Closure of Lendal Bridge ‘a boost for buses’

York Press: Closure of Lendal Bridge ‘a boost for buses’ Closure of Lendal Bridge ‘a boost for buses’

YORK’S biggest bus operator claims the trial closure of Lendal Bridge is helping to improve service reliability and increase passenger numbers.

First said new figures had shown that the number of people using its buses in York had increased by five per cent since August – equivalent to an extra 15,000 customers per week.

It said better service reliability, price reductions and network improvements were the reasons the bus operator was attracting both new customers to try out the bus as well as growing satisfaction for existing customers.

“Customer research highlights the importance of reliability in attracting more people onto buses and First has stressed the importance of the restriction in traffic over Lendal Bridge in improving reliability and encouraging more people to use buses in York,” said a spokesman.

“The Lendal Bridge trial and the clearly defined city highway management strategy has given First the confidence to accelerate its business plan in York, which aims to improve bus services and encourage more passengers on to its buses.”

The company’s comments come after strong criticism of the six-month closure of the bridge to cars between 10.30am and 5pm.

Some businesses claim it has damaged trade and Business Secretary Vince Cable said at the weekend there had been an “extraordinary” lack of consultation beforehand, which could have prevented a number of pitfalls.

Ben Gilligan, managing director for First in York, said: “Our customers are telling us that the reduction in traffic over Lendal Bridge, added to the reduction in fares and the improvements in the way we run our services, has led to more people talking about and then using First bus services.

“This is the start of a new and exciting journey for First in York and shows what can be achieved when we work closely with the local authority and other key partners.”

He added that First had a number of “new and exciting” initiatives planned, including electric buses. It could only do this because it had confidence in the city’s highway management strategy.

Coun Dave Merrett, Cabinet Member for Transport, said First’s news was encouraging and supported the council’s reasoning behind introducing the Lendal Bridge traffic trial, which was to reduce traffic going over the bridge and through the city centre as part of a long-term vision to create an even more attractive and thriving city centre.

“Through this six-month trial and our new York By Bus campaign, we aim to encourage even more people to travel by bus and increase passenger numbers by 18 per cent by 2015,” he said.

“Supported through part of the £3.5 million Government Better Bus Area Fund awarded to the council last year, the campaign will help to deliver real benefits for the city and for every £1 spent in York this project should deliver £4 of benefits.”

He said the campaign was supported by all bus operators in York.

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11:27am Wed 18 Dec 13

inthesticks says...

That`s alright then for those that are on a bus route, so if you live on Boroughbridge Road, Fulford or Haxby and you work in central York it`s a good thing. Except 90% of us cant use a bus because we don`t have buses at all or they are going no where near our workplace or there are kids to drop off at school first before going in the opposite direction to work.
The majority suffer extra traffic in outer York to benefit the minority.
Upgrades were thought necessary to the A1237 back in 2003 before closures were implemented, now traffic is worse and they went ahead regardless.
That`s alright then for those that are on a bus route, so if you live on Boroughbridge Road, Fulford or Haxby and you work in central York it`s a good thing. Except 90% of us cant use a bus because we don`t have buses at all or they are going no where near our workplace or there are kids to drop off at school first before going in the opposite direction to work. The majority suffer extra traffic in outer York to benefit the minority. Upgrades were thought necessary to the A1237 back in 2003 before closures were implemented, now traffic is worse and they went ahead regardless. inthesticks

11:40am Wed 18 Dec 13

mjgyork says...

All of the places mentioned by 'inthesticks' DO have bus services. But in common with many car drivers they have to be able to park right outside where they want to be: shops, work etc. So the majority have to be inconvenienced because of their inability to walk even the slightst distances and/or find alternative routes. Well done Mr. Merret DO NOT GIVE IN!
All of the places mentioned by 'inthesticks' DO have bus services. But in common with many car drivers they have to be able to park right outside where they want to be: shops, work etc. So the majority have to be inconvenienced because of their inability to walk even the slightst distances and/or find alternative routes. Well done Mr. Merret DO NOT GIVE IN! mjgyork

11:47am Wed 18 Dec 13

GotOutOfIt says...

mjgyork wrote:
All of the places mentioned by 'inthesticks' DO have bus services. But in common with many car drivers they have to be able to park right outside where they want to be: shops, work etc. So the majority have to be inconvenienced because of their inability to walk even the slightst distances and/or find alternative routes. Well done Mr. Merret DO NOT GIVE IN!
Inthesticks made it quite clear that those places he mentioned have bus services, so not sure why you need to say 'DO' have bus services? - it sounds like you didnt read it properly.

If the bus servies are now so good, why are there still 3 or 4 #1 busses arriving in Haxby within a 15 minute time frame? then none for the next 45 minutes? The serivce is still cr*p.
[quote][p][bold]mjgyork[/bold] wrote: All of the places mentioned by 'inthesticks' DO have bus services. But in common with many car drivers they have to be able to park right outside where they want to be: shops, work etc. So the majority have to be inconvenienced because of their inability to walk even the slightst distances and/or find alternative routes. Well done Mr. Merret DO NOT GIVE IN![/p][/quote]Inthesticks made it quite clear that those places he mentioned have bus services, so not sure why you need to say 'DO' have bus services? - it sounds like you didnt read it properly. If the bus servies are now so good, why are there still 3 or 4 #1 busses arriving in Haxby within a 15 minute time frame? then none for the next 45 minutes? The serivce is still cr*p. GotOutOfIt

11:51am Wed 18 Dec 13

voiceofnormalpeople says...

convenient how this has been said just after it got national coverage on the news last night.

awaits a new council funded project for first York. who has been promised what?
convenient how this has been said just after it got national coverage on the news last night. awaits a new council funded project for first York. who has been promised what? voiceofnormalpeople

11:54am Wed 18 Dec 13

AGuyFromStrensall says...

mjgyork wrote:
All of the places mentioned by 'inthesticks' DO have bus services. But in common with many car drivers they have to be able to park right outside where they want to be: shops, work etc. So the majority have to be inconvenienced because of their inability to walk even the slightst distances and/or find alternative routes. Well done Mr. Merret DO NOT GIVE IN!
Wow top marks for your inability to read what is written...
Is the slightst (sic) distance for you many miles in your humble opinion then?
[quote][p][bold]mjgyork[/bold] wrote: All of the places mentioned by 'inthesticks' DO have bus services. But in common with many car drivers they have to be able to park right outside where they want to be: shops, work etc. So the majority have to be inconvenienced because of their inability to walk even the slightst distances and/or find alternative routes. Well done Mr. Merret DO NOT GIVE IN![/p][/quote]Wow top marks for your inability to read what is written... Is the slightst (sic) distance for you many miles in your humble opinion then? AGuyFromStrensall

11:55am Wed 18 Dec 13

inthesticks says...

mjgyork wrote:
All of the places mentioned by 'inthesticks' DO have bus services. But in common with many car drivers they have to be able to park right outside where they want to be: shops, work etc. So the majority have to be inconvenienced because of their inability to walk even the slightst distances and/or find alternative routes. Well done Mr. Merret DO NOT GIVE IN!
You read my post wrong. I was saying it`s alright for those that have a bus service and gave some examples.
If you do any travelling on the A1237 you will know what I mean, if you don`t then fine. The few that this benefits will not understand what the rest of us are saying.
What about the many thousands who live in rural areas with no buses at all or very infrequent buses? Thinking of others situations is hard to do and something Mr Merrett who lives within cycling distance of work and who has buses very frequently yards from the front door has failed to do.
[quote][p][bold]mjgyork[/bold] wrote: All of the places mentioned by 'inthesticks' DO have bus services. But in common with many car drivers they have to be able to park right outside where they want to be: shops, work etc. So the majority have to be inconvenienced because of their inability to walk even the slightst distances and/or find alternative routes. Well done Mr. Merret DO NOT GIVE IN![/p][/quote]You read my post wrong. I was saying it`s alright for those that have a bus service and gave some examples. If you do any travelling on the A1237 you will know what I mean, if you don`t then fine. The few that this benefits will not understand what the rest of us are saying. What about the many thousands who live in rural areas with no buses at all or very infrequent buses? Thinking of others situations is hard to do and something Mr Merrett who lives within cycling distance of work and who has buses very frequently yards from the front door has failed to do. inthesticks

11:56am Wed 18 Dec 13

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

Coun Dave Merrett, Cabinet Member for Transport, said First’s news was encouraging and supported the council’s reasoning behind introducing the Lendal Bridge traffic trial, which was to reduce traffic going over the bridge and through the city centre as part of a long-term vision to create an even more attractive and thriving city centre.

Please don't encourage him, you never know what he might come up with next.
[quote]Coun Dave Merrett, Cabinet Member for Transport, said First’s news was encouraging and supported the council’s reasoning behind introducing the Lendal Bridge traffic trial, which was to reduce traffic going over the bridge and through the city centre as part of a long-term vision to create an even more attractive and thriving city centre.[/quote] Please don't encourage him, you never know what he might come up with next. NoNewsIsGoodNews

11:56am Wed 18 Dec 13

Kevin Turvey says...

‘Coun Dave Merrett, Cabinet Member for Transport, said First’s news was encouraging and supported the council’s reasoning behind introducing the Lendal Bridge traffic trial, which was to reduce traffic going over the bridge and through the city centre as part of a long-term vision to create an even more attractive and thriving city centre.’

Attempting to use the PR output of a vested interest that has allegedly gained (First Bus) as a measure of the trial success is not an objective and independent means of measuring that success, it is merely a subjective viewpoint with no actual publically auditable statistics open to interrogation.

To add some weight to my argument that it is not a fair trial in his own Register of interests logged on the council website has the following:
York Quality Bus Partnership Member
North Yorkshire Local transport Body

So Dave, are your comments based on actual fact of an improvement or a subjective viewpoint based upon your personal interests/goals?

Yet again the council and its councillors are attempting to drum out PR material to state the successful outcome of the trail before it is even complete.

This is the second time this has been done by the same councillor!
Last time it was another so called report from another pressure group that he has logged his interest in.

Can we please have some actual scientific output results from the trail only after its completion with independently verifiable objective outcomes using some actual measures taking in account all the variables before the trial is determined a success or failure!
Until then these are merely smoke and mirror tactics and the public are seeing them for that.

Please no more PR output/Propaganda glorifying its success when that is still very much open for healthy public debate – not that the council want any of that. It only strengthens the populace’s idea that you are attempting to push it through with no consultation or care of the voters and council tax payer’s opinions!

You are turning people off from local and national politics and are fuelling the undercurrent of dissent and lack of interest in local and national politics in this country.

You are only damaging your own futures.

Resign now!


To quote Joseph Goebbels the Master of Propaganda

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
‘Coun Dave Merrett, Cabinet Member for Transport, said First’s news was encouraging and supported the council’s reasoning behind introducing the Lendal Bridge traffic trial, which was to reduce traffic going over the bridge and through the city centre as part of a long-term vision to create an even more attractive and thriving city centre.’ Attempting to use the PR output of a vested interest that has allegedly gained (First Bus) as a measure of the trial success is not an objective and independent means of measuring that success, it is merely a subjective viewpoint with no actual publically auditable statistics open to interrogation. To add some weight to my argument that it is not a fair trial in his own Register of interests logged on the council website has the following: York Quality Bus Partnership Member North Yorkshire Local transport Body So Dave, are your comments based on actual fact of an improvement or a subjective viewpoint based upon your personal interests/goals? Yet again the council and its councillors are attempting to drum out PR material to state the successful outcome of the trail before it is even complete. This is the second time this has been done by the same councillor! Last time it was another so called report from another pressure group that he has logged his interest in. Can we please have some actual scientific output results from the trail only after its completion with independently verifiable objective outcomes using some actual measures taking in account all the variables before the trial is determined a success or failure! Until then these are merely smoke and mirror tactics and the public are seeing them for that. Please no more PR output/Propaganda glorifying its success when that is still very much open for healthy public debate – not that the council want any of that. It only strengthens the populace’s idea that you are attempting to push it through with no consultation or care of the voters and council tax payer’s opinions! You are turning people off from local and national politics and are fuelling the undercurrent of dissent and lack of interest in local and national politics in this country. You are only damaging your own futures. Resign now! To quote Joseph Goebbels the Master of Propaganda “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” Kevin Turvey

12:06pm Wed 18 Dec 13

ouseswimmer says...

I think they had a similar increase in users last year once the students and school children went back to term time. There are statistics and there are lies.
I think they had a similar increase in users last year once the students and school children went back to term time. There are statistics and there are lies. ouseswimmer

12:08pm Wed 18 Dec 13

YorkPatrol says...

mjgyork wrote:
All of the places mentioned by 'inthesticks' DO have bus services. But in common with many car drivers they have to be able to park right outside where they want to be: shops, work etc. So the majority have to be inconvenienced because of their inability to walk even the slightst distances and/or find alternative routes. Well done Mr. Merret DO NOT GIVE IN!
When will people get it into their thick skulls that buses and bikes do not suit everyone due to numerous impracticalities - in fact they one suit an extemely small minority

The impact this stupid bridge closure has had on other routes is huge not the mention the environmental issues - Thinking it has been a success based on falsified nonsense and not reviewing the bigger picture is total council misrepresentation
[quote][p][bold]mjgyork[/bold] wrote: All of the places mentioned by 'inthesticks' DO have bus services. But in common with many car drivers they have to be able to park right outside where they want to be: shops, work etc. So the majority have to be inconvenienced because of their inability to walk even the slightst distances and/or find alternative routes. Well done Mr. Merret DO NOT GIVE IN![/p][/quote]When will people get it into their thick skulls that buses and bikes do not suit everyone due to numerous impracticalities - in fact they one suit an extemely small minority The impact this stupid bridge closure has had on other routes is huge not the mention the environmental issues - Thinking it has been a success based on falsified nonsense and not reviewing the bigger picture is total council misrepresentation YorkPatrol

12:09pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Overproof says...

A 5% increase in bus users since August.

Conveniently forgetting to mention the 15,000 students that arrived in York in September for the start of term.
A 5% increase in bus users since August. Conveniently forgetting to mention the 15,000 students that arrived in York in September for the start of term. Overproof

12:11pm Wed 18 Dec 13

roskoboskovic says...

the bridge closure has caused havoc around prices lane,skeldergate bridge and barbican road-foss islands road yet merrett appears to be in denial.the fact that a few buses move slightly faster is irrelevant when compared with the disruption.
the bridge closure has caused havoc around prices lane,skeldergate bridge and barbican road-foss islands road yet merrett appears to be in denial.the fact that a few buses move slightly faster is irrelevant when compared with the disruption. roskoboskovic

12:11pm Wed 18 Dec 13

CHISSY1 says...

Goodness me what are people going to talk about when this bridge saga comes to an end.A hobby might be an idea.
Goodness me what are people going to talk about when this bridge saga comes to an end.A hobby might be an idea. CHISSY1

12:26pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Dave Ruddock says...

I love it , clear the bridge so busses can cross only to stop change drivers wastre 5 minutes and station Rise turns into a mini bus station or on the other side , Busses pile up on St Leanords. Busses still run at therre pace not timetables that yet still say 4 an hour or similar, where as before !st took over there where times.. As forf this Bridge, well it took 1000 years to get it, and merrett trying to close it in 6 months, more like Minister for NON TRANSPORT.. Tghis is York 2000 years plus old, not a Brand New City, Travel Merret !st Bus Company.....
I love it , clear the bridge so busses can cross only to stop change drivers wastre 5 minutes and station Rise turns into a mini bus station or on the other side , Busses pile up on St Leanords. Busses still run at therre pace not timetables that yet still say 4 an hour or similar, where as before !st took over there where times.. As forf this Bridge, well it took 1000 years to get it, and merrett trying to close it in 6 months, more like Minister for NON TRANSPORT.. Tghis is York 2000 years plus old, not a Brand New City, Travel Merret !st Bus Company..... Dave Ruddock

12:33pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Junior123 says...

