City of York Council signs up to 'right to grow' house building policy

York Press: City of York Council signs up to 'right to grow' building project City of York Council signs up to 'right to grow' building project

YORK’S Labour-controlled council has signed up to the national party’s housing plans which could see neighbouring councils forced to release land for York housing projects.

York, along with Labour-controlled councils in Stevenage, Oxford and Luton, would be labelled a “right to grow” council under a Labour government, Ed Miliband announced yesterday.

But the scheme has been criticised by both national and local Conservative parties, who have dismissed it as political grandstanding.

York council leader James Alexander said: “This is an acknowledgement that York needs more homes and we are in the driving seat of the national Labour party agenda.”

Nationally, the Labour party has launched an independent housing commission, led by former BBC chairman Sir Michael Lyons, which York council will be working with.

Coun Alexander welcomed plans for a “use it or lose it” scheme announced by Ed Miliband in June, which would give councils greater powers over “land banking” developers who do not build on land they own and have planning permission on.

He said York has worked with private-sector developers and has seen progress on brownfield sites, but there are times when councils need to ensure developers deliver homes.

Coun Alexander added: “City of York Council has a good working relationship with neighbouring Conservative authorities and we work in partnership to deliver jobs and homes for all our residents but there is significant opposition in York from Conservative and Liberal Democrats who do not want to see Labour deliver new homes over the long term for short-term political advantage.

“But we cannot have a situation where we cannot provide homes in York and the neighbouring authorities are not providing them either.”

Opposition Tory councillors in York have criticised the scheme.

Conservative leader Ian Gillies said: “We don’t believe York residents will be impressed that the leader of the opposition party has announced that their city has a “right” to grow, nor that our attention-seeking council leader has eagerly volunteered York for more party political publicity.

“Conservatives stand for bringing residents into the planning process for new homes and ensuring they have a say in what happens in their localities, unlike the Labour Party who merely wish to bully people into accepting whatever Labour think is good for them. We want new houses, but we want democracy too.”

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10:29am Tue 17 Dec 13

Madasanibbotson says...

Jimmy Alexander obviously thinks he is related to the North Korean leader, not only in looks.
No doubt if you have 2 green bins, the council spies will consider you have enough room for a five storey social house in your garden.

Time to go Jimmy Alexander, Simply-Laing and No Merrett.
Jimmy Alexander obviously thinks he is related to the North Korean leader, not only in looks. No doubt if you have 2 green bins, the council spies will consider you have enough room for a five storey social house in your garden. Time to go Jimmy Alexander, Simply-Laing and No Merrett. Madasanibbotson

10:39am Tue 17 Dec 13

Mr. Marcus says...

Jim Il thinks that York labour party is in the vanguard of the Labour Party in this country.
This man is so .full of himself..
The fact is the Labour Party in York is a sinking ship with him in the helm.
I voted Labour in 2010 in York. Never again.
I suspect more former Labour voters will vote anything but Labour in the local elections from now on.
Jim Il thinks that York labour party is in the vanguard of the Labour Party in this country. This man is so .full of himself.. The fact is the Labour Party in York is a sinking ship with him in the helm. I voted Labour in 2010 in York. Never again. I suspect more former Labour voters will vote anything but Labour in the local elections from now on. Mr. Marcus

10:54am Tue 17 Dec 13

LibDem says...

Labour have admitted that to address"natural growth" we need around 500 additional homes in the City each year. This will cater for the 2000 who are on the housing waiting list plus the additional families that are being formed each year (and also accommodates the longer lifespans we all now enjoy).

At the most, this means that around 12,000 additional homes may be needed over the next 25 years.

There are brownfield sites (like York North West) available to cater for these numbers.

Labour are now actually planning to build 22,000 additional homes over the next 15 years, mainly on green field sites. Most of these would be occupied by inward migrants.

Now Labour are saying that housing developers are "hoarding" land.

If so, they should be specific about which sites they are talking about?

It beggars belief that, having threatened the very character of the City of York, James Alexander now apparently intends to adopt a "Sudetenland" approach to the Selby, Ryedale and Harrogate areas.

