York councillor calls for housing boss to resign

York Press: . .

A YORK councillor is to call for the city’s deputy council leader to resign after claiming she had failed to ensure the city has enough affordable housing.

Rawcliffe, Skelton and Clifton Without councillor Joe Watt, of City of York Council’s Conservative group, will move a motion at Thursday’s full meeting of the authority requesting Coun Tracey Simpson-Laing quits as the Labour council’s cabinet member for health, housing and adult social services.

He said she had consistently supported or brought in policies which had led to less affordable housing being built in York.

Coun Simpson-Laing said the motion was a “bitter personal attack”, and the Tories had opposed Labour’s plans for new homes across York, which the party has said will help drive down prices and address the city’s “housing crisis”.

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10:52am Sat 7 Dec 13

roskoboskovic says...

simpson -laing is only one of a number of labour/green party councillors not fit for purpose.how do we end up with such a motley crew.
simpson -laing is only one of a number of labour/green party councillors not fit for purpose.how do we end up with such a motley crew. roskoboskovic

11:09am Sat 7 Dec 13

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Coun Simpson-Laing said the motion was a “bitter personal attack”.

A weak defence bourn out of a weak mind and performance, take a duvet day and list the housing successes otherwise your critic wins.

The tories have opposed many Labour’s plans and managed to stop nothing and yet this is your defence, nonsense.
Coun Simpson-Laing said the motion was a “bitter personal attack”. A weak defence bourn out of a weak mind and performance, take a duvet day and list the housing successes otherwise your critic wins. The tories have opposed many Labour’s plans and managed to stop nothing and yet this is your defence, nonsense. YOUWILLDOASISAY

11:50am Sat 7 Dec 13

Dave Ruddock says...

im sure there most be real heads of departments, the councilors are onlt elected figurheads, is theere any watchdog for these beurocrats, or its down to Grammer school, university debates and foebid (SelfRegulation)...
im sure there most be real heads of departments, the councilors are onlt elected figurheads, is theere any watchdog for these beurocrats, or its down to Grammer school, university debates and foebid (SelfRegulation)... Dave Ruddock

12:49pm Sat 7 Dec 13

inthesticks says...

Dave Ruddock wrote:
im sure there most be real heads of departments, the councilors are onlt elected figurheads, is theere any watchdog for these beurocrats, or its down to Grammer school, university debates and foebid (SelfRegulation)...
There are.
Kersten England
Chief Executive
£133750
Bill Woolley
Director of City and Environmental Services
£102766
Sally Burns
Director of Communities and Neighbourhoods
£102766
Steve Waddington
Assistant Director - Housing and Community Safety
£68413
Andrew Docherty
Assistant Director - Legal Civic Democratic and IT
£73401
Mike Slater
Assistant Director - City Development and Sustainability
£68413
Richard Wood
Assistant Director - Strategic Planning and Transport
£68413

These are the people ultimately responsible. They seem to manage to stay out of the limelight. So there they are and the wages we pay them.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Ruddock[/bold] wrote: im sure there most be real heads of departments, the councilors are onlt elected figurheads, is theere any watchdog for these beurocrats, or its down to Grammer school, university debates and foebid (SelfRegulation)...[/p][/quote]There are. Kersten England Chief Executive £133750 Bill Woolley Director of City and Environmental Services £102766 Sally Burns Director of Communities and Neighbourhoods £102766 Steve Waddington Assistant Director - Housing and Community Safety £68413 Andrew Docherty Assistant Director - Legal Civic Democratic and IT £73401 Mike Slater Assistant Director - City Development and Sustainability £68413 Richard Wood Assistant Director - Strategic Planning and Transport £68413 These are the people ultimately responsible. They seem to manage to stay out of the limelight. So there they are and the wages we pay them. inthesticks

12:58pm Sat 7 Dec 13

AnotherPointofView says...

