Lendal Bridge and Coppergate fines waived

York Press: Lendal Bridge Lendal Bridge

SIXTEEN motorists have had their fines for crossing York’s Lendal Bridge waived after appealing to an independent body, The Press can reveal.

Another 13 have had their fines for driving along Coppergate dropped after appealing to the same national organisation, the Traffic Penalty Tribunal.

The drivers had all turned to the tribunal after City of York Council had dismissed their initial appeals against penalty charge notices, issued for driving along the routes at times when cars are banned.

A tribunal spokesman said the council had decided to concede a total of 29 cases, although seven appeals over Lendal Bridge and 22 for Coppergate were pending and set to go to hearings.

Tony Clarke, the council’s head of transport, said that when appeals were considered by the tribunal, the council was required to submit a detailed evidence pack.

“But on some occasions, limited resources have meant it has not been possible to complete all of this work in the allotted time and so we have decided to not contest these,” he said. “This work has been prioritised and we would advise motorists to continue to avoid using Lendal Bridge and Coppergate during the restricted hours so that they don’t receive a PCN.”

Meanwhile, it has emerged that the council has also decided not to contest a decision by the tribunal to uphold an appeal by motorist Charles Malarkey against a fine for driving along Coppergate.

The Press reported last month that Mr Malarkey argued that signs warning of bus lane restrictions were inadequate but the council insisted the signs were adequate and was looking to see if it could appeal. Darren Richardson, director of city and environmental services, said yesterday that all signage on and leading to Coppergate was designed to the appropriate legal standards and the issue had been about the extent of the evidence supplied to the adjudicator which led to its decision.

He said: “After reviewing the decision made by the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, the council has decided that in this case there would be no benefit in attempting to appeal the TPT’s ruling as this is only a technical issue with the evidence supplied, rather then a fundamental problem with the scheme.”

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11:37am Tue 10 Dec 13

The Great Buda says...

By not to contesting these fines, the Council is showing its not serious about closing Lendal Bridge. If thats the case, re-open it.
By not to contesting these fines, the Council is showing its not serious about closing Lendal Bridge. If thats the case, re-open it. The Great Buda

11:39am Tue 10 Dec 13

AGuyFromStrensall says...

The Great Buda wrote:
By not to contesting these fines, the Council is showing its not serious about closing Lendal Bridge. If thats the case, re-open it.
Don't get me wrong I don't agree one bit with closing the bridge, but I'd object to the council spending thousands and thousands of our money contesting all these fines...
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: By not to contesting these fines, the Council is showing its not serious about closing Lendal Bridge. If thats the case, re-open it.[/p][/quote]Don't get me wrong I don't agree one bit with closing the bridge, but I'd object to the council spending thousands and thousands of our money contesting all these fines... AGuyFromStrensall

11:42am Tue 10 Dec 13

Silver says...

The council is running a survey re the closure of Lendal bridge, https://www.surveymo
nkey.com/s/lendalsur
vey Well worth filling it out and see if we can get 7 people for and a huge majority against that the council will ignore like it did with the 20mph zones.
The council is running a survey re the closure of Lendal bridge, https://www.surveymo nkey.com/s/lendalsur vey Well worth filling it out and see if we can get 7 people for and a huge majority against that the council will ignore like it did with the 20mph zones. Silver

11:51am Tue 10 Dec 13

yorkandproud says...

The new matrix sigh next to the statue at the end of Leeman Road is ridiculous. It says " Lendal bridge closed, 1030 am to 5 pm" . Then a massive flashing arrow pointing you into the lane that takes you over Lendal Bridge. Which numptys are in charge here. You are sending them deliberately over the bridge. You total idiots.
The new matrix sigh next to the statue at the end of Leeman Road is ridiculous. It says " Lendal bridge closed, 1030 am to 5 pm" . Then a massive flashing arrow pointing you into the lane that takes you over Lendal Bridge. Which numptys are in charge here. You are sending them deliberately over the bridge. You total idiots. yorkandproud

12:49pm Tue 10 Dec 13

The Analyst says...

