Claims for pothole damage up 400%

York Press: Claims for pothole damage rise 400% Claims for pothole damage rise 400%

COMPENSATION claims by drivers who blame roads in York for damaging their cars have risen by more than 400 per cent.

Figures published under the Freedom of Information Act have shown 70 claims were made against City of York Council by motorists in 2012/13, compared to 13 the year before, although the amount of compensation payouts fell last year.

The authority said 25 cases relating to incidents in 2012/13 remain open, as do 14 other cases. It spent £964,055 on fixing potholes in 2011/12, but dropped to £748,537 last year.

The council’s Liberal Democrats, who obtained the figures, said the rise in claims was due to Labour reducing the road repairs budget.

Compensation payments last year totalled £333.85, while the 2011/12 figure was £1.455.60. The number of claims is not necessarily linked to the amount of compensation paid, as the authority may not be liable and payouts may be made in a different year to claims.

Carol Runciman, Lib Dem councillor for Huntington and New Earswick and who recently branded repairs to White Rose Avenue in her ward “inadequate”, said: “This case is indicative of a Labour council which has cut the road repair budget and has subsequently seen compensation claims over the state of roads rocket.

“Not only are these cuts an unacceptable attack on basic services, they are also a false economy.”

Andy Binner, the council’s head of highways, said the condition of all York’s roads was checked annually and repairs done based on these assessments, prioritised according to the seriousness of the problem.

“York has experienced some of the worst winter weather conditions in 30 years, which has seen an increase in the number of damaged footpaths and roads,” he said.

“The council takes every step necessary to ensure problem areas are identified and repairs carried out quickly so no delays occur.”

Mr Binner said all “immediate attention” repairs were done within 24 hours, and less urgent work was placed on a rota and completed within either three days, a fortnight or four weeks.

Coun David Levene, cabinet member for environmental services, said: “A case where an opposition councillor has made a subjective judgement that repair work looks inadequate does not mean it is.

“Compensation payments have actually fallen, showing the council is performing well on road repairs as we ensure roads and pavements remain a priority for this administration, some achievement with such heavy funding cuts.”

The FOI response also revealed that York may have an average of between 30 and 40 potholes which are “continually being repaired” at a time, and that ten claims for damage to cars on Moor Lane, in Murton, alone were received between December 23, 2012, and January 6, 2013

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11:07am Wed 9 Oct 13

Big Bad Wolf says...

I has a £215 repair bill to my car and was told that I couldn't claim as no one had reported the pot hole....
I has a £215 repair bill to my car and was told that I couldn't claim as no one had reported the pot hole.... Big Bad Wolf
  • Score: 9

11:27am Wed 9 Oct 13

smudge2 says...

Does this include the whiplash caused by braking hard to avoid these holes...Its amazing how compensation has risen rapidly during the recession...(or is that to cynical ?? ).
Does this include the whiplash caused by braking hard to avoid these holes...Its amazing how compensation has risen rapidly during the recession...(or is that to cynical ?? ). smudge2
  • Score: 6

12:36pm Wed 9 Oct 13

Big Bad Wolf says...

Compensation payments last year totalled £333.85, while the 2011/12 figure was £1.455.60.

Given the state of the roads I am amazed!! All this means is that CoY council do not pay out when they should.
Compensation payments last year totalled £333.85, while the 2011/12 figure was £1.455.60. Given the state of the roads I am amazed!! All this means is that CoY council do not pay out when they should. Big Bad Wolf
  • Score: 9

1:08pm Wed 9 Oct 13

Maquis says...

Pot holes are a major issue, but so are the oversize speed bumps which are covered in scrapes from the bottom of the cars which cannot go over them at any speed without causing damage and also cause damage if you go at anything over a couple of mph.
This makes drivers brake before and accelerate after the speed bumps, this causes necessary wear and tear and pollution as an accelerating car uses far more fuel than a car travelling at constant speed.
Pot holes are a major issue, but so are the oversize speed bumps which are covered in scrapes from the bottom of the cars which cannot go over them at any speed without causing damage and also cause damage if you go at anything over a couple of mph. This makes drivers brake before and accelerate after the speed bumps, this causes necessary wear and tear and pollution as an accelerating car uses far more fuel than a car travelling at constant speed. Maquis
  • Score: 19

1:29pm Wed 9 Oct 13

retrorigg says...

i drive around 800 miles a week around york streets, the roads are an absolute mess, but some of the worst areas are roads that have recently been dug up and then repatched for example green dykes lane, its like driving down a cobbled road over the freshly laid tarmac, you wouldnt plaster a house in this way so why a road, and as for hamilton drive at the moment that is just unbelievable, im suprised there hasnt been more claims
i drive around 800 miles a week around york streets, the roads are an absolute mess, but some of the worst areas are roads that have recently been dug up and then repatched for example green dykes lane, its like driving down a cobbled road over the freshly laid tarmac, you wouldnt plaster a house in this way so why a road, and as for hamilton drive at the moment that is just unbelievable, im suprised there hasnt been more claims retrorigg
  • Score: 15

1:47pm Wed 9 Oct 13

chunks says...

