Vince Cable questions Lendal Bridge closure decision

York Press: Vince Cable on Lendal Bridge Vince Cable on Lendal Bridge

BUSINESS Secretary Vince Cable has suggested there was “an extraordinary” lack of consultation with York businesses before Lendal Bridge was closed to cars.

He claimed had City of York Council consulted with them more, it might have avoided some of the pitfalls that have since emerged.

The York-born cabinet minister spoke out about the authority’s controversial six-month trial closure of the bridge – and the “staggering” number of motorists fined for breaching the ban – during a weekend visit to the city to launch a local business survey.

Speaking after meeting a number of business people, he told The Press they had expressed concerns about the impact of the closure on the tourist industry, residents and visitors.

The Liberal Democrat stressed it was not his job to come and tell people in York how to run their affairs, saying such issues should be decided locally.

“But it does seem to me extraordinary that there had been so little consultation with the business community,” he said. “Some of the pitfalls could have been avoided at that stage.”

Referring to the numbers of motorists issued with penalty charge notices for crossing the bridge between 10.30am and 5pm, which stood at almost 26,000 by mid-November, he said: “Apparently, a staggering number of people have been fined – it does seem extraordinary.”

Mr Cable said he was delighted to support the local survey, launched by members of his party in York, which seeks views on what help and assistance small businesses need to prosper, and includes questions asking about the bridge closure.

“It is crucial that we listen to what employers are saying and ensure that everything is being done to support businesses locally as well as understanding the impact on the ground of national issues,” he said.

Coun Keith Aspden, the council’s Liberal Democrat group leader, said copies of the survey would be sent to more than 500 businesses across York in coming weeks.

He claimed the Labour-run council had taken completely the wrong approach over the bridge closure.

He said: “To help create jobs, the council needs to work hand-in-hand with local businesses and tap into their experience and expertise. Our survey aims to do this and give local businesses a stronger voice in York.”

But Coun Dave Merrett, Labour cabinet member for transport, said similar views to Mr Cable’s had been expressed when controversial measures such as pedestrianisation and the Deangate closure past the Minster were introduced.

“I do hope the Business Secretary and the York Lib Dems are using their survey to promote the consultation that has been in place throughout the trial,” he said.

“Anyone can take part by visiting www.surveymonkey.com/s/lendalsurvey or by emailing lendalbridge@york.gov.uk. All views expressed will be taken into account before a decision on the trial is taken.”

He said it was ironic that the trial was a key part of the Better Bus initiative funded by a Lib Dem Transport Minister to help promote more sustainable travel, and that the potential closures of both Ouse and Lendal bridges were part of Lib Dem transport plans passed by the council when they were in control.

“A variety of local Lib Dem party members, including former councillors, are telling us they are very much in favour of the trial becoming permanent due to improving public transport reliability, and the public realm,” he said, adding he would be pleased to discuss the matter with Mr Cable when he was next in York.

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12:08pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Knavesmire view says...

Merrett in disagreeing with anyone who opposes trial shocker.

Merrett in 'there is support for it to become permanent' shocker.

Another councillor in a long list that needs to be out of office now for the good of York!
Merrett in disagreeing with anyone who opposes trial shocker. Merrett in 'there is support for it to become permanent' shocker. Another councillor in a long list that needs to be out of office now for the good of York! Knavesmire view

12:12pm Mon 16 Dec 13

ouseswimmer says...

Consultation is all very well but we currently have a council which believes itself to be all knowing and omnipotent. No matter how much consultation is carried out no feedback is taken into account. Even now they want to stifle what members of the public can say in council chambers. Dark days in York I fear.
Consultation is all very well but we currently have a council which believes itself to be all knowing and omnipotent. No matter how much consultation is carried out no feedback is taken into account. Even now they want to stifle what members of the public can say in council chambers. Dark days in York I fear. ouseswimmer

12:16pm Mon 16 Dec 13

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

James Alexander ‏@jmalexander1982 1h
@EfficiencyPlus @ArthurDentYork I think it would be likley any decision would be taken just before trial comes to an end

Probably already decided according to Merritt, a trial based on hidden data, subjective measures and personal agendas can have any outcome you want it to be. Anyone taking part in the labour survey can be sure the outcome will be dealt with the same as the 20MPH blanket limit.

The Lib-Dem survey should not limit to the business community, voting residents have opinions as well.
James Alexander ‏@jmalexander1982 1h @EfficiencyPlus @ArthurDentYork I think it would be likley any decision would be taken just before trial comes to an end Probably already decided according to Merritt, a trial based on hidden data, subjective measures and personal agendas can have any outcome you want it to be. Anyone taking part in the labour survey can be sure the outcome will be dealt with the same as the 20MPH blanket limit. The Lib-Dem survey should not limit to the business community, voting residents have opinions as well. YOUWILLDOASISAY

12:47pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Madasanibbotson says...

The Alexander, No Merrett and Simply-Laing pantomime make York look more like North Korea by the day.
You will not disagree with us Any uncles of this lot beware
The Alexander, No Merrett and Simply-Laing pantomime make York look more like North Korea by the day. You will not disagree with us Any uncles of this lot beware Madasanibbotson

1:00pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Silver says...

I'm surprised that Merrett even replied after all with the whole recent suppression of what can be said at meetings debacle you'd think they'd take that to the extreme and just not respond to anything.
I'm surprised that Merrett even replied after all with the whole recent suppression of what can be said at meetings debacle you'd think they'd take that to the extreme and just not respond to anything. Silver

1:13pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Rocking Horse says...

The resistance to public opinion, and their attempts to block, gag and silence all objectors, by Alexander, Simpson-Laing, Merrett and the politicised officers who cook the books and policies for them, has gone too far.

They will not listen, will not learn, and will not do what York and it's residents ask for and want.

There is only one solution to this problem, and that is to rid York of those who are behind it. Kick out these three and their Labour co-conspirators; councillors and ring-leading officers in 2015 !
The resistance to public opinion, and their attempts to block, gag and silence all objectors, by Alexander, Simpson-Laing, Merrett and the politicised officers who cook the books and policies for them, has gone too far. They will not listen, will not learn, and will not do what York and it's residents ask for and want. There is only one solution to this problem, and that is to rid York of those who are behind it. Kick out these three and their Labour co-conspirators; councillors and ring-leading officers in 2015 ! Rocking Horse

1:15pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Rocking Horse says...

Silver wrote:
I'm surprised that Merrett even replied after all with the whole recent suppression of what can be said at meetings debacle you'd think they'd take that to the extreme and just not respond to anything.
That's not how the propaganda machine works. Merrett and the spin merchants will continue to spout their agenda, telling us that it's the right thing to do, and what the majority want. Black is white, when comrade Merrett says so !
[quote][p][bold]Silver[/bold] wrote: I'm surprised that Merrett even replied after all with the whole recent suppression of what can be said at meetings debacle you'd think they'd take that to the extreme and just not respond to anything.[/p][/quote]That's not how the propaganda machine works. Merrett and the spin merchants will continue to spout their agenda, telling us that it's the right thing to do, and what the majority want. Black is white, when comrade Merrett says so ! Rocking Horse

1:16pm Mon 16 Dec 13

DB_4_Me says...

Key differences between the Lendal Bridge closure and the Deangate closure:
- Deangate was not part of the inner ring road of York, and was never a key route through the city in the way that Lendal Bridge is.
- Deangate was closed to all motor traffic, and bollards prevented anyone inadvertently breaking the law.
- The alternative route for Deangate users was obvious: use the ring road, which added no more than a few hundred yards to the journey length.
For Lendal Bridge, no clear alternative route is made clear to visitors who don't know the area, and no one is certain where the inner ring road goes when the bridge is not included (- does an inner ring road actually still exist between 10:30am and 5pm?)

It is the lack of a clear diversion that is the main short-coming of the implementation of this trial, and so the subsequent fiasco was completely predictable. Without a marked diversion the trial should never have been allowed to start.
Key differences between the Lendal Bridge closure and the Deangate closure: - Deangate was not part of the inner ring road of York, and was never a key route through the city in the way that Lendal Bridge is. - Deangate was closed to all motor traffic, and bollards prevented anyone inadvertently breaking the law. - The alternative route for Deangate users was obvious: use the ring road, which added no more than a few hundred yards to the journey length. For Lendal Bridge, no clear alternative route is made clear to visitors who don't know the area, and no one is certain where the inner ring road goes when the bridge is not included (- does an inner ring road actually still exist between 10:30am and 5pm?) It is the lack of a clear diversion that is the main short-coming of the implementation of this trial, and so the subsequent fiasco was completely predictable. Without a marked diversion the trial should never have been allowed to start. DB_4_Me

1:25pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Vine Weevil says...

The de-materialisation of a Lib Dem master shortly after UKIP have finished a month long survey in 3 local centres is hardly a coincidence.
Why does Coun. Merrett mince his words and not admit that this closure was planned by the Lib Dems before he ever took up office?
Consultation is not legitimate when the 'temporary trial' involves permanent signage and costs thousands of pounds the council tax payers of York do not have. The pedestrian areas referred to by Merrett are not something to boast about. Given the presence of cyclists, delivery vehicles and disabled drivers they are hardly fit for purpose and only serve to inconvenience the law abiding citizen.
The de-materialisation of a Lib Dem master shortly after UKIP have finished a month long survey in 3 local centres is hardly a coincidence. Why does Coun. Merrett mince his words and not admit that this closure was planned by the Lib Dems before he ever took up office? Consultation is not legitimate when the 'temporary trial' involves permanent signage and costs thousands of pounds the council tax payers of York do not have. The pedestrian areas referred to by Merrett are not something to boast about. Given the presence of cyclists, delivery vehicles and disabled drivers they are hardly fit for purpose and only serve to inconvenience the law abiding citizen. Vine Weevil

1:31pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Vine Weevil says...

