York late-night shopping back on the agenda

York Press: York late night shopping back on the agenda York late night shopping back on the agenda

REGULAR late-night shopping in York will work only if retailers act in unison and city leaders provide support, businesses have said.

A council-led task group is working with retailers and bus companies and has consulted the public, in a bid to make York more vibrant in the evenings.

More late-night buses, including Park&Ride services, could be provided to help make the move a success, and car parks could be opened later, a new report says.

The group will meet again next Wednesday to discuss the idea, and businesses have supported the work but called for support. [Read the council report here]

Susie Cawood, head of the York Chamber of Commerce, said: “The Chamber is very supportive of initiatives to bolster the early evening economy. As a modern, dynamic European city we think that the city centre should be open to residents and visitors in the early evening and would welcome proposals for this to happen.”

Ian Taylor, owner of the Daisy Taylor gift-shop in King’s Square, said it would work only if there were late buses, cheap or free parking and promotion by the city council, to encourage people into the city.

He said: “If there were people about then it is something we would look at it it woudl definitely be good for York. We would be happy to give it a go if the council did their side. But if all costs are being carried by businesses, then we would not do it.”

Retailers have told the council they noticed little benefit in late-night shopping before Christmas, but council officials believe that could change if enough retailers opened at the same times, to increase the appeal for shoppers.

Jason Walker, manager of Van Mildert in Blake Street, said: “We did it before Christmas for three weeks but there was very little footfall after 5pm. I can see it might work if more stores were opening as a collective mass, but not individually.”

As reported previously, the Coppergate Centre has been identified as a possible trial area, and the idea has already been discussed with Fenwicks and Top Shop. Next December or around the time of the Tour de France have been mooted as possible opportunities to try more concerted late-night shopping.

The task group says there is a lull between 5pm and 7pm, between people finishing work and returning to the centre.

Focus groups set up by City of York Council said the city centre in the evening did not offer enough alternatives for people who did not want to go to bars or restaurants.

They suggested more cafes and coffee shops should open later, and 80 per cent of people who responded to a survey said they would be more likely to visit the city-centre at night if shops were open later.

The council tried in 2007 to draw up an action plan to boost the evening economy, but the board looking into it then was disbanded before detailed plans could be drawn up.

Businesses today gave a cautious welcome to the plans but said they would need support to make them work.

The council report says as well as running later buses, bus firms could advertise late night shopping on their services.

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4:53pm Wed 8 Jan 14

lifes2 says...

I agree with the need for parking if this is to work. Town is dying as its far easier to 'nip' to Monks Cross or Clifton Moor, than go into town.
I agree with the need for parking if this is to work. Town is dying as its far easier to 'nip' to Monks Cross or Clifton Moor, than go into town. lifes2

5:23pm Wed 8 Jan 14

courier46 says...

What about the people who are going to have to work these late nights,it`s ok if there happy but I get a feeling they may be forced to do it,thus eroding family life even more.
What about the people who are going to have to work these late nights,it`s ok if there happy but I get a feeling they may be forced to do it,thus eroding family life even more. courier46

6:47pm Wed 8 Jan 14

brummiebob says...

Late night shopping was introduced before Sunday opening and the Internet. It will only work during the summer when it is light, no one wants to be in the city centre when it is dark and drunken yobs are in control.
Late night shopping June July & August will work if there are events on, open air cinemas, music, the cafe culture of Europe, forget the rest of the year, it won't work. Who wants it? Where is the need? Shop on the Internet at home, in the warm, safe and secure.
Late night shopping was introduced before Sunday opening and the Internet. It will only work during the summer when it is light, no one wants to be in the city centre when it is dark and drunken yobs are in control. Late night shopping June July & August will work if there are events on, open air cinemas, music, the cafe culture of Europe, forget the rest of the year, it won't work. Who wants it? Where is the need? Shop on the Internet at home, in the warm, safe and secure. brummiebob

8:55am Thu 9 Jan 14

meme says...

the obvious answer is to make sure the tourist streets of Low Petergate and Stonegate and the surrounding area are opened up BUT they need to have fun in them as well ie interesting lighting/street traders etc just like the idea of the xmas fair etc then people will come especially on nice warm nights
the obvious answer is to make sure the tourist streets of Low Petergate and Stonegate and the surrounding area are opened up BUT they need to have fun in them as well ie interesting lighting/street traders etc just like the idea of the xmas fair etc then people will come especially on nice warm nights meme

10:21am Thu 9 Jan 14

Funnyian says...

