Most Lendal Bridge fines given to visitors

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TRANSPORT bosses have revealed their concerns about the number of drivers issued with fines from York’s controversial Lendal Bridge trial.

An update on the six-month experiment – which bans private vehicles from the bridge between 10.30am and 5pm – said City of York Council expected the rate of £60 penalty charge notices for breaching its rules to reduce and level out.

But instead, they had remained at a relatively constant level, with about 80 per cent of recipients being visitors. By December 29, 40,794 penalty notices had been issued, although some drivers will have won appeals.

The report by the council’s major transport projects manager, Ruth Stephenson, said morning “spot surveys” on the Inner Ring Road had shown five or ten minutes was being added to journeys between Fishergate, Walmgate Bar and Layerthorpe.

However, it said that despite late afternoon delays on Water End and Clifton Green, the route appeared to be “coping reasonably well” otherwise, while traffic had improved in Bootham, Gillygate, Clarence Street, Lord Mayor’s Walk, St Leonard’s Place and around York Station. More detailed traffic information is expected later this month.

“The number of PCNs being issued remains a concern, especially as it appears to be drivers who are unfamiliar with the city,” said the report, adding that signs had been improved to raise awareness.

It said that, in September and October, traffic levels were similar to 2012 and Park&Ride use rose, suggesting people were “not avoiding York”, while there were “no signs of gridlock”.

Kate McMullen, head of Visit York, said: “We fully support the trial and it’s good news that signage has been improved, but we will continue to push for a ‘friendly’ warning for first-time offenders because it’s clear many visitors do not realise they are contravening the traffic signs.

“We want all visitors to have an enjoyable stay without it being marred by a follow-up fine. York’s reputation as a welcoming, friendly city is important to protect.”

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11:11am Wed 22 Jan 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

hahahahahaha class... so they now admit its just moved the traffic elsewhere (layerthorpe is delayed by more then 10mins! i was stuck there for 30mins on Saturday!) , the signs don’t work & it will deter tourists. (also workers as a contractor visited me from Glasgow and got fined)

Stop the ban you muppets you've made enough money and there has been no positives from it at all... I wouldn’t visit anywhere again that had bent me over like this stupid trial is.
hahahahahaha class... so they now admit its just moved the traffic elsewhere (layerthorpe is delayed by more then 10mins! i was stuck there for 30mins on Saturday!) , the signs don’t work & it will deter tourists. (also workers as a contractor visited me from Glasgow and got fined) Stop the ban you muppets you've made enough money and there has been no positives from it at all... I wouldn’t visit anywhere again that had bent me over like this stupid trial is. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 90

11:20am Wed 22 Jan 14

razor08 says...

'The report by the council’s major transport projects manager, Ruth Stephenson, said morning “spot surveys” on the Inner Ring Road had shown five or ten minutes was being added to journeys between Fishergate, Walmgate Bar and Layerthorpe.' Suggest she tries Bishopthorpe to the Hospital that would give her a better idea of the chaos.

York has the only Inner Ring Road in the country that is closed between 10.30 & 5.00.
'The report by the council’s major transport projects manager, Ruth Stephenson, said morning “spot surveys” on the Inner Ring Road had shown five or ten minutes was being added to journeys between Fishergate, Walmgate Bar and Layerthorpe.' Suggest she tries Bishopthorpe to the Hospital that would give her a better idea of the chaos. York has the only Inner Ring Road in the country that is closed between 10.30 & 5.00. razor08
  • Score: 116

11:40am Wed 22 Jan 14

muckybutt says...

I can also validate that out of town contractors that our company uses have also been ticketed as they failed to correctly see the signs.

Two other people I know that are not from York have also been fined for crossing the bridge of doom and have both sworn never to return.

They wanted rid of cars ! well they'll succeed at a price that kills the tourism and business of the city.
I can also validate that out of town contractors that our company uses have also been ticketed as they failed to correctly see the signs. Two other people I know that are not from York have also been fined for crossing the bridge of doom and have both sworn never to return. They wanted rid of cars ! well they'll succeed at a price that kills the tourism and business of the city. muckybutt
  • Score: 107

11:56am Wed 22 Jan 14

Madasanibbotson says...

Bridge Closure=

City York Council PLUS 40,000 X £30 OR £60 less appeals

The Cities economy MINUS £millions
Bridge Closure= City York Council PLUS 40,000 X £30 OR £60 less appeals The Cities economy MINUS £millions Madasanibbotson
  • Score: 75

11:58am Wed 22 Jan 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Ruth Stephenson, said morning “spot surveys” on the Inner Ring Road had shown five or ten minutes was being added to journeys.

How much time is added to mid/late afternoon journey times ?.

Kate McMullen, head of Visit York, said: “We fully support the trial and it’s good news that signage has been improved, but we will continue to push for a ‘friendly’ warning for first-time offenders.

So you want to add tourists to the already extensive list of people that can use the Bridge during the restricted times leaving York resident drivers as the only restricted group, absolute nonsence.
Ruth Stephenson, said morning “spot surveys” on the Inner Ring Road had shown five or ten minutes was being added to journeys. How much time is added to mid/late afternoon journey times ?. Kate McMullen, head of Visit York, said: “We fully support the trial and it’s good news that signage has been improved, but we will continue to push for a ‘friendly’ warning for first-time offenders. So you want to add tourists to the already extensive list of people that can use the Bridge during the restricted times leaving York resident drivers as the only restricted group, absolute nonsence. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: 87

12:18pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

Rubbish. What's the definition of 'traffic improving'? Gillygate might be considerably more traffic-free during the restriction times but that's because we're all having to go elsewhere. Instead of crossing Lendal Bridge from Gillygate on my journey, I now have to suffer Foss Islands and Fulford Road when I need to drive south and west - and it adds 35 minutes to every journey. And I have to start in the Gillygate area because that's where I live.

That's the bit the council have forgotten about. Unlike them, lots of US actually live in the city centre.
Rubbish. What's the definition of 'traffic improving'? Gillygate might be considerably more traffic-free during the restriction times but that's because we're all having to go elsewhere. Instead of crossing Lendal Bridge from Gillygate on my journey, I now have to suffer Foss Islands and Fulford Road when I need to drive south and west - and it adds 35 minutes to every journey. And I have to start in the Gillygate area because that's where I live. That's the bit the council have forgotten about. Unlike them, lots of US actually live in the city centre. Ignatius Lumpopo
  • Score: -29

12:20pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Knavesmire view says...

Ah another Lendal Bridge story. They'll be celebrating at the Council, plenty of overtime on offer to vote the comments down!
Ah another Lendal Bridge story. They'll be celebrating at the Council, plenty of overtime on offer to vote the comments down! Knavesmire view
  • Score: 50

12:36pm Wed 22 Jan 14

calvito says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
hahahahahaha class... so they now admit its just moved the traffic elsewhere (layerthorpe is delayed by more then 10mins! i was stuck there for 30mins on Saturday!) , the signs don’t work & it will deter tourists. (also workers as a contractor visited me from Glasgow and got fined)

Stop the ban you muppets you've made enough money and there has been no positives from it at all... I wouldn’t visit anywhere again that had bent me over like this stupid trial is.
if you or your contractors can not see the signs that meen all of you are blind!!! if you are blind you should not drive and problem solved!!! there are planty of sings everywhere!!! pepole stop blameing others for your mistakes!!!
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: hahahahahaha class... so they now admit its just moved the traffic elsewhere (layerthorpe is delayed by more then 10mins! i was stuck there for 30mins on Saturday!) , the signs don’t work & it will deter tourists. (also workers as a contractor visited me from Glasgow and got fined) Stop the ban you muppets you've made enough money and there has been no positives from it at all... I wouldn’t visit anywhere again that had bent me over like this stupid trial is.[/p][/quote]if you or your contractors can not see the signs that meen all of you are blind!!! if you are blind you should not drive and problem solved!!! there are planty of sings everywhere!!! pepole stop blameing others for your mistakes!!! calvito
  • Score: -27

12:49pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

calvito wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote: hahahahahaha class... so they now admit its just moved the traffic elsewhere (layerthorpe is delayed by more then 10mins! i was stuck there for 30mins on Saturday!) , the signs don’t work & it will deter tourists. (also workers as a contractor visited me from Glasgow and got fined) Stop the ban you muppets you've made enough money and there has been no positives from it at all... I wouldn’t visit anywhere again that had bent me over like this stupid trial is.
if you or your contractors can not see the signs that meen all of you are blind!!! if you are blind you should not drive and problem solved!!! there are planty of sings everywhere!!! pepole stop blameing others for your mistakes!!!
i'll take your comment seriously when you can actually spell... or read as it says my contractor not me..

oh and the new digital sign actually points down leman road and says lendal bridge closed.. if you are not from York how would you know the name!!! Surly bridge ahead closed would be better... did see a car go over too.. Another one to the list...

so sorry to everyone it seems people who cant spell can read the signs very well...
[quote][p][bold]calvito[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: hahahahahaha class... so they now admit its just moved the traffic elsewhere (layerthorpe is delayed by more then 10mins! i was stuck there for 30mins on Saturday!) , the signs don’t work & it will deter tourists. (also workers as a contractor visited me from Glasgow and got fined) Stop the ban you muppets you've made enough money and there has been no positives from it at all... I wouldn’t visit anywhere again that had bent me over like this stupid trial is.[/p][/quote]if you or your contractors can not see the signs that meen all of you are blind!!! if you are blind you should not drive and problem solved!!! there are planty of sings everywhere!!! pepole stop blameing others for your mistakes!!![/p][/quote]i'll take your comment seriously when you can actually spell... or read as it says my contractor not me.. oh and the new digital sign actually points down leman road and says lendal bridge closed.. if you are not from York how would you know the name!!! Surly bridge ahead closed would be better... did see a car go over too.. Another one to the list... so sorry to everyone it seems people who cant spell can read the signs very well... Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 18

12:50pm Wed 22 Jan 14

cassy14 says...