I call for those responsible for York's roads to resign because of the failure to keep roads and bridges open.
I call for those responsible for York's roads to resign because of the failure to keep roads and bridges open. AnotherPointofView

1:35pm Sat 7 Dec 13

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

I call for all councillors who have failed to seek and represent the interests and opinions of residents to resign.
I call for all councillors who have failed to seek and represent the interests and opinions of residents to resign. YOUWILLDOASISAY

2:52pm Sat 7 Dec 13

wallman says...

inthesticks wrote:
Dave Ruddock wrote:
im sure there most be real heads of departments, the councilors are onlt elected figurheads, is theere any watchdog for these beurocrats, or its down to Grammer school, university debates and foebid (SelfRegulation)...
There are.
Kersten England
Chief Executive
£133750
Bill Woolley
Director of City and Environmental Services
£102766
Sally Burns
Director of Communities and Neighbourhoods
£102766
Steve Waddington
Assistant Director - Housing and Community Safety
£68413
Andrew Docherty
Assistant Director - Legal Civic Democratic and IT
£73401
Mike Slater
Assistant Director - City Development and Sustainability
£68413
Richard Wood
Assistant Director - Strategic Planning and Transport
£68413

These are the people ultimately responsible. They seem to manage to stay out of the limelight. So there they are and the wages we pay them.
do the council tell these people what to do or is it the other way round? whatever they are all paid to much, would they take a pay cut to help some services that are being cut?
[quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Ruddock[/bold] wrote: im sure there most be real heads of departments, the councilors are onlt elected figurheads, is theere any watchdog for these beurocrats, or its down to Grammer school, university debates and foebid (SelfRegulation)...[/p][/quote]There are. Kersten England Chief Executive £133750 Bill Woolley Director of City and Environmental Services £102766 Sally Burns Director of Communities and Neighbourhoods £102766 Steve Waddington Assistant Director - Housing and Community Safety £68413 Andrew Docherty Assistant Director - Legal Civic Democratic and IT £73401 Mike Slater Assistant Director - City Development and Sustainability £68413 Richard Wood Assistant Director - Strategic Planning and Transport £68413 These are the people ultimately responsible. They seem to manage to stay out of the limelight. So there they are and the wages we pay them.[/p][/quote]do the council tell these people what to do or is it the other way round? whatever they are all paid to much, would they take a pay cut to help some services that are being cut? wallman

4:34pm Sat 7 Dec 13

chelk says...

If anyone expects a Public employee in her position to do the right and decent thing I am afraid they will have a long wait. The Muppet Show continues
If anyone expects a Public employee in her position to do the right and decent thing I am afraid they will have a long wait. The Muppet Show continues chelk

4:54pm Sat 7 Dec 13

inthesticks says...

wallman wrote:
inthesticks wrote:
Dave Ruddock wrote:
im sure there most be real heads of departments, the councilors are onlt elected figurheads, is theere any watchdog for these beurocrats, or its down to Grammer school, university debates and foebid (SelfRegulation)...
There are.
Kersten England
Chief Executive
£133750
Bill Woolley
Director of City and Environmental Services
£102766
Sally Burns
Director of Communities and Neighbourhoods
£102766
Steve Waddington
Assistant Director - Housing and Community Safety
£68413
Andrew Docherty
Assistant Director - Legal Civic Democratic and IT
£73401
Mike Slater
Assistant Director - City Development and Sustainability
£68413
Richard Wood
Assistant Director - Strategic Planning and Transport
£68413

