£50m bid to upgrade A64 and beat delays

The A64's Hoprgrove roundabout, near York, one of the sections which could be improved if the funding bid succeeds

The A64's Hoprgrove roundabout, near York, one of the sections which could be improved if the funding bid succeeds

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A £50 MILLION funding bid by councils across North Yorkshire which could lead to sections of the A64 being widened or dualled has today been announced.

North Yorkshire County Council and district authorities in Ryedale and Scarborough have worked as a consortium with City of York Council and the Highways Agency to apply to the Government's Local Growth Fund for the money, which would be paid over six years.

If it succeeds, it would be used to pay for improvements to the A64, such as widening or dualling some stretches of the road, and cut congestion. Hopgrove roundabout and other junctions on the east of York could also be in line for upgrades and better safety measures.

All schemes which receive funding will have to be completed by 2021, with the consortium saying further improvements - such as village bypasses between Malton and Scarborough - could be included in later bids.

The A64 funding application has been included in the draft Strategic Economic Plan for York, North and East Yorkshire. The councils expect to find out whether they have succeeded in July, but are competing against rival bids from across the country.

Earlier this week, Prime Minister David Cameron said he would "look carefully" at the case for improvements to the A64, which has been plagued by accidents over the years.

"While many people might have aspirations of a dual carriageway all the way to Scarborough, realistically there is not going to be enough Government funding to allow this in the foreseeable future," said Coun Gareth Dadd, the county council's executive member for highways.

“The Local Growth Fund gives us the opportunity to try to do something to improve this important North Yorkshire road, and we hope the Government will approve our bid.”

Coun James Alexander, leader of City of York Council, said a successful bid would cut delays and improve safety at one of the city's key gateways, saying: "We particularly welcome the opportunity to increase capacity at the Hopgrove roundabout and resolve safety concerns at a number of junctions east of York where accidents have occurred in recent years."

He said the bid tied in with the council's aims of upgrading the city's Outer Ring Road.

Ryedale District Council leader Linda Cowling said congestion and slow traffic had been a major issue in the area for years, saying: "This has a significant effect on our local economies and making stronger links with York.

"The Local Growth Fund, designed specifically to address these types of problem, has allowed our local councils to come together with the Highways Agency to try and make a start on much-needed improvements”.

Coun Derek Bastiman, Scarborough Borough Council's cabinet member for regeneration and strategic planning, said the coastal economy would see "major benefits" if journey times along the A64 were cut and this would encourage new businesses to the area.

 

 

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3:44pm Fri 10 Jan 14

gillibeth says...

Millions has not long been spent on the Hopgrove roundabout, money needs spending on making the road wider from the hopgrove to malton,
This road is a total nightmare in the summer and needs sorting, after that the road can be improved from Malton to Scarborough, stop wasting money and get on with the job.
Millions has not long been spent on the Hopgrove roundabout, money needs spending on making the road wider from the hopgrove to malton, This road is a total nightmare in the summer and needs sorting, after that the road can be improved from Malton to Scarborough, stop wasting money and get on with the job. gillibeth
  • Score: 44

3:48pm Fri 10 Jan 14

the original Homer says...

Considering the A64 is the Leeds to York to Scarbourough road, the concept of a Scarborough bypass is interesting.
Why bypass the very place you're supposed to be heading for?
It's a novel idea for easing congestion though. After all, the M1 would be a lot quiter if it bypassed London and went to Norfolk instead.
Considering the A64 is the Leeds to York to Scarbourough road, the concept of a Scarborough bypass is interesting. Why bypass the very place you're supposed to be heading for? It's a novel idea for easing congestion though. After all, the M1 would be a lot quiter if it bypassed London and went to Norfolk instead. the original Homer
  • Score: 20

3:54pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Igiveinthen says...

..............If it succeeds, it would be used to pay for improvements to the A64, such as widening or dualling some stretches of the road, and cut congestion. Hopgrove roundabout and other junctions on the east of York could also be in line for upgrades and better safety measures............
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Peddallingpaul will be apoplectic when he reads this, he will be banging on about "induced traffic" or whatever his plagerised comments are, saying the money could be better spent on some cycling project or similar.
Hope the funding is granted and that they improve the notorious bottle neck at the Hopgrove junction, as it is the A64 is a no go area for me during summer weekends and bank holiday weekends.
..............If it succeeds, it would be used to pay for improvements to the A64, such as widening or dualling some stretches of the road, and cut congestion. Hopgrove roundabout and other junctions on the east of York could also be in line for upgrades and better safety measures............ ....... Peddallingpaul will be apoplectic when he reads this, he will be banging on about "induced traffic" or whatever his plagerised comments are, saying the money could be better spent on some cycling project or similar. Hope the funding is granted and that they improve the notorious bottle neck at the Hopgrove junction, as it is the A64 is a no go area for me during summer weekends and bank holiday weekends. Igiveinthen
  • Score: 3756

4:05pm Fri 10 Jan 14

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

which COULD lead to sections of the A64 being widened or dualled.

Says it all really.
which [b]COULD[/b] lead to sections of the A64 being widened or dualled. Says it all really. NoNewsIsGoodNews
  • Score: 23

4:13pm Fri 10 Jan 14

pedalling paul says...

