Empty space above city-centre shop to become apartments (From York Press)
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Empty space above Kings Square shop to become apartments
9:11am Thursday 28th February 2013 in News
By Julie Hayes, Business editor
The city-centre property where the new apartments are to be created
EMPTY space above a York city-centre shop is to be converted into apartments.
Property investment company The Helmsley Group has bought the building, which contains four retail units, including Thomas The Bakers, and three empty upper floors, on the corner of Kings Square and Church Street, for £1.5 million.
The move is in line with a council initiative to convert empty upper floors into city-centre accommodation to help address York’s housing shortage.
But John Reeves, chairman of the Helmsley Group, said converting such space to residential use was not that simple.
The company has set up Kings Square Venture, a special fund made up of private investment from a syndicate of investors, which contains no pension-fund money, to be able to buy the building.
Mr Reeves said: “Where a property is owned by a private pension fund, and very many are, they are not allowed to convert to residential under pension fund rules.”
He said 60 per cent of Helmsley Group’s investment funding was made up of pension-fund money, and the main reason more floors above shops remain empty is because of red tape surrounding what pension funds can do with properties.
The group bought the building from a pension fund, which is why it has never been converted before, he said.
He said living accommodation over shops did not generate large profits for investors, and presented challenges such as insurance and the demands of residential tenants and full repairing leases.
“We specifically set this fund up deliberately so it could be converted. What’s the point of leaving Grade II Listed space empty in the middle of York?
“It is not the most profitable route for development, but it is profitable and even if we break even we would do it because it puts the property back into use.
“A property that’s occupied is looked after and this building has been empty upstairs for five to six years.”
Syndicate members are expected to gain an initial yield of 8.5 per cent, expected to climb to above 12 per cent once the two-bedroom apartments are completed and sold.
The group has planning permission and is looking for a builder to handle the sensitive conversion.
Mr Reeves: “It’s terrific to be able to buy well for clients as well as be able to bring back into use space above retail that can be converted into much-needed living accommodation.
“It’s a win-win situation – creating new homes for sale while enhancing clients’ returns in the process.
“We would love to buy more if we could find them.”
Comments(55)
capt spaulding
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9:45am Thu 28 Feb 13
Thats what happened above the Picture gallery in Coppergate ! Lots of water dribbling through the ceiling onto some very expensive paintings.
ReginaldBiscuit
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10:11am Thu 28 Feb 13
capt spaulding wrote:Let's hope a rampantly fornicating couple who work shifts and have the urge at any time of the day move in directly above.
I hope no one overfills their bath above the bakery.
Thats what happened above the Picture gallery in Coppergate ! Lots of water dribbling through the ceiling onto some very expensive paintings.
Fat Harry
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10:59am Thu 28 Feb 13
Alpha Kenny Thing wrote:What's the difference between an apartment and a flat?
Flats not apartments this is still England! I hope there will be enough room to store all the bins but I very much doubt it.
About £25,000.
gravitydrips
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11:28am Thu 28 Feb 13
Scarlet Pimpernel
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3:59pm Thu 28 Feb 13
gravitydrips wrote:I expect that Mr Reeves will either give them away, or allow tenants to stay there rent-free. More should do the same.
THREE FLOORS of flats in York city centre not profitable? Who does Mr Reeves think he's kidding? If these things go for rent, I bet the rental value per flat would easily exceed £1000 per month. This is an absolute goldmine.
I believe that everyone has a right to a roof over their heads and should be given housing for free. Free housing for all is my motto. Anyone who has a second home should give it away. Housebuilders should use all their land and cash to build houses for free. Houses will then have no value at all, and the word 'AFFORDABLE' will no longer apply to housing. It will be like tha NHS, but, even better, you pay nothing and get it for FREE.
FREE HOUSING FOR ALL !
bloodaxe
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4:17pm Thu 28 Feb 13
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:I take it that this is your pitch for the school mock election. A wonderful idea but if housebuilders build for nothing, what will the workers live on ? Oh, I get it, this will be a cashless society. It's been tried before but one of the parties ate of the fruit and the whole thing ended in shambles, with mass evictions, serpents on the rampage and everyone knowing far more than was good for them.
gravitydrips wrote:I expect that Mr Reeves will either give them away, or allow tenants to stay there rent-free. More should do the same.
THREE FLOORS of flats in York city centre not profitable? Who does Mr Reeves think he's kidding? If these things go for rent, I bet the rental value per flat would easily exceed £1000 per month. This is an absolute goldmine.
I believe that everyone has a right to a roof over their heads and should be given housing for free. Free housing for all is my motto. Anyone who has a second home should give it away. Housebuilders should use all their land and cash to build houses for free. Houses will then have no value at all, and the word 'AFFORDABLE' will no longer apply to housing. It will be like tha NHS, but, even better, you pay nothing and get it for FREE.
FREE HOUSING FOR ALL !
As for the flats, brilliant. More and more of this.
Pedro
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4:21pm Thu 28 Feb 13
PKH
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4:31pm Thu 28 Feb 13
neutral observer 2
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5:08pm Thu 28 Feb 13
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:Bit of a slimeball really.
gravitydrips wrote:I expect that Mr Reeves will either give them away, or allow tenants to stay there rent-free. More should do the same.
THREE FLOORS of flats in York city centre not profitable? Who does Mr Reeves think he's kidding? If these things go for rent, I bet the rental value per flat would easily exceed £1000 per month. This is an absolute goldmine.
I believe that everyone has a right to a roof over their heads and should be given housing for free. Free housing for all is my motto. Anyone who has a second home should give it away. Housebuilders should use all their land and cash to build houses for free. Houses will then have no value at all, and the word 'AFFORDABLE' will no longer apply to housing. It will be like tha NHS, but, even better, you pay nothing and get it for FREE.