The buses still run late! What world do they live in ? and where do they get their facts from?
Total load of rubbish and this is from someone who has to use the buses unfortunately.
The buses still run late! What world do they live in ? and where do they get their facts from? Total load of rubbish and this is from someone who has to use the buses unfortunately. Junior123

12:34pm Wed 18 Dec 13

JHardacre says...

How do they know how much benefit is attributable to the bridge closure and how much to the "...reduction in fares and the improvements in the way we run our services..."?

Also won't passenger numbers increase at this time of year anyway in the run up to Christmas?

The true test of whether the buses are running any quicker is when they amend the timetable to reflect the shorter journey times.
How do they know how much benefit is attributable to the bridge closure and how much to the "...reduction in fares and the improvements in the way we run our services..."? Also won't passenger numbers increase at this time of year anyway in the run up to Christmas? The true test of whether the buses are running any quicker is when they amend the timetable to reflect the shorter journey times. JHardacre

12:36pm Wed 18 Dec 13

yorkonafork says...

Since August, as mentioned, there's been a big influx of students and of course the Christmas shopping periods for locals and tourists. They've also pointed out themselves that a lot of work has gone into the network improvements, marketing and pricing (which is finally resembling 'reasonable' if you get a weekly or monthly pass, or even these 'hop on' prices).
It's hard to believe that the lendal Bridge closure is the major reason for such an up-turn. It's only another 'snippet' of positivity from the closure without actually looking at the bigger picture.
Since August, as mentioned, there's been a big influx of students and of course the Christmas shopping periods for locals and tourists. They've also pointed out themselves that a lot of work has gone into the network improvements, marketing and pricing (which is finally resembling 'reasonable' if you get a weekly or monthly pass, or even these 'hop on' prices). It's hard to believe that the lendal Bridge closure is the major reason for such an up-turn. It's only another 'snippet' of positivity from the closure without actually looking at the bigger picture. yorkonafork

12:44pm Wed 18 Dec 13

TheTruthHurts says...

ouseswimmer wrote:
I think they had a similar increase in users last year once the students and school children went back to term time. There are statistics and there are lies.
And surely the weather has to play a part to.

First should at least show us the figures for at least the last 5 years to see if there is a trend.
[quote][p][bold]ouseswimmer[/bold] wrote: I think they had a similar increase in users last year once the students and school children went back to term time. There are statistics and there are lies.[/p][/quote]And surely the weather has to play a part to. First should at least show us the figures for at least the last 5 years to see if there is a trend. TheTruthHurts

12:57pm Wed 18 Dec 13

brownsoundz says...

sick of being lied to and figures getting blatantly massaged to suit the councils alternative motives. The council and first york have scratched each others backs for years, of course first are going to say its a success.
the press should stop stiring the issue
sick of being lied to and figures getting blatantly massaged to suit the councils alternative motives. The council and first york have scratched each others backs for years, of course first are going to say its a success. the press should stop stiring the issue brownsoundz

1:00pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Devils_advocate says...

On Look North last night Mr. Merrett clearly stated that the closure was a 'trial' and intimated that there would be consultation following the trial. So Mr. Merrett, can you please explain exactly how that consultation will take place and who will be consulted?
On Look North last night Mr. Merrett clearly stated that the closure was a 'trial' and intimated that there would be consultation following the trial. So Mr. Merrett, can you please explain exactly how that consultation will take place and who will be consulted? Devils_advocate

1:02pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Buzzz Light-year says...

Ben Gilligan, managing director for First in York, said: “Our customers are telling us that the reduction in traffic over Lendal Bridge, added to the reduction in fares and the improvements in the way we run our services, has led to more people talking about and then using First bus services.

To misquote Mandy Rice-Davies - "Well he would say that wouldn't he"
[quote]Ben Gilligan, managing director for First in York, said: “Our customers are telling us that the reduction in traffic over Lendal Bridge, added to the reduction in fares and the improvements in the way we run our services, has led to more people talking about and then using First bus services.[/quote] To misquote Mandy Rice-Davies - "Well he would say that wouldn't he" Buzzz Light-year

1:06pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Fulfordian says...

TheTruthHurts wrote:
ouseswimmer wrote: I think they had a similar increase in users last year once the students and school children went back to term time. There are statistics and there are lies.
And surely the weather has to play a part to. First should at least show us the figures for at least the last 5 years to see if there is a trend.
But let's be honest, I don't see that happening. Despite all the 'success' claims by parties who want this closure to succeed (for whatever reason), there hasn't been one shred of evidence provided to illustrate what 'success' is or how it is being measured.

Where are the benchmark figures for traffic flows in key areas from before the closure? Were they taken? If not, how on earth is it possible to compare before and after? What percentage change would represent success? What is the criteria? None of this has been offered by either CoYC or First York. There is no credibility attached to these claims whatsoever - it all seems very smokeand mirrors to me.

As noted above, since First has been the primary bus operator in York for several years, there should be a wealth of passenger data available for this time to prove that the closure of Lendal Bridge is having a positive effect on their services. But then again, how many services actually cross the bridge and how many that don't will be subject to the knock-on delays that the closure brings?

Until somebody starts producing hard facts and data relating to the closure, I can not see how any party to it can claim 'success'.
[quote][p][bold]TheTruthHurts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ouseswimmer[/bold] wrote: I think they had a similar increase in users last year once the students and school children went back to term time. There are statistics and there are lies.[/p][/quote]And surely the weather has to play a part to. First should at least show us the figures for at least the last 5 years to see if there is a trend.[/p][/quote]But let's be honest, I don't see that happening. Despite all the 'success' claims by parties who want this closure to succeed (for whatever reason), there hasn't been one shred of evidence provided to illustrate what 'success' is or how it is being measured. Where are the benchmark figures for traffic flows in key areas from before the closure? Were they taken? If not, how on earth is it possible to compare before and after? What percentage change would represent success? What is the criteria? None of this has been offered by either CoYC or First York. There is no credibility attached to these claims whatsoever - it all seems very smokeand mirrors to me. As noted above, since First has been the primary bus operator in York for several years, there should be a wealth of passenger data available for this time to prove that the closure of Lendal Bridge is having a positive effect on their services. But then again, how many services actually cross the bridge and how many that don't will be subject to the knock-on delays that the closure brings? Until somebody starts producing hard facts and data relating to the closure, I can not see how any party to it can claim 'success'. Fulfordian

1:28pm Wed 18 Dec 13

LibDem says...

The Press must be a little embarrassed to have to publish such a story without any supporting figures.

2012/13 saw a big drop in the number of bus passengers in York. If the - generally better - new routes introduced in September have clawed back some of those lost passengers then that is good for everyone.

However what we all want to see are numbers. (i.e. the number of passengers carried over the last 3 months this year compared to last year and broken down between those services that cross Lendal Bridge and those that don't).

Lets also see the trends for the hours of the day when Lendal Bridge is open to all traffic.

Publish reliability stats by route. We know that 1 in 5 buses in York were late when last checked by government. What is the current figure?

The Council promised to update its web site each month giving objective data.

We are still waiting for the November figures to appear.

Altogether highly unsatisfactory.
The Press must be a little embarrassed to have to publish such a story without any supporting figures. 2012/13 saw a big drop in the number of bus passengers in York. If the - generally better - new routes introduced in September have clawed back some of those lost passengers then that is good for everyone. However what we all want to see are numbers. (i.e. the number of passengers carried over the last 3 months this year compared to last year and broken down between those services that cross Lendal Bridge and those that don't). Lets also see the trends for the hours of the day when Lendal Bridge is open to all traffic. Publish reliability stats by route. We know that 1 in 5 buses in York were late when last checked by government. What is the current figure? The Council promised to update its web site each month giving objective data. We are still waiting for the November figures to appear. Altogether highly unsatisfactory. LibDem

1:44pm Wed 18 Dec 13

MrsHoney says...

OK if you happen to use a bus that goes over Lendal Bridge, what about all the other busses?! What they need to do is sort out the traffic problem near the Mecca Bingo place on Fishergate. Every night it's appalling. We got the bus into town last week for our work xmas dinner and it took 30 mins for what should be a 10 min journey if that, we should've walked (and might have had it not been pouring down). Every time I have to use public transport it discourages me from using it again.
OK if you happen to use a bus that goes over Lendal Bridge, what about all the other busses?! What they need to do is sort out the traffic problem near the Mecca Bingo place on Fishergate. Every night it's appalling. We got the bus into town last week for our work xmas dinner and it took 30 mins for what should be a 10 min journey if that, we should've walked (and might have had it not been pouring down). Every time I have to use public transport it discourages me from using it again. MrsHoney

1:55pm Wed 18 Dec 13

bolero says...

So when will the bus timetables be amended to reflect this massive improvement to services? When will the now unnecessary waiting times at Station Rise/Railway station and various termini be abolished? The trial period is only half way through but yet it looks as though the decision has already been taken to continue with this fiasco. Consultation? You have to be joking.
So when will the bus timetables be amended to reflect this massive improvement to services? When will the now unnecessary waiting times at Station Rise/Railway station and various termini be abolished? The trial period is only half way through but yet it looks as though the decision has already been taken to continue with this fiasco. Consultation? You have to be joking. bolero

2:09pm Wed 18 Dec 13

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Totally agree with those that say since Sept 15,000 students plus schools colledges open will influence the number. Also agree that we need to see clear evidence (as if) of routes and seasonal change year on year.

Counc Merrett/First have made the claim, now show us verifiable evidence to support what you want us to believe.
Totally agree with those that say since Sept 15,000 students plus schools colledges open will influence the number. Also agree that we need to see clear evidence (as if) of routes and seasonal change year on year. Counc Merrett/First have made the claim, now show us verifiable evidence to support what you want us to believe. YOUWILLDOASISAY

2:20pm Wed 18 Dec 13

greenmonkey says...

MrsHoney wrote:
OK if you happen to use a bus that goes over Lendal Bridge, what about all the other busses?! What they need to do is sort out the traffic problem near the Mecca Bingo place on Fishergate. Every night it's appalling. We got the bus into town last week for our work xmas dinner and it took 30 mins for what should be a 10 min journey if that, we should've walked (and might have had it not been pouring down). Every time I have to use public transport it discourages me from using it again.
There is simply too much traffic trying to use limited roadspace, and no bus priority to speak of on Fulford Rd. To tackle the problem identified by Mrs Honey either requires lights at Fishergate or a peak time bus only section by the Fishergate shops, with other traffic being routed along Cemetery Rd as per the diversion when the sewer was dug up. That cuts out the merging of two flows outbound at the Cemetery Rd junction, which combined with traffic from Hospital Fields and Fulford School/ the University makes the whole road so slow on an evening. Another issue that needs sorting is to get the Highways Agency to signpost 'York Centre' off the A64 at Copmanthorpe onto Tadcaster Rd rather than telling visitors to continue round the ring road to the A 19 junction!
[quote][p][bold]MrsHoney[/bold] wrote: OK if you happen to use a bus that goes over Lendal Bridge, what about all the other busses?! What they need to do is sort out the traffic problem near the Mecca Bingo place on Fishergate. Every night it's appalling. We got the bus into town last week for our work xmas dinner and it took 30 mins for what should be a 10 min journey if that, we should've walked (and might have had it not been pouring down). Every time I have to use public transport it discourages me from using it again.[/p][/quote]There is simply too much traffic trying to use limited roadspace, and no bus priority to speak of on Fulford Rd. To tackle the problem identified by Mrs Honey either requires lights at Fishergate or a peak time bus only section by the Fishergate shops, with other traffic being routed along Cemetery Rd as per the diversion when the sewer was dug up. That cuts out the merging of two flows outbound at the Cemetery Rd junction, which combined with traffic from Hospital Fields and Fulford School/ the University makes the whole road so slow on an evening. Another issue that needs sorting is to get the Highways Agency to signpost 'York Centre' off the A64 at Copmanthorpe onto Tadcaster Rd rather than telling visitors to continue round the ring road to the A 19 junction! greenmonkey

2:36pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Theendoftheworld says...

I'll make 2 predictions with absolute confidence

1. The bridge closure will be made permanent

2. Labour will suffer massive losses in the next local election
I'll make 2 predictions with absolute confidence 1. The bridge closure will be made permanent 2. Labour will suffer massive losses in the next local election Theendoftheworld

2:53pm Wed 18 Dec 13

AGuyFromStrensall says...

Theendoftheworld wrote:
I'll make 2 predictions with absolute confidence

1. The bridge closure will be made permanent

2. Labour will suffer massive losses in the next local election
3. The ringleaders of this debacle will be put in safe seats and still be able to exert their influence in the future
[quote][p][bold]Theendoftheworld[/bold] wrote: I'll make 2 predictions with absolute confidence 1. The bridge closure will be made permanent 2. Labour will suffer massive losses in the next local election[/p][/quote]3. The ringleaders of this debacle will be put in safe seats and still be able to exert their influence in the future AGuyFromStrensall

3:06pm Wed 18 Dec 13

itsthetruth says...

Stupid stupid Labour council, the bus rate increase is because of all these flipping students, I use the bus but happily acknowledge that people need cars because bus services are NOT flexible and most likely never will be.
Stupid stupid Labour council, the bus rate increase is because of all these flipping students, I use the bus but happily acknowledge that people need cars because bus services are NOT flexible and most likely never will be. itsthetruth

3:24pm Wed 18 Dec 13

YorkCityLuke says...

I like Lendal Bridge being closed, because it is quieter for me to cycle across (and I don't drive). However, Lendal Bridge is not my personal property and it's usage should not merely benefit me - or our rather unreliable bus service. It is a resource that should be available to all York's citizens, including motorists. I agree with any and all steps to make it easier to cycle or use busses in the city, but they should not be implemented in a way that causes major problems for other road users.
I like Lendal Bridge being closed, because it is quieter for me to cycle across (and I don't drive). However, Lendal Bridge is not my personal property and it's usage should not merely benefit me - or our rather unreliable bus service. It is a resource that should be available to all York's citizens, including motorists. I agree with any and all steps to make it easier to cycle or use busses in the city, but they should not be implemented in a way that causes major problems for other road users. YorkCityLuke

3:37pm Wed 18 Dec 13

r3xifer0us says...

I live in central(ish) York and work in Haxby. I get the bus every weekday and it's been far worse since the closure. It takes the best part of an hour to get home now when it used to be 45 minutes tops
I live in central(ish) York and work in Haxby. I get the bus every weekday and it's been far worse since the closure. It takes the best part of an hour to get home now when it used to be 45 minutes tops r3xifer0us

3:54pm Wed 18 Dec 13

tobefair says...

Many years ago in the mists of history a river was in impassable, insurmountable object. It kept tribes apart and stifled travel and trade
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Then man invented and built bridges and lo and behold tribes could intermingle, travel to distant lands and trade with one another and the world prospered.

And then along came City of York council..........And they call it progress?
Many years ago in the mists of history a river was in impassable, insurmountable object. It kept tribes apart and stifled travel and trade . Then man invented and built bridges and lo and behold tribes could intermingle, travel to distant lands and trade with one another and the world prospered. And then along came City of York council..........And they call it progress? tobefair

3:56pm Wed 18 Dec 13

howmanymoretimes says...

At lunchtime today I waited outside Front Street Post Office for a No1. A 5A came along and the driver caused an obstruction whilst she filled in time eating a packet of crisps. A two way road had now become one way and my No. 1 bus was caught up in that queue. Returning from Exhibition Square I saw two No. 1 buses following each other through the lights.I expected a long wait, but no, another one turned up a couple of minutes later.

