to city screen early in the week. Now its just the weekends with hen parties. ouseswimmer
  • Score: -165

7:48pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Ambra_Mike says...

clm058 wrote:
grovel grovel comes to mind, we f****d up in past so sorry traders
RUBBISH!...

Here's a good example of why some shops's in the city center are struggling.

Early in December, I decided to purchase a new coffee machine. Whilst in York paying bills, DIY Shop etc I decided that rather than order online I would buy one in a shop, something I try to do as much as possible.

On entering a prominent shop in Stonegate I found a good selection of machines, spoilt for choice I decided to upgrade and spend a little more than first budgeted for.

First problem, the three members of staff were deep in conversation near a till, just not interested. Then... and here's the best bit :-

Another employee walked past, and just load enough said, "I wouldn't worry about him, he's just looking at the models before he orders on the internet".

So... Guess what!. Ordered from a prominent on line retailer soon to open in Monks Cross, cheaper and with free delivery.

Now there's your problem, Nothing to do with parking charges.
[quote][p][bold]clm058[/bold] wrote: grovel grovel comes to mind, we f****d up in past so sorry traders[/p][/quote]RUBBISH!... Here's a good example of why some shops's in the city center are struggling. Early in December, I decided to purchase a new coffee machine. Whilst in York paying bills, DIY Shop etc I decided that rather than order online I would buy one in a shop, something I try to do as much as possible. On entering a prominent shop in Stonegate I found a good selection of machines, spoilt for choice I decided to upgrade and spend a little more than first budgeted for. First problem, the three members of staff were deep in conversation near a till, just not interested. Then... and here's the best bit :- Another employee walked past, and just load enough said, "I wouldn't worry about him, he's just looking at the models before he orders on the internet". So... Guess what!. Ordered from a prominent on line retailer soon to open in Monks Cross, cheaper and with free delivery. Now there's your problem, Nothing to do with parking charges. Ambra_Mike
  • Score: -82

9:03pm Sat 25 Jan 14

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

pedalling paul wrote:
JHardacre wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Be interesting to see the traffic stats after this......how many bus passengers and taxi users might have been inconvenienced by additional holdups. Better by far to offer free Park & Ride into the City. Don't cowtow to Eric Pickles....!
For the first time ever I agree with PP. I'd better go and sit down and take something!
\_/
! Have a stiff drink on me...........
It's time to worry when Paul offers you a stiffy.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHardacre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Be interesting to see the traffic stats after this......how many bus passengers and taxi users might have been inconvenienced by additional holdups. Better by far to offer free Park & Ride into the City. Don't cowtow to Eric Pickles....![/p][/quote]For the first time ever I agree with PP. I'd better go and sit down and take something![/p][/quote]\_/ ! Have a stiff drink on me...........[/p][/quote]It's time to worry when Paul offers you a stiffy. NoNewsIsGoodNews
  • Score: -32

9:41pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Silver says...

NoNewsIsGoodNews wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
JHardacre wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Be interesting to see the traffic stats after this......how many bus passengers and taxi users might have been inconvenienced by additional holdups. Better by far to offer free Park & Ride into the City. Don't cowtow to Eric Pickles....!
For the first time ever I agree with PP. I'd better go and sit down and take something!
\_/
! Have a stiff drink on me...........
It's time to worry when Paul offers you a stiffy.
NoNews kudos you made me giggle at that one.
[quote][p][bold]NoNewsIsGoodNews[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHardacre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Be interesting to see the traffic stats after this......how many bus passengers and taxi users might have been inconvenienced by additional holdups. Better by far to offer free Park & Ride into the City. Don't cowtow to Eric Pickles....![/p][/quote]For the first time ever I agree with PP. I'd better go and sit down and take something![/p][/quote]\_/ ! Have a stiff drink on me...........[/p][/quote]It's time to worry when Paul offers you a stiffy.[/p][/quote]NoNews kudos you made me giggle at that one. Silver
  • Score: -23

10:22pm Sat 25 Jan 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Caecilius wrote:
Mulgrave wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Be interesting to see the traffic stats after this......how many bus passengers and taxi users might have been inconvenienced by additional holdups. Better by far to offer free Park & Ride into the City. Don't cowtow to Eric Pickles....!
People being chauffeured about in cars being held up by those driving their own - intolarable!
One bus holds, say, 50 people. As often as not, one car holds one person. And 50 cars take up a great deal more of the finite space available on York's roads than one bus does, hence the congestion.
May I just correct you. A bus 'can' hold up to 50 people. Most of York's travel about with 2 or 3 though and at many times either empty or with one person. Only at peak times do you see any buses nearing good but not full use.
Taking into account bus lanes which at most times do not have anything in them I would say if you properly calculated based on numbers of people moved v space taken you may well find that buses actually take up more of that finite space, proportionally, than you think.
Also buses only do 6 miles to the gallon on a good day. I will leave you to do the maths on that to work out how many people each bus needs to transport before it becomes a less polluting form of transport. I will just finish by quoting the council who say -