So the amount spent on road maintenance dropped £215,518 - a substantial saving. Whilst at the same time compensation claims dropped.

That's great news. I'm pleased CYC have been able to make this saving.
So the amount spent on road maintenance dropped £215,518 - a substantial saving. Whilst at the same time compensation claims dropped. That's great news. I'm pleased CYC have been able to make this saving. chunks
  • Score: -14

3:07pm Wed 9 Oct 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

!Mr Binner said that checks were made annually! Checks need to be made far more often than that, no wonder we have such a big problem.
Have a look at AOL's ten worst UK City's out today: I expected to see Hull in there but instead we see YORK, and it's getting worse. Not just the disgusting state of some of our roads but also scams like Lendal Bridge restrictions, high parking charges, high rates for business, filthy streets, poor traffic management and a Council that doesn't listen to its people. With the proposed greenbelt development things won't get better.
Well done Buda, (James) you have reduced our City to the S*1t List. Please buzz off to where you came from and take your tin foil hat with you!
!Mr Binner said that checks were made annually! Checks need to be made far more often than that, no wonder we have such a big problem. Have a look at AOL's ten worst UK City's out today: I expected to see Hull in there but instead we see YORK, and it's getting worse. Not just the disgusting state of some of our roads but also scams like Lendal Bridge restrictions, high parking charges, high rates for business, filthy streets, poor traffic management and a Council that doesn't listen to its people. With the proposed greenbelt development things won't get better. Well done Buda, (James) you have reduced our City to the S*1t List. Please buzz off to where you came from and take your tin foil hat with you! ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: 9

5:05pm Wed 9 Oct 13

pedalling paul says...

Maquis wrote:
Pot holes are a major issue, but so are the oversize speed bumps which are covered in scrapes from the bottom of the cars which cannot go over them at any speed without causing damage and also cause damage if you go at anything over a couple of mph.
This makes drivers brake before and accelerate after the speed bumps, this causes necessary wear and tear and pollution as an accelerating car uses far more fuel than a car travelling at constant speed.
Nobody "makes" drivers accelerate and brake. Drivers who maintain a constant low speed can travel along "humped" streets without any need to do either.
[quote][p][bold]Maquis[/bold] wrote: Pot holes are a major issue, but so are the oversize speed bumps which are covered in scrapes from the bottom of the cars which cannot go over them at any speed without causing damage and also cause damage if you go at anything over a couple of mph. This makes drivers brake before and accelerate after the speed bumps, this causes necessary wear and tear and pollution as an accelerating car uses far more fuel than a car travelling at constant speed.[/p][/quote]Nobody "makes" drivers accelerate and brake. Drivers who maintain a constant low speed can travel along "humped" streets without any need to do either. pedalling paul
  • Score: -9

5:42pm Wed 9 Oct 13

Maquis says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Maquis wrote:
Pot holes are a major issue, but so are the oversize speed bumps which are covered in scrapes from the bottom of the cars which cannot go over them at any speed without causing damage and also cause damage if you go at anything over a couple of mph.
This makes drivers brake before and accelerate after the speed bumps, this causes necessary wear and tear and pollution as an accelerating car uses far more fuel than a car travelling at constant speed.
Nobody "makes" drivers accelerate and brake. Drivers who maintain a constant low speed can travel along "humped" streets without any need to do either.
Paul, try driving for example down bishophill junior at anything over a couple of mph and you will bottom your car. You cannot drive at a constant 2mph as cars are not designed for that.
I know you are a cycling zealot, but you also drive and so even you should know this. Speed bumps on a 20 or 30 mph road are not designed to be driven over at that speed either.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maquis[/bold] wrote: Pot holes are a major issue, but so are the oversize speed bumps which are covered in scrapes from the bottom of the cars which cannot go over them at any speed without causing damage and also cause damage if you go at anything over a couple of mph. This makes drivers brake before and accelerate after the speed bumps, this causes necessary wear and tear and pollution as an accelerating car uses far more fuel than a car travelling at constant speed.[/p][/quote]Nobody "makes" drivers accelerate and brake. Drivers who maintain a constant low speed can travel along "humped" streets without any need to do either.[/p][/quote]Paul, try driving for example down bishophill junior at anything over a couple of mph and you will bottom your car. You cannot drive at a constant 2mph as cars are not designed for that. I know you are a cycling zealot, but you also drive and so even you should know this. Speed bumps on a 20 or 30 mph road are not designed to be driven over at that speed either. Maquis
  • Score: 11

5:54pm Wed 9 Oct 13

Alf Garnett says...