Fortunately it will only take an election defeat in 2015 to stop him.
Labour have admitted that to address"natural growth" we need around 500 additional homes in the City each year. This will cater for the 2000 who are on the housing waiting list plus the additional families that are being formed each year (and also accommodates the longer lifespans we all now enjoy). At the most, this means that around 12,000 additional homes may be needed over the next 25 years. There are brownfield sites (like York North West) available to cater for these numbers. Labour are now actually planning to build 22,000 additional homes over the next 15 years, mainly on green field sites. Most of these would be occupied by inward migrants. Now Labour are saying that housing developers are "hoarding" land. If so, they should be specific about which sites they are talking about? It beggars belief that, having threatened the very character of the City of York, James Alexander now apparently intends to adopt a "Sudetenland" approach to the Selby, Ryedale and Harrogate areas. Fortunately it will only take an election defeat in 2015 to stop him. LibDem

11:01am Tue 17 Dec 13

Madasanibbotson says...

LibDem wrote:
Labour have admitted that to address"natural growth" we need around 500 additional homes in the City each year. This will cater for the 2000 who are on the housing waiting list plus the additional families that are being formed each year (and also accommodates the longer lifespans we all now enjoy).

At the most, this means that around 12,000 additional homes may be needed over the next 25 years.

There are brownfield sites (like York North West) available to cater for these numbers.

Labour are now actually planning to build 22,000 additional homes over the next 15 years, mainly on green field sites. Most of these would be occupied by inward migrants.

Now Labour are saying that housing developers are "hoarding" land.

If so, they should be specific about which sites they are talking about?

It beggars belief that, having threatened the very character of the City of York, James Alexander now apparently intends to adopt a "Sudetenland" approach to the Selby, Ryedale and Harrogate areas.

Fortunately it will only take an election defeat in 2015 to stop him.
Giving details isn't possible when your policies are designed on the back of a cigarette packet (Sorry Simply-Lain I know you told us to stop).

The use the green belt policy was a result of
1) Book a room for a meeting
2) Wait for Merrett to arrive on his bike
3) Wait for Simply-Laing to finish a photo shoot
4) Get a map of York (on expenses)
5) Colour in Labour areas
6) Pick the green fields that aren't coloured red.
7) Job done-policy for next 25 years-time taken 5 minutes
8) Forgot-fill out expense forms and contact PR department to organise photo shoot
[quote][p][bold]LibDem[/bold] wrote: Labour have admitted that to address"natural growth" we need around 500 additional homes in the City each year. This will cater for the 2000 who are on the housing waiting list plus the additional families that are being formed each year (and also accommodates the longer lifespans we all now enjoy). At the most, this means that around 12,000 additional homes may be needed over the next 25 years. There are brownfield sites (like York North West) available to cater for these numbers. Labour are now actually planning to build 22,000 additional homes over the next 15 years, mainly on green field sites. Most of these would be occupied by inward migrants. Now Labour are saying that housing developers are "hoarding" land. If so, they should be specific about which sites they are talking about? It beggars belief that, having threatened the very character of the City of York, James Alexander now apparently intends to adopt a "Sudetenland" approach to the Selby, Ryedale and Harrogate areas. Fortunately it will only take an election defeat in 2015 to stop him.[/p][/quote]Giving details isn't possible when your policies are designed on the back of a cigarette packet (Sorry Simply-Lain I know you told us to stop). The use the green belt policy was a result of 1) Book a room for a meeting 2) Wait for Merrett to arrive on his bike 3) Wait for Simply-Laing to finish a photo shoot 4) Get a map of York (on expenses) 5) Colour in Labour areas 6) Pick the green fields that aren't coloured red. 7) Job done-policy for next 25 years-time taken 5 minutes 8) Forgot-fill out expense forms and contact PR department to organise photo shoot Madasanibbotson

11:37am Tue 17 Dec 13

nowthen says...

York council leader James Alexander said: “This is an acknowledgement that York needs more homes and we are in the driving seat of the national Labour party agenda.......... Yes you are in the driving seat James ; the driving seat of a bulldozer pushing aside engagement with the electorate , burying democracy and freedom of speech a bulldozer camouflaged in spin ,deceit and secrecy. And all this in the name of flawed political dogma. Not to worry though, not long until your licence is revoked.
York council leader James Alexander said: “This is an acknowledgement that York needs more homes and we are in the driving seat of the national Labour party agenda.......... Yes you are in the driving seat James ; the driving seat of a bulldozer pushing aside engagement with the electorate , burying democracy and freedom of speech a bulldozer camouflaged in spin ,deceit and secrecy. And all this in the name of flawed political dogma. Not to worry though, not long until your licence is revoked. nowthen

11:43am Tue 17 Dec 13

Rocking Horse says...

York council leader James Alexander said: “This is an acknowledgement that York needs more homes and we are in the driving seat of the national Labour party agenda.”


Delusional and power-obsessed, it's all about control with Alexander.

Using York for his and the Labour party's ends.

