Council video campaign highlights benefits of leaving car at home (From York Press)

bob the builder wrote:
There isn't one carrying a toolbox in one hand in the pouring rain and gusting wind with a shovel and a pick in the other. Just a load of smartly dressed persons with bags containing a sandwich on their way to their centrally heated offices in HQ, where they will be seated comfortably on their new chairs, at shiny desks, fielding complaints from the tax payer about why York has: no libraries, no bin collections, slippery pavements, litter, no care for the elderly, defective council housing, empty shops, wasteland sites, no new private housing being built, no industry, no bus station, low employment, homelessness, beggars, alcohol abuse and drug taking on the streets and all other manner of social ills caused by a Labour run council wasting money on vanity projects for their own glorification. York Labour is making the GLC pale by comparison (younger readers may have to look in a book for that one (find open library first), then reference 1980s Ken Livingston v. Thatcher).

powerwatt wrote:

bob the builder wrote:
There isn't one carrying a toolbox in one hand in the pouring rain and gusting wind with a shovel and a pick in the other. Just a load of smartly dressed persons with bags containing a sandwich on their way to their centrally heated offices in HQ, where they will be seated comfortably on their new chairs, at shiny desks, fielding complaints from the tax payer about why York has: no libraries, no bin collections, slippery pavements, litter, no care for the elderly, defective council housing, empty shops, wasteland sites, no new private housing being built, no industry, no bus station, low employment, homelessness, beggars, alcohol abuse and drug taking on the streets and all other manner of social ills caused by a Labour run council wasting money on vanity projects for their own glorification. York Labour is making the GLC pale by comparison (younger readers may have to look in a book for that one (find open library first), then reference 1980s Ken Livingston v. Thatcher).

I would love to see what the bus driver has to say as I turn up with a tool chest 1000m of cable, drill, fixings, mobile platform, ladders, etc...

I should make a video of the benefits of driving.

"There isn't one carrying a toolbox in one hand in the pouring rain and gusting wind with a shovel and a pick in the other." - btb

bob the builder wrote:
There isn't one carrying a toolbox in one hand in the pouring rain and gusting wind with a shovel and a pick in the other. Just a load of smartly dressed persons with bags containing a sandwich on their way to their centrally heated offices in HQ, where they will be seated comfortably on their new chairs, at shiny desks, fielding complaints from the tax payer about why York has: no libraries, no bin collections, slippery pavements, litter, no care for the elderly, defective council housing, empty shops, wasteland sites, no new private housing being built, no industry, no bus station, low employment, homelessness, beggars, alcohol abuse and drug taking on the streets and all other manner of social ills caused by a Labour run council wasting money on vanity projects for their own glorification. York Labour is making the GLC pale by comparison (younger readers may have to look in a book for that one (find open library first), then reference 1980s Ken Livingston v. Thatcher).

Paul Meoff wrote:
Can't see how producing a video is going to make much difference.

If a load of unhealthy fatties stuck in a traffic jam are too thick to understand that there are healthier and more effective ways to travel, they are not going to get it from a video.

The moron builder epitomises this with stupid comments suggesting this should be taken as nobody uses cars or vans. How such people earn a living is amazing, unless specialising in fitting two short planks pays well.

pedalling paul wrote:
What you silly billies seem unwilling to appreciate, is that those who choose to leave the car at home and cycle or take the bus, are helping drivers with vanloads of tools, by creating more road capacity.
We all understand and accept that some motor vehicle journeys are essential. The campaign seems to be sensibly targeting those who may have a choice.

pedalling paul wrote:
Fast lane or fat lane....the choice is yours!

In theory, the rods would be quieter for the rest of us.
However, York already has a big problem with cyclists who can't /won't obey traffic laws, and persuading many more to get on their bikes could make this much worse.
Assuming these are ex car drivers, they would be used to cyclists antics, and would probably ride responsibly for a while, but what if they degenerated to the standards of the rest?[

Paul Meoff wrote:
Can't see how producing a video is going to make much difference.

If a load of unhealthy fatties stuck in a traffic jam are too thick to understand that there are healthier and more effective ways to travel, they are not going to get it from a video.

