Helmsley residents forced out by motorcycle noise

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BIKERS who use the roads in and around Helmsley like a ‘speedway’ are forcing people to leave the town at weekends according to residents.

The market town has been a popular destination for motorcyclists for a number of years.

However, those living in the area are becoming increasingly concerned over the noise and safety issues the motorcyclists’ visits bring.

Jeanette Blackburn, who lives just outside the town, said her family had moved to the area eight years ago for the peace and quiet, but over the years the noise from the bikes had got worse and worse.

“It starts at 6am or 7am every Saturday and Sunday and the speed and noise is ridiculous — it is impossible for anyone to go for a walk or sit in their garden,” she said.

“They treat the roads like a speedway, often doing wheelies on the road down from Kirkbymoorside.

“Nearly everyone you speak to thinks they are nothing but a pest.”

Mrs Blackburn said there was also the issue of a lack of speed cameras and the increasing number of accidents involving motorbikes.

“These are grown men, who are not from our area, and love nothing more than speed and noise,” she said.

“We are plagued with bikers in this area and they take precedence over other people who visit the town and those of us who live here.”

Coun Chris Parkin, chairman of Helmsley Town Council, said the area had been a popular destination for bikers for a number of years.

“This is not the first time I have heard of people leaving Helmsley at weekends due to the noise and I feel sorry for people particularly living near the north end who have to put up with the most noise as they roar in and out of town,” he said.

“We have a facility which is open to visitors and which we like to share when we can but it is difficult when one visitor group uses the facilities to the exclusivity of others, which does happen some weekends.”

However, Chris Garnett, chairman of Helmsley in Business, said he felt the bikers were welcomed to the town.

“Bikers have a long association with Helmsley and use it as a meeting point,” he said.

“I believe most businesses welcome them and see them as a colourful addition to the town’s atmosphere.

“I am not aware of locals leaving the town at weekends because of the bikers apart from some during the Motorcycle Action Group (MAG weekend held in June.”

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8:51am Thu 15 Aug 13

What's Up, Doc? says...

NIMBY! Too many people these days think that everyone should kowtow to them; the people who complain about church bells, those who move next to pubs and complain about drinkers, those who move near to factories and ask for machinery to be shut down.

Within reason, everyone has a right to go about their everyday lives, doing what they enjoy doing. At the same time, if something has been occurring for years before you come along, you can't complain!
NIMBY! Too many people these days think that everyone should kowtow to them; the people who complain about church bells, those who move next to pubs and complain about drinkers, those who move near to factories and ask for machinery to be shut down. Within reason, everyone has a right to go about their everyday lives, doing what they enjoy doing. At the same time, if something has been occurring for years before you come along, you can't complain! What's Up, Doc?
  • Score: 23

9:25am Thu 15 Aug 13

Kevin Turvey says...

‘Jeanette Blackburn, who lives just outside the town, said her family had moved to the area eight years ago for the peace and quiet, but over the years the noise from the bikes had got worse and worse. ‘

Surely this individual bought the house with the knowledge that motorcyclists meet there at weekends and bring in lots of money for the local economy.
Caveat emptor – for those without a classical education – let buyer beware.
Perhaps this individual thought that when they bought their house in a village or on a main road (A170 ‘just outside the town’) they had exclusive rights to the village or perhaps she wants to support the businesses that would lose out from her own pocket?


The stated fact of ‘noise from the bikes had got worse and worse’

How is this possible with noise outputs from motorcycles having dropped considerably over the last 20 years by legislation?



“It starts at 6am or 7am every Saturday and Sunday and the speed and noise is ridiculous — it is impossible for anyone to go for a walk or sit in their garden,”

Why is it impossible to go for a walk or sit in your garden?

Does she realize how illogical and irrational this statement is that undermines her argument to that of a NIMBY?

How has she measured the noise?
With a suitable calibrated noise meter set for the relevant frequency band width analysis?
Was this a field measurement or facade?
What norms and background were the results compared to?
What speed measuring equipment were you using? Are you trained in the use of this equipment?



“Nearly everyone you speak to thinks they are nothing but a pest.”