Madasanibbotson wrote:
The Alexander, No Merrett and Simply-Laing pantomime make York look more like North Korea by the day.
You will not disagree with us Any uncles of this lot beware
If you are not careful you could ended up in a blender and be served as a skinny latte at Starbucks in the Museum Gardens.
[quote][p][bold]Madasanibbotson[/bold] wrote: The Alexander, No Merrett and Simply-Laing pantomime make York look more like North Korea by the day. You will not disagree with us Any uncles of this lot beware[/p][/quote]If you are not careful you could ended up in a blender and be served as a skinny latte at Starbucks in the Museum Gardens. Vine Weevil

1:39pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Junior123 says...

Is Merritt hand in hand with the New Hotel that is being built opposite the Theatre? Is that why Lendal has to be closed off , so their residents will be able to get access easier??? funny how hotel's usually have checking out at 10.30 ish and thats the time the Bridge closes to cars, so their taxis's can get in and out ok.
Not had any positive effective on the buses either still run late!!! or are no shows.
Is Merritt hand in hand with the New Hotel that is being built opposite the Theatre? Is that why Lendal has to be closed off , so their residents will be able to get access easier??? funny how hotel's usually have checking out at 10.30 ish and thats the time the Bridge closes to cars, so their taxis's can get in and out ok. Not had any positive effective on the buses either still run late!!! or are no shows. Junior123

2:12pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Madasanibbotson says...

Vine Weevil wrote:
Madasanibbotson wrote:
The Alexander, No Merrett and Simply-Laing pantomime make York look more like North Korea by the day.
You will not disagree with us Any uncles of this lot beware
If you are not careful you could ended up in a blender and be served as a skinny latte at Starbucks in the Museum Gardens.
Only if before 10.30 as can't get across the bridge-despite paying the council tax.
[quote][p][bold]Vine Weevil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Madasanibbotson[/bold] wrote: The Alexander, No Merrett and Simply-Laing pantomime make York look more like North Korea by the day. You will not disagree with us Any uncles of this lot beware[/p][/quote]If you are not careful you could ended up in a blender and be served as a skinny latte at Starbucks in the Museum Gardens.[/p][/quote]Only if before 10.30 as can't get across the bridge-despite paying the council tax. Madasanibbotson

2:20pm Mon 16 Dec 13

voiceofnormalpeople says...

how many of you voted these people in? I never.
how many of you voted these people in? I never. voiceofnormalpeople

2:36pm Mon 16 Dec 13

chelk says...

Vince Cable a sensible voice pity he is not running our Council nobody actually expected Merrett or Alexander to have an open mind did they. The Muppet Show is continuing at full pace
Vince Cable a sensible voice pity he is not running our Council nobody actually expected Merrett or Alexander to have an open mind did they. The Muppet Show is continuing at full pace chelk

2:50pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

Very disappointed this article was unable to run the words "Cable" "Staid" (or "Stayed") and "Bridge" next to each other somewhere.
Very disappointed this article was unable to run the words "Cable" "Staid" (or "Stayed") and "Bridge" next to each other somewhere. Ignatius Lumpopo

2:58pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Rocking Horse says...

voiceofnormalpeople wrote:
how many of you voted these people in? I never.
Many who did have acknowledged their mistake, and that they were conned by Alexander & co. That is in the past and we cannot do anything about it.

The question is, how many will vote them out in 2015 ? The indications from the number of disaffected Labour supporters on here and Twitter is that many of them will. They have seen what the current administration and their officer allies have done against the wishes of York people, and Alexander, Merrett and Simpson-Laing will reap what they has sown at the ballot box in 2015 - total crop failure !
[quote][p][bold]voiceofnormalpeople[/bold] wrote: how many of you voted these people in? I never.[/p][/quote]Many who did have acknowledged their mistake, and that they were conned by Alexander & co. That is in the past and we cannot do anything about it. The question is, how many will vote them out in 2015 ? The indications from the number of disaffected Labour supporters on here and Twitter is that many of them will. They have seen what the current administration and their officer allies have done against the wishes of York people, and Alexander, Merrett and Simpson-Laing will reap what they has sown at the ballot box in 2015 - total crop failure ! Rocking Horse

3:06pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Can't all be wrong says...

Junior123 wrote:
Is Merritt hand in hand with the New Hotel that is being built opposite the Theatre? Is that why Lendal has to be closed off , so their residents will be able to get access easier??? funny how hotel's usually have checking out at 10.30 ish and thats the time the Bridge closes to cars, so their taxis's can get in and out ok.
Not had any positive effective on the buses either still run late!!! or are no shows.
A friend with a senior position in YCC tells me the whole Lendal Bridge closure is part of the deal to attract the new hotel developers to take over the old YCC building. It will become permanent, as will the removal of all the bus stops in the immediate vicinity of the hotel.
It's all part of one large plan to off load the old YCC offices ASAP.
[quote][p][bold]Junior123[/bold] wrote: Is Merritt hand in hand with the New Hotel that is being built opposite the Theatre? Is that why Lendal has to be closed off , so their residents will be able to get access easier??? funny how hotel's usually have checking out at 10.30 ish and thats the time the Bridge closes to cars, so their taxis's can get in and out ok. Not had any positive effective on the buses either still run late!!! or are no shows.[/p][/quote]A friend with a senior position in YCC tells me the whole Lendal Bridge closure is part of the deal to attract the new hotel developers to take over the old YCC building. It will become permanent, as will the removal of all the bus stops in the immediate vicinity of the hotel. It's all part of one large plan to off load the old YCC offices ASAP. Can't all be wrong

3:29pm Mon 16 Dec 13

MorkofYork says...

The truth will out.
Merrett says "blah blah blah".

I can't help but notice the support for the closure has diminished here, and we're in the later stages now.
The truth will out. Merrett says "blah blah blah". I can't help but notice the support for the closure has diminished here, and we're in the later stages now. MorkofYork

3:48pm Mon 16 Dec 13

bolero says...

Vine Weevil wrote:
Madasanibbotson wrote: The Alexander, No Merrett and Simply-Laing pantomime make York look more like North Korea by the day. You will not disagree with us Any uncles of this lot beware
If you are not careful you could ended up in a blender and be served as a skinny latte at Starbucks in the Museum Gardens.
EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!
[quote][p][bold]Vine Weevil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Madasanibbotson[/bold] wrote: The Alexander, No Merrett and Simply-Laing pantomime make York look more like North Korea by the day. You will not disagree with us Any uncles of this lot beware[/p][/quote]If you are not careful you could ended up in a blender and be served as a skinny latte at Starbucks in the Museum Gardens.[/p][/quote]EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE! bolero

3:57pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Pedro says...

Who is next to join this debate? The Ghost of Elvis? There was that bridge near Cockermouth which was swept away. Good job these drivers were using that. Would be driving in to the river because BRIDGE CLOSED wasn't written in large enough letters or a bus passed at the wrong time.
Who is next to join this debate? The Ghost of Elvis? There was that bridge near Cockermouth which was swept away. Good job these drivers were using that. Would be driving in to the river because BRIDGE CLOSED wasn't written in large enough letters or a bus passed at the wrong time. Pedro

4:06pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Richard Catton says...

Pedro wrote:
Who is next to join this debate? The Ghost of Elvis? There was that bridge near Cockermouth which was swept away. Good job these drivers were using that. Would be driving in to the river because BRIDGE CLOSED wasn't written in large enough letters or a bus passed at the wrong time.
Err...What?
[quote][p][bold]Pedro[/bold] wrote: Who is next to join this debate? The Ghost of Elvis? There was that bridge near Cockermouth which was swept away. Good job these drivers were using that. Would be driving in to the river because BRIDGE CLOSED wasn't written in large enough letters or a bus passed at the wrong time.[/p][/quote]Err...What? Richard Catton

4:08pm Mon 16 Dec 13

bagnall1928@yahoo.com says...

I wonder how closing a bridge that has served York well for so many years can serve any useful purpose.
it merely thows traffic problems elsewhere.
Transport is needed to get people and goods to their destinations.homes, businesses, work places etc. How any idiot can think that closing the bridge to traffic can aid this I fail to see.
all roads and streets that provide a way through should be left open to traffic.
It wants some inventive and positive thought.
shutting down routes is rarely the answer.
Get people togehter , talk, listen, look at new thought on the subject.
It is no use being negative.
I wonder how closing a bridge that has served York well for so many years can serve any useful purpose. it merely thows traffic problems elsewhere. Transport is needed to get people and goods to their destinations.homes, businesses, work places etc. How any idiot can think that closing the bridge to traffic can aid this I fail to see. all roads and streets that provide a way through should be left open to traffic. It wants some inventive and positive thought. shutting down routes is rarely the answer. Get people togehter , talk, listen, look at new thought on the subject. It is no use being negative. bagnall1928@yahoo.com

4:36pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Bo Jolly says...

"there was “an extraordinary” lack of consultation" - let's be clear: there was NO public consultation before the decision to close this crucial link in the inner ring road. None.