These are the people ultimately responsible. They seem to manage to stay out of the limelight. So there they are and the wages we pay them.
do the council tell these people what to do or is it the other way round? whatever they are all paid to much, would they take a pay cut to help some services that are being cut?
I would say the paid staff are responsible for making sure that legal procedures are followed. Councillors represent us and make decisions at meetings and the paid staff are then to carry them out. If elected councillors were to do something that was unlawful or unwise the paid execs say so.
And, no, I doubt very much if any of them would take a pay cut, soft top sports cars don`t come cheap you know.
[quote][p][bold]wallman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Ruddock[/bold] wrote: im sure there most be real heads of departments, the councilors are onlt elected figurheads, is theere any watchdog for these beurocrats, or its down to Grammer school, university debates and foebid (SelfRegulation)...[/p][/quote]There are. Kersten England Chief Executive £133750 Bill Woolley Director of City and Environmental Services £102766 Sally Burns Director of Communities and Neighbourhoods £102766 Steve Waddington Assistant Director - Housing and Community Safety £68413 Andrew Docherty Assistant Director - Legal Civic Democratic and IT £73401 Mike Slater Assistant Director - City Development and Sustainability £68413 Richard Wood Assistant Director - Strategic Planning and Transport £68413 These are the people ultimately responsible. They seem to manage to stay out of the limelight. So there they are and the wages we pay them.[/p][/quote]do the council tell these people what to do or is it the other way round? whatever they are all paid to much, would they take a pay cut to help some services that are being cut?[/p][/quote]I would say the paid staff are responsible for making sure that legal procedures are followed. Councillors represent us and make decisions at meetings and the paid staff are then to carry them out. If elected councillors were to do something that was unlawful or unwise the paid execs say so. And, no, I doubt very much if any of them would take a pay cut, soft top sports cars don`t come cheap you know. inthesticks

5:20pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Alf Garnett says...

Only a short while ago posters on this site were attacking the council for imposing too strict quotas on new developments for affordable housing. Damned if ayou do and damned if you don't. How a tory can criticise anyone - anyone - on housing beats me.
Only a short while ago posters on this site were attacking the council for imposing too strict quotas on new developments for affordable housing. Damned if ayou do and damned if you don't. How a tory can criticise anyone - anyone - on housing beats me. Alf Garnett

5:28pm Sat 7 Dec 13

courier46 says...

inthesticks wrote:
Dave Ruddock wrote:
im sure there most be real heads of departments, the councilors are onlt elected figurheads, is theere any watchdog for these beurocrats, or its down to Grammer school, university debates and foebid (SelfRegulation)...
There are.
Kersten England
Chief Executive
£133750
Bill Woolley
Director of City and Environmental Services
£102766
Sally Burns
Director of Communities and Neighbourhoods
£102766
Steve Waddington
Assistant Director - Housing and Community Safety
£68413
Andrew Docherty
Assistant Director - Legal Civic Democratic and IT
£73401
Mike Slater
Assistant Director - City Development and Sustainability
£68413
Richard Wood
Assistant Director - Strategic Planning and Transport
£68413

These are the people ultimately responsible. They seem to manage to stay out of the limelight. So there they are and the wages we pay them.
And when we complain about there crazy wages all we get is the standard reply-"it`s the going rate".
Can they really hand on heart say they are worth this amount of money
[quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Ruddock[/bold] wrote: im sure there most be real heads of departments, the councilors are onlt elected figurheads, is theere any watchdog for these beurocrats, or its down to Grammer school, university debates and foebid (SelfRegulation)...[/p][/quote]There are. Kersten England Chief Executive £133750 Bill Woolley Director of City and Environmental Services £102766 Sally Burns Director of Communities and Neighbourhoods £102766 Steve Waddington Assistant Director - Housing and Community Safety £68413 Andrew Docherty Assistant Director - Legal Civic Democratic and IT £73401 Mike Slater Assistant Director - City Development and Sustainability £68413 Richard Wood Assistant Director - Strategic Planning and Transport £68413 These are the people ultimately responsible. They seem to manage to stay out of the limelight. So there they are and the wages we pay them.[/p][/quote]And when we complain about there crazy wages all we get is the standard reply-"it`s the going rate". Can they really hand on heart say they are worth this amount of money courier46

8:52pm Sat 7 Dec 13

chelk says...