Who are these people ?
‘Nearly’ what percentage was this?
What was the scope and base lining techniques for this unofficial survey that is quoted?
What were the controls used to ensure an objective survey?



“We are plagued with bikers in this area and they take precedence over other people who visit the town and those of us who live here.”

Using words like ‘plagued’ is that meant to demonize and lower the value of the individuals that she deems should not be visiting her town?

I would argue that motorcyclists in Helmsley are in the minority as its mainly made up of locals working in farming with tractors and 4x4’s, walkers, and other tourists, retired people and NIMBY’s.

I would suggest that this individuals facts as quoted are merely subjective opinion for the rose tinted world that they thought they had bought into, however there are other people on the planet and indeed in this town and visitors from all walks of life that contribute a huge percentage to the local economy. If all these unwanted people by this individual to the chocolate box village did not come all the facilities that this individual utilizes will close.

I would also suggest that this individual does not speak for the greater part of Helmsley’s population.

Posted as someone who visits and contributes to the local economy of Helmsley on a regular basis as a tourist, walker and motorcyclist.
‘Jeanette Blackburn, who lives just outside the town, said her family had moved to the area eight years ago for the peace and quiet, but over the years the noise from the bikes had got worse and worse. ‘ Surely this individual bought the house with the knowledge that motorcyclists meet there at weekends and bring in lots of money for the local economy. Caveat emptor – for those without a classical education – let buyer beware. Perhaps this individual thought that when they bought their house in a village or on a main road (A170 ‘just outside the town’) they had exclusive rights to the village or perhaps she wants to support the businesses that would lose out from her own pocket? The stated fact of ‘noise from the bikes had got worse and worse’ How is this possible with noise outputs from motorcycles having dropped considerably over the last 20 years by legislation? “It starts at 6am or 7am every Saturday and Sunday and the speed and noise is ridiculous — it is impossible for anyone to go for a walk or sit in their garden,” Why is it impossible to go for a walk or sit in your garden? Does she realize how illogical and irrational this statement is that undermines her argument to that of a NIMBY? How has she measured the noise? With a suitable calibrated noise meter set for the relevant frequency band width analysis? Was this a field measurement or facade? What norms and background were the results compared to? What speed measuring equipment were you using? Are you trained in the use of this equipment? “Nearly everyone you speak to thinks they are nothing but a pest.” Who are these people ? ‘Nearly’ what percentage was this? What was the scope and base lining techniques for this unofficial survey that is quoted? What were the controls used to ensure an objective survey? “We are plagued with bikers in this area and they take precedence over other people who visit the town and those of us who live here.” Using words like ‘plagued’ is that meant to demonize and lower the value of the individuals that she deems should not be visiting her town? I would argue that motorcyclists in Helmsley are in the minority as its mainly made up of locals working in farming with tractors and 4x4’s, walkers, and other tourists, retired people and NIMBY’s. I would suggest that this individuals facts as quoted are merely subjective opinion for the rose tinted world that they thought they had bought into, however there are other people on the planet and indeed in this town and visitors from all walks of life that contribute a huge percentage to the local economy. If all these unwanted people by this individual to the chocolate box village did not come all the facilities that this individual utilizes will close. I would also suggest that this individual does not speak for the greater part of Helmsley’s population. Posted as someone who visits and contributes to the local economy of Helmsley on a regular basis as a tourist, walker and motorcyclist. Kevin Turvey
  • Score: 23

9:27am Thu 15 Aug 13

meme says...

They bring colour/diversity and life to a town that would otherwise just be full of older people doddering around the country shops selling faux outdoor goods to people who hardly use them.
Live and let live its mainly in the summer anyway and most are law abiding weel behaved people having a good time.
Next people will complain about the smell of barbeques and ask for them to be banned
Its a public space, for use by the public , well policed and brings money etc to the town and Helmsley would be worse off without them
They bring colour/diversity and life to a town that would otherwise just be full of older people doddering around the country shops selling faux outdoor goods to people who hardly use them. Live and let live its mainly in the summer anyway and most are law abiding weel behaved people having a good time. Next people will complain about the smell of barbeques and ask for them to be banned Its a public space, for use by the public , well policed and brings money etc to the town and Helmsley would be worse off without them meme
  • Score: 22

1:09pm Thu 15 Aug 13

Buzzz Light-year says...