I got lost whilst driving in Bradford & ended up in a bus lane which didn't realise until the fine of £60 came through the letter box. guess what, i'll never go back through Bradford again & when York is empty & all the shops are closed the council will blame amazon
I got lost whilst driving in Bradford & ended up in a bus lane which didn't realise until the fine of £60 came through the letter box. guess what, i'll never go back through Bradford again & when York is empty & all the shops are closed the council will blame amazon cassy14
  • Score: 15

12:57pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Stroppiness says...

Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:
Rubbish. What's the definition of 'traffic improving'? Gillygate might be considerably more traffic-free during the restriction times but that's because we're all having to go elsewhere. Instead of crossing Lendal Bridge from Gillygate on my journey, I now have to suffer Foss Islands and Fulford Road when I need to drive south and west - and it adds 35 minutes to every journey. And I have to start in the Gillygate area because that's where I live. That's the bit the council have forgotten about. Unlike them, lots of US actually live in the city centre.
Well said - I live in the Bootham area and to get anywhere at t'other side of the city is a complete nightmare. And before people start, those who know me know that I absolutely love public transport (yes it's true!) but unfortuanately, for certain aspects of my life public transport is not an option.

On the main thrust of the story, I will keep repeating what I have said on my previous postings. Speak to any tourist/visitor/deli
very driver from outside of York and the surrounding area and they all say the same thing. The signs are a complete joke. Some say "Lendal Bridge restrictions". Some say "Lendal Bridge closed". Some directly contradict the permanent road signs - eg top of Gillygate - "alternative parking" which takes you across Lendal Bridge because during the day, there is no alternative parking without crossing the bridge.

How do people know from outside York that Lendal Bridge is where it is until you are on top of it and about to go over? Where is the ability to turn round if you approach the bridge and realise you have gone wrong? A lot of people rely on SatNav. Until the signs say "restrictions and closures to some traffic on York inner ring road" or better still " bridge restrictions and closures to some traffic on A1036 York City Centre", satnavs will have all and sundry crossing the bridge because last time I investigated, most people do not drive with a crystal ball or an oracle sitting next to them (unless of course the spouse is there!!).

I do note with some irony tho' that Merret the Ferret has been directly contradicted by his Council officers - only last week he was saying that there had been no great increase in delays and that what delays there were had been reducing on Foss Islands Road!

The trouble with this lot (and yes I voted for them but never again), they just won't have it that closing 25% of the city centre bridge provision is going to have a knock on effect on other areas. Yes, undoubtedly during the day, Bootham is a lot quieter. However, the traffic hasn't gone away - it's just using different routes that ARE now seeing an increase in congestion.
[quote][p][bold]Ignatius Lumpopo[/bold] wrote: Rubbish. What's the definition of 'traffic improving'? Gillygate might be considerably more traffic-free during the restriction times but that's because we're all having to go elsewhere. Instead of crossing Lendal Bridge from Gillygate on my journey, I now have to suffer Foss Islands and Fulford Road when I need to drive south and west - and it adds 35 minutes to every journey. And I have to start in the Gillygate area because that's where I live. That's the bit the council have forgotten about. Unlike them, lots of US actually live in the city centre.[/p][/quote]Well said - I live in the Bootham area and to get anywhere at t'other side of the city is a complete nightmare. And before people start, those who know me know that I absolutely love public transport (yes it's true!) but unfortuanately, for certain aspects of my life public transport is not an option. On the main thrust of the story, I will keep repeating what I have said on my previous postings. Speak to any tourist/visitor/deli very driver from outside of York and the surrounding area and they all say the same thing. The signs are a complete joke. Some say "Lendal Bridge restrictions". Some say "Lendal Bridge closed". Some directly contradict the permanent road signs - eg top of Gillygate - "alternative parking" which takes you across Lendal Bridge because during the day, there is no alternative parking without crossing the bridge. How do people know from outside York that Lendal Bridge is where it is until you are on top of it and about to go over? Where is the ability to turn round if you approach the bridge and realise you have gone wrong? A lot of people rely on SatNav. Until the signs say "restrictions and closures to some traffic on York inner ring road" or better still " bridge restrictions and closures to some traffic on A1036 York City Centre", satnavs will have all and sundry crossing the bridge because last time I investigated, most people do not drive with a crystal ball or an oracle sitting next to them (unless of course the spouse is there!!). I do note with some irony tho' that Merret the Ferret has been directly contradicted by his Council officers - only last week he was saying that there had been no great increase in delays and that what delays there were had been reducing on Foss Islands Road! The trouble with this lot (and yes I voted for them but never again), they just won't have it that closing 25% of the city centre bridge provision is going to have a knock on effect on other areas. Yes, undoubtedly during the day, Bootham is a lot quieter. However, the traffic hasn't gone away - it's just using different routes that ARE now seeing an increase in congestion. Stroppiness
  • Score: 26

1:08pm Wed 22 Jan 14

GooseTrackLane says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
calvito wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote: hahahahahaha class... so they now admit its just moved the traffic elsewhere (layerthorpe is delayed by more then 10mins! i was stuck there for 30mins on Saturday!) , the signs don’t work & it will deter tourists. (also workers as a contractor visited me from Glasgow and got fined) Stop the ban you muppets you've made enough money and there has been no positives from it at all... I wouldn’t visit anywhere again that had bent me over like this stupid trial is.
if you or your contractors can not see the signs that meen all of you are blind!!! if you are blind you should not drive and problem solved!!! there are planty of sings everywhere!!! pepole stop blameing others for your mistakes!!!
i'll take your comment seriously when you can actually spell... or read as it says my contractor not me..

oh and the new digital sign actually points down leman road and says lendal bridge closed.. if you are not from York how would you know the name!!! Surly bridge ahead closed would be better... did see a car go over too.. Another one to the list...

so sorry to everyone it seems people who cant spell can read the signs very well...
Archiebold...
Leman Road is actually Leeman Road
Surly is actually surely
Cant is actually can't

Perhaps sort your own spelling before criticising others?

PS. Ability to spell doesn't really enhance whatever point you're making.
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]calvito[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: hahahahahaha class... so they now admit its just moved the traffic elsewhere (layerthorpe is delayed by more then 10mins! i was stuck there for 30mins on Saturday!) , the signs don’t work & it will deter tourists. (also workers as a contractor visited me from Glasgow and got fined) Stop the ban you muppets you've made enough money and there has been no positives from it at all... I wouldn’t visit anywhere again that had bent me over like this stupid trial is.[/p][/quote]if you or your contractors can not see the signs that meen all of you are blind!!! if you are blind you should not drive and problem solved!!! there are planty of sings everywhere!!! pepole stop blameing others for your mistakes!!![/p][/quote]i'll take your comment seriously when you can actually spell... or read as it says my contractor not me.. oh and the new digital sign actually points down leman road and says lendal bridge closed.. if you are not from York how would you know the name!!! Surly bridge ahead closed would be better... did see a car go over too.. Another one to the list... so sorry to everyone it seems people who cant spell can read the signs very well...[/p][/quote]Archiebold... Leman Road is actually Leeman Road Surly is actually surely Cant is actually can't Perhaps sort your own spelling before criticising others? PS. Ability to spell doesn't really enhance whatever point you're making. GooseTrackLane
  • Score: -18

1:14pm Wed 22 Jan 14

WhyEver says...

Good to see some actual numbers on the increased journey times being imposed on traffic. Adding up to 10 minutes during the off-peak is bad enough, imagine what it would be if the council extend the closure into the peak.

The huge number of fines has kept the trial in the public eye, but is deflecting attention from the increased traffic, congestion and pollution in the east of the city.
Good to see some actual numbers on the increased journey times being imposed on traffic. Adding up to 10 minutes during the off-peak is bad enough, imagine what it would be if the council extend the closure into the peak. The huge number of fines has kept the trial in the public eye, but is deflecting attention from the increased traffic, congestion and pollution in the east of the city. WhyEver
  • Score: -9

1:14pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

GooseTrackLane wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
calvito wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote: hahahahahaha class... so they now admit its just moved the traffic elsewhere (layerthorpe is delayed by more then 10mins! i was stuck there for 30mins on Saturday!) , the signs don’t work & it will deter tourists. (also workers as a contractor visited me from Glasgow and got fined) Stop the ban you muppets you've made enough money and there has been no positives from it at all... I wouldn’t visit anywhere again that had bent me over like this stupid trial is.
if you or your contractors can not see the signs that meen all of you are blind!!! if you are blind you should not drive and problem solved!!! there are planty of sings everywhere!!! pepole stop blameing others for your mistakes!!!
i'll take your comment seriously when you can actually spell... or read as it says my contractor not me.. oh and the new digital sign actually points down leman road and says lendal bridge closed.. if you are not from York how would you know the name!!! Surly bridge ahead closed would be better... did see a car go over too.. Another one to the list... so sorry to everyone it seems people who cant spell can read the signs very well...
Archiebold... Leman Road is actually Leeman Road Surly is actually surely Cant is actually can't Perhaps sort your own spelling before criticising others? PS. Ability to spell doesn't really enhance whatever point you're making.
i think there is a difference in missing an e off or a apostrophe to the sentence I was on about! also I’d say my comment stands as other people have confirmed and the statistics have that people outside or york do not get the signs!