Please sign the latest (government) petition if you oppose the madness http://epetitions.di
rect.gov.uk/petition
s/56674
and do let the council know what you think www.surveymonkey.com
/s/lendalsurvey

Naturally the council questionnaire starts with all sorts of dubious assumptions and carries a series of loaded questions that presuppose the only people affected by the closure are those who use Lendal Bridge to travel into the centre of town... but it's our only chance to be heard.
"there was “an extraordinary” lack of consultation" - let's be clear: there was NO public consultation before the decision to close this crucial link in the inner ring road. None. Please sign the latest (government) petition if you oppose the madness http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/56674 and do let the council know what you think www.surveymonkey.com /s/lendalsurvey Naturally the council questionnaire starts with all sorts of dubious assumptions and carries a series of loaded questions that presuppose the only people affected by the closure are those who use Lendal Bridge to travel into the centre of town... but it's our only chance to be heard. Bo Jolly

4:42pm Mon 16 Dec 13

PKH says...

chelk wrote:
Vince Cable a sensible voice pity he is not running our Council nobody actually expected Merrett or Alexander to have an open mind did they. The Muppet Show is continuing at full pace
Vince Cable is right concerning Lendal Bridge but don't forget he was also right when he criticised the previous LIbDem council as arrogant, unfortunately we jumped from out of the frying pan into the fire at the last election.
[quote][p][bold]chelk[/bold] wrote: Vince Cable a sensible voice pity he is not running our Council nobody actually expected Merrett or Alexander to have an open mind did they. The Muppet Show is continuing at full pace[/p][/quote]Vince Cable is right concerning Lendal Bridge but don't forget he was also right when he criticised the previous LIbDem council as arrogant, unfortunately we jumped from out of the frying pan into the fire at the last election. PKH

4:45pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Caecilius says...

bagnall1928@yahoo.co
m
wrote:
I wonder how closing a bridge that has served York well for so many years can serve any useful purpose.
it merely thows traffic problems elsewhere.
Transport is needed to get people and goods to their destinations.homes, businesses, work places etc. How any idiot can think that closing the bridge to traffic can aid this I fail to see.
all roads and streets that provide a way through should be left open to traffic.
It wants some inventive and positive thought.
shutting down routes is rarely the answer.
Get people togehter , talk, listen, look at new thought on the subject.
It is no use being negative.
Quite right, it needs some inventive and positive thought. "I've always driven my car anywhere I want, I insist on my right to carry on driving my car anywhere I want and everyone else can take a running jump" doesn't qualify. Making it easier, quicker and safer for people to use alternative forms of transport that don't clog up the roads, does.
[quote][p][bold]bagnall1928@yahoo.co m[/bold] wrote: I wonder how closing a bridge that has served York well for so many years can serve any useful purpose. it merely thows traffic problems elsewhere. Transport is needed to get people and goods to their destinations.homes, businesses, work places etc. How any idiot can think that closing the bridge to traffic can aid this I fail to see. all roads and streets that provide a way through should be left open to traffic. It wants some inventive and positive thought. shutting down routes is rarely the answer. Get people togehter , talk, listen, look at new thought on the subject. It is no use being negative.[/p][/quote]Quite right, it needs some inventive and positive thought. "I've always driven my car anywhere I want, I insist on my right to carry on driving my car anywhere I want and everyone else can take a running jump" doesn't qualify. Making it easier, quicker and safer for people to use alternative forms of transport that don't clog up the roads, does. Caecilius

4:51pm Mon 16 Dec 13

AGuyFromStrensall says...

Caecilius wrote:
bagnall1928@yahoo.co

m
wrote:
I wonder how closing a bridge that has served York well for so many years can serve any useful purpose.
it merely thows traffic problems elsewhere.
Transport is needed to get people and goods to their destinations.homes, businesses, work places etc. How any idiot can think that closing the bridge to traffic can aid this I fail to see.
all roads and streets that provide a way through should be left open to traffic.
It wants some inventive and positive thought.
shutting down routes is rarely the answer.
Get people togehter , talk, listen, look at new thought on the subject.
It is no use being negative.
Quite right, it needs some inventive and positive thought. "I've always driven my car anywhere I want, I insist on my right to carry on driving my car anywhere I want and everyone else can take a running jump" doesn't qualify. Making it easier, quicker and safer for people to use alternative forms of transport that don't clog up the roads, does.
Because no one could ever need to cross Lendal bridge in a car and I insist no one should be able to and everyone else can take a running jump is a so much tolerent and evenly balenced argument.
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bagnall1928@yahoo.co m[/bold] wrote: I wonder how closing a bridge that has served York well for so many years can serve any useful purpose. it merely thows traffic problems elsewhere. Transport is needed to get people and goods to their destinations.homes, businesses, work places etc. How any idiot can think that closing the bridge to traffic can aid this I fail to see. all roads and streets that provide a way through should be left open to traffic. It wants some inventive and positive thought. shutting down routes is rarely the answer. Get people togehter , talk, listen, look at new thought on the subject. It is no use being negative.[/p][/quote]Quite right, it needs some inventive and positive thought. "I've always driven my car anywhere I want, I insist on my right to carry on driving my car anywhere I want and everyone else can take a running jump" doesn't qualify. Making it easier, quicker and safer for people to use alternative forms of transport that don't clog up the roads, does.[/p][/quote]Because no one could ever need to cross Lendal bridge in a car and I insist no one should be able to and everyone else can take a running jump is a so much tolerent and evenly balenced argument. AGuyFromStrensall

4:55pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Dave Ruddock says...

Ref the replay reference Exhibition Square area and the old council offices and the removal of bus stops, with the misleading council members Please state in the "PRESS" what is the long term story with Lendal bridge and not the road leading onto it, It woud seem that if labour whant this bridge closed , rebuilding as a draw bridge and nothing can cross it. On the reverse of this, I take it drivers are incapable of reading signs, there big enough, as for the excuse of using sat nav (In a City).. Can we all have the TRUE story , as for bus route, think Ousegate area is a massive accident waiting to happen
Ref the replay reference Exhibition Square area and the old council offices and the removal of bus stops, with the misleading council members Please state in the "PRESS" what is the long term story with Lendal bridge and not the road leading onto it, It woud seem that if labour whant this bridge closed , rebuilding as a draw bridge and nothing can cross it. On the reverse of this, I take it drivers are incapable of reading signs, there big enough, as for the excuse of using sat nav (In a City).. Can we all have the TRUE story , as for bus route, think Ousegate area is a massive accident waiting to happen Dave Ruddock

5:13pm Mon 16 Dec 13

voiceofnormalpeople says...

just wait till the end of 2014, this council will do some thing for you residents and you will forget this year and vote them in again, just like tony blair when he promised the referendum then handed power to that useless turd Gordon brown.
just wait till the end of 2014, this council will do some thing for you residents and you will forget this year and vote them in again, just like tony blair when he promised the referendum then handed power to that useless turd Gordon brown. voiceofnormalpeople

5:31pm Mon 16 Dec 13

AnotherPointofView says...

ouseswimmer wrote:
Consultation is all very well but we currently have a council which believes itself to be all knowing and omnipotent. No matter how much consultation is carried out no feedback is taken into account. Even now they want to stifle what members of the public can say in council chambers. Dark days in York I fear.
You are spot on. I attended a meeting before the "trial" started. There was no consultaion in the real sense. The council representatives - employees (No councillors dared attend) - simply said what was happening but weren't interested in what was said by residents.

A consultation is where views are exchanged, not put over in a dictatorial way like this fiasco has been.
[quote][p][bold]ouseswimmer[/bold] wrote: Consultation is all very well but we currently have a council which believes itself to be all knowing and omnipotent. No matter how much consultation is carried out no feedback is taken into account. Even now they want to stifle what members of the public can say in council chambers. Dark days in York I fear.[/p][/quote]You are spot on. I attended a meeting before the "trial" started. There was no consultaion in the real sense. The council representatives - employees (No councillors dared attend) - simply said what was happening but weren't interested in what was said by residents. A consultation is where views are exchanged, not put over in a dictatorial way like this fiasco has been. AnotherPointofView

5:38pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Cheeky face says...

Signs are not succinct. Legalese of words should be paralleled on these signs as they have to be on legal documents. The aa signs are contradictory to the signs at each end of the Bridge and Coppergate. I still await the council's response on this issue - I raised this in late August!.

City centre is quieter but at a cost. Prices Lane and Foss Islands Rd are regularly struggling with congestion. You only need to have witnessed what happened two weeks ago when a small people carrier was broken down at the Barbican. The result was tailbacks to Fulford and Bustardthorpe in a very short time.

Has the council been given CORRECTLY obtained authority to extend the trial after the 6 month period?
Signs are not succinct. Legalese of words should be paralleled on these signs as they have to be on legal documents. The aa signs are contradictory to the signs at each end of the Bridge and Coppergate. I still await the council's response on this issue - I raised this in late August!. City centre is quieter but at a cost. Prices Lane and Foss Islands Rd are regularly struggling with congestion. You only need to have witnessed what happened two weeks ago when a small people carrier was broken down at the Barbican. The result was tailbacks to Fulford and Bustardthorpe in a very short time. Has the council been given CORRECTLY obtained authority to extend the trial after the 6 month period? Cheeky face

6:50pm Mon 16 Dec 13

yorkandproud says...

Knavesmire view wrote:
Merrett in disagreeing with anyone who opposes trial shocker.

Merrett in 'there is support for it to become permanent' shocker.

Another councillor in a long list that needs to be out of office now for the good of York!
Party politics aside, some of these long standing councillors get " too big for their boots" after many years service. They think they own the place, and continually ignore the needs and views of resident and businesses. Former Lib Dem leader Steve Galloway was a typical example in recent years. He got the chop in the end. Maybe it's time for one or two more at the next election. It saddens me.
[quote][p][bold]Knavesmire view[/bold] wrote: Merrett in disagreeing with anyone who opposes trial shocker. Merrett in 'there is support for it to become permanent' shocker. Another councillor in a long list that needs to be out of office now for the good of York![/p][/quote]Party politics aside, some of these long standing councillors get " too big for their boots" after many years service. They think they own the place, and continually ignore the needs and views of resident and businesses. Former Lib Dem leader Steve Galloway was a typical example in recent years. He got the chop in the end. Maybe it's time for one or two more at the next election. It saddens me. yorkandproud

7:09pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Alf Garnett says...