Igiveinthen wrote:
..............If it succeeds, it would be used to pay for improvements to the A64, such as widening or dualling some stretches of the road, and cut congestion. Hopgrove roundabout and other junctions on the east of York could also be in line for upgrades and better safety measures............

.......
Peddallingpaul will be apoplectic when he reads this, he will be banging on about "induced traffic" or whatever his plagerised comments are, saying the money could be better spent on some cycling project or similar.
Hope the funding is granted and that they improve the notorious bottle neck at the Hopgrove junction, as it is the A64 is a no go area for me during summer weekends and bank holiday weekends.
Apoplectic....grrrr!
Just hope that the Highways Agency acknowledges the effects of severance by widened roads, upon local sustainable travel choices. The A1237 sliced through several minor roads leading to local villages, and robbed a generation of the opportunity to cross the road safely on foot or by bike. Thankfully some of those issues were redressed by after the road's detrunking and handover to CoYC.
The A1 widening similarly caused several minor road crossings to be severed or for turning restrictions to be introduced.
But it is undeniably true that "improved" roads generate more car journeys. Bigger jams tomorrow instead of jam tomorrow...........
[quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: ..............If it succeeds, it would be used to pay for improvements to the A64, such as widening or dualling some stretches of the road, and cut congestion. Hopgrove roundabout and other junctions on the east of York could also be in line for upgrades and better safety measures............ ....... Peddallingpaul will be apoplectic when he reads this, he will be banging on about "induced traffic" or whatever his plagerised comments are, saying the money could be better spent on some cycling project or similar. Hope the funding is granted and that they improve the notorious bottle neck at the Hopgrove junction, as it is the A64 is a no go area for me during summer weekends and bank holiday weekends.[/p][/quote]Apoplectic....grrrr! Just hope that the Highways Agency acknowledges the effects of severance by widened roads, upon local sustainable travel choices. The A1237 sliced through several minor roads leading to local villages, and robbed a generation of the opportunity to cross the road safely on foot or by bike. Thankfully some of those issues were redressed by after the road's detrunking and handover to CoYC. The A1 widening similarly caused several minor road crossings to be severed or for turning restrictions to be introduced. But it is undeniably true that "improved" roads generate more car journeys. Bigger jams tomorrow instead of jam tomorrow........... pedalling paul
  • Score: -1891

4:34pm Fri 10 Jan 14

roadwars says...

the original Homer wrote:
Considering the A64 is the Leeds to York to Scarbourough road, the concept of a Scarborough bypass is interesting.
Why bypass the very place you're supposed to be heading for?
It's a novel idea for easing congestion though. After all, the M1 would be a lot quiter if it bypassed London and went to Norfolk instead.
Where does it say anything about a Scarborough bypass?
[quote][p][bold]the original Homer[/bold] wrote: Considering the A64 is the Leeds to York to Scarbourough road, the concept of a Scarborough bypass is interesting. Why bypass the very place you're supposed to be heading for? It's a novel idea for easing congestion though. After all, the M1 would be a lot quiter if it bypassed London and went to Norfolk instead.[/p][/quote]Where does it say anything about a Scarborough bypass? roadwars
  • Score: 17

4:43pm Fri 10 Jan 14

hardlybelievable says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Igiveinthen wrote:
..............If it succeeds, it would be used to pay for improvements to the A64, such as widening or dualling some stretches of the road, and cut congestion. Hopgrove roundabout and other junctions on the east of York could also be in line for upgrades and better safety measures............


.......
Peddallingpaul will be apoplectic when he reads this, he will be banging on about "induced traffic" or whatever his plagerised comments are, saying the money could be better spent on some cycling project or similar.
Hope the funding is granted and that they improve the notorious bottle neck at the Hopgrove junction, as it is the A64 is a no go area for me during summer weekends and bank holiday weekends.
Apoplectic....grrrr!
Just hope that the Highways Agency acknowledges the effects of severance by widened roads, upon local sustainable travel choices. The A1237 sliced through several minor roads leading to local villages, and robbed a generation of the opportunity to cross the road safely on foot or by bike. Thankfully some of those issues were redressed by after the road's detrunking and handover to CoYC.
The A1 widening similarly caused several minor road crossings to be severed or for turning restrictions to be introduced.
But it is undeniably true that "improved" roads generate more car journeys. Bigger jams tomorrow instead of jam tomorrow...........
Don't worry the bit of duelling that York are in charge of will be OK, the second lane will be a cycle lane.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: ..............If it succeeds, it would be used to pay for improvements to the A64, such as widening or dualling some stretches of the road, and cut congestion. Hopgrove roundabout and other junctions on the east of York could also be in line for upgrades and better safety measures............ ....... Peddallingpaul will be apoplectic when he reads this, he will be banging on about "induced traffic" or whatever his plagerised comments are, saying the money could be better spent on some cycling project or similar. Hope the funding is granted and that they improve the notorious bottle neck at the Hopgrove junction, as it is the A64 is a no go area for me during summer weekends and bank holiday weekends.[/p][/quote]Apoplectic....grrrr! Just hope that the Highways Agency acknowledges the effects of severance by widened roads, upon local sustainable travel choices. The A1237 sliced through several minor roads leading to local villages, and robbed a generation of the opportunity to cross the road safely on foot or by bike. Thankfully some of those issues were redressed by after the road's detrunking and handover to CoYC. The A1 widening similarly caused several minor road crossings to be severed or for turning restrictions to be introduced. But it is undeniably true that "improved" roads generate more car journeys. Bigger jams tomorrow instead of jam tomorrow...........[/p][/quote]Don't worry the bit of duelling that York are in charge of will be OK, the second lane will be a cycle lane. hardlybelievable
  • Score: 25