So wat waz da point bein made it dat "sentence" goose, do u get it?
[quote][p][bold]GooseTrackLane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]calvito[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: hahahahahaha class... so they now admit its just moved the traffic elsewhere (layerthorpe is delayed by more then 10mins! i was stuck there for 30mins on Saturday!) , the signs don’t work & it will deter tourists. (also workers as a contractor visited me from Glasgow and got fined) Stop the ban you muppets you've made enough money and there has been no positives from it at all... I wouldn’t visit anywhere again that had bent me over like this stupid trial is.[/p][/quote]if you or your contractors can not see the signs that meen all of you are blind!!! if you are blind you should not drive and problem solved!!! there are planty of sings everywhere!!! pepole stop blameing others for your mistakes!!![/p][/quote]i'll take your comment seriously when you can actually spell... or read as it says my contractor not me.. oh and the new digital sign actually points down leman road and says lendal bridge closed.. if you are not from York how would you know the name!!! Surly bridge ahead closed would be better... did see a car go over too.. Another one to the list... so sorry to everyone it seems people who cant spell can read the signs very well...[/p][/quote]Archiebold... Leman Road is actually Leeman Road Surly is actually surely Cant is actually can't Perhaps sort your own spelling before criticising others? PS. Ability to spell doesn't really enhance whatever point you're making.[/p][/quote]i think there is a difference in missing an e off or a apostrophe to the sentence I was on about! also I’d say my comment stands as other people have confirmed and the statistics have that people outside or york do not get the signs! So wat waz da point bein made it dat "sentence" goose, do u get it? Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 23

1:26pm Wed 22 Jan 14

chelk says...

All this is good to see plenty of comments regarding this folly but you will never get this council to accept that they have made a mistake. The Muppet Show rolls on. Waiting for a couple of thousand minus points from the Manipulating Moron this time.
All this is good to see plenty of comments regarding this folly but you will never get this council to accept that they have made a mistake. The Muppet Show rolls on. Waiting for a couple of thousand minus points from the Manipulating Moron this time. chelk
  • Score: -90

2:28pm Wed 22 Jan 14

courier46 says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
GooseTrackLane wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
calvito wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote: hahahahahaha class... so they now admit its just moved the traffic elsewhere (layerthorpe is delayed by more then 10mins! i was stuck there for 30mins on Saturday!) , the signs don’t work & it will deter tourists. (also workers as a contractor visited me from Glasgow and got fined) Stop the ban you muppets you've made enough money and there has been no positives from it at all... I wouldn’t visit anywhere again that had bent me over like this stupid trial is.
if you or your contractors can not see the signs that meen all of you are blind!!! if you are blind you should not drive and problem solved!!! there are planty of sings everywhere!!! pepole stop blameing others for your mistakes!!!
i'll take your comment seriously when you can actually spell... or read as it says my contractor not me.. oh and the new digital sign actually points down leman road and says lendal bridge closed.. if you are not from York how would you know the name!!! Surly bridge ahead closed would be better... did see a car go over too.. Another one to the list... so sorry to everyone it seems people who cant spell can read the signs very well...
Archiebold... Leman Road is actually Leeman Road Surly is actually surely Cant is actually can't Perhaps sort your own spelling before criticising others? PS. Ability to spell doesn't really enhance whatever point you're making.
i think there is a difference in missing an e off or a apostrophe to the sentence I was on about! also I’d say my comment stands as other people have confirmed and the statistics have that people outside or york do not get the signs!

So wat waz da point bein made it dat "sentence" goose, do u get it?
Hee! Hee! egg on face methinks.Lol
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GooseTrackLane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]calvito[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: hahahahahaha class... so they now admit its just moved the traffic elsewhere (layerthorpe is delayed by more then 10mins! i was stuck there for 30mins on Saturday!) , the signs don’t work & it will deter tourists. (also workers as a contractor visited me from Glasgow and got fined) Stop the ban you muppets you've made enough money and there has been no positives from it at all... I wouldn’t visit anywhere again that had bent me over like this stupid trial is.[/p][/quote]if you or your contractors can not see the signs that meen all of you are blind!!! if you are blind you should not drive and problem solved!!! there are planty of sings everywhere!!! pepole stop blameing others for your mistakes!!![/p][/quote]i'll take your comment seriously when you can actually spell... or read as it says my contractor not me.. oh and the new digital sign actually points down leman road and says lendal bridge closed.. if you are not from York how would you know the name!!! Surly bridge ahead closed would be better... did see a car go over too.. Another one to the list... so sorry to everyone it seems people who cant spell can read the signs very well...[/p][/quote]Archiebold... Leman Road is actually Leeman Road Surly is actually surely Cant is actually can't Perhaps sort your own spelling before criticising others? PS. Ability to spell doesn't really enhance whatever point you're making.[/p][/quote]i think there is a difference in missing an e off or a apostrophe to the sentence I was on about! also I’d say my comment stands as other people have confirmed and the statistics have that people outside or york do not get the signs! So wat waz da point bein made it dat "sentence" goose, do u get it?[/p][/quote]Hee! Hee! egg on face methinks.Lol courier46
  • Score: 87

2:31pm Wed 22 Jan 14

courier46 says...

Didn`t the NORMAL people in York already know that the fines mainly would go to tourists?
Didn`t the NORMAL people in York already know that the fines mainly would go to tourists? courier46
  • Score: -80

2:44pm Wed 22 Jan 14

vax2002 says...

If Visitors have set a Sat nav to find the major car parks or just to find the city centre, it will bring them over this bridge by default.
Add in confusing signs around corners and on junctions which are hidden in small font amongst lots of other signs and you have a recipe for one thing.

Scamming visitors to your City.
Do people think 40,000 visitors have deliberately ignored the closure and chosen to be given a penalty.
Or do you think they have deliberately set out with a revenue driven department of copper bottomed wages to extract as much money as quickly as possible by deliberately picking the sat nav visitors bridge.
The bridge is on a main arterial route and it was built so traffic could cross the river.
Now it is Infested by a troll.

None of these people will ever visit your city again, why should they, they did not spot the first scam, how many more lie in wait.

These greedy revenue driven authoritative departments will kill York dead as a tourist attraction.

York only exists at the level it does because of the tourist trade.
If you want a town like Castleford or Selby, they are going the perfect route to create one.

If I had a business in York that was tourist dependant I would be very worried indeed, these people will not come back.
EVER !
If Visitors have set a Sat nav to find the major car parks or just to find the city centre, it will bring them over this bridge by default. Add in confusing signs around corners and on junctions which are hidden in small font amongst lots of other signs and you have a recipe for one thing. Scamming visitors to your City. Do people think 40,000 visitors have deliberately ignored the closure and chosen to be given a penalty. Or do you think they have deliberately set out with a revenue driven department of copper bottomed wages to extract as much money as quickly as possible by deliberately picking the sat nav visitors bridge. The bridge is on a main arterial route and it was built so traffic could cross the river. Now it is Infested by a troll. None of these people will ever visit your city again, why should they, they did not spot the first scam, how many more lie in wait. These greedy revenue driven authoritative departments will kill York dead as a tourist attraction. York only exists at the level it does because of the tourist trade. If you want a town like Castleford or Selby, they are going the perfect route to create one. If I had a business in York that was tourist dependant I would be very worried indeed, these people will not come back. EVER ! vax2002
  • Score: -65

