York Park & Ride fares to rise in New Year

York Press: York Park & Ride fares to rise in New Year York Park & Ride fares to rise in New Year

FARES for York’s Park & Ride buses are going up in the New Year.

A standard return journey will cost £2.70 from January 5, up by 10 pence, and an annual MinsterCard will cost £432, up by £16.

MinsterCard Returns will rise from £2.30 to £2.40, concessionary returns from 70 pence to 80 pence, Weekly MinsterCards from £10.40 to £10.80 and Monthly MinsterCards from £41.60 to £43.20.

City of York Council, announcing the increases, said they were in line with national inflation and earnings data and were needed to help meet rising operational costs.

It also said there would be no change to single fares, which had been frozen.

Coun Dave Merrett, Cabinet member for Transport, said York’s Park & Ride service was one of the first in the country and was one of the best & busiest, with four million passenger journeys last year, and still rising.

“The fare increase will help to meet the increased operational costs of running York's current high-quality Park & Ride service and enable customers to continue enjoying a high quality service,” he said.

“2014 will also see us opening a new Park & Ride off the A59 near Poppleton, and a much larger replacement Askham Bar site off the A64, which is great news for both existing and potential new users.”

First, which runs the P&R service under contract to the council, said they had ‘a lot of exciting plans for the Park & Ride services in 2014, including the new facility at Poppleton and new electric buses on Park & Ride services.’

It added: “We look forward to working in partnership with CYC to ensure customers get a first class service in terms of punctuality, quality of vehicles and overall customer experience.”

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12:00pm Mon 23 Dec 13

The OX says...

So they close Lendal Bridge to get people to use the Park & Ride, then charge them more to use it, well done YCC lol,
So they close Lendal Bridge to get people to use the Park & Ride, then charge them more to use it, well done YCC lol, The OX

12:19pm Mon 23 Dec 13

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

I'd like to know more about the exciting plans for the park & ride in 2014.
I'd like to know more about the exciting plans for the park & ride in 2014. YOUWILLDOASISAY

12:41pm Mon 23 Dec 13

naburn says...

Parking 'brings £594m surplus for English councils'
If this is the case,why are COYC putting fares up?
Parking 'brings £594m surplus for English councils' If this is the case,why are COYC putting fares up? naburn

12:44pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

Well, that means for people (like me) who live in the city centre, we'll have to forget going out to places like Clifton Moor, the Designer Outlet and Monks Cross and do all our shopping in town. I take it there are still some shops left?
Well, that means for people (like me) who live in the city centre, we'll have to forget going out to places like Clifton Moor, the Designer Outlet and Monks Cross and do all our shopping in town. I take it there are still some shops left? Ignatius Lumpopo

1:00pm Mon 23 Dec 13

MarkyMarkMark says...

"FARES for York’s Park & Ride buses are going up...."

Gosh, there's a surprise.
There was me thinking they'd probably got down next year.

Not exactly earth shattering news, is it?
"FARES for York’s Park & Ride buses are going up...." Gosh, there's a surprise. There was me thinking they'd probably got down next year. Not exactly earth shattering news, is it? MarkyMarkMark

1:00pm Mon 23 Dec 13

MarkyMarkMark says...

"FARES for York’s Park & Ride buses are going up...."

Gosh, there's a surprise.
There was me thinking they'd probably got down next year.

Not exactly earth shattering news, is it?
"FARES for York’s Park & Ride buses are going up...." Gosh, there's a surprise. There was me thinking they'd probably got down next year. Not exactly earth shattering news, is it? MarkyMarkMark

1:19pm Mon 23 Dec 13

bloodaxe says...

naburn wrote:
Parking 'brings £594m surplus for English councils'
If this is the case,why are COYC putting fares up?
How much of that money is actually York's ? That people overstay their parking times is their own fault most of the time. Is it, as the government implies, a civil right to infringe parking regulations ? If "bully" councils are denying civil rights by imposing fines then that must be the corollary. As for the relationship of this issue to P&R, if you use that then you won't face any fines.
[quote][p][bold]naburn[/bold] wrote: Parking 'brings £594m surplus for English councils' If this is the case,why are COYC putting fares up?[/p][/quote]How much of that money is actually York's ? That people overstay their parking times is their own fault most of the time. Is it, as the government implies, a civil right to infringe parking regulations ? If "bully" councils are denying civil rights by imposing fines then that must be the corollary. As for the relationship of this issue to P&R, if you use that then you won't face any fines. bloodaxe

1:20pm Mon 23 Dec 13

bloodaxe says...

Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:
Well, that means for people (like me) who live in the city centre, we'll have to forget going out to places like Clifton Moor, the Designer Outlet and Monks Cross and do all our shopping in town. I take it there are still some shops left?
Don't talk daft. It does you no credit.
[quote][p][bold]Ignatius Lumpopo[/bold] wrote: Well, that means for people (like me) who live in the city centre, we'll have to forget going out to places like Clifton Moor, the Designer Outlet and Monks Cross and do all our shopping in town. I take it there are still some shops left?[/p][/quote]Don't talk daft. It does you no credit. bloodaxe

1:33pm Mon 23 Dec 13

meme says...

They have to make a profit and the return fees are not so bad given how much it costs to drive and then park in the city
and the service from where I live is surprisingly good .
I have always hated busses BUT it takes me 10 mins to get in and I don't have to pay to park a car and they do run pretty frequently. I never wait more than 10 mins so actually I am now converted although I do still drive and cycle in when weather is nice.
what is annoying is why are the busses so big when they are never full at all?
They have to make a profit and the return fees are not so bad given how much it costs to drive and then park in the city and the service from where I live is surprisingly good [I live near ring road and close to a park and ride]. I have always hated busses BUT it takes me 10 mins to get in and I don't have to pay to park a car [or worry about Lendal bridge!] and they do run pretty frequently. I never wait more than 10 mins so actually I am now converted although I do still drive and cycle in when weather is nice. what is annoying is why are the busses so big when they are never full at all? meme

1:43pm Mon 23 Dec 13

MrsHoney says...

I personally don't find the Poppleton P&R exciting. When I was at an exhibition about what they're going to do at the old sugar beet factory site I was told that the busses wouldn't be stopping on Boroughbridge Rd, the first stop would be in Holgate - where people can actually walk into town from! That's just great, we have to put up with the disruption of all the works but don't gain anything from it. I'm hardly going to drive 2 mins up the road to park and then get the bus into town.

Meme says - "They have to make a profit and the return fees are not so bad given how much it costs to drive and then park in the city". That's all very well if there's just one person in the car, but you have a car full and the cost of the bus soon adds up. You might as well park in town and have the convenience of not queuing up for ages to get a bus back laden down with your shopping. P&R - great for tourists.
I personally don't find the Poppleton P&R exciting. When I was at an exhibition about what they're going to do at the old sugar beet factory site I was told that the busses wouldn't be stopping on Boroughbridge Rd, the first stop would be in Holgate - where people can actually walk into town from! That's just great, we have to put up with the disruption of all the works but don't gain anything from it. I'm hardly going to drive 2 mins up the road to park and then get the bus into town. Meme says - "They have to make a profit and the return fees are not so bad given how much it costs to drive and then park in the city". That's all very well if there's just one person in the car, but you have a car full and the cost of the bus soon adds up. You might as well park in town and have the convenience of not queuing up for ages to get a bus back laden down with your shopping. P&R - great for tourists. MrsHoney

2:43pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Caecilius says...

£2.70, eh? As opposed to the £3.50 it used to cost me for a return fare into York from an intermediate stop on the Park & Ride route, or the £3.70 it costs now that First has abolished return fares (for York residents) and the cheapest option is to buy a First Day ticket.

