Bag of rubbish sparks 999 scare in York

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  • Suspect package found in Petergate
  • Streets closed near Minster
  • Local businesses told to let nobody in or out

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Police were called around midday today to reports of an unattended bag spotted near a compacter bin close near St Michael le Belfry Church on High Petergate. 

The road was closed from its junction with Stonegate to Bootham Bar, and part of the plaza outside the Minster was also cordoned off.

Staff and customers at businesses along High Petergate were evacuated, and chefs from the Guy Fawkes Inn had to shut off ovens and abandon the meals they were cooking.

Shops further down the road were told not to let anyone in our out of the property.

Michelle Ruddiman, owner of Image Gallery near Bootham Bar, said she heard a commotion while she was on the phone at around 12.30pm, but did not know what was going on until she tried to leave the shop and was stopped by a police officer.

"He said if I left I wouldn't be able to get back into the shop."

By 1pm police confirmed the package was not suspicious. The cordon was lifted and people were allowed back into shops and businesses.

Police said they were confident the call was made to them with good intent.

1:03pm

Official police statement:

"The incident in High Petergate has now been resolved.

The bag was not suspicious and officers are satisfied that the call to the police was made with good intent.

The cordon has been lifted and people have been allowed to return to the evacuated buildings.

The report related to a rucksack and a black bag which turned out to contain rubbish."

12:59pm

Police have confirmed to The Press that the incident is now over. They say two bags were left unattended. One was a rucksack and the other a black bag containing rubbish.

12:58pm

2 more pictures taken a few minutes ago:York Press:

York Press:

12:56pm

Victoria Prest at the scene says police are now removing the cordon. The incident looks to be over safely.

12:53pm

Reporter Victoria Prest, on the scene, says police are searching near the bike racks near the Guy Fawkes Inn and St Michael le Belfrey Church. 

12:49pm

Another pic by Haydn Lewis at Bootham Bar:

York Press:

12:46pm

Bootham Bar has been sealed off by police, and Minster security staff have sealed off the entrance to the cathedral near St Michael le Belfrey, says deputy news editor Haydn Lewis.

12:45pm

Official statement from North Yorkshire Police

Police were called at around 12pm today following a reports of  an unattended bag outside a property on High Petergate in York.

As a precaution, officers have placed a cordon in place and have evacuated the property while they attempt to identify the owner of the bag.

We will release further details when we are able

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12:40pm

If you are in the area, please email newsdesk@thepress.co.uk with pcitures or to tell us what you can see. We're awaiting an official statement from North Yorkshire Police.

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12:39pm

A couple of pictures from the scene by our deputy news editor Haydn Lewis 

York Press:

York Press:

12:37pm

A Petergate shopkeeper has told The Press that police have said a suspect package has been found. He says Petergate is cordoned off between St Michael le Belfrey and Minster Gates.

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12:34pm

POLICE have cordoned off a large area of York city-centre.

Large numbers of officers are in Petergate, Minster Gates, Duncombe Place and the area around York Minster.

A cordon is in place in Minster Gates.

A member of staff at the Dean Court Hotel has told The Press police have told them to lock their doors and not let anyone in or out.

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1:00pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Realistic ycfc says...

Massive overaction as usual
Massive overaction as usual Realistic ycfc

1:04pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Realistic ycfc says...

sorry should has said overreaction, please tell me the last time York was bombed?
sorry should has said overreaction, please tell me the last time York was bombed? Realistic ycfc

1:05pm Fri 20 Dec 13

maybejustmaybe says...

Was the councils city centre evacuation plan put into effect?
Was the councils city centre evacuation plan put into effect? maybejustmaybe

1:22pm Fri 20 Dec 13

smudge2 says...

It gives the police something to do instead of riding around the city..I don't quite think York is a bomb target unless you are a drama queen !!
It gives the police something to do instead of riding around the city..I don't quite think York is a bomb target unless you are a drama queen !! smudge2

1:32pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Realistic ycfc says...