3:05pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

courier46 wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
GooseTrackLane wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
calvito wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote: hahahahahaha class... so they now admit its just moved the traffic elsewhere (layerthorpe is delayed by more then 10mins! i was stuck there for 30mins on Saturday!) , the signs don’t work & it will deter tourists. (also workers as a contractor visited me from Glasgow and got fined) Stop the ban you muppets you've made enough money and there has been no positives from it at all... I wouldn’t visit anywhere again that had bent me over like this stupid trial is.
if you or your contractors can not see the signs that meen all of you are blind!!! if you are blind you should not drive and problem solved!!! there are planty of sings everywhere!!! pepole stop blameing others for your mistakes!!!
i'll take your comment seriously when you can actually spell... or read as it says my contractor not me.. oh and the new digital sign actually points down leman road and says lendal bridge closed.. if you are not from York how would you know the name!!! Surly bridge ahead closed would be better... did see a car go over too.. Another one to the list... so sorry to everyone it seems people who cant spell can read the signs very well...
Archiebold... Leman Road is actually Leeman Road Surly is actually surely Cant is actually can't Perhaps sort your own spelling before criticising others? PS. Ability to spell doesn't really enhance whatever point you're making.
i think there is a difference in missing an e off or a apostrophe to the sentence I was on about! also I’d say my comment stands as other people have confirmed and the statistics have that people outside or york do not get the signs! So wat waz da point bein made it dat "sentence" goose, do u get it?
Hee! Hee! egg on face methinks.Lol
that will explain why i am blind apparently.
[quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GooseTrackLane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]calvito[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: hahahahahaha class... so they now admit its just moved the traffic elsewhere (layerthorpe is delayed by more then 10mins! i was stuck there for 30mins on Saturday!) , the signs don’t work & it will deter tourists. (also workers as a contractor visited me from Glasgow and got fined) Stop the ban you muppets you've made enough money and there has been no positives from it at all... I wouldn’t visit anywhere again that had bent me over like this stupid trial is.[/p][/quote]if you or your contractors can not see the signs that meen all of you are blind!!! if you are blind you should not drive and problem solved!!! there are planty of sings everywhere!!! pepole stop blameing others for your mistakes!!![/p][/quote]i'll take your comment seriously when you can actually spell... or read as it says my contractor not me.. oh and the new digital sign actually points down leman road and says lendal bridge closed.. if you are not from York how would you know the name!!! Surly bridge ahead closed would be better... did see a car go over too.. Another one to the list... so sorry to everyone it seems people who cant spell can read the signs very well...[/p][/quote]Archiebold... Leman Road is actually Leeman Road Surly is actually surely Cant is actually can't Perhaps sort your own spelling before criticising others? PS. Ability to spell doesn't really enhance whatever point you're making.[/p][/quote]i think there is a difference in missing an e off or a apostrophe to the sentence I was on about! also I’d say my comment stands as other people have confirmed and the statistics have that people outside or york do not get the signs! So wat waz da point bein made it dat "sentence" goose, do u get it?[/p][/quote]Hee! Hee! egg on face methinks.Lol[/p][/quote]that will explain why i am blind apparently. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 86

3:10pm Wed 22 Jan 14

tobefair says...

I was in town at lunch time today. The on-street parking in St Mary's off Bootham was the emptiest I have ever seen. Union Terrace car park was less than half full. Where have all the cars gone? I only hope for the City centre traders sake everyone is using park and ride.
Just an afterthought. Is closing Lendal Bridge and its knock-on effect on Union Terrace car park a way for our Council Leader to justify selling it to St Johns University as he always intended?
I was in town at lunch time today. The on-street parking in St Mary's off Bootham was the emptiest I have ever seen. Union Terrace car park was less than half full. Where have all the cars gone? I only hope for the City centre traders sake everyone is using park and ride. Just an afterthought. Is closing Lendal Bridge and its knock-on effect on Union Terrace car park a way for our Council Leader to justify selling it to St Johns University as he always intended? tobefair
  • Score: -71

3:54pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Cancellingweddinginyork says...

I have just received a fine for driving over Lendal Bridge - I most certainly did not see any signs indicating that I should not do this and have gone this way into York on previous visits. I have just asked a colleague who lives in York how one gets from the station into town - he said he had no idea, he had tried the previous weekend and given up after circuiting York twice. My partner and I are getting married in York this spring and staying for a few days afterwards. This incident is making me think about moving the wedding out of York as I don't want guests to incur fines and, frankly, we have no idea how to reach the venues for the hotel and dinner.
I have just received a fine for driving over Lendal Bridge - I most certainly did not see any signs indicating that I should not do this and have gone this way into York on previous visits. I have just asked a colleague who lives in York how one gets from the station into town - he said he had no idea, he had tried the previous weekend and given up after circuiting York twice. My partner and I are getting married in York this spring and staying for a few days afterwards. This incident is making me think about moving the wedding out of York as I don't want guests to incur fines and, frankly, we have no idea how to reach the venues for the hotel and dinner. Cancellingweddinginyork
  • Score: 17

4:50pm Wed 22 Jan 14

CaroleBaines says...

Cancellingweddinginy
ork
wrote:
I have just received a fine for driving over Lendal Bridge - I most certainly did not see any signs indicating that I should not do this and have gone this way into York on previous visits. I have just asked a colleague who lives in York how one gets from the station into town - he said he had no idea, he had tried the previous weekend and given up after circuiting York twice. My partner and I are getting married in York this spring and staying for a few days afterwards. This incident is making me think about moving the wedding out of York as I don't want guests to incur fines and, frankly, we have no idea how to reach the venues for the hotel and dinner.
I can understand your frustration, but you'd really change the place you get married because of a £30 fine??

Heck - that is a lot of nose cutting off and face spitng! I agree the signage is poor, rubbish even. But life is for living, not for flouncing over.
[quote][p][bold]Cancellingweddinginy ork[/bold] wrote: I have just received a fine for driving over Lendal Bridge - I most certainly did not see any signs indicating that I should not do this and have gone this way into York on previous visits. I have just asked a colleague who lives in York how one gets from the station into town - he said he had no idea, he had tried the previous weekend and given up after circuiting York twice. My partner and I are getting married in York this spring and staying for a few days afterwards. This incident is making me think about moving the wedding out of York as I don't want guests to incur fines and, frankly, we have no idea how to reach the venues for the hotel and dinner.[/p][/quote]I can understand your frustration, but you'd really change the place you get married because of a £30 fine?? Heck - that is a lot of nose cutting off and face spitng! I agree the signage is poor, rubbish even. But life is for living, not for flouncing over. CaroleBaines
  • Score: 24

5:07pm Wed 22 Jan 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Well it is hardly a surprise that is is the visitors who are getting most of the fines if you don't live here how do you know which bridge it is? There is a sign on the way down to Clifton Bridge telling you Lendal Bridge is restricted. I wonder how many unsuspecting tourist think it is the bridge they can see in front of them when they see this sign and turn off down Leeman Road only to pop out again at Lendal Bridge?
On the subject of congestion elsewhere Clifton Green is defiantly more congested now although not as bad as in the good old days of the cycle lane and changed light phasing which lead to queues right up Boroughbridge Road.
The outer ring road is a joke now but many will not even realise this is due to the Lendal Bridge closure because of the rather clever tactic of closing Clifton Bridge for a few weeks just before they closed Lendal Bridge. When they closed Clifton Bridge for the repairs the congestion on the outer ring road was unbelievable and has never changed as they closed Lendal as they opened Clifton Bridge so no one noticed the difference having forgotten what it was like prior to both these closures. Nice one.
Well it is hardly a surprise that is is the visitors who are getting most of the fines if you don't live here how do you know which bridge it is? There is a sign on the way down to Clifton Bridge telling you Lendal Bridge is restricted. I wonder how many unsuspecting tourist think it is the bridge they can see in front of them when they see this sign and turn off down Leeman Road only to pop out again at Lendal Bridge? On the subject of congestion elsewhere Clifton Green is defiantly more congested now although not as bad as in the good old days of the cycle lane and changed light phasing which lead to queues right up Boroughbridge Road. The outer ring road is a joke now but many will not even realise this is due to the Lendal Bridge closure because of the rather clever tactic of closing Clifton Bridge for a few weeks just before they closed Lendal Bridge. When they closed Clifton Bridge for the repairs the congestion on the outer ring road was unbelievable and has never changed as they closed Lendal as they opened Clifton Bridge so no one noticed the difference having forgotten what it was like prior to both these closures. Nice one. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -17

5:11pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Tricky Dickie says...

Whether the trial closure of Lendal Bridge was a good idea or not is now irrelevant. It's becoming a farce, for which the tax payers and traders of York may end up paying a very high price.

Despite the very rude and condescending comments by some commentators on this site, people generally are law abiding and do not put themselves in a position where they may be fined. It’s not a case that they are blind, not paying attention or driving dangerously. It’s a case of the trial being ill conceived and badly designed. For heaven’s sake, how is anybody not familiar with York supposed to know where an unsigned bridge is, in a city they don’t know. What on earth does “Restricted Access” actually mean? Height restricted? Weight restricted? Width restricted? Purple cars only on a Tuesday restricted?

Lendal Bridge actually looks more blighted now with the yellow signs, LED signs and cameras, than ever it did before when it had traffic on it.

If this really was about making the journey from the station area towards the Minster area and beyond a safer and more pleasant experience for pedestrians and cyclists (which includes me) then there are more imaginative ways of doing so, that shouldn’t mean a 2.5 mile diversion to get from the station to the hospital.

Maybe they council should follow the grand tradition of running a competition for ideas on how this may be done, rather than foisting a politically motivated non-solution on the city.