Vote him and his disastrous Labour administration out in 2015.
[quote] York council leader James Alexander said: “This is an acknowledgement that York needs more homes and we are in the driving seat of the national Labour party agenda.” [/quote] Delusional and power-obsessed, it's all about control with Alexander. Using York for his and the Labour party's ends. Vote him and his disastrous Labour administration out in 2015. Rocking Horse

11:55am Tue 17 Dec 13

Shouter says...

This loony Labour lot are unbelievable. Not content with spoiling York they now have cast their greedy eyes on the countryside of neighbouring councils.
This loony Labour lot are unbelievable. Not content with spoiling York they now have cast their greedy eyes on the countryside of neighbouring councils. Shouter

12:12pm Tue 17 Dec 13

spiritofyork says...

With a TORY landlisde widely predicted in 2015 this simply won't happen in time.

York is full, we don't need more houses. We need those who own their houses to be protected against the devaluing of their homes by building social housing nearby.

The communists have 18 months left, and counting.
With a TORY landlisde widely predicted in 2015 this simply won't happen in time. York is full, we don't need more houses. We need those who own their houses to be protected against the devaluing of their homes by building social housing nearby. The communists have 18 months left, and counting. spiritofyork

12:30pm Tue 17 Dec 13

tobefair says...

They can sign up to as many schemes as they like but with the council's affordable housing quotas it isn't going to happen anyway.
They can sign up to as many schemes as they like but with the council's affordable housing quotas it isn't going to happen anyway. tobefair

12:40pm Tue 17 Dec 13

meme says...

So another report by Sir M Lyons a professional report writer for the government etc...Jobs for the boys eh!.I wish I was on this gravy train!!
Every report he writes is full of pages of recommendations of which very few are practical or taken up! anyone remember his epic report which was going to lead to lots of government departments leaving London? Nothing happened!
So another report by Sir M Lyons a professional report writer for the government etc...Jobs for the boys eh!.I wish I was on this gravy train!! Every report he writes is full of pages of recommendations of which very few are practical or taken up! anyone remember his epic report which was going to lead to lots of government departments leaving London? Nothing happened! meme

12:55pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Dave Ruddock says...

Can we ever get to the situation that all parties can agree on something, no wounder there is bickering and stalemants, This is the REAL WORLD, not a playschool (he did this, I want that.. As for council land graping , I believe The City of York is rather "Unique" in that its a city in no countyand has been for a number of hundreds of years, Use Brown Sites and Small Tower.Blockes of flats, not houndreds os Acre plot lands, that only a few will be housed. B y the time anyone party or person desides, youll need twice the acrage or number of homes. Also I believe we are getting very close to the OLD LABOUR
Can we ever get to the situation that all parties can agree on something, no wounder there is bickering and stalemants, This is the REAL WORLD, not a playschool (he did this, I want that.. As for council land graping , I believe The City of York is rather "Unique" in that its a city in no countyand has been for a number of hundreds of years, Use Brown Sites and Small Tower.Blockes of flats, not houndreds os Acre plot lands, that only a few will be housed. B y the time anyone party or person desides, youll need twice the acrage or number of homes. Also I believe we are getting very close to the OLD LABOUR Dave Ruddock

1:12pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Rocking Horse says...

This is just headline-grabbing bluster from Alexander, a triumph of empty words over substance.

The reality is that York will not achieve it's housing targets, as there is insufficient capacity in the housebuilding sector, and growth will be limited. There is too much risk caused by regulatory burden, and only the big national plc's have the appetite for it, because it's becoming an oligopoly.

If Alexander had any confidence in his housing ambitions, he would force council officers to update their housing trajectory prediction.This hasn't been updated since the AMR for 2010/11, as they are scared to make predictions because this will expose the failure of their targets.

In 2011/12 under the Labour administration, York had it's record low housing completions of 321, and record low planning consents of 174. If they think they can achieve 1,090 completions a year, they are in cloud cuckoo land !

Alexander is all talk, and has nothing to back up his rhetoric.
This is just headline-grabbing bluster from Alexander, a triumph of empty words over substance. The reality is that York will not achieve it's housing targets, as there is insufficient capacity in the housebuilding sector, and growth will be limited. There is too much risk caused by regulatory burden, and only the big national plc's have the appetite for it, because it's becoming an oligopoly. If Alexander had any confidence in his housing ambitions, he would force council officers to update their housing trajectory prediction.This hasn't been updated since the AMR for 2010/11, as they are scared to make predictions because this will expose the failure of their targets. In 2011/12 under the Labour administration, York had it's record low housing completions of 321, and record low planning consents of 174. If they think they can achieve 1,090 completions a year, they are in cloud cuckoo land ! Alexander is all talk, and has nothing to back up his rhetoric. Rocking Horse

2:16pm Tue 17 Dec 13

stevehuntington says...