FREE HOUSING FOR ALL !
Because you refuse to accept the world has turned.
You still think you its acceptable to hold those who can afford the least to pay you a £1225/per sq ft profit on each unit.
Over the past several years prior to passing all the cash to your Tory banker mates.
People were allowed to self cert. , which allowed your greed to be satisfied by inflating house prices.
No one could afford them then and still cant.
You still appear to be unable to explain who is going to buy your luxury shoe boxs and how someone who earns £40k a year will pay for it. Nevermind someone on minimum wages.
Jam tomorrow
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5:29pm Thu 28 Feb 13
A flat is the mean and space-less British version of a civilised apartment.
No to more flats.
Scarlet Pimpernel
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6:32pm Thu 28 Feb 13
bloodaxe wrote:No not suggesting a cashless society. I think the housebuilders should pay their labour and material costs etc, but give away the product. When their money has run out, they will have to cease trading and make all their staff redundant. Private housebuilders will then be put out of business, and work for the state to build houses paid for by everyone else's taxes. I'm just accelerating Labour's plan to kill private housebuilders off, just like York Council have been doing using the affordable housing policy. I expect that comrades Merrett and Simpson-Laing and their left wing officers will be well impressed with my ideas, and want me to join their party next.
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:I take it that this is your pitch for the school mock election. A wonderful idea but if housebuilders build for nothing, what will the workers live on ? Oh, I get it, this will be a cashless society. It's been tried before but one of the parties ate of the fruit and the whole thing ended in shambles, with mass evictions, serpents on the rampage and everyone knowing far more than was good for them. As for the flats, brilliant. More and more of this.gravitydrips wrote: THREE FLOORS of flats in York city centre not profitable? Who does Mr Reeves think he's kidding? If these things go for rent, I bet the rental value per flat would easily exceed £1000 per month. This is an absolute goldmine.I expect that Mr Reeves will either give them away, or allow tenants to stay there rent-free. More should do the same. I believe that everyone has a right to a roof over their heads and should be given housing for free. Free housing for all is my motto. Anyone who has a second home should give it away. Housebuilders should use all their land and cash to build houses for free. Houses will then have no value at all, and the word 'AFFORDABLE' will no longer apply to housing. It will be like tha NHS, but, even better, you pay nothing and get it for FREE. FREE HOUSING FOR ALL !
FREE HOUSING FOR ALL
and
f**K the private housebuilding industry !
Scarlet Pimpernel
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6:33pm Thu 28 Feb 13
neutral observer 2 wrote:Silly c**t !
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:Bit of a slimeball really. Because you refuse to accept the world has turned. You still think you its acceptable to hold those who can afford the least to pay you a £1225/per sq ft profit on each unit. Over the past several years prior to passing all the cash to your Tory banker mates. People were allowed to self cert. , which allowed your greed to be satisfied by inflating house prices. No one could afford them then and still cant. You still appear to be unable to explain who is going to buy your luxury shoe boxs and how someone who earns £40k a year will pay for it. Nevermind someone on minimum wages.gravitydrips wrote: THREE FLOORS of flats in York city centre not profitable? Who does Mr Reeves think he's kidding? If these things go for rent, I bet the rental value per flat would easily exceed £1000 per month. This is an absolute goldmine.I expect that Mr Reeves will either give them away, or allow tenants to stay there rent-free. More should do the same. I believe that everyone has a right to a roof over their heads and should be given housing for free. Free housing for all is my motto. Anyone who has a second home should give it away. Housebuilders should use all their land and cash to build houses for free. Houses will then have no value at all, and the word 'AFFORDABLE' will no longer apply to housing. It will be like tha NHS, but, even better, you pay nothing and get it for FREE. FREE HOUSING FOR ALL !
ouseswimmer
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6:48pm Thu 28 Feb 13
Fourkov
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7:05pm Thu 28 Feb 13
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:Great comment from site idiot.
neutral observer 2 wrote:Silly c**t !
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:Bit of a slimeball really. Because you refuse to accept the world has turned. You still think you its acceptable to hold those who can afford the least to pay you a £1225/per sq ft profit on each unit. Over the past several years prior to passing all the cash to your Tory banker mates. People were allowed to self cert. , which allowed your greed to be satisfied by inflating house prices. No one could afford them then and still cant. You still appear to be unable to explain who is going to buy your luxury shoe boxs and how someone who earns £40k a year will pay for it. Nevermind someone on minimum wages.gravitydrips wrote: THREE FLOORS of flats in York city centre not profitable? Who does Mr Reeves think he's kidding? If these things go for rent, I bet the rental value per flat would easily exceed £1000 per month. This is an absolute goldmine.I expect that Mr Reeves will either give them away, or allow tenants to stay there rent-free. More should do the same. I believe that everyone has a right to a roof over their heads and should be given housing for free. Free housing for all is my motto. Anyone who has a second home should give it away. Housebuilders should use all their land and cash to build houses for free. Houses will then have no value at all, and the word 'AFFORDABLE' will no longer apply to housing. It will be like tha NHS, but, even better, you pay nothing and get it for FREE. FREE HOUSING FOR ALL !
Bo Jolly
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7:13pm Thu 28 Feb 13
neutral observer 2
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9:11pm Thu 28 Feb 13
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:Dont be like that Paul.
neutral observer 2 wrote:Silly c**t !