CYC should now admit that there is a problem with the trial and take a lead from their colleagues in Colchester, where a similar situation has resulted in the fines to 30,000 people being quashed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-england-ess
ex-25666021
Whether the trial closure of Lendal Bridge was a good idea or not is now irrelevant. It's becoming a farce, for which the tax payers and traders of York may end up paying a very high price. Despite the very rude and condescending comments by some commentators on this site, people generally are law abiding and do not put themselves in a position where they may be fined. It’s not a case that they are blind, not paying attention or driving dangerously. It’s a case of the trial being ill conceived and badly designed. For heaven’s sake, how is anybody not familiar with York supposed to know where an unsigned bridge is, in a city they don’t know. What on earth does “Restricted Access” actually mean? Height restricted? Weight restricted? Width restricted? Purple cars only on a Tuesday restricted? Lendal Bridge actually looks more blighted now with the yellow signs, LED signs and cameras, than ever it did before when it had traffic on it. If this really was about making the journey from the station area towards the Minster area and beyond a safer and more pleasant experience for pedestrians and cyclists (which includes me) then there are more imaginative ways of doing so, that shouldn’t mean a 2.5 mile diversion to get from the station to the hospital. Maybe they council should follow the grand tradition of running a competition for ideas on how this may be done, rather than foisting a politically motivated non-solution on the city. CYC should now admit that there is a problem with the trial and take a lead from their colleagues in Colchester, where a similar situation has resulted in the fines to 30,000 people being quashed. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-ess ex-25666021 Tricky Dickie
  • Score: -4

5:54pm Wed 22 Jan 14

SteveSCA says...

Tricky Dickie wrote:
Whether the trial closure of Lendal Bridge was a good idea or not is now irrelevant. It's becoming a farce, for which the tax payers and traders of York may end up paying a very high price.

Despite the very rude and condescending comments by some commentators on this site, people generally are law abiding and do not put themselves in a position where they may be fined. It’s not a case that they are blind, not paying attention or driving dangerously. It’s a case of the trial being ill conceived and badly designed. For heaven’s sake, how is anybody not familiar with York supposed to know where an unsigned bridge is, in a city they don’t know. What on earth does “Restricted Access” actually mean? Height restricted? Weight restricted? Width restricted? Purple cars only on a Tuesday restricted?

Lendal Bridge actually looks more blighted now with the yellow signs, LED signs and cameras, than ever it did before when it had traffic on it.

If this really was about making the journey from the station area towards the Minster area and beyond a safer and more pleasant experience for pedestrians and cyclists (which includes me) then there are more imaginative ways of doing so, that shouldn’t mean a 2.5 mile diversion to get from the station to the hospital.

Maybe they council should follow the grand tradition of running a competition for ideas on how this may be done, rather than foisting a politically motivated non-solution on the city.

CYC should now admit that there is a problem with the trial and take a lead from their colleagues in Colchester, where a similar situation has resulted in the fines to 30,000 people being quashed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/uk-england-ess

ex-25666021
One of the best posts on this subject I've read over the last few months.
[quote][p][bold]Tricky Dickie[/bold] wrote: Whether the trial closure of Lendal Bridge was a good idea or not is now irrelevant. It's becoming a farce, for which the tax payers and traders of York may end up paying a very high price. Despite the very rude and condescending comments by some commentators on this site, people generally are law abiding and do not put themselves in a position where they may be fined. It’s not a case that they are blind, not paying attention or driving dangerously. It’s a case of the trial being ill conceived and badly designed. For heaven’s sake, how is anybody not familiar with York supposed to know where an unsigned bridge is, in a city they don’t know. What on earth does “Restricted Access” actually mean? Height restricted? Weight restricted? Width restricted? Purple cars only on a Tuesday restricted? Lendal Bridge actually looks more blighted now with the yellow signs, LED signs and cameras, than ever it did before when it had traffic on it. If this really was about making the journey from the station area towards the Minster area and beyond a safer and more pleasant experience for pedestrians and cyclists (which includes me) then there are more imaginative ways of doing so, that shouldn’t mean a 2.5 mile diversion to get from the station to the hospital. Maybe they council should follow the grand tradition of running a competition for ideas on how this may be done, rather than foisting a politically motivated non-solution on the city. CYC should now admit that there is a problem with the trial and take a lead from their colleagues in Colchester, where a similar situation has resulted in the fines to 30,000 people being quashed. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-ess ex-25666021[/p][/quote]One of the best posts on this subject I've read over the last few months. SteveSCA
  • Score: -5

6:00pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Dave Ruddock says...

To the evening press. does any of this get to the Council , if not and ive tried the couincil website, thats a "if we like we read" site, as for the inner ringroad, thats never a ringroad, more miniture M25.. just like to say, we all know this thing of Leeman Road come on the the Bridge were disliking not the spelling of a Road.
To the evening press. does any of this get to the Council , if not and ive tried the couincil website, thats a "if we like we read" site, as for the inner ringroad, thats never a ringroad, more miniture M25.. just like to say, we all know this thing of Leeman Road come on the the Bridge were disliking not the spelling of a Road. Dave Ruddock
  • Score: 16

7:05pm Wed 22 Jan 14

velvetdixie says...

Valid complaints but will these fools be voted out when the time comes?

I think not.
Valid complaints but will these fools be voted out when the time comes? I think not. velvetdixie
  • Score: 21

8:05pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Pinza-C55 says...

40,794 x 30 = £1,223,820
40,794 x 60 = £2,447,640
Seriously, would you abandon a money spinner like this?
40,794 x 30 = £1,223,820 40,794 x 60 = £2,447,640 Seriously, would you abandon a money spinner like this? Pinza-C55
  • Score: 1

8:13pm Wed 22 Jan 14

cas540 says...

calvito wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
hahahahahaha class... so they now admit its just moved the traffic elsewhere (layerthorpe is delayed by more then 10mins! i was stuck there for 30mins on Saturday!) , the signs don’t work & it will deter tourists. (also workers as a contractor visited me from Glasgow and got fined)

Stop the ban you muppets you've made enough money and there has been no positives from it at all... I wouldn’t visit anywhere again that had bent me over like this stupid trial is.
if you or your contractors can not see the signs that meen all of you are blind!!! if you are blind you should not drive and problem solved!!! there are planty of sings everywhere!!! pepole stop blameing others for your mistakes!!!
Seems like you are the blind one as you seem to have not noticed your bad spelling and English.
Watch out folks for the thumbs down to appear.
[quote][p][bold]calvito[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: hahahahahaha class... so they now admit its just moved the traffic elsewhere (layerthorpe is delayed by more then 10mins! i was stuck there for 30mins on Saturday!) , the signs don’t work & it will deter tourists. (also workers as a contractor visited me from Glasgow and got fined) Stop the ban you muppets you've made enough money and there has been no positives from it at all... I wouldn’t visit anywhere again that had bent me over like this stupid trial is.[/p][/quote]if you or your contractors can not see the signs that meen all of you are blind!!! if you are blind you should not drive and problem solved!!! there are planty of sings everywhere!!! pepole stop blameing others for your mistakes!!![/p][/quote]Seems like you are the blind one as you seem to have not noticed your bad spelling and English. Watch out folks for the thumbs down to appear. cas540
  • Score: -20

8:27pm Wed 22 Jan 14

vax2002 says...

Perhaps some Hi-Viz volunteers "advising" drivers before they reach the cameras and helping them turn around might help.
In Bath the traders ganged up on the greedy council and set up "road angel" rotas to warn motorists and visitors effectively cutting off the revenue.

If they will not listen, get your Hi- Viz vests on and get out there and hit them straight in the pockets .
Perhaps some Hi-Viz volunteers "advising" drivers before they reach the cameras and helping them turn around might help. In Bath the traders ganged up on the greedy council and set up "road angel" rotas to warn motorists and visitors effectively cutting off the revenue. If they will not listen, get your Hi- Viz vests on and get out there and hit them straight in the pockets . vax2002
  • Score: 4

8:52pm Wed 22 Jan 14

nickeggleton says...

YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
Ruth Stephenson, said morning “spot surveys” on the Inner Ring Road had shown five or ten minutes was being added to journeys.

How much time is added to mid/late afternoon journey times ?.

Kate McMullen, head of Visit York, said: “We fully support the trial and it’s good news that signage has been improved, but we will continue to push for a ‘friendly’ warning for first-time offenders.

So you want to add tourists to the already extensive list of people that can use the Bridge during the restricted times leaving York resident drivers as the only restricted group, absolute nonsence.
Is that the same Kate McMullen that is 'interim' head of VisitYork, that has a board that is run by James Alexander and Sonja Crisp? The osame Kate hoping that the newco CYC are plotting hires her as Chief.

Is there a vested interest in adding to the press release built on a snapshot of 'spot surveys'! Of course there is.

I'd say this is bull s h 1 t, but, I might be wrong. No. I'm not.
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: Ruth Stephenson, said morning “spot surveys” on the Inner Ring Road had shown five or ten minutes was being added to journeys. How much time is added to mid/late afternoon journey times ?. Kate McMullen, head of Visit York, said: “We fully support the trial and it’s good news that signage has been improved, but we will continue to push for a ‘friendly’ warning for first-time offenders. So you want to add tourists to the already extensive list of people that can use the Bridge during the restricted times leaving York resident drivers as the only restricted group, absolute nonsence.[/p][/quote]Is that the same Kate McMullen that is 'interim' head of VisitYork, that has a board that is run by James Alexander and Sonja Crisp? The osame Kate hoping that the newco CYC are plotting hires her as Chief. Is there a vested interest in adding to the press release built on a snapshot of 'spot surveys'! Of course there is. I'd say this is bull s h 1 t, but, I might be wrong. No. I'm not. nickeggleton
  • Score: 6

9:01pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Garrowby Turnoff says...

vax2002 wrote:
Perhaps some Hi-Viz volunteers "advising" drivers before they reach the cameras and helping them turn around might help.
In Bath the traders ganged up on the greedy council and set up "road angel" rotas to warn motorists and visitors effectively cutting off the revenue.

