Political rivals open talks on improving York’s Outer Ring Road

York’s two MPs and leading councillors and council  officials at the talks aimed at improving the outer ring road

York’s two MPs and leading councillors and council officials at the talks aimed at improving the outer ring road

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POLITICAL rivals have opened cross-party talks aimed at securing Government cash to improve York’s Outer Ring Road.

The city’s Labour and Conservative MPs and the leaders of City of York Council’s four political groups yesterday discussed what the authority’s leader, Coun James Alexander, called a “united approach” to winning the vast sums needed to upgrade the route, where end-to-end morning journey times are set to increase from 20 minutes to more than an hour by 2021.

Options studied in recent years have included a dual-carriageway and larger roundabouts, while a new Park&Ride site at Clifton Moor and a Haxby station could ease traffic levels, but roads linked to the A1237 may also need improvements to make schemes work. The talks were attended by group leaders Couns Chris Steward, Keith Aspden and Andy D’Agorne, as well as MPs Hugh Bayley and Julian Sturdy.

Coun Alexander said: “I called for this meeting to grab the opportunity to work together to secure Government funds with both hands, so we can achieve the upgrading of the outer ring road.”

Coun Dave Merrett, cabinet member for transport, said dualling the road is estimated to cost more than £350 million, and while schemes such as the British Sugar development would contribute financially towards some upgrades, the authority must seek national and European funding.

Dualling the stretch between Wetherby Road and Clifton Moor has been identified as a key aspiration and the council has begun preliminary work on potential upgrades.

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12:45pm Sat 11 Jan 14

AnotherPointofView says...

I'll be gobsmacked if they can work together to achieve anything beneficial for York residents and IMPROVE the A1237.
I'll be gobsmacked if they can work together to achieve anything beneficial for York residents and IMPROVE the A1237. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: 24

1:20pm Sat 11 Jan 14

The OX says...

Shut the A1237 7am to 7pm that should stop it filling up with traffic, lol
Shut the A1237 7am to 7pm that should stop it filling up with traffic, lol The OX
  • Score: 56

1:30pm Sat 11 Jan 14

CaroleBaines says...

Won't hold my breath but I would say this is at least a step in the right direction. Something does need to be done - this is York's single most problem imho.
Won't hold my breath but I would say this is at least a step in the right direction. Something does need to be done - this is York's single most problem imho. CaroleBaines
  • Score: 14

3:37pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Rocking Horse says...

What is a man who wears short-sleeved shirts in the middle of winter, trying to tell us ?
What is a man who wears short-sleeved shirts in the middle of winter, trying to tell us ? Rocking Horse
  • Score: -39

8:15pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Heslington says...

Rocking Horse wrote:
What is a man who wears short-sleeved shirts in the middle of winter, trying to tell us ?
And only the Lib Dum not wearing a tie.....

Sturdy looks smug and so he should - how can the other parties attack his failed 2010 Election promise to dual the ring road now?!
[quote][p][bold]Rocking Horse[/bold] wrote: What is a man who wears short-sleeved shirts in the middle of winter, trying to tell us ?[/p][/quote]And only the Lib Dum not wearing a tie..... Sturdy looks smug and so he should - how can the other parties attack his failed 2010 Election promise to dual the ring road now?! Heslington
  • Score: 20

3:08pm Sun 12 Jan 14

pedalling paul says...

Still no-one prepared to predict how few years it would take for a dualled road to become as busy as the existing one? Or will heads be buried in the sand?
http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Induced_dem
and for an enlightened appraisal of this topic.
Still no-one prepared to predict how few years it would take for a dualled road to become as busy as the existing one? Or will heads be buried in the sand? http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Induced_dem and for an enlightened appraisal of this topic. pedalling paul
  • Score: 31

4:25pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Diogenes2 says...

Rocking Horse wrote:
What is a man who wears short-sleeved shirts in the middle of winter, trying to tell us ?
That he is a macho man!
Seriously,
York Council will do NOTHING about the dualllng the A1237 as the council elected members are in under the combined thumb of the (unnelected) council officers who really control York Council.
Sack them council officers NOW!
The are not needed. Pen pushers, one and all.
Mr. Alexander, are you listening? The council officers no NOTHING for the city and its problems.
[quote][p][bold]Rocking Horse[/bold] wrote: What is a man who wears short-sleeved shirts in the middle of winter, trying to tell us ?[/p][/quote]That he is a macho man! Seriously, York Council will do NOTHING about the dualllng the A1237 as the council elected members are in under the combined thumb of the (unnelected) council officers who really control York Council. Sack them council officers NOW! The are not needed. Pen pushers, one and all. Mr. Alexander, are you listening? The council officers no NOTHING for the city and its problems. Diogenes2
  • Score: -55

4:34pm Sun 12 Jan 14

T'Marcus says...