Late night shopping in the town centre will only attract hordes of teenagers looking for something to do, look at all the trouble New Years Eve which seems to have been kept quiet. And as for the ‘boost’ when the Tour De France hits town that is a one off no one who will be coming to watch that event will think whilst they are in York best going late night shopping!
Late night shopping in the town centre will only attract hordes of teenagers looking for something to do, look at all the trouble New Years Eve which seems to have been kept quiet. And as for the ‘boost’ when the Tour De France hits town that is a one off no one who will be coming to watch that event will think whilst they are in York best going late night shopping! Funnyian

10:22am Thu 9 Jan 14

tobefair says...

The Council will have to do a complete U turn on its anti car policy to make this work. Not enough people will use park and ride and bikes to make evening shopping viable. There again you could say the same about shopping in York during the day.
The Council will have to do a complete U turn on its anti car policy to make this work. Not enough people will use park and ride and bikes to make evening shopping viable. There again you could say the same about shopping in York during the day. tobefair

10:32am Thu 9 Jan 14

YorkPatrol says...

brummiebob wrote:
Late night shopping was introduced before Sunday opening and the Internet. It will only work during the summer when it is light, no one wants to be in the city centre when it is dark and drunken yobs are in control. Late night shopping June July & August will work if there are events on, open air cinemas, music, the cafe culture of Europe, forget the rest of the year, it won't work. Who wants it? Where is the need? Shop on the Internet at home, in the warm, safe and secure.
Do the drunken yobs only come out in the dark like bats prehaps and what exactly are they in control of, lets say at half six on a Tuesday night?

You seem to be a little parnoid about steping outside of your house other than 3 months of the year
[quote][p][bold]brummiebob[/bold] wrote: Late night shopping was introduced before Sunday opening and the Internet. It will only work during the summer when it is light, no one wants to be in the city centre when it is dark and drunken yobs are in control. Late night shopping June July & August will work if there are events on, open air cinemas, music, the cafe culture of Europe, forget the rest of the year, it won't work. Who wants it? Where is the need? Shop on the Internet at home, in the warm, safe and secure.[/p][/quote]Do the drunken yobs only come out in the dark like bats prehaps and what exactly are they in control of, lets say at half six on a Tuesday night? You seem to be a little parnoid about steping outside of your house other than 3 months of the year YorkPatrol

11:21am Thu 9 Jan 14

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

Hmm. Late-night shopping will only increase traffic levels, so it might be a good idea to keep Lendal Bridge closed until 9.00 pm.
Hmm. Late-night shopping will only increase traffic levels, so it might be a good idea to keep Lendal Bridge closed until 9.00 pm. Ignatius Lumpopo

11:24am Thu 9 Jan 14

pbrowne2009@live.co.uk says...

This will only work if locals actually get up and go into town. I'm personally in favour of this happening but I need an incentive to go into town and not to Monks cross or Clifton moor which is open till 8 anyway. Things like Free Parking from 6pm onwards. YCC need to make it worth while and convince people that the city centre at night time is better than monks cross or Clifton moor and not forgetting designer outlet. If it does take off, it will be good for business, it will turn part time jobs into full time jobs or it will create jobs. It will put York in line with other cities across the UK. Go anywhere like Leeds, Manchester, Birmingham and London, night life if thriving and shops stay open till 9-10pm.
This will only work if locals actually get up and go into town. I'm personally in favour of this happening but I need an incentive to go into town and not to Monks cross or Clifton moor which is open till 8 anyway. Things like Free Parking from 6pm onwards. YCC need to make it worth while and convince people that the city centre at night time is better than monks cross or Clifton moor and not forgetting designer outlet. If it does take off, it will be good for business, it will turn part time jobs into full time jobs or it will create jobs. It will put York in line with other cities across the UK. Go anywhere like Leeds, Manchester, Birmingham and London, night life if thriving and shops stay open till 9-10pm. pbrowne2009@live.co.uk

11:46am Thu 9 Jan 14

greenmonkey says...