If they will not listen, get your Hi- Viz vests on and get out there and hit them straight in the pockets .
I think this is a great idea! There's no way the council will backtrack and admit defeat now, so this solution might point out to the tourist that the public of York, by and large, disagrees with the daft experiment.

C'mon road angels - if you only charge the "saved" motorist £5 each you could make £300-400k for charity!
[quote][p][bold]vax2002[/bold] wrote: Perhaps some Hi-Viz volunteers "advising" drivers before they reach the cameras and helping them turn around might help. In Bath the traders ganged up on the greedy council and set up "road angel" rotas to warn motorists and visitors effectively cutting off the revenue. If they will not listen, get your Hi- Viz vests on and get out there and hit them straight in the pockets .[/p][/quote]I think this is a great idea! There's no way the council will backtrack and admit defeat now, so this solution might point out to the tourist that the public of York, by and large, disagrees with the daft experiment. C'mon road angels - if you only charge the "saved" motorist £5 each you could make £300-400k for charity! Garrowby Turnoff
  • Score: 5

9:39pm Wed 22 Jan 14

AnotherPointofView says...

CaroleBaines wrote:
Cancellingweddinginy

ork
wrote:
I have just received a fine for driving over Lendal Bridge - I most certainly did not see any signs indicating that I should not do this and have gone this way into York on previous visits. I have just asked a colleague who lives in York how one gets from the station into town - he said he had no idea, he had tried the previous weekend and given up after circuiting York twice. My partner and I are getting married in York this spring and staying for a few days afterwards. This incident is making me think about moving the wedding out of York as I don't want guests to incur fines and, frankly, we have no idea how to reach the venues for the hotel and dinner.
I can understand your frustration, but you'd really change the place you get married because of a £30 fine??

Heck - that is a lot of nose cutting off and face spitng! I agree the signage is poor, rubbish even. But life is for living, not for flouncing over.
It's not just the fine that Cancellingweddinginy
ork was concerned about for him/herself but if their guests were to be landed with a fine as well, it would make the wedding one to remember alright but for the wrong reasons.
[quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cancellingweddinginy ork[/bold] wrote: I have just received a fine for driving over Lendal Bridge - I most certainly did not see any signs indicating that I should not do this and have gone this way into York on previous visits. I have just asked a colleague who lives in York how one gets from the station into town - he said he had no idea, he had tried the previous weekend and given up after circuiting York twice. My partner and I are getting married in York this spring and staying for a few days afterwards. This incident is making me think about moving the wedding out of York as I don't want guests to incur fines and, frankly, we have no idea how to reach the venues for the hotel and dinner.[/p][/quote]I can understand your frustration, but you'd really change the place you get married because of a £30 fine?? Heck - that is a lot of nose cutting off and face spitng! I agree the signage is poor, rubbish even. But life is for living, not for flouncing over.[/p][/quote]It's not just the fine that Cancellingweddinginy ork was concerned about for him/herself but if their guests were to be landed with a fine as well, it would make the wedding one to remember alright but for the wrong reasons. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: 14

10:21pm Wed 22 Jan 14

alfa10 says...

I am so thankful that I now read the constant depressing news coming out of York, from 65 miles away. After 28 years of having lived in such a beautiful city, and watching council after council, Lib Dem or Labour gradually ruining the quality of life for its loyal residents, I finally left becoming more and more fed up of York's worst council ever, considering tourism and business before the residents. Life has been made more and more difficult through schemes like restricted access to Lendal Bridge. I am so glad that this ridiculous policy appears to be about to "bite the council on the bum", possibly driving the very tourists that it is trying to attract, away!! York needs more bridges, NOT one less. The various councils, over the years have always put "the cart before the horse", no improvement to the infrastructure. All those years ago, building a single carriageway outer ring road to take traffic away from York. To make matters worse, the building of retail parks and housing along the side of it, created it's own traffic, defeating the original object. It is still quicker to go through the city than using this awful road!!! I could go on and on, but I am making my own blood boil reliving the frustrations of "York living", from sixty five miles away. York was never designed to cope with what is being thrown at it!!
I am so thankful that I now read the constant depressing news coming out of York, from 65 miles away. After 28 years of having lived in such a beautiful city, and watching council after council, Lib Dem or Labour gradually ruining the quality of life for its loyal residents, I finally left becoming more and more fed up of York's worst council ever, considering tourism and business before the residents. Life has been made more and more difficult through schemes like restricted access to Lendal Bridge. I am so glad that this ridiculous policy appears to be about to "bite the council on the bum", possibly driving the very tourists that it is trying to attract, away!! York needs more bridges, NOT one less. The various councils, over the years have always put "the cart before the horse", no improvement to the infrastructure. All those years ago, building a single carriageway outer ring road to take traffic away from York. To make matters worse, the building of retail parks and housing along the side of it, created it's own traffic, defeating the original object. It is still quicker to go through the city than using this awful road!!! I could go on and on, but I am making my own blood boil reliving the frustrations of "York living", from sixty five miles away. York was never designed to cope with what is being thrown at it!! alfa10
  • Score: 18

10:35pm Wed 22 Jan 14

piaggio1 says...

An here.s me thinkin glasgow city council was a dodgy lot.as in green n white.
Think about it!!!!!
But this bunch. . !!!!! Admit it . They hate us.no they really do.
An here.s me thinkin glasgow city council was a dodgy lot.as in green n white. Think about it!!!!! But this bunch. . !!!!! Admit it . They hate us.no they really do. piaggio1
  • Score: 8

10:35pm Wed 22 Jan 14

swh1963 says...

I'm a York resident and genuinely - on the basis of signage if nothing else - drove over toward the station in October (fine rescinded after a simple letter or appeal) . In a city that depends on tourism if 80% of fines are for tourists the local authorities are almost as obviously idiotic and as unapologetic about their idiocy as Archiebold the 1st.
I'm a York resident and genuinely - on the basis of signage if nothing else - drove over toward the station in October (fine rescinded after a simple letter or appeal) . In a city that depends on tourism if 80% of fines are for tourists the local authorities are almost as obviously idiotic and as unapologetic about their idiocy as Archiebold the 1st. swh1963
  • Score: 11

10:44pm Wed 22 Jan 14

mrdelia says...

I visit York a lot, and have done for years. Now I have one of my kids at university here.
Marvellous.
Suddenly, not at all marvellous.
I find today I've been caught by the city council's trap for the unwary, conveniently located on a major route through the city (and by the station, incidentally), where both occasional and frequent visitors cannot fail but find themselves in a great many instances.
signing is tastefully unobtrusive, confusing, illegible to any motorists unless obstructing traffic or in the fortunate position of being at the very head of the queue at lights. even then, the intention of the council is veiled
by the very many things these signs do not, in fact, indicate, such as the idea that cfrossing this bridge, which the confused driver discovers is not actually closed, will result in any kind of fine; as though he has done anything wrong,
which, incidentally, he has not. he has broken no rule of the road.
this is a low-minded, sneaky, unworthy subterfuge, which if adopted by anybody in the field of genuine business, would result in complete loss of faith, the attention of regulating bodies and TV investigators, and loss of customers. the people of this city should thank their learned council in kind for this slur upon their name, their city, and the future which its citizens have a right to look forward to. i'm afraid the place is fast becoming a national joke because of this, and i am astonished any native yorkshireman would tolerate this challenge to their good name.
you don't treat people like this, i'm afraid, and get away entirely scot free.
faith, as it were, no more.
loss of custom and affection.
very sad.
I visit York a lot, and have done for years. Now I have one of my kids at university here. Marvellous. Suddenly, not at all marvellous. I find today I've been caught by the city council's trap for the unwary, conveniently located on a major route through the city (and by the station, incidentally), where both occasional and frequent visitors cannot fail but find themselves in a great many instances. signing is tastefully unobtrusive, confusing, illegible to any motorists unless obstructing traffic or in the fortunate position of being at the very head of the queue at lights. even then, the intention of the council is veiled by the very many things these signs do not, in fact, indicate, such as the idea that cfrossing this bridge, which the confused driver discovers is not actually closed, will result in any kind of fine; as though he has done anything wrong, which, incidentally, he has not. he has broken no rule of the road. this is a low-minded, sneaky, unworthy subterfuge, which if adopted by anybody in the field of genuine business, would result in complete loss of faith, the attention of regulating bodies and TV investigators, and loss of customers. the people of this city should thank their learned council in kind for this slur upon their name, their city, and the future which its citizens have a right to look forward to. i'm afraid the place is fast becoming a national joke because of this, and i am astonished any native yorkshireman would tolerate this challenge to their good name. you don't treat people like this, i'm afraid, and get away entirely scot free. faith, as it were, no more. loss of custom and affection. very sad. mrdelia
  • Score: 21

11:10pm Wed 22 Jan 14

mrdelia says...