It is time Mr Alexander revisited his own labour page and reminded himself of one of his personal statements " I believe in standing up for local people". Do it then and listen to all the comments made regarding building on green field sites and the lack of thought for local road networks and schools etc.Has he ever been up to Huntington at this time of year and seen the amount of traffic queuing to get to Monks Cross? And that is before the new site opens. Maybe he wants to close Malton road to traffic during day time hours and only allow buses and taxis through because lets face it closing Lendal bridge certainly "stands up for and helps the local people"... Not.
It is time Mr Alexander revisited his own labour page and reminded himself of one of his personal statements " I believe in standing up for local people". Do it then and listen to all the comments made regarding building on green field sites and the lack of thought for local road networks and schools etc.Has he ever been up to Huntington at this time of year and seen the amount of traffic queuing to get to Monks Cross? And that is before the new site opens. Maybe he wants to close Malton road to traffic during day time hours and only allow buses and taxis through because lets face it closing Lendal bridge certainly "stands up for and helps the local people"... Not. stevehuntington

2:43pm Tue 17 Dec 13

MarkyMarkMark says...

A massive National Labour Party home goal, surely? If I thought my neighbouring Local Authority was going to be allowed to impose it's housing policy on my area, I'd definitely not be voting for a Government/party that would make it a reality.

Whatever happened to the idea of local decisions for local people?

and....
"York council leader James Alexander said: “This is an acknowledgement that .... we are in the driving seat of the national Labour party agenda.”"

I can think of nothing more likely to stop me voting Labour in the next General Election.
A massive National Labour Party home goal, surely? If I thought my neighbouring Local Authority was going to be allowed to impose it's housing policy on my area, I'd definitely not be voting for a Government/party that would make it a reality. Whatever happened to the idea of local decisions for local people? and.... "York council leader James Alexander said: “This is an acknowledgement that .... we are in the driving seat of the national Labour party agenda.”" I can think of nothing more likely to stop me voting Labour in the next General Election. MarkyMarkMark

3:13pm Tue 17 Dec 13

asd says...

spiritofyork wrote:
With a TORY landlisde widely predicted in 2015 this simply won't happen in time. York is full, we don't need more houses. We need those who own their houses to be protected against the devaluing of their homes by building social housing nearby. The communists have 18 months left, and counting.
You patronising person, so young people, disabled and whoever have become holmeless due to no fault of there own, should not have social housing because people like you want your property prices to remain high. Rather be a communist than a fascist like you.
[quote][p][bold]spiritofyork[/bold] wrote: With a TORY landlisde widely predicted in 2015 this simply won't happen in time. York is full, we don't need more houses. We need those who own their houses to be protected against the devaluing of their homes by building social housing nearby. The communists have 18 months left, and counting.[/p][/quote]You patronising person, so young people, disabled and whoever have become holmeless due to no fault of there own, should not have social housing because people like you want your property prices to remain high. Rather be a communist than a fascist like you. asd

3:34pm Tue 17 Dec 13

long distance depressive says...

Own goal!
Own goal! long distance depressive

3:54pm Tue 17 Dec 13

YorkPatrol says...

asd wrote:
spiritofyork wrote: With a TORY landlisde widely predicted in 2015 this simply won't happen in time. York is full, we don't need more houses. We need those who own their houses to be protected against the devaluing of their homes by building social housing nearby. The communists have 18 months left, and counting.
You patronising person, so young people, disabled and whoever have become holmeless due to no fault of there own, should not have social housing because people like you want your property prices to remain high. Rather be a communist than a fascist like you.
Yes, correct - I agree with spiritofyork. I would hate for a social housing estate to be built near me, as would many more if they dare admit it.

Question - Why in your small mind should young people be entitled to social housing?? What, just because they are young?
[quote][p][bold]asd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spiritofyork[/bold] wrote: With a TORY landlisde widely predicted in 2015 this simply won't happen in time. York is full, we don't need more houses. We need those who own their houses to be protected against the devaluing of their homes by building social housing nearby. The communists have 18 months left, and counting.[/p][/quote]You patronising person, so young people, disabled and whoever have become holmeless due to no fault of there own, should not have social housing because people like you want your property prices to remain high. Rather be a communist than a fascist like you.[/p][/quote]Yes, correct - I agree with spiritofyork. I would hate for a social housing estate to be built near me, as would many more if they dare admit it. Question - Why in your small mind should young people be entitled to social housing?? What, just because they are young? YorkPatrol

4:05pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Madasanibbotson says...