I emailed the Council to ask why they were saying that the service had improved when it clearly hasn't, that the buses are often filling in time now, so instead of being late they are now early. Part of their response was, and I quote, "It may be that, if the trial becomes permanent, First would be able to adjust their timetables so that there isn’t the ‘waiting time’ in the future. This will be considered by CYC / bus operators on detailed examination of the data."

So the trial is a failure as far as the buses go (Oh, they did say that park and ride was better as they don't run to a timetable) but never mind once the trial is permanent it will be better.
At lunchtime today I waited outside Front Street Post Office for a No1. A 5A came along and the driver caused an obstruction whilst she filled in time eating a packet of crisps. A two way road had now become one way and my No. 1 bus was caught up in that queue. Returning from Exhibition Square I saw two No. 1 buses following each other through the lights.I expected a long wait, but no, another one turned up a couple of minutes later. I emailed the Council to ask why they were saying that the service had improved when it clearly hasn't, that the buses are often filling in time now, so instead of being late they are now early. Part of their response was, and I quote, "It may be that, if the trial becomes permanent, First would be able to adjust their timetables so that there isn’t the ‘waiting time’ in the future. This will be considered by CYC / bus operators on detailed examination of the data." So the trial is a failure as far as the buses go (Oh, they did say that park and ride was better as they don't run to a timetable) but never mind once the trial is permanent it will be better. howmanymoretimes

3:58pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Fulfordian says...

greenmonkey wrote:
MrsHoney wrote:
OK if you happen to use a bus that goes over Lendal Bridge, what about all the other busses?! What they need to do is sort out the traffic problem near the Mecca Bingo place on Fishergate. Every night it's appalling. We got the bus into town last week for our work xmas dinner and it took 30 mins for what should be a 10 min journey if that, we should've walked (and might have had it not been pouring down). Every time I have to use public transport it discourages me from using it again.
There is simply too much traffic trying to use limited roadspace, and no bus priority to speak of on Fulford Rd. To tackle the problem identified by Mrs Honey either requires lights at Fishergate or a peak time bus only section by the Fishergate shops, with other traffic being routed along Cemetery Rd as per the diversion when the sewer was dug up. That cuts out the merging of two flows outbound at the Cemetery Rd junction, which combined with traffic from Hospital Fields and Fulford School/ the University makes the whole road so slow on an evening. Another issue that needs sorting is to get the Highways Agency to signpost 'York Centre' off the A64 at Copmanthorpe onto Tadcaster Rd rather than telling visitors to continue round the ring road to the A 19 junction!
But greenmonkey - despite your thoughts on the delays experienced by MrsHoney (which I believe - and as you have acknowledged same, you must also believe), both the Council and First are claiming that the bridge closure is a 'boost for buses'. Now come on, do you *really* believe that on a city-wide basis? There was always going to be a knock-on effect and claiming the immediate vicinity of Lendal Bridge is better without taking into account the disruption caused by the closure elsewhere is both selective and naive in the extreme - plus there is still NO data to support the success claims
[quote][p][bold]greenmonkey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsHoney[/bold] wrote: OK if you happen to use a bus that goes over Lendal Bridge, what about all the other busses?! What they need to do is sort out the traffic problem near the Mecca Bingo place on Fishergate. Every night it's appalling. We got the bus into town last week for our work xmas dinner and it took 30 mins for what should be a 10 min journey if that, we should've walked (and might have had it not been pouring down). Every time I have to use public transport it discourages me from using it again.[/p][/quote]There is simply too much traffic trying to use limited roadspace, and no bus priority to speak of on Fulford Rd. To tackle the problem identified by Mrs Honey either requires lights at Fishergate or a peak time bus only section by the Fishergate shops, with other traffic being routed along Cemetery Rd as per the diversion when the sewer was dug up. That cuts out the merging of two flows outbound at the Cemetery Rd junction, which combined with traffic from Hospital Fields and Fulford School/ the University makes the whole road so slow on an evening. Another issue that needs sorting is to get the Highways Agency to signpost 'York Centre' off the A64 at Copmanthorpe onto Tadcaster Rd rather than telling visitors to continue round the ring road to the A 19 junction![/p][/quote]But greenmonkey - despite your thoughts on the delays experienced by MrsHoney (which I believe - and as you have acknowledged same, you must also believe), both the Council and First are claiming that the bridge closure is a 'boost for buses'. Now come on, do you *really* believe that on a city-wide basis? There was always going to be a knock-on effect and claiming the immediate vicinity of Lendal Bridge is better without taking into account the disruption caused by the closure elsewhere is both selective and naive in the extreme - plus there is still NO data to support the success claims Fulfordian

4:14pm Wed 18 Dec 13

AnotherPointofView says...

greenmonkey wrote:
MrsHoney wrote: OK if you happen to use a bus that goes over Lendal Bridge, what about all the other busses?! What they need to do is sort out the traffic problem near the Mecca Bingo place on Fishergate. Every night it's appalling. We got the bus into town last week for our work xmas dinner and it took 30 mins for what should be a 10 min journey if that, we should've walked (and might have had it not been pouring down). Every time I have to use public transport it discourages me from using it again.
There is simply too much traffic trying to use limited roadspace, and no bus priority to speak of on Fulford Rd. To tackle the problem identified by Mrs Honey either requires lights at Fishergate or a peak time bus only section by the Fishergate shops, with other traffic being routed along Cemetery Rd as per the diversion when the sewer was dug up. That cuts out the merging of two flows outbound at the Cemetery Rd junction, which combined with traffic from Hospital Fields and Fulford School/ the University makes the whole road so slow on an evening. Another issue that needs sorting is to get the Highways Agency to signpost 'York Centre' off the A64 at Copmanthorpe onto Tadcaster Rd rather than telling visitors to continue round the ring road to the A 19 junction!
Greenmonkey - Is the reason you want traffic to go via Tadcaster Road and not Fulford Road because you live on Broadway West, just off Fulford Road?

After all, Tadcaster Road gets just as congested, morning and night like Fulford Road.
[quote][p][bold]greenmonkey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsHoney[/bold] wrote: OK if you happen to use a bus that goes over Lendal Bridge, what about all the other busses?! What they need to do is sort out the traffic problem near the Mecca Bingo place on Fishergate. Every night it's appalling. We got the bus into town last week for our work xmas dinner and it took 30 mins for what should be a 10 min journey if that, we should've walked (and might have had it not been pouring down). Every time I have to use public transport it discourages me from using it again.[/p][/quote]There is simply too much traffic trying to use limited roadspace, and no bus priority to speak of on Fulford Rd. To tackle the problem identified by Mrs Honey either requires lights at Fishergate or a peak time bus only section by the Fishergate shops, with other traffic being routed along Cemetery Rd as per the diversion when the sewer was dug up. That cuts out the merging of two flows outbound at the Cemetery Rd junction, which combined with traffic from Hospital Fields and Fulford School/ the University makes the whole road so slow on an evening. Another issue that needs sorting is to get the Highways Agency to signpost 'York Centre' off the A64 at Copmanthorpe onto Tadcaster Rd rather than telling visitors to continue round the ring road to the A 19 junction![/p][/quote]Greenmonkey - Is the reason you want traffic to go via Tadcaster Road and not Fulford Road because you live on Broadway West, just off Fulford Road? After all, Tadcaster Road gets just as congested, morning and night like Fulford Road. AnotherPointofView

4:26pm Wed 18 Dec 13

CHISSY1 says...

And on.
And on. CHISSY1

4:31pm Wed 18 Dec 13

AGuyFromStrensall says...

CHISSY1 wrote:
And on.
So you keep posting on how people keep coming on these stories to post.

Except they make useful points and you aren't.

Who looks more daft given that thinking do we think?
[quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: And on.[/p][/quote]So you keep posting on how people keep coming on these stories to post. Except they make useful points and you aren't. Who looks more daft given that thinking do we think? AGuyFromStrensall

4:32pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Diogenes2 says...

Merrett is, at best, is a propagandist for Lendal Bridge closure and the bus company. At worst, he is council lobbyist for the bus company. His argument is full of holes, his logic is faulty.
Come on, Merrett, come clean. How much does a lobbyist get annually?
Merrett is, at best, is a propagandist for Lendal Bridge closure and the bus company. At worst, he is council lobbyist for the bus company. His argument is full of holes, his logic is faulty. Come on, Merrett, come clean. How much does a lobbyist get annually? Diogenes2

4:37pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Diogenes2 says...

NoNewsIsGoodNews wrote:
Coun Dave Merrett, Cabinet Member for Transport, said First’s news was encouraging and supported the council’s reasoning behind introducing the Lendal Bridge traffic trial, which was to reduce traffic going over the bridge and through the city centre as part of a long-term vision to create an even more attractive and thriving city centre.

Please don't encourage him, you never know what he might come up with next.
Merrett: your advisors, paid for by the taxpayers, a fools. Earlier this year, those fools said that the bridge was closed due to an increase of pollution.
Merrett, fire your "advisors" NOW, before you and the Labour lot in the Guildhall lose the next local election by a landside.
[quote][p][bold]NoNewsIsGoodNews[/bold] wrote: [quote]Coun Dave Merrett, Cabinet Member for Transport, said First’s news was encouraging and supported the council’s reasoning behind introducing the Lendal Bridge traffic trial, which was to reduce traffic going over the bridge and through the city centre as part of a long-term vision to create an even more attractive and thriving city centre.[/quote] Please don't encourage him, you never know what he might come up with next.[/p][/quote]Merrett: your advisors, paid for by the taxpayers, a fools. Earlier this year, those fools said that the bridge was closed due to an increase of pollution. Merrett, fire your "advisors" NOW, before you and the Labour lot in the Guildhall lose the next local election by a landside. Diogenes2

4:38pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Diogenes2 says...

Merrett is, at best, is a propagandist for Lendal Bridge closure and the bus company. At worst, he is council lobbyist for the bus company. His argument is full of holes, his logic is faulty.
Come on, Merrett, come clean. How much does a lobbyist get annually?
Merrett is, at best, is a propagandist for Lendal Bridge closure and the bus company. At worst, he is council lobbyist for the bus company. His argument is full of holes, his logic is faulty. Come on, Merrett, come clean. How much does a lobbyist get annually? Diogenes2

4:39pm Wed 18 Dec 13

AnotherPointofView says...

CHISSY1 wrote:
And on.
For someone coming from Selby, I can see that this may not of great interest to you.

Then don't bother to read or comment on the article, further since this is the second time you have commented why do bother coming back?

The closure of the bridge costs me a lot of time, money and business. That's why I criticise the council.
[quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: And on.[/p][/quote]For someone coming from Selby, I can see that this may not of great interest to you. Then don't bother to read or comment on the article, further since this is the second time you have commented why do bother coming back? The closure of the bridge costs me a lot of time, money and business. That's why I criticise the council. AnotherPointofView

4:43pm Wed 18 Dec 13

CHISSY1 says...

AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
CHISSY1 wrote:
And on.
So you keep posting on how people keep coming on these stories to post.

Except they make useful points and you aren't.

Who looks more daft given that thinking do we think?
Useful points,dont think so.No matter what anyone says,it wont change anything.
[quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: And on.[/p][/quote]So you keep posting on how people keep coming on these stories to post. Except they make useful points and you aren't. Who looks more daft given that thinking do we think?[/p][/quote]Useful points,dont think so.No matter what anyone says,it wont change anything. CHISSY1

4:47pm Wed 18 Dec 13

AGuyFromStrensall says...

CHISSY1 wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
CHISSY1 wrote:
And on.
So you keep posting on how people keep coming on these stories to post.

Except they make useful points and you aren't.

Who looks more daft given that thinking do we think?
Useful points,dont think so.No matter what anyone says,it wont change anything.
Hence "comments", rather than "Future council plans".

But if your comments are that people who post here need to get out more then people can draw their own conclusions about yourself...
[quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: And on.[/p][/quote]So you keep posting on how people keep coming on these stories to post. Except they make useful points and you aren't. Who looks more daft given that thinking do we think?[/p][/quote]Useful points,dont think so.No matter what anyone says,it wont change anything.[/p][/quote]Hence "comments", rather than "Future council plans". But if your comments are that people who post here need to get out more then people can draw their own conclusions about yourself... AGuyFromStrensall

4:53pm Wed 18 Dec 13

wallman says...

Devils_advocate wrote:
On Look North last night Mr. Merrett clearly stated that the closure was a 'trial' and intimated that there would be consultation following the trial. So Mr. Merrett, can you please explain exactly how that consultation will take place and who will be consulted?
He will look in a mirror say did it work reply yes consultation done, trial passed.
[quote][p][bold]Devils_advocate[/bold] wrote: On Look North last night Mr. Merrett clearly stated that the closure was a 'trial' and intimated that there would be consultation following the trial. So Mr. Merrett, can you please explain exactly how that consultation will take place and who will be consulted?[/p][/quote]He will look in a mirror say did it work reply yes consultation done, trial passed. wallman

5:16pm Wed 18 Dec 13

CHISSY1 says...

AnotherPointofView wrote:
CHISSY1 wrote:
And on.
For someone coming from Selby, I can see that this may not of great interest to you.

Then don't bother to read or comment on the article, further since this is the second time you have commented why do bother coming back?

The closure of the bridge costs me a lot of time, money and business. That's why I criticise the council.
I do not come from Selby,get your facts right please.
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: And on.[/p][/quote]For someone coming from Selby, I can see that this may not of great interest to you. Then don't bother to read or comment on the article, further since this is the second time you have commented why do bother coming back? The closure of the bridge costs me a lot of time, money and business. That's why I criticise the council.[/p][/quote]I do not come from Selby,get your facts right please. CHISSY1

5:17pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Caecilius says...

roskoboskovic wrote:
the bridge closure has caused havoc around prices lane,skeldergate bridge and barbican road-foss islands road yet merrett appears to be in denial.the fact that a few buses move slightly faster is irrelevant when compared with the disruption.
I cross Skeldergate Bridge late every afternoon. There's zero difference between the amount of traffic now and the amount there was on it before Lendal Bridge was closed: there's no trace of the city centre gridlock that the car lobby was predicting. This is of a piece with those city centre traders, like the gentleman on 'Look North' last night, who loudly blame a reduction in turnover on the closure without having a shred of evidence. The city centre is packed (figures show footfall has actually increased);their shops are in a pedestrianized area anyway, and people who insist on driving into York can still use the same car parks they did before, with exactly the same distance to walk from the car park to the shop. Interesting that the other businessman interviewed, though he felt obliged to make supportive noises, admitted that his sales hadn't fallen at all.

As for the congestion elsewhere, it was there before and it'll be there after the end of the trial, whether the closure is made permanent (which I hope it is) or not. It'll always be there, unless and until car use declines. If it doesn't decline, then people who use cars should be the ones who take the consequences, and decent provision should be made for those who use other means of travel. It's only fair.
[quote][p][bold]roskoboskovic[/bold] wrote: the bridge closure has caused havoc around prices lane,skeldergate bridge and barbican road-foss islands road yet merrett appears to be in denial.the fact that a few buses move slightly faster is irrelevant when compared with the disruption.[/p][/quote]I cross Skeldergate Bridge late every afternoon. There's zero difference between the amount of traffic now and the amount there was on it before Lendal Bridge was closed: there's no trace of the city centre gridlock that the car lobby was predicting. This is of a piece with those city centre traders, like the gentleman on 'Look North' last night, who loudly blame a reduction in turnover on the closure without having a shred of evidence. The city centre is packed (figures show footfall has actually increased);their shops are in a pedestrianized area anyway, and people who insist on driving into York can still use the same car parks they did before, with exactly the same distance to walk from the car park to the shop. Interesting that the other businessman interviewed, though he felt obliged to make supportive noises, admitted that his sales hadn't fallen at all. As for the congestion elsewhere, it was there before and it'll be there after the end of the trial, whether the closure is made permanent (which I hope it is) or not. It'll always be there, unless and until car use declines. If it doesn't decline, then people who use cars should be the ones who take the consequences, and decent provision should be made for those who use other means of travel. It's only fair. Caecilius

5:18pm Wed 18 Dec 13

oldgoat says...