AnotherPointofView wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
Cancellingweddinginy


ork
wrote:
I have just received a fine for driving over Lendal Bridge - I most certainly did not see any signs indicating that I should not do this and have gone this way into York on previous visits. I have just asked a colleague who lives in York how one gets from the station into town - he said he had no idea, he had tried the previous weekend and given up after circuiting York twice. My partner and I are getting married in York this spring and staying for a few days afterwards. This incident is making me think about moving the wedding out of York as I don't want guests to incur fines and, frankly, we have no idea how to reach the venues for the hotel and dinner.
I can understand your frustration, but you'd really change the place you get married because of a £30 fine??

Heck - that is a lot of nose cutting off and face spitng! I agree the signage is poor, rubbish even. But life is for living, not for flouncing over.
It's not just the fine that Cancellingweddinginy

ork was concerned about for him/herself but if their guests were to be landed with a fine as well, it would make the wedding one to remember alright but for the wrong reasons.
absolutely, yes, i fully appreciate your dismayed reactions, and your unwillingness to make life difficult for friends and family, given the city's seemingly unpredictable attitude towards their own money trap, and the anxiety i've heard voiced by york residents that this trap will be moved abruptly to another bridge, for reasons which fail to add up yet again, and for a period of time not to be consistently advertised anywhere.
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cancellingweddinginy ork[/bold] wrote: I have just received a fine for driving over Lendal Bridge - I most certainly did not see any signs indicating that I should not do this and have gone this way into York on previous visits. I have just asked a colleague who lives in York how one gets from the station into town - he said he had no idea, he had tried the previous weekend and given up after circuiting York twice. My partner and I are getting married in York this spring and staying for a few days afterwards. This incident is making me think about moving the wedding out of York as I don't want guests to incur fines and, frankly, we have no idea how to reach the venues for the hotel and dinner.[/p][/quote]I can understand your frustration, but you'd really change the place you get married because of a £30 fine?? Heck - that is a lot of nose cutting off and face spitng! I agree the signage is poor, rubbish even. But life is for living, not for flouncing over.[/p][/quote]It's not just the fine that Cancellingweddinginy ork was concerned about for him/herself but if their guests were to be landed with a fine as well, it would make the wedding one to remember alright but for the wrong reasons.[/p][/quote]absolutely, yes, i fully appreciate your dismayed reactions, and your unwillingness to make life difficult for friends and family, given the city's seemingly unpredictable attitude towards their own money trap, and the anxiety i've heard voiced by york residents that this trap will be moved abruptly to another bridge, for reasons which fail to add up yet again, and for a period of time not to be consistently advertised anywhere. mrdelia
  • Score: 5

12:38am Thu 23 Jan 14

jake777 says...

calvito wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
hahahahahaha class... so they now admit its just moved the traffic elsewhere (layerthorpe is delayed by more then 10mins! i was stuck there for 30mins on Saturday!) , the signs don’t work & it will deter tourists. (also workers as a contractor visited me from Glasgow and got fined)

Stop the ban you muppets you've made enough money and there has been no positives from it at all... I wouldn’t visit anywhere again that had bent me over like this stupid trial is.
if you or your contractors can not see the signs that meen all of you are blind!!! if you are blind you should not drive and problem solved!!! there are planty of sings everywhere!!! pepole stop blameing others for your mistakes!!!
well said, all those who complain are a bunch of muppets, and when are the police going to take note of this and fine them for driving without due care and attention.
[quote][p][bold]calvito[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: hahahahahaha class... so they now admit its just moved the traffic elsewhere (layerthorpe is delayed by more then 10mins! i was stuck there for 30mins on Saturday!) , the signs don’t work & it will deter tourists. (also workers as a contractor visited me from Glasgow and got fined) Stop the ban you muppets you've made enough money and there has been no positives from it at all... I wouldn’t visit anywhere again that had bent me over like this stupid trial is.[/p][/quote]if you or your contractors can not see the signs that meen all of you are blind!!! if you are blind you should not drive and problem solved!!! there are planty of sings everywhere!!! pepole stop blameing others for your mistakes!!![/p][/quote]well said, all those who complain are a bunch of muppets, and when are the police going to take note of this and fine them for driving without due care and attention. jake777
  • Score: -65

12:40am Thu 23 Jan 14

jake777 says...

Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:
Rubbish. What's the definition of 'traffic improving'? Gillygate might be considerably more traffic-free during the restriction times but that's because we're all having to go elsewhere. Instead of crossing Lendal Bridge from Gillygate on my journey, I now have to suffer Foss Islands and Fulford Road when I need to drive south and west - and it adds 35 minutes to every journey. And I have to start in the Gillygate area because that's where I live.

That's the bit the council have forgotten about. Unlike them, lots of US actually live in the city centre.
move then.
[quote][p][bold]Ignatius Lumpopo[/bold] wrote: Rubbish. What's the definition of 'traffic improving'? Gillygate might be considerably more traffic-free during the restriction times but that's because we're all having to go elsewhere. Instead of crossing Lendal Bridge from Gillygate on my journey, I now have to suffer Foss Islands and Fulford Road when I need to drive south and west - and it adds 35 minutes to every journey. And I have to start in the Gillygate area because that's where I live. That's the bit the council have forgotten about. Unlike them, lots of US actually live in the city centre.[/p][/quote]move then. jake777
  • Score: -117

12:43am Thu 23 Jan 14

jake777 says...

cassy14 wrote:
I got lost whilst driving in Bradford & ended up in a bus lane which didn't realise until the fine of £60 came through the letter box. guess what, i'll never go back through Bradford again & when York is empty & all the shops are closed the council will blame amazon
only yourself to blame for not looking where you were going, so why blame others you took the bus lane no one forced you.
[quote][p][bold]cassy14[/bold] wrote: I got lost whilst driving in Bradford & ended up in a bus lane which didn't realise until the fine of £60 came through the letter box. guess what, i'll never go back through Bradford again & when York is empty & all the shops are closed the council will blame amazon[/p][/quote]only yourself to blame for not looking where you were going, so why blame others you took the bus lane no one forced you. jake777
  • Score: -126

12:51am Thu 23 Jan 14

jake777 says...

Cancellingweddinginy
ork
wrote:
I have just received a fine for driving over Lendal Bridge - I most certainly did not see any signs indicating that I should not do this and have gone this way into York on previous visits. I have just asked a colleague who lives in York how one gets from the station into town - he said he had no idea, he had tried the previous weekend and given up after circuiting York twice. My partner and I are getting married in York this spring and staying for a few days afterwards. This incident is making me think about moving the wedding out of York as I don't want guests to incur fines and, frankly, we have no idea how to reach the venues for the hotel and dinner.
use a map simple, not a sat nav or can you not read a map either.
[quote][p][bold]Cancellingweddinginy ork[/bold] wrote: I have just received a fine for driving over Lendal Bridge - I most certainly did not see any signs indicating that I should not do this and have gone this way into York on previous visits. I have just asked a colleague who lives in York how one gets from the station into town - he said he had no idea, he had tried the previous weekend and given up after circuiting York twice. My partner and I are getting married in York this spring and staying for a few days afterwards. This incident is making me think about moving the wedding out of York as I don't want guests to incur fines and, frankly, we have no idea how to reach the venues for the hotel and dinner.[/p][/quote]use a map simple, not a sat nav or can you not read a map either. jake777
  • Score: -147

8:23am Thu 23 Jan 14

Lego Fan says...

Come to York...welcome to a beatiful place and history...... then get fined for going over a Bridge that wasn't a problem and things ran smoothly. YORK CITY COUNCIL ARE GREEDY FAT CATS!! Oink Oink!!

How NOT to make tourist welcome award goes to York Council..... people finned....remember who not to vote for on your next local election!!
Come to York...welcome to a beatiful place and history...... then get fined for going over a Bridge that wasn't a problem and things ran smoothly. YORK CITY COUNCIL ARE GREEDY FAT CATS!! Oink Oink!! How NOT to make tourist welcome award goes to York Council..... people finned....remember who not to vote for on your next local election!! Lego Fan
  • Score: 32

8:30am Thu 23 Jan 14

Lego Fan says...

And Kate McCullen, you should be sacked
And Kate McCullen, you should be sacked Lego Fan
  • Score: 29

8:54am Thu 23 Jan 14

tonyfromitaly says...

jake777 wrote:
calvito wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
hahahahahaha class... so they now admit its just moved the traffic elsewhere (layerthorpe is delayed by more then 10mins! i was stuck there for 30mins on Saturday!) , the signs don’t work & it will deter tourists. (also workers as a contractor visited me from Glasgow and got fined)

Stop the ban you muppets you've made enough money and there has been no positives from it at all... I wouldn’t visit anywhere again that had bent me over like this stupid trial is.
if you or your contractors can not see the signs that meen all of you are blind!!! if you are blind you should not drive and problem solved!!! there are planty of sings everywhere!!! pepole stop blameing others for your mistakes!!!
well said, all those who complain are a bunch of muppets, and when are the police going to take note of this and fine them for driving without due care and attention.
Why not jail a few of them for good measure. That will send out a message.
[quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]calvito[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: hahahahahaha class... so they now admit its just moved the traffic elsewhere (layerthorpe is delayed by more then 10mins! i was stuck there for 30mins on Saturday!) , the signs don’t work & it will deter tourists. (also workers as a contractor visited me from Glasgow and got fined) Stop the ban you muppets you've made enough money and there has been no positives from it at all... I wouldn’t visit anywhere again that had bent me over like this stupid trial is.[/p][/quote]if you or your contractors can not see the signs that meen all of you are blind!!! if you are blind you should not drive and problem solved!!! there are planty of sings everywhere!!! pepole stop blameing others for your mistakes!!![/p][/quote]well said, all those who complain are a bunch of muppets, and when are the police going to take note of this and fine them for driving without due care and attention.[/p][/quote]Why not jail a few of them for good measure. That will send out a message. tonyfromitaly
  • Score: -25

11:49am Thu 23 Jan 14

spockboy2 says...