PRESS RELEASE

I Kim Jong-un as leader of North Korea will say on behalf of myself and my good friend and lookalike from York Jimmy Wrong-Un Alexander that the idea of
1) Freedom of Speech
2) Human Rights
3) Democracy

DO NOT EXIST

We decide and you have to follow, no discussion.

Whilst Jimmy and I are young and have zero experience we rely on our colleagues (servants) to give us ideas how to control the citizens.
Jimmy has Simply-Laing who keeps appearing in photo-shoots and instructs people to stop smoking and No Merrett who can stop people travelling with his wonderful ideas for stopping people visiting York without the need for an Army (such as I command).

These assistants know they can be airbrushed from history very easily when I/we get bored with them.

I do worry about Jimmy policy of using all your English fields to build houses as this will join cities together and make control harder for us. But I understand he wants to be an MP in Leeds and joining Leeds to York would make his Kingdom bigger.
PRESS RELEASE I Kim Jong-un as leader of North Korea will say on behalf of myself and my good friend and lookalike from York Jimmy Wrong-Un Alexander that the idea of 1) Freedom of Speech 2) Human Rights 3) Democracy DO NOT EXIST We decide and you have to follow, no discussion. Whilst Jimmy and I are young and have zero experience we rely on our colleagues (servants) to give us ideas how to control the citizens. Jimmy has Simply-Laing who keeps appearing in photo-shoots and instructs people to stop smoking and No Merrett who can stop people travelling with his wonderful ideas for stopping people visiting York without the need for an Army (such as I command). These assistants know they can be airbrushed from history very easily when I/we get bored with them. I do worry about Jimmy policy of using all your English fields to build houses as this will join cities together and make control harder for us. But I understand he wants to be an MP in Leeds and joining Leeds to York would make his Kingdom bigger. Madasanibbotson

4:34pm Tue 17 Dec 13

meme says...

Now lets be clear THERE IS NOT ENOUGH BROWNFIELD to satisfy this Councils policies for both market AND affordable housing.
If all the land which is brownfield were allocated to affordable housing then they may satisfy that target but who pays for it?
The only way they think they can deliver is to burden private housebuilders with delivery and look what's happened to the housing numbers as a direct result of this policy...Total collapse of numbers...so Kim and his pals are trying approach number 2 by flooding the market with land and seeing if that make sit viable to build both but because they don't understand business they have not realised that their section 106 demands as well as green policies force prices up and so affordable cannot be delivered.
so where do we go from here. well nay fool can tell you that affordable needs to be subsidised by central Gov't or local government as placing the burden on business which has to make a profit to survive just stifles supply and forces prices up in an area of high demand but do our esteemed leaders realise this......No they don't or don't want to!
I want a balanced housing market with homes all can afford from the richest to the poorest but unfortunately our councils policies are making homes more unaffordable not more affordable. Perhaps when there is a purge as in N Korea this unfortunate administration who patently cannot now get it right whatever they do as people have turned their backs on them will be airbrushed from history but unfortunately their mistakes will haunt us for years to come!
Now lets be clear THERE IS NOT ENOUGH BROWNFIELD to satisfy this Councils policies for both market AND affordable housing. If all the land which is brownfield were allocated to affordable housing then they may satisfy that target but who pays for it? The only way they think they can deliver is to burden private housebuilders with delivery and look what's happened to the housing numbers as a direct result of this policy...Total collapse of numbers...so Kim and his pals are trying approach number 2 by flooding the market with land and seeing if that make sit viable to build both but because they don't understand business they have not realised that their section 106 demands as well as green policies force prices up and so affordable cannot be delivered. so where do we go from here. well nay fool can tell you that affordable needs to be subsidised by central Gov't or local government as placing the burden on business which has to make a profit to survive just stifles supply and forces prices up in an area of high demand but do our esteemed leaders realise this......No they don't or don't want to! I want a balanced housing market with homes all can afford from the richest to the poorest but unfortunately our councils policies are making homes more unaffordable not more affordable. Perhaps when there is a purge as in N Korea this unfortunate administration who patently cannot now get it right whatever they do as people have turned their backs on them will be airbrushed from history but unfortunately their mistakes will haunt us for years to come! meme

5:06pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Rocking Horse says...

Meme's comment at 4.34pm is spot on.

You only need to look at. the following to see the mess York's housing figures are in..