Would a fine still be issued if people used lendal bridge as a mean of escape?
Would a fine still be issued if people used lendal bridge as a mean of escape? Realistic ycfc

1:39pm Fri 20 Dec 13

hoekstra says...

The person who rang this in needs to stop watching tv and get a grip on reality. A bin bag does not equal a bomb. Put down the Homeland boxset, you absolute moron
The person who rang this in needs to stop watching tv and get a grip on reality. A bin bag does not equal a bomb. Put down the Homeland boxset, you absolute moron hoekstra

2:45pm Fri 20 Dec 13

the commentator says...

as if the police wont have enough to deal with today with all of the drunken tradesmen out on the lash.
as if the police wont have enough to deal with today with all of the drunken tradesmen out on the lash. the commentator

2:49pm Fri 20 Dec 13

MorkofYork says...

Realistic ycfc wrote:
sorry should has said overreaction, please tell me the last time York was bombed?
2nd August 1942.

If you look at All saints on Nunnery lane you can see the new brickwork where it was repaired after the Baedeker raids.

http://yorkairraids.
wordpress.com/

You asked lol.
[quote][p][bold]Realistic ycfc[/bold] wrote: sorry should has said overreaction, please tell me the last time York was bombed?[/p][/quote]2nd August 1942. If you look at All saints on Nunnery lane you can see the new brickwork where it was repaired after the Baedeker raids. http://yorkairraids. wordpress.com/ You asked lol. MorkofYork

2:51pm Fri 20 Dec 13

The Grim Reaper says...

And to all you folk that think this was an over-reaction - what if? Your reactions would have been different if this had have a bomb, and it went off maiming and killing people. It happens.

Nowhere is a safe place in 2013, nowhere.
And to all you folk that think this was an over-reaction - what if? Your reactions would have been different if this had have a bomb, and it went off maiming and killing people. It happens. Nowhere is a safe place in 2013, nowhere. The Grim Reaper

2:57pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Realistic ycfc says...

the commentator wrote:
as if the police wont have enough to deal with today with all of the drunken tradesmen out on the lash.
It's called overtime the police will be loving it
[quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: as if the police wont have enough to deal with today with all of the drunken tradesmen out on the lash.[/p][/quote]It's called overtime the police will be loving it Realistic ycfc

3:19pm Fri 20 Dec 13

oldgoat says...

Realistic ycfc wrote:
sorry should has said overreaction, please tell me the last time York was bombed?
Ask that one to any of the residents of any of the towns where the IRA set off a bomb.
Far better that they reacted as they did and it was nothing, than to be photographing the bomb crater and lamenting the collapse of the Minster towers....

We are all paying for the foreign policies of certain national leaders.
[quote][p][bold]Realistic ycfc[/bold] wrote: sorry should has said overreaction, please tell me the last time York was bombed?[/p][/quote]Ask that one to any of the residents of any of the towns where the IRA set off a bomb. Far better that they reacted as they did and it was nothing, than to be photographing the bomb crater and lamenting the collapse of the Minster towers.... We are all paying for the foreign policies of certain national leaders. oldgoat

3:27pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Firedrake says...

A pipe bomb exploded outside the old Penguine bookshop in Coppergate during the Salman Rushdie / Satanic Verses affair. Prior to that, Strensall Barracks was bombed by the IRA in about 1973/4. Fortunately, there were no fatalities in either case; possibly some injuries at Strensall.
A pipe bomb exploded outside the old Penguine bookshop in Coppergate during the Salman Rushdie / Satanic Verses affair. Prior to that, Strensall Barracks was bombed by the IRA in about 1973/4. Fortunately, there were no fatalities in either case; possibly some injuries at Strensall. Firedrake

3:31pm Fri 20 Dec 13

bolero says...

Except that it wasn't suspicious was it?
Except that it wasn't suspicious was it? bolero

3:40pm Fri 20 Dec 13

MorkofYork says...