But hey, I'm just a local council tax payer who subsidises the free parking and the cheap fares for people who aren't.
£2.70, eh? As opposed to the £3.50 it used to cost me for a return fare into York from an intermediate stop on the Park & Ride route, or the £3.70 it costs now that First has abolished return fares (for York residents) and the cheapest option is to buy a First Day ticket. But hey, I'm just a local council tax payer who subsidises the free parking and the cheap fares for people who aren't. Caecilius

3:37pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Terry3 says...

Fares to rise? with the amount of money saved by making people leave their cars out of the city centre.. the Council could make a fortune and save heaps too.. The rides into town should be free.
Fares to rise? with the amount of money saved by making people leave their cars out of the city centre.. the Council could make a fortune and save heaps too.. The rides into town should be free. Terry3

4:01pm Mon 23 Dec 13

YorkShrimper says...

bloodaxe wrote:
naburn wrote: Parking 'brings £594m surplus for English councils' If this is the case,why are COYC putting fares up?
How much of that money is actually York's ? That people overstay their parking times is their own fault most of the time. Is it, as the government implies, a civil right to infringe parking regulations ? If "bully" councils are denying civil rights by imposing fines then that must be the corollary. As for the relationship of this issue to P&R, if you use that then you won't face any fines.
£5.1m according to the BBC

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-england-254
97675
[quote][p][bold]bloodaxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]naburn[/bold] wrote: Parking 'brings £594m surplus for English councils' If this is the case,why are COYC putting fares up?[/p][/quote]How much of that money is actually York's ? That people overstay their parking times is their own fault most of the time. Is it, as the government implies, a civil right to infringe parking regulations ? If "bully" councils are denying civil rights by imposing fines then that must be the corollary. As for the relationship of this issue to P&R, if you use that then you won't face any fines.[/p][/quote]£5.1m according to the BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-254 97675 YorkShrimper

4:01pm Mon 23 Dec 13

bolero says...

Not worth commenting on, except to say that York council just gets dafter, if that's possible.
Not worth commenting on, except to say that York council just gets dafter, if that's possible. bolero

4:16pm Mon 23 Dec 13

yorkonafork says...

If more people are going on Buses due to Lendal Bridge closure (as per the article the other day).Why do they need and rise in fare to subsidise improvement in service? The Lendal Bridge option is clearly working and increasing income for First and YCC a like....isn't it? Surely that article wasn't just more nonsense and lies?
If more people are going on Buses due to Lendal Bridge closure (as per the article the other day).Why do they need and rise in fare to subsidise improvement in service? The Lendal Bridge option is clearly working and increasing income for First and YCC a like....isn't it? Surely that article wasn't just more nonsense and lies? yorkonafork

4:45pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Knavesmire view says...

Councillor No Merrett strikes again!
Councillor No Merrett strikes again! Knavesmire view

4:52pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Diogenes2 says...

YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
I'd like to know more about the exciting plans for the park & ride in 2014.
I could be a ride with little James on his Christmas bike.
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: I'd like to know more about the exciting plans for the park & ride in 2014.[/p][/quote]I could be a ride with little James on his Christmas bike. Diogenes2

6:09pm Mon 23 Dec 13

pedalling paul says...

The P&R service is run commercially by First Bus. They have performance contracts with CoYC. These typically will include penalty clauses. CoYC can help bus performance by encouraging less car use for man short journeys. Also by providing more bus priority measures, at the deliberate expense of other road users.
The P&R service is run commercially by First Bus. They have performance contracts with CoYC. These typically will include penalty clauses. CoYC can help bus performance by encouraging less car use for man short journeys. Also by providing more bus priority measures, at the deliberate expense of other road users. pedalling paul

6:17pm Mon 23 Dec 13

trailblazer says...

The only reason they are putting up the fares is so they can continue to run the the No7 Park and ride between 0700/0900 from the designer outlet with an average of 92% of the seats empty, seven days a week,, on thirteen buses, scandalous, bus pollution is equivalent to about a 100 cars according to some figures.
The only reason they are putting up the fares is so they can continue to run the the No7 Park and ride between 0700/0900 from the designer outlet with an average of 92% of the seats empty, seven days a week,, on thirteen buses, scandalous, bus pollution is equivalent to about a 100 cars according to some figures. trailblazer

6:57pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Farrow says...