Yawn.
Yawn. Alf Garnett

7:13pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Alf Garnett says...

voiceofnormalpeople wrote:
how many of you voted these people in? I never.
Never did, never would, never have, never do or never mind ?
[quote][p][bold]voiceofnormalpeople[/bold] wrote: how many of you voted these people in? I never.[/p][/quote]Never did, never would, never have, never do or never mind ? Alf Garnett

7:15pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Art Baker says...

Personally I think Dave Merritt is right.

The closure shows a vision akin to Deangate and the footstreets. True progress such as this will not be appreciated by the vocal minority but long term benefit calls for bold moves. Make the closure permanent Dave and be recognised as a visionary in years to come.

NB. I have noticed comment supporting the closure to not meet with Press policy so I expect this to soon be deleted.
Personally I think Dave Merritt is right. The closure shows a vision akin to Deangate and the footstreets. True progress such as this will not be appreciated by the vocal minority but long term benefit calls for bold moves. Make the closure permanent Dave and be recognised as a visionary in years to come. NB. I have noticed comment supporting the closure to not meet with Press policy so I expect this to soon be deleted. Art Baker

7:39pm Mon 16 Dec 13

gblorimer says...

Just an idea if the bridge is closed purely for traffic reasons and not for a new hotel, why not close Ouse bridge. It is only buses and taxis that can use stonebow & coppergate anyone coming from fishergate could use skeldergate bridge and nunnery lane & anyone coming to and from the station could use lendal bridge
Just an idea if the bridge is closed purely for traffic reasons and not for a new hotel, why not close Ouse bridge. It is only buses and taxis that can use stonebow & coppergate anyone coming from fishergate could use skeldergate bridge and nunnery lane & anyone coming to and from the station could use lendal bridge gblorimer

8:02pm Mon 16 Dec 13

inthesticks says...

Art Baker wrote:
Personally I think Dave Merritt is right.

The closure shows a vision akin to Deangate and the footstreets. True progress such as this will not be appreciated by the vocal minority but long term benefit calls for bold moves. Make the closure permanent Dave and be recognised as a visionary in years to come.

NB. I have noticed comment supporting the closure to not meet with Press policy so I expect this to soon be deleted.
It`s not Press policy at all, just that 99% of readers seem to be against the closure.
I am against the closure because alternative routes are not up to taking the volume of vehicles that are forced elsewhere.
I would be for the closure and pedestrianisation of many other streets in York IF alternatives had been put in place as recommended as far back as 2003.
>
Quote: The cons included this fairly obvious key problem: "Splits the city centre in two, making it impossible to drive between the two without using outer routes."

The closures would also cut off direct car access to the hospital and station from parts of the city, more traffic on Water End and more traffic on all sections of the A1237 outer ring road (which it says would probably need to be dualled for this option to work).

Referring to the idea of closing Gillygate, Crichton Avenue, Nunnery Lane, Ouse Bridge, University Road and Heslington Road, with the one- way sections of Bishopgate Street and Paragon Street converted to two-way operations, it says the outer ring road would need to be dualled from the A59 to the A64.
>
http://www.yorkpress
.co.uk/archive/2005/
06/13/7863317.Jam_to
morrow_/
[quote][p][bold]Art Baker[/bold] wrote: Personally I think Dave Merritt is right. The closure shows a vision akin to Deangate and the footstreets. True progress such as this will not be appreciated by the vocal minority but long term benefit calls for bold moves. Make the closure permanent Dave and be recognised as a visionary in years to come. NB. I have noticed comment supporting the closure to not meet with Press policy so I expect this to soon be deleted.[/p][/quote]It`s not Press policy at all, just that 99% of readers seem to be against the closure. I am against the closure because alternative routes are not up to taking the volume of vehicles that are forced elsewhere. I would be for the closure and pedestrianisation of many other streets in York IF alternatives had been put in place as recommended as far back as 2003. > Quote: The cons included this fairly obvious key problem: "Splits the city centre in two, making it impossible to drive between the two without using outer routes." The closures would also cut off direct car access to the hospital and station from parts of the city, more traffic on Water End and more traffic on all sections of the A1237 outer ring road (which it says would probably need to be dualled for this option to work). Referring to the idea of closing Gillygate, Crichton Avenue, Nunnery Lane, Ouse Bridge, University Road and Heslington Road, with the one- way sections of Bishopgate Street and Paragon Street converted to two-way operations, it says the outer ring road would need to be dualled from the A59 to the A64. > http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/archive/2005/ 06/13/7863317.Jam_to morrow_/ inthesticks

8:22pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Rocking Horse says...

Art Baker wrote:
Personally I think Dave Merritt is right.

The closure shows a vision akin to Deangate and the footstreets. True progress such as this will not be appreciated by the vocal minority but long term benefit calls for bold moves. Make the closure permanent Dave and be recognised as a visionary in years to come.

NB. I have noticed comment supporting the closure to not meet with Press policy so I expect this to soon be deleted.
Merrett is not a visionary. He is blinkered, ideological, dictatorial and undemocratic.

Just like the disastrous illegitimate 50% affordable housing policy killed off small local housebuilders and made the housing crisis in York far worse, this will kill off businesses in the city, cause congestion, delays and expense to many York residents.

The Press won't delete your comment, but, it will receive lots of thumbs down (dislikes) as other than Merrett and his Labour council comrades, most York citizens are against it !
[quote][p][bold]Art Baker[/bold] wrote: Personally I think Dave Merritt is right. The closure shows a vision akin to Deangate and the footstreets. True progress such as this will not be appreciated by the vocal minority but long term benefit calls for bold moves. Make the closure permanent Dave and be recognised as a visionary in years to come. NB. I have noticed comment supporting the closure to not meet with Press policy so I expect this to soon be deleted.[/p][/quote]Merrett is not a visionary. He is blinkered, ideological, dictatorial and undemocratic. Just like the disastrous illegitimate 50% affordable housing policy killed off small local housebuilders and made the housing crisis in York far worse, this will kill off businesses in the city, cause congestion, delays and expense to many York residents. The Press won't delete your comment, but, it will receive lots of thumbs down (dislikes) as other than Merrett and his Labour council comrades, most York citizens are against it ! Rocking Horse

8:34pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Rocking Horse says...

gblorimer wrote:
Just an idea if the bridge is closed purely for traffic reasons and not for a new hotel, why not close Ouse bridge. It is only buses and taxis that can use stonebow & coppergate anyone coming from fishergate could use skeldergate bridge and nunnery lane & anyone coming to and from the station could use lendal bridge
The closure of Ouse Bridge will be next. It is in the Council's transport plan and was scheduled to happen before Lendal Bridge, but, Merrett and his Labour comrades obviously brought it forward because of the hotel planned for their former offices.

This council makes plans/rules then change/break them, and we have no say, or right to criticise. That will change in 2015, when this motley lot will be kicked out !
[quote][p][bold]gblorimer[/bold] wrote: Just an idea if the bridge is closed purely for traffic reasons and not for a new hotel, why not close Ouse bridge. It is only buses and taxis that can use stonebow & coppergate anyone coming from fishergate could use skeldergate bridge and nunnery lane & anyone coming to and from the station could use lendal bridge[/p][/quote]The closure of Ouse Bridge will be next. It is in the Council's transport plan and was scheduled to happen before Lendal Bridge, but, Merrett and his Labour comrades obviously brought it forward because of the hotel planned for their former offices. This council makes plans/rules then change/break them, and we have no say, or right to criticise. That will change in 2015, when this motley lot will be kicked out ! Rocking Horse

9:12pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Mookie2 says...

I live in the South of the City and can still get to the train station (even though congestion on Tadcaster Road has increased). However, I can no longer drive directly to the hospital. I guess people in the North can still drive to the hospital but it must be difficult to get to the train station? Other cities have tried divisive travel systems, not sure that any have worked.
I live in the South of the City and can still get to the train station (even though congestion on Tadcaster Road has increased). However, I can no longer drive directly to the hospital. I guess people in the North can still drive to the hospital but it must be difficult to get to the train station? Other cities have tried divisive travel systems, not sure that any have worked. Mookie2

9:38pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Igiveinthen says...

DB_4_Me wrote:
Key differences between the Lendal Bridge closure and the Deangate closure:
- Deangate was not part of the inner ring road of York, and was never a key route through the city in the way that Lendal Bridge is.
- Deangate was closed to all motor traffic, and bollards prevented anyone inadvertently breaking the law.
- The alternative route for Deangate users was obvious: use the ring road, which added no more than a few hundred yards to the journey length.
For Lendal Bridge, no clear alternative route is made clear to visitors who don't know the area, and no one is certain where the inner ring road goes when the bridge is not included (- does an inner ring road actually still exist between 10:30am and 5pm?)