Silver wrote:
The council is running a survey re the closure of Lendal bridge, https://www.surveymo

nkey.com/s/lendalsur

vey Well worth filling it out and see if we can get 7 people for and a huge majority against that the council will ignore like it did with the 20mph zones.
Great - thanks for the link - I don't recall any of us getting a voice/input prior to the scheme, so I've certainly put my points across in this survey!
[quote][p][bold]Silver[/bold] wrote: The council is running a survey re the closure of Lendal bridge, https://www.surveymo nkey.com/s/lendalsur vey Well worth filling it out and see if we can get 7 people for and a huge majority against that the council will ignore like it did with the 20mph zones.[/p][/quote]Great - thanks for the link - I don't recall any of us getting a voice/input prior to the scheme, so I've certainly put my points across in this survey! The Analyst

4:22pm Tue 10 Dec 13

anistasia says...

And the council paying outside contractors for issuing fines if this company looses out because the council don't push for fines will the company sue the council for lost revenue.
And the council paying outside contractors for issuing fines if this company looses out because the council don't push for fines will the company sue the council for lost revenue. anistasia

4:35pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Teabag1 says...

Those signs at Coppergate were simply not good enough, and the council have banked on it to make profit and for what!!! because its not been spent on anything useful, will probably go towards the council fat cats xmas do. Its an absolute disgrace and one more reason not to visit the city centre and go else where.
Those signs at Coppergate were simply not good enough, and the council have banked on it to make profit and for what!!! because its not been spent on anything useful, will probably go towards the council fat cats xmas do. Its an absolute disgrace and one more reason not to visit the city centre and go else where. Teabag1

7:14pm Tue 10 Dec 13

swh1963 says...

The signs (on and off road) into town over Lendal Bridge from the station are clear enough but coming the other way you could easily miss the yellow sign at the end of Gillygate if you were behind a bus or lorry and after that....virtually nothing until it's too late to turn around.
The signs (on and off road) into town over Lendal Bridge from the station are clear enough but coming the other way you could easily miss the yellow sign at the end of Gillygate if you were behind a bus or lorry and after that....virtually nothing until it's too late to turn around. swh1963

8:02pm Tue 10 Dec 13

eeoodares says...

Just wait for the elections and make sure that this lot never get voted in for a generation or more.
Just wait for the elections and make sure that this lot never get voted in for a generation or more. eeoodares

8:10pm Tue 10 Dec 13

bjb says...

I received a PCN for 'bus lane contravention' on Lendal bridge at 18:36. Yes you did not read this wrong 18:36. It also contain photographic evidence that certainly was not Lendal Bridge. I was on the point of posting my representation against the issue of the notice when I received a letter from the Assistant Director Strategic Planning and Transport stating that due to a technical problem the camera system in Coppergate had resulted in the PCN notice being issued in error and had been cancelled as it was unenforceable therefore no appeal was necessary or if the fine had been paid it would be refunded.

One wonders how many of these letters have been sent out to prevent an ever growing level of successful appeals.
I received a PCN for 'bus lane contravention' on Lendal bridge at 18:36. Yes you did not read this wrong 18:36. It also contain photographic evidence that certainly was not Lendal Bridge. I was on the point of posting my representation against the issue of the notice when I received a letter from the Assistant Director Strategic Planning and Transport stating that due to a technical problem the camera system in Coppergate had resulted in the PCN notice being issued in error and had been cancelled as it was unenforceable therefore no appeal was necessary or if the fine had been paid it would be refunded. One wonders how many of these letters have been sent out to prevent an ever growing level of successful appeals. bjb

9:15pm Tue 10 Dec 13

only human says...