Once you've removed the buses that don't use Lendal Bridge, removed the normal seasonal uptake, allowed for the longer term trends of numbers, and the suddenly strangely improved fares, what real difference ?
Once you've removed the buses that don't use Lendal Bridge, removed the normal seasonal uptake, allowed for the longer term trends of numbers, and the suddenly strangely improved fares, what real difference ? oldgoat

5:19pm Wed 18 Dec 13

CHISSY1 says...

AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
CHISSY1 wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
CHISSY1 wrote:
And on.
So you keep posting on how people keep coming on these stories to post.

Except they make useful points and you aren't.

Who looks more daft given that thinking do we think?
Useful points,dont think so.No matter what anyone says,it wont change anything.
Hence "comments", rather than "Future council plans".

But if your comments are that people who post here need to get out more then people can draw their own conclusions about yourself...
Freedom of speech.
[quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: And on.[/p][/quote]So you keep posting on how people keep coming on these stories to post. Except they make useful points and you aren't. Who looks more daft given that thinking do we think?[/p][/quote]Useful points,dont think so.No matter what anyone says,it wont change anything.[/p][/quote]Hence "comments", rather than "Future council plans". But if your comments are that people who post here need to get out more then people can draw their own conclusions about yourself...[/p][/quote]Freedom of speech. CHISSY1

5:21pm Wed 18 Dec 13

AnotherPointofView says...

CHISSY1 wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
CHISSY1 wrote: And on.
For someone coming from Selby, I can see that this may not of great interest to you. Then don't bother to read or comment on the article, further since this is the second time you have commented why do bother coming back? The closure of the bridge costs me a lot of time, money and business. That's why I criticise the council.
I do not come from Selby,get your facts right please.
You're still coming back to an article that doesn't interest you.... Your name used to say Chissy1, Selby didn't it?
[quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: And on.[/p][/quote]For someone coming from Selby, I can see that this may not of great interest to you. Then don't bother to read or comment on the article, further since this is the second time you have commented why do bother coming back? The closure of the bridge costs me a lot of time, money and business. That's why I criticise the council.[/p][/quote]I do not come from Selby,get your facts right please.[/p][/quote]You're still coming back to an article that doesn't interest you.... Your name used to say Chissy1, Selby didn't it? AnotherPointofView

5:21pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

I can't imagine First would ever say that buses-only Lendal Bridge would be anything else than a boost for buses. After all, if everyone could use it, it would be a boost for everyone - surely?
I can't imagine First would ever say that buses-only Lendal Bridge would be anything else than a boost for buses. After all, if everyone could use it, it would be a boost for everyone - surely? Ignatius Lumpopo

5:25pm Wed 18 Dec 13

AlanAtClifton says...

Lendal Bridge closure might be great for the bus companies - but what about the poor car drivers (doing a journey not covered by a bus route) and stuck in the extra traffic on Water End / Clifton Bridge or Lord Mayors Walk and Foss Island Road caused by the closure of Lendal Bridge.

No publicity is being given to the knock-on effects the Lendal Bridge closure is having on increased traffic in Outer York i.e. traffic diverted to the other river crossings.
Lendal Bridge closure might be great for the bus companies - but what about the poor car drivers (doing a journey not covered by a bus route) and stuck in the extra traffic on Water End / Clifton Bridge or Lord Mayors Walk and Foss Island Road caused by the closure of Lendal Bridge. No publicity is being given to the knock-on effects the Lendal Bridge closure is having on increased traffic in Outer York i.e. traffic diverted to the other river crossings. AlanAtClifton

5:28pm Wed 18 Dec 13

nowthen says...

I don't believe a word that Merrett or First Buses say. They're a couple of spin jockeys.
I don't believe a word that Merrett or First Buses say. They're a couple of spin jockeys. nowthen

5:34pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Caecilius says...

inthesticks wrote:
mjgyork wrote:
All of the places mentioned by 'inthesticks' DO have bus services. But in common with many car drivers they have to be able to park right outside where they want to be: shops, work etc. So the majority have to be inconvenienced because of their inability to walk even the slightst distances and/or find alternative routes. Well done Mr. Merret DO NOT GIVE IN!
You read my post wrong. I was saying it`s alright for those that have a bus service and gave some examples.
If you do any travelling on the A1237 you will know what I mean, if you don`t then fine. The few that this benefits will not understand what the rest of us are saying.
What about the many thousands who live in rural areas with no buses at all or very infrequent buses? Thinking of others situations is hard to do and something Mr Merrett who lives within cycling distance of work and who has buses very frequently yards from the front door has failed to do.
"Thinking of others' situations" must indeed be hard to do, as so many of the motorists who post on here seem to find it impossible. There's a significant lobby who think that their interests should be absolutely paramount, to the complete exclusion of everybody else's: everything must be subordinated to their divine right to drive anywhere they want to go, in the shortest possible time, and to park free of charge right outside the door - as they can't actually drive inside and do business without heaving themself out of the driving seat). Not so. A significant number of other people also live here, and pay council tax. They too have a right to have their interests considered and sometimes that means that motorists have to take second place. And if we're talking about visitors who don't pay York council tax, hundreds and thousands of them come by train, and are benefiting from improved access to the city centre.


The private car isn't the be-all and end-all. A lot of people clearly think that it sh
[quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mjgyork[/bold] wrote: All of the places mentioned by 'inthesticks' DO have bus services. But in common with many car drivers they have to be able to park right outside where they want to be: shops, work etc. So the majority have to be inconvenienced because of their inability to walk even the slightst distances and/or find alternative routes. Well done Mr. Merret DO NOT GIVE IN![/p][/quote]You read my post wrong. I was saying it`s alright for those that have a bus service and gave some examples. If you do any travelling on the A1237 you will know what I mean, if you don`t then fine. The few that this benefits will not understand what the rest of us are saying. What about the many thousands who live in rural areas with no buses at all or very infrequent buses? Thinking of others situations is hard to do and something Mr Merrett who lives within cycling distance of work and who has buses very frequently yards from the front door has failed to do.[/p][/quote]"Thinking of others' situations" must indeed be hard to do, as so many of the motorists who post on here seem to find it impossible. There's a significant lobby who think that their interests should be absolutely paramount, to the complete exclusion of everybody else's: everything must be subordinated to their divine right to drive anywhere they want to go, in the shortest possible time, and to park free of charge right outside the door - as they can't actually drive inside and do business without heaving themself out of the driving seat). Not so. A significant number of other people also live here, and pay council tax. They too have a right to have their interests considered and sometimes that means that motorists have to take second place. And if we're talking about visitors who don't pay York council tax, hundreds and thousands of them come by train, and are benefiting from improved access to the city centre. The private car isn't the be-all and end-all. A lot of people clearly think that it sh Caecilius

5:45pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Can't all be wrong says...

Fulfordian wrote:
TheTruthHurts wrote:
ouseswimmer wrote: I think they had a similar increase in users last year once the students and school children went back to term time. There are statistics and there are lies.
And surely the weather has to play a part to. First should at least show us the figures for at least the last 5 years to see if there is a trend.
But let's be honest, I don't see that happening. Despite all the 'success' claims by parties who want this closure to succeed (for whatever reason), there hasn't been one shred of evidence provided to illustrate what 'success' is or how it is being measured.

Where are the benchmark figures for traffic flows in key areas from before the closure? Were they taken? If not, how on earth is it possible to compare before and after? What percentage change would represent success? What is the criteria? None of this has been offered by either CoYC or First York. There is no credibility attached to these claims whatsoever - it all seems very smokeand mirrors to me.

As noted above, since First has been the primary bus operator in York for several years, there should be a wealth of passenger data available for this time to prove that the closure of Lendal Bridge is having a positive effect on their services. But then again, how many services actually cross the bridge and how many that don't will be subject to the knock-on delays that the closure brings?

Until somebody starts producing hard facts and data relating to the closure, I can not see how any party to it can claim 'success'.
Couldn't agree more. Also seems a little odd that huge numbers of people have been subjected to enormous inconvenience, thousands of pounds have been raised in fines all to benefit the balance sheet of First York!
Are we really expected to believe there isn't some kind of "arrangement" between this council and First?
[quote][p][bold]Fulfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheTruthHurts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ouseswimmer[/bold] wrote: I think they had a similar increase in users last year once the students and school children went back to term time. There are statistics and there are lies.[/p][/quote]And surely the weather has to play a part to. First should at least show us the figures for at least the last 5 years to see if there is a trend.[/p][/quote]But let's be honest, I don't see that happening. Despite all the 'success' claims by parties who want this closure to succeed (for whatever reason), there hasn't been one shred of evidence provided to illustrate what 'success' is or how it is being measured. Where are the benchmark figures for traffic flows in key areas from before the closure? Were they taken? If not, how on earth is it possible to compare before and after? What percentage change would represent success? What is the criteria? None of this has been offered by either CoYC or First York. There is no credibility attached to these claims whatsoever - it all seems very smokeand mirrors to me. As noted above, since First has been the primary bus operator in York for several years, there should be a wealth of passenger data available for this time to prove that the closure of Lendal Bridge is having a positive effect on their services. But then again, how many services actually cross the bridge and how many that don't will be subject to the knock-on delays that the closure brings? Until somebody starts producing hard facts and data relating to the closure, I can not see how any party to it can claim 'success'.[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more. Also seems a little odd that huge numbers of people have been subjected to enormous inconvenience, thousands of pounds have been raised in fines all to benefit the balance sheet of First York! Are we really expected to believe there isn't some kind of "arrangement" between this council and First? Can't all be wrong

5:49pm Wed 18 Dec 13

TERRIER3 says...

mjgyork wrote:
All of the places mentioned by 'inthesticks' DO have bus services. But in common with many car drivers they have to be able to park right outside where they want to be: shops, work etc. So the majority have to be inconvenienced because of their inability to walk even the slightst distances and/or find alternative routes. Well done Mr. Merret DO NOT GIVE IN!
someone with a brain on here
[quote][p][bold]mjgyork[/bold] wrote: All of the places mentioned by 'inthesticks' DO have bus services. But in common with many car drivers they have to be able to park right outside where they want to be: shops, work etc. So the majority have to be inconvenienced because of their inability to walk even the slightst distances and/or find alternative routes. Well done Mr. Merret DO NOT GIVE IN![/p][/quote]someone with a brain on here TERRIER3

6:05pm Wed 18 Dec 13

chelk says...

I do not understand why people use the bus I walk however I have to use the buses with clients as I am a Support worker most of the buses I use are Dirty I would not pay to use them
I do not understand why people use the bus I walk however I have to use the buses with clients as I am a Support worker most of the buses I use are Dirty I would not pay to use them chelk

6:07pm Wed 18 Dec 13

TERRIER3 says...

Caecilius wrote:
roskoboskovic wrote:
the bridge closure has caused havoc around prices lane,skeldergate bridge and barbican road-foss islands road yet merrett appears to be in denial.the fact that a few buses move slightly faster is irrelevant when compared with the disruption.
I cross Skeldergate Bridge late every afternoon. There's zero difference between the amount of traffic now and the amount there was on it before Lendal Bridge was closed: there's no trace of the city centre gridlock that the car lobby was predicting. This is of a piece with those city centre traders, like the gentleman on 'Look North' last night, who loudly blame a reduction in turnover on the closure without having a shred of evidence. The city centre is packed (figures show footfall has actually increased);their shops are in a pedestrianized area anyway, and people who insist on driving into York can still use the same car parks they did before, with exactly the same distance to walk from the car park to the shop. Interesting that the other businessman interviewed, though he felt obliged to make supportive noises, admitted that his sales hadn't fallen at all.

As for the congestion elsewhere, it was there before and it'll be there after the end of the trial, whether the closure is made permanent (which I hope it is) or not. It'll always be there, unless and until car use declines. If it doesn't decline, then people who use cars should be the ones who take the consequences, and decent provision should be made for those who use other means of travel. It's only fair.
well said, the only people blubbering about the bridge is car drivers, moaning about buses when they cant even remember the last time they caught one, they just feel miffed because one pulled out in front of them. i just laugh at them with my 12 weekly ticket, it probably costs most car drivers 12 a day to run their car?
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roskoboskovic[/bold] wrote: the bridge closure has caused havoc around prices lane,skeldergate bridge and barbican road-foss islands road yet merrett appears to be in denial.the fact that a few buses move slightly faster is irrelevant when compared with the disruption.[/p][/quote]I cross Skeldergate Bridge late every afternoon. There's zero difference between the amount of traffic now and the amount there was on it before Lendal Bridge was closed: there's no trace of the city centre gridlock that the car lobby was predicting. This is of a piece with those city centre traders, like the gentleman on 'Look North' last night, who loudly blame a reduction in turnover on the closure without having a shred of evidence. The city centre is packed (figures show footfall has actually increased);their shops are in a pedestrianized area anyway, and people who insist on driving into York can still use the same car parks they did before, with exactly the same distance to walk from the car park to the shop. Interesting that the other businessman interviewed, though he felt obliged to make supportive noises, admitted that his sales hadn't fallen at all. As for the congestion elsewhere, it was there before and it'll be there after the end of the trial, whether the closure is made permanent (which I hope it is) or not. It'll always be there, unless and until car use declines. If it doesn't decline, then people who use cars should be the ones who take the consequences, and decent provision should be made for those who use other means of travel. It's only fair.[/p][/quote]well said, the only people blubbering about the bridge is car drivers, moaning about buses when they cant even remember the last time they caught one, they just feel miffed because one pulled out in front of them. i just laugh at them with my 12 weekly ticket, it probably costs most car drivers 12 a day to run their car? TERRIER3

6:17pm Wed 18 Dec 13

CHISSY1 says...

AnotherPointofView wrote:
CHISSY1 wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
CHISSY1 wrote: And on.
For someone coming from Selby, I can see that this may not of great interest to you. Then don't bother to read or comment on the article, further since this is the second time you have commented why do bother coming back? The closure of the bridge costs me a lot of time, money and business. That's why I criticise the council.
I do not come from Selby,get your facts right please.
You're still coming back to an article that doesn't interest you.... Your name used to say Chissy1, Selby didn't it?
The article does not interest me but the repeated comments week after week does.Find something important to shout about.
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: And on.[/p][/quote]For someone coming from Selby, I can see that this may not of great interest to you. Then don't bother to read or comment on the article, further since this is the second time you have commented why do bother coming back? The closure of the bridge costs me a lot of time, money and business. That's why I criticise the council.[/p][/quote]I do not come from Selby,get your facts right please.[/p][/quote]You're still coming back to an article that doesn't interest you.... Your name used to say Chissy1, Selby didn't it?[/p][/quote]The article does not interest me but the repeated comments week after week does.Find something important to shout about. CHISSY1

6:18pm Wed 18 Dec 13

JasBro says...

YorkCityLuke wrote:
I like Lendal Bridge being closed, because it is quieter for me to cycle across (and I don't drive). However, Lendal Bridge is not my personal property and it's usage should not merely benefit me - or our rather unreliable bus service. It is a resource that should be available to all York's citizens, including motorists. I agree with any and all steps to make it easier to cycle or use busses in the city, but they should not be implemented in a way that causes major problems for other road users.
Well said, totally agree.

I don't own a car but I agree that the roads should be there for everybody.