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:Bit of a slimeball really. Because you refuse to accept the world has turned. You still think you its acceptable to hold those who can afford the least to pay you a £1225/per sq ft profit on each unit. Over the past several years prior to passing all the cash to your Tory banker mates. People were allowed to self cert. , which allowed your greed to be satisfied by inflating house prices. No one could afford them then and still cant. You still appear to be unable to explain who is going to buy your luxury shoe boxs and how someone who earns £40k a year will pay for it. Nevermind someone on minimum wages.gravitydrips wrote: THREE FLOORS of flats in York city centre not profitable? Who does Mr Reeves think he's kidding? If these things go for rent, I bet the rental value per flat would easily exceed £1000 per month. This is an absolute goldmine.I expect that Mr Reeves will either give them away, or allow tenants to stay there rent-free. More should do the same. I believe that everyone has a right to a roof over their heads and should be given housing for free. Free housing for all is my motto. Anyone who has a second home should give it away. Housebuilders should use all their land and cash to build houses for free. Houses will then have no value at all, and the word 'AFFORDABLE' will no longer apply to housing. It will be like tha NHS, but, even better, you pay nothing and get it for FREE. FREE HOUSING FOR ALL !
I might bump into you in Strensall high street.
Scarlet Pimpernel
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9:21pm Thu 28 Feb 13
neutral observer 2 wrote:You better not, for your own good. If you know what's good for you, you'll keep out of my way !
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:Dont be like that Paul.
neutral observer 2 wrote:Silly c**t !
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:Bit of a slimeball really. Because you refuse to accept the world has turned. You still think you its acceptable to hold those who can afford the least to pay you a £1225/per sq ft profit on each unit. Over the past several years prior to passing all the cash to your Tory banker mates. People were allowed to self cert. , which allowed your greed to be satisfied by inflating house prices. No one could afford them then and still cant. You still appear to be unable to explain who is going to buy your luxury shoe boxs and how someone who earns £40k a year will pay for it. Nevermind someone on minimum wages.gravitydrips wrote: THREE FLOORS of flats in York city centre not profitable? Who does Mr Reeves think he's kidding? If these things go for rent, I bet the rental value per flat would easily exceed £1000 per month. This is an absolute goldmine.I expect that Mr Reeves will either give them away, or allow tenants to stay there rent-free. More should do the same. I believe that everyone has a right to a roof over their heads and should be given housing for free. Free housing for all is my motto. Anyone who has a second home should give it away. Housebuilders should use all their land and cash to build houses for free. Houses will then have no value at all, and the word 'AFFORDABLE' will no longer apply to housing. It will be like tha NHS, but, even better, you pay nothing and get it for FREE. FREE HOUSING FOR ALL !
I might bump into you in Strensall high street.
Scarlet Pimpernel
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9:22pm Thu 28 Feb 13
Fourkov wrote:There speaks the voice of experience. Well said, you complete tw*t !
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:Great comment from site idiot.
neutral observer 2 wrote:Silly c**t !
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:Bit of a slimeball really. Because you refuse to accept the world has turned. You still think you its acceptable to hold those who can afford the least to pay you a £1225/per sq ft profit on each unit. Over the past several years prior to passing all the cash to your Tory banker mates. People were allowed to self cert. , which allowed your greed to be satisfied by inflating house prices. No one could afford them then and still cant. You still appear to be unable to explain who is going to buy your luxury shoe boxs and how someone who earns £40k a year will pay for it. Nevermind someone on minimum wages.gravitydrips wrote: THREE FLOORS of flats in York city centre not profitable? Who does Mr Reeves think he's kidding? If these things go for rent, I bet the rental value per flat would easily exceed £1000 per month. This is an absolute goldmine.I expect that Mr Reeves will either give them away, or allow tenants to stay there rent-free. More should do the same. I believe that everyone has a right to a roof over their heads and should be given housing for free. Free housing for all is my motto. Anyone who has a second home should give it away. Housebuilders should use all their land and cash to build houses for free. Houses will then have no value at all, and the word 'AFFORDABLE' will no longer apply to housing. It will be like tha NHS, but, even better, you pay nothing and get it for FREE. FREE HOUSING FOR ALL !
Fourkov
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9:46pm Thu 28 Feb 13
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:Ooh isn't she angry. Time of month is it?
Fourkov wrote:There speaks the voice of experience. Well said, you complete tw*t !
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:Great comment from site idiot.
neutral observer 2 wrote:Silly c**t !
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:Bit of a slimeball really. Because you refuse to accept the world has turned. You still think you its acceptable to hold those who can afford the least to pay you a £1225/per sq ft profit on each unit. Over the past several years prior to passing all the cash to your Tory banker mates. People were allowed to self cert. , which allowed your greed to be satisfied by inflating house prices. No one could afford them then and still cant. You still appear to be unable to explain who is going to buy your luxury shoe boxs and how someone who earns £40k a year will pay for it. Nevermind someone on minimum wages.gravitydrips wrote: THREE FLOORS of flats in York city centre not profitable? Who does Mr Reeves think he's kidding? If these things go for rent, I bet the rental value per flat would easily exceed £1000 per month. This is an absolute goldmine.I expect that Mr Reeves will either give them away, or allow tenants to stay there rent-free. More should do the same. I believe that everyone has a right to a roof over their heads and should be given housing for free. Free housing for all is my motto. Anyone who has a second home should give it away. Housebuilders should use all their land and cash to build houses for free. Houses will then have no value at all, and the word 'AFFORDABLE' will no longer apply to housing. It will be like tha NHS, but, even better, you pay nothing and get it for FREE. FREE HOUSING FOR ALL !
heworth.28
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10:30pm Thu 28 Feb 13
TheTruthHurts
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10:45pm Thu 28 Feb 13
'
I think the phrase im looking for is 'wind yer neck in'
neutral observer 2
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5:58am Fri 1 Mar 13
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:you wont know its coming. bit like a bailiff. Cant wait to see you squirm
neutral observer 2 wrote:You better not, for your own good. If you know what's good for you, you'll keep out of my way !