my daughter had a fine for going along coppergate at 1852.....these restrictions are so confusing to some people.
Why is it that the rising bollards cease to operate at 6.30 pm so you can then drive towards coppergate but then very sneakily the time changes to 7pm after the traffic lights ,leaving you with no option but to go all the way down picadilly and onto the nightmare rat race route near the barbican and mecca bingo just to come back up along cliffords tower way and pass the end of coppergate.Irs nothing more than a sneaky cash making venture.For the sake of a couple of hundred metres many motorists unfamiliar with York will fall foul of this cheeky little number.shame of the tax raking p,,,, taking cyc
my daughter had a fine for going along coppergate at 1852.....these restrictions are so confusing to some people. Why is it that the rising bollards cease to operate at 6.30 pm so you can then drive towards coppergate but then very sneakily the time changes to 7pm after the traffic lights ,leaving you with no option but to go all the way down picadilly and onto the nightmare rat race route near the barbican and mecca bingo just to come back up along cliffords tower way and pass the end of coppergate.Irs nothing more than a sneaky cash making venture.For the sake of a couple of hundred metres many motorists unfamiliar with York will fall foul of this cheeky little number.shame of the tax raking p,,,, taking cyc only human

12:04am Wed 11 Dec 13

AnotherPointofView says...

Silver wrote:
The council is running a survey re the closure of Lendal bridge, https://www.surveymo

nkey.com/s/lendalsur

vey Well worth filling it out and see if we can get 7 people for and a huge majority against that the council will ignore like it did with the 20mph zones.
Thank you for that Silver. I feel much better for filling that in!!!

I couldn't get it to run properly in Windows but in was ok under Firefox.
[quote][p][bold]Silver[/bold] wrote: The council is running a survey re the closure of Lendal bridge, https://www.surveymo nkey.com/s/lendalsur vey Well worth filling it out and see if we can get 7 people for and a huge majority against that the council will ignore like it did with the 20mph zones.[/p][/quote]Thank you for that Silver. I feel much better for filling that in!!! I couldn't get it to run properly in Windows but in was ok under Firefox. AnotherPointofView

9:45am Wed 11 Dec 13

Dontfleecethetourists says...

bjb wrote:
I received a PCN for 'bus lane contravention' on Lendal bridge at 18:36. Yes you did not read this wrong 18:36. It also contain photographic evidence that certainly was not Lendal Bridge. I was on the point of posting my representation against the issue of the notice when I received a letter from the Assistant Director Strategic Planning and Transport stating that due to a technical problem the camera system in Coppergate had resulted in the PCN notice being issued in error and had been cancelled as it was unenforceable therefore no appeal was necessary or if the fine had been paid it would be refunded.

One wonders how many of these letters have been sent out to prevent an ever growing level of successful appeals.
that is very interesting.

Especially to people from outside the a and haven't had a clue to where they are . Cussed a few times and then stumped up.

If no one has checked all these PCN s it makes me wonder how many have have squeezed through.

I was one of the people whose PCN on lendal bridge was quashed.
We had to go to reappeal and risk paying £60. Ours was not contested either.

I'm sad that so many people were caught yet so few appealed. The sheer weight of numbers spoke for themselves.

My advice.....appeal even if you have paid up. They cannot let a few off like this and not let everyone else. Simples.

The signs are a joke. I have it on good advice that being fined for being on a bus lane when the bus lane does not meet regulatory standards is illegal.

So get your appeals in folks.

