York's new £19 million community stadium could have terracing after all

York Press: York's new £19 million community stadium could have terracing after all York's new £19 million community stadium could have terracing after all

TERRACING could be built after all at York’s new community stadium, it emerged this afternoon.

City of York Council says changes to the design criteria for the £19 million stadium at Monks Cross are being proposed to encourage bidders to come forward with an attractive design that also maximises capacity.

“This follows discussions with the bidders’ design teams, alongside feedback from the sports clubs and residents,” said a spokeswoman.

“Key to proposals is the option of considering terracing in the design, particularly if FSIF (Football Stadia Improvement Fund) funding is not secured before the final submission stage.”

York City spokeswoman Sophie Hicks said that money towards the scheme from the FSIF had always been dependent on an all-seater stadium being built, but supporters had made it clear they very much wanted an element of terracing, similar to that provided at the club’s current home, Bootham Crescent.

She said that because of a number of issues, including the length of time the scheme was taking, she understood it was now possible FSIF funding might not be provided, although negotiations were continuing.

If it was no longer available, it would open up the possibility of terracing being brought into the design.

She understood the lower construction costs of terracing would mitigate against the loss of the funding.

Frank Ormston, chairman of the supporters group York Minstermen, said: “On the face of it, this is excellent news. I think the huge majority of fans would like to see some terracing as well as seating. It provides a better atmosphere as well as the opportunity to circulate and see friends.”

The council said an updated business case would be brought to Cabinet members at a meeting on January 7, when they would be asked to agree the framework against which final bids for the design, build, operation and maintenance of the facility would be made.

The spokeswoman said the total cost to the council remains unchanged (at £4 million) from the business case and budget for the project, approved at full council on March 30, 2012. She added that bidders would submit final detailed proposals to the authority in March.

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5:33pm Fri 27 Dec 13

BorderReiver says...

I am 54 - I had hoped to see City at the new stadium before I die. This is looking increasingly unlikely !
I am 54 - I had hoped to see City at the new stadium before I die. This is looking increasingly unlikely ! BorderReiver

5:53pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Daley Mayall says...

Another morsel of news to keep those that are still remotely interested awake for a bit longer...
Another morsel of news to keep those that are still remotely interested awake for a bit longer... Daley Mayall

7:00pm Fri 27 Dec 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

Cost to the Council tax payer = £4 Million. Why?
Cost to the Council tax payer = £4 Million. Why? ColdAsChristmas

7:36pm Fri 27 Dec 13

conorm11 says...

Surely the point of a new stadium is to show ambition? Building terracing just brings in the possibility of another renovation further down the line if York City get promoted a few times (unlikely though that is). Seems a waste of money doing that, build a proper stadium.
Surely the point of a new stadium is to show ambition? Building terracing just brings in the possibility of another renovation further down the line if York City get promoted a few times (unlikely though that is). Seems a waste of money doing that, build a proper stadium. conorm11

7:43pm Fri 27 Dec 13

CaroleBaines says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
Cost to the Council tax payer = £4 Million. Why?
Ask many a Council up and down the country - most have helped provide community stadia. It is quite the norm nowadays.

Do not forget the professional clubs in York will be charged RENT to use the stadium, this is not a freebee.

If you want to get in a rage about public money going to private companies, and I suspect you do - it is the usual cliché trotted out by the hard of intelligence, then perhaps worry more about the millions doled out to ATOS, G4S and the fact we gave away our postal service/railways and heaven knows what else for bug all!

Meanwhile for the non-cliché trotters out who care about facts, I guess the terracing is good news, but oh to the delays and hence the loss in funding from the FSIF - that is the real news here. Council delays - what a surprise.
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: Cost to the Council tax payer = £4 Million. Why?[/p][/quote]Ask many a Council up and down the country - most have helped provide community stadia. It is quite the norm nowadays. Do not forget the professional clubs in York will be charged RENT to use the stadium, this is not a freebee. If you want to get in a rage about public money going to private companies, and I suspect you do - it is the usual cliché trotted out by the hard of intelligence, then perhaps worry more about the millions doled out to ATOS, G4S and the fact we gave away our postal service/railways and heaven knows what else for bug all! Meanwhile for the non-cliché trotters out who care about facts, I guess the terracing is good news, but oh to the delays and hence the loss in funding from the FSIF - that is the real news here. Council delays - what a surprise. CaroleBaines

7:52pm Fri 27 Dec 13

piemagico says...