The moron builder epitomises this with stupid comments suggesting this should be taken as nobody uses cars or vans. How such people earn a living is amazing, unless specialising in fitting two short planks pays well.

Buzz Light-year wrote:

In theory, the rods would be quieter for the rest of us.
However, York already has a big problem with cyclists who can't /won't obey traffic laws, and persuading many more to get on their bikes could make this much worse.
Assuming these are ex car drivers, they would be used to cyclists antics, and would probably ride responsibly for a while, but what if they degenerated to the standards of the rest?

You say ludicrous, but I really do think cyclists change their morals after a while in a City, and choose which rules of the road they prefer to abide/ignore.

There are obviously good and bad in both drivers and cyclists, but it's always cyclists I see on the pavements, cyclists I see jumping red lights, cyclists I see undertaking vehicles which are indicating to turn left, cyclists weaving between pedestrians on crossings.......

It's easier to do those on a bike, which may be part of the explanation.

I'm an ex Police class 1 driver, and IAM & ROSPA tested, so I do know a bit about roadcraft.

I find each cycle on the road requires more of my attention as a hazard than each pedestrian, motorbike, car, or bus. In my opinion, more cyclists = more danger.

Buzz Light-year wrote:

In theory, the rods would be quieter for the rest of us.
However, York already has a big problem with cyclists who can't /won't obey traffic laws, and persuading many more to get on their bikes could make this much worse.
Assuming these are ex car drivers, they would be used to cyclists antics, and would probably ride responsibly for a while, but what if they degenerated to the standards of the rest?

Corrected post - one above lost text in middle!

You say ludicrous, but I really do think cyclists change their morals after a while in a City, and choose which rules of the road they prefer to abide/ignore.

There are obviously good and bad in both drivers and cyclists, but it's always cyclists I see on the pavements, cyclists I see jumping red lights, cyclists I see undertaking vehicles which are indicating to turn left, cyclists weaving between pedestrians on crossings.......

It's easier to do those on a bike, which may be part of the explanation.

I'm an ex Police class 1 driver, and IAM & ROSPA tested, so I do know a bit about roadcraft.

I find each cycle on the road requires more of my attention as a hazard than each pedestrian, motorbike, car, or bus. In my opinion, more cyclists = more danger.

the original Homer wrote:

Buzz Light-year wrote:

In theory, the rods would be quieter for the rest of us.
However, York already has a big problem with cyclists who can't /won't obey traffic laws, and persuading many more to get on their bikes could make this much worse.
Assuming these are ex car drivers, they would be used to cyclists antics, and would probably ride responsibly for a while, but what if they degenerated to the standards of the rest?

Corrected post - one above lost text in middle!

You say ludicrous, but I really do think cyclists change their morals after a while in a City, and choose which rules of the road they prefer to abide/ignore.

There are obviously good and bad in both drivers and cyclists, but it's always cyclists I see on the pavements, cyclists I see jumping red lights, cyclists I see undertaking vehicles which are indicating to turn left, cyclists weaving between pedestrians on crossings.......

It's easier to do those on a bike, which may be part of the explanation.

I'm an ex Police class 1 driver, and IAM & ROSPA tested, so I do know a bit about roadcraft.

I find each cycle on the road requires more of my attention as a hazard than each pedestrian, motorbike, car, or bus. In my opinion, more cyclists = more danger.

Im always wary of people who make spurious claims of qualifications. I am a reddit user and if you made such claims on there the overwhelming response would always be.... prove it.
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I drive cycle and bus. But many times ive been on my bike and had someone overtake me me to immediately turn left without gauging my speed correctly. forcing me to take evasive action.
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I also had the pleasure last week of getting hit by a woman turning right onto Cambridge st (Holgate) She was just trying to quickly nip in.... of course she stopped to ask if i was ok (which luckily i was) but her pathetic excuse of im sorry i didnt see you (i wear a hi vis coat) wouldnt have been much consolation had i been spread across the road.
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I was on the bus last wednesday stuck on Hull road when it was gridlocked and snowing. A pickup driver couldnt be bothered to wait with the rest of the cars and drove along the path for about 150 yards until they turned left at the beeswing pub.
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I think that everyone just needs to be less selfish, a little less in a hurry and more considerate of other road users and it would be just fine. But for some that would just be too much like hard work.