4:46pm Fri 10 Jan 14

crazy_idea says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Igiveinthen wrote:
..............If it succeeds, it would be used to pay for improvements to the A64, such as widening or dualling some stretches of the road, and cut congestion. Hopgrove roundabout and other junctions on the east of York could also be in line for upgrades and better safety measures............


.......
Peddallingpaul will be apoplectic when he reads this, he will be banging on about "induced traffic" or whatever his plagerised comments are, saying the money could be better spent on some cycling project or similar.
Hope the funding is granted and that they improve the notorious bottle neck at the Hopgrove junction, as it is the A64 is a no go area for me during summer weekends and bank holiday weekends.
Apoplectic....grrrr!
Just hope that the Highways Agency acknowledges the effects of severance by widened roads, upon local sustainable travel choices. The A1237 sliced through several minor roads leading to local villages, and robbed a generation of the opportunity to cross the road safely on foot or by bike. Thankfully some of those issues were redressed by after the road's detrunking and handover to CoYC.
The A1 widening similarly caused several minor road crossings to be severed or for turning restrictions to be introduced.
But it is undeniably true that "improved" roads generate more car journeys. Bigger jams tomorrow instead of jam tomorrow...........
Good point! Trying to cross the A64 above York is already dangerous. Lets hope they include an under/overpass. Not everyone wants to go to Scarborough when the sun comes out!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: ..............If it succeeds, it would be used to pay for improvements to the A64, such as widening or dualling some stretches of the road, and cut congestion. Hopgrove roundabout and other junctions on the east of York could also be in line for upgrades and better safety measures............ ....... Peddallingpaul will be apoplectic when he reads this, he will be banging on about "induced traffic" or whatever his plagerised comments are, saying the money could be better spent on some cycling project or similar. Hope the funding is granted and that they improve the notorious bottle neck at the Hopgrove junction, as it is the A64 is a no go area for me during summer weekends and bank holiday weekends.[/p][/quote]Apoplectic....grrrr! Just hope that the Highways Agency acknowledges the effects of severance by widened roads, upon local sustainable travel choices. The A1237 sliced through several minor roads leading to local villages, and robbed a generation of the opportunity to cross the road safely on foot or by bike. Thankfully some of those issues were redressed by after the road's detrunking and handover to CoYC. The A1 widening similarly caused several minor road crossings to be severed or for turning restrictions to be introduced. But it is undeniably true that "improved" roads generate more car journeys. Bigger jams tomorrow instead of jam tomorrow...........[/p][/quote]Good point! Trying to cross the A64 above York is already dangerous. Lets hope they include an under/overpass. Not everyone wants to go to Scarborough when the sun comes out! crazy_idea
  • Score: 124

4:48pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Igiveinthen says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Igiveinthen wrote:
..............If it succeeds, it would be used to pay for improvements to the A64, such as widening or dualling some stretches of the road, and cut congestion. Hopgrove roundabout and other junctions on the east of York could also be in line for upgrades and better safety measures............


.......
Peddallingpaul will be apoplectic when he reads this, he will be banging on about "induced traffic" or whatever his plagerised comments are, saying the money could be better spent on some cycling project or similar.
Hope the funding is granted and that they improve the notorious bottle neck at the Hopgrove junction, as it is the A64 is a no go area for me during summer weekends and bank holiday weekends.
Apoplectic....grrrr!
Just hope that the Highways Agency acknowledges the effects of severance by widened roads, upon local sustainable travel choices. The A1237 sliced through several minor roads leading to local villages, and robbed a generation of the opportunity to cross the road safely on foot or by bike. Thankfully some of those issues were redressed by after the road's detrunking and handover to CoYC.
The A1 widening similarly caused several minor road crossings to be severed or for turning restrictions to be introduced.
But it is undeniably true that "improved" roads generate more car journeys. Bigger jams tomorrow instead of jam tomorrow...........
Please Paul can you find some other quotes for your repertoire, I don't understand how the improvements to roads outside the city, supposedly built to take traffic away from the city - now there's a joke affects you? I suppose you are not in favour of motor way upgrades either.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: ..............If it succeeds, it would be used to pay for improvements to the A64, such as widening or dualling some stretches of the road, and cut congestion. Hopgrove roundabout and other junctions on the east of York could also be in line for upgrades and better safety measures............ ....... Peddallingpaul will be apoplectic when he reads this, he will be banging on about "induced traffic" or whatever his plagerised comments are, saying the money could be better spent on some cycling project or similar. Hope the funding is granted and that they improve the notorious bottle neck at the Hopgrove junction, as it is the A64 is a no go area for me during summer weekends and bank holiday weekends.[/p][/quote]Apoplectic....grrrr! Just hope that the Highways Agency acknowledges the effects of severance by widened roads, upon local sustainable travel choices. The A1237 sliced through several minor roads leading to local villages, and robbed a generation of the opportunity to cross the road safely on foot or by bike. Thankfully some of those issues were redressed by after the road's detrunking and handover to CoYC. The A1 widening similarly caused several minor road crossings to be severed or for turning restrictions to be introduced. But it is undeniably true that "improved" roads generate more car journeys. Bigger jams tomorrow instead of jam tomorrow...........[/p][/quote]Please Paul can you find some other quotes for your repertoire, I don't understand how the improvements to roads outside the city, supposedly built to take traffic away from the city - now there's a joke affects you? I suppose you are not in favour of motor way upgrades either. Igiveinthen
  • Score: -77

5:44pm Fri 10 Jan 14

bolero says...