Bring on the terracing. German style rail seats should be more widely used across English football and York would be a great place to start.
Bring on the terracing. German style rail seats should be more widely used across English football and York would be a great place to start. piemagico

7:54pm Fri 27 Dec 13

SethArmstrong says...

conorm11 wrote:
Surely the point of a new stadium is to show ambition? Building terracing just brings in the possibility of another renovation further down the line if York City get promoted a few times (unlikely though that is). Seems a waste of money doing that, build a proper stadium.
Football in this country is undoubtedly moving slowly but surely towards safe standing sections, they'll be in Premiership grounds within a decade I reckon.
There's absolutely no reason to have an all-seater as far as the majority of fans are concerned and countless arguments against.
[quote][p][bold]conorm11[/bold] wrote: Surely the point of a new stadium is to show ambition? Building terracing just brings in the possibility of another renovation further down the line if York City get promoted a few times (unlikely though that is). Seems a waste of money doing that, build a proper stadium.[/p][/quote]Football in this country is undoubtedly moving slowly but surely towards safe standing sections, they'll be in Premiership grounds within a decade I reckon. There's absolutely no reason to have an all-seater as far as the majority of fans are concerned and countless arguments against. SethArmstrong

8:05pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Fat Harry says...

A little bit of progress. Looks like it's been done to appease the companies they hope will bid to design build and run it.

Perhaps if they'd just asked for buds to design and build, we'd already be a lot closer to getting it built
A little bit of progress. Looks like it's been done to appease the companies they hope will bid to design build and run it. Perhaps if they'd just asked for buds to design and build, we'd already be a lot closer to getting it built Fat Harry

8:51pm Fri 27 Dec 13

CaroleBaines says...

This needs to be sorted out now. Shops have been built, West Offices scooted through planning etc. Now can we just stop messing about with the stadium and just do it. Whole thing has something of a 'saga' feel - and is there really any need?

Show some will to sort this, CoYC and deliver something for York.
This needs to be sorted out now. Shops have been built, West Offices scooted through planning etc. Now can we just stop messing about with the stadium and just do it. Whole thing has something of a 'saga' feel - and is there really any need? Show some will to sort this, CoYC and deliver something for York. CaroleBaines

11:24pm Fri 27 Dec 13

wallman says...

super league rugby 12000 min ambition? nil
super league rugby 12000 min ambition? nil wallman

12:27am Sat 28 Dec 13

Rocking Horse says...

City of York Council says changes to the design criteria for the £19 million stadium at Monks Cross are being proposed to encourage bidders to come forward with an attractive design that also maximises capacity.

Put another way - to pay for cost over-runs and mismanagement of the procurement process, they now can't afford the seats !

What a farce !
[quote] City of York Council says changes to the design criteria for the £19 million stadium at Monks Cross are being proposed to encourage bidders to come forward with an attractive design that also maximises capacity. [/quote] Put another way - to pay for cost over-runs and mismanagement of the procurement process, they now can't afford the seats ! What a farce ! Rocking Horse

12:37am Sat 28 Dec 13

Rocking Horse says...

Why don't they just tell the truth - they have lost the FSIF funding, so can't afford the seats !

The next revelation will be that the sale of BC will be scuppere, because the site's value has been reduced owing to the council's unworkable affordable housing requirements.
Why don't they just tell the truth - they have lost the FSIF funding, so can't afford the seats ! The next revelation will be that the sale of BC will be scuppere, because the site's value has been reduced owing to the council's unworkable affordable housing requirements. Rocking Horse

1:18am Sat 28 Dec 13

marvell says...

Another scheme James Alexander used for self aggrandisment that he had failed dismally to deliver. Quelle surprise!!
Another scheme James Alexander used for self aggrandisment that he had failed dismally to deliver. Quelle surprise!! marvell

7:41am Sat 28 Dec 13

Exlabourmember says...