Erewego again. This isn't a York problem specifically but a national problem, including the revered capital city.
Erewego again. This isn't a York problem specifically but a national problem, including the revered capital city. Alf Garnett
  • Score: -2

8:04pm Wed 9 Oct 13

Buzzz Light-year says...

Unless you drive for 24 hours a day or you do 12 hours seven days a week, you're exaggerating.

When I was a white van man, my area started with Malton and Norton and all the villages up to it (Claxton, Bossall, Sand Hutton etc). I did villages around Malton like Rillington and Amotherby. I went on to Pickering and Helmsley and the villages in between (Hovingham, Slingsby etc). Next I headed to Whitby but I also had to cover the whole of the N Yorks Moors (Goathland, Egton, Levisham, Dalby Forest etc and even as far as Commondale and Westerdale which are nearly in Cleveland) After doing Whitby I had to head to Driffield taking in its outlying villages (Nafferton, Hutton Cranswick, Brandesburton, Ruston Parva, Kilham, Garton on the Wolds etc)

I did 200 miles a day over five days which was 1000 a week. I was on the road for ten hours every day with no break and driving like your worst stereotype white van man/Colin McRae, speeding, the works. It nearly killed me.

You have to be doing 114 miles a day around York over seven days to be doing 800. Or 160 over 5 days. That's driving without ever stopping anywhere. Or you do a heck of a lot of speeding. Or you're exaggerating.

When I was white van man in York it was about 60 to 80 a day or 300 to 400 per week over 5 days.
Unless you drive for 24 hours a day or you do 12 hours seven days a week, you're exaggerating. When I was a white van man, my area started with Malton and Norton and all the villages up to it (Claxton, Bossall, Sand Hutton etc). I did villages around Malton like Rillington and Amotherby. I went on to Pickering and Helmsley and the villages in between (Hovingham, Slingsby etc). Next I headed to Whitby but I also had to cover the whole of the N Yorks Moors (Goathland, Egton, Levisham, Dalby Forest etc and even as far as Commondale and Westerdale which are nearly in Cleveland) After doing Whitby I had to head to Driffield taking in its outlying villages (Nafferton, Hutton Cranswick, Brandesburton, Ruston Parva, Kilham, Garton on the Wolds etc) I did 200 miles a day over five days which was 1000 a week. I was on the road for ten hours every day with no break and driving like your worst stereotype white van man/Colin McRae, speeding, the works. It nearly killed me. You have to be doing 114 miles a day around York over seven days to be doing 800. Or 160 over 5 days. That's driving without ever stopping anywhere. Or you do a heck of a lot of speeding. Or you're exaggerating. When I was white van man in York it was about 60 to 80 a day or 300 to 400 per week over 5 days. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: -5

8:06pm Wed 9 Oct 13

Buzzz Light-year says...

retrorigg wrote:
i drive around 800 miles a week around york streets, the roads are an absolute mess, but some of the worst areas are roads that have recently been dug up and then repatched for example green dykes lane, its like driving down a cobbled road over the freshly laid tarmac, you wouldnt plaster a house in this way so why a road, and as for hamilton drive at the moment that is just unbelievable, im suprised there hasnt been more claims
Unless you drive for 24 hours a day or you do 12 hours seven days a week, you're exaggerating.

When I was a white van man, my area started with Malton and Norton and all the villages up to it (Claxton, Bossall, Sand Hutton etc). I did villages around Malton like Rillington and Amotherby. I went on to Pickering and Helmsley and the villages in between (Hovingham, Slingsby etc). Next I headed to Whitby but I also had to cover the whole of the N Yorks Moors (Goathland, Egton, Levisham, Dalby Forest etc and even as far as Commondale and Westerdale which are nearly in Cleveland) After doing Whitby I had to head to Driffield taking in its outlying villages (Nafferton, Hutton Cranswick, Brandesburton, Ruston Parva, Kilham, Garton on the Wolds etc)

I did 200 miles a day over five days which was 1000 a week. I was on the road for ten hours every day with no break and driving like your worst stereotype white van man/Colin McRae, speeding, the works. It nearly killed me.