Seems to be essential if city centre is to compete with new John Lewis and out of town convenience. During the week most could delay their opening hours until 11am, allowing the deliveries to take place and only skeleton staff levels to handle this until opening time. Park and ride buses should run until 10pm to encourage people planning to stay late after work not to bring car into the centre when the dont otherwise need to. Make them free after 6pm for the first week and see how many people will flock to use them, especially if introduced in the run up to Christmas
Seems to be essential if city centre is to compete with new John Lewis and out of town convenience. During the week most could delay their opening hours until 11am, allowing the deliveries to take place and only skeleton staff levels to handle this until opening time. Park and ride buses should run until 10pm to encourage people planning to stay late after work not to bring car into the centre when the dont otherwise need to. Make them free after 6pm for the first week and see how many people will flock to use them, especially if introduced in the run up to Christmas greenmonkey

12:55pm Thu 9 Jan 14

yorkie71 says...

Cant see how it benefits the Traders though? as surely it will only spread shoppers purchases over a longer period of time of the day not make an actual increase in their purchases ? its not christmas shopping every month

Traders will have to pay more staff wages and their heating/lighting bills will increase too
Cant see how it benefits the Traders though? as surely it will only spread shoppers purchases over a longer period of time of the day not make an actual increase in their purchases ? its not christmas shopping every month Traders will have to pay more staff wages and their heating/lighting bills will increase too yorkie71

3:48pm Thu 9 Jan 14

tobefair says...

Both Union Terrace and Marygate car parks were only half full yesterday lunchtime. Have the New Year sales finished in York or will the poor shopkeepers have to stay open 24 hours to make a living?
Both Union Terrace and Marygate car parks were only half full yesterday lunchtime. Have the New Year sales finished in York or will the poor shopkeepers have to stay open 24 hours to make a living? tobefair

8:13pm Thu 9 Jan 14

yorkiemum says...

tobefair wrote:
Both Union Terrace and Marygate car parks were only half full yesterday lunchtime. Have the New Year sales finished in York or will the poor shopkeepers have to stay open 24 hours to make a living?
Walked into town yesterday and it was dead!!! Have lived in York all my life never seen it so depressing. Wackers was practically empty at lunchtime and walking past Union Terrace car park like tobefair noticed it half empty
[quote][p][bold]tobefair[/bold] wrote: Both Union Terrace and Marygate car parks were only half full yesterday lunchtime. Have the New Year sales finished in York or will the poor shopkeepers have to stay open 24 hours to make a living?[/p][/quote]Walked into town yesterday and it was dead!!! Have lived in York all my life never seen it so depressing. Wackers was practically empty at lunchtime and walking past Union Terrace car park like tobefair noticed it half empty yorkiemum

1:25am Fri 10 Jan 14

Magicman! says...

I've been in Manchester during the winter months at 7pm and it is still quite busy... it helps that the Arndale shopping centre (a loop of wide passageways which have glass roofs over them so people don't get cold or wet when shopping, right in the city centre.... thought I'd describe it, seeing as York doesn't seem to understand the concept) is open until 8pm , and other large shops such as Debenhams, M&S, Selfridges, Harvey Nicks, and Primark also stay open until 8pm. But then Manchester also has a better and more reliable transport network: a body overseeing the whole lot to make sure every company does their bit (and have succeeed in pulling First Manchester into line to reducing their bus fares), in addition to having what may be the largest tram network in western europe.

this christmas, the trafford centre and its shops was open until 11pm - I wonder how their trade was?
I've been in Manchester during the winter months at 7pm and it is still quite busy... it helps that the Arndale shopping centre (a loop of wide passageways which have glass roofs over them so people don't get cold or wet when shopping, right in the city centre.... thought I'd describe it, seeing as York doesn't seem to understand the concept) is open until 8pm , and other large shops such as Debenhams, M&S, Selfridges, Harvey Nicks, and Primark also stay open until 8pm. But then Manchester also has a better and more reliable transport network: a body overseeing the whole lot to make sure every company does their bit (and have succeeed in pulling First Manchester into line to reducing their bus fares), in addition to having what may be the largest tram network in western europe. this christmas, the trafford centre and its shops was open until 11pm - I wonder how their trade was? Magicman!

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