£25m upgrade plan for Monks Cross Shopping Park

York Press: £25m upgrade plan for Monks Cross Shopping Park £25m upgrade plan for Monks Cross Shopping Park

DEVELOPERS have unveiled £25 million plans to expand Monks Cross Shopping Park on the edge of York, creating two large anchor stores and up to 175 jobs.

Under the proposals, the existing Marks & Spencer, Sports Direct and Laura Ashley units would be converted into one anchor store of 70,000 sq ft and a second anchor store of 60,000 sq ft would be created by combining WH Smith and Outfit.

The plans also seek to divide the existing Clarks shoe shop into two smaller units, providing a more suitably-sized unit for Clarks and also helping to accommodate the retailers displaced through the creation of the larger units.

Monks Cross Shopping said the project was the minimum it needed to do to keep the centre viable, after two of its main occupants, Marks & Spencer and Next, confirmed they were opening new stores in the nearby Oakgate scheme beside the new community stadium.

The centre warned that 40 per cent of its retailers had said they wanted to leave, or needed units of a different size or position.

Eric Hall, of property company TDH Estates, which has prepared the planning application, said the centre needed anchor stores to generate the footfall that the other retailers trade off.

The company is in talks with a clothing retailer that would be new to York, over the larger 70,000 sq ft store, and Mr Hall said they were “more than reasonably confident” of a deal.

They also hope a department store will relocate into the 60,000 sq ft store.

The 15-year-old shopping centre has had no major works for a number of years and previous plans involving extending two units into car parking space and adding mezzanine floors to existing units were turned down last May.

Mr Hall said the new plans involved no new buildings or extensions, but existing mezzanine flooring in some of the units earmarked to become new anchor stores would be extended.

Mr Hall said the plans would increase floor space by 48,000 sq ft without adding any new ground floor accommodation.

He said: “The priority has to be to attract key retailers to Monks Cross Shopping Park for the benefit of the city of York and the wider area.

“We feel this proposal would do just that and position York and particularly Monks Cross Shopping as a retail destination of choice with much to offer.”

Local councillor Carol Runciman said she hoped there would not be local disruption during the construction work, such as over parking.

Coun Runciman said: “A tremendous number of local people shop at Monks Cross, and if this scheme improves shopping in the local area and creates new jobs, that has to be a good thing.”

Mr Hall said he hoped to have a named occupier for every part of the scheme by the time a planning application is submitted in spring.

The scheme would help to retain 120 jobs and safeguard the future of the park, which employs 1,000 people in total, while also creating up to 175 jobs during the year-long construction work, which could start by the end of the year if plans are approved.

The Oakgate shopping scheme, which was approved as part of the community stadium project, will include Marks & Spencer, Next and John Lewis stores.

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11:36am Mon 25 Feb 13

ReginaldBiscuit says...

You are assuming of course that folks have the money to spend in these new stores.
You are assuming of course that folks have the money to spend in these new stores. ReginaldBiscuit
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11:51am Mon 25 Feb 13

The Great Buda says...

This is truely the end for the city centre.

#prayforYorkCityCent
re
This is truely the end for the city centre. #prayforYorkCityCent re The Great Buda
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11:52am Mon 25 Feb 13

neutral observer 2 says...

Next , M&S wont be long in closing down their city center stores.
Well done all you councillors for allowing it.
Next , M&S wont be long in closing down their city center stores. Well done all you councillors for allowing it. neutral observer 2
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11:56am Mon 25 Feb 13

Pete the Brickie says...



, creating two large anchor stores and up to 175 jobs.



These shops seem to be aiming for to narrow a market to me, there is no way the Captain of a large seagoing vessel is going to travel this far inland to buy an anchor on its own, they need to offer propellers and masts as well.
[quote] , creating two large anchor stores and up to 175 jobs. [/quote] These shops seem to be aiming for to narrow a market to me, there is no way the Captain of a large seagoing vessel is going to travel this far inland to buy an anchor on its own, they need to offer propellers and masts as well. Pete the Brickie
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12:42pm Mon 25 Feb 13

goreds says...

Why not accomodate MS and JLewis in these 2 'new' units, knock Oakgate on the head and give surplus money to renovate Bootham Crescent for fotball and rugby ?
Oakgate will split Monks Cross and lead to less shoppers between the 2 sites not to mention the extra travelling for fotball fans.
Why not accomodate MS and JLewis in these 2 'new' units, knock Oakgate on the head and give surplus money to renovate Bootham Crescent for fotball and rugby ? Oakgate will split Monks Cross and lead to less shoppers between the 2 sites not to mention the extra travelling for fotball fans. goreds
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12:59pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Haywire says...

Pete the Brickie wrote:


, creating two large anchor stores and up to 175 jobs.



These shops seem to be aiming for to narrow a market to me, there is no way the Captain of a large seagoing vessel is going to travel this far inland to buy an anchor on its own, they need to offer propellers and masts as well.
Peter, I know what my wife would say if I'd cracked that one!
[quote][p][bold]Pete the Brickie[/bold] wrote: [quote] , creating two large anchor stores and up to 175 jobs. [/quote] These shops seem to be aiming for to narrow a market to me, there is no way the Captain of a large seagoing vessel is going to travel this far inland to buy an anchor on its own, they need to offer propellers and masts as well.[/p][/quote]Peter, I know what my wife would say if I'd cracked that one! Haywire
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1:01pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Haywire says...

Pete the Brickie wrote:


, creating two large anchor stores and up to 175 jobs.