This is major news packaged as something else. YCFC we're given £2m to build this new stadium. It seems like their failure to deliver has led to this loan finally being called in.

This has got to leave a huge hole in the whole budget and you have to wonder how the club might go about paying this money back?

Dark days and entirely down to Calamity James and Red Sonja
This is major news packaged as something else. YCFC we're given £2m to build this new stadium. It seems like their failure to deliver has led to this loan finally being called in. This has got to leave a huge hole in the whole budget and you have to wonder how the club might go about paying this money back? Dark days and entirely down to Calamity James and Red Sonja Exlabourmember

8:30am Sat 28 Dec 13

Fat Harry says...

If delays have led to the loss if the FSIF, on one level it's a blow.

However IF there's still enough cash in the pot to build the stadium then the all-sweater condition is no longer there, so we get a stadium with standing room, which most fans want. We also get a stadium with larger than the original proposed 6000 capacity.

Another big IF... If City get promoted to a division where all-seats are required, grants may still be available to install said seats - hopefully rail seats. Hopefully the same applies if the Knights get anywhere near being able to apply for the Superleague franchise.

Over optimistic I know, but no less ridiculous than some of the over pessimistic contributions above from opponents of the stadium.
If delays have led to the loss if the FSIF, on one level it's a blow. However IF there's still enough cash in the pot to build the stadium then the all-sweater condition is no longer there, so we get a stadium with standing room, which most fans want. We also get a stadium with larger than the original proposed 6000 capacity. Another big IF... If City get promoted to a division where all-seats are required, grants may still be available to install said seats - hopefully rail seats. Hopefully the same applies if the Knights get anywhere near being able to apply for the Superleague franchise. Over optimistic I know, but no less ridiculous than some of the over pessimistic contributions above from opponents of the stadium. Fat Harry

8:31am Sat 28 Dec 13

Fat Harry says...

All-sweater? Still got my Christmas crimes against fashion on my mind...
All-sweater? Still got my Christmas crimes against fashion on my mind... Fat Harry

9:53am Sat 28 Dec 13

duffy says...

I await the next delay with the council coming up with yet another excuse.
I await the next delay with the council coming up with yet another excuse. duffy

10:13am Sat 28 Dec 13

Exlabourmember says...

Fat Harry wrote:
If delays have led to the loss if the FSIF, on one level it's a blow.

However IF there's still enough cash in the pot to build the stadium then the all-sweater condition is no longer there, so we get a stadium with standing room, which most fans want. We also get a stadium with larger than the original proposed 6000 capacity.

Another big IF... If City get promoted to a division where all-seats are required, grants may still be available to install said seats - hopefully rail seats. Hopefully the same applies if the Knights get anywhere near being able to apply for the Superleague franchise.

Over optimistic I know, but no less ridiculous than some of the over pessimistic contributions above from opponents of the stadium.
Having the money is irrelevant. Calamity James said a w hike ago that's in the banks from the shopping development. I think the issue here is that the £2m went to the club and they'll have to pay it back. Doubt they can afford it which would mean the council building a £10m stadium wih no football club to fill it?
[quote][p][bold]Fat Harry[/bold] wrote: If delays have led to the loss if the FSIF, on one level it's a blow. However IF there's still enough cash in the pot to build the stadium then the all-sweater condition is no longer there, so we get a stadium with standing room, which most fans want. We also get a stadium with larger than the original proposed 6000 capacity. Another big IF... If City get promoted to a division where all-seats are required, grants may still be available to install said seats - hopefully rail seats. Hopefully the same applies if the Knights get anywhere near being able to apply for the Superleague franchise. Over optimistic I know, but no less ridiculous than some of the over pessimistic contributions above from opponents of the stadium.[/p][/quote]Having the money is irrelevant. Calamity James said a w hike ago that's in the banks from the shopping development. I think the issue here is that the £2m went to the club and they'll have to pay it back. Doubt they can afford it which would mean the council building a £10m stadium wih no football club to fill it? Exlabourmember

10:19am Sat 28 Dec 13

duffy says...