"This study indicates that NOx emissions from diesel vehicles, particularly buses and HGVs are probably one of the main reasons why York has so far failed to meet the air quality objective for NO2 despite steps taken in AQAP2"

And on congestion:-

YCC Low Emission Strategy Oct 2012 says: -
“Traffic levels in the city have been reduced 2002 to 2005.
Peak period traffic levels have remained stable since 2006.”
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mulgrave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Be interesting to see the traffic stats after this......how many bus passengers and taxi users might have been inconvenienced by additional holdups. Better by far to offer free Park & Ride into the City. Don't cowtow to Eric Pickles....![/p][/quote]People being chauffeured about in cars being held up by those driving their own - intolarable![/p][/quote]One bus holds, say, 50 people. As often as not, one car holds one person. And 50 cars take up a great deal more of the finite space available on York's roads than one bus does, hence the congestion.[/p][/quote]May I just correct you. A bus 'can' hold up to 50 people. Most of York's travel about with 2 or 3 though and at many times either empty or with one person. Only at peak times do you see any buses nearing good but not full use. Taking into account bus lanes which at most times do not have anything in them I would say if you properly calculated based on numbers of people moved v space taken you may well find that buses actually take up more of that finite space, proportionally, than you think. Also buses only do 6 miles to the gallon on a good day. I will leave you to do the maths on that to work out how many people each bus needs to transport before it becomes a less polluting form of transport. I will just finish by quoting the council who say - "This study indicates that NOx emissions from diesel vehicles, particularly buses and HGVs are probably one of the main reasons why York has so far failed to meet the air quality objective for NO2 despite steps taken in AQAP2" And on congestion:- YCC Low Emission Strategy Oct 2012 says: - “Traffic levels in the city have been reduced 2002 to 2005. Peak period traffic levels have remained stable since 2006.” strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -135

10:56pm Sat 25 Jan 14

oi oi savaloy says...

a lull between 5 & 7pm???? are these people real???? people are traditionally at home after a days work/school sat round the table having their family meal!!!!!

jesus wept when is the next elections so we can get rid of these lunatics!!!

AND further more are these not the same people that harp on about poverty??

HELLO!!!! in that case are they not at home starving to death cos they don't have 2 halfpennies to rub together????

YOU REALLY CAN NOT MAKE IT UP!
a lull between 5 & 7pm???? are these people real???? people are traditionally at home after a days work/school sat round the table having their family meal!!!!! jesus wept when is the next elections so we can get rid of these lunatics!!! AND further more are these not the same people that harp on about poverty?? HELLO!!!! in that case are they not at home starving to death cos they don't have 2 halfpennies to rub together???? YOU REALLY CAN NOT MAKE IT UP! oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -98

12:31am Sun 26 Jan 14

Pinto1978 says...

Living in or just outside of York all my life seeing how ridiculous the traffic is now more than ever and yet the motorist (that pays tax for the roads) gets penalised all the time !!!
even if you take the P&R say 3 people at a cost of £8.10 return tickets & it takes 10-20 min to get into York
How may hours could you park for ?? Say 4 hours why would you ever use P&R
I do wonder of all the money that has been raised over Lendal bridge has actually been spent on actual traffic management systems or car park improvements.
Living in or just outside of York all my life seeing how ridiculous the traffic is now more than ever and yet the motorist (that pays tax for the roads) gets penalised all the time !!! even if you take the P&R say 3 people at a cost of £8.10 return tickets & it takes 10-20 min to get into York How may hours could you park for ?? Say 4 hours why would you ever use P&R I do wonder of all the money that has been raised over Lendal bridge has actually been spent on actual traffic management systems or car park improvements. Pinto1978
  • Score: -82

3:12am Sun 26 Jan 14

Magicman! says...

The group also said cutting city-centre speed limits to 20mph or lower and adding more speed cameras should be considered.... ....although this issue was not in the group’s original remit and no studies have been carried out.

The task group included Coun Anna Semlyen, a 20mph campaigner who replaced Coun Keith Hyman during the review, as well as Green councillor Andy D’Agorne and Labour councillor Neil Barnes.