These shops seem to be aiming for to narrow a market to me, there is no way the Captain of a large seagoing vessel is going to travel this far inland to buy an anchor on its own, they need to offer propellers and masts as well.
In fact, you should be reduced to hod carrier for an indeterminate period! LOL!
[quote][p][bold]Pete the Brickie[/bold] wrote: [quote] , creating two large anchor stores and up to 175 jobs. [/quote] These shops seem to be aiming for to narrow a market to me, there is no way the Captain of a large seagoing vessel is going to travel this far inland to buy an anchor on its own, they need to offer propellers and masts as well.[/p][/quote]In fact, you should be reduced to hod carrier for an indeterminate period! LOL! Haywire
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1:21pm Mon 25 Feb 13

BioLogic says...

The councillors were warned it would happen when permitting the Oakgate development against planning policy, and lo and behold it has. Now if CYC reject this application, Monks Cross will appeal and the Oakgate decision is a precedent.

No one to blame but the CYC councillors on the planning committee. Utter fools.....
The councillors were warned it would happen when permitting the Oakgate development against planning policy, and lo and behold it has. Now if CYC reject this application, Monks Cross will appeal and the Oakgate decision is a precedent. No one to blame but the CYC councillors on the planning committee. Utter fools..... BioLogic
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1:39pm Mon 25 Feb 13

speaks99 says...

BioLogic wrote:
The councillors were warned it would happen when permitting the Oakgate development against planning policy, and lo and behold it has. Now if CYC reject this application, Monks Cross will appeal and the Oakgate decision is a precedent.

No one to blame but the CYC councillors on the planning committee. Utter fools.....
You mean, like the mezzanines were appealed on the same basis?
[quote][p][bold]BioLogic[/bold] wrote: The councillors were warned it would happen when permitting the Oakgate development against planning policy, and lo and behold it has. Now if CYC reject this application, Monks Cross will appeal and the Oakgate decision is a precedent. No one to blame but the CYC councillors on the planning committee. Utter fools.....[/p][/quote]You mean, like the mezzanines were appealed on the same basis? speaks99
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1:41pm Mon 25 Feb 13

TerryYork says...

The Great Buda wrote:
This is truely the end for the city centre.

#prayforYorkCityCent

re
Utter nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: This is truely the end for the city centre. #prayforYorkCityCent re[/p][/quote]Utter nonsense. TerryYork
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1:49pm Mon 25 Feb 13

ymugmike says...

I see that the Sony Centre has already closed in Church Street, before all this new work has started.
I see that the Sony Centre has already closed in Church Street, before all this new work has started. ymugmike
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2:09pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Have to make a comment says...

Yes, Sony centre GONE, Raynors Opticians (Been in York donkeys years) GONE, Jessops GONE, HMV and REPUBLIC how long left?

Very sad to lose these retailers. Who next?
Yes, Sony centre GONE, Raynors Opticians (Been in York donkeys years) GONE, Jessops GONE, HMV and REPUBLIC how long left? Very sad to lose these retailers. Who next? Have to make a comment
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2:12pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

So glad that Alexander has not claimed credit for this.

Who needs his ridiculous Get York Building ideas, which are only interested in looking after the social housing sector, and stopping private housebuilding with unworkable affordable housing targets.
So glad that Alexander has not claimed credit for this. Who needs his ridiculous Get York Building ideas, which are only interested in looking after the social housing sector, and stopping private housebuilding with unworkable affordable housing targets. Scarlet Pimpernel
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2:23pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Sillybillies says...

Bet the price of newts on the open market has just gone through the roof!
Bet the price of newts on the open market has just gone through the roof! Sillybillies
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2:29pm Mon 25 Feb 13

meme says...

Shopping centres have to evolve to compete
CoYC have no grounds to refuse this change due to granting MXS planning so it will happen but its better it trades well rather than empties.
I suspect these changes would have taken place regardless on MXS decison which has just hastened the process.
MX is now a major retail destination in its own right..Look how busy it is at weekends so someone is doing something right and you cannot blame the owners for making sure it stays attractive but you can blame our insane politicians for allowing MXS planning against all their planning policies to save York City FC and saddle us with a financial white elephant instead.
By the way I have nothing against YC FC its just that its a private business and should stand on its own two feet and not rely on our money ie £4 million to date confirmed for survival and a home.
Pleas dont erespond ardent YCFC suporters by saying its a community stadium as it patently is not..
Shopping centres have to evolve to compete CoYC have no grounds to refuse this change due to granting MXS planning so it will happen but its better it trades well rather than empties. I suspect these changes would have taken place regardless on MXS decison which has just hastened the process. MX is now a major retail destination in its own right..Look how busy it is at weekends so someone is doing something right and you cannot blame the owners for making sure it stays attractive but you can blame our insane politicians for allowing MXS planning against all their planning policies to save York City FC and saddle us with a financial white elephant instead. By the way I have nothing against YC FC its just that its a private business and should stand on its own two feet and not rely on our money ie £4 million to date confirmed for survival and a home. Pleas dont erespond ardent YCFC suporters by saying its a community stadium as it patently is not.. meme
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3:48pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Alexander 'bought' the votes of YCFC fans with the £4m of tax payers money used by the council to subsidise the bail out of the private McGill majority-owned club, but how many votes did he lose Labour with this transparent decision ?
Alexander 'bought' the votes of YCFC fans with the £4m of tax payers money used by the council to subsidise the bail out of the private McGill majority-owned club, but how many votes did he lose Labour with this transparent decision ? Scarlet Pimpernel
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4:37pm Mon 25 Feb 13

dctyke says...

Lets face it, york city centre is only really interested in the tourists. I hate having to go in these days so out of town works for me.
Lets face it, york city centre is only really interested in the tourists. I hate having to go in these days so out of town works for me. dctyke
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5:19pm Mon 25 Feb 13

neutral observer 2 says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
So glad that Alexander has not claimed credit for this.

Who needs his ridiculous Get York Building ideas, which are only interested in looking after the social housing sector, and stopping private housebuilding with unworkable affordable housing targets.
Easier access for wasters from Strensall.
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: So glad that Alexander has not claimed credit for this. Who needs his ridiculous Get York Building ideas, which are only interested in looking after the social housing sector, and stopping private housebuilding with unworkable affordable housing targets.[/p][/quote]Easier access for wasters from Strensall. neutral observer 2
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5:21pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Garrowby Turnoff says...

