£105k scheme for safer travel links around Clifton Moor

A £105,000 scheme to provide cycle links between shops, businesses and homes on the edge of York has been approved.

New cycle lanes and footpaths will be created in the Clifton Moor area, alongside zebra crossings, road markings and improved roundabout crossings, following a decision taken at a private session by Coun Dave Merrett, City of York Council’s cabinet member for transport, planning and sustainability.

Proposals to form a shared-use path for cyclists and pedestrians and a zebra crossing between the Wickes and Dunelm Mill stores at Clifton Moor are also being drawn up. The scheme will be paid for through the local sustainable transport fund, backed by £4.6 million of Government money.

The same meeting also approved new, more visible warning signs and extra road markings on Haxby Road, near the mini-roundabout at the junction of Link Road in New Earswick, following four accidents in the last three years.

Symbols warning drivers to look out for cyclists will also be installed and vegetation cut back to make street lighting more effective, with the scheme costing £8,000, £2,000 less than the council originally budgeted for.

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1:00pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Ichabod76 says...

following a decision taken at a private session by Coun Dave Merrett, City of York Council’s cabinet member for transport, planning and sustainability.

good too see democracy hard at work in York !
following a decision taken at a private session by Coun Dave Merrett, City of York Council’s cabinet member for transport, planning and sustainability. good too see democracy hard at work in York ! Ichabod76
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2:00pm Wed 13 Feb 13

YorkShame says...

Hopefully this will make the area a lot safer and reduce traffic - good news for everyone!
Hopefully this will make the area a lot safer and reduce traffic - good news for everyone! YorkShame
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2:58pm Wed 13 Feb 13

meme says...

I buy a huge ammount of kitchen units in flat pack form from Wickes and often carry them home on my bike!
As for bedding and curtains just dont ask; they are a nightmare to balance on the crossbars... especially muliple tog 8 duvets
I buy a huge ammount of kitchen units in flat pack form from Wickes and often carry them home on my bike! As for bedding and curtains just dont ask; they are a nightmare to balance on the crossbars... especially muliple tog 8 duvets meme
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6:01pm Wed 13 Feb 13

yorkiemum says...

YorkShame wrote:
Hopefully this will make the area a lot safer and reduce traffic - good news for everyone!
Not sure it's worth all the money tho I go to Clifton Moor regularly and don't see many people crossing between Wicks and Dunelm or many cyclists round there. It seems a lot of money when so many cuts have been made
[quote][p][bold]YorkShame[/bold] wrote: Hopefully this will make the area a lot safer and reduce traffic - good news for everyone![/p][/quote]Not sure it's worth all the money tho I go to Clifton Moor regularly and don't see many people crossing between Wicks and Dunelm or many cyclists round there. It seems a lot of money when so many cuts have been made yorkiemum
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7:52pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Paul Meoff says...

meme wrote:
I buy a huge ammount of kitchen units in flat pack form from Wickes and often carry them home on my bike!
As for bedding and curtains just dont ask; they are a nightmare to balance on the crossbars... especially muliple tog 8 duvets
Just a question of technique. I recently purchased a washing machine, 42" flat screen telly and an anvil and had no problems on the bike.
[quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: I buy a huge ammount of kitchen units in flat pack form from Wickes and often carry them home on my bike! As for bedding and curtains just dont ask; they are a nightmare to balance on the crossbars... especially muliple tog 8 duvets[/p][/quote]Just a question of technique. I recently purchased a washing machine, 42" flat screen telly and an anvil and had no problems on the bike. Paul Meoff
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7:53pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Back and Beyond says...

Two of the four accidents on Haxby Road have involved cyclists that were riding with no lights.
Two of the four accidents on Haxby Road have involved cyclists that were riding with no lights. Back and Beyond
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9:05pm Wed 13 Feb 13

again says...

yorkiemum wrote:
YorkShame wrote:
Hopefully this will make the area a lot safer and reduce traffic - good news for everyone!
Not sure it's worth all the money tho I go to Clifton Moor regularly and don't see many people crossing between Wicks and Dunelm or many cyclists round there. It seems a lot of money when so many cuts have been made
When it is safer then maybe you will see more cyclists and pedestrians. And it will be a pleasanter environment.
[quote][p][bold]yorkiemum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YorkShame[/bold] wrote: Hopefully this will make the area a lot safer and reduce traffic - good news for everyone![/p][/quote]Not sure it's worth all the money tho I go to Clifton Moor regularly and don't see many people crossing between Wicks and Dunelm or many cyclists round there. It seems a lot of money when so many cuts have been made[/p][/quote]When it is safer then maybe you will see more cyclists and pedestrians. And it will be a pleasanter environment. again
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10:19pm Wed 13 Feb 13

yorkiemum says...