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:Dont be like that Paul.
neutral observer 2 wrote:Silly c**t !
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:Bit of a slimeball really. Because you refuse to accept the world has turned. You still think you its acceptable to hold those who can afford the least to pay you a £1225/per sq ft profit on each unit. Over the past several years prior to passing all the cash to your Tory banker mates. People were allowed to self cert. , which allowed your greed to be satisfied by inflating house prices. No one could afford them then and still cant. You still appear to be unable to explain who is going to buy your luxury shoe boxs and how someone who earns £40k a year will pay for it. Nevermind someone on minimum wages.gravitydrips wrote: THREE FLOORS of flats in York city centre not profitable? Who does Mr Reeves think he's kidding? If these things go for rent, I bet the rental value per flat would easily exceed £1000 per month. This is an absolute goldmine.I expect that Mr Reeves will either give them away, or allow tenants to stay there rent-free. More should do the same. I believe that everyone has a right to a roof over their heads and should be given housing for free. Free housing for all is my motto. Anyone who has a second home should give it away. Housebuilders should use all their land and cash to build houses for free. Houses will then have no value at all, and the word 'AFFORDABLE' will no longer apply to housing. It will be like tha NHS, but, even better, you pay nothing and get it for FREE. FREE HOUSING FOR ALL !
I might bump into you in Strensall high street.
Buzz Light-year
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7:56am Fri 1 Mar 13
Sweary and threatening.
Not very dignified, Pimp.
You should stick to joint letter writing with "the great man."
Scarlet Pimpernel
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10:54am Fri 1 Mar 13
TheTruthHurts wrote:I'm passed caring, TTH. You know that I have, in the main, being rational, reasonable/fair with my arguments. I have backed these up with facts, evidence and analysis. Yet despite doing this, there has been attacks against my character and disagreement with my assertions but with no counter-evidence or facts provided. So, if they accuse me of being unhinged, paranoid and obsessive, when in the past I have not lived up to these accusations, I might as well start acting as they would have me act.
WTF scarlet whats going on, i fully support your arguments with regards to affordable housing and should keep fighting the good fight. But comments like above which are sure to be removed just play you right into your opponents hands. And also justify comments that some others have made about you on these pages and the letters comments too. ' I think the phrase im looking for is 'wind yer neck in'
Have I lost the argument ? I am no longer bothered TBH.
Scarlet Pimpernel
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10:56am Fri 1 Mar 13
Buzz Light-year wrote:Ever the ad hominen troll !
Well. Sweary and threatening. Not very dignified, Pimp. You should stick to joint letter writing with "the great man."
Scarlet Pimpernel
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10:57am Fri 1 Mar 13
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:Ad hominem
Buzz Light-year wrote: Well. Sweary and threatening. Not very dignified, Pimp. You should stick to joint letter writing with "the great man."Ever the ad hominen troll !
Scarlet Pimpernel
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11:01am Fri 1 Mar 13
neutral observer 2 wrote:I have no fear of baliffs. All bills paid, no mortgage, no credit cards, no debt, CITB balances in credit, and plenty of investments/assets. I live well within my means.
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:you wont know its coming. bit like a bailiff. Cant wait to see you squirmneutral observer 2 wrote:You better not, for your own good. If you know what's good for you, you'll keep out of my way !Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:Dont be like that Paul. I might bump into you in Strensall high street.neutral observer 2 wrote:Silly c**t !Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:Bit of a slimeball really. Because you refuse to accept the world has turned. You still think you its acceptable to hold those who can afford the least to pay you a £1225/per sq ft profit on each unit. Over the past several years prior to passing all the cash to your Tory banker mates. People were allowed to self cert. , which allowed your greed to be satisfied by inflating house prices. No one could afford them then and still cant. You still appear to be unable to explain who is going to buy your luxury shoe boxs and how someone who earns £40k a year will pay for it. Nevermind someone on minimum wages.gravitydrips wrote: THREE FLOORS of flats in York city centre not profitable? Who does Mr Reeves think he's kidding? If these things go for rent, I bet the rental value per flat would easily exceed £1000 per month. This is an absolute goldmine.I expect that Mr Reeves will either give them away, or allow tenants to stay there rent-free. More should do the same. I believe that everyone has a right to a roof over their heads and should be given housing for free. Free housing for all is my motto. Anyone who has a second home should give it away. Housebuilders should use all their land and cash to build houses for free. Houses will then have no value at all, and the word 'AFFORDABLE' will no longer apply to housing. It will be like tha NHS, but, even better, you pay nothing and get it for FREE. FREE HOUSING FOR ALL !
Buzz Light-year
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12:59pm Fri 1 Mar 13
I have no fear of baliffs. All bills paid, no mortgage, no credit cards, no debt, CITB balances in credit, and plenty of investments/assets. I live well within my means.
All that and yet you're still not happy.
Just goes to show.
Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:58pm Fri 1 Mar 13
Buzz Light-year wrote:I'm luckier than many who have lost their jobs/livelihoods and businesses. In York there are many. I have managed my finances carefully, not taking holidays or buying new clothes for five years. I claim no benefits but have supported many who do. Those who the left attack, are mainly those who's taxes and contributions support
I have no fear of baliffs. All bills paid, no mortgage, no credit cards, no debt, CITB balances in credit, and plenty of investments/assets. I live well within my means.All that and yet you're still not happy. Just goes to show.
the poor, whilst the attackers look after themselves.