Have to make a comment wrote:
Yes, Sony centre GONE, Raynors Opticians (Been in York donkeys years) GONE, Jessops GONE, HMV and REPUBLIC how long left?

Very sad to lose these retailers. Who next?
None of these retail shops have appeared at Monks Cross or Clifton Moor though. They closed because of nationwide tough trading conditions, not because they were in York city centre.

Every city has out-of-town shopping now. But York, unlike everywhere else, has a ring road incapable of handling the traffic between the two out-of-town sites!
[quote][p][bold]Have to make a comment[/bold] wrote: Yes, Sony centre GONE, Raynors Opticians (Been in York donkeys years) GONE, Jessops GONE, HMV and REPUBLIC how long left? Very sad to lose these retailers. Who next?[/p][/quote]None of these retail shops have appeared at Monks Cross or Clifton Moor though. They closed because of nationwide tough trading conditions, not because they were in York city centre. Every city has out-of-town shopping now. But York, unlike everywhere else, has a ring road incapable of handling the traffic between the two out-of-town sites! Garrowby Turnoff
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5:23pm Mon 25 Feb 13

neutral observer 2 says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Alexander 'bought' the votes of YCFC fans with the £4m of tax payers money used by the council to subsidise the bail out of the private McGill majority-owned club, but how many votes did he lose Labour with this transparent decision ?
Pretty cheap compared to the Tories then and their tax cut for the richest.
Last i saw the Labour majority for York Central was bigger than 2500 and i do believe that Leeds Tory for outer York supports it.
Try UKIPs coat tails, they take in any obsessive nutter i hear.
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: Alexander 'bought' the votes of YCFC fans with the £4m of tax payers money used by the council to subsidise the bail out of the private McGill majority-owned club, but how many votes did he lose Labour with this transparent decision ?[/p][/quote]Pretty cheap compared to the Tories then and their tax cut for the richest. Last i saw the Labour majority for York Central was bigger than 2500 and i do believe that Leeds Tory for outer York supports it. Try UKIPs coat tails, they take in any obsessive nutter i hear. neutral observer 2
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5:40pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Keepthewheelsturning says...

Clothing retailer wanting 70,000 sq feet? Only 1 I can think of. That really would be the death of the centre.
Clothing retailer wanting 70,000 sq feet? Only 1 I can think of. That really would be the death of the centre. Keepthewheelsturning
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5:49pm Mon 25 Feb 13

pedalling paul says...

Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
Have to make a comment wrote:
Yes, Sony centre GONE, Raynors Opticians (Been in York donkeys years) GONE, Jessops GONE, HMV and REPUBLIC how long left?

Very sad to lose these retailers. Who next?
None of these retail shops have appeared at Monks Cross or Clifton Moor though. They closed because of nationwide tough trading conditions, not because they were in York city centre.

Every city has out-of-town shopping now. But York, unlike everywhere else, has a ring road incapable of handling the traffic between the two out-of-town sites!
Car dependant developments will ultimately go the way of the dinosaur....
[quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Have to make a comment[/bold] wrote: Yes, Sony centre GONE, Raynors Opticians (Been in York donkeys years) GONE, Jessops GONE, HMV and REPUBLIC how long left? Very sad to lose these retailers. Who next?[/p][/quote]None of these retail shops have appeared at Monks Cross or Clifton Moor though. They closed because of nationwide tough trading conditions, not because they were in York city centre. Every city has out-of-town shopping now. But York, unlike everywhere else, has a ring road incapable of handling the traffic between the two out-of-town sites![/p][/quote]Car dependant developments will ultimately go the way of the dinosaur.... pedalling paul
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6:05pm Mon 25 Feb 13

JHardacre says...

goreds wrote:
Why not accomodate MS and JLewis in these 2 'new' units, knock Oakgate on the head and give surplus money to renovate Bootham Crescent for fotball and rugby ?
Oakgate will split Monks Cross and lead to less shoppers between the 2 sites not to mention the extra travelling for fotball fans.
Hardly big enough for a proper JL or M&S. If you actually shopped in either of these stores then you would know that.

BTW what is fotball?
[quote][p][bold]goreds[/bold] wrote: Why not accomodate MS and JLewis in these 2 'new' units, knock Oakgate on the head and give surplus money to renovate Bootham Crescent for fotball and rugby ? Oakgate will split Monks Cross and lead to less shoppers between the 2 sites not to mention the extra travelling for fotball fans.[/p][/quote]Hardly big enough for a proper JL or M&S. If you actually shopped in either of these stores then you would know that. BTW what is fotball? JHardacre
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7:28pm Mon 25 Feb 13

York Shire says...

The ring road needs sorting to cope with the traffic. Julian Sturdy had this as one of his election pledges....
The ring road needs sorting to cope with the traffic. Julian Sturdy had this as one of his election pledges.... York Shire
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7:37pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Even AndyD says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Alexander 'bought' the votes of YCFC fans with the £4m of tax payers money used by the council to subsidise the bail out of the private McGill majority-owned club, but how many votes did he lose Labour with this transparent decision ?
Makes a change this point of view. Normally we hear YCFC fans are a tiny minority. So on that logic, wouldn't it be stupid to alienate the majority of voters for us few thousand? Cannot have it both ways squire!

As for Alexander buying votes, wasn't the plan originally brought in under the Lib Dems?