again wrote:
yorkiemum wrote:
YorkShame wrote:
Hopefully this will make the area a lot safer and reduce traffic - good news for everyone!
Not sure it's worth all the money tho I go to Clifton Moor regularly and don't see many people crossing between Wicks and Dunelm or many cyclists round there. It seems a lot of money when so many cuts have been made
When it is safer then maybe you will see more cyclists and pedestrians. And it will be a pleasanter environment.
Bet you won't!!!
[quote][p][bold]again[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkiemum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YorkShame[/bold] wrote: Hopefully this will make the area a lot safer and reduce traffic - good news for everyone![/p][/quote]Not sure it's worth all the money tho I go to Clifton Moor regularly and don't see many people crossing between Wicks and Dunelm or many cyclists round there. It seems a lot of money when so many cuts have been made[/p][/quote]When it is safer then maybe you will see more cyclists and pedestrians. And it will be a pleasanter environment.[/p][/quote]Bet you won't!!! yorkiemum
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12:15am Thu 14 Feb 13

Magicman! says...

Back and Beyond wrote:
Two of the four accidents on Haxby Road have involved cyclists that were riding with no lights.
Please provide a link to the reports to back this claim up.
[quote][p][bold]Back and Beyond[/bold] wrote: Two of the four accidents on Haxby Road have involved cyclists that were riding with no lights.[/p][/quote]Please provide a link to the reports to back this claim up. Magicman!
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12:16am Thu 14 Feb 13

Magicman! says...

Paul Meoff wrote:
meme wrote:
I buy a huge ammount of kitchen units in flat pack form from Wickes and often carry them home on my bike!
As for bedding and curtains just dont ask; they are a nightmare to balance on the crossbars... especially muliple tog 8 duvets
Just a question of technique. I recently purchased a washing machine, 42" flat screen telly and an anvil and had no problems on the bike.
Funny... but you can actually carry home planks of wood on a bike if you walk back with it, and even pieces of plastic roof panels, or shed felt. The simple thing is you have to walk... of course that means doing something other than pushing down with your right foot to go faster....
[quote][p][bold]Paul Meoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: I buy a huge ammount of kitchen units in flat pack form from Wickes and often carry them home on my bike! As for bedding and curtains just dont ask; they are a nightmare to balance on the crossbars... especially muliple tog 8 duvets[/p][/quote]Just a question of technique. I recently purchased a washing machine, 42" flat screen telly and an anvil and had no problems on the bike.[/p][/quote]Funny... but you can actually carry home planks of wood on a bike if you walk back with it, and even pieces of plastic roof panels, or shed felt. The simple thing is you have to walk... of course that means doing something other than pushing down with your right foot to go faster.... Magicman!
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12:26am Thu 14 Feb 13

Magicman! says...

It is about time though that a link from the current Wickes store (though it is moving out on March 13) to Dunelm without having to walk to the main road and back again was made for pedestrians and cyclists, complete with a safer walking route from the recycling area to this link and up to the main road - and by this I mean a level route so wheelchairs can use it.

The same meeting also approved new, more visible warning signs and extra road markings on Haxby Road, near the mini-roundabout at the junction of Link Road in New Earswick, following four accidents in the last three years.

About time too... I was one of those accidents after a driver decided not to look properly to his right and pulled out into the roundabout when I was right in front of him.

It's funny just how often people don't look... I was coming into manchester's Hyde area having just cycled the Snake Pass from Sheffield, and there's a long downhill at one point - a car started to pull out when I was going at somewhere between 30-40mph with both my headlights on full beam and I was right in the middle of the lane.

Symbols warning drivers to look out for cyclists will also be installed and vegetation cut back to make street lighting more effective, with the scheme costing £8,000, £2,000 less than the council originally budgeted for.

If the scheme is costing £2000 less that previously budgeted for, why not ask Amey to fit up a couple of fluorescent street lights at the junction to improve the lighting? I bet there's a couple of spares left over from works in Acomb that could be put up, and it would offer better light than the current sodium lighting there.
It is about time though that a link from the current Wickes store (though it is moving out on March 13) to Dunelm without having to walk to the main road and back again was made for pedestrians and cyclists, complete with a safer walking route from the recycling area to this link and up to the main road - and by this I mean a level route so wheelchairs can use it. [quote] The same meeting also approved new, more visible warning signs and extra road markings on Haxby Road, near the mini-roundabout at the junction of Link Road in New Earswick, following four accidents in the last three years.[/quote] About time too... I was one of those accidents after a driver decided not to look properly to his right and pulled out into the roundabout when I was right in front of him. It's funny just how often people don't look... I was coming into manchester's Hyde area having just cycled the Snake Pass from Sheffield, and there's a long downhill at one point - a car started to pull out when I was going at somewhere between 30-40mph with both my headlights on full beam and I was right in the middle of the lane. [quote]Symbols warning drivers to look out for cyclists will also be installed and vegetation cut back to make street lighting more effective, with the scheme costing £8,000, £2,000 less than the council originally budgeted for. [/quote] If the scheme is costing £2000 less that previously budgeted for, why not ask Amey to fit up a couple of fluorescent street lights at the junction to improve the lighting? I bet there's a couple of spares left over from works in Acomb that could be put up, and it would offer better light than the current sodium lighting there. Magicman!
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1:21am Thu 14 Feb 13