Says a lot really... the initial report didn't include reducing speeds to 20mph with speed camera enforcement, because Huntington councillor Keith Hyman was on the panel... suddenly as if by magic he's replaced by Anna Semlyen with that chip on her shoulder and suddenly 20mph speed limits are back on the table!!

Instead of pointless speed limit reductions, make offers such as 50% off a Park and Ride ticket upon presenting a YorkCard.
[quote] The group also said cutting city-centre speed limits to 20mph or lower and adding more speed cameras should be considered.... ....although this issue was not in the group’s original remit and no studies have been carried out. The task group included Coun Anna Semlyen, a 20mph campaigner who replaced Coun Keith Hyman during the review, as well as Green councillor Andy D’Agorne and Labour councillor Neil Barnes. [/quote] Says a lot really... the initial report didn't include reducing speeds to 20mph with speed camera enforcement, because Huntington councillor Keith Hyman was on the panel... suddenly as if by magic he's replaced by Anna Semlyen with that chip on her shoulder and suddenly 20mph speed limits are back on the table!! Instead of pointless speed limit reductions, make offers such as 50% off a Park and Ride ticket upon presenting a YorkCard. Magicman!
  • Score: -63

7:15am Sun 26 Jan 14

Oyy you says...

bloodaxe wrote:
Shocking ! Profligate waste ! I blame the council, Lendal Bridge, Europe, the government, the environment, bankers, oh anybody. Sorry, what was that again ? Free Parking ? What's the point of a bus pass if you have free parking ? Bah humbug.
Nutter
[quote][p][bold]bloodaxe[/bold] wrote: Shocking ! Profligate waste ! I blame the council, Lendal Bridge, Europe, the government, the environment, bankers, oh anybody. Sorry, what was that again ? Free Parking ? What's the point of a bus pass if you have free parking ? Bah humbug.[/p][/quote]Nutter Oyy you
  • Score: -75

11:02am Sun 26 Jan 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

John Lewis to open York store:
Oakgate has admitted that the city centre’s turnover on items such as electrical equipment, furniture and clothing will fall by £38.9 million in 2016.

http://www.yorkpress
.co.uk/news/9338966.
John_Lewis_to_open_Y
ork_store/

Says enough.
John Lewis to open York store: Oakgate has admitted that the city centre’s turnover on items such as electrical equipment, furniture and clothing will fall by £38.9 million in 2016. http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/9338966. John_Lewis_to_open_Y ork_store/ Says enough. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: 7

3:09pm Sun 26 Jan 14

yorkandnotproudofit says...

a couple of comments,what on earth has free parking got to do with 20mph and speed cameras i can only assume there is too much strong medication being passed around at these meetings(maybe a drugs raid by the police is in order)as this can be the only way these baboons can possibly link these items together.having seen the large amount of thumbs down for anyone against what these baboons say, i can only conclude they have learnt to press a button and we should all be worried i have seen this movie charlton heston and roddy mcdowell were in it
a couple of comments,what on earth has free parking got to do with 20mph and speed cameras i can only assume there is too much strong medication being passed around at these meetings(maybe a drugs raid by the police is in order)as this can be the only way these baboons can possibly link these items together.having seen the large amount of thumbs down for anyone against what these baboons say, i can only conclude they have learnt to press a button and we should all be worried i have seen this movie charlton heston and roddy mcdowell were in it yorkandnotproudofit
  • Score: -77

3:31pm Sun 26 Jan 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

The task group included Coun Anna Semlyen, a 20mph campaigner who replaced Coun Keith Hyman during the review.

What a cracking strategic move by Hyman, stepping down allowing Semlyen in to spout her anti car policies rendering all efforts to bring the city centre to life in the evenings pointless.

This should read Hyman hands over the keys to the candy shop.
The task group included Coun Anna Semlyen, a 20mph campaigner who replaced Coun Keith Hyman during the review. What a cracking strategic move by Hyman, stepping down allowing Semlyen in to spout her anti car policies rendering all efforts to bring the city centre to life in the evenings pointless. This should read Hyman hands over the keys to the candy shop. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -95

6:06pm Sun 26 Jan 14

york_chap says...

"The group also said cutting city-centre speed limits to 20mph or lower" - so, I suppose that means Anna Semlyn has now decided that even 20mph is a dangerously excessive speed for vehicles to travel at?

People like her should just take more care when out and about. If you can't cope with traffic travelling at 20 - 30mph, you've got no business venturing outdoors.

I've spent all my life regularly walking, driving and sometimes cycling in York's 30mph and 40mph built-up areas, yet I've never been decimated by a vehicle.