Firedrake wrote:
A pipe bomb exploded outside the old Penguine bookshop in Coppergate during the Salman Rushdie / Satanic Verses affair. Prior to that, Strensall Barracks was bombed by the IRA in about 1973/4. Fortunately, there were no fatalities in either case; possibly some injuries at Strensall.
Smart **** :-)
[quote][p][bold]Firedrake[/bold] wrote: A pipe bomb exploded outside the old Penguine bookshop in Coppergate during the Salman Rushdie / Satanic Verses affair. Prior to that, Strensall Barracks was bombed by the IRA in about 1973/4. Fortunately, there were no fatalities in either case; possibly some injuries at Strensall.[/p][/quote]Smart **** :-) MorkofYork

3:41pm Fri 20 Dec 13

MorkofYork says...

@ss

Can't believe that's blocked.
@ss Can't believe that's blocked. MorkofYork

3:42pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Firedrake says...

Well, Realistic ycfc did ask ...
Well, Realistic ycfc did ask ... Firedrake

3:57pm Fri 20 Dec 13

AGuyFromStrensall says...

bolero wrote:
Except that it wasn't suspicious was it?
There was an unattended backpack (and a bin bag), that's going to be as likely a bomb holding device as anything else I guess,,,
[quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: Except that it wasn't suspicious was it?[/p][/quote]There was an unattended backpack (and a bin bag), that's going to be as likely a bomb holding device as anything else I guess,,, AGuyFromStrensall

4:07pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Buzzz Light-year says...

The Grim Reaper wrote:
And to all you folk that think this was an over-reaction - what if? Your reactions would have been different if this had have a bomb, and it went off maiming and killing people. It happens. Nowhere is a safe place in 2013, nowhere.
Looking forward to a week on Wednesday then we can all breathe a sigh of relief.
[quote][p][bold]The Grim Reaper[/bold] wrote: And to all you folk that think this was an over-reaction - what if? Your reactions would have been different if this had have a bomb, and it went off maiming and killing people. It happens. Nowhere is a safe place in 2013, nowhere.[/p][/quote]Looking forward to a week on Wednesday then we can all breathe a sigh of relief. Buzzz Light-year

4:11pm Fri 20 Dec 13

bolero says...

AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
bolero wrote: Except that it wasn't suspicious was it?
There was an unattended backpack (and a bin bag), that's going to be as likely a bomb holding device as anything else I guess,,,
The `police report` at 1.3pm said the bag was not suspicious.
[quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: Except that it wasn't suspicious was it?[/p][/quote]There was an unattended backpack (and a bin bag), that's going to be as likely a bomb holding device as anything else I guess,,,[/p][/quote]The `police report` at 1.3pm said the bag was not suspicious. bolero

4:13pm Fri 20 Dec 13

notmyrealname says...

there are plenty of unattended bin bags around bins in York at any time - thats because the council took all the bins away and never empty the remaining ones. Safety first yes but overreaction as usual Where do all these spare police officers go for the rest of the time - Maybe a few more on patrol would be able to spot anything suspicious. All the times i go into York centre I rarely see any officers on the beat .
there are plenty of unattended bin bags around bins in York at any time - thats because the council took all the bins away and never empty the remaining ones. Safety first yes but overreaction as usual Where do all these spare police officers go for the rest of the time - Maybe a few more on patrol would be able to spot anything suspicious. All the times i go into York centre I rarely see any officers on the beat . notmyrealname

4:29pm Fri 20 Dec 13

smudge2 says...

The Grim Reaper wrote:
And to all you folk that think this was an over-reaction - what if? Your reactions would have been different if this had have a bomb, and it went off maiming and killing people. It happens.

Nowhere is a safe place in 2013, nowhere.
Drama queen
[quote][p][bold]The Grim Reaper[/bold] wrote: And to all you folk that think this was an over-reaction - what if? Your reactions would have been different if this had have a bomb, and it went off maiming and killing people. It happens. Nowhere is a safe place in 2013, nowhere.[/p][/quote]Drama queen smudge2

5:05pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Garrowby Turnoff says...