They might want to think about using the extra cash to trim the hedges at the Grimston Bar P&R so they don't scratch your car when you're trying to park up.
They might want to think about using the extra cash to trim the hedges at the Grimston Bar P&R so they don't scratch your car when you're trying to park up. Farrow

7:20pm Mon 23 Dec 13

TERRIER3 says...

meme wrote:
They have to make a profit and the return fees are not so bad given how much it costs to drive and then park in the city
and the service from where I live is surprisingly good .
I have always hated busses BUT it takes me 10 mins to get in and I don't have to pay to park a car and they do run pretty frequently. I never wait more than 10 mins so actually I am now converted although I do still drive and cycle in when weather is nice.
what is annoying is why are the busses so big when they are never full at all?
which one do you catch, those benys are quite often filled to the rafters, except after 6pm
[quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: They have to make a profit and the return fees are not so bad given how much it costs to drive and then park in the city and the service from where I live is surprisingly good [I live near ring road and close to a park and ride]. I have always hated busses BUT it takes me 10 mins to get in and I don't have to pay to park a car [or worry about Lendal bridge!] and they do run pretty frequently. I never wait more than 10 mins so actually I am now converted although I do still drive and cycle in when weather is nice. what is annoying is why are the busses so big when they are never full at all?[/p][/quote]which one do you catch, those benys are quite often filled to the rafters, except after 6pm TERRIER3

2:46am Tue 24 Dec 13

Magicman! says...

meme wrote:
They have to make a profit and the return fees are not so bad given how much it costs to drive and then park in the city
and the service from where I live is surprisingly good .
I have always hated busses BUT it takes me 10 mins to get in and I don't have to pay to park a car and they do run pretty frequently. I never wait more than 10 mins so actually I am now converted although I do still drive and cycle in when weather is nice.
what is annoying is why are the busses so big when they are never full at all?
The buses are sized for peak travel times... on an afternoon, the Grimston Bar and Askham Bar services easily fill up a bendybus full and standing - and on a Morning the Askham Bar service fills up full and standing both ways due to students using it to get to college. This saturday just gone, First had put out every single bus in its Park and Ride fleet and then went on to put additional vehicles on the routes so as to keep frequency as they knew they'd be really busy - the number 7 even had a double decker on it (the saturday before last, the 9 to monks cross had 2 double deckers on).
[quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: They have to make a profit and the return fees are not so bad given how much it costs to drive and then park in the city and the service from where I live is surprisingly good [I live near ring road and close to a park and ride]. I have always hated busses BUT it takes me 10 mins to get in and I don't have to pay to park a car [or worry about Lendal bridge!] and they do run pretty frequently. I never wait more than 10 mins so actually I am now converted although I do still drive and cycle in when weather is nice. what is annoying is why are the busses so big when they are never full at all?[/p][/quote]The buses are sized for peak travel times... on an afternoon, the Grimston Bar and Askham Bar services easily fill up a bendybus full and standing - and on a Morning the Askham Bar service fills up full and standing both ways due to students using it to get to college. This saturday just gone, First had put out every single bus in its Park and Ride fleet and then went on to put additional vehicles on the routes so as to keep frequency as they knew they'd be really busy - the number 7 even had a double decker on it (the saturday before last, the 9 to monks cross had 2 double deckers on). Magicman!

2:51am Tue 24 Dec 13

Magicman! says...

MrsHoney wrote:
I personally don't find the Poppleton P&R exciting. When I was at an exhibition about what they're going to do at the old sugar beet factory site I was told that the busses wouldn't be stopping on Boroughbridge Rd, the first stop would be in Holgate - where people can actually walk into town from! That's just great, we have to put up with the disruption of all the works but don't gain anything from it. I'm hardly going to drive 2 mins up the road to park and then get the bus into town.