It is the lack of a clear diversion that is the main short-coming of the implementation of this trial, and so the subsequent fiasco was completely predictable. Without a marked diversion the trial should never have been allowed to start.
You are quite right there is no clear alternative route for those who do not know york, today I was driving towards Rougier Street during the restricted time slot, and it was obvious the driver of the car in front of me with London reg plates was puzzled by the matrix sign and he ended up in the bus lane, luckily the lights were at red so I was able to pull along side him and inform him if he went across the bridge he would be fined, he said but the arrow on the sign directs you this way, I said yes it is confusing but you had best pull in front of me, so I held the traffic back whilst he did his manoeuvre which sadly upset the bus driver behind LOL.
So I would appeal to all drivers to look after fellow motorists, and if means holding traffic up ignore them at least your preventing Merretts Marauders gaining more money!
[quote][p][bold]DB_4_Me[/bold] wrote: Key differences between the Lendal Bridge closure and the Deangate closure: - Deangate was not part of the inner ring road of York, and was never a key route through the city in the way that Lendal Bridge is. - Deangate was closed to all motor traffic, and bollards prevented anyone inadvertently breaking the law. - The alternative route for Deangate users was obvious: use the ring road, which added no more than a few hundred yards to the journey length. For Lendal Bridge, no clear alternative route is made clear to visitors who don't know the area, and no one is certain where the inner ring road goes when the bridge is not included (- does an inner ring road actually still exist between 10:30am and 5pm?) It is the lack of a clear diversion that is the main short-coming of the implementation of this trial, and so the subsequent fiasco was completely predictable. Without a marked diversion the trial should never have been allowed to start.[/p][/quote]You are quite right there is no clear alternative route for those who do not know york, today I was driving towards Rougier Street during the restricted time slot, and it was obvious the driver of the car in front of me with London reg plates was puzzled by the matrix sign and he ended up in the bus lane, luckily the lights were at red so I was able to pull along side him and inform him if he went across the bridge he would be fined, he said but the arrow on the sign directs you this way, I said yes it is confusing but you had best pull in front of me, so I held the traffic back whilst he did his manoeuvre which sadly upset the bus driver behind LOL. So I would appeal to all drivers to look after fellow motorists, and if means holding traffic up ignore them at least your preventing Merretts Marauders gaining more money! Igiveinthen

11:44pm Mon 16 Dec 13

wallman says...

Art Baker wrote:
Personally I think Dave Merritt is right.

The closure shows a vision akin to Deangate and the footstreets. True progress such as this will not be appreciated by the vocal minority but long term benefit calls for bold moves. Make the closure permanent Dave and be recognised as a visionary in years to come.

NB. I have noticed comment supporting the closure to not meet with Press policy so I expect this to soon be deleted.
another merritt guise
[quote][p][bold]Art Baker[/bold] wrote: Personally I think Dave Merritt is right. The closure shows a vision akin to Deangate and the footstreets. True progress such as this will not be appreciated by the vocal minority but long term benefit calls for bold moves. Make the closure permanent Dave and be recognised as a visionary in years to come. NB. I have noticed comment supporting the closure to not meet with Press policy so I expect this to soon be deleted.[/p][/quote]another merritt guise wallman

11:46pm Mon 16 Dec 13

wallman says...

gblorimer wrote:
Just an idea if the bridge is closed purely for traffic reasons and not for a new hotel, why not close Ouse bridge. It is only buses and taxis that can use stonebow & coppergate anyone coming from fishergate could use skeldergate bridge and nunnery lane & anyone coming to and from the station could use lendal bridge
merritt want his claim to fame saying how he stopped a city dead
[quote][p][bold]gblorimer[/bold] wrote: Just an idea if the bridge is closed purely for traffic reasons and not for a new hotel, why not close Ouse bridge. It is only buses and taxis that can use stonebow & coppergate anyone coming from fishergate could use skeldergate bridge and nunnery lane & anyone coming to and from the station could use lendal bridge[/p][/quote]merritt want his claim to fame saying how he stopped a city dead wallman

11:46pm Mon 16 Dec 13

wallman says...

gblorimer wrote:
Just an idea if the bridge is closed purely for traffic reasons and not for a new hotel, why not close Ouse bridge. It is only buses and taxis that can use stonebow & coppergate anyone coming from fishergate could use skeldergate bridge and nunnery lane & anyone coming to and from the station could use lendal bridge
merritt want his claim to fame saying how he stopped a city dead
[quote][p][bold]gblorimer[/bold] wrote: Just an idea if the bridge is closed purely for traffic reasons and not for a new hotel, why not close Ouse bridge. It is only buses and taxis that can use stonebow & coppergate anyone coming from fishergate could use skeldergate bridge and nunnery lane & anyone coming to and from the station could use lendal bridge[/p][/quote]merritt want his claim to fame saying how he stopped a city dead wallman

11:50pm Mon 16 Dec 13

wallman says...

will the councillors who want York traffic free please stand up and leave.
will the councillors who want York traffic free please stand up and leave. wallman

2:01am Tue 17 Dec 13

Magicman! says...

My simple objection is not to the closure per se, but to the fact they rushed into it without providing an adequate alternative first - whether that be by dualling the A1237 to remove cars off streets such as Water End, or by upgrading junctions on the other side of the Inner Ring Road to handle more traffic.
My simple objection is not to the closure per se, but to the fact they rushed into it without providing an adequate alternative first - whether that be by dualling the A1237 to remove cars off streets such as Water End, or by upgrading junctions on the other side of the Inner Ring Road to handle more traffic. Magicman!

7:16am Tue 17 Dec 13

Igiveinthen says...

Magicman! wrote:
My simple objection is not to the closure per se, but to the fact they rushed into it without providing an adequate alternative first - whether that be by dualling the A1237 to remove cars off streets such as Water End, or by upgrading junctions on the other side of the Inner Ring Road to handle more traffic.
Absolutely agree, simple logic to those with a brain or were those in the council who do have brain told to shut up when they said 'where will all the traffic go then Dave?'.
You can't have a traffic plan without first deciding an alternative route for all those vehicles barred from a section of the inner ring road for a period during the day.
As I have said on a previous quote 'I would love to see a traffic free city centre but put alternative vehicle routes in first!'
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: My simple objection is not to the closure per se, but to the fact they rushed into it without providing an adequate alternative first - whether that be by dualling the A1237 to remove cars off streets such as Water End, or by upgrading junctions on the other side of the Inner Ring Road to handle more traffic.[/p][/quote]Absolutely agree, simple logic to those with a brain or were those in the council who do have brain told to shut up when they said 'where will all the traffic go then Dave?'. You can't have a traffic plan without first deciding an alternative route for all those vehicles barred from a section of the inner ring road for a period during the day. As I have said on a previous quote 'I would love to see a traffic free city centre but put alternative vehicle routes in first!' Igiveinthen

9:55am Tue 17 Dec 13

ReginaldBiscuit says...

If someone stole Vince off the bridge then that definitely would be a case of cable theft. :D
If someone stole Vince off the bridge then that definitely would be a case of cable theft. :D ReginaldBiscuit

12:48pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Fulfordian says...

Just for information and a 'back-check', here is the York Labour Party manifesto for the 2011 council elections:

http://www.yorklabou
r.org.uk/policy/York
%20Deserves%20Better
%20-%20Detailed.pdf
Just for information and a 'back-check', here is the York Labour Party manifesto for the 2011 council elections: http://www.yorklabou r.org.uk/policy/York %20Deserves%20Better %20-%20Detailed.pdf Fulfordian

1:00pm Tue 17 Dec 13

YorkieTalkie says...

The reason there is/was a large build-up of traffic on Lendal Bridge and Museum Street is down to the horrific 3-way junction between St Leonard's Place, Bootham, and Gillygate.

Sort this out, and most of the issue would disappear!
The reason there is/was a large build-up of traffic on Lendal Bridge and Museum Street is down to the horrific 3-way junction between St Leonard's Place, Bootham, and Gillygate. Sort this out, and most of the issue would disappear! YorkieTalkie

1:22pm Tue 17 Dec 13

bolero says...

YorkieTalkie wrote:
The reason there is/was a large build-up of traffic on Lendal Bridge and Museum Street is down to the horrific 3-way junction between St Leonard's Place, Bootham, and Gillygate. Sort this out, and most of the issue would disappear!
If we got rid of the other three-way junction of Alexander, Merritt and Simpson-Laing then we might start getting somewhere.
[quote][p][bold]YorkieTalkie[/bold] wrote: The reason there is/was a large build-up of traffic on Lendal Bridge and Museum Street is down to the horrific 3-way junction between St Leonard's Place, Bootham, and Gillygate. Sort this out, and most of the issue would disappear![/p][/quote]If we got rid of the other three-way junction of Alexander, Merritt and Simpson-Laing then we might start getting somewhere. bolero

2:57pm Tue 17 Dec 13

york_chap says...

Back towards the start of the trial I watched a woman in a Range Rover trying to do a 3 point turn on the bridge which soon became a 12 point turn and was really quite entertaining. Peeved a few taxi drivers right off as well.

This was capped the other week however, when an old guy in some sort of huge Bentley tried performing the same manouvre, blocking the road for about 5 minutes, as he obviously didn't want to damage his wheels by going up the kerb. It was hilarious seeing the reactions of the taxi and bus drivers who were queued up on either side. Wish more confused tourists had massive cars.
Back towards the start of the trial I watched a woman in a Range Rover trying to do a 3 point turn on the bridge which soon became a 12 point turn and was really quite entertaining. Peeved a few taxi drivers right off as well. This was capped the other week however, when an old guy in some sort of huge Bentley tried performing the same manouvre, blocking the road for about 5 minutes, as he obviously didn't want to damage his wheels by going up the kerb. It was hilarious seeing the reactions of the taxi and bus drivers who were queued up on either side. Wish more confused tourists had massive cars. york_chap

3:35pm Tue 17 Dec 13

redjan says...

voiceofnormalpeople wrote:
just wait till the end of 2014, this council will do some thing for you residents and you will forget this year and vote them in again, just like tony blair when he promised the referendum then handed power to that useless turd Gordon brown.
i agree so people of York remember and kick this lot out of office for good
[quote][p][bold]voiceofnormalpeople[/bold] wrote: just wait till the end of 2014, this council will do some thing for you residents and you will forget this year and vote them in again, just like tony blair when he promised the referendum then handed power to that useless turd Gordon brown.[/p][/quote]i agree so people of York remember and kick this lot out of office for good redjan

3:44pm Tue 17 Dec 13

YorkPatrol says...