The reason: I actually pay attention to what's going on around me and have the self control not to wander out into the road without looking; and lack the the arrogance just to assume that drivers will break/swerve to avoid me when I'm walking or on my bike. This approach has always worked for me and I'd strongly recommend it to Anna and her cronies. Perhaps then we could save the £500,000+ that introducing blanket 10mph restrictions would cost.

I suppose in a few years it'll be 5mph. The reverse-gear only.
"The group also said cutting city-centre speed limits to 20mph or lower" - so, I suppose that means Anna Semlyn has now decided that even 20mph is a dangerously excessive speed for vehicles to travel at? People like her should just take more care when out and about. If you can't cope with traffic travelling at 20 - 30mph, you've got no business venturing outdoors. I've spent all my life regularly walking, driving and sometimes cycling in York's 30mph and 40mph built-up areas, yet I've never been decimated by a vehicle. The reason: I actually pay attention to what's going on around me and have the self control not to wander out into the road without looking; and lack the the arrogance just to assume that drivers will break/swerve to avoid me when I'm walking or on my bike. This approach has always worked for me and I'd strongly recommend it to Anna and her cronies. Perhaps then we could save the £500,000+ that introducing blanket 10mph restrictions would cost. I suppose in a few years it'll be 5mph. The reverse-gear only. york_chap
  • Score: -41

6:44pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Mulgrave says...

york_chap wrote:
"The group also said cutting city-centre speed limits to 20mph or lower" - so, I suppose that means Anna Semlyn has now decided that even 20mph is a dangerously excessive speed for vehicles to travel at?

People like her should just take more care when out and about. If you can't cope with traffic travelling at 20 - 30mph, you've got no business venturing outdoors.

I've spent all my life regularly walking, driving and sometimes cycling in York's 30mph and 40mph built-up areas, yet I've never been decimated by a vehicle.

The reason: I actually pay attention to what's going on around me and have the self control not to wander out into the road without looking; and lack the the arrogance just to assume that drivers will break/swerve to avoid me when I'm walking or on my bike. This approach has always worked for me and I'd strongly recommend it to Anna and her cronies. Perhaps then we could save the £500,000+ that introducing blanket 10mph restrictions would cost.

I suppose in a few years it'll be 5mph. The reverse-gear only.
And of course it couldn't be further away from Coun Merrett's objective of speeding up favoured traffic in his pedestrian and cycle freindly corridor that was formerly part of the inner ring road via a certain bridge.
[quote][p][bold]york_chap[/bold] wrote: "The group also said cutting city-centre speed limits to 20mph or lower" - so, I suppose that means Anna Semlyn has now decided that even 20mph is a dangerously excessive speed for vehicles to travel at? People like her should just take more care when out and about. If you can't cope with traffic travelling at 20 - 30mph, you've got no business venturing outdoors. I've spent all my life regularly walking, driving and sometimes cycling in York's 30mph and 40mph built-up areas, yet I've never been decimated by a vehicle. The reason: I actually pay attention to what's going on around me and have the self control not to wander out into the road without looking; and lack the the arrogance just to assume that drivers will break/swerve to avoid me when I'm walking or on my bike. This approach has always worked for me and I'd strongly recommend it to Anna and her cronies. Perhaps then we could save the £500,000+ that introducing blanket 10mph restrictions would cost. I suppose in a few years it'll be 5mph. The reverse-gear only.[/p][/quote]And of course it couldn't be further away from Coun Merrett's objective of speeding up favoured traffic in his pedestrian and cycle freindly corridor that was formerly part of the inner ring road via a certain bridge. Mulgrave
  • Score: -34

6:51pm Sun 26 Jan 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Pointing out the obvious and having an alternative opinion to the council is just not tolerated in York.

Sad for you, funny for me.
Pointing out the obvious and having an alternative opinion to the council is just not tolerated in York. Sad for you, funny for me. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -36

7:14pm Sun 26 Jan 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
The task group included Coun Anna Semlyen, a 20mph campaigner who replaced Coun Keith Hyman during the review.

What a cracking strategic move by Hyman, stepping down allowing Semlyen in to spout her anti car policies rendering all efforts to bring the city centre to life in the evenings pointless.

This should read Hyman hands over the keys to the candy shop.
C'mon, this deserves (previous posting) more than minus 101 in an hour surely !.

By the way the top postings are getting close to being +ve so you better get them marked down other wise public opinion might be perverted.