For a start can we please ignore PP and his antagonists. This person has a one track mind and can therefore offer little sensible argument or discussion on the subject in question. £50m is quite frankly going to go nowhere. If alterations were to be made at the Hopgrove the money would undoubtedly be taken up on this alone. The Hopgrove is not and never has been the source of the problem. The problem lies in the narrowing of the dual carriageway into a single carriageway at various locations along the A64 and none more so than at the point east of the Hopgrove. The necassery solution to this would undoubtedly be far in excess of £50m. Remember it is 2014 and we are getting ever closer to the 2015 elections so is this nothing more than a weak attempt to harness a few votes.
For a start can we please ignore PP and his antagonists. This person has a one track mind and can therefore offer little sensible argument or discussion on the subject in question. £50m is quite frankly going to go nowhere. If alterations were to be made at the Hopgrove the money would undoubtedly be taken up on this alone. The Hopgrove is not and never has been the source of the problem. The problem lies in the narrowing of the dual carriageway into a single carriageway at various locations along the A64 and none more so than at the point east of the Hopgrove. The necassery solution to this would undoubtedly be far in excess of £50m. Remember it is 2014 and we are getting ever closer to the 2015 elections so is this nothing more than a weak attempt to harness a few votes. bolero
  • Score: 179

8:41pm Fri 10 Jan 14

yorkguy says...

Few points the York section of A64 will not be touched by york council as all the A64 is run by the highways agency so any scheme is only ever done by them!

As for it causing more traffic, I think paul will find that yes it will take more traffic if dualled but by removing it off other local roads that have become rat runs giving local people the local roads back!

The A64 at present is holding back any growth in the ryedale and Scarborough area so lets hope it gets done!

As for the mention of a bypass for scarborough if you read it, it states village bypasses between malton and scarborough for places like rillington
Few points the York section of A64 will not be touched by york council as all the A64 is run by the highways agency so any scheme is only ever done by them! As for it causing more traffic, I think paul will find that yes it will take more traffic if dualled but by removing it off other local roads that have become rat runs giving local people the local roads back! The A64 at present is holding back any growth in the ryedale and Scarborough area so lets hope it gets done! As for the mention of a bypass for scarborough if you read it, it states village bypasses between malton and scarborough for places like rillington yorkguy
  • Score: 13

8:56pm Fri 10 Jan 14

bolero says...

Nice to see that these postings are being read by so many people. Or is the same person reading them several times and have the perverse knowledge to enable them to manipulate the voting scores?
Nice to see that these postings are being read by so many people. Or is the same person reading them several times and have the perverse knowledge to enable them to manipulate the voting scores? bolero
  • Score: 11

9:24pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Barrance says...

The main problem with the Hopgrove roundabout is the fact that it IS a roundabout! ...Traffic has to come to a stop. You only have to look at the A1237 to realise what happens there!
The best and only solution would be to lengthen the already existing slip road, towards York and take out the existing roundabout altogether and put an OVERPASS bridge towards Malton, and an underpass for the traffic coming from Malton to turn towards York. That way the traffic keeps moving. Also maybe lengthen the existing dual carriageway just to be sure the slowing traffic doesn't block the slip road as it filters down to one lane.
The main problem with the Hopgrove roundabout is the fact that it IS a roundabout! ...Traffic has to come to a stop. You only have to look at the A1237 to realise what happens there! The best and only solution would be to lengthen the already existing slip road, towards York and take out the existing roundabout altogether and put an OVERPASS bridge towards Malton, and an underpass for the traffic coming from Malton to turn towards York. That way the traffic keeps moving. Also maybe lengthen the existing dual carriageway just to be sure the slowing traffic doesn't block the slip road as it filters down to one lane. Barrance
  • Score: 9

9:58pm Fri 10 Jan 14

BorderReiver says...

Hopgrove - spaghetti junction ??
Hopgrove - spaghetti junction ?? BorderReiver
  • Score: -8

10:28pm Fri 10 Jan 14

yorkguy says...

its the drop down to 1 lane after the hopgrove that causes all the delays, build a new dual carriageway east of hopgrove and the delays will vanish.
its the drop down to 1 lane after the hopgrove that causes all the delays, build a new dual carriageway east of hopgrove and the delays will vanish. yorkguy
  • Score: 16

10:37pm Fri 10 Jan 14

bolero says...