Even the new signs are a joke
[quote][p][bold]bjb[/bold] wrote: I received a PCN for 'bus lane contravention' on Lendal bridge at 18:36. Yes you did not read this wrong 18:36. It also contain photographic evidence that certainly was not Lendal Bridge. I was on the point of posting my representation against the issue of the notice when I received a letter from the Assistant Director Strategic Planning and Transport stating that due to a technical problem the camera system in Coppergate had resulted in the PCN notice being issued in error and had been cancelled as it was unenforceable therefore no appeal was necessary or if the fine had been paid it would be refunded. One wonders how many of these letters have been sent out to prevent an ever growing level of successful appeals.[/p][/quote]that is very interesting. Especially to people from outside the a and haven't had a clue to where they are . Cussed a few times and then stumped up. If no one has checked all these PCN s it makes me wonder how many have have squeezed through. I was one of the people whose PCN on lendal bridge was quashed. We had to go to reappeal and risk paying £60. Ours was not contested either. I'm sad that so many people were caught yet so few appealed. The sheer weight of numbers spoke for themselves. My advice.....appeal even if you have paid up. They cannot let a few off like this and not let everyone else. Simples. The signs are a joke. I have it on good advice that being fined for being on a bus lane when the bus lane does not meet regulatory standards is illegal. So get your appeals in folks. Even the new signs are a joke Dontfleecethetourists

10:17am Wed 11 Dec 13

Dontfleecethetourists says...

Meant to add Facebook have two excellent pages. Say no to lendal bridge close and stop lendal bridge con

Anyone considering to appeal after the event, I have it on good authority that the council is still accepting appeals even if uouve paid.

All the info you need is on these sites including photos and videos.

By the time you have finished you will be an expert on that area of York.

Cannot believe so few appealed!!!

Come on York council. Time to give the money back!
Meant to add Facebook have two excellent pages. Say no to lendal bridge close and stop lendal bridge con Anyone considering to appeal after the event, I have it on good authority that the council is still accepting appeals even if uouve paid. All the info you need is on these sites including photos and videos. By the time you have finished you will be an expert on that area of York. Cannot believe so few appealed!!! Come on York council. Time to give the money back! Dontfleecethetourists

1:17pm Wed 11 Dec 13

sixtyfourfive says...

After hearing Richardson (whatever his grand title is) and Merrett trying to justify this entire experiment on Radio York a few days back, I am not surprised what a fiasco has ensued. It is a long time since I have heard such meaningless rubbish spouted in trying to defend this absurd scheme.With such uninspiring characters in charge what should we expect?
After hearing Richardson (whatever his grand title is) and Merrett trying to justify this entire experiment on Radio York a few days back, I am not surprised what a fiasco has ensued. It is a long time since I have heard such meaningless rubbish spouted in trying to defend this absurd scheme.With such uninspiring characters in charge what should we expect? sixtyfourfive

2:43pm Wed 11 Dec 13

mike.......durkin says...

this is the road wot we pay tax on.re open it for all uses plus copper gate
stop using us like monney bags we will all get on well happy xmass
this is the road wot we pay tax on.re open it for all uses plus copper gate stop using us like monney bags we will all get on well happy xmass mike.......durkin

5:11pm Wed 11 Dec 13

MorkofYork says...

I noticed the mess of yellow signs at Gillygate have disappeared, i haven't seen the new ones yet.
I think some non car haters are interested to see the outcome of the closure and i think they make this a trial, so we need to stick it out.
Everyone be prepared to sing loud at the end because i don't really trust the council to represent it honestly.

They definitely messed up fining so many people.
I noticed the mess of yellow signs at Gillygate have disappeared, i haven't seen the new ones yet. I think some non car haters are interested to see the outcome of the closure and i think they make this a trial, so we need to stick it out. Everyone be prepared to sing loud at the end because i don't really trust the council to represent it honestly. They definitely messed up fining so many people. MorkofYork

7:09pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Dontfleecethetourists says...

Time for a day of action I'm thinking!
Time for a day of action I'm thinking! Dontfleecethetourists

7:34pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Silver says...

AnotherPointofView wrote:
Silver wrote:
The council is running a survey re the closure of Lendal bridge, https://www.surveymo


nkey.com/s/lendalsur


vey Well worth filling it out and see if we can get 7 people for and a huge majority against that the council will ignore like it did with the 20mph zones.
Thank you for that Silver. I feel much better for filling that in!!!