What is it about the social housing brigade that make them hate housebuilders ? They seem to blame them for not building enough houses, and expect them to do it for little or no profit. Housebuilders are minnows in terms of GDP, and other sectors make massive profits like drugs companies. Social responsibility is equal and that goes for housing. It's time that politicians and the social housing brigade got off the backs of private housebuilding.
neutral observer 2
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8:31am Sat 2 Mar 13
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:Bit rich that.
TheTruthHurts wrote:I'm passed caring, TTH. You know that I have, in the main, being rational, reasonable/fair with my arguments. I have backed these up with facts, evidence and analysis. Yet despite doing this, there has been attacks against my character and disagreement with my assertions but with no counter-evidence or facts provided. So, if they accuse me of being unhinged, paranoid and obsessive, when in the past I have not lived up to these accusations, I might as well start acting as they would have me act.
WTF scarlet whats going on, i fully support your arguments with regards to affordable housing and should keep fighting the good fight. But comments like above which are sure to be removed just play you right into your opponents hands. And also justify comments that some others have made about you on these pages and the letters comments too. ' I think the phrase im looking for is 'wind yer neck in'
Have I lost the argument ? I am no longer bothered TBH.
All ive ever seen is a stream of accusations of fraudulent use of the public purse, without any facts.
Also implying people have been forced to sign documents against their will.
You havent been able to answer, how much a house in your view cost us all. If not affordable. How people get the cash to fund it...... In a proper way like your saintly self.
Your like a spoilt child in a shop when mummy wont buy you any sweets.
Best off being safe and selfish, instead of standing up for election and showing us all the Utopian dream we are missing.
Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:02pm Sat 2 Mar 13
neutral observer 2 wrote:You make it up as you go along, just as you did as Jezreel and south bronx red 2.
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:Bit rich that. All ive ever seen is a stream of accusations of fraudulent use of the public purse, without any facts. Also implying people have been forced to sign documents against their will. You havent been able to answer, how much a house in your view cost us all. If not affordable. How people get the cash to fund it...... In a proper way like your saintly self. Your like a spoilt child in a shop when mummy wont buy you any sweets. Best off being safe and selfish, instead of standing up for election and showing us all the Utopian dream we are missing.TheTruthHurts wrote: WTF scarlet whats going on, i fully support your arguments with regards to affordable housing and should keep fighting the good fight. But comments like above which are sure to be removed just play you right into your opponents hands. And also justify comments that some others have made about you on these pages and the letters comments too. ' I think the phrase im looking for is 'wind yer neck in'I'm passed caring, TTH. You know that I have, in the main, being rational, reasonable/fair with my arguments. I have backed these up with facts, evidence and analysis. Yet despite doing this, there has been attacks against my character and disagreement with my assertions but with no counter-evidence or facts provided. So, if they accuse me of being unhinged, paranoid and obsessive, when in the past I have not lived up to these accusations, I might as well start acting as they would have me act. Have I lost the argument ? I am no longer bothered TBH.
The fact is, CYC are guilty of wholesale cheating with their Get York Building report, which is riddled with inaccuracies, inconsistencies and lies, and factually deficient because of omissions of the bits which would invalidate the councils proposals.
The only houses CYC want to get built is social housing by JRHT and their RSL buddies. Problem is, they can't deliver. Look at Derwenthorpe. JRHT told Inside Housing that they would complete the whole development of 540 homes by 2016. That's a joke. They haven't completed phase 1 yet, which is only 64 units and they have been on site two years. They haven't appointed a builder for Phase 2 yet, so there will be a delay in production/sales after Phase 1 is completed. At their current rate of sales and build, it will take them over 20 years to complete the development - four times longer than they claimed in last years Inside Housing article !
CYC will Get York Building - building a bigger waiting list, not houses !
Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:10pm Sat 2 Mar 13
Buzz Light-year wrote:Goes to show what ?
I have no fear of baliffs. All bills paid, no mortgage, no credit cards, no debt, CITB balances in credit, and plenty of investments/assets. I live well within my means.All that and yet you're still not happy. Just goes to show.
That I want York Council to allow local firms build houses and provide jobs, which will also bring growth to the economy.
Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:15pm Sat 2 Mar 13
Buzz Light-year wrote:It's not about what I've got.
I have no fear of baliffs. All bills paid, no mortgage, no credit cards, no debt, CITB balances in credit, and plenty of investments/assets. I live well within my means.All that and yet you're still not happy. Just goes to show.
It's about what York needs.
York needs housing.
York needs jobs.
York needs growth to it's economy.
It won't get anywhere enough of any of these, with CYC's current policies.
Their policies are anti-business as far as housebuilding is concerned. The numbers don't lie, but, CYC's Get York Building Report does - it'a a pack of lies !
Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:18pm Sat 2 Mar 13
Buzz Light-year wrote:I'm not happy that CYC's officers are telling a pack of lies in their Get York Building report.
I have no fear of baliffs. All bills paid, no mortgage, no credit cards, no debt, CITB balances in credit, and plenty of investments/assets. I live well within my means.All that and yet you're still not happy. Just goes to show.
York residents should not be happy about it either !
There should be an Inquiry into this.
Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:20pm Sat 2 Mar 13
heworth.28 wrote:Don't understand what you are getting at, Heworth.28 ?
Isn't the article just another regurgitated press release?
Can you elaborate, please ?
neutral observer 2
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8:35am Sun 3 Mar 13
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:So David Wilson Homes are holding up Derwenthorpe ?
neutral observer 2 wrote:You make it up as you go along, just as you did as Jezreel and south bronx red 2.