Those that want to portray everyone that is against the closure as fat, lazy, selfish motorists are sadly mistaken.
[quote][p][bold]YorkCityLuke[/bold] wrote: I like Lendal Bridge being closed, because it is quieter for me to cycle across (and I don't drive). However, Lendal Bridge is not my personal property and it's usage should not merely benefit me - or our rather unreliable bus service. It is a resource that should be available to all York's citizens, including motorists. I agree with any and all steps to make it easier to cycle or use busses in the city, but they should not be implemented in a way that causes major problems for other road users.[/p][/quote]Well said, totally agree. I don't own a car but I agree that the roads should be there for everybody. Those that want to portray everyone that is against the closure as fat, lazy, selfish motorists are sadly mistaken. JasBro

6:28pm Wed 18 Dec 13

mersaultdies says...

You are all incredibly boring and annoying, apart from that guy who made a lot of sense.
You are all incredibly boring and annoying, apart from that guy who made a lot of sense. mersaultdies

7:34pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Buzzz Light-year says...

Thanks CHISSY for giving us more screenshots of disruptive and malicious posting.

Imagine the embarrassment and desperation of siding with that?!
Hahahahaha :D
Thanks CHISSY for giving us more screenshots of disruptive and malicious posting. Imagine the embarrassment and desperation of siding with that?! Hahahahaha :D Buzzz Light-year

8:06pm Wed 18 Dec 13

tricky1992000 says...

You mean more people have been strong armed into using the bus, because they can't drive a direct route to the train station.
You mean more people have been strong armed into using the bus, because they can't drive a direct route to the train station. tricky1992000

8:16pm Wed 18 Dec 13

CHISSY1 says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Thanks CHISSY for giving us more screenshots of disruptive and malicious posting.

Imagine the embarrassment and desperation of siding with that?!
Hahahahaha :D
Disruptive and malicious,no i am expressing an opinion.In my opinion and the majority of sensible people in this country there are far more important issues that need people to get concerned about.For example what is going to happen when the floodgates open in January and we get thousands of Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants,who will have the guts to stand up and be counted then,very few on this site,more concerned whinging about York Council.
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Thanks CHISSY for giving us more screenshots of disruptive and malicious posting. Imagine the embarrassment and desperation of siding with that?! Hahahahaha :D[/p][/quote]Disruptive and malicious,no i am expressing an opinion.In my opinion and the majority of sensible people in this country there are far more important issues that need people to get concerned about.For example what is going to happen when the floodgates open in January and we get thousands of Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants,who will have the guts to stand up and be counted then,very few on this site,more concerned whinging about York Council. CHISSY1

8:26pm Wed 18 Dec 13

jake777 says...

Junior123 wrote:
The buses still run late! What world do they live in ? and where do they get their facts from?
Total load of rubbish and this is from someone who has to use the buses unfortunately.
the next bus ride you take have a look at the bigger picture and open your eyes, you might just see that the volume of cars on the road is the problem. Its simple take away the problem and it will go away. lets open the bridge again and charge every vehicle £10 to cross it, see how long before another mindless debate starts again.
[quote][p][bold]Junior123[/bold] wrote: The buses still run late! What world do they live in ? and where do they get their facts from? Total load of rubbish and this is from someone who has to use the buses unfortunately.[/p][/quote]the next bus ride you take have a look at the bigger picture and open your eyes, you might just see that the volume of cars on the road is the problem. Its simple take away the problem and it will go away. lets open the bridge again and charge every vehicle £10 to cross it, see how long before another mindless debate starts again. jake777

8:30pm Wed 18 Dec 13

jake777 says...

brownsoundz wrote:
sick of being lied to and figures getting blatantly massaged to suit the councils alternative motives. The council and first york have scratched each others backs for years, of course first are going to say its a success.
the press should stop stiring the issue
how would you know do you drive a bus??
[quote][p][bold]brownsoundz[/bold] wrote: sick of being lied to and figures getting blatantly massaged to suit the councils alternative motives. The council and first york have scratched each others backs for years, of course first are going to say its a success. the press should stop stiring the issue[/p][/quote]how would you know do you drive a bus?? jake777

8:37pm Wed 18 Dec 13

jake777 says...

MrsHoney wrote:
OK if you happen to use a bus that goes over Lendal Bridge, what about all the other busses?! What they need to do is sort out the traffic problem near the Mecca Bingo place on Fishergate. Every night it's appalling. We got the bus into town last week for our work xmas dinner and it took 30 mins for what should be a 10 min journey if that, we should've walked (and might have had it not been pouring down). Every time I have to use public transport it discourages me from using it again.
Does that not tell you something remove the cars problem solved. Or charge £10 to drive down these roads bet cars get left at home then. and it would take only ten minutes like you said Simple.
[quote][p][bold]MrsHoney[/bold] wrote: OK if you happen to use a bus that goes over Lendal Bridge, what about all the other busses?! What they need to do is sort out the traffic problem near the Mecca Bingo place on Fishergate. Every night it's appalling. We got the bus into town last week for our work xmas dinner and it took 30 mins for what should be a 10 min journey if that, we should've walked (and might have had it not been pouring down). Every time I have to use public transport it discourages me from using it again.[/p][/quote]Does that not tell you something remove the cars problem solved. Or charge £10 to drive down these roads bet cars get left at home then. and it would take only ten minutes like you said Simple. jake777

8:42pm Wed 18 Dec 13

jake777 says...

YorkCityLuke wrote:
I like Lendal Bridge being closed, because it is quieter for me to cycle across (and I don't drive). However, Lendal Bridge is not my personal property and it's usage should not merely benefit me - or our rather unreliable bus service. It is a resource that should be available to all York's citizens, including motorists. I agree with any and all steps to make it easier to cycle or use busses in the city, but they should not be implemented in a way that causes major problems for other road users.
will never happen unless you remove the problem (cars).
[quote][p][bold]YorkCityLuke[/bold] wrote: I like Lendal Bridge being closed, because it is quieter for me to cycle across (and I don't drive). However, Lendal Bridge is not my personal property and it's usage should not merely benefit me - or our rather unreliable bus service. It is a resource that should be available to all York's citizens, including motorists. I agree with any and all steps to make it easier to cycle or use busses in the city, but they should not be implemented in a way that causes major problems for other road users.[/p][/quote]will never happen unless you remove the problem (cars). jake777

8:46pm Wed 18 Dec 13

jake777 says...

AlanAtClifton wrote:
Lendal Bridge closure might be great for the bus companies - but what about the poor car drivers (doing a journey not covered by a bus route) and stuck in the extra traffic on Water End / Clifton Bridge or Lord Mayors Walk and Foss Island Road caused by the closure of Lendal Bridge.

No publicity is being given to the knock-on effects the Lendal Bridge closure is having on increased traffic in Outer York i.e. traffic diverted to the other river crossings.
remove the cars, you have removed the problem simple.
[quote][p][bold]AlanAtClifton[/bold] wrote: Lendal Bridge closure might be great for the bus companies - but what about the poor car drivers (doing a journey not covered by a bus route) and stuck in the extra traffic on Water End / Clifton Bridge or Lord Mayors Walk and Foss Island Road caused by the closure of Lendal Bridge. No publicity is being given to the knock-on effects the Lendal Bridge closure is having on increased traffic in Outer York i.e. traffic diverted to the other river crossings.[/p][/quote]remove the cars, you have removed the problem simple. jake777

9:11pm Wed 18 Dec 13

JHardacre says...

May of the comments here point to 'cars' being the problem. Well cars don't drive themselves. Nor do they go on unnecessary journeys (unlike, say empty taxis). No, they are a form of transport for people travelling to work, to shop, for medical appointments, to carry goods, run errands etc. They are the reason towns like York exist. Stop them and you kill the town.
May of the comments here point to 'cars' being the problem. Well cars don't drive themselves. Nor do they go on unnecessary journeys (unlike, say empty taxis). No, they are a form of transport for people travelling to work, to shop, for medical appointments, to carry goods, run errands etc. They are the reason towns like York exist. Stop them and you kill the town. JHardacre

10:20pm Wed 18 Dec 13

wallman says...

mersaultdies wrote:
You are all incredibly boring and annoying, apart from that guy who made a lot of sense.
Mr merritt ? boring or annoying cant be sensible
[quote][p][bold]mersaultdies[/bold] wrote: You are all incredibly boring and annoying, apart from that guy who made a lot of sense.[/p][/quote]Mr merritt ? boring or annoying cant be sensible wallman

10:20pm Wed 18 Dec 13

wallman says...

mersaultdies wrote:
You are all incredibly boring and annoying, apart from that guy who made a lot of sense.
Mr merritt ? boring or annoying cant be sensible
[quote][p][bold]mersaultdies[/bold] wrote: You are all incredibly boring and annoying, apart from that guy who made a lot of sense.[/p][/quote]Mr merritt ? boring or annoying cant be sensible wallman

11:28pm Wed 18 Dec 13

GooseTrackLane says...

Funny how much the 'anti' brigade panic on here when a positive bridge closure story appears.
Funny how much the 'anti' brigade panic on here when a positive bridge closure story appears. GooseTrackLane

1:16am Thu 19 Dec 13

strangebuttrue? says...

What I would like to know is how the comment voting is being manipulated and by who. I have noted recently that instead of the months of usual support for those who oppose the closure and thumbs down for those support it it appears to have suddenly swung the other way? Most notably the first few comments are given the biggest changes (note the comment with 300+ thumbs up which actual shows what an idiot the person who is doing it is) no doubt because someone believes that most will not go much further. Perhaps we see here another case of making the statistics fit?
What I would like to know is how the comment voting is being manipulated and by who. I have noted recently that instead of the months of usual support for those who oppose the closure and thumbs down for those support it it appears to have suddenly swung the other way? Most notably the first few comments are given the biggest changes (note the comment with 300+ thumbs up which actual shows what an idiot the person who is doing it is) no doubt because someone believes that most will not go much further. Perhaps we see here another case of making the statistics fit? strangebuttrue?

2:36am Thu 19 Dec 13

Magicman! says...

“The Lendal Bridge trial and the clearly defined city highway management strategy has given First the confidence to accelerate its business plan in York, which aims to improve bus services and encourage more passengers on to its buses.”
~~
He added that First had a number of “new and exciting” initiatives planned, including electric buses. It could only do this because it had confidence in the city’s highway management strategy.


I heard a while back that First wanted to reverse the bad decisions that has been made in the past and deliver a better quality bus service provision, and some of the speak quoted above seems to suggest support for that....

But things such as the £5 'duo' evening ticket is of no use to me, because the First bus service closest to me has the last bus leaving stonebow at 4.40pm, and most of the other services slow right down to just 1 bus per hour from 6pm, if that.

The Electric buses spoken of have now been built, and are parked up at Sherburn prior to delivery. There's also apparently some Hybrid buses (refurbished London buses) coming this way next year.
And there's another rumour going round too - but unless a guy I know spots signs of this having substance at Plaxtons then I think it might just be a rumour and nothing more.
[quote]“The Lendal Bridge trial and the clearly defined city highway management strategy has given First the confidence to accelerate its business plan in York, which aims to improve bus services and encourage more passengers on to its buses.” ~~ He added that First had a number of “new and exciting” initiatives planned, including electric buses. It could only do this because it had confidence in the city’s highway management strategy. [/quote] I heard a while back that First wanted to reverse the bad decisions that has been made in the past and deliver a better quality bus service provision, and some of the speak quoted above seems to suggest support for that.... But things such as the £5 'duo' evening ticket is of no use to me, because the First bus service closest to me has the last bus leaving stonebow at 4.40pm, and most of the other services slow right down to just 1 bus per hour from 6pm, if that. The Electric buses spoken of have now been built, and are parked up at Sherburn prior to delivery. There's also apparently some Hybrid buses (refurbished London buses) coming this way next year. And there's another rumour going round too - but unless a guy I know spots signs of this having substance at Plaxtons then I think it might just be a rumour and nothing more. Magicman!

5:41am Thu 19 Dec 13

Chris HM says...

MrsHoney wrote:
OK if you happen to use a bus that goes over Lendal Bridge, what about all the other busses?! What they need to do is sort out the traffic problem near the Mecca Bingo place on Fishergate. Every night it's appalling. We got the bus into town last week for our work xmas dinner and it took 30 mins for what should be a 10 min journey if that, we should've walked (and might have had it not been pouring down). Every time I have to use public transport it discourages me from using it again.
Could not agree more. While the closure of Lendal bridge may have helped for some bus routes, it definitely seems to have had a detrimental knock on effect for the number 7. The traffic in Fishergate is terrible, and I am sure it is worse following the closure of Lendal Bridge
[quote][p][bold]MrsHoney[/bold] wrote: OK if you happen to use a bus that goes over Lendal Bridge, what about all the other busses?! What they need to do is sort out the traffic problem near the Mecca Bingo place on Fishergate. Every night it's appalling. We got the bus into town last week for our work xmas dinner and it took 30 mins for what should be a 10 min journey if that, we should've walked (and might have had it not been pouring down). Every time I have to use public transport it discourages me from using it again.[/p][/quote]Could not agree more. While the closure of Lendal bridge may have helped for some bus routes, it definitely seems to have had a detrimental knock on effect for the number 7. The traffic in Fishergate is terrible, and I am sure it is worse following the closure of Lendal Bridge Chris HM

6:33am Thu 19 Dec 13

JasBro says...

CHISSY1 wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Thanks CHISSY for giving us more screenshots of disruptive and malicious posting.

Imagine the embarrassment and desperation of siding with that?!
Hahahahaha :D
Disruptive and malicious,no i am expressing an opinion.In my opinion and the majority of sensible people in this country there are far more important issues that need people to get concerned about.For example what is going to happen when the floodgates open in January and we get thousands of Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants,who will have the guts to stand up and be counted then,very few on this site,more concerned whinging about York Council.
Please allow me to explain. ..

The article at the top of the page is about Lendal Bridge, and most of the comments that follow relate to that article, that's how it usually works.

Many of us have the mental capacity to be concerned about more than one issue at any one time. Thus we make relevant comments here, where the discussion is about Lendal Bridge, and reserve our comments on other issues to places where they are relevant.

Perhaps you should try this approach.
[quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Thanks CHISSY for giving us more screenshots of disruptive and malicious posting. Imagine the embarrassment and desperation of siding with that?! Hahahahaha :D[/p][/quote]Disruptive and malicious,no i am expressing an opinion.In my opinion and the majority of sensible people in this country there are far more important issues that need people to get concerned about.For example what is going to happen when the floodgates open in January and we get thousands of Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants,who will have the guts to stand up and be counted then,very few on this site,more concerned whinging about York Council.[/p][/quote]Please allow me to explain. .. The article at the top of the page is about Lendal Bridge, and most of the comments that follow relate to that article, that's how it usually works. Many of us have the mental capacity to be concerned about more than one issue at any one time. Thus we make relevant comments here, where the discussion is about Lendal Bridge, and reserve our comments on other issues to places where they are relevant. Perhaps you should try this approach. JasBro

6:46am Thu 19 Dec 13

JasBro says...

GooseTrackLane wrote:
Funny how much the 'anti' brigade panic on here when a positive bridge closure story appears.
Funny how desperate the anti choice brigade are to spin biased opinion and dubious stats as a positive story.

Shock horror!!! Private bus company likes having the road to itself.