I couldn't get it to run properly in Windows but in was ok under Firefox.
No problem might as well give em honest feedback. I'd love to see the results but doubt they'll share em
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Silver[/bold] wrote: The council is running a survey re the closure of Lendal bridge, https://www.surveymo nkey.com/s/lendalsur vey Well worth filling it out and see if we can get 7 people for and a huge majority against that the council will ignore like it did with the 20mph zones.[/p][/quote]Thank you for that Silver. I feel much better for filling that in!!! I couldn't get it to run properly in Windows but in was ok under Firefox.[/p][/quote]No problem might as well give em honest feedback. I'd love to see the results but doubt they'll share em Silver

1:47am Thu 12 Dec 13

sniper 9964 says...

Why coppergate its been restricted for years. Total incompetent cyc car driver's think the law does not apply to them just like moblie phone law
Why coppergate its been restricted for years. Total incompetent cyc car driver's think the law does not apply to them just like moblie phone law sniper 9964

10:49am Thu 12 Dec 13

Cheeky face says...

I have queries on Coppergate and Lendal Bridge still outstanding from as early as late July when I was told what words would go on the early warning signs which the council say are advisory. These are the "event signs" sited by the AA. The council still say restricted access is succinct;--- not according to the traffic signs regs. We had restricted access over Lendal Bridge before this trial. (Leeds had a trial 15 years ago where you were penalised or inconvenienced if the cars only had the driver on board; this being to reduce the cars entering Leeds fro the Harrogate and Wetherby areas.)
And the council say they atre not doing the Lendal Bridge trial for the money..

Earlier warning signs leading to Coppergate extended restriction times was mentioned by me 2 months ago. These signs on Piccadilly should be further from Coppergate and quote the times; the motorists could turn round.
I have queries on Coppergate and Lendal Bridge still outstanding from as early as late July when I was told what words would go on the early warning signs which the council say are advisory. These are the "event signs" sited by the AA. The council still say restricted access is succinct;--- not according to the traffic signs regs. We had restricted access over Lendal Bridge before this trial. (Leeds had a trial 15 years ago where you were penalised or inconvenienced if the cars only had the driver on board; this being to reduce the cars entering Leeds fro the Harrogate and Wetherby areas.) And the council say they atre not doing the Lendal Bridge trial for the money.. Earlier warning signs leading to Coppergate extended restriction times was mentioned by me 2 months ago. These signs on Piccadilly should be further from Coppergate and quote the times; the motorists could turn round. Cheeky face

8:46am Fri 13 Dec 13

Dontfleecethetourists says...

Can everyone stop ignoring the question please.

Just what are the locals doing to organise themselves about this?

And before anyone asks...it's great fun round ours at Christmas ;-)

Seriously though....it's got to come from York locals.
Can everyone stop ignoring the question please. Just what are the locals doing to organise themselves about this? And before anyone asks...it's great fun round ours at Christmas ;-) Seriously though....it's got to come from York locals. Dontfleecethetourists

11:55am Sat 14 Dec 13

wallman says...

Tony Clarke? says they don't have enough time sometimes to process the PCN so that person is not fined, surely each ticket takes the same amount of time
Tony Clarke? says they don't have enough time sometimes to process the PCN so that person is not fined, surely each ticket takes the same amount of time wallman

2:17pm Sat 14 Dec 13

wallman says...

Teabag1 wrote:
Those signs at Coppergate were simply not good enough, and the council have banked on it to make profit and for what!!! because its not been spent on anything useful, will probably go towards the council fat cats xmas do. Its an absolute disgrace and one more reason not to visit the city centre and go else where.
what signs, at Clifford St. end they weren't there the first day. But our caring council will not tell the truth
[quote][p][bold]Teabag1[/bold] wrote: Those signs at Coppergate were simply not good enough, and the council have banked on it to make profit and for what!!! because its not been spent on anything useful, will probably go towards the council fat cats xmas do. Its an absolute disgrace and one more reason not to visit the city centre and go else where.[/p][/quote]what signs, at Clifford St. end they weren't there the first day. But our caring council will not tell the truth wallman

2:17pm Sat 14 Dec 13

wallman says...