sensationalism says...

Magicman! wrote: "It's funny just how often people don't look.."

It's appalling that drivers don't look actively, they only notice (passively) whatever happens to attract their attention.

Active scanning of near, mid, and far zones is what is taught in police driver training, and we should all be doing it all the time.

As a cyclist and car driver, I am interested in what makes bicycles more recognisable, and I believe it's better to have one of your front lamps in flashing mode for conspicuity.

They say it's more difficult to work out where flashing lights are (and I agree, from my own observations): but if you have two, one flashing, the other steady, the flashing one makes you recognisable as a bicycle because no other vehicle uses this.

However, car drivers often under-estimate the speed of bicycles, even after recognising them as such, and this may have been the fundamental problem here, that you were going down the hill faster than the car driver expected. (His fault of course).

While I'm on the subject, many cyclists think that a rear light and something feeble on the front is sufficient. They should consider this scenario:
You are proceeding up a main road, with the right of way, and cars are following you, some way behind, with dipped headlights. A car driver is intending to turn right across your lane. This car driver does not notice your feeble front light against the background of bright dipped headlights and turns across your path.
This is where you need a bright flashing LED front light to survive. As car lamps have got brighter, cycle lamps need to brighten up to match this. I recommend a Smart Luna 35, £18 off E-Bay, as a very portable battery lamp, with flashing and fixed modes, and it will run off just 2 rechargeable AAs.
Magicman! wrote: "It's funny just how often people don't look.." It's appalling that drivers don't look actively, they only notice (passively) whatever happens to attract their attention. Active scanning of near, mid, and far zones is what is taught in police driver training, and we should all be doing it all the time. As a cyclist and car driver, I am interested in what makes bicycles more recognisable, and I believe it's better to have one of your front lamps in flashing mode for conspicuity. They say it's more difficult to work out where flashing lights are (and I agree, from my own observations): but if you have two, one flashing, the other steady, the flashing one makes you recognisable as a bicycle because no other vehicle uses this. However, car drivers often under-estimate the speed of bicycles, even after recognising them as such, and this may have been the fundamental problem here, that you were going down the hill faster than the car driver expected. (His fault of course). While I'm on the subject, many cyclists think that a rear light and something feeble on the front is sufficient. They should consider this scenario: You are proceeding up a main road, with the right of way, and cars are following you, some way behind, with dipped headlights. A car driver is intending to turn right across your lane. This car driver does not notice your feeble front light against the background of bright dipped headlights and turns across your path. This is where you need a bright flashing LED front light to survive. As car lamps have got brighter, cycle lamps need to brighten up to match this. I recommend a Smart Luna 35, £18 off E-Bay, as a very portable battery lamp, with flashing and fixed modes, and it will run off just 2 rechargeable AAs. sensationalism
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12:19am Fri 15 Feb 13

Magicman! says...

The power of a front light is something I am currently working on, especially as it's coming close to the start of the season again and I'll be out on country lanes... I've bought a 5w LED retrofit lamp you normally use to replace a 50w halogen spotlight in the kitchen, and I'm trying to develop some form of power plant to drive it efficiently without a large stack of batteries.
The power of a front light is something I am currently working on, especially as it's coming close to the start of the season again and I'll be out on country lanes... I've bought a 5w LED retrofit lamp you normally use to replace a 50w halogen spotlight in the kitchen, and I'm trying to develop some form of power plant to drive it efficiently without a large stack of batteries. Magicman!
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11:32am Fri 15 Feb 13

sensationalism says...

Whilst it's interesting to experiment, I think, magicman, that your LED, in its raw form, may lack the benefits of a specialised lens and reflector design which places the light where you need it most.

Also, in an accident, unless you were also using an EC approved lamp, your compensation might be reduced.
Whilst it's interesting to experiment, I think, magicman, that your LED, in its raw form, may lack the benefits of a specialised lens and reflector design which places the light where you need it most. Also, in an accident, unless you were also using an EC approved lamp, your compensation might be reduced. sensationalism
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