Finally - bail outs for private companies?? You mean like te £1.5 trillion used to bail out the banks? Or the £billions Amazon and the like don't pay in tax?
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: Alexander 'bought' the votes of YCFC fans with the £4m of tax payers money used by the council to subsidise the bail out of the private McGill majority-owned club, but how many votes did he lose Labour with this transparent decision ?[/p][/quote]Makes a change this point of view. Normally we hear YCFC fans are a tiny minority. So on that logic, wouldn't it be stupid to alienate the majority of voters for us few thousand? Cannot have it both ways squire! As for Alexander buying votes, wasn't the plan originally brought in under the Lib Dems? Finally - bail outs for private companies?? You mean like te £1.5 trillion used to bail out the banks? Or the £billions Amazon and the like don't pay in tax? Even AndyD
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7:41pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Even AndyD says...

As for the city centre, it is a tough one. With the advent of internet shopping the city-centre retail blueprint looks sadly outdated. But lets not say centres will die, they will evolve, just as they have done many times before.

Monks Cross hasn't killed off Woolworths, or Jessops, or HMV etc etc. This is a nationwide phenomena and like I say, centres will need to evolve. You can try to block Monks X but buyers will do as they please - go to Leeds or Meadowhall instead of York for a start. Stemming progress is not the answer..
As for the city centre, it is a tough one. With the advent of internet shopping the city-centre retail blueprint looks sadly outdated. But lets not say centres will die, they will evolve, just as they have done many times before. Monks Cross hasn't killed off Woolworths, or Jessops, or HMV etc etc. This is a nationwide phenomena and like I say, centres will need to evolve. You can try to block Monks X but buyers will do as they please - go to Leeds or Meadowhall instead of York for a start. Stemming progress is not the answer.. Even AndyD
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7:46pm Mon 25 Feb 13

ouseswimmer says...

ymugmike wrote:
I see that the Sony Centre has already closed in Church Street, before all this new work has started.
Also RAW on Feasegate, Kannoo travel on Stonegate and Creative glass in Swinegate. More to come I fear.
[quote][p][bold]ymugmike[/bold] wrote: I see that the Sony Centre has already closed in Church Street, before all this new work has started.[/p][/quote]Also RAW on Feasegate, Kannoo travel on Stonegate and Creative glass in Swinegate. More to come I fear. ouseswimmer
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8:02pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Ageing Hippy says...

neutral observer 2 wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
So glad that Alexander has not claimed credit for this.

Who needs his ridiculous Get York Building ideas, which are only interested in looking after the social housing sector, and stopping private housebuilding with unworkable affordable housing targets.
Easier access for wasters from Strensall.
Wasters from Strensall???? I know a few people from that village and they appear to be fine upstanding citizens! have you had a different experience or are you just one of those troll things??
[quote][p][bold]neutral observer 2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: So glad that Alexander has not claimed credit for this. Who needs his ridiculous Get York Building ideas, which are only interested in looking after the social housing sector, and stopping private housebuilding with unworkable affordable housing targets.[/p][/quote]Easier access for wasters from Strensall.[/p][/quote]Wasters from Strensall???? I know a few people from that village and they appear to be fine upstanding citizens! have you had a different experience or are you just one of those troll things?? Ageing Hippy
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8:39pm Mon 25 Feb 13

directdebbie says...

Great news, hate going into york shopping its so much more pleasant shopping at monks cross. Cant wait for it to all open. Happy shopping !!!
Great news, hate going into york shopping its so much more pleasant shopping at monks cross. Cant wait for it to all open. Happy shopping !!! directdebbie
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8:43pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Sillybillies says...

Car dependant developments will ultimately go the way of the dinosaur....

The pedal cycling brigade have just about got there already, a dying breed from the distant past
[quote]Car dependant developments will ultimately go the way of the dinosaur....[/quote] The pedal cycling brigade have just about got there already, a dying breed from the distant past Sillybillies
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9:17pm Mon 25 Feb 13

lezyork1966 says...

Best thing to happen for york, get the stupid mega stores out of the city and get some smaller olde worlde shops in that the tourists come to see, the tourists never came to see hmv/jessops which have gone NOT because of outside shopping, the tourists come to see browns/bettys etc which will never move out to the retail parks.

this is a good thing and can be taken advantage of, with the right mind set.
Best thing to happen for york, get the stupid mega stores out of the city and get some smaller olde worlde shops in that the tourists come to see, the tourists never came to see hmv/jessops which have gone NOT because of outside shopping, the tourists come to see browns/bettys etc which will never move out to the retail parks. this is a good thing and can be taken advantage of, with the right mind set. lezyork1966
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9:30pm Mon 25 Feb 13

neutral observer 2 says...

Ageing Hippy wrote:
neutral observer 2 wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
So glad that Alexander has not claimed credit for this.

Who needs his ridiculous Get York Building ideas, which are only interested in looking after the social housing sector, and stopping private housebuilding with unworkable affordable housing targets.
Easier access for wasters from Strensall.
Wasters from Strensall???? I know a few people from that village and they appear to be fine upstanding citizens! have you had a different experience or are you just one of those troll things??
It was more specific than a generalisation.
Something SP likes to do on every attack of anything positive relating to council actions.
Clearly failing on this occasion as Duffy points out.
[quote][p][bold]Ageing Hippy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neutral observer 2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: So glad that Alexander has not claimed credit for this. Who needs his ridiculous Get York Building ideas, which are only interested in looking after the social housing sector, and stopping private housebuilding with unworkable affordable housing targets.[/p][/quote]Easier access for wasters from Strensall.[/p][/quote]Wasters from Strensall???? I know a few people from that village and they appear to be fine upstanding citizens! have you had a different experience or are you just one of those troll things??[/p][/quote]It was more specific than a generalisation. Something SP likes to do on every attack of anything positive relating to council actions. Clearly failing on this occasion as Duffy points out. neutral observer 2
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10:01pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Even AndyD wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Alexander 'bought' the votes of YCFC fans with the £4m of tax payers money used by the council to subsidise the bail out of the private McGill majority-owned club, but how many votes did he lose Labour with this transparent decision ?
Makes a change this point of view. Normally we hear YCFC fans are a tiny minority. So on that logic, wouldn't it be stupid to alienate the majority of voters for us few thousand? Cannot have it both ways squire!