courier46 wrote:
inthesticks wrote:
Dave Ruddock wrote:
im sure there most be real heads of departments, the councilors are onlt elected figurheads, is theere any watchdog for these beurocrats, or its down to Grammer school, university debates and foebid (SelfRegulation)...
There are.
Kersten England
Chief Executive
£133750
Bill Woolley
Director of City and Environmental Services
£102766
Sally Burns
Director of Communities and Neighbourhoods
£102766
Steve Waddington
Assistant Director - Housing and Community Safety
£68413
Andrew Docherty
Assistant Director - Legal Civic Democratic and IT
£73401
Mike Slater
Assistant Director - City Development and Sustainability
£68413
Richard Wood
Assistant Director - Strategic Planning and Transport
£68413

These are the people ultimately responsible. They seem to manage to stay out of the limelight. So there they are and the wages we pay them.
And when we complain about there crazy wages all we get is the standard reply-"it`s the going rate".
Can they really hand on heart say they are worth this amount of money
Yes they will whilst standing with their feet in the trough
[quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Ruddock[/bold] wrote: im sure there most be real heads of departments, the councilors are onlt elected figurheads, is theere any watchdog for these beurocrats, or its down to Grammer school, university debates and foebid (SelfRegulation)...[/p][/quote]There are. Kersten England Chief Executive £133750 Bill Woolley Director of City and Environmental Services £102766 Sally Burns Director of Communities and Neighbourhoods £102766 Steve Waddington Assistant Director - Housing and Community Safety £68413 Andrew Docherty Assistant Director - Legal Civic Democratic and IT £73401 Mike Slater Assistant Director - City Development and Sustainability £68413 Richard Wood Assistant Director - Strategic Planning and Transport £68413 These are the people ultimately responsible. They seem to manage to stay out of the limelight. So there they are and the wages we pay them.[/p][/quote]And when we complain about there crazy wages all we get is the standard reply-"it`s the going rate". Can they really hand on heart say they are worth this amount of money[/p][/quote]Yes they will whilst standing with their feet in the trough chelk

10:22pm Sat 7 Dec 13

BioLogic says...

Alf Garnett wrote:
Only a short while ago posters on this site were attacking the council for imposing too strict quotas on new developments for affordable housing. Damned if ayou do and damned if you don't. How a tory can criticise anyone - anyone - on housing beats me.
The issue with the strict quotas is they prevent development. Currently the defacto criteria is that any development over 14 dwellings must include 25% affordable housing. Because this is not currently viable for developers, nothing over 14 homes is being built, meaning no affordable homes. If memory serves they have managed to get around 6 affordable homes built in the past 2 years. If they lower the quota then more developments would become viable and they would get more affordable homes. But as we are discovering this Labour administration never gets anything wrong and will not go back on something even when it clearly isn't achieving what it set out to do.
[quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: Only a short while ago posters on this site were attacking the council for imposing too strict quotas on new developments for affordable housing. Damned if ayou do and damned if you don't. How a tory can criticise anyone - anyone - on housing beats me.[/p][/quote]The issue with the strict quotas is they prevent development. Currently the defacto criteria is that any development over 14 dwellings must include 25% affordable housing. Because this is not currently viable for developers, nothing over 14 homes is being built, meaning no affordable homes. If memory serves they have managed to get around 6 affordable homes built in the past 2 years. If they lower the quota then more developments would become viable and they would get more affordable homes. But as we are discovering this Labour administration never gets anything wrong and will not go back on something even when it clearly isn't achieving what it set out to do. BioLogic

1:00pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Rocking Horse says...

Dave Ruddock wrote:
im sure there most be real heads of departments, the councilors are onlt elected figurheads, is theere any watchdog for these beurocrats, or its down to Grammer school, university debates and foebid (SelfRegulation)...
Why do you think that York's housing policies are such a disaster ?

It's because the housing officers are aligned with Labour. Even when the Lib-Dems were in administrration, it was officers who were running the show, by ensuring that councillors were 'informed' with 'preferred options' designed to achieve the desired policies - left wing aligned ones !