Exlabourmember wrote:
Fat Harry wrote:
If delays have led to the loss if the FSIF, on one level it's a blow.

However IF there's still enough cash in the pot to build the stadium then the all-sweater condition is no longer there, so we get a stadium with standing room, which most fans want. We also get a stadium with larger than the original proposed 6000 capacity.

Another big IF... If City get promoted to a division where all-seats are required, grants may still be available to install said seats - hopefully rail seats. Hopefully the same applies if the Knights get anywhere near being able to apply for the Superleague franchise.

Over optimistic I know, but no less ridiculous than some of the over pessimistic contributions above from opponents of the stadium.
Having the money is irrelevant. Calamity James said a w hike ago that's in the banks from the shopping development. I think the issue here is that the £2m went to the club and they'll have to pay it back. Doubt they can afford it which would mean the council building a £10m stadium wih no football club to fill it?
You would almost think these constant delays had an ulterior motive. No such problems with the shopping side of the development eh.
[quote][p][bold]Exlabourmember[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fat Harry[/bold] wrote: If delays have led to the loss if the FSIF, on one level it's a blow. However IF there's still enough cash in the pot to build the stadium then the all-sweater condition is no longer there, so we get a stadium with standing room, which most fans want. We also get a stadium with larger than the original proposed 6000 capacity. Another big IF... If City get promoted to a division where all-seats are required, grants may still be available to install said seats - hopefully rail seats. Hopefully the same applies if the Knights get anywhere near being able to apply for the Superleague franchise. Over optimistic I know, but no less ridiculous than some of the over pessimistic contributions above from opponents of the stadium.[/p][/quote]Having the money is irrelevant. Calamity James said a w hike ago that's in the banks from the shopping development. I think the issue here is that the £2m went to the club and they'll have to pay it back. Doubt they can afford it which would mean the council building a £10m stadium wih no football club to fill it?[/p][/quote]You would almost think these constant delays had an ulterior motive. No such problems with the shopping side of the development eh. duffy

3:24pm Sat 28 Dec 13

long distance depressive says...

Another reason to drop kick the current Council Junta into the long grass. Cities like Cambridge can come up with plans for non-league stadiums in a fraction of the time, what's the difference between the in terms of population and supporter numbers? Terracing is slowly coming back into favour which can only be a good thing for fans and surely cheaper to build!? Time for somebody to get their collective s**t together and sort this long running farce out!
Another reason to drop kick the current Council Junta into the long grass. Cities like Cambridge can come up with plans for non-league stadiums in a fraction of the time, what's the difference between the in terms of population and supporter numbers? Terracing is slowly coming back into favour which can only be a good thing for fans and surely cheaper to build!? Time for somebody to get their collective s**t together and sort this long running farce out! long distance depressive

5:38pm Sat 28 Dec 13

rawcliffered says...

Safe standing area's have been brought in around the world in much bigger stadiums than the new proposed York city community stadium.
If it reduces costs, increases capacity and allows for seating to be introduced later if required, then I cannot see why anyone would oppose this idea.
I much rather sit at football matches than stand so I have no personal reason for wanting it.
Safe standing area's have been brought in around the world in much bigger stadiums than the new proposed York city community stadium. If it reduces costs, increases capacity and allows for seating to be introduced later if required, then I cannot see why anyone would oppose this idea. I much rather sit at football matches than stand so I have no personal reason for wanting it. rawcliffered

2:09pm Mon 30 Dec 13

redbluelion says...

This stadium will never get built ..why because its in york..the dream is over.city's days are numbered .struggling at the foot of table again,and out of all cups at first attempt . even the mcgills must have lost all hope of this happening now.
This stadium will never get built ..why because its in york..the dream is over.city's days are numbered .struggling at the foot of table again,and out of all cups at first attempt . even the mcgills must have lost all hope of this happening now. redbluelion

10:01pm Sat 4 Jan 14

bunties says...

Well I'm looking forward to it whenever it gets completed.
Well I'm looking forward to it whenever it gets completed. bunties

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