Meme says - "They have to make a profit and the return fees are not so bad given how much it costs to drive and then park in the city". That's all very well if there's just one person in the car, but you have a car full and the cost of the bus soon adds up. You might as well park in town and have the convenience of not queuing up for ages to get a bus back laden down with your shopping. P&R - great for tourists.
I agree with the second paragraph.... I personally think York's P&R should be based on charging for the vehicle - when you enter and park up, you could go to a machine to buy a ticket - the machine asks how many occupants in the vehicle and then prints a ticket of two parts: part 1 would be placed in the car on the dash, whilst part 2 would be the bus ticket. For one person the return would be £2.70, for 2 people the return £3, for up to 7 people the return £4 - but the tickets would be 4-trip tickets and so allowing people to return halfway through the day to dump shopping in the car and then go back into the city. That's my view anyway, I personally think charging based on each person making a journey is archaic.
[quote][p][bold]MrsHoney[/bold] wrote: I personally don't find the Poppleton P&R exciting. When I was at an exhibition about what they're going to do at the old sugar beet factory site I was told that the busses wouldn't be stopping on Boroughbridge Rd, the first stop would be in Holgate - where people can actually walk into town from! That's just great, we have to put up with the disruption of all the works but don't gain anything from it. I'm hardly going to drive 2 mins up the road to park and then get the bus into town. Meme says - "They have to make a profit and the return fees are not so bad given how much it costs to drive and then park in the city". That's all very well if there's just one person in the car, but you have a car full and the cost of the bus soon adds up. You might as well park in town and have the convenience of not queuing up for ages to get a bus back laden down with your shopping. P&R - great for tourists.[/p][/quote]I agree with the second paragraph.... I personally think York's P&R should be based on charging for the vehicle - when you enter and park up, you could go to a machine to buy a ticket - the machine asks how many occupants in the vehicle and then prints a ticket of two parts: part 1 would be placed in the car on the dash, whilst part 2 would be the bus ticket. For one person the return would be £2.70, for 2 people the return £3, for up to 7 people the return £4 - but the tickets would be 4-trip tickets and so allowing people to return halfway through the day to dump shopping in the car and then go back into the city. That's my view anyway, I personally think charging based on each person making a journey is archaic. Magicman!

2:59am Tue 24 Dec 13

Magicman! says...

trailblazer wrote:
The only reason they are putting up the fares is so they can continue to run the the No7 Park and ride between 0700/0900 from the designer outlet with an average of 92% of the seats empty, seven days a week,, on thirteen buses, scandalous, bus pollution is equivalent to about a 100 cars according to some figures.
Thirteen buses?? where on earth did you get that number from?! Each Park and Ride route has a roster of 5 or 6 vehicles, the number 7 uses standard single deckers (most of the time) which have fairly small engines. And from rumours going round, there might soon be newer buses with even more efficient engines coming soon.

The Poppleton P&R is going to use all-electric buses (these have a colour scheme based on the normal First buses that recently got repainted, but the base colour is silver and the rest is 'eco' green) - and this is the trailblazer which could lead to the rest of the P&R routes going the same way eventually.
[quote][p][bold]trailblazer[/bold] wrote: The only reason they are putting up the fares is so they can continue to run the the No7 Park and ride between 0700/0900 from the designer outlet with an average of 92% of the seats empty, seven days a week,, on thirteen buses, scandalous, bus pollution is equivalent to about a 100 cars according to some figures.[/p][/quote]Thirteen buses?? where on earth did you get that number from?! Each Park and Ride route has a roster of 5 or 6 vehicles, the number 7 uses standard single deckers (most of the time) which have fairly small engines. And from rumours going round, there might soon be newer buses with even more efficient engines coming soon. The Poppleton P&R is going to use all-electric buses (these have a colour scheme based on the normal First buses that recently got repainted, but the base colour is silver and the rest is 'eco' green) - and this is the trailblazer which could lead to the rest of the P&R routes going the same way eventually. Magicman!