As for Alexander buying votes, wasn't the plan originally brought in under the Lib Dems?

Finally - bail outs for private companies?? You mean like te £1.5 trillion used to bail out the banks? Or the £billions Amazon and the like don't pay in tax?
The Lib-Dems didn't push it through planning with a cut and shut planning report, though, did they ?

The banks are a bit more important than YCFC.

Amazon don't pay their taxes so that's an acceptable excuse for CYC wasting our money ?
[quote][p][bold]Even AndyD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: Alexander 'bought' the votes of YCFC fans with the £4m of tax payers money used by the council to subsidise the bail out of the private McGill majority-owned club, but how many votes did he lose Labour with this transparent decision ?[/p][/quote]Makes a change this point of view. Normally we hear YCFC fans are a tiny minority. So on that logic, wouldn't it be stupid to alienate the majority of voters for us few thousand? Cannot have it both ways squire! As for Alexander buying votes, wasn't the plan originally brought in under the Lib Dems? Finally - bail outs for private companies?? You mean like te £1.5 trillion used to bail out the banks? Or the £billions Amazon and the like don't pay in tax?[/p][/quote]The Lib-Dems didn't push it through planning with a cut and shut planning report, though, did they ? The banks are a bit more important than YCFC. Amazon don't pay their taxes so that's an acceptable excuse for CYC wasting our money ? Scarlet Pimpernel
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10:01pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Even AndyD wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Alexander 'bought' the votes of YCFC fans with the £4m of tax payers money used by the council to subsidise the bail out of the private McGill majority-owned club, but how many votes did he lose Labour with this transparent decision ?
Makes a change this point of view. Normally we hear YCFC fans are a tiny minority. So on that logic, wouldn't it be stupid to alienate the majority of voters for us few thousand? Cannot have it both ways squire!

As for Alexander buying votes, wasn't the plan originally brought in under the Lib Dems?

Finally - bail outs for private companies?? You mean like te £1.5 trillion used to bail out the banks? Or the £billions Amazon and the like don't pay in tax?
The Lib-Dems didn't push it through planning with a cut and shut planning report, though, did they ?

The banks are a bit more important than YCFC.

Amazon don't pay their taxes so that's an acceptable excuse for CYC wasting our money ?
[quote][p][bold]Even AndyD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: Alexander 'bought' the votes of YCFC fans with the £4m of tax payers money used by the council to subsidise the bail out of the private McGill majority-owned club, but how many votes did he lose Labour with this transparent decision ?[/p][/quote]Makes a change this point of view. Normally we hear YCFC fans are a tiny minority. So on that logic, wouldn't it be stupid to alienate the majority of voters for us few thousand? Cannot have it both ways squire! As for Alexander buying votes, wasn't the plan originally brought in under the Lib Dems? Finally - bail outs for private companies?? You mean like te £1.5 trillion used to bail out the banks? Or the £billions Amazon and the like don't pay in tax?[/p][/quote]The Lib-Dems didn't push it through planning with a cut and shut planning report, though, did they ? The banks are a bit more important than YCFC. Amazon don't pay their taxes so that's an acceptable excuse for CYC wasting our money ? Scarlet Pimpernel
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10:16pm Mon 25 Feb 13

pedalling paul says...

Sillybillies wrote:
Car dependant developments will ultimately go the way of the dinosaur....

The pedal cycling brigade have just about got there already, a dying breed from the distant past
So why is it that in mainland European cities some 10% of retail journeys are made by bike, compared to a measly 2% in this country?

Separately,does the absence of an LDF prevent CYC Planners from resisting more car dependant developments of this type?
[quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote]Car dependant developments will ultimately go the way of the dinosaur....[/quote] The pedal cycling brigade have just about got there already, a dying breed from the distant past[/p][/quote]So why is it that in mainland European cities some 10% of retail journeys are made by bike, compared to a measly 2% in this country? Separately,does the absence of an LDF prevent CYC Planners from resisting more car dependant developments of this type? pedalling paul
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10:18pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Even AndyD says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Even AndyD wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Alexander 'bought' the votes of YCFC fans with the £4m of tax payers money used by the council to subsidise the bail out of the private McGill majority-owned club, but how many votes did he lose Labour with this transparent decision ?
Makes a change this point of view. Normally we hear YCFC fans are a tiny minority. So on that logic, wouldn't it be stupid to alienate the majority of voters for us few thousand? Cannot have it both ways squire!

As for Alexander buying votes, wasn't the plan originally brought in under the Lib Dems?

Finally - bail outs for private companies?? You mean like te £1.5 trillion used to bail out the banks? Or the £billions Amazon and the like don't pay in tax?
The Lib-Dems didn't push it through planning with a cut and shut planning report, though, did they ?

The banks are a bit more important than YCFC.

Amazon don't pay their taxes so that's an acceptable excuse for CYC wasting our money ?
Whoa horsey. You brought up the sin of paying public money to private business not me. I just pointed out that its hardly unheard of. £1.5trillion unheard of!

LibDems committed to the stadium project, got it off the ground, spent money on it. I'm sure they would have seen it through too. Or are you saying they'd have u-turned and had people howling about 'waste of money'.

Why is money being wasted on a Community Stadium? Your opinion that it is wasted but not universal - you don't speak for us all. I'd say an asset worth about £17m achieved for £4m is a good idea. Better than borrowing £37m for new council offices. Housing all staff in luxury when surely back office staff could have been accommodated more cheaply out of town.

Look - nothing in life is perfect, but I'd say the MX and stadium project is an attempt to provide this city with sporting and retail facilities enjoyed by other towns and cities across the country for years. Many in places which are smaller than York. Population of pushing 200,000 deserved better facilities.