I've used a black plastic bag to keep the electrics dry on my outside lights in the garden. Should I...

a) Inform the police?

b) Place a "black plastic bag is safe" warning sign up?

or c) Will it be ignored, such as when my car alarm goes off?
I've used a black plastic bag to keep the electrics dry on my outside lights in the garden. Should I... a) Inform the police? b) Place a "black plastic bag is safe" warning sign up? or c) Will it be ignored, such as when my car alarm goes off? Garrowby Turnoff

5:25pm Fri 20 Dec 13

MouseHouse says...

The Grim Reaper wrote:
And to all you folk that think this was an over-reaction - what if? Your reactions would have been different if this had have a bomb, and it went off maiming and killing people. It happens.

Nowhere is a safe place in 2013, nowhere.
There are loads of safe places in 2013. Here in the UK, Europe and worldwide. Please do stop spreading such Daily Mailesque nonsense.

We could be safer of course, scrapping Trident would be an excellent start.

Congratulations to the well intentioned citizen for reporting this. Well done to the authorities for resolving so speedily.
[quote][p][bold]The Grim Reaper[/bold] wrote: And to all you folk that think this was an over-reaction - what if? Your reactions would have been different if this had have a bomb, and it went off maiming and killing people. It happens. Nowhere is a safe place in 2013, nowhere.[/p][/quote]There are loads of safe places in 2013. Here in the UK, Europe and worldwide. Please do stop spreading such Daily Mailesque nonsense. We could be safer of course, scrapping Trident would be an excellent start. Congratulations to the well intentioned citizen for reporting this. Well done to the authorities for resolving so speedily. MouseHouse

5:41pm Fri 20 Dec 13

fingers69 says...

real terrorists have been watched for years, such as the IRA who planted the Brighton bomb months in advance to avoid detection. al queda were trained by the CIA to get the Russians out of Afghanistan. So police and MI5 tap our phones and emails so they can make it look as if they're doing something. So terrorist groups do their best to avoid detection. A few bin bags is not an intelligent way to cause mayhem, but it does make the police look good and pay their costs for Christmas presents etc.
real terrorists have been watched for years, such as the IRA who planted the Brighton bomb months in advance to avoid detection. al queda were trained by the CIA to get the Russians out of Afghanistan. So police and MI5 tap our phones and emails so they can make it look as if they're doing something. So terrorist groups do their best to avoid detection. A few bin bags is not an intelligent way to cause mayhem, but it does make the police look good and pay their costs for Christmas presents etc. fingers69

8:04pm Fri 20 Dec 13

carpon says...

Get a grip of reality? Well the answer to that is, we live in a volatile world, and whether as individuals or collectively we agree with our government’s interventions abroad combined with our intelligence services, we are a target.
I personally think the police did not have a choice in their reactions; their role is to serve and protect the public. This is not an over reaction but a plan of action already planned in advance for such an event.
No rational person would wish to scare monger but what if this was just an exercise to see how the police would react by would be terrorists?
Thankfully all it caused was some inconvenience for a while.
Get a grip of reality? Well the answer to that is, we live in a volatile world, and whether as individuals or collectively we agree with our government’s interventions abroad combined with our intelligence services, we are a target. I personally think the police did not have a choice in their reactions; their role is to serve and protect the public. This is not an over reaction but a plan of action already planned in advance for such an event. No rational person would wish to scare monger but what if this was just an exercise to see how the police would react by would be terrorists? Thankfully all it caused was some inconvenience for a while. carpon

9:10pm Fri 20 Dec 13

level-headed says...

When I saw the headline, I presumed it related to a sighting of James Alexander......... ;-)
When I saw the headline, I presumed it related to a sighting of James Alexander......... ;-) level-headed

9:33pm Fri 20 Dec 13

jumbojet says...

The Grim Reaper wrote:
And to all you folk that think this was an over-reaction - what if? Your reactions would have been different if this had have a bomb, and it went off maiming and killing people. It happens.