7:19am Tue 24 Dec 13

Igiveinthen says...

pedalling paul wrote:
The P&R service is run commercially by First Bus. They have performance contracts with CoYC. These typically will include penalty clauses. CoYC can help bus performance by encouraging less car use for man short journeys. Also by providing more bus priority measures, at the deliberate expense of other road users.
See the stupid vote rigging continues!!!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The P&R service is run commercially by First Bus. They have performance contracts with CoYC. These typically will include penalty clauses. CoYC can help bus performance by encouraging less car use for man short journeys. Also by providing more bus priority measures, at the deliberate expense of other road users.[/p][/quote]See the stupid vote rigging continues!!! Igiveinthen

7:35am Tue 24 Dec 13

postie28 says...

Igiveinthen wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
The P&R service is run commercially by First Bus. They have performance contracts with CoYC. These typically will include penalty clauses. CoYC can help bus performance by encouraging less car use for man short journeys. Also by providing more bus priority measures, at the deliberate expense of other road users.
See the stupid vote rigging continues!!!
this pathetic vote rigging does the council no favours. roll on 2015 when we can vote the fools out.
[quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The P&R service is run commercially by First Bus. They have performance contracts with CoYC. These typically will include penalty clauses. CoYC can help bus performance by encouraging less car use for man short journeys. Also by providing more bus priority measures, at the deliberate expense of other road users.[/p][/quote]See the stupid vote rigging continues!!![/p][/quote]this pathetic vote rigging does the council no favours. roll on 2015 when we can vote the fools out. postie28

9:17am Tue 24 Dec 13

naburn says...

Tesco has free parking plus i can re-fuel and get home before the bus!
Tesco has free parking plus i can re-fuel and get home before the bus! naburn

10:35am Tue 24 Dec 13

Igiveinthen says...

postie28 wrote:
Igiveinthen wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
The P&R service is run commercially by First Bus. They have performance contracts with CoYC. These typically will include penalty clauses. CoYC can help bus performance by encouraging less car use for man short journeys. Also by providing more bus priority measures, at the deliberate expense of other road users.
See the stupid vote rigging continues!!!
this pathetic vote rigging does the council no favours. roll on 2015 when we can vote the fools out.
Postie28 - Have you seen our scores on the doors, absolutely pathetic, so much for free speech eh?, still I suppose the idiot(s) who are doing it think they are clever, however any right minded person who reads the comments will be able to distinguish the truth, merry Christmas to Mrs Alexander and his puppet Mrs Merrett, oh and that double barrelled named lassie, you know who I mean.
[quote][p][bold]postie28[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The P&R service is run commercially by First Bus. They have performance contracts with CoYC. These typically will include penalty clauses. CoYC can help bus performance by encouraging less car use for man short journeys. Also by providing more bus priority measures, at the deliberate expense of other road users.[/p][/quote]See the stupid vote rigging continues!!![/p][/quote]this pathetic vote rigging does the council no favours. roll on 2015 when we can vote the fools out.[/p][/quote]Postie28 - Have you seen our scores on the doors, absolutely pathetic, so much for free speech eh?, still I suppose the idiot(s) who are doing it think they are clever, however any right minded person who reads the comments will be able to distinguish the truth, merry Christmas to Mrs Alexander and his puppet Mrs Merrett, oh and that double barrelled named lassie, you know who I mean. Igiveinthen

1:08pm Tue 24 Dec 13

trailblazer says...

Thirteen buses?? where on earth did you get that number from?! Each Park and Ride route has a roster of 5 or 6 vehicles, the number 7 uses standard single deckers (most of the time) which have fairly small engines. And from rumours going round, there might soon be newer buses with even more efficient engines coming soon. Quoted by Magicman

Thirteen is the number of buses that run between 0700 and 0900 every ten minutes, so each bus must do two or three runs if magicman says only 5 or 6 buses are rostered (sounds like a First company man) . Which then reveals that the return journey has over 96% of the seats empty, hence the need to increase fares.
Thirteen buses?? where on earth did you get that number from?! Each Park and Ride route has a roster of 5 or 6 vehicles, the number 7 uses standard single deckers (most of the time) which have fairly small engines. And from rumours going round, there might soon be newer buses with even more efficient engines coming soon. Quoted by Magicman Thirteen is the number of buses that run between 0700 and 0900 every ten minutes, so each bus must do two or three runs if magicman says only 5 or 6 buses are rostered (sounds like a First company man) . Which then reveals that the return journey has over 96% of the seats empty, hence the need to increase fares. trailblazer

7:51pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Silver says...