What Next? Taxi drivers report shorter journey times from the station to the Minster?
[quote][p][bold]GooseTrackLane[/bold] wrote: Funny how much the 'anti' brigade panic on here when a positive bridge closure story appears.[/p][/quote]Funny how desperate the anti choice brigade are to spin biased opinion and dubious stats as a positive story. Shock horror!!! Private bus company likes having the road to itself. What Next? Taxi drivers report shorter journey times from the station to the Minster? JasBro

7:49am Thu 19 Dec 13

Igiveinthen says...

chelk wrote:
I do not understand why people use the bus I walk however I have to use the buses with clients as I am a Support worker most of the buses I use are Dirty I would not pay to use them
Was waiting for someone to say that, I used the buses - No. 4 and No.6 - to get from Fishergate to Cliftonmoor to pick up my car from one of the dealerships, we went over Lendal Bridge, but never, never, never again will I use that mode of transport, the journey was long and tedious and the No. 6 bus in particular was filthy!! and smelly!!, I know this will attract mega thumbs down but do I care? not one bit - buses running on time? You must be joking - Merry Christmas Mr Merrett you are obviously a waste of oxygen!!!
[quote][p][bold]chelk[/bold] wrote: I do not understand why people use the bus I walk however I have to use the buses with clients as I am a Support worker most of the buses I use are Dirty I would not pay to use them[/p][/quote]Was waiting for someone to say that, I used the buses - No. 4 and No.6 - to get from Fishergate to Cliftonmoor to pick up my car from one of the dealerships, we went over Lendal Bridge, but never, never, never again will I use that mode of transport, the journey was long and tedious and the No. 6 bus in particular was filthy!! and smelly!!, I know this will attract mega thumbs down but do I care? not one bit - buses running on time? You must be joking - Merry Christmas Mr Merrett you are obviously a waste of oxygen!!! Igiveinthen

8:07am Thu 19 Dec 13

AnotherPointofView says...

strangebuttrue? wrote:
What I would like to know is how the comment voting is being manipulated and by who. I have noted recently that instead of the months of usual support for those who oppose the closure and thumbs down for those support it it appears to have suddenly swung the other way? Most notably the first few comments are given the biggest changes (note the comment with 300+ thumbs up which actual shows what an idiot the person who is doing it is) no doubt because someone believes that most will not go much further. Perhaps we see here another case of making the statistics fit?
Indeed there is something strange about the thumbs up/down. On Wednesday afternoon the comment by mjgyork had a fairly high number of thumbs down. All of a sudden it has 368 positive (at the time of this comment). Wheras the first comment which was positive is currently negative.

There is something odd going on in the voting.
[quote][p][bold]strangebuttrue?[/bold] wrote: What I would like to know is how the comment voting is being manipulated and by who. I have noted recently that instead of the months of usual support for those who oppose the closure and thumbs down for those support it it appears to have suddenly swung the other way? Most notably the first few comments are given the biggest changes (note the comment with 300+ thumbs up which actual shows what an idiot the person who is doing it is) no doubt because someone believes that most will not go much further. Perhaps we see here another case of making the statistics fit?[/p][/quote]Indeed there is something strange about the thumbs up/down. On Wednesday afternoon the comment by mjgyork had a fairly high number of thumbs down. All of a sudden it has 368 positive (at the time of this comment). Wheras the first comment which was positive is currently negative. There is something odd going on in the voting. AnotherPointofView

8:12am Thu 19 Dec 13

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

strangebuttrue? wrote:
What I would like to know is how the comment voting is being manipulated and by who. I have noted recently that instead of the months of usual support for those who oppose the closure and thumbs down for those support it it appears to have suddenly swung the other way? Most notably the first few comments are given the biggest changes (note the comment with 300+ thumbs up which actual shows what an idiot the person who is doing it is) no doubt because someone believes that most will not go much further. Perhaps we see here another case of making the statistics fit?
It's a last hours in the bunker strategy.

Desperate, pointless, indicative of a weak and beaten argument progressed by weak and beaten policy.
[quote][p][bold]strangebuttrue?[/bold] wrote: What I would like to know is how the comment voting is being manipulated and by who. I have noted recently that instead of the months of usual support for those who oppose the closure and thumbs down for those support it it appears to have suddenly swung the other way? Most notably the first few comments are given the biggest changes (note the comment with 300+ thumbs up which actual shows what an idiot the person who is doing it is) no doubt because someone believes that most will not go much further. Perhaps we see here another case of making the statistics fit?[/p][/quote]It's a last hours in the bunker strategy. Desperate, pointless, indicative of a weak and beaten argument progressed by weak and beaten policy. YOUWILLDOASISAY

8:15am Thu 19 Dec 13

Kevin Turvey says...

So it would seem that the unseen hand and forces of propaganda are even now putting huge effort into swaying of the thumbs up thumbs down to attempt to show public opinion for what it is not.

Either it is all down in the council offices or a friend in York Press, very sinister!

They really must be desperate!
So it would seem that the unseen hand and forces of propaganda are even now putting huge effort into swaying of the thumbs up thumbs down to attempt to show public opinion for what it is not. Either it is all down in the council offices or a friend in York Press, very sinister! They really must be desperate! Kevin Turvey

8:18am Thu 19 Dec 13

Kevin Turvey says...

or first employees told to vote.
lobbyist groups that Dave the Ferret is linked with using all the internet savvy to bring to the fore.
However all the dodgy tactics do not take away that the trial is not a logical and fair one.
or first employees told to vote. lobbyist groups that Dave the Ferret is linked with using all the internet savvy to bring to the fore. However all the dodgy tactics do not take away that the trial is not a logical and fair one. Kevin Turvey

8:43am Thu 19 Dec 13

AnotherPointofView says...

Kevin Turvey wrote:
So it would seem that the unseen hand and forces of propaganda are even now putting huge effort into swaying of the thumbs up thumbs down to attempt to show public opinion for what it is not. Either it is all down in the council offices or a friend in York Press, very sinister! They really must be desperate!
There is also some strange voting in the letters pages for the letter titled: "Ridiculous argument"

Peddling Paul has a comment with 1,000 thumbs up! I've never seen any of his comments with a positive let alone a thousand thumbs up. Dodgy!!
[quote][p][bold]Kevin Turvey[/bold] wrote: So it would seem that the unseen hand and forces of propaganda are even now putting huge effort into swaying of the thumbs up thumbs down to attempt to show public opinion for what it is not. Either it is all down in the council offices or a friend in York Press, very sinister! They really must be desperate![/p][/quote]There is also some strange voting in the letters pages for the letter titled: "Ridiculous argument" Peddling Paul has a comment with 1,000 thumbs up! I've never seen any of his comments with a positive let alone a thousand thumbs up. Dodgy!! AnotherPointofView

8:46am Thu 19 Dec 13

Madasanibbotson says...

I expect the thumbs up and down facility will soon be removed the Press to assist Merrett. Changing plus votes to minus is a short term fix to further remove democracy.
Looks as though The Press and First both bow to Merrett's wishes.

Note to Press Editor-The truth always comes out. If the plus to minus is a computer problem you should be able to reverse it quickly.
I expect the thumbs up and down facility will soon be removed the Press to assist Merrett. Changing plus votes to minus is a short term fix to further remove democracy. Looks as though The Press and First both bow to Merrett's wishes. Note to Press Editor-The truth always comes out. If the plus to minus is a computer problem you should be able to reverse it quickly. Madasanibbotson

9:16am Thu 19 Dec 13

CHISSY1 says...

JasBro wrote:
CHISSY1 wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Thanks CHISSY for giving us more screenshots of disruptive and malicious posting.

Imagine the embarrassment and desperation of siding with that?!
Hahahahaha :D
Disruptive and malicious,no i am expressing an opinion.In my opinion and the majority of sensible people in this country there are far more important issues that need people to get concerned about.For example what is going to happen when the floodgates open in January and we get thousands of Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants,who will have the guts to stand up and be counted then,very few on this site,more concerned whinging about York Council.
Please allow me to explain. ..

The article at the top of the page is about Lendal Bridge, and most of the comments that follow relate to that article, that's how it usually works.

Many of us have the mental capacity to be concerned about more than one issue at any one time. Thus we make relevant comments here, where the discussion is about Lendal Bridge, and reserve our comments on other issues to places where they are relevant.

Perhaps you should try this approach.
Just wait until January,the Lendal bridge saga will be forgotten.
[quote][p][bold]JasBro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Thanks CHISSY for giving us more screenshots of disruptive and malicious posting. Imagine the embarrassment and desperation of siding with that?! Hahahahaha :D[/p][/quote]Disruptive and malicious,no i am expressing an opinion.In my opinion and the majority of sensible people in this country there are far more important issues that need people to get concerned about.For example what is going to happen when the floodgates open in January and we get thousands of Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants,who will have the guts to stand up and be counted then,very few on this site,more concerned whinging about York Council.[/p][/quote]Please allow me to explain. .. The article at the top of the page is about Lendal Bridge, and most of the comments that follow relate to that article, that's how it usually works. Many of us have the mental capacity to be concerned about more than one issue at any one time. Thus we make relevant comments here, where the discussion is about Lendal Bridge, and reserve our comments on other issues to places where they are relevant. Perhaps you should try this approach.[/p][/quote]Just wait until January,the Lendal bridge saga will be forgotten. CHISSY1

9:35am Thu 19 Dec 13

Bo Jolly says...

Can the Press please do something about the abuse of the comment voting system? Clearly tens or (in some cases) hundreds of new 'pro-bridge closure' readers haven't just suddenly started reading and voting on Lendal Bridge stories. It's a deliberate campaign to give a misleading impression about public opinion.

I don't know if it is the work of some Dave Merret stooge in the council or (more likely) the work of a sad anti-car crank dismayed at the massive support of all those comments opposing the crazy closure. Either way you need to get it sorted out.
Can the Press please do something about the abuse of the comment voting system? Clearly tens or (in some cases) hundreds of new 'pro-bridge closure' readers haven't just suddenly started reading and voting on Lendal Bridge stories. It's a deliberate campaign to give a misleading impression about public opinion. I don't know if it is the work of some Dave Merret stooge in the council or (more likely) the work of a sad anti-car crank dismayed at the massive support of all those comments opposing the crazy closure. Either way you need to get it sorted out. Bo Jolly

10:00am Thu 19 Dec 13

Kevin Turvey says...

The thumbs up/thumbs down irregularity – Do you recognise any of the following? I do!

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Public_rela
tions

Spin:
Spin has been interpreted historically to mean overt deceit meant to manipulate the public, but since the 1990s has shifted to describing a "polishing of the truth. Today spin refers to providing a certain interpretation of information meant to sway public opinion. Companies may use spin to create the appearance of the company or other events are going in a slightly different direction than they actually are. Within the field of public relations, spin is seen as a derogatory term, interpreted by professionals as meaning blatant deceit and manipulation. Skilled practitioners of spin are sometimes called "spin doctors."
The techniques of spin include selectively presenting facts and quotes that support ideal positions (cherry picking), the so-called "non-denial denial," phrasing that in a way presumes unproven truths, euphemisms for drawing attention away from items considered distasteful, and ambiguity in public statements. Another spin technique involves careful choice of timing in the release of certain news so it can take advantage of prominent events in the news.

Negative PR:
Negative public relations, also called dark public relations (DPR) and in some earlier writing "Black PR", is a process of destroying the target's reputation and/or corporate identity. The objective in DPR is to discredit someone else, who may pose a threat to the client's business or be a political rival. DPR may rely on IT security, industrial espionage, social engineering and competitive intelligence. Common techniques include using dirty secrets from the target, producing misleading facts to fool a competitor.

Politics and civil society:
In Propaganda (1928), Bernays argued that the manipulation of public opinion was a necessary part of democracy. In public relations, lobby groups are created to influence government policy, corporate policy, or public opinion, typically in a way that benefits the sponsoring organization.
When a lobby group hides its true purpose and support base, it is known as a front group. Front groups are a form of astroturfing, because they intend to sway the public or the government without disclosing their financial connection to corporate or political interests. They create a fake grass-roots movement by giving the appearance of a trusted organization that serves the public, when they actually serve their sponsors.

Who do you trust?
The council?
The Councillors?
The Press?
Or not of the above?
Please state.
The thumbs up/thumbs down irregularity – Do you recognise any of the following? I do! Source: http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Public_rela tions Spin: Spin has been interpreted historically to mean overt deceit meant to manipulate the public, but since the 1990s has shifted to describing a "polishing of the truth. Today spin refers to providing a certain interpretation of information meant to sway public opinion. Companies may use spin to create the appearance of the company or other events are going in a slightly different direction than they actually are. Within the field of public relations, spin is seen as a derogatory term, interpreted by professionals as meaning blatant deceit and manipulation. Skilled practitioners of spin are sometimes called "spin doctors." The techniques of spin include selectively presenting facts and quotes that support ideal positions (cherry picking), the so-called "non-denial denial," phrasing that in a way presumes unproven truths, euphemisms for drawing attention away from items considered distasteful, and ambiguity in public statements. Another spin technique involves careful choice of timing in the release of certain news so it can take advantage of prominent events in the news. Negative PR: Negative public relations, also called dark public relations (DPR) and in some earlier writing "Black PR", is a process of destroying the target's reputation and/or corporate identity. The objective in DPR is to discredit someone else, who may pose a threat to the client's business or be a political rival. DPR may rely on IT security, industrial espionage, social engineering and competitive intelligence. Common techniques include using dirty secrets from the target, producing misleading facts to fool a competitor. Politics and civil society: In Propaganda (1928), Bernays argued that the manipulation of public opinion was a necessary part of democracy. In public relations, lobby groups are created to influence government policy, corporate policy, or public opinion, typically in a way that benefits the sponsoring organization. When a lobby group hides its true purpose and support base, it is known as a front group. Front groups are a form of astroturfing, because they intend to sway the public or the government without disclosing their financial connection to corporate or political interests. They create a fake grass-roots movement by giving the appearance of a trusted organization that serves the public, when they actually serve their sponsors. Who do you trust? The council? The Councillors? The Press? Or not of the above? Please state. Kevin Turvey

10:16am Thu 19 Dec 13

GooseTrackLane says...

A deliberate campaign to rig the thumbs up thumbs down voting system. HAHAHAHAHA.

You really do have to live in a bubble of delusion to think that people are actually influenced by the number of thumbs up a comment gets.
A deliberate campaign to rig the thumbs up thumbs down voting system. HAHAHAHAHA. You really do have to live in a bubble of delusion to think that people are actually influenced by the number of thumbs up a comment gets. GooseTrackLane

10:24am Thu 19 Dec 13

Rocking Horse says...

Bo Jolly wrote:
Can the Press please do something about the abuse of the comment voting system? Clearly tens or (in some cases) hundreds of new 'pro-bridge closure' readers haven't just suddenly started reading and voting on Lendal Bridge stories. It's a deliberate campaign to give a misleading impression about public opinion. I don't know if it is the work of some Dave Merret stooge in the council or (more likely) the work of a sad anti-car crank dismayed at the massive support of all those comments opposing the crazy closure. Either way you need to get it sorted out.
Strongly agree !

MESSAGE TO PRESS -
Please sort this out !
[quote][p][bold]Bo Jolly[/bold] wrote: Can the Press please do something about the abuse of the comment voting system? Clearly tens or (in some cases) hundreds of new 'pro-bridge closure' readers haven't just suddenly started reading and voting on Lendal Bridge stories. It's a deliberate campaign to give a misleading impression about public opinion. I don't know if it is the work of some Dave Merret stooge in the council or (more likely) the work of a sad anti-car crank dismayed at the massive support of all those comments opposing the crazy closure. Either way you need to get it sorted out.[/p][/quote]Strongly agree ! MESSAGE TO PRESS - Please sort this out ! Rocking Horse

10:36am Thu 19 Dec 13

Bo Jolly says...

GooseTrackLane wrote:
A deliberate campaign to rig the thumbs up thumbs down voting system. HAHAHAHAHA.

You really do have to live in a bubble of delusion to think that people are actually influenced by the number of thumbs up a comment gets.
Really? The Lendal Bridge farce is national news (in case you hadn't noticed). National journalists will turn to the Press for their information and a guide on how local people feel.