Bikers? Really?
I'd take hundreds of bikers over the streets full of weekend Barbour-wearers poncing round Helmsley like they are to the manor born when actually they brought the Volvo from the city terrace house.
Bikers? Really? I'd take hundreds of bikers over the streets full of weekend Barbour-wearers poncing round Helmsley like they are to the manor born when actually they brought the Volvo from the city terrace house. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 12

4:13pm Thu 15 Aug 13

Peterwalker says...

I've been in Helmsley at the same time as the Bikers swamp the town. You' ll find good and bad in every strand of society. They certainly keep the takeaways and pubs busy! Obviously good news for traders. That said, some bikers ride with total disregard for the safety of other road users, a charge that can of course be levelled at many other motorists. The casualty statistics do however tend to indicate a degree of carelessness in one particular group.
I've been in Helmsley at the same time as the Bikers swamp the town. You' ll find good and bad in every strand of society. They certainly keep the takeaways and pubs busy! Obviously good news for traders. That said, some bikers ride with total disregard for the safety of other road users, a charge that can of course be levelled at many other motorists. The casualty statistics do however tend to indicate a degree of carelessness in one particular group. Peterwalker
  • Score: 10

4:44pm Thu 15 Aug 13

Mr. Marcus says...

Peterwalker wrote:
I've been in Helmsley at the same time as the Bikers swamp the town. You' ll find good and bad in every strand of society. They certainly keep the takeaways and pubs busy! Obviously good news for traders. That said, some bikers ride with total disregard for the safety of other road users, a charge that can of course be levelled at many other motorists. The casualty statistics do however tend to indicate a degree of carelessness in one particular group.
O.K. Bikers-yet again.
They are the bane of ordinary folk. They think that they own the road, and their numbers are increasing, especially to and around Helmsley and make hell for normal, careful, motorists.
I really feel for the residents of Helmsley and that area.
[quote][p][bold]Peterwalker[/bold] wrote: I've been in Helmsley at the same time as the Bikers swamp the town. You' ll find good and bad in every strand of society. They certainly keep the takeaways and pubs busy! Obviously good news for traders. That said, some bikers ride with total disregard for the safety of other road users, a charge that can of course be levelled at many other motorists. The casualty statistics do however tend to indicate a degree of carelessness in one particular group.[/p][/quote]O.K. Bikers-yet again. They are the bane of ordinary folk. They think that they own the road, and their numbers are increasing, especially to and around Helmsley and make hell for normal, careful, motorists. I really feel for the residents of Helmsley and that area. Mr. Marcus
  • Score: -14

4:52pm Thu 15 Aug 13

TheTruthHurts says...

Mr. Marcus wrote:
Peterwalker wrote:
I've been in Helmsley at the same time as the Bikers swamp the town. You' ll find good and bad in every strand of society. They certainly keep the takeaways and pubs busy! Obviously good news for traders. That said, some bikers ride with total disregard for the safety of other road users, a charge that can of course be levelled at many other motorists. The casualty statistics do however tend to indicate a degree of carelessness in one particular group.
O.K. Bikers-yet again.
They are the bane of ordinary folk. They think that they own the road, and their numbers are increasing, especially to and around Helmsley and make hell for normal, careful, motorists.
I really feel for the residents of Helmsley and that area.
I agree, on a weekend away in the area recently when the weather was good it wasnt unusual to be overtaken by Motorbike after motorbike all trying to break the land speed record. Now I know its not all of them but there certainly seemed to be a lot of them doing it.
[quote][p][bold]Mr. Marcus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peterwalker[/bold] wrote: I've been in Helmsley at the same time as the Bikers swamp the town. You' ll find good and bad in every strand of society. They certainly keep the takeaways and pubs busy! Obviously good news for traders. That said, some bikers ride with total disregard for the safety of other road users, a charge that can of course be levelled at many other motorists. The casualty statistics do however tend to indicate a degree of carelessness in one particular group.[/p][/quote]O.K. Bikers-yet again. They are the bane of ordinary folk. They think that they own the road, and their numbers are increasing, especially to and around Helmsley and make hell for normal, careful, motorists. I really feel for the residents of Helmsley and that area.[/p][/quote]I agree, on a weekend away in the area recently when the weather was good it wasnt unusual to be overtaken by Motorbike after motorbike all trying to break the land speed record. Now I know its not all of them but there certainly seemed to be a lot of them doing it. TheTruthHurts
  • Score: -7

4:55pm Thu 15 Aug 13

LD1958 says...