Barrance wrote:
The main problem with the Hopgrove roundabout is the fact that it IS a roundabout! ...Traffic has to come to a stop. You only have to look at the A1237 to realise what happens there!
The best and only solution would be to lengthen the already existing slip road, towards York and take out the existing roundabout altogether and put an OVERPASS bridge towards Malton, and an underpass for the traffic coming from Malton to turn towards York. That way the traffic keeps moving. Also maybe lengthen the existing dual carriageway just to be sure the slowing traffic doesn't block the slip road as it filters down to one lane.
I don't think this could be done for £150m never mind £50m.
[quote][p][bold]Barrance[/bold] wrote: The main problem with the Hopgrove roundabout is the fact that it IS a roundabout! ...Traffic has to come to a stop. You only have to look at the A1237 to realise what happens there! The best and only solution would be to lengthen the already existing slip road, towards York and take out the existing roundabout altogether and put an OVERPASS bridge towards Malton, and an underpass for the traffic coming from Malton to turn towards York. That way the traffic keeps moving. Also maybe lengthen the existing dual carriageway just to be sure the slowing traffic doesn't block the slip road as it filters down to one lane.[/p][/quote]I don't think this could be done for £150m never mind £50m. bolero
  • Score: 8

11:13pm Fri 10 Jan 14

greenmonkey says...

bolero wrote:
For a start can we please ignore PP and his antagonists. This person has a one track mind and can therefore offer little sensible argument or discussion on the subject in question. £50m is quite frankly going to go nowhere. If alterations were to be made at the Hopgrove the money would undoubtedly be taken up on this alone. The Hopgrove is not and never has been the source of the problem. The problem lies in the narrowing of the dual carriageway into a single carriageway at various locations along the A64 and none more so than at the point east of the Hopgrove. The necassery solution to this would undoubtedly be far in excess of £50m. Remember it is 2014 and we are getting ever closer to the 2015 elections so is this nothing more than a weak attempt to harness a few votes.
Ignoring the comments about specific contributors, this post is very sound. Some £10m was spent on an extra lane around Hopgrove roundabout including all the overhead gantry lights, but the fundamental problem of a dual carriageway tapering into single carriageway remains. It will be an issue wherever it happens, but is compounded by right turning into and out of Sand Hutton and short cutting traffic being let out of North Lane into the slow moving line of traffic .As for safety the most risky points are where cars or farm vehicles and lorries turn across fast moving traffic, such as at Castle Howard junction. Stick a 50mph limit either side of the junction with a fixed speed camera as some other counties do, or close off the left lane for deceleration and acceleration lanes and you will cut the fatalities overnight.
[quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: For a start can we please ignore PP and his antagonists. This person has a one track mind and can therefore offer little sensible argument or discussion on the subject in question. £50m is quite frankly going to go nowhere. If alterations were to be made at the Hopgrove the money would undoubtedly be taken up on this alone. The Hopgrove is not and never has been the source of the problem. The problem lies in the narrowing of the dual carriageway into a single carriageway at various locations along the A64 and none more so than at the point east of the Hopgrove. The necassery solution to this would undoubtedly be far in excess of £50m. Remember it is 2014 and we are getting ever closer to the 2015 elections so is this nothing more than a weak attempt to harness a few votes.[/p][/quote]Ignoring the comments about specific contributors, this post is very sound. Some £10m was spent on an extra lane around Hopgrove roundabout including all the overhead gantry lights, but the fundamental problem of a dual carriageway tapering into single carriageway remains. It will be an issue wherever it happens, but is compounded by right turning into and out of Sand Hutton and short cutting traffic being let out of North Lane into the slow moving line of traffic .As for safety the most risky points are where cars or farm vehicles and lorries turn across fast moving traffic, such as at Castle Howard junction. Stick a 50mph limit either side of the junction with a fixed speed camera as some other counties do, or close off the left lane for deceleration and acceleration lanes and you will cut the fatalities overnight. greenmonkey
  • Score: 4

11:18pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Caecilius says...

Igiveinthen wrote:
..............If it succeeds, it would be used to pay for improvements to the A64, such as widening or dualling some stretches of the road, and cut congestion. Hopgrove roundabout and other junctions on the east of York could also be in line for upgrades and better safety measures............

.......
Peddallingpaul will be apoplectic when he reads this, he will be banging on about "induced traffic" or whatever his plagerised comments are, saying the money could be better spent on some cycling project or similar.
Hope the funding is granted and that they improve the notorious bottle neck at the Hopgrove junction, as it is the A64 is a no go area for me during summer weekends and bank holiday weekends.
I doubt he would, as the most ambitious "cycling project" you might care to name would be more likely to cost £50k than £50M. But the expenditure would be futile, as the widened/dualled road will simply fill up again with cars in due course, leading to renewed cries for further tens of millions of pounds of taxpayers' money to be splurged on pacifying motorists.
[quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: ..............If it succeeds, it would be used to pay for improvements to the A64, such as widening or dualling some stretches of the road, and cut congestion. Hopgrove roundabout and other junctions on the east of York could also be in line for upgrades and better safety measures............ ....... Peddallingpaul will be apoplectic when he reads this, he will be banging on about "induced traffic" or whatever his plagerised comments are, saying the money could be better spent on some cycling project or similar. Hope the funding is granted and that they improve the notorious bottle neck at the Hopgrove junction, as it is the A64 is a no go area for me during summer weekends and bank holiday weekends.[/p][/quote]I doubt he would, as the most ambitious "cycling project" you might care to name would be more likely to cost £50k than £50M. But the expenditure would be futile, as the widened/dualled road will simply fill up again with cars in due course, leading to renewed cries for further tens of millions of pounds of taxpayers' money to be splurged on pacifying motorists. Caecilius
  • Score: -13

1:30am Sat 11 Jan 14

Barrance says...