I noticed that you haven't denied the existence of abuse of the voting system. Only a blinkered idiot would deny that abuse is happening when over the last two days overwhelmingly positive up-thumbs suddenly crash down into the negative, in complete defiance of the clear pattern of the last few months. And where Pedalling Paul suddenly has 1000 up-thumbs on one of his comments... (a clue? or a hacker with a sense of humour?)
[quote][p][bold]GooseTrackLane[/bold] wrote: A deliberate campaign to rig the thumbs up thumbs down voting system. HAHAHAHAHA. You really do have to live in a bubble of delusion to think that people are actually influenced by the number of thumbs up a comment gets.[/p][/quote]Really? The Lendal Bridge farce is national news (in case you hadn't noticed). National journalists will turn to the Press for their information and a guide on how local people feel. I noticed that you haven't denied the existence of abuse of the voting system. Only a blinkered idiot would deny that abuse is happening when over the last two days overwhelmingly positive up-thumbs suddenly crash down into the negative, in complete defiance of the clear pattern of the last few months. And where Pedalling Paul suddenly has 1000 up-thumbs on one of his comments... (a clue? or a hacker with a sense of humour?) Bo Jolly

11:51am Thu 19 Dec 13

Richard Catton says...

Rocking Horse wrote:
Bo Jolly wrote: Can the Press please do something about the abuse of the comment voting system? Clearly tens or (in some cases) hundreds of new 'pro-bridge closure' readers haven't just suddenly started reading and voting on Lendal Bridge stories. It's a deliberate campaign to give a misleading impression about public opinion. I don't know if it is the work of some Dave Merret stooge in the council or (more likely) the work of a sad anti-car crank dismayed at the massive support of all those comments opposing the crazy closure. Either way you need to get it sorted out.
Strongly agree ! MESSAGE TO PRESS - Please sort this out !
Hang on people.
As a former York Press journo I know it would be difficult to sift through all the thumbs-ups and thumb-downs and decide which were genuine or which were part of a concerted effort to skew results.

However, I agree that it is hugely suspicious when a comment calling for Merrett to 'not give in' has a staggering 365 (to date) thumbs up when previously it would have been well into the negative.

This smacks of a concerted effort by someone somewhere to mobilise a lot of support. Perhaps the Press could look at who has recently joined the web site and how they voted. I suspect you would find a lot of new members who support the closure. The question is, who is behind this and do they think we are stupid enough not to realise what they up to.
I will also be happy to defend The Press against anyone who wants to make ludicrous comments ablout the editorial team being "in Merrett's pocket"
[quote][p][bold]Rocking Horse[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bo Jolly[/bold] wrote: Can the Press please do something about the abuse of the comment voting system? Clearly tens or (in some cases) hundreds of new 'pro-bridge closure' readers haven't just suddenly started reading and voting on Lendal Bridge stories. It's a deliberate campaign to give a misleading impression about public opinion. I don't know if it is the work of some Dave Merret stooge in the council or (more likely) the work of a sad anti-car crank dismayed at the massive support of all those comments opposing the crazy closure. Either way you need to get it sorted out.[/p][/quote]Strongly agree ! MESSAGE TO PRESS - Please sort this out ![/p][/quote]Hang on people. As a former York Press journo I know it would be difficult to sift through all the thumbs-ups and thumb-downs and decide which were genuine or which were part of a concerted effort to skew results. However, I agree that it is hugely suspicious when a comment calling for Merrett to 'not give in' has a staggering 365 (to date) thumbs up when previously it would have been well into the negative. This smacks of a concerted effort by someone somewhere to mobilise a lot of support. Perhaps the Press could look at who has recently joined the web site and how they voted. I suspect you would find a lot of new members who support the closure. The question is, who is behind this and do they think we are stupid enough not to realise what they up to. I will also be happy to defend The Press against anyone who wants to make ludicrous comments ablout the editorial team being "in Merrett's pocket" Richard Catton

1:48pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Bo Jolly says...

Richard Catton wrote:
Rocking Horse wrote:
Bo Jolly wrote: Can the Press please do something about the abuse of the comment voting system? Clearly tens or (in some cases) hundreds of new 'pro-bridge closure' readers haven't just suddenly started reading and voting on Lendal Bridge stories. It's a deliberate campaign to give a misleading impression about public opinion. I don't know if it is the work of some Dave Merret stooge in the council or (more likely) the work of a sad anti-car crank dismayed at the massive support of all those comments opposing the crazy closure. Either way you need to get it sorted out.
Strongly agree ! MESSAGE TO PRESS - Please sort this out !
Hang on people.
As a former York Press journo I know it would be difficult to sift through all the thumbs-ups and thumb-downs and decide which were genuine or which were part of a concerted effort to skew results.

However, I agree that it is hugely suspicious when a comment calling for Merrett to 'not give in' has a staggering 365 (to date) thumbs up when previously it would have been well into the negative.

This smacks of a concerted effort by someone somewhere to mobilise a lot of support. Perhaps the Press could look at who has recently joined the web site and how they voted. I suspect you would find a lot of new members who support the closure. The question is, who is behind this and do they think we are stupid enough not to realise what they up to.
I will also be happy to defend The Press against anyone who wants to make ludicrous comments ablout the editorial team being "in Merrett's pocket"
"This smacks of a concerted effort by someone somewhere to mobilise a lot of support...I suspect you would find a lot of new members who support the closure." - Looking at some of the other stories over the last couple of days, this doesn't add up.

Why would a group of bridge supporters (even supposing they exist in the numbers that would be necessary) artificially up-thumb Pedalling Paul's comment on a non-bridge letter to the point where he reached 1000 positives? And then, just as weirdly remove the positives a day later, leaving poor old Paul with a much more realistic rating of -200 plus.

And why would they artificially vote down comments critical of James Alexander on the Kings Square story?

No, this is much more likely to be an individual or a small group who have worked out some clever hack of the comment voting, which should be readily identifiable by the Press. Please sort it out Press - it reflects badly on your newspaper.
[quote][p][bold]Richard Catton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rocking Horse[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bo Jolly[/bold] wrote: Can the Press please do something about the abuse of the comment voting system? Clearly tens or (in some cases) hundreds of new 'pro-bridge closure' readers haven't just suddenly started reading and voting on Lendal Bridge stories. It's a deliberate campaign to give a misleading impression about public opinion. I don't know if it is the work of some Dave Merret stooge in the council or (more likely) the work of a sad anti-car crank dismayed at the massive support of all those comments opposing the crazy closure. Either way you need to get it sorted out.[/p][/quote]Strongly agree ! MESSAGE TO PRESS - Please sort this out ![/p][/quote]Hang on people. As a former York Press journo I know it would be difficult to sift through all the thumbs-ups and thumb-downs and decide which were genuine or which were part of a concerted effort to skew results. However, I agree that it is hugely suspicious when a comment calling for Merrett to 'not give in' has a staggering 365 (to date) thumbs up when previously it would have been well into the negative. This smacks of a concerted effort by someone somewhere to mobilise a lot of support. Perhaps the Press could look at who has recently joined the web site and how they voted. I suspect you would find a lot of new members who support the closure. The question is, who is behind this and do they think we are stupid enough not to realise what they up to. I will also be happy to defend The Press against anyone who wants to make ludicrous comments ablout the editorial team being "in Merrett's pocket"[/p][/quote]"This smacks of a concerted effort by someone somewhere to mobilise a lot of support...I suspect you would find a lot of new members who support the closure." - Looking at some of the other stories over the last couple of days, this doesn't add up. Why would a group of bridge supporters (even supposing they exist in the numbers that would be necessary) artificially up-thumb Pedalling Paul's comment on a non-bridge letter to the point where he reached 1000 positives? And then, just as weirdly remove the positives a day later, leaving poor old Paul with a much more realistic rating of -200 plus. And why would they artificially vote down comments critical of James Alexander on the Kings Square story? No, this is much more likely to be an individual or a small group who have worked out some clever hack of the comment voting, which should be readily identifiable by the Press. Please sort it out Press - it reflects badly on your newspaper. Bo Jolly

1:50pm Thu 19 Dec 13

viking99 says...

Jake777
Does that not tell you something remove the cars problem solved. Or charge £10 to drive down these roads bet cars get left at home then. and it would take only ten minutes like you said Simple

how to empty a city of every thing and it eventually becomes a ghost town, I only come into York by car for my dentist appointment or hospital check as catching a bus makes a relatively quick journey into a half day excursion
Jake777 Does that not tell you something remove the cars problem solved. Or charge £10 to drive down these roads bet cars get left at home then. and it would take only ten minutes like you said Simple how to empty a city of every thing and it eventually becomes a ghost town, I only come into York by car for my dentist appointment or hospital check as catching a bus makes a relatively quick journey into a half day excursion viking99

1:58pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Madasanibbotson says...

AnotherPointofView wrote:
Kevin Turvey wrote:
So it would seem that the unseen hand and forces of propaganda are even now putting huge effort into swaying of the thumbs up thumbs down to attempt to show public opinion for what it is not. Either it is all down in the council offices or a friend in York Press, very sinister! They really must be desperate!
There is also some strange voting in the letters pages for the letter titled: "Ridiculous argument"

Peddling Paul has a comment with 1,000 thumbs up! I've never seen any of his comments with a positive let alone a thousand thumbs up. Dodgy!!
The only way Peddling Paul would get Thumbs UP is if he

a) fell off his bike
b) knocked off his bike by a first bus, that was late due to gridlock caused by the Lendal bridge saga
and was laid on his back.
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kevin Turvey[/bold] wrote: So it would seem that the unseen hand and forces of propaganda are even now putting huge effort into swaying of the thumbs up thumbs down to attempt to show public opinion for what it is not. Either it is all down in the council offices or a friend in York Press, very sinister! They really must be desperate![/p][/quote]There is also some strange voting in the letters pages for the letter titled: "Ridiculous argument" Peddling Paul has a comment with 1,000 thumbs up! I've never seen any of his comments with a positive let alone a thousand thumbs up. Dodgy!![/p][/quote]The only way Peddling Paul would get Thumbs UP is if he a) fell off his bike b) knocked off his bike by a first bus, that was late due to gridlock caused by the Lendal bridge saga and was laid on his back. Madasanibbotson

2:00pm Thu 19 Dec 13

The Analyst says...

“Through this six-month trial and our new York By Bus campaign, we aim to encourage even more people to travel by bus and increase passenger numbers by 18 per cent by 2015,”

At which point you'll swiftly be voted out, and order, once again, restored!!
“Through this six-month trial and our new York By Bus campaign, we aim to encourage even more people to travel by bus and increase passenger numbers by 18 per cent by 2015,” At which point you'll swiftly be voted out, and order, once again, restored!! The Analyst

2:36pm Thu 19 Dec 13

mmarshal says...

I regularly use the No 6 bus and have noticed no significant change in reliability. Firstbus continue to display timetables with buses 'at frequent intervals.' My understanding of frequent intervals is that bus service schedules would be predictable and reliable. That is simply not the case.
Buses scheduled for a 10 minute service 'frequently arrive at 20 minute intervals' and 'frequently arrive in tandem of 2 or 3 buses.' Is that what First mean by a frequent service
I regularly use the No 6 bus and have noticed no significant change in reliability. Firstbus continue to display timetables with buses 'at frequent intervals.' My understanding of frequent intervals is that bus service schedules would be predictable and reliable. That is simply not the case. Buses scheduled for a 10 minute service 'frequently arrive at 20 minute intervals' and 'frequently arrive in tandem of 2 or 3 buses.' Is that what First mean by a frequent service mmarshal

2:42pm Thu 19 Dec 13

strangebuttrue? says...

Who would want First to do more anyway? They already run empty buses most of the day polluting and blocking the roads which causes more pollution. Every time they invest it does not seem to be with their own profits it seems to be grants of one form or another and no matter where the grants come from they originally came out of your pocket in taxes.
Who would want First to do more anyway? They already run empty buses most of the day polluting and blocking the roads which causes more pollution. Every time they invest it does not seem to be with their own profits it seems to be grants of one form or another and no matter where the grants come from they originally came out of your pocket in taxes. strangebuttrue?

3:04pm Thu 19 Dec 13

brownsoundz says...

jake777 wrote:
brownsoundz wrote: sick of being lied to and figures getting blatantly massaged to suit the councils alternative motives. The council and first york have scratched each others backs for years, of course first are going to say its a success. the press should stop stiring the issue
how would you know do you drive a bus??
yes, for first york.
[quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brownsoundz[/bold] wrote: sick of being lied to and figures getting blatantly massaged to suit the councils alternative motives. The council and first york have scratched each others backs for years, of course first are going to say its a success. the press should stop stiring the issue[/p][/quote]how would you know do you drive a bus??[/p][/quote]yes, for first york. brownsoundz

3:30pm Thu 19 Dec 13

MrChuckles says...

I noticed the chap who owns the perfume shop saying his business has suffered due to the closure of this bridge
However, although i'm against the closure for practical reasons, considering the price of parking in actual car parks and the usual lack of spaces in a busy time of the year, how has the bridge created a drop in trade? Note the double yellow lines and no parking in the immediate vicinity of the shops in question. Seems like some are pleading victim despite the fact nobody could park anywhere near them anyway.
I noticed the chap who owns the perfume shop saying his business has suffered due to the closure of this bridge However, although i'm against the closure for practical reasons, considering the price of parking in actual car parks and the usual lack of spaces in a busy time of the year, how has the bridge created a drop in trade? Note the double yellow lines and no parking in the immediate vicinity of the shops in question. Seems like some are pleading victim despite the fact nobody could park anywhere near them anyway. MrChuckles

4:44pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Happytoliveinyork says...

Caecilius wrote:
inthesticks wrote:
mjgyork wrote:
All of the places mentioned by 'inthesticks' DO have bus services. But in common with many car drivers they have to be able to park right outside where they want to be: shops, work etc. So the majority have to be inconvenienced because of their inability to walk even the slightst distances and/or find alternative routes. Well done Mr. Merret DO NOT GIVE IN!
You read my post wrong. I was saying it`s alright for those that have a bus service and gave some examples.
If you do any travelling on the A1237 you will know what I mean, if you don`t then fine. The few that this benefits will not understand what the rest of us are saying.
What about the many thousands who live in rural areas with no buses at all or very infrequent buses? Thinking of others situations is hard to do and something Mr Merrett who lives within cycling distance of work and who has buses very frequently yards from the front door has failed to do.
"Thinking of others' situations" must indeed be hard to do, as so many of the motorists who post on here seem to find it impossible. There's a significant lobby who think that their interests should be absolutely paramount, to the complete exclusion of everybody else's: everything must be subordinated to their divine right to drive anywhere they want to go, in the shortest possible time, and to park free of charge right outside the door - as they can't actually drive inside and do business without heaving themself out of the driving seat). Not so. A significant number of other people also live here, and pay council tax. They too have a right to have their interests considered and sometimes that means that motorists have to take second place. And if we're talking about visitors who don't pay York council tax, hundreds and thousands of them come by train, and are benefiting from improved access to the city centre.


The private car isn't the be-all and end-all. A lot of people clearly think that it sh
' A significant number of other people also live here, and pay council tax. They too have a right to have their interests considered and sometimes that means that motorists have to take second place.'