Diogenes2 wrote:
Rocking Horse wrote:
What is a man who wears short-sleeved shirts in the middle of winter, trying to tell us ?
That he is a macho man!
Seriously,
York Council will do NOTHING about the dualllng the A1237 as the council elected members are in under the combined thumb of the (unnelected) council officers who really control York Council.
Sack them council officers NOW!
The are not needed. Pen pushers, one and all.
Mr. Alexander, are you listening? The council officers no NOTHING for the city and its problems.
I agree with Diogenes2.
York Council are controlled by the officers, heads of department like roads and highways.
The officers are salaried, not elected, and can do what the like. Messrs Alexander and Merrett are just mouthpieces of the officers of the council.
I agree. Sack them all. The are qualified to do the job they hold.
[quote][p][bold]Diogenes2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rocking Horse[/bold] wrote: What is a man who wears short-sleeved shirts in the middle of winter, trying to tell us ?[/p][/quote]That he is a macho man! Seriously, York Council will do NOTHING about the dualllng the A1237 as the council elected members are in under the combined thumb of the (unnelected) council officers who really control York Council. Sack them council officers NOW! The are not needed. Pen pushers, one and all. Mr. Alexander, are you listening? The council officers no NOTHING for the city and its problems.[/p][/quote]I agree with Diogenes2. York Council are controlled by the officers, heads of department like roads and highways. The officers are salaried, not elected, and can do what the like. Messrs Alexander and Merrett are just mouthpieces of the officers of the council. I agree. Sack them all. The are qualified to do the job they hold. T'Marcus
  • Score: -34

4:37pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Mr. Marcus says...

The council officers are ruining our city!
The council officers are ruining our city! Mr. Marcus
  • Score: -35

10:07pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Tom6187 says...

A quick look at some of the people in the picture tells you all you need to know, nothing will improve.
A quick look at some of the people in the picture tells you all you need to know, nothing will improve. Tom6187
  • Score: 2

3:59am Mon 13 Jan 14

Magicman! says...

CaroleBaines wrote:
Won't hold my breath but I would say this is at least a step in the right direction. Something does need to be done - this is York's single most problem imho.
Getting the A1237 flowing freely and this will take traffic away from Water End, Holgate, Blossom Street, Skeldergate Bridge, Wigginton Road, and to a slightly lesser extent Foss Islands Road and Paragon Street/Fishergate Gyratory. It's all supressed demand, which is why the centre centre is so clogged up.

Get the A1237 dualled, with flyovers at the junctions (junctions at ground level would retain roundabouts, but as the primary flow would be on the flyover the junctions would flow much better; remove both roundabouts at Hopgrove and reroute A1036 to run behind Asda and up that way to a freeflow junction onto the A1237 - then turn the 2-lane A1237 into a lane gain either way onto the A64 by means of a 'trumpet' type junction... a long approach would be needed for the lane going towards joining with the Malton-bound A64, as there would be traffic lights at the end until that section of the A64 is dualled (at which point, said lane from A1237 would then become lane 1 of eastbound A64; in the same way as lane 2 of eastbound A1237 would have become lane 1 of westbound A64).

Yes, traffic levels on the A1237 would increase, but trying to use that as an argument to prevent development is fundamentally flawed. When you see a Transpennine train to Manchester standing at York station full to the rafters with standing passengers, would you say "well we shouldn't add more carriages or put more trains on the route because then that would let more people use the train and then those trains will get full too"?? No, because that is moronic.
[quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: Won't hold my breath but I would say this is at least a step in the right direction. Something does need to be done - this is York's single most problem imho.[/p][/quote]Getting the A1237 flowing freely and this will take traffic away from Water End, Holgate, Blossom Street, Skeldergate Bridge, Wigginton Road, and to a slightly lesser extent Foss Islands Road and Paragon Street/Fishergate Gyratory. It's all supressed demand, which is why the centre centre is so clogged up. Get the A1237 dualled, with flyovers at the junctions (junctions at ground level would retain roundabouts, but as the primary flow would be on the flyover the junctions would flow much better; remove both roundabouts at Hopgrove and reroute A1036 to run behind Asda and up that way to a freeflow junction onto the A1237 - then turn the 2-lane A1237 into a lane gain either way onto the A64 by means of a 'trumpet' type junction... a long approach would be needed for the lane going towards joining with the Malton-bound A64, as there would be traffic lights at the end until that section of the A64 is dualled (at which point, said lane from A1237 would then become lane 1 of eastbound A64; in the same way as lane 2 of eastbound A1237 would have become lane 1 of westbound A64). Yes, traffic levels on the A1237 would increase, but trying to use that as an argument to prevent development is fundamentally flawed. When you see a Transpennine train to Manchester standing at York station full to the rafters with standing passengers, would you say "well we shouldn't add more carriages or put more trains on the route because then that would let more people use the train and then those trains will get full too"?? No, because that is moronic. Magicman!
  • Score: 3

4:50am Mon 13 Jan 14

the butler says...

So Carol Baines has the first common-sense comment, will her voice in the wilderness be studied?, It has always been the junctions that needed alteration in order to allow traffic to run smoothly, forget duelling, that only encourages more vehicles in the hope of smooth flow that never was, which has been a dream of most motorists.
How much more acreage would these fly overs take? the butler
So Carol Baines has the first common-sense comment, will her voice in the wilderness be studied?, It has always been the junctions that needed alteration in order to allow traffic to run smoothly, forget duelling, that only encourages more vehicles in the hope of smooth flow that never was, which has been a dream of most motorists. How much more acreage would these fly overs take? the butler the butler
  • Score: 3

2:45pm Mon 13 Jan 14

meme says...

some very interesting expressions in the photo...forced smiles I think!
some very interesting expressions in the photo...forced smiles I think! meme
  • Score: 1

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