Nowhere is a safe place in 2013, nowhere.
You are right Grim Reaper, and the idiots who have opposite points of view should have been in Manchester when those two faced Irish b******s blew up the centre of the City, only thanks to Greater Manchester Police did no one die. I suggest those of you who think security is a some sort of joke should take a quick history lesson, and you will then realise what previous bombs/bags/backpacks have managed to achieve ,ie. total chaos, death and destruction, and to trivialise this event only shows your level of intelligence, IQ shoe size, and allowed to vote.
[quote][p][bold]The Grim Reaper[/bold] wrote: And to all you folk that think this was an over-reaction - what if? Your reactions would have been different if this had have a bomb, and it went off maiming and killing people. It happens. Nowhere is a safe place in 2013, nowhere.[/p][/quote]You are right Grim Reaper, and the idiots who have opposite points of view should have been in Manchester when those two faced Irish b******s blew up the centre of the City, only thanks to Greater Manchester Police did no one die. I suggest those of you who think security is a some sort of joke should take a quick history lesson, and you will then realise what previous bombs/bags/backpacks have managed to achieve ,ie. total chaos, death and destruction, and to trivialise this event only shows your level of intelligence, IQ shoe size, and allowed to vote. jumbojet

9:43pm Fri 20 Dec 13

pedalling paul says...

Pleased to note from the photo, that a cycling police officer was quickly on the scene............
Pleased to note from the photo, that a cycling police officer was quickly on the scene............ pedalling paul

10:02pm Fri 20 Dec 13

VINNIE J says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Pleased to note from the photo, that a cycling police officer was quickly on the scene............
Yawn
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Pleased to note from the photo, that a cycling police officer was quickly on the scene............[/p][/quote]Yawn VINNIE J

12:59am Sat 21 Dec 13

MouseHouse says...

jumbojet wrote:
The Grim Reaper wrote:
And to all you folk that think this was an over-reaction - what if? Your reactions would have been different if this had have a bomb, and it went off maiming and killing people. It happens.

Nowhere is a safe place in 2013, nowhere.
You are right Grim Reaper, and the idiots who have opposite points of view should have been in Manchester when those two faced Irish b******s blew up the centre of the City, only thanks to Greater Manchester Police did no one die. I suggest those of you who think security is a some sort of joke should take a quick history lesson, and you will then realise what previous bombs/bags/backpacks have managed to achieve ,ie. total chaos, death and destruction, and to trivialise this event only shows your level of intelligence, IQ shoe size, and allowed to vote.
The Grim Reaper said "nowhere is safe in 2013" and you think you have proved that by mentioning the IRA bombing oi Manchester (I lived very close to Manchester at the time) some decades ago. As we now have a much reduced threat from the Irish Republican movement as a whole your evidence shows that we're safer now form the source of terrorism than we were then.

It is not idiotic to have an opposing view to somebody else. You need to grow up rapidly.

We do not need Trident - scrapping that Weapon of Mass Destruction will make this world a huge step safer.
[quote][p][bold]jumbojet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Grim Reaper[/bold] wrote: And to all you folk that think this was an over-reaction - what if? Your reactions would have been different if this had have a bomb, and it went off maiming and killing people. It happens. Nowhere is a safe place in 2013, nowhere.[/p][/quote]You are right Grim Reaper, and the idiots who have opposite points of view should have been in Manchester when those two faced Irish b******s blew up the centre of the City, only thanks to Greater Manchester Police did no one die. I suggest those of you who think security is a some sort of joke should take a quick history lesson, and you will then realise what previous bombs/bags/backpacks have managed to achieve ,ie. total chaos, death and destruction, and to trivialise this event only shows your level of intelligence, IQ shoe size, and allowed to vote.[/p][/quote]The Grim Reaper said "nowhere is safe in 2013" and you think you have proved that by mentioning the IRA bombing oi Manchester (I lived very close to Manchester at the time) some decades ago. As we now have a much reduced threat from the Irish Republican movement as a whole your evidence shows that we're safer now form the source of terrorism than we were then. It is not idiotic to have an opposing view to somebody else. You need to grow up rapidly. We do not need Trident - scrapping that Weapon of Mass Destruction will make this world a huge step safer. MouseHouse

2:59am Sat 21 Dec 13

Magicman! says...

Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
I've used a black plastic bag to keep the electrics dry on my outside lights in the garden. Should I...

a) Inform the police?

b) Place a "black plastic bag is safe" warning sign up?

or c) Will it be ignored, such as when my car alarm goes off?
Modify your car alarm so that when it goes off, it just places a dark coloured case down by the bottom of a lamp post.... you might get police attendance then!
[quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: I've used a black plastic bag to keep the electrics dry on my outside lights in the garden. Should I... a) Inform the police? b) Place a "black plastic bag is safe" warning sign up? or c) Will it be ignored, such as when my car alarm goes off?[/p][/quote]Modify your car alarm so that when it goes off, it just places a dark coloured case down by the bottom of a lamp post.... you might get police attendance then! Magicman!

3:02am Sat 21 Dec 13

Magicman! says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Pleased to note from the photo, that a cycling police officer was quickly on the scene............
THAT is what yougot from this? from this entire event, you pick out that?!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Pleased to note from the photo, that a cycling police officer was quickly on the scene............[/p][/quote]THAT is what yougot from this? from this entire event, you pick out that?! Magicman!

8:34am Sat 21 Dec 13

pedalling paul says...

Magicman! wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Pleased to note from the photo, that a cycling police officer was quickly on the scene............
THAT is what yougot from this? from this entire event, you pick out that?!
One bite so far...........
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Pleased to note from the photo, that a cycling police officer was quickly on the scene............[/p][/quote]THAT is what yougot from this? from this entire event, you pick out that?![/p][/quote]One bite so far........... pedalling paul

11:35pm Sat 21 Dec 13

jumbojet says...

MouseHouse. You obviously know very little about security, or our present threat level. Stick with your ban-the -bomb team of left wing idiots, and lets just hope you never have to suffer the aftermath of a terrorist bomb.
MouseHouse. You obviously know very little about security, or our present threat level. Stick with your ban-the -bomb team of left wing idiots, and lets just hope you never have to suffer the aftermath of a terrorist bomb. jumbojet

12:46pm Mon 23 Dec 13

MouseHouse says...

jumbojet wrote:
MouseHouse. You obviously know very little about security, or our present threat level. Stick with your ban-the -bomb team of left wing idiots, and lets just hope you never have to suffer the aftermath of a terrorist bomb.
Silly immature comment.

You and I almost certainly have just about the same level of knowledge relating to UK Security. Why? I read the papers, I read the news, I have an open mind...and I'm not one of the couple of dozen (at most) people who truly know the full extent.

Why scrap Trident? Logic, and to improve our security. How? Trident will cost us circa £100 billion. It provides us with what? What benefits do we get? It provides the PM of the day a fig leaf to pretend we're still a world power. It is meant to provide us with security on the basis that nobody would nuke us as we would nuke them back. Now ask the questions - where does our most serious nuclear threat come from? France, the US, Russia? Not at all. Our biggest nuclear threat comes from Pakistan - an unstable nuclear power. Do you agree with that? Do you agree that Pakistan is an unstable nuclear power? If the mad Mullahs take power in Islamabad the thing they want most of all is to see millions of people die, and they don't care if they are British, Pakistanis, Jews, Muslims, Hindus etc. They want to die so they can go to their twisted view of paradise. Do you honestly think that us threatening to nuke them back is going to even make them flinch? These people blow themselves up on tube trains, they shoot little girls on the way to school, they blow up trains, and run amok on the streets of Mumbai. This means that Trident fails to do what it is meant to do. Fails miserably.