'Sometimes' would be fine, however in York motorists ALWAYS take second place.
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mjgyork[/bold] wrote: All of the places mentioned by 'inthesticks' DO have bus services. But in common with many car drivers they have to be able to park right outside where they want to be: shops, work etc. So the majority have to be inconvenienced because of their inability to walk even the slightst distances and/or find alternative routes. Well done Mr. Merret DO NOT GIVE IN![/p][/quote]You read my post wrong. I was saying it`s alright for those that have a bus service and gave some examples. If you do any travelling on the A1237 you will know what I mean, if you don`t then fine. The few that this benefits will not understand what the rest of us are saying. What about the many thousands who live in rural areas with no buses at all or very infrequent buses? Thinking of others situations is hard to do and something Mr Merrett who lives within cycling distance of work and who has buses very frequently yards from the front door has failed to do.[/p][/quote]"Thinking of others' situations" must indeed be hard to do, as so many of the motorists who post on here seem to find it impossible. There's a significant lobby who think that their interests should be absolutely paramount, to the complete exclusion of everybody else's: everything must be subordinated to their divine right to drive anywhere they want to go, in the shortest possible time, and to park free of charge right outside the door - as they can't actually drive inside and do business without heaving themself out of the driving seat). Not so. A significant number of other people also live here, and pay council tax. They too have a right to have their interests considered and sometimes that means that motorists have to take second place. And if we're talking about visitors who don't pay York council tax, hundreds and thousands of them come by train, and are benefiting from improved access to the city centre. The private car isn't the be-all and end-all. A lot of people clearly think that it sh[/p][/quote]' A significant number of other people also live here, and pay council tax. They too have a right to have their interests considered and sometimes that means that motorists have to take second place.' 'Sometimes' would be fine, however in York motorists ALWAYS take second place. Happytoliveinyork

5:57pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Yorkie41 says...

simon moreton wrote:
What a load of rubbish I used the bus from Tadcaster road Tesco to York Station 39 minutes at 8.30 in the morning missed my Train will never use that service again
A few Saturdays ago I waited for the Rawcliffe bus to town, and none of them turned up without telling anyone the just diverted them another way because they where picking up so many people on the park and ride hence local people had a very bad service that day.If I had planed catching a train I would have been in the same situation.
[quote][p][bold]simon moreton[/bold] wrote: What a load of rubbish I used the bus from Tadcaster road Tesco to York Station 39 minutes at 8.30 in the morning missed my Train will never use that service again[/p][/quote]A few Saturdays ago I waited for the Rawcliffe bus to town, and none of them turned up without telling anyone the just diverted them another way because they where picking up so many people on the park and ride hence local people had a very bad service that day.If I had planed catching a train I would have been in the same situation. Yorkie41

7:12pm Thu 19 Dec 13

MAC750 says...

Closing the bridge that offers the most direct route between two of the main service points, the railway station and hospital, just doesn't make sense. The fact that this traffic is then going to have to travel a lot further, creating more pollution and is shifted in to residential areas is just crazy.
Closing the bridge that offers the most direct route between two of the main service points, the railway station and hospital, just doesn't make sense. The fact that this traffic is then going to have to travel a lot further, creating more pollution and is shifted in to residential areas is just crazy. MAC750

8:37pm Thu 19 Dec 13

RoseD says...

CHISSY1 wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
CHISSY1 wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
CHISSY1 wrote: And on.
For someone coming from Selby, I can see that this may not of great interest to you. Then don't bother to read or comment on the article, further since this is the second time you have commented why do bother coming back? The closure of the bridge costs me a lot of time, money and business. That's why I criticise the council.
I do not come from Selby,get your facts right please.
You're still coming back to an article that doesn't interest you.... Your name used to say Chissy1, Selby didn't it?
The article does not interest me but the repeated comments week after week does.Find something important to shout about.
The problem is, until I can easily move through town and not be forced to wait 20+ mins and then lug heavy bags up and down; or until I have my right to maneuver through the town restored, the comments WON'T go away.
And obviously it's not just me.

I still am awaiting the plumber to find time to repair an issue, since its not a terrible leak and since he loses so much time per day with the excess travel, we wait still.

How is being forced to travel kms out of my way to reach the train station, when in the past it was a few blocks' drive that, worse case scenario, I could then at least attempt to walk--and cannot now if we're stuck in traffic in the detour -- how does that help me? As someone with a physical limitation, this has impacted me greatly and, like I said I am not the only one.

The town is bisected. There is no easy way for half the city to reach the hospital, nor the other half to reach the train station. I'm all for congestion charging, GEE think how much moola THAT would raise, you could rip off tourists no matter WHERE they are in town. How can No Merrett and Jong Un Alexander possibly be missing that trick?
[quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: And on.[/p][/quote]For someone coming from Selby, I can see that this may not of great interest to you. Then don't bother to read or comment on the article, further since this is the second time you have commented why do bother coming back? The closure of the bridge costs me a lot of time, money and business. That's why I criticise the council.[/p][/quote]I do not come from Selby,get your facts right please.[/p][/quote]You're still coming back to an article that doesn't interest you.... Your name used to say Chissy1, Selby didn't it?[/p][/quote]The article does not interest me but the repeated comments week after week does.Find something important to shout about.[/p][/quote]The problem is, until I can easily move through town and not be forced to wait 20+ mins and then lug heavy bags up and down; or until I have my right to maneuver through the town restored, the comments WON'T go away. And obviously it's not just me. I still am awaiting the plumber to find time to repair an issue, since its not a terrible leak and since he loses so much time per day with the excess travel, we wait still. How is being forced to travel kms out of my way to reach the train station, when in the past it was a few blocks' drive that, worse case scenario, I could then at least attempt to walk--and cannot now if we're stuck in traffic in the detour -- how does that help me? As someone with a physical limitation, this has impacted me greatly and, like I said I am not the only one. The town is bisected. There is no easy way for half the city to reach the hospital, nor the other half to reach the train station. I'm all for congestion charging, GEE think how much moola THAT would raise, you could rip off tourists no matter WHERE they are in town. How can No Merrett and Jong Un Alexander possibly be missing that trick? RoseD

10:58pm Thu 19 Dec 13

jake777 says...

viking99 wrote:
Jake777
Does that not tell you something remove the cars problem solved. Or charge £10 to drive down these roads bet cars get left at home then. and it would take only ten minutes like you said Simple

how to empty a city of every thing and it eventually becomes a ghost town, I only come into York by car for my dentist appointment or hospital check as catching a bus makes a relatively quick journey into a half day excursion
well i guess you would like to opt for the £10 charge then.
[quote][p][bold]viking99[/bold] wrote: Jake777 Does that not tell you something remove the cars problem solved. Or charge £10 to drive down these roads bet cars get left at home then. and it would take only ten minutes like you said Simple how to empty a city of every thing and it eventually becomes a ghost town, I only come into York by car for my dentist appointment or hospital check as catching a bus makes a relatively quick journey into a half day excursion[/p][/quote]well i guess you would like to opt for the £10 charge then. jake777

11:01pm Thu 19 Dec 13

jake777 says...

viking99 wrote:
Jake777
Does that not tell you something remove the cars problem solved. Or charge £10 to drive down these roads bet cars get left at home then. and it would take only ten minutes like you said Simple

how to empty a city of every thing and it eventually becomes a ghost town, I only come into York by car for my dentist appointment or hospital check as catching a bus makes a relatively quick journey into a half day excursion
take it then you would like to pay the £10 charge to drive to your dentist or the hospital.
[quote][p][bold]viking99[/bold] wrote: Jake777 Does that not tell you something remove the cars problem solved. Or charge £10 to drive down these roads bet cars get left at home then. and it would take only ten minutes like you said Simple how to empty a city of every thing and it eventually becomes a ghost town, I only come into York by car for my dentist appointment or hospital check as catching a bus makes a relatively quick journey into a half day excursion[/p][/quote]take it then you would like to pay the £10 charge to drive to your dentist or the hospital. jake777

9:17am Fri 20 Dec 13

Buzzz Light-year says...

Laughing my little socks off at the thumbs up/down conspiracy theories! :D
Laughing my little socks off at the thumbs up/down conspiracy theories! :D Buzzz Light-year

1:12pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Jiffy says...

Hmmm - comments appear to be disappearing again!!
Hmmm - comments appear to be disappearing again!! Jiffy

4:10am Sun 22 Dec 13

Magicman! says...

greenmonkey wrote:
MrsHoney wrote:
OK if you happen to use a bus that goes over Lendal Bridge, what about all the other busses?! What they need to do is sort out the traffic problem near the Mecca Bingo place on Fishergate. Every night it's appalling. We got the bus into town last week for our work xmas dinner and it took 30 mins for what should be a 10 min journey if that, we should've walked (and might have had it not been pouring down). Every time I have to use public transport it discourages me from using it again.
There is simply too much traffic trying to use limited roadspace, and no bus priority to speak of on Fulford Rd. To tackle the problem identified by Mrs Honey either requires lights at Fishergate or a peak time bus only section by the Fishergate shops, with other traffic being routed along Cemetery Rd as per the diversion when the sewer was dug up. That cuts out the merging of two flows outbound at the Cemetery Rd junction, which combined with traffic from Hospital Fields and Fulford School/ the University makes the whole road so slow on an evening. Another issue that needs sorting is to get the Highways Agency to signpost 'York Centre' off the A64 at Copmanthorpe onto Tadcaster Rd rather than telling visitors to continue round the ring road to the A 19 junction!
My suggestion is tweaking Fulford Road from Cemetary Road to the A64 to create a 3rd lane, a 'smart lane' in the centre of the road... overhead gantried distate which direction the middle lane is going in - in the afternoon it would be for outbound traffic, so that vehicles from cemetary road use lane 1 and vehicles from fishergate go into lane 2 (the middle lane). Inbound traffic wanting to go into cemetary road would have to go around the gyratory and kent street; meanwhile I'd have full roundabouts at the end of Piccadilly and the Tower Street/Skeldergate Bridge junction so that traffic from Piccadilly and Tower Street respectively that are wanting to go over Skeldergate Bridge don't have to fool around with having to go round the fishergate gyratory; this would then reduce traffic around that gyratory and enable more inbound traffic from fulford to get into the city.
[quote][p][bold]greenmonkey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsHoney[/bold] wrote: OK if you happen to use a bus that goes over Lendal Bridge, what about all the other busses?! What they need to do is sort out the traffic problem near the Mecca Bingo place on Fishergate. Every night it's appalling. We got the bus into town last week for our work xmas dinner and it took 30 mins for what should be a 10 min journey if that, we should've walked (and might have had it not been pouring down). Every time I have to use public transport it discourages me from using it again.[/p][/quote]There is simply too much traffic trying to use limited roadspace, and no bus priority to speak of on Fulford Rd. To tackle the problem identified by Mrs Honey either requires lights at Fishergate or a peak time bus only section by the Fishergate shops, with other traffic being routed along Cemetery Rd as per the diversion when the sewer was dug up. That cuts out the merging of two flows outbound at the Cemetery Rd junction, which combined with traffic from Hospital Fields and Fulford School/ the University makes the whole road so slow on an evening. Another issue that needs sorting is to get the Highways Agency to signpost 'York Centre' off the A64 at Copmanthorpe onto Tadcaster Rd rather than telling visitors to continue round the ring road to the A 19 junction![/p][/quote]My suggestion is tweaking Fulford Road from Cemetary Road to the A64 to create a 3rd lane, a 'smart lane' in the centre of the road... overhead gantried distate which direction the middle lane is going in - in the afternoon it would be for outbound traffic, so that vehicles from cemetary road use lane 1 and vehicles from fishergate go into lane 2 (the middle lane). Inbound traffic wanting to go into cemetary road would have to go around the gyratory and kent street; meanwhile I'd have full roundabouts at the end of Piccadilly and the Tower Street/Skeldergate Bridge junction so that traffic from Piccadilly and Tower Street respectively that are wanting to go over Skeldergate Bridge don't have to fool around with having to go round the fishergate gyratory; this would then reduce traffic around that gyratory and enable more inbound traffic from fulford to get into the city. Magicman!

10:50am Mon 23 Dec 13

AGuyFromStrensall says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Laughing my little socks off at the thumbs up/down conspiracy theories! :D
And whoever is hacking the press website is laughing their little socks off at you by voting you massively down...
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Laughing my little socks off at the thumbs up/down conspiracy theories! :D[/p][/quote]And whoever is hacking the press website is laughing their little socks off at you by voting you massively down... AGuyFromStrensall

1:43pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Starboard22 says...

It is reassuring to know that my Lendal Bridge £30 has paid for a few more sandbags. Roll on more rain HA HA HA....
It is reassuring to know that my Lendal Bridge £30 has paid for a few more sandbags. Roll on more rain HA HA HA.... Starboard22

8:50am Wed 25 Dec 13

Meldrew2 says...

Caecilius wrote:
roskoboskovic wrote:
the bridge closure has caused havoc around prices lane,skeldergate bridge and barbican road-foss islands road yet merrett appears to be in denial.the fact that a few buses move slightly faster is irrelevant when compared with the disruption.
I cross Skeldergate Bridge late every afternoon. There's zero difference between the amount of traffic now and the amount there was on it before Lendal Bridge was closed: there's no trace of the city centre gridlock that the car lobby was predicting. This is of a piece with those city centre traders, like the gentleman on 'Look North' last night, who loudly blame a reduction in turnover on the closure without having a shred of evidence. The city centre is packed (figures show footfall has actually increased);their shops are in a pedestrianized area anyway, and people who insist on driving into York can still use the same car parks they did before, with exactly the same distance to walk from the car park to the shop. Interesting that the other businessman interviewed, though he felt obliged to make supportive noises, admitted that his sales hadn't fallen at all.

As for the congestion elsewhere, it was there before and it'll be there after the end of the trial, whether the closure is made permanent (which I hope it is) or not. It'll always be there, unless and until car use declines. If it doesn't decline, then people who use cars should be the ones who take the consequences, and decent provision should be made for those who use other means of travel. It's only fair.
Skeldergate Bridge is a bridge to nowhere. The closure of Ledal Bridge means that those wishing to get to the hospital or on the A19 towards Skelton have to use the outer ring road or Ouse Bridge. Traffic on the latter has increased drastically and I should know - I've crossed it every day for the last 7 years.

I only ever use Skeldergate Bridge if I need to drop someone off near Coney St. It's a short cut through the city but ends up either on Skeldergate Bridge, Lendal or at the top of Micklegate - all affected by the closure of Lendal Bridge.
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roskoboskovic[/bold] wrote: the bridge closure has caused havoc around prices lane,skeldergate bridge and barbican road-foss islands road yet merrett appears to be in denial.the fact that a few buses move slightly faster is irrelevant when compared with the disruption.[/p][/quote]I cross Skeldergate Bridge late every afternoon. There's zero difference between the amount of traffic now and the amount there was on it before Lendal Bridge was closed: there's no trace of the city centre gridlock that the car lobby was predicting. This is of a piece with those city centre traders, like the gentleman on 'Look North' last night, who loudly blame a reduction in turnover on the closure without having a shred of evidence. The city centre is packed (figures show footfall has actually increased);their shops are in a pedestrianized area anyway, and people who insist on driving into York can still use the same car parks they did before, with exactly the same distance to walk from the car park to the shop. Interesting that the other businessman interviewed, though he felt obliged to make supportive noises, admitted that his sales hadn't fallen at all. As for the congestion elsewhere, it was there before and it'll be there after the end of the trial, whether the closure is made permanent (which I hope it is) or not. It'll always be there, unless and until car use declines. If it doesn't decline, then people who use cars should be the ones who take the consequences, and decent provision should be made for those who use other means of travel. It's only fair.[/p][/quote]Skeldergate Bridge is a bridge to nowhere. The closure of Ledal Bridge means that those wishing to get to the hospital or on the A19 towards Skelton have to use the outer ring road or Ouse Bridge. Traffic on the latter has increased drastically and I should know - I've crossed it every day for the last 7 years. I only ever use Skeldergate Bridge if I need to drop someone off near Coney St. It's a short cut through the city but ends up either on Skeldergate Bridge, Lendal or at the top of Micklegate - all affected by the closure of Lendal Bridge. Meldrew2

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