Just my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Even AndyD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: Alexander 'bought' the votes of YCFC fans with the £4m of tax payers money used by the council to subsidise the bail out of the private McGill majority-owned club, but how many votes did he lose Labour with this transparent decision ?[/p][/quote]Makes a change this point of view. Normally we hear YCFC fans are a tiny minority. So on that logic, wouldn't it be stupid to alienate the majority of voters for us few thousand? Cannot have it both ways squire! As for Alexander buying votes, wasn't the plan originally brought in under the Lib Dems? Finally - bail outs for private companies?? You mean like te £1.5 trillion used to bail out the banks? Or the £billions Amazon and the like don't pay in tax?[/p][/quote]The Lib-Dems didn't push it through planning with a cut and shut planning report, though, did they ? The banks are a bit more important than YCFC. Amazon don't pay their taxes so that's an acceptable excuse for CYC wasting our money ?[/p][/quote]Whoa horsey. You brought up the sin of paying public money to private business not me. I just pointed out that its hardly unheard of. £1.5trillion unheard of! LibDems committed to the stadium project, got it off the ground, spent money on it. I'm sure they would have seen it through too. Or are you saying they'd have u-turned and had people howling about 'waste of money'. Why is money being wasted on a Community Stadium? Your opinion that it is wasted but not universal - you don't speak for us all. I'd say an asset worth about £17m achieved for £4m is a good idea. Better than borrowing £37m for new council offices. Housing all staff in luxury when surely back office staff could have been accommodated more cheaply out of town. Look - nothing in life is perfect, but I'd say the MX and stadium project is an attempt to provide this city with sporting and retail facilities enjoyed by other towns and cities across the country for years. Many in places which are smaller than York. Population of pushing 200,000 deserved better facilities. Just my opinion. Even AndyD
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10:28pm Mon 25 Feb 13

strensall red says...

neutral observer 2 wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
So glad that Alexander has not claimed credit for this.

Who needs his ridiculous Get York Building ideas, which are only interested in looking after the social housing sector, and stopping private housebuilding with unworkable affordable housing targets.
Easier access for wasters from Strensall.
twit
[quote][p][bold]neutral observer 2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: So glad that Alexander has not claimed credit for this. Who needs his ridiculous Get York Building ideas, which are only interested in looking after the social housing sector, and stopping private housebuilding with unworkable affordable housing targets.[/p][/quote]Easier access for wasters from Strensall.[/p][/quote]twit strensall red
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11:29pm Mon 25 Feb 13

bob the builder says...

Have to make a comment wrote:
Yes, Sony centre GONE, Raynors Opticians (Been in York donkeys years) GONE, Jessops GONE, HMV and REPUBLIC how long left?

Very sad to lose these retailers. Who next?
All overpriced compared to competitors, failed to keep up with changes in retailing, and were the architects of their own demise. M&S appeal to a faithfull unwavering older shopper so I can't see them failing (unless they do something stupid like try to anticipate fashion or leave the city centre). WH Smith is the one I'd bet on going down next, it's like a jumble sale and past it's sell by date (coincidentally Next is similar, cheap piled high imported clothing).
[quote][p][bold]Have to make a comment[/bold] wrote: Yes, Sony centre GONE, Raynors Opticians (Been in York donkeys years) GONE, Jessops GONE, HMV and REPUBLIC how long left? Very sad to lose these retailers. Who next?[/p][/quote]All overpriced compared to competitors, failed to keep up with changes in retailing, and were the architects of their own demise. M&S appeal to a faithfull unwavering older shopper so I can't see them failing (unless they do something stupid like try to anticipate fashion or leave the city centre). WH Smith is the one I'd bet on going down next, it's like a jumble sale and past it's sell by date (coincidentally Next is similar, cheap piled high imported clothing). bob the builder
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3:18am Tue 26 Feb 13

Magicman! says...

Keepthewheelsturning wrote:
Clothing retailer wanting 70,000 sq feet? Only 1 I can think of. That really would be the death of the centre.
Hmmm, maybe, but it'd still be smaller than their Manchester store and possibly smaller than their Leeds store.


I don't suppose this 'upgrade' for Monks Cross includes rebuilding the bus lane that has been shut for three years or to put up signs so pedestrians know not to walk along the cycle lane? No, didn't think so.

Also, if Monks Cross is so popular why is it that the main bus service that goes there from the city centre that actually serves any areas of housing finishes at 5pm whilst Clifton Moor's equivalent bus service runs on until nearly midnight??
[quote][p][bold]Keepthewheelsturning[/bold] wrote: Clothing retailer wanting 70,000 sq feet? Only 1 I can think of. That really would be the death of the centre.[/p][/quote]Hmmm, maybe, but it'd still be smaller than their Manchester store and possibly smaller than their Leeds store. I don't suppose this 'upgrade' for Monks Cross includes rebuilding the bus lane that has been shut for three years or to put up signs so pedestrians know not to walk along the cycle lane? No, didn't think so. Also, if Monks Cross is so popular why is it that the main bus service that goes there from the city centre that actually serves any areas of housing finishes at 5pm whilst Clifton Moor's equivalent bus service runs on until nearly midnight?? Magicman!
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7:17am Tue 26 Feb 13

Even AndyD says...

Pushing aside the old arguments for a moment. Is there any planned management re the city centre. Nobody argues that the internet has been and will continue to be a huge high street game changer. Very few argue that out of town shopping is here to stay and very popular among residents (car is king whether you like it or not).

Given all that, is there a plan to manage York centre through this transition? Yes, tourism makes us somewhat unique, but is that enough? Should we be looking to bringing more niche traders in with the carrot of lower rents?