York's housing completions
2004/05: 1,160
2005/06: 906
2006/07: 798
2007/08: 523
2008/09: 451
2009/10: 507
2010/11: 514
2011/12: 321
2012/13: 482

York's Housing Planning Consents
2004/05: 859
2005/06: 1,176
2006/07: 1,316
2007/08: 1,629
2008/09: 534
2009/10: 182
2010/11: 198
2011/12: 174
2012/13: 315

These are the figures that the Council don't want you to see, because they prove what a mess we are in, and that Alexander's target of 1,090 dwellings per year is impossible !
Meme's comment at 4.34pm is spot on. You only need to look at. the following to see the mess York's housing figures are in.. York's housing completions 2004/05: 1,160 2005/06: 906 2006/07: 798 2007/08: 523 2008/09: 451 2009/10: 507 2010/11: 514 2011/12: 321 2012/13: 482 York's Housing Planning Consents 2004/05: 859 2005/06: 1,176 2006/07: 1,316 2007/08: 1,629 2008/09: 534 2009/10: 182 2010/11: 198 2011/12: 174 2012/13: 315 These are the figures that the Council don't want you to see, because they prove what a mess we are in, and that Alexander's target of 1,090 dwellings per year is impossible ! Rocking Horse

5:11pm Tue 17 Dec 13

meme says...

see story above His goose is well and truly cooked.
and arn't geese expensive? over £100 each!!
How the hell do you rustle 100 geese without anyone noticing! and what do you do with them before you kill them?.Hide them under bed!! tuck them up your jumper?
see story above His goose is well and truly cooked. and arn't geese expensive? over £100 each!! How the hell do you rustle 100 geese without anyone noticing! and what do you do with them before you kill them?.Hide them under bed!! tuck them up your jumper? meme

5:14pm Tue 17 Dec 13

chelk says...

My opinion is this Council are a bunch of Dictators like all dictators they do not listen and think that only they know best. The Muppet Show will continue until May 2015
My opinion is this Council are a bunch of Dictators like all dictators they do not listen and think that only they know best. The Muppet Show will continue until May 2015 chelk

5:30pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Fabius the Delayer says...

meme wrote:
see story above His goose is well and truly cooked.
and arn't geese expensive? over £100 each!!
How the hell do you rustle 100 geese without anyone noticing! and what do you do with them before you kill them?.Hide them under bed!! tuck them up your jumper?
I agree the Geese story is far more interesting why cant we comment on this, the fact that geese in york are valued at £176 A'Pice is amazing,
are these Golden Geese,
Has anybody noticed a Beanstalk near by ???
[quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: see story above His goose is well and truly cooked. and arn't geese expensive? over £100 each!! How the hell do you rustle 100 geese without anyone noticing! and what do you do with them before you kill them?.Hide them under bed!! tuck them up your jumper?[/p][/quote]I agree the Geese story is far more interesting why cant we comment on this, the fact that geese in york are valued at £176 A'Pice is amazing, are these Golden Geese, Has anybody noticed a Beanstalk near by ??? Fabius the Delayer

5:39pm Tue 17 Dec 13

CaroleBaines says...

Sounds a bit dubious to me this scheme. Although Gillies implying only Labour politicians are attention seeking is hilarious. All as bad as each other, surely? Boris Johnson anyone -or that dreadful Tory woman who abandoned her constituents to play 'I'm a Celebrity Get me out of here;' or some such jungle nonsense. Nigel Ayre at Wembley! Mr Bayley in the Press most nights? All of them.

Anyone who believes a word politicians say needs some reality in their lives. In my very humble opinion, obviously!
Sounds a bit dubious to me this scheme. Although Gillies implying only Labour politicians are attention seeking is hilarious. All as bad as each other, surely? Boris Johnson anyone -or that dreadful Tory woman who abandoned her constituents to play 'I'm a Celebrity Get me out of here;' or some such jungle nonsense. Nigel Ayre at Wembley! Mr Bayley in the Press most nights? All of them. Anyone who believes a word politicians say needs some reality in their lives. In my very humble opinion, obviously! CaroleBaines

9:26pm Tue 17 Dec 13

CaroleBaines says...

Rocking Horse wrote:
Meme's comment at 4.34pm is spot on.

You only need to look at. the following to see the mess York's housing figures are in..