So, back to us. Our terrorist threat of late has been "home grown" - the fascist bigots that blew up the gay pubs in London, the weirdos from the Animal Liberation Front and similar guises. The idiots that fire bombed the mosque in Hull, and of course the suicide bombers - may they rot in their version of hell. How do we stop them? We stop them by beefing up our national security - more people - more technology - more resources - perhaps if we'd had more people on the ground that chap with the curfew tag may not have walked out of a mosque. Spend the £100 billion on tools and defence systems we need, not on a PMs fig leaf.
[quote][p][bold]jumbojet[/bold] wrote: MouseHouse. You obviously know very little about security, or our present threat level. Stick with your ban-the -bomb team of left wing idiots, and lets just hope you never have to suffer the aftermath of a terrorist bomb.[/p][/quote]Silly immature comment. You and I almost certainly have just about the same level of knowledge relating to UK Security. Why? I read the papers, I read the news, I have an open mind...and I'm not one of the couple of dozen (at most) people who truly know the full extent. Why scrap Trident? Logic, and to improve our security. How? Trident will cost us circa £100 billion. It provides us with what? What benefits do we get? It provides the PM of the day a fig leaf to pretend we're still a world power. It is meant to provide us with security on the basis that nobody would nuke us as we would nuke them back. Now ask the questions - where does our most serious nuclear threat come from? France, the US, Russia? Not at all. Our biggest nuclear threat comes from Pakistan - an unstable nuclear power. Do you agree with that? Do you agree that Pakistan is an unstable nuclear power? If the mad Mullahs take power in Islamabad the thing they want most of all is to see millions of people die, and they don't care if they are British, Pakistanis, Jews, Muslims, Hindus etc. They want to die so they can go to their twisted view of paradise. Do you honestly think that us threatening to nuke them back is going to even make them flinch? These people blow themselves up on tube trains, they shoot little girls on the way to school, they blow up trains, and run amok on the streets of Mumbai. This means that Trident fails to do what it is meant to do. Fails miserably. So, back to us. Our terrorist threat of late has been "home grown" - the fascist bigots that blew up the gay pubs in London, the weirdos from the Animal Liberation Front and similar guises. The idiots that fire bombed the mosque in Hull, and of course the suicide bombers - may they rot in their version of hell. How do we stop them? We stop them by beefing up our national security - more people - more technology - more resources - perhaps if we'd had more people on the ground that chap with the curfew tag may not have walked out of a mosque. Spend the £100 billion on tools and defence systems we need, not on a PMs fig leaf. MouseHouse

11:58am Tue 24 Dec 13

sonorbloke says...

MouseHouse wrote:
jumbojet wrote: MouseHouse. You obviously know very little about security, or our present threat level. Stick with your ban-the -bomb team of left wing idiots, and lets just hope you never have to suffer the aftermath of a terrorist bomb.
Silly immature comment. You and I almost certainly have just about the same level of knowledge relating to UK Security. Why? I read the papers, I read the news, I have an open mind...and I'm not one of the couple of dozen (at most) people who truly know the full extent. Why scrap Trident? Logic, and to improve our security. How? Trident will cost us circa £100 billion. It provides us with what? What benefits do we get? It provides the PM of the day a fig leaf to pretend we're still a world power. It is meant to provide us with security on the basis that nobody would nuke us as we would nuke them back. Now ask the questions - where does our most serious nuclear threat come from? France, the US, Russia? Not at all. Our biggest nuclear threat comes from Pakistan - an unstable nuclear power. Do you agree with that? Do you agree that Pakistan is an unstable nuclear power? If the mad Mullahs take power in Islamabad the thing they want most of all is to see millions of people die, and they don't care if they are British, Pakistanis, Jews, Muslims, Hindus etc. They want to die so they can go to their twisted view of paradise. Do you honestly think that us threatening to nuke them back is going to even make them flinch? These people blow themselves up on tube trains, they shoot little girls on the way to school, they blow up trains, and run amok on the streets of Mumbai. This means that Trident fails to do what it is meant to do. Fails miserably. So, back to us. Our terrorist threat of late has been "home grown" - the fascist bigots that blew up the gay pubs in London, the weirdos from the Animal Liberation Front and similar guises. The idiots that fire bombed the mosque in Hull, and of course the suicide bombers - may they rot in their version of hell. How do we stop them? We stop them by beefing up our national security - more people - more technology - more resources - perhaps if we'd had more people on the ground that chap with the curfew tag may not have walked out of a mosque. Spend the £100 billion on tools and defence systems we need, not on a PMs fig leaf.
Not a silly comment at all and there are plenty who are aware of the ACTUAL threat level, which isn't normally stated in the papers or news. It is, however, freely available and I suggest you look it up.