Igiveinthen wrote:
postie28 wrote:
Igiveinthen wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
The P&R service is run commercially by First Bus. They have performance contracts with CoYC. These typically will include penalty clauses. CoYC can help bus performance by encouraging less car use for man short journeys. Also by providing more bus priority measures, at the deliberate expense of other road users.
See the stupid vote rigging continues!!!
this pathetic vote rigging does the council no favours. roll on 2015 when we can vote the fools out.
Postie28 - Have you seen our scores on the doors, absolutely pathetic, so much for free speech eh?, still I suppose the idiot(s) who are doing it think they are clever, however any right minded person who reads the comments will be able to distinguish the truth, merry Christmas to Mrs Alexander and his puppet Mrs Merrett, oh and that double barrelled named lassie, you know who I mean.
I'm just quoting this as I agree with you guys but I'm just letting them having to now quadruple the effort to change it to a negative. The day 300 plus people click on liking PP's comment is the day pigs fly.
[quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]postie28[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The P&R service is run commercially by First Bus. They have performance contracts with CoYC. These typically will include penalty clauses. CoYC can help bus performance by encouraging less car use for man short journeys. Also by providing more bus priority measures, at the deliberate expense of other road users.[/p][/quote]See the stupid vote rigging continues!!![/p][/quote]this pathetic vote rigging does the council no favours. roll on 2015 when we can vote the fools out.[/p][/quote]Postie28 - Have you seen our scores on the doors, absolutely pathetic, so much for free speech eh?, still I suppose the idiot(s) who are doing it think they are clever, however any right minded person who reads the comments will be able to distinguish the truth, merry Christmas to Mrs Alexander and his puppet Mrs Merrett, oh and that double barrelled named lassie, you know who I mean.[/p][/quote]I'm just quoting this as I agree with you guys but I'm just letting them having to now quadruple the effort to change it to a negative. The day 300 plus people click on liking PP's comment is the day pigs fly. Silver

6:30pm Wed 25 Dec 13

daveyboy25 says...

All this for a 10p rise, hardly going to break the bank
All this for a 10p rise, hardly going to break the bank daveyboy25

3:48pm Thu 26 Dec 13

greenmonkey says...

Caecilius wrote:
£2.70, eh? As opposed to the £3.50 it used to cost me for a return fare into York from an intermediate stop on the Park & Ride route, or the £3.70 it costs now that First has abolished return fares (for York residents) and the cheapest option is to buy a First Day ticket.

But hey, I'm just a local council tax payer who subsidises the free parking and the cheap fares for people who aren't.
This disparity makes clear why we need a quality contract to allow the council to control bus fares and services. Park and ride fares have to be agreed with the council (they own all but the designer outlet sites) but intermediate stops and fares out to the park and ride site are classed as commercial and not controlled in any way. Hence, from where I live, it used to cost 50p more to use a no 7 than the 416 Arriva. First have now reduced some of their excessive fares but they still make a healthy profit on York bus routes.
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: £2.70, eh? As opposed to the £3.50 it used to cost me for a return fare into York from an intermediate stop on the Park & Ride route, or the £3.70 it costs now that First has abolished return fares (for York residents) and the cheapest option is to buy a First Day ticket. But hey, I'm just a local council tax payer who subsidises the free parking and the cheap fares for people who aren't.[/p][/quote]This disparity makes clear why we need a quality contract to allow the council to control bus fares and services. Park and ride fares have to be agreed with the council (they own all but the designer outlet sites) but intermediate stops and fares out to the park and ride site are classed as commercial and not controlled in any way. Hence, from where I live, it used to cost 50p more to use a no 7 than the 416 Arriva. First have now reduced some of their excessive fares but they still make a healthy profit on York bus routes. greenmonkey

3:57pm Thu 26 Dec 13

greenmonkey says...