Simpson-Laing and Merrett plus their cabal of politicised officers run the housing system; one that lost over £500m to York's economy between 2005-2008. Whilst the rest of the region and the country were enjoying growth in housing, York were in decline - why ? Look no further than the 50% affordable housing target introduced in April 2005 (thought up and proposed by Merrett in late 2002).

Why do you think that the Council don't quote their housing figures and planning consents from 2005 to date ? Because they show that York has underperformed the rest of the country by a massive margin. Their numbers are a disaster and a disgrace. Those responsible should be exposed and made to answer for their miosmanagement. Joe Watt is 100% correct with this motion - Simpson-Laing is not fit to do the job - get her out !
[quote][p][bold]Dave Ruddock[/bold] wrote: im sure there most be real heads of departments, the councilors are onlt elected figurheads, is theere any watchdog for these beurocrats, or its down to Grammer school, university debates and foebid (SelfRegulation)...[/p][/quote]Why do you think that York's housing policies are such a disaster ? It's because the housing officers are aligned with Labour. Even when the Lib-Dems were in administrration, it was officers who were running the show, by ensuring that councillors were 'informed' with 'preferred options' designed to achieve the desired policies - left wing aligned ones ! Simpson-Laing and Merrett plus their cabal of politicised officers run the housing system; one that lost over £500m to York's economy between 2005-2008. Whilst the rest of the region and the country were enjoying growth in housing, York were in decline - why ? Look no further than the 50% affordable housing target introduced in April 2005 (thought up and proposed by Merrett in late 2002). Why do you think that the Council don't quote their housing figures and planning consents from 2005 to date ? Because they show that York has underperformed the rest of the country by a massive margin. Their numbers are a disaster and a disgrace. Those responsible should be exposed and made to answer for their miosmanagement. Joe Watt is 100% correct with this motion - Simpson-Laing is not fit to do the job - get her out ! Rocking Horse

1:15pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Rocking Horse says...

inthesticks wrote:
Dave Ruddock wrote: im sure there most be real heads of departments, the councilors are onlt elected figurheads, is theere any watchdog for these beurocrats, or its down to Grammer school, university debates and foebid (SelfRegulation)...
There are. Kersten England Chief Executive £133750 Bill Woolley Director of City and Environmental Services £102766 Sally Burns Director of Communities and Neighbourhoods £102766 Steve Waddington Assistant Director - Housing and Community Safety £68413 Andrew Docherty Assistant Director - Legal Civic Democratic and IT £73401 Mike Slater Assistant Director - City Development and Sustainability £68413 Richard Wood Assistant Director - Strategic Planning and Transport £68413 These are the people ultimately responsible. They seem to manage to stay out of the limelight. So there they are and the wages we pay them.
You missed a few others;
Correct, and all of the above, plus those named below are listed with their salaries on the Council's website, so I hope the Press will not be persuaded by CYC's comms (spin doctors) to remove this information, which is in the public domain.

Add:;
Derek Gauld - Head of Major Development Projects/Initiatives - £46,543
Martin Grainger - Head of Integrated Strategy - £46,543
plus the Housing Strategy Manager and Housing Development Manager.

Corrections:
Bill Woolley (left c.May 2012) and was replaced by Darren Richardson (started 05/11/12) - currently on £92,491