I don't pretend to be an expert, I'm just interested. Have watch the city centre essentially thrive (despite gloom mongers every decade saying otherwise) for the last 40 yrs and I'd like to think someone has his/her eye on that continuing rather than just wing and a prayer.
Pushing aside the old arguments for a moment. Is there any planned management re the city centre. Nobody argues that the internet has been and will continue to be a huge high street game changer. Very few argue that out of town shopping is here to stay and very popular among residents (car is king whether you like it or not). Given all that, is there a plan to manage York centre through this transition? Yes, tourism makes us somewhat unique, but is that enough? Should we be looking to bringing more niche traders in with the carrot of lower rents? I don't pretend to be an expert, I'm just interested. Have watch the city centre essentially thrive (despite gloom mongers every decade saying otherwise) for the last 40 yrs and I'd like to think someone has his/her eye on that continuing rather than just wing and a prayer. Even AndyD
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9:22am Tue 26 Feb 13

dsom73 says...

I'm very happy with this idea due to the obvious and immensely benificial knock on effects it is bound to have...

The ring road will HAVE to be upgraded to accomodate. It won't happen instantly, but it will happen. It will probably only change between MonksX and Clifton moor, or at least the A64 and MonksX, but that's better than nothing.

New jobs for loads of people = money for loads of people = happier people in the City = nicer place to live for everyone.

But best of all, loads of councillors will each get a new Yacht so they will have zero excuse for not f***ing right off.
I'm very happy with this idea due to the obvious and immensely benificial knock on effects it is bound to have... The ring road will HAVE to be upgraded to accomodate. It won't happen instantly, but it will happen. It will probably only change between MonksX and Clifton moor, or at least the A64 and MonksX, but that's better than nothing. New jobs for loads of people = money for loads of people = happier people in the City = nicer place to live for everyone. But best of all, loads of councillors will each get a new Yacht so they will have zero excuse for not f***ing right off. dsom73
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11:49am Tue 26 Feb 13

meme says...

we always see accusations of the Councillors getting brown envelopes on here..That is not something I am aware of or indeed suspect.
There have been rumours of suspect officers but without substantiation at all so they are not relevant.
In my view councillors are motivated by the chance of getting votes and staying in power and will do anything to get these votes sometimes to yorks detriment whilst officers are leant on heavily by very politicised members and have to do what they say if they want to keep/progress in their jobs.
All independence appears to have gone...Scarlet Pimp and their servants want them to say...Much of what we base future decisions on is totally politically motivated to the detriment of us all.
Democracy has collapsed in CoYC and we are all suffering for it..God kniows how its resolved but its time for a new bunch with a new approach to step in, remove the politics and make decisions for York, not themselves
we always see accusations of the Councillors getting brown envelopes on here..That is not something I am aware of or indeed suspect. There have been rumours of suspect officers but without substantiation at all so they are not relevant. In my view councillors are motivated by the chance of getting votes and staying in power and will do anything to get these votes sometimes to yorks detriment whilst officers are leant on heavily by very politicised members and have to do what they say if they want to keep/progress in their jobs. All independence appears to have gone...Scarlet Pimp[ernell may hark on about this but he has a strong point...Reports and so called consultations are rigged to say what the political masters [Members] and their servants [the officers] want them to say...Much of what we base future decisions on is totally politically motivated to the detriment of us all. Democracy has collapsed in CoYC and we are all suffering for it..God kniows how its resolved but its time for a new bunch with a new approach to step in, remove the politics and make decisions for York, not themselves meme
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12:32pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Have to make a comment says...

Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
Have to make a comment wrote:
Yes, Sony centre GONE, Raynors Opticians (Been in York donkeys years) GONE, Jessops GONE, HMV and REPUBLIC how long left?

Very sad to lose these retailers. Who next?
None of these retail shops have appeared at Monks Cross or Clifton Moor though. They closed because of nationwide tough trading conditions, not because they were in York city centre.

Every city has out-of-town shopping now. But York, unlike everywhere else, has a ring road incapable of handling the traffic between the two out-of-town sites!
What I'm getting at is, yes these retailers have gone partly through their own fault BUT the council is giving the go ahead for more out of town shops when already there are plenty of empty shops in town. I know its more convenient to park out of town but we need to encourage local shoppers back in to town not encourage them to leave.
[quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Have to make a comment[/bold] wrote: Yes, Sony centre GONE, Raynors Opticians (Been in York donkeys years) GONE, Jessops GONE, HMV and REPUBLIC how long left? Very sad to lose these retailers. Who next?[/p][/quote]None of these retail shops have appeared at Monks Cross or Clifton Moor though. They closed because of nationwide tough trading conditions, not because they were in York city centre. Every city has out-of-town shopping now. But York, unlike everywhere else, has a ring road incapable of handling the traffic between the two out-of-town sites![/p][/quote]What I'm getting at is, yes these retailers have gone partly through their own fault BUT the council is giving the go ahead for more out of town shops when already there are plenty of empty shops in town. I know its more convenient to park out of town but we need to encourage local shoppers back in to town not encourage them to leave. Have to make a comment
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4:11pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Mr Trellis says...

£25million and CYC are spending only 200k for the whole city refurbishment.
£25million and CYC are spending only 200k for the whole city refurbishment. Mr Trellis
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4:11pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Mr Trellis says...

£25million and CYC are spending only 200k for the whole city refurbishment.
£25million and CYC are spending only 200k for the whole city refurbishment. Mr Trellis
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4:58pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Arblaster says...

Sillybillies wrote:
Car dependant developments will ultimately go the way of the dinosaur....

The pedal cycling brigade have just about got there already, a dying breed from the distant past
A dying breed?Cycling?
How strange, therefore, that one of the growth areas in York retail appears to be in cycle shops; small independent shops, moreover, within the confines of York and not lurking empty around shopping ghettoes like Monks Cross.
[quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote]Car dependant developments will ultimately go the way of the dinosaur....[/quote] The pedal cycling brigade have just about got there already, a dying breed from the distant past[/p][/quote]A dying breed?Cycling? How strange, therefore, that one of the growth areas in York retail appears to be in cycle shops; small independent shops, moreover, within the confines of York and not lurking empty around shopping ghettoes like Monks Cross. Arblaster
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5:57pm Tue 26 Feb 13

jimmy120883 says...