Magicman! wrote:
MrsHoney wrote:
I personally don't find the Poppleton P&R exciting. When I was at an exhibition about what they're going to do at the old sugar beet factory site I was told that the busses wouldn't be stopping on Boroughbridge Rd, the first stop would be in Holgate - where people can actually walk into town from! That's just great, we have to put up with the disruption of all the works but don't gain anything from it. I'm hardly going to drive 2 mins up the road to park and then get the bus into town.

Meme says - "They have to make a profit and the return fees are not so bad given how much it costs to drive and then park in the city". That's all very well if there's just one person in the car, but you have a car full and the cost of the bus soon adds up. You might as well park in town and have the convenience of not queuing up for ages to get a bus back laden down with your shopping. P&R - great for tourists.
I agree with the second paragraph.... I personally think York's P&R should be based on charging for the vehicle - when you enter and park up, you could go to a machine to buy a ticket - the machine asks how many occupants in the vehicle and then prints a ticket of two parts: part 1 would be placed in the car on the dash, whilst part 2 would be the bus ticket. For one person the return would be £2.70, for 2 people the return £3, for up to 7 people the return £4 - but the tickets would be 4-trip tickets and so allowing people to return halfway through the day to dump shopping in the car and then go back into the city. That's my view anyway, I personally think charging based on each person making a journey is archaic.
I agree we would need fewer parking spaces and have less congestion if there was a financial incentive to car share to the park and ride sites. Just imagine people in a village pairing up so 3 or 4 come in the same car rather than each driving several miles to fill 3 parking spaces. I would make it the same price for two as one but would have to think of ways to prevent two people just pairing up in the car park to get a half price bus ride!
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsHoney[/bold] wrote: I personally don't find the Poppleton P&R exciting. When I was at an exhibition about what they're going to do at the old sugar beet factory site I was told that the busses wouldn't be stopping on Boroughbridge Rd, the first stop would be in Holgate - where people can actually walk into town from! That's just great, we have to put up with the disruption of all the works but don't gain anything from it. I'm hardly going to drive 2 mins up the road to park and then get the bus into town. Meme says - "They have to make a profit and the return fees are not so bad given how much it costs to drive and then park in the city". That's all very well if there's just one person in the car, but you have a car full and the cost of the bus soon adds up. You might as well park in town and have the convenience of not queuing up for ages to get a bus back laden down with your shopping. P&R - great for tourists.[/p][/quote]I agree with the second paragraph.... I personally think York's P&R should be based on charging for the vehicle - when you enter and park up, you could go to a machine to buy a ticket - the machine asks how many occupants in the vehicle and then prints a ticket of two parts: part 1 would be placed in the car on the dash, whilst part 2 would be the bus ticket. For one person the return would be £2.70, for 2 people the return £3, for up to 7 people the return £4 - but the tickets would be 4-trip tickets and so allowing people to return halfway through the day to dump shopping in the car and then go back into the city. That's my view anyway, I personally think charging based on each person making a journey is archaic.[/p][/quote]I agree we would need fewer parking spaces and have less congestion if there was a financial incentive to car share to the park and ride sites. Just imagine people in a village pairing up so 3 or 4 come in the same car rather than each driving several miles to fill 3 parking spaces. I would make it the same price for two as one but would have to think of ways to prevent two people just pairing up in the car park to get a half price bus ride! greenmonkey

5:26pm Sun 29 Dec 13

CaroleBaines says...

daveyboy25 wrote:
All this for a 10p rise, hardly going to break the bank
Well quite. Although it won't stop the baying pack from their piece of vitriol.
[quote][p][bold]daveyboy25[/bold] wrote: All this for a 10p rise, hardly going to break the bank[/p][/quote]Well quite. Although it won't stop the baying pack from their piece of vitriol. CaroleBaines

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