York's housing completions
2004/05: 1,160
2005/06: 906
2006/07: 798
2007/08: 523
2008/09: 451
2009/10: 507
2010/11: 514
2011/12: 321
2012/13: 482

York's Housing Planning Consents
2004/05: 859
2005/06: 1,176
2006/07: 1,316
2007/08: 1,629
2008/09: 534
2009/10: 182
2010/11: 198
2011/12: 174
2012/13: 315

These are the figures that the Council don't want you to see, because they prove what a mess we are in, and that Alexander's target of 1,090 dwellings per year is impossible !
Look am with you re affordable housing policy. It is flawed. But what about the abolition of the Rent Cap and misguided Right to Buy policies of the 1980s? There was no housing shortage until those two little bombshells and then building of affordable homes stopped, we got the housing bubble and now this mess. At the moment, public money goes into landlord hands through extortionate rents being paid by welfare for those unable to work. Pre Rent Cap and pre Council House stock massacre you at least got money staying in the **** system. Heck - its obvious to even the biggest idiot.

I blame successive governments for this fiasco - Labour and Conservative. They allowed the death of social housing. The problem of housing in the UK goes deeper than bloomin Alexander, unless you are some sort one one-eyed internet troll with a vendetta???
[quote][p][bold]Rocking Horse[/bold] wrote: Meme's comment at 4.34pm is spot on. You only need to look at. the following to see the mess York's housing figures are in.. York's housing completions 2004/05: 1,160 2005/06: 906 2006/07: 798 2007/08: 523 2008/09: 451 2009/10: 507 2010/11: 514 2011/12: 321 2012/13: 482 York's Housing Planning Consents 2004/05: 859 2005/06: 1,176 2006/07: 1,316 2007/08: 1,629 2008/09: 534 2009/10: 182 2010/11: 198 2011/12: 174 2012/13: 315 These are the figures that the Council don't want you to see, because they prove what a mess we are in, and that Alexander's target of 1,090 dwellings per year is impossible ![/p][/quote]Look am with you re affordable housing policy. It is flawed. But what about the abolition of the Rent Cap and misguided Right to Buy policies of the 1980s? There was no housing shortage until those two little bombshells and then building of affordable homes stopped, we got the housing bubble and now this mess. At the moment, public money goes into landlord hands through extortionate rents being paid by welfare for those unable to work. Pre Rent Cap and pre Council House stock massacre you at least got money staying in the **** system. Heck - its obvious to even the biggest idiot. I blame successive governments for this fiasco - Labour and Conservative. They allowed the death of social housing. The problem of housing in the UK goes deeper than bloomin Alexander, unless you are some sort one one-eyed internet troll with a vendetta??? CaroleBaines

12:52am Wed 18 Dec 13

Rocking Horse says...

Carole

Thanks for agreeing that the affordable housing policy/system (by S106) is flawed.

I agree with you that both Labour and Conservatives are responsible for the lack of social housing, neither built enough, but Labour (under Blair/Brown) did in fact build half as many each year they were in power compared with the previous tory government (under Thatcher/Major).

York Council do however deserve to be singled out for their mismanagement of their AH policy; and both Lib Dems and Labour are culpable, plus the officers involved in advising them on this. Their biggest crime is not admitting, or learning, from their mistakes, which they have been deceitful and dishonest in attempting to hide. I am not a troll with a vendetta, I am an angry York citizen, who knows the truth, but who has been unfairly demonised by the council.
Carole Thanks for agreeing that the affordable housing policy/system (by S106) is flawed. I agree with you that both Labour and Conservatives are responsible for the lack of social housing, neither built enough, but Labour (under Blair/Brown) did in fact build half as many each year they were in power compared with the previous tory government (under Thatcher/Major). York Council do however deserve to be singled out for their mismanagement of their AH policy; and both Lib Dems and Labour are culpable, plus the officers involved in advising them on this. Their biggest crime is not admitting, or learning, from their mistakes, which they have been deceitful and dishonest in attempting to hide. I am not a troll with a vendetta, I am an angry York citizen, who knows the truth, but who has been unfairly demonised by the council. Rocking Horse

8:42am Wed 18 Dec 13

CaroleBaines says...

Rocking Horse wrote:
Carole

Thanks for agreeing that the affordable housing policy/system (by S106) is flawed.

I agree with you that both Labour and Conservatives are responsible for the lack of social housing, neither built enough, but Labour (under Blair/Brown) did in fact build half as many each year they were in power compared with the previous tory government (under Thatcher/Major).

York Council do however deserve to be singled out for their mismanagement of their AH policy; and both Lib Dems and Labour are culpable, plus the officers involved in advising them on this. Their biggest crime is not admitting, or learning, from their mistakes, which they have been deceitful and dishonest in attempting to hide. I am not a troll with a vendetta, I am an angry York citizen, who knows the truth, but who has been unfairly demonised by the council.
Fair enough. Reasoned response.