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:Bit rich that. All ive ever seen is a stream of accusations of fraudulent use of the public purse, without any facts. Also implying people have been forced to sign documents against their will. You havent been able to answer, how much a house in your view cost us all. If not affordable. How people get the cash to fund it...... In a proper way like your saintly self. Your like a spoilt child in a shop when mummy wont buy you any sweets. Best off being safe and selfish, instead of standing up for election and showing us all the Utopian dream we are missing.TheTruthHurts wrote: WTF scarlet whats going on, i fully support your arguments with regards to affordable housing and should keep fighting the good fight. But comments like above which are sure to be removed just play you right into your opponents hands. And also justify comments that some others have made about you on these pages and the letters comments too. ' I think the phrase im looking for is 'wind yer neck in'I'm passed caring, TTH. You know that I have, in the main, being rational, reasonable/fair with my arguments. I have backed these up with facts, evidence and analysis. Yet despite doing this, there has been attacks against my character and disagreement with my assertions but with no counter-evidence or facts provided. So, if they accuse me of being unhinged, paranoid and obsessive, when in the past I have not lived up to these accusations, I might as well start acting as they would have me act. Have I lost the argument ? I am no longer bothered TBH.
The fact is, CYC are guilty of wholesale cheating with their Get York Building report, which is riddled with inaccuracies, inconsistencies and lies, and factually deficient because of omissions of the bits which would invalidate the councils proposals.
The only houses CYC want to get built is social housing by JRHT and their RSL buddies. Problem is, they can't deliver. Look at Derwenthorpe. JRHT told Inside Housing that they would complete the whole development of 540 homes by 2016. That's a joke. They haven't completed phase 1 yet, which is only 64 units and they have been on site two years. They haven't appointed a builder for Phase 2 yet, so there will be a delay in production/sales after Phase 1 is completed. At their current rate of sales and build, it will take them over 20 years to complete the development - four times longer than they claimed in last years Inside Housing article !
CYC will Get York Building - building a bigger waiting list, not houses !
As i thought, your grand only idea is for you to get wedge of the potential cash.
As far as i was aware those on site were local workers.
The problem you refuse to accept is you want the same profits under a new world system.
You always shy away from what you see as affordable and where the money is going to come from to pay for it.
Scarlet Pimpernel
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12:56pm Sun 3 Mar 13
neutral observer 2 wrote:Not DWH holding it up - JRHT and the council's plan has failed. 40% AH puts private buyers off. Even with a £20m discount on the land and £8.5m finance from the HCA, they can't make it work. Telling Inside Housing last year, that they would be complete by 2016, shows how clueless and deluded they are.
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:So David Wilson Homes are holding up Derwenthorpe ? As i thought, your grand only idea is for you to get wedge of the potential cash. As far as i was aware those on site were local workers. The problem you refuse to accept is you want the same profits under a new world system. You always shy away from what you see as affordable and where the money is going to come from to pay for it.neutral observer 2 wrote:You make it up as you go along, just as you did as Jezreel and south bronx red 2. The fact is, CYC are guilty of wholesale cheating with their Get York Building report, which is riddled with inaccuracies, inconsistencies and lies, and factually deficient because of omissions of the bits which would invalidate the councils proposals. The only houses CYC want to get built is social housing by JRHT and their RSL buddies. Problem is, they can't deliver. Look at Derwenthorpe. JRHT told Inside Housing that they would complete the whole development of 540 homes by 2016. That's a joke. They haven't completed phase 1 yet, which is only 64 units and they have been on site two years. They haven't appointed a builder for Phase 2 yet, so there will be a delay in production/sales after Phase 1 is completed. At their current rate of sales and build, it will take them over 20 years to complete the development - four times longer than they claimed in last years Inside Housing article ! CYC will Get York Building - building a bigger waiting list, not houses !Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:Bit rich that. All ive ever seen is a stream of accusations of fraudulent use of the public purse, without any facts. Also implying people have been forced to sign documents against their will. You havent been able to answer, how much a house in your view cost us all. If not affordable. How people get the cash to fund it...... In a proper way like your saintly self. Your like a spoilt child in a shop when mummy wont buy you any sweets. Best off being safe and selfish, instead of standing up for election and showing us all the Utopian dream we are missing.TheTruthHurts wrote: WTF scarlet whats going on, i fully support your arguments with regards to affordable housing and should keep fighting the good fight. But comments like above which are sure to be removed just play you right into your opponents hands. And also justify comments that some others have made about you on these pages and the letters comments too. ' I think the phrase im looking for is 'wind yer neck in'I'm passed caring, TTH. You know that I have, in the main, being rational, reasonable/fair with my arguments. I have backed these up with facts, evidence and analysis. Yet despite doing this, there has been attacks against my character and disagreement with my assertions but with no counter-evidence or facts provided. So, if they accuse me of being unhinged, paranoid and obsessive, when in the past I have not lived up to these accusations, I might as well start acting as they would have me act. Have I lost the argument ? I am no longer bothered TBH.
Because you can't grasp what the issue is, let me spell it out to you:-
1. Blackmailing developers using planning/S106 to provide affordable (social) housing has had it's day.
2. York Council's setting of the illegitimate 50% target and retaining it for nearly six years caused ,massive damage to housebuilding in York, compounding the effects of the credit crunch, that is why York's housing completions fell 72% against 37% in the UK.
3. Paying for affordable housing has to be funded by government. Just because housebuilders build houses does not make them responsible for sorting out the housing mess.
You don't understand how housebuilding industry operates. Unless there is regulatory roll-back, only large firms will survive, and the structural damage to the industry through the loss of small companies will compound the housing crisis.
Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:05pm Sun 3 Mar 13
There are two choices for York Council with their AH targets:-
1. Lower them to no more than 10% and get more housing, more jobs and growth to York's economy, with stalled sites starting.
or,
2. Keep them at current levels, and get very little improvement.
meme
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9:53am Mon 4 Mar 13
How can it be a bad thing to provide more places for people to live no matter who they are aimed at?
People living in the City creates vitality for the shops etc and the wealth spreads downwards to all.
Developers have to make profits but can only charge what people will pay and by the time the planners/conservatio
n officers etc have taken their chunk the price has to be enough to cover the costs of conversion.
As for the negative comment about pension funds NOT being allowed to convert and collect rents... this is entirely correct. Our clever government and HMRC policies activly prevent such conversions!
As for affordable homes ther eis a huge issue here. In times of recession smaller builders cannot provide them and stay in business hence little devlopment taking place. We all know there is an issue but how can a small developer provide them when JRHT at Derwenthorpe needed some £5 million plus subsidy to provide them? Its madness when combined with all the other payments York seek
A pip can only be sqeezed until it is dry and the pips are now dry! Builders want to build but must make a profit to do so If they dot they go bust and all the peole who rely on them for work go out of work How can that be good for the economy?
Buzz Light-year
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1:17pm Mon 4 Mar 13
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:Just goes to show that being financially comfortable doesn't always equate with happiness.
Buzz Light-year wrote:Goes to show what ? That I want York Council to allow local firms build houses and provide jobs, which will also bring growth to the economy.I have no fear of baliffs. All bills paid, no mortgage, no credit cards, no debt, CITB balances in credit, and plenty of investments/assets. I live well within my means.All that and yet you're still not happy. Just goes to show.
It's obvious you're not happy.
The endless hours you put into manaically repeating your message over and over again on these pages and on Steve Galloway's pages and emailing the council to the point of getting blocked and writing two-pronged letter salvos alongside Mr Laverack to all manner of publications nationwide etc etc.
A happy man would have better things to do with his time.
Your Twitter thing didn't last long did it?
Scarlet Pimpernel
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3:08pm Mon 4 Mar 13
Buzz Light-year wrote:So are you saying that unless you are on benefits or in financial difficulty, you shouldn't speak out against wrongdoing ?
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:Just goes to show that being financially comfortable doesn't always equate with happiness. It's obvious you're not happy. The endless hours you put into manaically repeating your message over and over again on these pages and on Steve Galloway's pages and emailing the council to the point of getting blocked and writing two-pronged letter salvos alongside Mr Laverack to all manner of publications nationwide etc etc. A happy man would have better things to do with his time. Your Twitter thing didn't last long did it?Buzz Light-year wrote:Goes to show what ? That I want York Council to allow local firms build houses and provide jobs, which will also bring growth to the economy.I have no fear of baliffs. All bills paid, no mortgage, no credit cards, no debt, CITB balances in credit, and plenty of investments/assets. I live well within my means.All that and yet you're still not happy. Just goes to show.
In your world, happy, solvent people shouldn't speak out against cheating and lying by council members and officers ?
What I do with my time, is my business. Get off my back, you creep.
Scarlet Pimpernel
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3:19pm Mon 4 Mar 13
Buzz Light-year wrote:I'm not on twitter, BTW..... got better things to do !
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:Just goes to show that being financially comfortable doesn't always equate with happiness. It's obvious you're not happy. The endless hours you put into manaically repeating your message over and over again on these pages and on Steve Galloway's pages and emailing the council to the point of getting blocked and writing two-pronged letter salvos alongside Mr Laverack to all manner of publications nationwide etc etc. A happy man would have better things to do with his time. Your Twitter thing didn't last long did it?Buzz Light-year wrote:Goes to show what ? That I want York Council to allow local firms build houses and provide jobs, which will also bring growth to the economy.I have no fear of baliffs. All bills paid, no mortgage, no credit cards, no debt, CITB balances in credit, and plenty of investments/assets. I live well within my means.All that and yet you're still not happy. Just goes to show.
Buzz Light-year
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7:14pm Mon 4 Mar 13
Get off my back, you creep.
No need for that.
You were on Twitter, harassing councillors as usual and contacting local property firms.
Then you deleted everything.
Someone rattled your cage innit.
Scarlet Pimpernel
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7:51pm Mon 4 Mar 13
Buzz Light-year wrote:Sorry, not with you ? I'm not on twitter. Why would I be contacting property firms ?
Get off my back, you creep.
No need for that.
You were on Twitter, harassing councillors as usual and contacting local property firms.
Then you deleted everything.
Someone rattled your cage innit.
Buzz Light-year
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8:48pm Mon 4 Mar 13
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:Well duh!
Buzz Light-year wrote:Sorry, not with you ? I'm not on twitter. Why would I be contacting property firms ?Get off my back, you creep.No need for that. You were on Twitter, harassing councillors as usual and contacting local property firms. Then you deleted everything. Someone rattled your cage innit.
To ask them if they thought CYC's AH policy has had a negative effect on blah blah blah.
One of them agreed with you.
You even managed to engage JA for a bit.
Have you heard of "screenshots"? :D
Scarlet Pimpernel
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10:38pm Mon 4 Mar 13
Buzz Light-year wrote:Sorry, can't help you with this, but, good luck to whoever it is ?
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:Well duh!
Buzz Light-year wrote:Sorry, not with you ? I'm not on twitter. Why would I be contacting property firms ?Get off my back, you creep.No need for that. You were on Twitter, harassing councillors as usual and contacting local property firms. Then you deleted everything. Someone rattled your cage innit.