It doesnt matter how many lanes you have at the other side of the roundabout, the traffic still has to come to a stop at the junction. This is where the problem lies. You can have ten lanes at the other side, vehicles still have to negotiate the roundabout which in turn backs up the traffic behind it. An overpass is the only solution to the problem.
It doesnt matter how many lanes you have at the other side of the roundabout, the traffic still has to come to a stop at the junction. This is where the problem lies. You can have ten lanes at the other side, vehicles still have to negotiate the roundabout which in turn backs up the traffic behind it. An overpass is the only solution to the problem. Barrance
  • Score: 8

7:15am Sat 11 Jan 14

sniper 9964 says...

What a load of bollix. It will never happen
What a load of bollix. It will never happen sniper 9964
  • Score: 4

8:18am Sat 11 Jan 14

groovygran says...

Barrance wrote:
The main problem with the Hopgrove roundabout is the fact that it IS a roundabout! ...Traffic has to come to a stop. You only have to look at the A1237 to realise what happens there!
The best and only solution would be to lengthen the already existing slip road, towards York and take out the existing roundabout altogether and put an OVERPASS bridge towards Malton, and an underpass for the traffic coming from Malton to turn towards York. That way the traffic keeps moving. Also maybe lengthen the existing dual carriageway just to be sure the slowing traffic doesn't block the slip road as it filters down to one lane.
The Hopgrove roundabout has only recently been enlarged and now we are talking about altering/removing it. I hope whoever is responsible for spending our money gets it right this time. It seems we think it is OK to spend millions trying it and if it doesn't work we will do something different!
[quote][p][bold]Barrance[/bold] wrote: The main problem with the Hopgrove roundabout is the fact that it IS a roundabout! ...Traffic has to come to a stop. You only have to look at the A1237 to realise what happens there! The best and only solution would be to lengthen the already existing slip road, towards York and take out the existing roundabout altogether and put an OVERPASS bridge towards Malton, and an underpass for the traffic coming from Malton to turn towards York. That way the traffic keeps moving. Also maybe lengthen the existing dual carriageway just to be sure the slowing traffic doesn't block the slip road as it filters down to one lane.[/p][/quote]The Hopgrove roundabout has only recently been enlarged and now we are talking about altering/removing it. I hope whoever is responsible for spending our money gets it right this time. It seems we think it is OK to spend millions trying it and if it doesn't work we will do something different! groovygran
  • Score: 5

9:21am Sat 11 Jan 14

Dick Turpin says...

And in the meantime the trains are running half full
And in the meantime the trains are running half full Dick Turpin
  • Score: 4

10:05am Sat 11 Jan 14

CaroleBaines says...

Not interested until someone in government says it is okay to link the words A1237 and dual-carriageway. If there is one single thing holding this city back, it is that excuse for an outer ring-road.
Not interested until someone in government says it is okay to link the words A1237 and dual-carriageway. If there is one single thing holding this city back, it is that excuse for an outer ring-road. CaroleBaines
  • Score: 9

10:13am Sat 11 Jan 14

voiceofnormalpeople says...

the road needs to be duelled from askhem brian turn off to the hopgrove roundabout past Tesco and Clifton moor. that is the part of the bypass that's constant gridlock. I don't care about malton as I live in York.
the road needs to be duelled from askhem brian turn off to the hopgrove roundabout past Tesco and Clifton moor. that is the part of the bypass that's constant gridlock. I don't care about malton as I live in York. voiceofnormalpeople
  • Score: -6

12:29pm Sat 11 Jan 14

growthorgreed says...