Answer is to build more houses, does not matter who or even price. Have they never heard of market economics setting affordable prices if supply is sufficient? But as we agree, governments on all sides over the last thirty to forty year have done little but fan the flames of the (true) crisis we see now.
[quote][p][bold]Rocking Horse[/bold] wrote: Carole Thanks for agreeing that the affordable housing policy/system (by S106) is flawed. I agree with you that both Labour and Conservatives are responsible for the lack of social housing, neither built enough, but Labour (under Blair/Brown) did in fact build half as many each year they were in power compared with the previous tory government (under Thatcher/Major). York Council do however deserve to be singled out for their mismanagement of their AH policy; and both Lib Dems and Labour are culpable, plus the officers involved in advising them on this. Their biggest crime is not admitting, or learning, from their mistakes, which they have been deceitful and dishonest in attempting to hide. I am not a troll with a vendetta, I am an angry York citizen, who knows the truth, but who has been unfairly demonised by the council.[/p][/quote]Fair enough. Reasoned response. Answer is to build more houses, does not matter who or even price. Have they never heard of market economics setting affordable prices if supply is sufficient? But as we agree, governments on all sides over the last thirty to forty year have done little but fan the flames of the (true) crisis we see now. CaroleBaines

1:30pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Rocking Horse says...

CaroleBaines wrote:
Rocking Horse wrote: Carole Thanks for agreeing that the affordable housing policy/system (by S106) is flawed. I agree with you that both Labour and Conservatives are responsible for the lack of social housing, neither built enough, but Labour (under Blair/Brown) did in fact build half as many each year they were in power compared with the previous tory government (under Thatcher/Major). York Council do however deserve to be singled out for their mismanagement of their AH policy; and both Lib Dems and Labour are culpable, plus the officers involved in advising them on this. Their biggest crime is not admitting, or learning, from their mistakes, which they have been deceitful and dishonest in attempting to hide. I am not a troll with a vendetta, I am an angry York citizen, who knows the truth, but who has been unfairly demonised by the council.
Fair enough. Reasoned response. Answer is to build more houses, does not matter who or even price. Have they never heard of market economics setting affordable prices if supply is sufficient? But as we agree, governments on all sides over the last thirty to forty year have done little but fan the flames of the (true) crisis we see now.
Equally fair and reasoned suggestion.

SOLUTION:
If the imposition of affordable (social) housing through S106 was removed, this would stimulate growth in the private housebuilding sector, increasing supply, increasing tax revenues which govt could plough into HCA grants to RSL's HA's and Councils to build their own social housing, as it used to be pre-1997.

THE PROBLEM/BARRIER:
Dogmatic ideological Labour politicians, and weak govt (Cons & Lib Dems) - all blinkered and stupid !

MESSAGE:
Get a grip politicians, you have made the housing mess, and you need to sort it out. Listen to those who know better !
[quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rocking Horse[/bold] wrote: Carole Thanks for agreeing that the affordable housing policy/system (by S106) is flawed. I agree with you that both Labour and Conservatives are responsible for the lack of social housing, neither built enough, but Labour (under Blair/Brown) did in fact build half as many each year they were in power compared with the previous tory government (under Thatcher/Major). York Council do however deserve to be singled out for their mismanagement of their AH policy; and both Lib Dems and Labour are culpable, plus the officers involved in advising them on this. Their biggest crime is not admitting, or learning, from their mistakes, which they have been deceitful and dishonest in attempting to hide. I am not a troll with a vendetta, I am an angry York citizen, who knows the truth, but who has been unfairly demonised by the council.[/p][/quote]Fair enough. Reasoned response. Answer is to build more houses, does not matter who or even price. Have they never heard of market economics setting affordable prices if supply is sufficient? But as we agree, governments on all sides over the last thirty to forty year have done little but fan the flames of the (true) crisis we see now.[/p][/quote]Equally fair and reasoned suggestion. SOLUTION: If the imposition of affordable (social) housing through S106 was removed, this would stimulate growth in the private housebuilding sector, increasing supply, increasing tax revenues which govt could plough into HCA grants to RSL's HA's and Councils to build their own social housing, as it used to be pre-1997. THE PROBLEM/BARRIER: Dogmatic ideological Labour politicians, and weak govt (Cons & Lib Dems) - all blinkered and stupid ! MESSAGE: Get a grip politicians, you have made the housing mess, and you need to sort it out. Listen to those who know better ! Rocking Horse

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