Steve Waddington, Michael Slater, and Richard Wood are currently on £73,401 (not £68,413)
[quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Ruddock[/bold] wrote: im sure there most be real heads of departments, the councilors are onlt elected figurheads, is theere any watchdog for these beurocrats, or its down to Grammer school, university debates and foebid (SelfRegulation)...[/p][/quote]There are. Kersten England Chief Executive £133750 Bill Woolley Director of City and Environmental Services £102766 Sally Burns Director of Communities and Neighbourhoods £102766 Steve Waddington Assistant Director - Housing and Community Safety £68413 Andrew Docherty Assistant Director - Legal Civic Democratic and IT £73401 Mike Slater Assistant Director - City Development and Sustainability £68413 Richard Wood Assistant Director - Strategic Planning and Transport £68413 These are the people ultimately responsible. They seem to manage to stay out of the limelight. So there they are and the wages we pay them.[/p][/quote]You missed a few others; Correct, and all of the above, plus those named below are listed with their salaries on the Council's website, so I hope the Press will not be persuaded by CYC's comms (spin doctors) to remove this information, which is in the public domain. Add:; Derek Gauld - Head of Major Development Projects/Initiatives - £46,543 Martin Grainger - Head of Integrated Strategy - £46,543 plus the Housing Strategy Manager and Housing Development Manager. Corrections: Bill Woolley (left c.May 2012) and was replaced by Darren Richardson (started 05/11/12) - currently on £92,491 Steve Waddington, Michael Slater, and Richard Wood are currently on £73,401 (not £68,413) Rocking Horse

1:33pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Rocking Horse says...

BioLogic wrote:
Alf Garnett wrote: Only a short while ago posters on this site were attacking the council for imposing too strict quotas on new developments for affordable housing. Damned if ayou do and damned if you don't. How a tory can criticise anyone - anyone - on housing beats me.
The issue with the strict quotas is they prevent development. Currently the defacto criteria is that any development over 14 dwellings must include 25% affordable housing. Because this is not currently viable for developers, nothing over 14 homes is being built, meaning no affordable homes. If memory serves they have managed to get around 6 affordable homes built in the past 2 years. If they lower the quota then more developments would become viable and they would get more affordable homes. But as we are discovering this Labour administration never gets anything wrong and will not go back on something even when it clearly isn't achieving what it set out to do.
To correct you.

Brownfield site
Urban >14 dwellings : 20%
Rural (villages less than 5,000 populations) 2 -14 dwellings : Sliding scale or commuted sum

Greenfield sites
Urban >14 dwellings : 35%
Rural (villages less than 5,000 populations) 2-14 dwellings : Sliding scale or commuted sum

Some sites are coming forward under these targets, but, nowhere near enough and they are 'opportunistic' or 'exceptional' not the norm.

The Grain Store site at Clifton for 197 dwellings was allowed on appeal by the Planning Inspector with 0% (NIL%) afforddable.

Persimmon are offering onl;y 10% affordable on 187 flats at their Barbican site.

Barratt subsidiary DWH have achieved 20% at their 53 unit Tannery, Strensall site, but, this has been made workable through a high percentage of 4/5 bed homes. This results in less houses being built owing to lower density than could be achieved if more 2/3 bed homes were built. and another consequence is higher prices. This makes things worse for first time private buyers.

York Council's claim that their Local Plan will bring down prices for first time buyers and rents, is a myth. It will only help those who qualify for social housing, who are on low wages or benefits.

It's time the spin and deceit by Coun Simpson-Laing and the Council was exposed. They are conning York residents !
[quote][p][bold]BioLogic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: Only a short while ago posters on this site were attacking the council for imposing too strict quotas on new developments for affordable housing. Damned if ayou do and damned if you don't. How a tory can criticise anyone - anyone - on housing beats me.[/p][/quote]The issue with the strict quotas is they prevent development. Currently the defacto criteria is that any development over 14 dwellings must include 25% affordable housing. Because this is not currently viable for developers, nothing over 14 homes is being built, meaning no affordable homes. If memory serves they have managed to get around 6 affordable homes built in the past 2 years. If they lower the quota then more developments would become viable and they would get more affordable homes. But as we are discovering this Labour administration never gets anything wrong and will not go back on something even when it clearly isn't achieving what it set out to do.[/p][/quote]To correct you. Brownfield site Urban >14 dwellings : 20% Rural (villages less than 5,000 populations) 2 -14 dwellings : Sliding scale or commuted sum Greenfield sites Urban >14 dwellings : 35% Rural (villages less than 5,000 populations) 2-14 dwellings : Sliding scale or commuted sum Some sites are coming forward under these targets, but, nowhere near enough and they are 'opportunistic' or 'exceptional' not the norm. The Grain Store site at Clifton for 197 dwellings was allowed on appeal by the Planning Inspector with 0% (NIL%) afforddable. Persimmon are offering onl;y 10% affordable on 187 flats at their Barbican site. Barratt subsidiary DWH have achieved 20% at their 53 unit Tannery, Strensall site, but, this has been made workable through a high percentage of 4/5 bed homes. This results in less houses being built owing to lower density than could be achieved if more 2/3 bed homes were built. and another consequence is higher prices. This makes things worse for first time private buyers. York Council's claim that their Local Plan will bring down prices for first time buyers and rents, is a myth. It will only help those who qualify for social housing, who are on low wages or benefits. It's time the spin and deceit by Coun Simpson-Laing and the Council was exposed. They are conning York residents ! Rocking Horse