You have to be doing 114 miles a day around York over seven days to be doing 800. Or 160 over 5 days. That's driving without ever stopping anywhere. Or you do a heck of a lot of speeding. Or you're exaggerating.

When I was white van man in York it was about 60 to 80 a day or 300 to 400 per week over 5 days.
[quote][p][bold]retrorigg[/bold] wrote: i drive around 800 miles a week around york streets, the roads are an absolute mess, but some of the worst areas are roads that have recently been dug up and then repatched for example green dykes lane, its like driving down a cobbled road over the freshly laid tarmac, you wouldnt plaster a house in this way so why a road, and as for hamilton drive at the moment that is just unbelievable, im suprised there hasnt been more claims[/p][/quote]Unless you drive for 24 hours a day or you do 12 hours seven days a week, you're exaggerating. When I was a white van man, my area started with Malton and Norton and all the villages up to it (Claxton, Bossall, Sand Hutton etc). I did villages around Malton like Rillington and Amotherby. I went on to Pickering and Helmsley and the villages in between (Hovingham, Slingsby etc). Next I headed to Whitby but I also had to cover the whole of the N Yorks Moors (Goathland, Egton, Levisham, Dalby Forest etc and even as far as Commondale and Westerdale which are nearly in Cleveland) After doing Whitby I had to head to Driffield taking in its outlying villages (Nafferton, Hutton Cranswick, Brandesburton, Ruston Parva, Kilham, Garton on the Wolds etc) I did 200 miles a day over five days which was 1000 a week. I was on the road for ten hours every day with no break and driving like your worst stereotype white van man/Colin McRae, speeding, the works. It nearly killed me. You have to be doing 114 miles a day around York over seven days to be doing 800. Or 160 over 5 days. That's driving without ever stopping anywhere. Or you do a heck of a lot of speeding. Or you're exaggerating. When I was white van man in York it was about 60 to 80 a day or 300 to 400 per week over 5 days. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: -5

8:07pm Wed 9 Oct 13

Buzzz Light-year says...

(Apologies - dysfunctional website issues)
(Apologies - dysfunctional website issues) Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: -5

3:51am Thu 10 Oct 13

Magicman! says...

Maquis wrote:
Pot holes are a major issue, but so are the oversize speed bumps which are covered in scrapes from the bottom of the cars which cannot go over them at any speed without causing damage and also cause damage if you go at anything over a couple of mph.
This makes drivers brake before and accelerate after the speed bumps, this causes necessary wear and tear and pollution as an accelerating car uses far more fuel than a car travelling at constant speed.
And yet Royal Mail trucks will thunder over them with no difference to their speed as they head off to Birch Park.... or at least they do when a certain driver keeps using local roads as a shortcut from the A64 to avoid the designated route of Elmfield Avenus and Byland Avenue (or Heworth Green and Huntington Road).
[quote][p][bold]Maquis[/bold] wrote: Pot holes are a major issue, but so are the oversize speed bumps which are covered in scrapes from the bottom of the cars which cannot go over them at any speed without causing damage and also cause damage if you go at anything over a couple of mph. This makes drivers brake before and accelerate after the speed bumps, this causes necessary wear and tear and pollution as an accelerating car uses far more fuel than a car travelling at constant speed.[/p][/quote]And yet Royal Mail trucks will thunder over them with no difference to their speed as they head off to Birch Park.... or at least they do when a certain driver keeps using local roads as a shortcut from the A64 to avoid the designated route of Elmfield Avenus and Byland Avenue (or Heworth Green and Huntington Road). Magicman!
  • Score: 0

3:55am Thu 10 Oct 13

Magicman! says...