There is a much greater existing threat from Northern Irish based terrorists than is realised by most, the threat is currently Moderate (possible but unlikely) on mainland UK and Severe (highly likely) in NI. There have been a number of fatal attacks and a much larger of attacks that either caused injury or were foiled in NI and it would be extremely rash to completely discount the possibility of an attack on the mainland UK.

In terms of terrorism in general the current threat is rated as Substantial, which is defined as there being a 'strong possibility' of a terrorist attack. I'd also point out that this applies across all areas of the mainland UK, not just in London, Manchester or other big cities.

When that is taken into consideration the reaction was proportionate. A bin bag may not be a likely or common receptacle for an IED, but a backpack most certainly is, think 7/7 or Boston bombings.
[quote][p][bold]MouseHouse[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jumbojet[/bold] wrote: MouseHouse. You obviously know very little about security, or our present threat level. Stick with your ban-the -bomb team of left wing idiots, and lets just hope you never have to suffer the aftermath of a terrorist bomb.[/p][/quote]Silly immature comment. You and I almost certainly have just about the same level of knowledge relating to UK Security. Why? I read the papers, I read the news, I have an open mind...and I'm not one of the couple of dozen (at most) people who truly know the full extent. Why scrap Trident? Logic, and to improve our security. How? Trident will cost us circa £100 billion. It provides us with what? What benefits do we get? It provides the PM of the day a fig leaf to pretend we're still a world power. It is meant to provide us with security on the basis that nobody would nuke us as we would nuke them back. Now ask the questions - where does our most serious nuclear threat come from? France, the US, Russia? Not at all. Our biggest nuclear threat comes from Pakistan - an unstable nuclear power. Do you agree with that? Do you agree that Pakistan is an unstable nuclear power? If the mad Mullahs take power in Islamabad the thing they want most of all is to see millions of people die, and they don't care if they are British, Pakistanis, Jews, Muslims, Hindus etc. They want to die so they can go to their twisted view of paradise. Do you honestly think that us threatening to nuke them back is going to even make them flinch? These people blow themselves up on tube trains, they shoot little girls on the way to school, they blow up trains, and run amok on the streets of Mumbai. This means that Trident fails to do what it is meant to do. Fails miserably. So, back to us. Our terrorist threat of late has been "home grown" - the fascist bigots that blew up the gay pubs in London, the weirdos from the Animal Liberation Front and similar guises. The idiots that fire bombed the mosque in Hull, and of course the suicide bombers - may they rot in their version of hell. How do we stop them? We stop them by beefing up our national security - more people - more technology - more resources - perhaps if we'd had more people on the ground that chap with the curfew tag may not have walked out of a mosque. Spend the £100 billion on tools and defence systems we need, not on a PMs fig leaf.[/p][/quote]Not a silly comment at all and there are plenty who are aware of the ACTUAL threat level, which isn't normally stated in the papers or news. It is, however, freely available and I suggest you look it up. There is a much greater existing threat from Northern Irish based terrorists than is realised by most, the threat is currently Moderate (possible but unlikely) on mainland UK and Severe (highly likely) in NI. There have been a number of fatal attacks and a much larger of attacks that either caused injury or were foiled in NI and it would be extremely rash to completely discount the possibility of an attack on the mainland UK. In terms of terrorism in general the current threat is rated as Substantial, which is defined as there being a 'strong possibility' of a terrorist attack. I'd also point out that this applies across all areas of the mainland UK, not just in London, Manchester or other big cities. When that is taken into consideration the reaction was proportionate. A bin bag may not be a likely or common receptacle for an IED, but a backpack most certainly is, think 7/7 or Boston bombings. sonorbloke

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