1:34pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Rocking Horse says...

Oops, sorry, I made a typo above..

Greenfield target is 30%, not 35%
Oops, sorry, I made a typo above.. Greenfield target is 30%, not 35% Rocking Horse

1:41pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Rocking Horse says...

inthesticks wrote:
wallman wrote:
inthesticks wrote:
Dave Ruddock wrote: im sure there most be real heads of departments, the councilors are onlt elected figurheads, is theere any watchdog for these beurocrats, or its down to Grammer school, university debates and foebid (SelfRegulation)...
There are. Kersten England Chief Executive £133750 Bill Woolley Director of City and Environmental Services £102766 Sally Burns Director of Communities and Neighbourhoods £102766 Steve Waddington Assistant Director - Housing and Community Safety £68413 Andrew Docherty Assistant Director - Legal Civic Democratic and IT £73401 Mike Slater Assistant Director - City Development and Sustainability £68413 Richard Wood Assistant Director - Strategic Planning and Transport £68413 These are the people ultimately responsible. They seem to manage to stay out of the limelight. So there they are and the wages we pay them.
do the council tell these people what to do or is it the other way round? whatever they are all paid to much, would they take a pay cut to help some services that are being cut?
I would say the paid staff are responsible for making sure that legal procedures are followed. Councillors represent us and make decisions at meetings and the paid staff are then to carry them out. If elected councillors were to do something that was unlawful or unwise the paid execs say so. And, no, I doubt very much if any of them would take a pay cut, soft top sports cars don`t come cheap you know.
Oh, you think so do you ?

The Council are currently under investigation by the Local Government Ombudsman for multiple breaches of Statutory Instrument 2089.

This will all come out in the Press in early 2014, after the investigations are completed., which will expose 'widespread failings', (LGO's wording)
[quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wallman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Ruddock[/bold] wrote: im sure there most be real heads of departments, the councilors are onlt elected figurheads, is theere any watchdog for these beurocrats, or its down to Grammer school, university debates and foebid (SelfRegulation)...[/p][/quote]There are. Kersten England Chief Executive £133750 Bill Woolley Director of City and Environmental Services £102766 Sally Burns Director of Communities and Neighbourhoods £102766 Steve Waddington Assistant Director - Housing and Community Safety £68413 Andrew Docherty Assistant Director - Legal Civic Democratic and IT £73401 Mike Slater Assistant Director - City Development and Sustainability £68413 Richard Wood Assistant Director - Strategic Planning and Transport £68413 These are the people ultimately responsible. They seem to manage to stay out of the limelight. So there they are and the wages we pay them.[/p][/quote]do the council tell these people what to do or is it the other way round? whatever they are all paid to much, would they take a pay cut to help some services that are being cut?[/p][/quote]I would say the paid staff are responsible for making sure that legal procedures are followed. Councillors represent us and make decisions at meetings and the paid staff are then to carry them out. If elected councillors were to do something that was unlawful or unwise the paid execs say so. And, no, I doubt very much if any of them would take a pay cut, soft top sports cars don`t come cheap you know.[/p][/quote]Oh, you think so do you ? The Council are currently under investigation by the Local Government Ombudsman for multiple breaches of Statutory Instrument 2089. This will all come out in the Press in early 2014, after the investigations are completed., which will expose 'widespread failings', (LGO's wording) Rocking Horse

4:41pm Sun 8 Dec 13

inthesticks says...