hardlybelievable wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Igiveinthen wrote: ..............If it succeeds, it would be used to pay for improvements to the A64, such as widening or dualling some stretches of the road, and cut congestion. Hopgrove roundabout and other junctions on the east of York could also be in line for upgrades and better safety measures............ ....... Peddallingpaul will be apoplectic when he reads this, he will be banging on about "induced traffic" or whatever his plagerised comments are, saying the money could be better spent on some cycling project or similar. Hope the funding is granted and that they improve the notorious bottle neck at the Hopgrove junction, as it is the A64 is a no go area for me during summer weekends and bank holiday weekends.
Apoplectic....grrrr! Just hope that the Highways Agency acknowledges the effects of severance by widened roads, upon local sustainable travel choices. The A1237 sliced through several minor roads leading to local villages, and robbed a generation of the opportunity to cross the road safely on foot or by bike. Thankfully some of those issues were redressed by after the road's detrunking and handover to CoYC. The A1 widening similarly caused several minor road crossings to be severed or for turning restrictions to be introduced. But it is undeniably true that "improved" roads generate more car journeys. Bigger jams tomorrow instead of jam tomorrow...........
Don't worry the bit of duelling that York are in charge of will be OK, the second lane will be a cycle lane.
Didn't know York still had duelling. Pistols or swords?
[quote][p][bold]hardlybelievable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: ..............If it succeeds, it would be used to pay for improvements to the A64, such as widening or dualling some stretches of the road, and cut congestion. Hopgrove roundabout and other junctions on the east of York could also be in line for upgrades and better safety measures............ ....... Peddallingpaul will be apoplectic when he reads this, he will be banging on about "induced traffic" or whatever his plagerised comments are, saying the money could be better spent on some cycling project or similar. Hope the funding is granted and that they improve the notorious bottle neck at the Hopgrove junction, as it is the A64 is a no go area for me during summer weekends and bank holiday weekends.[/p][/quote]Apoplectic....grrrr! Just hope that the Highways Agency acknowledges the effects of severance by widened roads, upon local sustainable travel choices. The A1237 sliced through several minor roads leading to local villages, and robbed a generation of the opportunity to cross the road safely on foot or by bike. Thankfully some of those issues were redressed by after the road's detrunking and handover to CoYC. The A1 widening similarly caused several minor road crossings to be severed or for turning restrictions to be introduced. But it is undeniably true that "improved" roads generate more car journeys. Bigger jams tomorrow instead of jam tomorrow...........[/p][/quote]Don't worry the bit of duelling that York are in charge of will be OK, the second lane will be a cycle lane.[/p][/quote]Didn't know York still had duelling. Pistols or swords? growthorgreed
  • Score: 7

7:48pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Stevie D says...

@Barrance – there is no point in putting in a flyover unless the A64 is dualled to Malton. While you get a little bit of a delay from the roundabouts, it isn't huge – the only time you get any severe jams there is when the A64 towards Malton is stacked back. Dualling that bit of road has to be the first priority, along with putting in flyovers/underpasses at Hazelbush (Strensall and SOTF) and Barton Hill (Castle Howard) crossroads at the very least, and ideally a couple of others as well.

Once that's flowing freely, it will then be worth upgrading Hopgrove with a flyover.

Traffic levels between Malton and Scarborough are about half what they are between Malton and York, so any improvements there are going to be a much lower priority.
@Barrance – there is no point in putting in a flyover unless the A64 is dualled to Malton. While you get a little bit of a delay from the roundabouts, it isn't huge – the only time you get any severe jams there is when the A64 towards Malton is stacked back. Dualling that bit of road has to be the first priority, along with putting in flyovers/underpasses at Hazelbush (Strensall and SOTF) and Barton Hill (Castle Howard) crossroads at the very least, and ideally a couple of others as well. Once that's flowing freely, it will then be worth upgrading Hopgrove with a flyover. Traffic levels between Malton and Scarborough are about half what they are between Malton and York, so any improvements there are going to be a much lower priority. Stevie D
  • Score: 1

9:14pm Sat 11 Jan 14

spottycow says...

YOU COULD DUAL THE A64 ALL THE WAY TO SCARBOROUGH WITHOUT ALOT OF BOTHER IF YOU USED THE RIGHT PEOPLE BUT ALL WE GET ARE IDIOTS WHO CANT ENGINEER PROPERLY .
YOU COULD DUAL THE A64 ALL THE WAY TO SCARBOROUGH WITHOUT ALOT OF BOTHER IF YOU USED THE RIGHT PEOPLE BUT ALL WE GET ARE IDIOTS WHO CANT ENGINEER PROPERLY . spottycow
  • Score: -35

4:23pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Maltonian says...

Stevie D wrote:
@Barrance – there is no point in putting in a flyover unless the A64 is dualled to Malton. While you get a little bit of a delay from the roundabouts, it isn't huge – the only time you get any severe jams there is when the A64 towards Malton is stacked back. Dualling that bit of road has to be the first priority, along with putting in flyovers/underpasses at Hazelbush (Strensall and SOTF) and Barton Hill (Castle Howard) crossroads at the very least, and ideally a couple of others as well.

Once that's flowing freely, it will then be worth upgrading Hopgrove with a flyover.

Traffic levels between Malton and Scarborough are about half what they are between Malton and York, so any improvements there are going to be a much lower priority.
Agree with you Stevie D on all counts.
Whilst Hopgrove needs to be re-engineered properly into a grade separated junction, and the £10 million that was spent on improvements could have been better spent, it's the narrowing from dual carriageway to single carriageway that causes the tailback. The same happens westbound at the end of Malton bypass and at the end of the dual carriageway near the Jinnah. Traffic rarely queues far at the Hopgrove lights coming from Malton as it can get away at the other side. Though the villages east of Malton (Rillington, Sherburn,etc) would benefit from bypasses, the A64 is relatively quiet on this section compared with the York-Malton stretch.
[quote][p][bold]Stevie D[/bold] wrote: @Barrance – there is no point in putting in a flyover unless the A64 is dualled to Malton. While you get a little bit of a delay from the roundabouts, it isn't huge – the only time you get any severe jams there is when the A64 towards Malton is stacked back. Dualling that bit of road has to be the first priority, along with putting in flyovers/underpasses at Hazelbush (Strensall and SOTF) and Barton Hill (Castle Howard) crossroads at the very least, and ideally a couple of others as well. Once that's flowing freely, it will then be worth upgrading Hopgrove with a flyover. Traffic levels between Malton and Scarborough are about half what they are between Malton and York, so any improvements there are going to be a much lower priority.[/p][/quote]Agree with you Stevie D on all counts. Whilst Hopgrove needs to be re-engineered properly into a grade separated junction, and the £10 million that was spent on improvements could have been better spent, it's the narrowing from dual carriageway to single carriageway that causes the tailback. The same happens westbound at the end of Malton bypass and at the end of the dual carriageway near the Jinnah. Traffic rarely queues far at the Hopgrove lights coming from Malton as it can get away at the other side. Though the villages east of Malton (Rillington, Sherburn,etc) would benefit from bypasses, the A64 is relatively quiet on this section compared with the York-Malton stretch. Maltonian
  • Score: 4