Teabag1 wrote:
Those signs at Coppergate were simply not good enough, and the council have banked on it to make profit and for what!!! because its not been spent on anything useful, will probably go towards the council fat cats xmas do. Its an absolute disgrace and one more reason not to visit the city centre and go else where.
what signs, at Clifford St. end they weren't there the first day. But our caring council will not tell the truth
[quote][p][bold]Teabag1[/bold] wrote: Those signs at Coppergate were simply not good enough, and the council have banked on it to make profit and for what!!! because its not been spent on anything useful, will probably go towards the council fat cats xmas do. Its an absolute disgrace and one more reason not to visit the city centre and go else where.[/p][/quote]what signs, at Clifford St. end they weren't there the first day. But our caring council will not tell the truth wallman

5:18pm Sat 14 Dec 13

wallman says...

sniper 9964 wrote:
Why coppergate its been restricted for years. Total incompetent cyc car driver's think the law does not apply to them just like moblie phone law
restricted from 8 am not 7 am no warning no signs i'm not a incompetent car driver. Do you drive sniper or are you 1 of pps gang?
[quote][p][bold]sniper 9964[/bold] wrote: Why coppergate its been restricted for years. Total incompetent cyc car driver's think the law does not apply to them just like moblie phone law[/p][/quote]restricted from 8 am not 7 am no warning no signs i'm not a incompetent car driver. Do you drive sniper or are you 1 of pps gang? wallman

9:57pm Sat 14 Dec 13

sniper 9964 says...

I drive I ride a Mc I have more cats on my licence than most on on here. I have a DQC / CPC I also am Adi the signs are clear. The coverage in media has been clear. Any idiot that drives through coppergate now deserves a fine. I think points also. May be these are the type of driver's that think its ok to use mobile phones. Stop on yellow lines and pedestrian crossing not to mention jump lights
I drive I ride a Mc I have more cats on my licence than most on on here. I have a DQC / CPC I also am Adi the signs are clear. The coverage in media has been clear. Any idiot that drives through coppergate now deserves a fine. I think points also. May be these are the type of driver's that think its ok to use mobile phones. Stop on yellow lines and pedestrian crossing not to mention jump lights sniper 9964

10:04pm Sat 14 Dec 13

sniper 9964 says...

CyC should grow some balls and enforce the city centre loading ban.
I don't know why people pay to use city centre car parks. When one can park any where in the city centre and not receiving a PCN. parking wommbles never enforce in the city centre
CyC should grow some balls and enforce the city centre loading ban. I don't know why people pay to use city centre car parks. When one can park any where in the city centre and not receiving a PCN. parking wommbles never enforce in the city centre sniper 9964

11:56am Sun 15 Dec 13

wallman says...

sniper there was no media coverage from Coppergate when our caring council changed the times please read the comments properly before you call people idiots. I might think you are 1
sniper there was no media coverage from Coppergate when our caring council changed the times please read the comments properly before you call people idiots. I might think you are 1 wallman

11:59am Sun 15 Dec 13

JBYork says...

Seems to me that if the Council had submitted their evidence to the national tribunal and it was not then upheld by that body then they would not only be waiving fines for these few here but also setting a precedent for the other 26.000 odd cases that have been reported about in the recent press. I think the council should have to present their evidence when contested because otherwise it's just to easy for them to walk away from this.... And one more thing, why aren't these questions being raised by the newspaper?
Seems to me that if the Council had submitted their evidence to the national tribunal and it was not then upheld by that body then they would not only be waiving fines for these few here but also setting a precedent for the other 26.000 odd cases that have been reported about in the recent press. I think the council should have to present their evidence when contested because otherwise it's just to easy for them to walk away from this.... And one more thing, why aren't these questions being raised by the newspaper? JBYork

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