I never realised how bad YCC was until i moved out of York last year.
Con's ,labour or any political groups who ran the City all failed and always will.
Maybe look at UKIP as your future leaders (they are growing fast)

Good riddance,in relation to waste I just wish I could get a rebate on the many thousand of pounds I paid in over the last 40 years .
Should be a PPI type system for folks who feel cheated to claim cash back.
BTW car park charges are frightening tourists off !!
I never realised how bad YCC was until i moved out of York last year. Con's ,labour or any political groups who ran the City all failed and always will. Maybe look at UKIP as your future leaders (they are growing fast) Good riddance,in relation to waste I just wish I could get a rebate on the many thousand of pounds I paid in over the last 40 years . Should be a PPI type system for folks who feel cheated to claim cash back. BTW car park charges are frightening tourists off !! spockboy2
  • Score: 18

2:14pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Igiveinthen says...

jake777 wrote:
Cancellingweddinginy ork wrote: I have just received a fine for driving over Lendal Bridge - I most certainly did not see any signs indicating that I should not do this and have gone this way into York on previous visits. I have just asked a colleague who lives in York how one gets from the station into town - he said he had no idea, he had tried the previous weekend and given up after circuiting York twice. My partner and I are getting married in York this spring and staying for a few days afterwards. This incident is making me think about moving the wedding out of York as I don't want guests to incur fines and, frankly, we have no idea how to reach the venues for the hotel and dinner.
use a map simple, not a sat nav or can you not read a map either.
Not whilst driving you idiot, that WOULDconstitute to driving without due care and attention, AS YOU KEEP HARPING ON ABOUT!, neither will tell you about bridge restrictions!, just hope that your not a driver!
[quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cancellingweddinginy ork[/bold] wrote: I have just received a fine for driving over Lendal Bridge - I most certainly did not see any signs indicating that I should not do this and have gone this way into York on previous visits. I have just asked a colleague who lives in York how one gets from the station into town - he said he had no idea, he had tried the previous weekend and given up after circuiting York twice. My partner and I are getting married in York this spring and staying for a few days afterwards. This incident is making me think about moving the wedding out of York as I don't want guests to incur fines and, frankly, we have no idea how to reach the venues for the hotel and dinner.[/p][/quote]use a map simple, not a sat nav or can you not read a map either.[/p][/quote]Not whilst driving you idiot, that WOULDconstitute to driving without due care and attention, AS YOU KEEP HARPING ON ABOUT!, neither will tell you about bridge restrictions!, just hope that your not a driver! Igiveinthen
  • Score: 23

11:28pm Thu 23 Jan 14

mrdelia says...

jake777 wrote:
Cancellingweddinginy

ork
wrote:
I have just received a fine for driving over Lendal Bridge - I most certainly did not see any signs indicating that I should not do this and have gone this way into York on previous visits. I have just asked a colleague who lives in York how one gets from the station into town - he said he had no idea, he had tried the previous weekend and given up after circuiting York twice. My partner and I are getting married in York this spring and staying for a few days afterwards. This incident is making me think about moving the wedding out of York as I don't want guests to incur fines and, frankly, we have no idea how to reach the venues for the hotel and dinner.
use a map simple, not a sat nav or can you not read a map either.
jake 777.
please keep off the roads.
some of us have children to consider.
unless, of course, my instncts inform me correctly about your driving experience.
in which case, please leave this discussion to the grown-ups in the room.
[quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cancellingweddinginy ork[/bold] wrote: I have just received a fine for driving over Lendal Bridge - I most certainly did not see any signs indicating that I should not do this and have gone this way into York on previous visits. I have just asked a colleague who lives in York how one gets from the station into town - he said he had no idea, he had tried the previous weekend and given up after circuiting York twice. My partner and I are getting married in York this spring and staying for a few days afterwards. This incident is making me think about moving the wedding out of York as I don't want guests to incur fines and, frankly, we have no idea how to reach the venues for the hotel and dinner.[/p][/quote]use a map simple, not a sat nav or can you not read a map either.[/p][/quote]jake 777. please keep off the roads. some of us have children to consider. unless, of course, my instncts inform me correctly about your driving experience. in which case, please leave this discussion to the grown-ups in the room. mrdelia
  • Score: 7

4:54pm Fri 24 Jan 14

mmarshal says...

Once the trial is completed and the foregone conclusion to retain and extend the restriction (closure) is publicised, I'm sure that CYC will be more evenly handed in their issuing of fines. Outside peak hours most of the fines are against visitors but come next April when the restriction/closure is imposed from 7am to 7pm I'm sure that there will be a more equitable spread of fines - perhaps 60% visitor and 40% locals. This should make York residents feel they are being given the same consideration by CYC as is given to visitors. It really is most unfair that visitors are taking so much of this publicity.
Once the trial is completed and the foregone conclusion to retain and extend the restriction (closure) is publicised, I'm sure that CYC will be more evenly handed in their issuing of fines. Outside peak hours most of the fines are against visitors but come next April when the restriction/closure is imposed from 7am to 7pm I'm sure that there will be a more equitable spread of fines - perhaps 60% visitor and 40% locals. This should make York residents feel they are being given the same consideration by CYC as is given to visitors. It really is most unfair that visitors are taking so much of this publicity. mmarshal
  • Score: 1

6:48pm Fri 24 Jan 14

wallman says...

jake777 wrote:
calvito wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
hahahahahaha class... so they now admit its just moved the traffic elsewhere (layerthorpe is delayed by more then 10mins! i was stuck there for 30mins on Saturday!) , the signs don’t work & it will deter tourists. (also workers as a contractor visited me from Glasgow and got fined)

Stop the ban you muppets you've made enough money and there has been no positives from it at all... I wouldn’t visit anywhere again that had bent me over like this stupid trial is.
if you or your contractors can not see the signs that meen all of you are blind!!! if you are blind you should not drive and problem solved!!! there are planty of sings everywhere!!! pepole stop blameing others for your mistakes!!!
well said, all those who complain are a bunch of muppets, and when are the police going to take note of this and fine them for driving without due care and attention.
jake777 says when are the police going to fine people for driving without due care and attention that's very hard to do when signs aren't there like when Coppergate restrictions started
[quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]calvito[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: hahahahahaha class... so they now admit its just moved the traffic elsewhere (layerthorpe is delayed by more then 10mins! i was stuck there for 30mins on Saturday!) , the signs don’t work & it will deter tourists. (also workers as a contractor visited me from Glasgow and got fined) Stop the ban you muppets you've made enough money and there has been no positives from it at all... I wouldn’t visit anywhere again that had bent me over like this stupid trial is.[/p][/quote]if you or your contractors can not see the signs that meen all of you are blind!!! if you are blind you should not drive and problem solved!!! there are planty of sings everywhere!!! pepole stop blameing others for your mistakes!!![/p][/quote]well said, all those who complain are a bunch of muppets, and when are the police going to take note of this and fine them for driving without due care and attention.[/p][/quote]jake777 says when are the police going to fine people for driving without due care and attention that's very hard to do when signs aren't there like when Coppergate restrictions started wallman
  • Score: 0

10:40am Sat 25 Jan 14

Cheeky face says...

It is the order of the words on the signs on Lendal Bridge and Coppergate that need fine tuning. The prohibited period should be before the exceptions.

Also the AA signs should have "closed" instead of "restricted access2. I mentioned to the council months ago!

Have the council permission to extend the trial?
It is the order of the words on the signs on Lendal Bridge and Coppergate that need fine tuning. The prohibited period should be before the exceptions. Also the AA signs should have "closed" instead of "restricted access2. I mentioned to the council months ago! Have the council permission to extend the trial? Cheeky face
  • Score: 3

11:01am Sun 26 Jan 14

Budgie says...

The Highway robbery continues
The Highway robbery continues Budgie
  • Score: 2

2:48pm Sun 26 Jan 14

yorkandnotproudofit says...

CLR baboon and his cronies seems to have learnt how to press a button with all the thumb downs to anyone against the closure .All of us should be very afraid i have seen this movie Charlton Heston and Roddy Mcdowell were in it
CLR baboon and his cronies seems to have learnt how to press a button with all the thumb downs to anyone against the closure .All of us should be very afraid i have seen this movie Charlton Heston and Roddy Mcdowell were in it yorkandnotproudofit
  • Score: 2

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