retrorigg wrote:
i drive around 800 miles a week around york streets, the roads are an absolute mess, but some of the worst areas are roads that have recently been dug up and then repatched for example green dykes lane, its like driving down a cobbled road over the freshly laid tarmac, you wouldnt plaster a house in this way so why a road, and as for hamilton drive at the moment that is just unbelievable, im suprised there hasnt been more claims
You should see Whenby Grove in Huntington - one section between the road to Anthea Drive and Yearsley Grove school not only has an illegal speed bump because it's too high but also the road surface has been patched so many times it has about a million different surface levels! It's a nightmare to navigate in the dark when it's raining if you're on a bike trying to avoid going in a dip and then getting your leg wet as a result. It doesn't help that twice a day that entire length of road right down to Huntington Road is narrowed to single car width as parents all descend to drive their kids to the primary school so they don't get abducted and molested by wierdo's (as that would so obviously happen if a parent let their kid walk to school).
[quote][p][bold]retrorigg[/bold] wrote: i drive around 800 miles a week around york streets, the roads are an absolute mess, but some of the worst areas are roads that have recently been dug up and then repatched for example green dykes lane, its like driving down a cobbled road over the freshly laid tarmac, you wouldnt plaster a house in this way so why a road, and as for hamilton drive at the moment that is just unbelievable, im suprised there hasnt been more claims[/p][/quote]You should see Whenby Grove in Huntington - one section between the road to Anthea Drive and Yearsley Grove school not only has an illegal speed bump because it's too high but also the road surface has been patched so many times it has about a million different surface levels! It's a nightmare to navigate in the dark when it's raining if you're on a bike trying to avoid going in a dip and then getting your leg wet as a result. It doesn't help that twice a day that entire length of road right down to Huntington Road is narrowed to single car width as parents all descend to drive their kids to the primary school so they don't get abducted and molested by wierdo's (as that would so obviously happen if a parent let their kid walk to school). Magicman!
  • Score: 2

3:58am Thu 10 Oct 13

Magicman! says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Maquis wrote:
Pot holes are a major issue, but so are the oversize speed bumps which are covered in scrapes from the bottom of the cars which cannot go over them at any speed without causing damage and also cause damage if you go at anything over a couple of mph.
This makes drivers brake before and accelerate after the speed bumps, this causes necessary wear and tear and pollution as an accelerating car uses far more fuel than a car travelling at constant speed.
Nobody "makes" drivers accelerate and brake. Drivers who maintain a constant low speed can travel along "humped" streets without any need to do either.
You obviously don't go down Whenby Grove, Skewsby Grove, Anthea Drive or Highthorn Road in a car then..... even on a bike with dual suspension, a lot of the humps along those streets give one heck of a jolt even at 15mph.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maquis[/bold] wrote: Pot holes are a major issue, but so are the oversize speed bumps which are covered in scrapes from the bottom of the cars which cannot go over them at any speed without causing damage and also cause damage if you go at anything over a couple of mph. This makes drivers brake before and accelerate after the speed bumps, this causes necessary wear and tear and pollution as an accelerating car uses far more fuel than a car travelling at constant speed.[/p][/quote]Nobody "makes" drivers accelerate and brake. Drivers who maintain a constant low speed can travel along "humped" streets without any need to do either.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't go down Whenby Grove, Skewsby Grove, Anthea Drive or Highthorn Road in a car then..... even on a bike with dual suspension, a lot of the humps along those streets give one heck of a jolt even at 15mph. Magicman!
  • Score: 1

4:02am Thu 10 Oct 13

Magicman! says...

Andy Binner, the council’s head of highways, said the condition of all York’s roads was checked annually and repairs done based on these assessments, prioritised according to the seriousness of the problem.

So this is why Whenby Grove looks like an acne-ridden face, and Anthea Drive had its survey done which skipped out a widening pothole at the base of a speed hump, and two pot holes that are widening right in the turning line for vehicles emerging from a side street - and a similar story for Huntington Road itself.
I use those roads a lot, and the state of them still shocks me (both mentally and physically, as the poor road condition means I have to set my suspension quite soft otherwise it'd jolt my back up something terrible)
[quote]Andy Binner, the council’s head of highways, said the condition of all York’s roads was checked annually and repairs done based on these assessments, prioritised according to the seriousness of the problem.[/quote] So this is why Whenby Grove looks like an acne-ridden face, and Anthea Drive had its survey done which skipped out a widening pothole at the base of a speed hump, and two pot holes that are widening right in the turning line for vehicles emerging from a side street - and a similar story for Huntington Road itself. I use those roads a lot, and the state of them still shocks me (both mentally and physically, as the poor road condition means I have to set my suspension quite soft otherwise it'd jolt my back up something terrible) Magicman!
  • Score: 1

9:00am Thu 10 Oct 13

retrorigg says...

buzz light year...im a taxi driver , i work 6 nights a week i **** 800 miles a week and 95% of it is around york , im not exaggerating in the slightest
buzz light year...im a taxi driver , i work 6 nights a week i **** 800 miles a week and 95% of it is around york , im not exaggerating in the slightest retrorigg
  • Score: 1

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