If Helmsley's town officials view hordes of loud motorbikes as "good" for business and panders to them and does not enforce the town's noise ordinance and regulations they are clearly violating, then I'm afraid the residents of Helmsley will be given no choice but to live with it or leave. Some choice. The residents having to live with the noise or leave while those who choose to violate numerous laws and are making all the noise can do what they please with the blessing of the town's officials.
If Helmsley's town officials view hordes of loud motorbikes as "good" for business and panders to them and does not enforce the town's noise ordinance and regulations they are clearly violating, then I'm afraid the residents of Helmsley will be given no choice but to live with it or leave. Some choice. The residents having to live with the noise or leave while those who choose to violate numerous laws and are making all the noise can do what they please with the blessing of the town's officials. LD1958
  • Score: -12

8:11pm Thu 15 Aug 13

naburn says...

What a load of old B*****S!,bikers have been going up and down there since the 50's for heavens sakes!
What a load of old B*****S!,bikers have been going up and down there since the 50's for heavens sakes! naburn
  • Score: 8

9:45am Fri 16 Aug 13

Peterwalker says...

naburn wrote:
What a load of old B*****S!,bikers have been going up and down there since the 50's for heavens sakes!
Gathering in these numbers and travelling at these speeds?
[quote][p][bold]naburn[/bold] wrote: What a load of old B*****S!,bikers have been going up and down there since the 50's for heavens sakes![/p][/quote]Gathering in these numbers and travelling at these speeds? Peterwalker
  • Score: -1

11:13pm Fri 16 Aug 13

Thunderblade says...

I'm a motorcyclist, I also drive, cycle and walk.
Do these NIMBY's and others who refer to us with so much contempt as "bikers" not understand we are in the main normal people. The whole image these people have of us is like that of some violent gang culture of the far past. I'm in my sixties now and have been dropping in at Helmsley for over forty years, on the whole most people that meet up there are normal well adjusted people.Though I will admit to being embarrassed at some of the antics of the minority who like to show off, then again the area is so heavily policed now that most people behave themselves. There are a few nutters who happen to ride bikes just as there are that drive Subu's or Evos these quasi rally cars make as much noise as a bike but I don't see any complaints from the NIMBY's etc to these driving through places like Helmsley in low gear and high revs to make as much noise as possible.
I'm a motorcyclist, I also drive, cycle and walk. Do these NIMBY's and others who refer to us with so much contempt as "bikers" not understand we are in the main normal people. The whole image these people have of us is like that of some violent gang culture of the far past. I'm in my sixties now and have been dropping in at Helmsley for over forty years, on the whole most people that meet up there are normal well adjusted people.Though I will admit to being embarrassed at some of the antics of the minority who like to show off, then again the area is so heavily policed now that most people behave themselves. There are a few nutters who happen to ride bikes just as there are that drive Subu's or Evos these quasi rally cars make as much noise as a bike but I don't see any complaints from the NIMBY's etc to these driving through places like Helmsley in low gear and high revs to make as much noise as possible. Thunderblade
  • Score: 0

6:40am Mon 19 Aug 13

brgmgb says...

The riders of loud bikes have no respect for people who are either living or walking anywhere near them. When a city or town has strong leadership and the police have courage, the biker problem is addressed. But when a community is in bad financial shape, a few dollars that bikers spend on burgers, beer, and fuel is enough to make the authorities leave them alone, even if their bikes have no mufflers.
The riders of loud bikes have no respect for people who are either living or walking anywhere near them. When a city or town has strong leadership and the police have courage, the biker problem is addressed. But when a community is in bad financial shape, a few dollars that bikers spend on burgers, beer, and fuel is enough to make the authorities leave them alone, even if their bikes have no mufflers. brgmgb
  • Score: -3

8:41pm Mon 19 Aug 13

Davebeck says...