Schedule set for the after work club next week, hope so, put it in your diary.
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: The task group included Coun Anna Semlyen, a 20mph campaigner who replaced Coun Keith Hyman during the review. What a cracking strategic move by Hyman, stepping down allowing Semlyen in to spout her anti car policies rendering all efforts to bring the city centre to life in the evenings pointless. This should read Hyman hands over the keys to the candy shop.[/p][/quote]C'mon, this deserves (previous posting) more than minus 101 in an hour surely !. By the way the top postings are getting close to being +ve so you better get them marked down other wise public opinion might be perverted. Schedule set for the after work club next week, hope so, put it in your diary. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -24

7:33pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Mulgrave says...

Think there may be more than one, when I posted about the rigging yesterday it had been done quite cleverly, but it looks like a complete moron has been at work afterwards.
Think there may be more than one, when I posted about the rigging yesterday it had been done quite cleverly, but it looks like a complete moron has been at work afterwards. Mulgrave
  • Score: -19

7:39pm Sun 26 Jan 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Don't miss Jonathan Cowap Radio York Next Friday.

James Alexander is in the so called hot seat, hopefully some testing questions will get asked rather than the usual soft stuff that seems to get through. It would be great to have him twisting and turning like a twisty turney thing.

Now by anyones standards that has got to be a minus 2,000 comment.
Don't miss Jonathan Cowap Radio York Next Friday. James Alexander is in the so called hot seat, hopefully some testing questions will get asked rather than the usual soft stuff that seems to get through. It would be great to have him twisting and turning like a twisty turney thing. Now by anyones standards that has got to be a minus 2,000 comment. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -201

8:00pm Sun 26 Jan 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Disappointing, +74 in 20 minutes, probably friendly fire.

Hopefully the genuine marker downer will be back with a vengeance soon.

After all probably been told to do it, so more to be pittied than scalded as any independent free thinking person would say.

That last part of my comment has got to be worth -50 at least. (LOL)
Disappointing, +74 in 20 minutes, probably friendly fire. Hopefully the genuine marker downer will be back with a vengeance soon. After all probably been told to do it, so more to be pittied than scalded as any independent free thinking person would say. That last part of my comment has got to be worth -50 at least. (LOL) YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -292

8:34pm Sun 26 Jan 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Thanks for that last spurt of activity, very interesting.

Just to point out (again) the comments at the top seem to be heading towards a less convincing than you usually go for result.

Thanks again, really helpful stuff.
Thanks for that last spurt of activity, very interesting. Just to point out (again) the comments at the top seem to be heading towards a less convincing than you usually go for result. Thanks again, really helpful stuff. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -78

9:40pm Sun 26 Jan 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Thanks for doing the top ones, lets face it -20 was never going to be good enough.

You really are an obedient little puppy, well done !.
Thanks for doing the top ones, lets face it -20 was never going to be good enough. You really are an obedient little puppy, well done !. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -58

9:48pm Sun 26 Jan 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Who's been a clever little puppy, who's changed all the numbers then?.

Yes, you have, you have you clever little thing, have a biscuit.
Who's been a clever little puppy, who's changed all the numbers then?. Yes, you have, you have you clever little thing, have a biscuit. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -59

10:04pm Sun 26 Jan 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

I think you should report the previous two posts, they appear to be mocking you.

They are also insulting little defenceless puppies by association.
I think you should report the previous two posts, they appear to be mocking you. They are also insulting little defenceless puppies by association. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -37

7:47am Mon 27 Jan 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Well done, a bit of pre-work activity.

You should be very proud of your low intelligence repetitive task abilities (LIRTA).
Well done, a bit of pre-work activity. You should be very proud of your low intelligence repetitive task abilities (LIRTA). YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: 5

10:57am Mon 27 Jan 14

MorkofYork says...

There's 20mph signs on a tiny cul-de-sac off Ridgeway, i don't think you could get above 20 without slamming your breaks on at the end. Absolute madness.
There's 20mph signs on a tiny cul-de-sac off Ridgeway, i don't think you could get above 20 without slamming your breaks on at the end. Absolute madness. MorkofYork
  • Score: 7

2:24pm Mon 27 Jan 14

rodney'sdog says...

1st of April. A bit early for jokes.
1st of April. A bit early for jokes. rodney'sdog
  • Score: 0

3:30pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Soupdragon70 says...

On a completely different thread; I wonder how much money could be saved by the Council if they sacked the lackey whose job it is to doctor all these scores?
On a completely different thread; I wonder how much money could be saved by the Council if they sacked the lackey whose job it is to doctor all these scores? Soupdragon70
  • Score: 8

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