Rocking Horse wrote:
inthesticks wrote:
wallman wrote:
inthesticks wrote:
Dave Ruddock wrote: im sure there most be real heads of departments, the councilors are onlt elected figurheads, is theere any watchdog for these beurocrats, or its down to Grammer school, university debates and foebid (SelfRegulation)...
There are. Kersten England Chief Executive £133750 Bill Woolley Director of City and Environmental Services £102766 Sally Burns Director of Communities and Neighbourhoods £102766 Steve Waddington Assistant Director - Housing and Community Safety £68413 Andrew Docherty Assistant Director - Legal Civic Democratic and IT £73401 Mike Slater Assistant Director - City Development and Sustainability £68413 Richard Wood Assistant Director - Strategic Planning and Transport £68413 These are the people ultimately responsible. They seem to manage to stay out of the limelight. So there they are and the wages we pay them.
do the council tell these people what to do or is it the other way round? whatever they are all paid to much, would they take a pay cut to help some services that are being cut?
I would say the paid staff are responsible for making sure that legal procedures are followed. Councillors represent us and make decisions at meetings and the paid staff are then to carry them out. If elected councillors were to do something that was unlawful or unwise the paid execs say so. And, no, I doubt very much if any of them would take a pay cut, soft top sports cars don`t come cheap you know.
Oh, you think so do you ?

The Council are currently under investigation by the Local Government Ombudsman for multiple breaches of Statutory Instrument 2089.

This will all come out in the Press in early 2014, after the investigations are completed., which will expose 'widespread failings', (LGO's wording)
I was answering a civil question in a simple manner and you`re not telling me anything I don`t already know.
[quote][p][bold]Rocking Horse[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wallman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Ruddock[/bold] wrote: im sure there most be real heads of departments, the councilors are onlt elected figurheads, is theere any watchdog for these beurocrats, or its down to Grammer school, university debates and foebid (SelfRegulation)...[/p][/quote]There are. Kersten England Chief Executive £133750 Bill Woolley Director of City and Environmental Services £102766 Sally Burns Director of Communities and Neighbourhoods £102766 Steve Waddington Assistant Director - Housing and Community Safety £68413 Andrew Docherty Assistant Director - Legal Civic Democratic and IT £73401 Mike Slater Assistant Director - City Development and Sustainability £68413 Richard Wood Assistant Director - Strategic Planning and Transport £68413 These are the people ultimately responsible. They seem to manage to stay out of the limelight. So there they are and the wages we pay them.[/p][/quote]do the council tell these people what to do or is it the other way round? whatever they are all paid to much, would they take a pay cut to help some services that are being cut?[/p][/quote]I would say the paid staff are responsible for making sure that legal procedures are followed. Councillors represent us and make decisions at meetings and the paid staff are then to carry them out. If elected councillors were to do something that was unlawful or unwise the paid execs say so. And, no, I doubt very much if any of them would take a pay cut, soft top sports cars don`t come cheap you know.[/p][/quote]Oh, you think so do you ? The Council are currently under investigation by the Local Government Ombudsman for multiple breaches of Statutory Instrument 2089. This will all come out in the Press in early 2014, after the investigations are completed., which will expose 'widespread failings', (LGO's wording)[/p][/quote]I was answering a civil question in a simple manner and you`re not telling me anything I don`t already know. inthesticks

6:50pm Sun 8 Dec 13

wallman says...

If any of the folks above want to leave i'd love to have your job i'd even take a cut in pay. I wont hold my breathe I think pigs wil fly first
If any of the folks above want to leave i'd love to have your job i'd even take a cut in pay. I wont hold my breathe I think pigs wil fly first wallman

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