ReginaldBiscuit wrote:
If someone stole Vince off the bridge then that definitely would be a case of cable theft. :D
I belive Vince's middle name is "Lays a"
[quote][p][bold]ReginaldBiscuit[/bold] wrote: If someone stole Vince off the bridge then that definitely would be a case of cable theft. :D[/p][/quote]I belive Vince's middle name is "Lays a" YorkPatrol

5:57pm Tue 17 Dec 13

CaroleBaines says...

I would more question how it was done. The fines situation is a bit of a fiasco. 26,000 in 7 weeks says it all.
I would more question how it was done. The fines situation is a bit of a fiasco. 26,000 in 7 weeks says it all. CaroleBaines

7:00pm Tue 17 Dec 13

jake777 says...

Pedro wrote:
Who is next to join this debate? The Ghost of Elvis? There was that bridge near Cockermouth which was swept away. Good job these drivers were using that. Would be driving in to the river because BRIDGE CLOSED wasn't written in large enough letters or a bus passed at the wrong time.
You could Make the wording 10ft tall but all these who still go over the bridge, would carry on doing so because it doen't have their name on it.
[quote][p][bold]Pedro[/bold] wrote: Who is next to join this debate? The Ghost of Elvis? There was that bridge near Cockermouth which was swept away. Good job these drivers were using that. Would be driving in to the river because BRIDGE CLOSED wasn't written in large enough letters or a bus passed at the wrong time.[/p][/quote]You could Make the wording 10ft tall but all these who still go over the bridge, would carry on doing so because it doen't have their name on it. jake777

9:07pm Tue 17 Dec 13

mike.......durkin says...

a hard time getting in to tawn to loading up waiting till 5.00 i finish 4.30 so mad i dont get pay for lost time grrrrrr.
a hard time getting in to tawn to loading up waiting till 5.00 i finish 4.30 so mad i dont get pay for lost time grrrrrr. mike.......durkin

9:15pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Igiveinthen says...

According to the great Mula Merrett on BBC1 Look North news tonigh the Lendal Bridge restrictions are proving to be a success, bus passenger numbers are up, park & ride usage is up, footfall in the city is up and its altogether a nicer experience, he went on to say that they did this so the people of York would see how we'll it improves the city.
Contrast that with two business men who have shops - one in Stonegate the other in St Helen's square - who say that their businesses are being badly affected by the restrictions, so what is the truth? - answers on a post card please to..............
According to the great Mula Merrett on BBC1 Look North news tonigh the Lendal Bridge restrictions are proving to be a success, bus passenger numbers are up, park & ride usage is up, footfall in the city is up and its altogether a nicer experience, he went on to say that they did this so the people of York would see how we'll it improves the city. Contrast that with two business men who have shops - one in Stonegate the other in St Helen's square - who say that their businesses are being badly affected by the restrictions, so what is the truth? - answers on a post card please to.............. Igiveinthen

1:27am Wed 18 Dec 13

Rocking Horse says...

Knavesmire view wrote:
Merrett in disagreeing with anyone who opposes trial shocker. Merrett in 'there is support for it to become permanent' shocker. Another councillor in a long list that needs to be out of office now for the good of York!
FOUL PLAY !

What is going on here ? Has a council stooge hacked into the press website and altered the voting against the above comment ?

This had the most +ve votes at +c.190 and now has -159 ?

Also my comment at 1.13pm on Mon 16 Dec, had +96 and now has -21.

Can the Press please investigate this, as I think someone is trying to make the council look more popular than they really are !
[quote][p][bold]Knavesmire view[/bold] wrote: Merrett in disagreeing with anyone who opposes trial shocker. Merrett in 'there is support for it to become permanent' shocker. Another councillor in a long list that needs to be out of office now for the good of York![/p][/quote]FOUL PLAY ! What is going on here ? Has a council stooge hacked into the press website and altered the voting against the above comment ? This had the most +ve votes at +c.190 and now has -159 ? Also my comment at 1.13pm on Mon 16 Dec, had +96 and now has -21. Can the Press please investigate this, as I think someone is trying to make the council look more popular than they really are ! Rocking Horse

1:29am Wed 18 Dec 13

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

After todays BBC news article it's no wonder there is a desperate effort currently going on to mark down all the leading comments as I type.

Note the posting time and all leading comments which had 100's of positives and now all neg, the actions of a desperate group if ever there was.

Well at least you can't change the message.
After todays BBC news article it's no wonder there is a desperate effort currently going on to mark down all the leading comments as I type. Note the posting time and all leading comments which had 100's of positives and now all neg, the actions of a desperate group if ever there was. Well at least you can't change the message. YOUWILLDOASISAY

6:49am Wed 18 Dec 13

ouseswimmer says...

YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
After todays BBC news article it's no wonder there is a desperate effort currently going on to mark down all the leading comments as I type. Note the posting time and all leading comments which had 100's of positives and now all neg, the actions of a desperate group if ever there was. Well at least you can't change the message.
You really couldn't make this up. Someone is orchestrating a campaign to deliberately give huge negative scores here. How very Orwellian! Yet their prime goal has ultimately failed because it has now bought this story to the top of the most read stories. This can now become a story in itself.
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: After todays BBC news article it's no wonder there is a desperate effort currently going on to mark down all the leading comments as I type. Note the posting time and all leading comments which had 100's of positives and now all neg, the actions of a desperate group if ever there was. Well at least you can't change the message.[/p][/quote]You really couldn't make this up. Someone is orchestrating a campaign to deliberately give huge negative scores here. How very Orwellian! Yet their prime goal has ultimately failed because it has now bought this story to the top of the most read stories. This can now become a story in itself. ouseswimmer

7:08am Wed 18 Dec 13

Igiveinthen says...

Igiveinthen wrote:
According to the great Mula Merrett on BBC1 Look North news tonigh the Lendal Bridge restrictions are proving to be a success, bus passenger numbers are up, park & ride usage is up, footfall in the city is up and its altogether a nicer experience, he went on to say that they did this so the people of York would see how we'll it improves the city.
Contrast that with two business men who have shops - one in Stonegate the other in St Helen's square - who say that their businesses are being badly affected by the restrictions, so what is the truth? - answers on a post card please to..............
Ouch! Why all the thumbs down? My comment re the BBC1 news item wasn't an opinion it was just stating what Merrett said on the programme!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: According to the great Mula Merrett on BBC1 Look North news tonigh the Lendal Bridge restrictions are proving to be a success, bus passenger numbers are up, park & ride usage is up, footfall in the city is up and its altogether a nicer experience, he went on to say that they did this so the people of York would see how we'll it improves the city. Contrast that with two business men who have shops - one in Stonegate the other in St Helen's square - who say that their businesses are being badly affected by the restrictions, so what is the truth? - answers on a post card please to..............[/p][/quote]Ouch! Why all the thumbs down? My comment re the BBC1 news item wasn't an opinion it was just stating what Merrett said on the programme!!!! Igiveinthen

7:16am Wed 18 Dec 13

Igiveinthen says...

Igiveinthen wrote:
Igiveinthen wrote:
According to the great Mula Merrett on BBC1 Look North news tonigh the Lendal Bridge restrictions are proving to be a success, bus passenger numbers are up, park & ride usage is up, footfall in the city is up and its altogether a nicer experience, he went on to say that they did this so the people of York would see how we'll it improves the city.
Contrast that with two business men who have shops - one in Stonegate the other in St Helen's square - who say that their businesses are being badly affected by the restrictions, so what is the truth? - answers on a post card please to..............
Ouch! Why all the thumbs down? My comment re the BBC1 news item wasn't an opinion it was just stating what Merrett said on the programme!!!!
I should have also re-read all the previous comments before posting my last comment, can't believe how all the thumbs up are now thumbs down, there is definitely something fishy going on on this site, needs looking into.
[quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: According to the great Mula Merrett on BBC1 Look North news tonigh the Lendal Bridge restrictions are proving to be a success, bus passenger numbers are up, park & ride usage is up, footfall in the city is up and its altogether a nicer experience, he went on to say that they did this so the people of York would see how we'll it improves the city. Contrast that with two business men who have shops - one in Stonegate the other in St Helen's square - who say that their businesses are being badly affected by the restrictions, so what is the truth? - answers on a post card please to..............[/p][/quote]Ouch! Why all the thumbs down? My comment re the BBC1 news item wasn't an opinion it was just stating what Merrett said on the programme!!!![/p][/quote]I should have also re-read all the previous comments before posting my last comment, can't believe how all the thumbs up are now thumbs down, there is definitely something fishy going on on this site, needs looking into. Igiveinthen

7:28am Wed 18 Dec 13

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Please mark this down in blocks of 5.

Message:

Merrett's failed trial was broadcast on regional TV yesterday. Business in York is suffering as a consequence and he is in a very small group of believers in his social engineering failure.

It is a disaster for York being publicised in the busiest week leading to Christmas.
Please mark this down in blocks of 5. Message: Merrett's failed trial was broadcast on regional TV yesterday. Business in York is suffering as a consequence and he is in a very small group of believers in his social engineering failure. It is a disaster for York being publicised in the busiest week leading to Christmas. YOUWILLDOASISAY

7:41am Wed 18 Dec 13

Fulfordian says...