"They are the bane of ordinary folk. They think that they own the road, and their numbers are increasing, especially to and around Helmsley and make hell for normal, careful, motorists."

Excuse me? Because I ride a motorcycle I'm not 'ordinary'?? People who own motorcycles are from ALL walks of life, just the same as car drivers! You appear to class yourself as 'ordinary and normal' because you choose to drive a car. I have a car AND a bike, does that make me 'half normal'? On a daily basis I encounter atrocious driving by car drivers,
I hear and see 'boy racers' everywhere I go, I'm woken up on a regular basis by 'customised' cars, of which the only customisation appears to be removing the exhaust. I am cut up by poor drivers weekly, I see appalling parking and drivers on mobile phones. Does this mean ALL car divers are 'the bane of normal people'? Of course it doesn't. As soon as you generalise, you've already lost any argument you thought you had.
"They are the bane of ordinary folk. They think that they own the road, and their numbers are increasing, especially to and around Helmsley and make hell for normal, careful, motorists." Excuse me? Because I ride a motorcycle I'm not 'ordinary'?? People who own motorcycles are from ALL walks of life, just the same as car drivers! You appear to class yourself as 'ordinary and normal' because you choose to drive a car. I have a car AND a bike, does that make me 'half normal'? On a daily basis I encounter atrocious driving by car drivers, I hear and see 'boy racers' everywhere I go, I'm woken up on a regular basis by 'customised' cars, of which the only customisation appears to be removing the exhaust. I am cut up by poor drivers weekly, I see appalling parking and drivers on mobile phones. Does this mean ALL car divers are 'the bane of normal people'? Of course it doesn't. As soon as you generalise, you've already lost any argument you thought you had. Davebeck
  • Score: 6

9:27pm Mon 19 Aug 13

Peterwalker says...

Davebeck wrote:
"They are the bane of ordinary folk. They think that they own the road, and their numbers are increasing, especially to and around Helmsley and make hell for normal, careful, motorists."

Excuse me? Because I ride a motorcycle I'm not 'ordinary'?? People who own motorcycles are from ALL walks of life, just the same as car drivers! You appear to class yourself as 'ordinary and normal' because you choose to drive a car. I have a car AND a bike, does that make me 'half normal'? On a daily basis I encounter atrocious driving by car drivers,
I hear and see 'boy racers' everywhere I go, I'm woken up on a regular basis by 'customised' cars, of which the only customisation appears to be removing the exhaust. I am cut up by poor drivers weekly, I see appalling parking and drivers on mobile phones. Does this mean ALL car divers are 'the bane of normal people'? Of course it doesn't. As soon as you generalise, you've already lost any argument you thought you had.
Absolutely spot on. Couldn't agree more. 'Boy racers' and, it has to be said, 'dawdling drivers' are also culpable. Why is it that everyone else on the road is wrong and I' m always right? Food for thought.
[quote][p][bold]Davebeck[/bold] wrote: "They are the bane of ordinary folk. They think that they own the road, and their numbers are increasing, especially to and around Helmsley and make hell for normal, careful, motorists." Excuse me? Because I ride a motorcycle I'm not 'ordinary'?? People who own motorcycles are from ALL walks of life, just the same as car drivers! You appear to class yourself as 'ordinary and normal' because you choose to drive a car. I have a car AND a bike, does that make me 'half normal'? On a daily basis I encounter atrocious driving by car drivers, I hear and see 'boy racers' everywhere I go, I'm woken up on a regular basis by 'customised' cars, of which the only customisation appears to be removing the exhaust. I am cut up by poor drivers weekly, I see appalling parking and drivers on mobile phones. Does this mean ALL car divers are 'the bane of normal people'? Of course it doesn't. As soon as you generalise, you've already lost any argument you thought you had.[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on. Couldn't agree more. 'Boy racers' and, it has to be said, 'dawdling drivers' are also culpable. Why is it that everyone else on the road is wrong and I' m always right? Food for thought. Peterwalker
  • Score: 2

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