To ask them if they thought CYC's AH policy has had a negative effect on blah blah blah.
One of them agreed with you.
You even managed to engage JA for a bit.
Have you heard of "screenshots"? :D
You could tweet him/her and tell them they are wasting their time.
Scarlet Pimpernel
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10:46pm Mon 4 Mar 13
Just noticed your post on the Escrick parish council story, and was about to make a comment, and guess what ?
Our theory seems to be proven right again.
Shocking, eh ?
,
CaroleBaines
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8:58am Wed 6 Mar 13
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:It is ok to threaten fellow posters now on this forum an call them the c-- word and t--- word? Are there no moderators here?
neutral observer 2 wrote:You better not, for your own good. If you know what's good for you, you'll keep out of my way !
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:Dont be like that Paul.
neutral observer 2 wrote:Silly c**t !
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:Bit of a slimeball really. Because you refuse to accept the world has turned. You still think you its acceptable to hold those who can afford the least to pay you a £1225/per sq ft profit on each unit. Over the past several years prior to passing all the cash to your Tory banker mates. People were allowed to self cert. , which allowed your greed to be satisfied by inflating house prices. No one could afford them then and still cant. You still appear to be unable to explain who is going to buy your luxury shoe boxs and how someone who earns £40k a year will pay for it. Nevermind someone on minimum wages.gravitydrips wrote: THREE FLOORS of flats in York city centre not profitable? Who does Mr Reeves think he's kidding? If these things go for rent, I bet the rental value per flat would easily exceed £1000 per month. This is an absolute goldmine.I expect that Mr Reeves will either give them away, or allow tenants to stay there rent-free. More should do the same. I believe that everyone has a right to a roof over their heads and should be given housing for free. Free housing for all is my motto. Anyone who has a second home should give it away. Housebuilders should use all their land and cash to build houses for free. Houses will then have no value at all, and the word 'AFFORDABLE' will no longer apply to housing. It will be like tha NHS, but, even better, you pay nothing and get it for FREE. FREE HOUSING FOR ALL !
I might bump into you in Strensall high street.
TerryYork
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9:41am Wed 6 Mar 13
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:You're really off your trolley.
gravitydrips wrote:I expect that Mr Reeves will either give them away, or allow tenants to stay there rent-free. More should do the same.
THREE FLOORS of flats in York city centre not profitable? Who does Mr Reeves think he's kidding? If these things go for rent, I bet the rental value per flat would easily exceed £1000 per month. This is an absolute goldmine.
I believe that everyone has a right to a roof over their heads and should be given housing for free. Free housing for all is my motto. Anyone who has a second home should give it away. Housebuilders should use all their land and cash to build houses for free. Houses will then have no value at all, and the word 'AFFORDABLE' will no longer apply to housing. It will be like tha NHS, but, even better, you pay nothing and get it for FREE.
FREE HOUSING FOR ALL !
Buzz Light-year
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12:42pm Wed 6 Mar 13
It is ok to threaten fellow posters now on this forum an call them the c-- word and t--- word? Are there no moderators here?
Seems to be more ok than asking questions about the council.
Scarlet Pimpernel
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12:42pm Wed 6 Mar 13
CaroleBaines wrote:Note who started namecalling and using threats.
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:It is ok to threaten fellow posters now on this forum an call them the c-- word and t--- word? Are there no moderators here?neutral observer 2 wrote:You better not, for your own good. If you know what's good for you, you'll keep out of my way !Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:Dont be like that Paul. I might bump into you in Strensall high street.neutral observer 2 wrote:Silly c**t !Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:Bit of a slimeball really. Because you refuse to accept the world has turned. You still think you its acceptable to hold those who can afford the least to pay you a £1225/per sq ft profit on each unit. Over the past several years prior to passing all the cash to your Tory banker mates. People were allowed to self cert. , which allowed your greed to be satisfied by inflating house prices. No one could afford them then and still cant. You still appear to be unable to explain who is going to buy your luxury shoe boxs and how someone who earns £40k a year will pay for it. Nevermind someone on minimum wages.gravitydrips wrote: THREE FLOORS of flats in York city centre not profitable? Who does Mr Reeves think he's kidding? If these things go for rent, I bet the rental value per flat would easily exceed £1000 per month. This is an absolute goldmine.I expect that Mr Reeves will either give them away, or allow tenants to stay there rent-free. More should do the same. I believe that everyone has a right to a roof over their heads and should be given housing for free. Free housing for all is my motto. Anyone who has a second home should give it away. Housebuilders should use all their land and cash to build houses for free. Houses will then have no value at all, and the word 'AFFORDABLE' will no longer apply to housing. It will be like tha NHS, but, even better, you pay nothing and get it for FREE. FREE HOUSING FOR ALL !
"Bit of a slimeball really"
"I might bump into you in Strensall high street"
Scarlet Pimpernel
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12:44pm Wed 6 Mar 13
Buzz Light-year wrote:'Clot' and 'twit', aren't that offensive ?
It is ok to threaten fellow posters now on this forum an call them the c-- word and t--- word? Are there no moderators here?Seems to be more ok than asking questions about the council.
Buzz Light-year
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7:08pm Wed 6 Mar 13
Why'd ya delete all your Twitter posts and unfollow everyone?
Scarlet Pimpernel
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9:13pm Wed 6 Mar 13
Buzz Light-year wrote:Haven't got a clue what you are talking about ? Never had a twitter thing !
So....
Why'd ya delete all your Twitter posts and unfollow everyone?
Alpha Kenny Thing says...
9:27am Thu 28 Feb 13
I hope there will be enough room to store all the bins but I very much doubt it.