Fulfordian wrote:
Just for information and a 'back-check', here is the York Labour Party manifesto for the 2011 council elections: http://www.yorklabou r.org.uk/policy/York %20Deserves%20Better %20-%20Detailed.pdf
Very interesting, to continue the theme of recent posts, mine above (posted on Tuesday) included a link to the York Labour Party council election manifesto of 2011. By close of play on Tuesday, I think it stood at +5. Now, Thursday morning, it's -30!!

Strange, for this wasn't an opinion, simply a link to an actual document that was used, presumably, to get them elected.

I'm with all the others - what the hell is going on with the voting system on here?
[quote][p][bold]Fulfordian[/bold] wrote: Just for information and a 'back-check', here is the York Labour Party manifesto for the 2011 council elections: http://www.yorklabou r.org.uk/policy/York %20Deserves%20Better %20-%20Detailed.pdf[/p][/quote]Very interesting, to continue the theme of recent posts, mine above (posted on Tuesday) included a link to the York Labour Party council election manifesto of 2011. By close of play on Tuesday, I think it stood at +5. Now, Thursday morning, it's -30!! Strange, for this wasn't an opinion, simply a link to an actual document that was used, presumably, to get them elected. I'm with all the others - what the hell is going on with the voting system on here? Fulfordian

7:48am Wed 18 Dec 13

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Merrett claimed on TV yesterday that bus passenger numbers had increased since the trial started.

University 16,000 students, colleges and schools back since September.

Please give this posting a neg score if you agree that the facts are being screwed.
Merrett claimed on TV yesterday that bus passenger numbers had increased since the trial started. University 16,000 students, colleges and schools back since September. Please give this posting a neg score if you agree that the facts are being screwed. YOUWILLDOASISAY

8:15am Wed 18 Dec 13

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Do you believe what Counc Merrett said on regional TV yesterday.

Leave the score at 0 if you believe his comments

Mark Pos or Neg if you doubt what was reported.
Do you believe what Counc Merrett said on regional TV yesterday. Leave the score at 0 if you believe his comments Mark Pos or Neg if you doubt what was reported. YOUWILLDOASISAY

8:16am Wed 18 Dec 13

Fulfordian says...

YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
Merrett claimed on TV yesterday that bus passenger numbers had increased since the trial started. University 16,000 students, colleges and schools back since September. Please give this posting a neg score if you agree that the facts are being screwed.
Hate to say it, but this is the first time I've given you a -ve post! For the record, at 08:14, your score went from +16 to +15. Now I've finished typing this, it's gone back up to +16. Weired!
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: Merrett claimed on TV yesterday that bus passenger numbers had increased since the trial started. University 16,000 students, colleges and schools back since September. Please give this posting a neg score if you agree that the facts are being screwed.[/p][/quote]Hate to say it, but this is the first time I've given you a -ve post! For the record, at 08:14, your score went from +16 to +15. Now I've finished typing this, it's gone back up to +16. Weired! Fulfordian

8:17am Wed 18 Dec 13

Fulfordian says...

Fulfordian wrote:
YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote: Merrett claimed on TV yesterday that bus passenger numbers had increased since the trial started. University 16,000 students, colleges and schools back since September. Please give this posting a neg score if you agree that the facts are being screwed.
Hate to say it, but this is the first time I've given you a -ve post! For the record, at 08:14, your score went from +16 to +15. Now I've finished typing this, it's gone back up to +16. Weired!
And now, 3 minutes later, your score is +36!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Fulfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: Merrett claimed on TV yesterday that bus passenger numbers had increased since the trial started. University 16,000 students, colleges and schools back since September. Please give this posting a neg score if you agree that the facts are being screwed.[/p][/quote]Hate to say it, but this is the first time I've given you a -ve post! For the record, at 08:14, your score went from +16 to +15. Now I've finished typing this, it's gone back up to +16. Weired![/p][/quote]And now, 3 minutes later, your score is +36!!!! Fulfordian

8:45am Wed 18 Dec 13

CaroleBaines says...

I am on minus nine for saying 26,000 fines in 7 weeks is symbolic of bad signage. I mean, what on earth! Is that not the case?

Not that I care about pluses or minuses and am sure both sides play with the figures and have their cohorts. Better things to do with your time, boys, is all I would say, you should have better things to do!
I am on minus nine for saying 26,000 fines in 7 weeks is symbolic of bad signage. I mean, what on earth! Is that not the case? Not that I care about pluses or minuses and am sure both sides play with the figures and have their cohorts. Better things to do with your time, boys, is all I would say, you should have better things to do! CaroleBaines

9:13am Wed 18 Dec 13

ouseswimmer says...

My initial comment here was plus 211 yesterday. Probably a record for the press comment voting. Today it is minus 194! Clearly council staff have been ordered to adjust the figures or be sent to room 101.
My initial comment here was plus 211 yesterday. Probably a record for the press comment voting. Today it is minus 194! Clearly council staff have been ordered to adjust the figures or be sent to room 101. ouseswimmer

9:19am Wed 18 Dec 13

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

It would be all too easy to suspect that Labour councillors were progressing their controlling influences, however it is just as likely to be Conservatives or Lib-Dems aiming to discredit Labour given the news articles this week.

If it were opposition councillor activity trying to discredit Labour then quite frankly they don't need help they are more than competent that sphere.

If it were Labour councillor activity, then time would be better spent attempting to mitigate the damage from yesterdays BBC report that will no doubt have consequences for York.

The opinions expressed don't change merely because of a ratings system.
It would be all too easy to suspect that Labour councillors were progressing their controlling influences, however it is just as likely to be Conservatives or Lib-Dems aiming to discredit Labour given the news articles this week. If it were opposition councillor activity trying to discredit Labour then quite frankly they don't need help they are more than competent that sphere. If it were Labour councillor activity, then time would be better spent attempting to mitigate the damage from yesterdays BBC report that will no doubt have consequences for York. The opinions expressed don't change merely because of a ratings system. YOUWILLDOASISAY

10:45am Wed 18 Dec 13

Fulfordian says...

YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
It would be all too easy to suspect that Labour councillors were progressing their controlling influences, however it is just as likely to be Conservatives or Lib-Dems aiming to discredit Labour given the news articles this week.

If it were opposition councillor activity trying to discredit Labour then quite frankly they don't need help they are more than competent that sphere.

If it were Labour councillor activity, then time would be better spent attempting to mitigate the damage from yesterdays BBC report that will no doubt have consequences for York.

The opinions expressed don't change merely because of a ratings system.
Have you got a link to the BBC report?
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: It would be all too easy to suspect that Labour councillors were progressing their controlling influences, however it is just as likely to be Conservatives or Lib-Dems aiming to discredit Labour given the news articles this week. If it were opposition councillor activity trying to discredit Labour then quite frankly they don't need help they are more than competent that sphere. If it were Labour councillor activity, then time would be better spent attempting to mitigate the damage from yesterdays BBC report that will no doubt have consequences for York. The opinions expressed don't change merely because of a ratings system.[/p][/quote]Have you got a link to the BBC report? Fulfordian

10:50am Wed 18 Dec 13

hikerman says...

Junior123 wrote:
Is Merritt hand in hand with the New Hotel that is being built opposite the Theatre? Is that why Lendal has to be closed off , so their residents will be able to get access easier??? funny how hotel's usually have checking out at 10.30 ish and thats the time the Bridge closes to cars, so their taxis's can get in and out ok. Not had any positive effective on the buses either still run late!!! or are no shows.
junior 123 The closed bridge is to stop pollution around that area for the new hotel .
[quote][p][bold]Junior123[/bold] wrote: Is Merritt hand in hand with the New Hotel that is being built opposite the Theatre? Is that why Lendal has to be closed off , so their residents will be able to get access easier??? funny how hotel's usually have checking out at 10.30 ish and thats the time the Bridge closes to cars, so their taxis's can get in and out ok. Not had any positive effective on the buses either still run late!!! or are no shows.[/p][/quote]junior 123 The closed bridge is to stop pollution around that area for the new hotel . hikerman

11:02am Wed 18 Dec 13

hikerman says...

Junior123 wrote:
Is Merritt hand in hand with the New Hotel that is being built opposite the Theatre? Is that why Lendal has to be closed off , so their residents will be able to get access easier??? funny how hotel's usually have checking out at 10.30 ish and thats the time the Bridge closes to cars, so their taxis's can get in and out ok. Not had any positive effective on the buses either still run late!!! or are no shows.
junior 123 The closed bridge is to stop pollution around that area for the new hotel .
[quote][p][bold]Junior123[/bold] wrote: Is Merritt hand in hand with the New Hotel that is being built opposite the Theatre? Is that why Lendal has to be closed off , so their residents will be able to get access easier??? funny how hotel's usually have checking out at 10.30 ish and thats the time the Bridge closes to cars, so their taxis's can get in and out ok. Not had any positive effective on the buses either still run late!!! or are no shows.[/p][/quote]junior 123 The closed bridge is to stop pollution around that area for the new hotel . hikerman

11:20am Wed 18 Dec 13

long distance depressive says...

This Junta don't do consultation, they don't believe it to be necessary. Anyway, it's not Mr Cable's party that will be dishing out Labour safe seats!!
This Junta don't do consultation, they don't believe it to be necessary. Anyway, it's not Mr Cable's party that will be dishing out Labour safe seats!! long distance depressive

12:10pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Cheeky face says...

At Scarborough Cricket Festival a private coach driver told supporters that a deal for the clearance of most vehicles in St Leonard,s had been made between the council and land purchaser. for the old council buildings!
At Scarborough Cricket Festival a private coach driver told supporters that a deal for the clearance of most vehicles in St Leonard,s had been made between the council and land purchaser. for the old council buildings! Cheeky face

12:59pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Rocking Horse says...