Mr Trellis wrote:
£25million and CYC are spending only 200k for the whole city refurbishment.
£25million from private developer=MX
200k from tax payer=CC

If the CYC spent £Xmillions of taxpayers money on the city center there would still be plenty of nimbys complaining. Thats what holds this City back is all the Nimbys that like to complain over every little thing.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Trellis[/bold] wrote: £25million and CYC are spending only 200k for the whole city refurbishment.[/p][/quote]£25million from private developer=MX 200k from tax payer=CC If the CYC spent £Xmillions of taxpayers money on the city center there would still be plenty of nimbys complaining. Thats what holds this City back is all the Nimbys that like to complain over every little thing. jimmy120883
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7:07pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Mr John says...

If you want shops - go waste your money in Leeds.

York needs real jobs not low paid jobs for shop assistants.
If you want shops - go waste your money in Leeds. York needs real jobs not low paid jobs for shop assistants. Mr John
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11:42pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Magicman! says...

Have to make a comment wrote:
Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
Have to make a comment wrote:
Yes, Sony centre GONE, Raynors Opticians (Been in York donkeys years) GONE, Jessops GONE, HMV and REPUBLIC how long left?

Very sad to lose these retailers. Who next?
None of these retail shops have appeared at Monks Cross or Clifton Moor though. They closed because of nationwide tough trading conditions, not because they were in York city centre.

Every city has out-of-town shopping now. But York, unlike everywhere else, has a ring road incapable of handling the traffic between the two out-of-town sites!
What I'm getting at is, yes these retailers have gone partly through their own fault BUT the council is giving the go ahead for more out of town shops when already there are plenty of empty shops in town. I know its more convenient to park out of town but we need to encourage local shoppers back in to town not encourage them to leave.
Then in that case you have to ask WHY are companies locating into these premises when there are empty shops in the city centre... could it be rates/rent? property size? availability of patronage?
[quote][p][bold]Have to make a comment[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Have to make a comment[/bold] wrote: Yes, Sony centre GONE, Raynors Opticians (Been in York donkeys years) GONE, Jessops GONE, HMV and REPUBLIC how long left? Very sad to lose these retailers. Who next?[/p][/quote]None of these retail shops have appeared at Monks Cross or Clifton Moor though. They closed because of nationwide tough trading conditions, not because they were in York city centre. Every city has out-of-town shopping now. But York, unlike everywhere else, has a ring road incapable of handling the traffic between the two out-of-town sites![/p][/quote]What I'm getting at is, yes these retailers have gone partly through their own fault BUT the council is giving the go ahead for more out of town shops when already there are plenty of empty shops in town. I know its more convenient to park out of town but we need to encourage local shoppers back in to town not encourage them to leave.[/p][/quote]Then in that case you have to ask WHY are companies locating into these premises when there are empty shops in the city centre... could it be rates/rent? property size? availability of patronage? Magicman!
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11:46pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Magicman! says...

Mr John wrote:
If you want shops - go waste your money in Leeds.

York needs real jobs not low paid jobs for shop assistants.
As much as I agree with that, the fact is we have to go for what we can get.

Yes by rights we should be trying to get proper jobs like manufacturing back into the city, but when the multinational companies that own what we see as 'british' brands know they can outsource labour cheaper to other countries, why would they invest here where they'd have to pay more wages and take out liability insurance? Even if the EU imposed rules that in all EU countries employers had to pay their staff the same as they would in England and had to take out insurance, the companies would move their main workforce base to africa or somewhere really cheap and full of people they can exploit.
[quote][p][bold]Mr John[/bold] wrote: If you want shops - go waste your money in Leeds. York needs real jobs not low paid jobs for shop assistants.[/p][/quote]As much as I agree with that, the fact is we have to go for what we can get. Yes by rights we should be trying to get proper jobs like manufacturing back into the city, but when the multinational companies that own what we see as 'british' brands know they can outsource labour cheaper to other countries, why would they invest here where they'd have to pay more wages and take out liability insurance? Even if the EU imposed rules that in all EU countries employers had to pay their staff the same as they would in England and had to take out insurance, the companies would move their main workforce base to africa or somewhere really cheap and full of people they can exploit. Magicman!
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9:02pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Realistic ycfc says...

I wonder if these new shops include the likes of poundland, peacocks etc
I wonder if these new shops include the likes of poundland, peacocks etc Realistic ycfc
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2:55am Fri 1 Mar 13

Magicman! says...

Poundland is already there... and as far as I know, peacocks went into administration because their products were cr@p. Simple point to note about the current economic climate: shops selling products cheap like Primark and Poundland are doing well, shops selling more costly good like Republic are not.
Poundland is already there... and as far as I know, peacocks went into administration because their products were cr@p. Simple point to note about the current economic climate: shops selling products cheap like Primark and Poundland are doing well, shops selling more costly good like Republic are not. Magicman!
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10:50am Sat 2 Mar 13

queenselphie says...

Would actually really like the larger site to be a Primark. I know many people are not keen, but I currently take my money to Harrogate or Leeds because there isn't a primark in York. For some of us on lower incomes we can only afford primark and charity shops for clothes. I already shop at MX for stores like Hobbycraft, but I still do plenty of shopping in the town center too, at the charity shops and independent stores.
Would actually really like the larger site to be a Primark. I know many people are not keen, but I currently take my money to Harrogate or Leeds because there isn't a primark in York. For some of us on lower incomes we can only afford primark and charity shops for clothes. I already shop at MX for stores like Hobbycraft, but I still do plenty of shopping in the town center too, at the charity shops and independent stores. queenselphie
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