7:13pm Sun 12 Jan 14

ouseswimmer says...

£13m was spent on Hopgrove roundabout a few years ago and made no improvement what so ever. Millions more have been spent on signs and widening at danger points and still the road has not improved accident rates. The only option is to dual it to Malton cutting down accidents and saving lives.
£13m was spent on Hopgrove roundabout a few years ago and made no improvement what so ever. Millions more have been spent on signs and widening at danger points and still the road has not improved accident rates. The only option is to dual it to Malton cutting down accidents and saving lives. ouseswimmer
  • Score: 2

11:23am Mon 13 Jan 14

Roger S says...

The Hopgrove roundabout was purely for the benefit of people coming out of york so did not improve, maybe worsened the A64.

It's Scarborough and the Moors that need the better road most badly. But the few people in York who are very selfish (not most) can enjoy the fact there will be more wealth in Scarborough and Ryedale which will lift a benefits burden and mean more money spent in York too. And they can get to the coast quicker.

And yes - no mention was ever made of bypassing Scarborough.
The Hopgrove roundabout was purely for the benefit of people coming out of york so did not improve, maybe worsened the A64. It's Scarborough and the Moors that need the better road most badly. But the few people in York who are very selfish (not most) can enjoy the fact there will be more wealth in Scarborough and Ryedale which will lift a benefits burden and mean more money spent in York too. And they can get to the coast quicker. And yes - no mention was ever made of bypassing Scarborough. Roger S
  • Score: 0

12:49pm Mon 13 Jan 14

m dee says...

pedalling paul wrote:
But it is undeniably true that "improved" roads generate more car journeys. Bigger jams tomorrow instead of jam tomorrow...........
Caecilius says...
the widened/dualled road will simply fill up again with cars in due course, leading to renewed cries for further tens of millions of pounds of taxpayers' money to be splurged on pacifying motorists.

Look at the photo the opposite side of the carriageway has one car and miles of free road space that blows your theory out of the window, the heavy traffic is half of West Yorkshire going for a day at the Seaside .
pedalling paul wrote: But it is undeniably true that "improved" roads generate more car journeys. Bigger jams tomorrow instead of jam tomorrow........... Caecilius says... the widened/dualled road will simply fill up again with cars in due course, leading to renewed cries for further tens of millions of pounds of taxpayers' money to be splurged on pacifying motorists. Look at the photo the opposite side of the carriageway has one car and miles of free road space that blows your theory out of the window, the heavy traffic is half of West Yorkshire going for a day at the Seaside . m dee
  • Score: 5

6:24pm Tue 14 Jan 14

CaroleBaines says...

m dee wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
But it is undeniably true that "improved" roads generate more car journeys. Bigger jams tomorrow instead of jam tomorrow...........
Caecilius says...
the widened/dualled road will simply fill up again with cars in due course, leading to renewed cries for further tens of millions of pounds of taxpayers' money to be splurged on pacifying motorists.

Look at the photo the opposite side of the carriageway has one car and miles of free road space that blows your theory out of the window, the heavy traffic is half of West Yorkshire going for a day at the Seaside .
Some roads need to be improved. If you used Paul's argument, then no roads should be - we should still be using cart tracks because improvement generates more jams. I see his point but disagree with the generalised usage of the premise.
[quote][p][bold]m dee[/bold] wrote: pedalling paul wrote: But it is undeniably true that "improved" roads generate more car journeys. Bigger jams tomorrow instead of jam tomorrow........... Caecilius says... the widened/dualled road will simply fill up again with cars in due course, leading to renewed cries for further tens of millions of pounds of taxpayers' money to be splurged on pacifying motorists. Look at the photo the opposite side of the carriageway has one car and miles of free road space that blows your theory out of the window, the heavy traffic is half of West Yorkshire going for a day at the Seaside .[/p][/quote]Some roads need to be improved. If you used Paul's argument, then no roads should be - we should still be using cart tracks because improvement generates more jams. I see his point but disagree with the generalised usage of the premise. CaroleBaines
  • Score: 3

11:33pm Wed 15 Jan 14

strangebuttrue? says...

They could use it to dig up those traffic lights at the Hopgrove roundabout which are always at red no matter which way you approach from and you sit at for ages whilst nothing goes by. Much like the rest of the traffic lights under the control of York council.
They could use it to dig up those traffic lights at the Hopgrove roundabout which are always at red no matter which way you approach from and you sit at for ages whilst nothing goes by. Much like the rest of the traffic lights under the control of York council. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -1

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