Rocking Horse wrote:
Knavesmire view wrote: Merrett in disagreeing with anyone who opposes trial shocker. Merrett in 'there is support for it to become permanent' shocker. Another councillor in a long list that needs to be out of office now for the good of York!
FOUL PLAY ! What is going on here ? Has a council stooge hacked into the press website and altered the voting against the above comment ? This had the most +ve votes at +c.190 and now has -159 ? Also my comment at 1.13pm on Mon 16 Dec, had +96 and now has -21. Can the Press please investigate this, as I think someone is trying to make the council look more popular than they really are !
Yet more Council/Labour skulduggery (blatant cheating) ?

Knavesmire's comment not -484, and mine -341.

Virtually all the comments now have -ve scores, after having substantial +ve scores for two days.

This is the sign of a desperate council, corrupting legitimate scores and the views of citizens. How can any consultation that the council carries out be trusted, or any results from the Lendal Bridge trial.

The lack of cooments by all these Labour/Council supporters is a giveaway.

This needs to be investigated by the Press, and the sources of these scores tracing, exposing and the accounts cancelled if multiple voting by hacking has taken place..
[quote][p][bold]Rocking Horse[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Knavesmire view[/bold] wrote: Merrett in disagreeing with anyone who opposes trial shocker. Merrett in 'there is support for it to become permanent' shocker. Another councillor in a long list that needs to be out of office now for the good of York![/p][/quote]FOUL PLAY ! What is going on here ? Has a council stooge hacked into the press website and altered the voting against the above comment ? This had the most +ve votes at +c.190 and now has -159 ? Also my comment at 1.13pm on Mon 16 Dec, had +96 and now has -21. Can the Press please investigate this, as I think someone is trying to make the council look more popular than they really are ![/p][/quote]Yet more Council/Labour skulduggery (blatant cheating) ? Knavesmire's comment not -484, and mine -341. Virtually all the comments now have -ve scores, after having substantial +ve scores for two days. This is the sign of a desperate council, corrupting legitimate scores and the views of citizens. How can any consultation that the council carries out be trusted, or any results from the Lendal Bridge trial. The lack of cooments by all these Labour/Council supporters is a giveaway. This needs to be investigated by the Press, and the sources of these scores tracing, exposing and the accounts cancelled if multiple voting by hacking has taken place.. Rocking Horse

1:06pm Wed 18 Dec 13

AGuyFromStrensall says...

Both for and against posts are all being voted down so as much as I'd love to blame the council for it, it suggests a malevolent person/hacker making the system play up. Either that or the press' system went a bit up the spout at a certain time
Both for and against posts are all being voted down so as much as I'd love to blame the council for it, it suggests a malevolent person/hacker making the system play up. Either that or the press' system went a bit up the spout at a certain time AGuyFromStrensall

1:07pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Rocking Horse says...

ouseswimmer wrote:
My initial comment here was plus 211 yesterday. Probably a record for the press comment voting. Today it is minus 194! Clearly council staff have been ordered to adjust the figures or be sent to room 101.
Clearly either the Council or Labour are behind this.

I don't buy YOUWILLDOASISAY's theory that it was opposition parties. Why would they do this when the massive +ve scores were already discrediting CYC/Labour legitimately ?
[quote][p][bold]ouseswimmer[/bold] wrote: My initial comment here was plus 211 yesterday. Probably a record for the press comment voting. Today it is minus 194! Clearly council staff have been ordered to adjust the figures or be sent to room 101.[/p][/quote]Clearly either the Council or Labour are behind this. I don't buy YOUWILLDOASISAY's theory that it was opposition parties. Why would they do this when the massive +ve scores were already discrediting CYC/Labour legitimately ? Rocking Horse

1:11pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Rocking Horse says...

AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Both for and against posts are all being voted down so as much as I'd love to blame the council for it, it suggests a malevolent person/hacker making the system play up. Either that or the press' system went a bit up the spout at a certain time
All convenient for the Council and Labour when they were being slated.

Still, the comments remain and the majority are against the Council on this and most things they are doing.

Controversy follows Alexander, Simpson-Laing and Merrett - they need to be ousted as soon as possible !
[quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: Both for and against posts are all being voted down so as much as I'd love to blame the council for it, it suggests a malevolent person/hacker making the system play up. Either that or the press' system went a bit up the spout at a certain time[/p][/quote]All convenient for the Council and Labour when they were being slated. Still, the comments remain and the majority are against the Council on this and most things they are doing. Controversy follows Alexander, Simpson-Laing and Merrett - they need to be ousted as soon as possible ! Rocking Horse

1:52pm Wed 18 Dec 13

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Fulfordian wrote:
YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
It would be all too easy to suspect that Labour councillors were progressing their controlling influences, however it is just as likely to be Conservatives or Lib-Dems aiming to discredit Labour given the news articles this week.

If it were opposition councillor activity trying to discredit Labour then quite frankly they don't need help they are more than competent that sphere.

If it were Labour councillor activity, then time would be better spent attempting to mitigate the damage from yesterdays BBC report that will no doubt have consequences for York.

The opinions expressed don't change merely because of a ratings system.
Have you got a link to the BBC report?
It was on Look North, both lunch, evening and night.
[quote][p][bold]Fulfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: It would be all too easy to suspect that Labour councillors were progressing their controlling influences, however it is just as likely to be Conservatives or Lib-Dems aiming to discredit Labour given the news articles this week. If it were opposition councillor activity trying to discredit Labour then quite frankly they don't need help they are more than competent that sphere. If it were Labour councillor activity, then time would be better spent attempting to mitigate the damage from yesterdays BBC report that will no doubt have consequences for York. The opinions expressed don't change merely because of a ratings system.[/p][/quote]Have you got a link to the BBC report?[/p][/quote]It was on Look North, both lunch, evening and night. YOUWILLDOASISAY

2:03pm Wed 18 Dec 13

bob12743 says...

Is this the same Vince Cable that organised the consultation about selling off the Post Office?
Is this the same Vince Cable that organised the consultation about selling off the Post Office? bob12743

2:18pm Wed 18 Dec 13

AGuyFromStrensall says...

Rocking Horse wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Both for and against posts are all being voted down so as much as I'd love to blame the council for it, it suggests a malevolent person/hacker making the system play up. Either that or the press' system went a bit up the spout at a certain time
All convenient for the Council and Labour when they were being slated.

Still, the comments remain and the majority are against the Council on this and most things they are doing.

Controversy follows Alexander, Simpson-Laing and Merrett - they need to be ousted as soon as possible !
Still why would Pro council posts be voted down then?

I agree with the majority of views on here, just the consipracy doesn't hold up... :)
[quote][p][bold]Rocking Horse[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: Both for and against posts are all being voted down so as much as I'd love to blame the council for it, it suggests a malevolent person/hacker making the system play up. Either that or the press' system went a bit up the spout at a certain time[/p][/quote]All convenient for the Council and Labour when they were being slated. Still, the comments remain and the majority are against the Council on this and most things they are doing. Controversy follows Alexander, Simpson-Laing and Merrett - they need to be ousted as soon as possible ![/p][/quote]Still why would Pro council posts be voted down then? I agree with the majority of views on here, just the consipracy doesn't hold up... :) AGuyFromStrensall

4:08pm Wed 18 Dec 13

LadyAnneMiddleton says...

Kettle, Pot, Black here.

Due democratic process was followed on Lendal Bridge, right or wrong but tell me, Mr Cable, was privatising the Royal Mail in the LibDem Manifesto?

How much public consultation was there before you underhandedly sold off the Royal Mail for half it was worth ?
Kettle, Pot, Black here. Due democratic process was followed on Lendal Bridge, right or wrong but tell me, Mr Cable, was privatising the Royal Mail in the LibDem Manifesto? How much public consultation was there before you underhandedly sold off the Royal Mail for half it was worth ? LadyAnneMiddleton

5:23pm Wed 18 Dec 13

nowthen says...

Rocking Horse wrote:
Knavesmire view wrote:
Merrett in disagreeing with anyone who opposes trial shocker. Merrett in 'there is support for it to become permanent' shocker. Another councillor in a long list that needs to be out of office now for the good of York!
FOUL PLAY !

What is going on here ? Has a council stooge hacked into the press website and altered the voting against the above comment ?

This had the most +ve votes at +c.190 and now has -159 ?

Also my comment at 1.13pm on Mon 16 Dec, had +96 and now has -21.

Can the Press please investigate this, as I think someone is trying to make the council look more popular than they really are !
Ha ha ha, either the Labour lead council or their sycophants and stooges must be behind this. It shows frightened they are that they try to twist the statistics as per usual for this administration. No worries though as long as they don't try the same game at the next elections.
[quote][p][bold]Rocking Horse[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Knavesmire view[/bold] wrote: Merrett in disagreeing with anyone who opposes trial shocker. Merrett in 'there is support for it to become permanent' shocker. Another councillor in a long list that needs to be out of office now for the good of York![/p][/quote]FOUL PLAY ! What is going on here ? Has a council stooge hacked into the press website and altered the voting against the above comment ? This had the most +ve votes at +c.190 and now has -159 ? Also my comment at 1.13pm on Mon 16 Dec, had +96 and now has -21. Can the Press please investigate this, as I think someone is trying to make the council look more popular than they really are ![/p][/quote]Ha ha ha, either the Labour lead council or their sycophants and stooges must be behind this. It shows frightened they are that they try to twist the statistics as per usual for this administration. No worries though as long as they don't try the same game at the next elections. nowthen

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